Military Review

Mine "Highlander-K"

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In the twentieth of October, the exhibition “Interpolitech-2012” was held in Moscow. Almost four hundred companies from 23 countries of the world presented their products at this showroom. Also, for the first time in stories "Interpolitech", was opened a national pavilion. In it, samples of their products were presented by French companies. For four days, the Interpolitech-2012 Salon visited 17,5 thousand people; One third of this number was made up of leaders and officials of commercial organizations, military and security agencies of different countries. The total number of weapons, equipment and equipment models presented at the exhibition exceeds several thousand. Consider one of the new products presented at Interpolitech.

Mine "Highlander-K"


In the pavilion with motor vehicles, the “Gorets-K” armored car, created by the NPO “Special vehicles and communications” together with the “Technika” enterprise, was presented. In addition to its novelty, this armored car is interesting by a number of applied technical solutions, first of all, by increased mine protection. As a matter of fact, on the exhibition plate with explanatory information “Gorets-K” was designated as “explosion-proof armored special vehicle”. If you try to translate this definition into English, you will most likely get the abbreviation MRAP - Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (“Resistant to mines and protected from ambushes”). In recent years, the development of armored vehicles, able to protect their crew, passengers and cargo from improvised explosive devices, ambush shelling and other "elements" of a modern local war, has become the main direction in the development of light armored vehicles around the world. "Highlander-K" is a domestic version of this technique.

The four-wheel all-wheel drive chassis of the KAMAZ-43501 was taken as the basis for the “Gortsa-K”. The main element of the chassis is a KAMAZ-740.31-240 diesel engine with an 240 horsepower and a liter 10,85 displacement. The undercarriage is equipped with 14.75 / 80 R20 size wheels and an auto-pitch system. The suspension has leaf springs. With a curb weight in 11,6 tons "Gorets-K" can accelerate on the highway to 90 kilometers per hour, while the payload does not exceed one ton. This discrepancy in weight parameters is caused by the need to ensure an adequate level of protection: a considerable part of the chassis payload is “eaten up” by relatively heavy booking elements.



When creating the Gorets-K armored car, it was the level of protection that was given particular importance. Moreover, this factor had a great influence on a number of design features of the car. For example, the original KAMAZ-43501 truck is made according to a bonnetless scheme. "Highlander-K", in turn, to reduce the probability of hitting the crew, done differently. The crew cabin with the driver’s workplace is significantly shifted back from the standard cab position on the trucks of the Kama Automobile Plant. Actually the engine is covered with an armored hood. As a result of this arrangement, the explosion of a mine under the front wheel will damage the wheel itself, its suspension and possibly the engine. However, the blast wave and fragments will hook the cabin only tangentially.

The cab itself has anti-bullet protection that complies with 5 to the class of GOST R50963-69 standard and withstands hitting 7,62-mm non-armor-piercing bullets. Inside the cabin there are three seats for the driver and passengers. The main payload is transported in the rear body. It can be eight people with equipment or one ton of cargo. The body is an armored capsule "Highlander", for several years used by security forces. The passenger-and-freight unit is assembled with the same steel sheets as the cabin. As a result, it provides protection of the fifth level. Landing soldiers in the body and disembarking from it is carried out through three doors in the side and rear walls. To monitor the environment, the crew and troops have bulletproof glass of various sizes. Directly inside the windows are mounted lockable embrasures for firing from personal weapons. The level of protection of the bulletproof glasses was not called, but there is reason to believe that it meets the fifth or fourth class of the relevant standard.



Due to the length of the car, an armored body for passengers had to be placed over the rear wheels. To ensure the safety of people when a rear wheel hits a mine, as follows from the available photographic materials, the lower part of the Highlander module has a special V-shaped profile. Thus, it is possible to draw conclusions about the preferred placement of seats for soldiers: along the side walls of the body. In order not to lose the side volumes, "cut" the shape of the bottom, they are boxes for various loads of the appropriate size. The lids of these boxes are clearly visible in the photos. Also, the width of the passenger body is designed in such a way that the wheels and their wings are not directly under the body, but a little apart. Due to this, damage to one of the rear wheels will not lead to fatal consequences for people in the bodywork. According to the developer’s official data, the entire mine protection complex allows the Highlander-K to ensure the survival of the crew and the assault force in an explosion of up to two kilograms of TNT under the wheels or under the bottom.

