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Is Turkey bluffing or hostage to the West?

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The embarrassing uncertainty about the situation in Syria confronts not only Syria itself, in which the real humanitarian catastrophe has been observed for 19 months, but also the nearest Syrian neighbors. One of these neighbors is Turkey.

Is Turkey bluffing or hostage to the West?


Initially, official Ankara was entirely based on the western position with respect to the Syrian state, headed by President Bashar Assad. The western position itself, as is well known, boils down to the need for Assad’s indispensable resignation, no matter what the price for Syria and the entire Middle East is to turn out. And at the first stage of the Syrian campaign, which today is exposed exclusively in the role of civil war, it seemed that everything would follow the same scenario as in Libya. By all indications, the Western coalition was supposed to deliver an “inevitable democratic” blow to Syria, and then the motley crowd, whose representatives persistently call themselves oppositionists, had to do with Asad about what the same crowd did to Colonel Gaddafi last year. However, the Western scenario regarding Syria has failed. The reason for the failure can be considered a tough position, which Russia and China have taken on this difficult issue. If Moscow and Beijing, in fact, have decided to close their eyes to the beginning of the war in Libya, then with Syria nobody thinks to close these eyes even for a minute. After all, the so-called “Friends of Syria” are just waiting for Russia to distract for a while from the Syrian problem and allow the creation of the next “bulwark of democracy” in the Middle East to begin.

So, at the initial stage of the anti-Assad campaign, Turkey decided to go along the uniquely western vector. The Turkish authorities tried to use every opportunity to stab Syria, trying to free the presidency with all the available forces. Foreign media reported on the fact that, through Turkey’s territory, Syria is imported weapon for the Syrian militants, representatives of Western special services penetrate Syria through Turkey. In addition, publications often appeared that specifically the Turkish side is a provocateur in terms of the so-called border conflict, during which allegedly the Syrian military fire on the territory of the neighboring state with artillery guns.

For obvious reasons, official Ankara tried to reject all accusations against itself, continuing to insist that the Syrian issue should be resolved as quickly as possible and not at