NPO “Special equipment and communication” and software “Technika” see certain prospects in their project. Moreover, on the basis of the same universal armored module, another project of an armored vehicle with mine protection has already been created. The Gorets-KHNUMX is based on a three-axle Ural truck and carries exactly the same eight-seat armored module for soldiers or cargo. It is too early to talk about any prospects for both armored vehicles: according to the available data, they are being tested and not yet offered to potential customers. At the same time, generally favorable reviews, which received the armored module "Highlander", can have a positive impact on the further fate of both armored vehicles, created on its base.




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  1. bask
    bask 10 November 2012 08: 27
    +1
    ,, Highlander-K ,, the right direction in the development of the Russian MRAP. Because it is built on the nodes of the serial, Urals ,, That means 2a cheaper, Typhunov ,, ((with independent hanging (((.. And at times repairable, who knew the independent suspension know)))) Yes, and, I think thousands of purchases in the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Internal Affairs ... Here, cheapness, quality and security, and therefore massive purchases in the army, coincided !!!
    1. bask
      bask 10 November 2012 09: 00
      0
      PS I apologize at the base. .Kamaz ,, but the essence of the matter can not be changed on the chassis ,, Urals ,,
    2. olifus
      olifus 10 November 2012 09: 30
      0
      Quote: bask
      Highlander-K ,, the right direction in the development of the Russian MRAP

      only now they have completely forgotten about the design, it looks not so much to say the least.
      1. Kaa
        Kaa 10 November 2012 15: 53
        +3
        Quote: olifus
        only now they completely forgot about the design

        Yes ... radish with him, with that design, the main thing is that it does not work, as in the movie "Highlander" - "there should be only one ..." experimental sample.
        1. Rockets
          Rockets 10 November 2012 18: 17
          +2
          Quote: Kaa
          "there should be only one ..." experimental sample.


          Yes, it doesn’t



          Kamaz "Typhoons"





          [Center]


          there is something to see
          http://model16.ru/avanproekty.html
        2. rumpeljschtizhen
          rumpeljschtizhen 11 November 2012 16: 15
          0
          I do not agree ........... design is not only the appearance
          this is primarily ergonomics. (and the car looks wretched)
          even that looks more interesting
          1. bask
            bask 11 November 2012 17: 05
            0
            There is no, wretched, Classic, genre .Casspir MK2C 4 / 4,10 tons. Two people .. crew + 12 fighters. 4 class for mine protection STANAG ,, With a real detonation of 12 kg in tr.ek holds. There is a modification for India, 6/6 on the reinforced chassis 3 axle ,, Ural ,,,
          2. borisst64
            borisst64 12 November 2012 09: 18
            0
            The center of gravity is sooooo high. This "tumbler" is only for the city.
      2. Konrad
        Konrad 10 November 2012 17: 48
        -1
        Quote: olifus
        just forgot about the design, it looks to put it mildly not very

        As if they were riveting in a collective farm workshop! The "filling" is probably the same too!
        1. Dima
          Dima 11 November 2012 21: 39
          0
          but it’s as if they were going to ride girls on it ... In the field itself! Who was at the training ground in the fall that will understand!
      3. denn
        denn 11 November 2012 14: 03
        -3
        War and design are incompatible things.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 11 November 2012 14: 18
          +4
          Who told you such nonsense? Industrial design, you say, a thing unnecessary?
          1. bask
            bask 11 November 2012 14: 52
            0
            Pimpled. Each new development of armored vehicles begins with its design But depending on what you put in this word ... I expressed my opinion, read below ...
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 11 November 2012 15: 30
              +4
              Beauty is born of rationality. And in military affairs aesthetics are possible. Better to do good and nice looking than bullshit and ugly. This instance is from the second.

              Functionality - if it is normally implemented - most often the eye is pleasant
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 11 November 2012 15: 35
                +1
                Hi Zhen, here I agree 100%
              2. bask
                bask 11 November 2012 18: 24
                0
                Pupyrchaty .Functionality, means the elaboration of the design and internal design. Here's what to do on Goretz-K, still work and work (((bring to mind)) a crude model .. What immediately catches your eye. 1.Cabin driver’s cabin, all clutch levers and brakes on the floor of the car. Explosion of the carrier’s legs in .......... All levers of leverage must be moved to the steering wheel. Feet and chair should be attached to the rear wall of the cab. Feet on special bearings without contact with the floor. .and so on ... and so on ... It’s out of these “trifles” that the product’s safety is formed! And the idea has been verified by world practice. On components and assemblies, mass-produced cars ...
                1. kostella85
                  kostella85 21 January 2013 15: 19
                  0
                  All instruments and controls (except for the gearshift lever) are in the same place as in the KAMAZ, in my opinion there is the entire cabin from KAMAZ, only it is hung with armor plates. But the gear knob in the cabover version is much more conveniently located. And in my opinion, the bonnet line-up eats up more "useful" volume, but does not add much efficiency (safety meter).
    3. APASUS
      APASUS 10 November 2012 23: 24
      0
      Quote: bask
      . Here coincided cheapness, quality and security

      It's time to get out of the illusions! Quality and Security as opposed to cheapness - these are things of a different order, cheapness can be attributed if a soldier was put on ZIL - 130 !!!
      Modern models of technology cannot be cheap - a priori !!
      1. bask
        bask 11 November 2012 14: 19
        +3
        APASUS, denn. The military design is, first of all. The rational arrangement of the product and its functionality, maintainability, not “beauty”, Strengthening the ZIL 130 under the tonnage of 15 tons + corresponding MTO., Armored capsule, connected to the cab. Protection is not lower (for mine and bulletproof) 3-4 classes according to STANAG. And that's all on the nodes of a production car. Due to this, it’s also cheap. But not at the expense of security, armored capsules !!!
        1. Per se.
          Per se. 11 November 2012 16: 00
          +1
          Beauty is not always functional, apart from a little distraction - women's stiletto heels, but what is functional is usually aesthetically pleasing and beautiful, like a predatory shark silhouette, the grace of a running cheetah or a soaring eagle in nature. Personally, I am impressed by the opinion of Bumpy, but bask, speaking of military design, in my opinion, is more right. Rationalism and functionality are the main thing. There are also "warthogs", not beautiful, but very effective, perhaps a similar armored car from this category.
        2. APASUS
          APASUS 11 November 2012 17: 42
          -1
          Quote: bask
          APASUS, denn. The military design is, first of all. The rational arrangement of the product and its functionality, maintainability, and not, beauty ,,, Strengthening the chassis ZIL 130 under the tonnage of 15 tons + corresponding MTO

          Are you serious?
          What do you want to convince me of? in that the running ZIL -130 after modernization can meet modern requirements, how is it?
          Equipment created in the last century for completely different purposes, can meet modern requirements for military equipment?
          Maybe we will take earlier samples, because the design is not important .............. according to your statements ........... ???
          1. bask
            bask 11 November 2012 17: 56
            0
            APARUS. You have the technology of the century before last in the picture. Above, I wrote a comment about the Casspir MK2C, 20 years since the release. Wheelbase, from German ,, Unimoga ,, 64 years of release. Do you want to say that this is not a modern MPC ???? Now about the ZIL-130 chassis. How is it fundamentally different from the 3-axle ,, Ural ,, or ,, Kamaz ,, (the worse). And you suggested it, put on a ZIL-130. I’m satisfied with the chassis from ,, Kamaz, ..
            1. APASUS
              APASUS 11 November 2012 19: 37
              0
              Quote: bask
              ? Now about the ZIL-130 chassis. How is it fundamentally different from the 3-axle Ural, or Kamaz, (the worse). And you suggested that you land on the ZIL-130. I’m satisfied with the chassis from, Kamaz, ..

              I think that in addition to cheapness, the chassis from KamAZ or Zil has no more pluses!
              The chassis of an onboard Zil or Kamaz and a modern MRAP in the explosion of an anti-tank mine should experience completely different loads - they have completely different tasks!
              I believe that the chassis for modern MRI models should be produced on purpose, and not taken from civilian equipment, for the sake of low cost products!
              1. bask
                bask 11 November 2012 21: 16
                +1
                APARUS The whole history of the creation of the MDI in South Rhodesia and South Africa in the 70s, followed by the use of the USA and NATO station in Iraq and Afghanistan precisely on the nodes of serial machines. Independent suspension began to be used only with the construction in 34 BAE Systems RG 35 and 2010. so all the MCI equipment on the bridges. One Australian ,, Bushmaster ,, what is it ... Once again. Only with the modernization (improvement of the chassis), on a commercially available chassis. The chassis should only provide the necessary mobility and patency. Protection is provided by an armored capsule !!! Why make an expensive, independent suspension ??? And not yet repairable in the field. the car. And the loads, in the explosion., everyone has the same wheels to the sides ... And the bigger the charge, the farther the wheels !!! It’s important that the armored capsule withstands the explosion ... !!! Protection of the crew and the landing, this is the main task of the MPI ...
                1. APASUS
                  APASUS 12 November 2012 19: 29
                  0
                  Quote: bask
                  APARUS The whole history of the creation of the MDI in South Rhodesia and South Africa in the 70s, followed by the use of the USA and NATO station in Iraq and Afghanistan precisely on the nodes of serial machines

                  You’re just like my brother! Praises the Chinese auto industry, and bought a Mercedes!
                2. kostella85
                  kostella85 21 January 2013 15: 27
                  0
                  By the way, I didn’t hear about MRAP on the basis of the TATRA (tubular frame, independent suspension), probably an interesting ball would have been!
  2. PLO
    PLO 10 November 2012 10: 01
    +2
    yeah freak
    Colchis is back)
    1. bask
      bask 10 November 2012 11: 13
      +2
      olp It is not on bl .... and ride, and water the militants. in the mountains .. The only minus in this design. The cabin is separated from the armored capsule. During the battle, contact with the driver should be direct. Therefore, the armored capsule with the cockpit ,, by bus ,,, and so it’s all gut ..
      1. PLO
        PLO 10 November 2012 12: 44
        +7
        no need to juggle, there are cars no worse, which at the same time do not look like a toilet on wheels


        SPM-3 Bear


        SBA Bulat


        here by the way KAMAZ cars on OCD Typhoon
        http://bmpd.livejournal.com/379872.html


        there are a lot of similar cars lately
        1. bask
          bask 10 November 2012 14: 20
          +1
          Olp It all comes down to the price of the issue. ,, Typhoons ,, are even prettier. But they, like SMP-3, Bear, have independent suspension. SBA, Damascus steel, are also on the nodes of serial Kamaz. I am not a fan of a specific MPI, , Highlander-K..A concept of the construction of Russian MCI on the components and assemblies of serial vehicles. With an armored capsule and a driver’s cabin .. This again, at times reduces the cost of armored vehicles without reducing its security. And that means you can wait for mass deliveries to the troops. First turn to S.Kavkaz ...
          1. tracer
            tracer 11 November 2012 05: 06
            0
            Oh yeah .... Development is what you need .... Don't you think if you can draw "Fascist Crosses" and shoot in films about the war for a long time .... I don't want to offend the designers ..
        2. RUS-36
          RUS-36 10 November 2012 16: 01
          0
          In our department there was a "Shot" similar to the "Typhoon" only 4-wheeled .... The quality of manufacture is rather weak for 3- and it heats up constantly ...
        3. Lieutenant colonel
          Lieutenant colonel 12 November 2012 06: 40
          0
          The last photo on the BTR-157 is similar, isn't it?
      2. tracer
        tracer 11 November 2012 05: 01
        +1
        "Militants are wet" not in such machines .... Don't you think so? This is not a good troop transport vehicle.
        1. Eric
          Eric 11 November 2012 16: 03
          +1
          Moreover, there are chairs that do not absorb shock!
    2. Fire
      Fire 10 November 2012 20: 35
      +2
      From one species only, all enemies are settled wink
      1. grizzlir
        grizzlir 11 November 2012 16: 12
        -1
        Quote: Fire
        From one species only, all enemies are settled

        Piss. With a laugh.
  3. Slevinst
    Slevinst 10 November 2012 10: 33
    +1
    Quote: olifus
    only now they have completely forgotten about the design, it looks not so much to say the least.

    Design and military equipment are not compatible, if the goal is to protect people and make cheaper products, what kind of design can we talk about?
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 10 November 2012 14: 37
      +1
      Oh oh Honestly what? But do not tell me why?
    2. Konrad
      Konrad 10 November 2012 17: 53
      -2
      Quote: Slevinst
      Design and military equipment are not compatible

      This is you purely "raseyski"!
      "Beautiful planes and fly beautifully" - it will be better!
    3. Lieutenant colonel
      Lieutenant colonel 12 November 2012 06: 53
      0
      You can put a heavily armored square on the wheels or a circle is better, also heavily armored - cheap, not beautiful, but it can protect people.))))) They made fun - it's just a prankster. And you, too, are not beautiful but functional things you buy?
  4. Gromila78
    Gromila78 10 November 2012 10: 50
    +2
    Some freak. 2 kg of TNT is very small. The same Iveka can withstand 6 kg. It seems to me that in such BAs the cabin and the cargo compartment should be connected for the crew to communicate with the landing party. Navigation and communications are also needed. In general, the car looks wretched.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 10 November 2012 14: 37
      +1
      Another question is whether he passed the tests for these two kilos.
      1. Lieutenant colonel
        Lieutenant colonel 12 November 2012 07: 01
        +1
        For example, in 2004, the armored vehicle was blown up at 2x155 millimeters. There were 6 people in the back, the rear axle and two cantus (the lungs) were torn off. And the rest of their way got to the VC. So the bottom of the body was flat and with a steel plate, metal walls with loopholes, steel top with hatches, the cabin was more armored with hinged panels with armored glass. Yes - after the explosion, the rear doors jammed completely, they cut it at the base. And so there were great cars (maybe now they are used - I don’t know anymore), there wasn’t enough Conder)))))))
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 12 November 2012 10: 49
          0
          In the pictures from there flicker on a regular basis. We were dissecting similar cars in Israel in the early 2000s, only on a different base. There were no doors, there was such a mini maze - the entrance was open, but covered with panels. However, it is still better if specialized normal cars appear, they are in development. Because infa about the bombings is regular.
  5. ICT
    ICT 10 November 2012 11: 15
    +1
    I'm still confused by the landing chairs (it’s painfully flimsy
  6. Joker
    Joker 10 November 2012 11: 34
    +3
    As my opinion, Typhoon is much better. But the Highlander, of course, in the conditions of highlands wins due to his sloping hood, the driver’s view is very good.
  7. loft79
    loft79 10 November 2012 11: 38
    +5
    Design, dog with him. No design protects the soldiers.
    But why is camouflage inside !? There should be a neutral, non-irritating color. Sitting, and in front of you there are 4 fighters in camouflage, against the background of camouflage, in the movement of mlyn. Won't become bad?
    1. Mikhado
      Mikhado 10 November 2012 13: 55
      0
      I thought about the same, did not have time to write, too clever with the "design" of the interior.
      In general, the design is damp, even if it is cheaper. There are obviously grandmothers, let everything be of the highest class, it is better to save people. I am in this weight class for the "bear".
      Yes, those fighters who will sit in the stern of the capsule will be rocking more - this is not a bus for asphalt, it doesn’t care there.
      In short, in the pursuit of originality and cheapness, obvious rubbish was blinded, competitors look more advantageous.
    2. PLO
      PLO 10 November 2012 14: 02
      +1
      But why is camouflage inside !?

      this is actually a global trend, so that the car would not be visible with open doors and through the windows
      here by the way the tiger

      1. Pimply
        Pimply 10 November 2012 14: 38
        0
        This is not a global trend. This is a Russian fuck, I'm sorry
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 10 November 2012 14: 43
          -1
          Eugene, given your birthday, this time I will not put a warning, but the next time just two for the mat !!!
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 10 November 2012 15: 09
            0
            To the one who put a minus, I returned it to you hi
          2. Armata
            Armata 10 November 2012 21: 45
            +4
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            I’m considering your birthday, I won’t put a warning this time, but the next time two at once!
            Xt today, all Zhenya was born. It's my birthday too. laughing
            1. bask
              bask 11 November 2012 10: 46
              0
              Mechanic Eugene, though late, but congratulations. Health, health, and health again !!!!
            2. Pimply
              Pimply 11 November 2012 14: 20
              +1
              My congratulations 8)))
          3. Pimply
            Pimply 11 November 2012 14: 20
            +1
            Got it, I'm silent 8)
      2. loft79
        loft79 10 November 2012 17: 37
        0
        Quote: olp
        this is actually a global trend, so that the car would not be visible with open doors and through the windows


        If the enemy can notice through the glass (relatively small, light refraction, darkening of the capsule) and the door (open for a short time), then from this distance the mrap itself should be easily recognized. IMHO.
      3. viktor_ui
        viktor_ui 12 November 2012 03: 27
        +1
        I think that this is not just an internal camouflage, but an anti-splinter lining (15% throws up defense wink ) ...
      4. Lieutenant colonel
        Lieutenant colonel 12 November 2012 07: 12
        0
        Somehow your assumption sounds like something - how is it that the car will not be visible with the doors open and through the windows? In order to see something through a window (glass), it is necessary to approach a distance of 10-15 meters, then you will just see the window (glass) and you will see that it is not easier to cover the glass with plates (something like this was done on communication and special machines - the glasses were closed with steel , thin plates to avoid glare when the car is in the caponier, and so the windows were covered with foliage vectors). And with the door open - you also need to come close enough to see something (in this case not to see) - and there is no difference - what color is inside the car. Why aren't the seats camouflaged? and Koraba are thrilled? Rather, this is not a global trend - but our dissonant crap. In general, there are big questions - why so much combustible material in the cabin? Not enough ammunition? And just noticed - why the doors are not camouflaged?
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 12 November 2012 10: 50
          0
          And they rubbed me for dope 8)))
    3. admirer
      admirer 11 November 2012 21: 44
      +2
      I think that no blood was visible.
  8. Safa7.62
    Safa7.62 10 November 2012 12: 21
    -1
    in the standard there will be bare iron) laughing
  9. Artillerist
    Artillerist 10 November 2012 12: 49
    0
    This instance can already be thrown in the trash. Those Bears, Typhoons are not an example better ....
  10. Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 10 November 2012 13: 58
    +1
    Such armored vehicles will probably be better than expensive import (semi) armored personnel carriers such as the newfangled and popular "Boxers" and "Strikers" ...
    A real army armored personnel carrier is simply obliged to sail, that is, to swim across a water barrier. This is a priori and not discussed ...
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 10 November 2012 14: 39
      +2
      What specifically is better - tell? Especially when you consider that we are talking about machines of another class?
  11. koosss
    koosss 10 November 2012 14: 05
    +3
    immediately see domestic ..
  12. sedoj
    sedoj 10 November 2012 17: 00
    +1
    "There are three seats for the driver and passengers inside the cab."

    Something I did not see a place for the second passenger.
  13. Pixel
    Pixel 10 November 2012 17: 44
    +2
    olifusWhat the hell does it look like? Yes, let it be akin to a shed. Outwardly, I will have a poher, the main thing is that he pull me out of the shelling.
    1. tracer
      tracer 11 November 2012 05: 11
      -1
      From under the shelling dear, my friend, this car will not get you out in any way ... In a clash, this is such a sweet target ... Wow ... So I'm sorry ... it won't help you in any way ... Because it is not intended for these goals ..... and "magician in the blue helicopter" for you, too, can hardly fly .... most likely come with Beter nigger planet carrier and swearing Prapor .....
  14. tracer
    tracer 10 November 2012 18: 34
    0
    He had immediate experience in the construction of such cars on the basis of, of course, serial cars. The plant is really located in Canada, not far from Toronto .. The creator and owner of this plant is our former compatriot, as well as 90 percent of the workers of this plant, including the Designers. Having started its business in Toronto, the company has developed in other countries. Employees (mostly ours from Toronto) went to Russian factories to create armored Kamaz trucks .... (Their wives protested strongly, they say girls there ... more competitive)))))) Too lazy to insert pictures ... Here is the link. ..Look at what our Russian emigrants are doing far from their homeland ... Look at what potential has been lost over the years of "reforms" ... How many talented people have left .... And then we are trying to somehow help their homeland, even though from abroad, now, by development and experience .... HERE IS THE LINK ...
    http://www.armored-cars.com/index.php

    Here's another video of Russian-made Canadian cars
    Interview Gene. Director German Gutorov.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7M1iKIXwcKo&feature=plcp

    Hidden armored vehicles have a very limited segment of application and, accordingly, the market ... The main thing is not to show the enemy "Armor" if the enemy sees that the car is protected, he will use a more effective attack weapon .. Therefore, any armored vehicles based on serial SUVs or limousines are no different from the original .. (if there is such a task) even the ground clearance will be adjusted to the original .. There are many samples on the site link.

    Look at the "Typhoon" Streytovsky ..... handsome ..... And "Highlander." ..... I.but from the word Woe ... From even a small explosion it will fly into two parts ..... " MOUNTAIN "and not" Highlander "
    1. REZMovec
      REZMovec 11 November 2012 15: 42
      0
      I looked at the links - yes, the devices are not bad, BUT! ... With the design it’s also difficult for you, no offense. And anyway - the design is not needed in battle. The main thing is that the fighters survive. IMHO
  15. Karmin
    Karmin 10 November 2012 19: 59
    +1
    As for the design, the first samples of the Bear were ugly enough.
  16. KRAVEN333
    KRAVEN333 10 November 2012 21: 36
    0
    Kapets, fashionistas, let him throw you in a war, you will be overjoyed when such a machine arrives and pulls you out from under the fire.
    1. tracer
      tracer 11 November 2012 05: 14
      0
      And who, dear, told you that we were not in the war? Namely because they were and were awarded by Boris E. I have the right to you to be a little rude. This machine will be burned on the way ....
  17. zadorin1974
    zadorin1974 10 November 2012 22: 40
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    line-up - in my opinion, a complete ass - separation of modules cannot give anything good — the commander in the cockpit compartment in the module — if something is bad or undermined — the connection is lost and what's next? the human factor? - who knows the landmine, he knows - he jumped in front of him - the rear axle and the guys in the back take off - the column runs at speed on the stage - and God is not a shang but a lead guy is not a sucker - for me it's not my car, but at the expense of the salon, the main thing is that there was where to put the KB and PM and so that it does not interfere and does not fly on the go.
    1. tracer
      tracer 11 November 2012 05: 17
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      That's right ..... that's the way it is ... Unsuccessful design ... Of course they won't ask us ... But maybe at least someone will read and change at least something in this "wonderful" technique.
  18. revnagan
    revnagan 10 November 2012 23: 46
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    Forgive the ignoramus, but what will happen to this unit if you cut from it 7,62 with black-red or black marking?
  19. tracer
    tracer 11 November 2012 04: 42
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    Nothing will happen to him .. But this is in theory ... If it is protected by the B6 + class (this is almost the highest in a similar technique), then the dent will remain no more .. But if With something bigger ...... For example with 50BMG or 338 Lapua, it’s just for the take-off ... But he doesn’t need it ... This is not a combat contact machine, but a safe transportation of soldiers .... And it DOESN'T EVEN BE AN APC and even more so not a TANK.

    And they called the car a mountaineer probably because of (sorry if I hurt anyone) a characteristic long nose .... How else did they not sew a "cover cap" for him ..
    1. revnagan
      revnagan 11 November 2012 12: 55
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      Quote: tracer
      Nothing will happen to him .. But this is in theory ... If it is protected by class B6 +
      "The cabin itself has bulletproof protection corresponding to the 5th class of the GOST R50963-69 standard and can withstand hitting 7,62 mm non-armor-piercing bullets. ?????? The cargo-passenger unit is assembled and the same steel sheets as the cabin. As a consequence, it provides level XNUMX protection. "
      And surely nothing will happen to him?
  20. wasjasibirjac
    wasjasibirjac 11 November 2012 07: 43
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    the security of this unit is clearly weak, because 2 kg TNT - a small charge, even the Indians on the basis of the Urals sbatsali MPAP with protection up to 12 kg. 9po TTX, as well as HZ) therefore such a weak MPC is practically not suitable for protection - the explosive charge is small, secondly - protection only from 7,62 is not armor-piercing - and the militants have no armor-piercing ammunition, they shot everything. therefore, at least protection against armor-piercing ammunition of 7,62, and better from 12,7 mm, is necessary. otherwise 1 machine gunner and khan to the entire crew. And let them better remove the cheapness and not boast of it - a trained fighter is expensive
  21. datur
    datur 11 November 2012 12: 41
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    piece of iron has yes right to be ---
  22. Andreitas
    Andreitas 12 November 2012 09: 08
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    Finishing armored capsules in camouflage color is generally nonsense. Estimate the fighters are dressed in camouflage uniforms, their ammunition also has a camouflage color. Now estimate, the car is being blown up by a mine, everything is flying around the cabin. And to find all this on the camouflage background of the cabin, and even if it is smoky, in the heat of battle it will not be so simple.
    In the world, normal manufacturers of armored vehicles are painting the crew compartment in light colors. To improve visibility, in low light conditions inside such a technique, as well as to increase the space, since light color visually increases the space.
    So the camouflage trim of this armored car looks beautiful only at exhibitions.
  23. Dikremnij
    Dikremnij 22 November 2012 12: 21
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    An interesting instance, only why is the armor at right angles, and not at an angle?
  24. uhjpysq
    uhjpysq 11 December 2012 18: 55
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    you can immediately see x ... nya full, done on fuck.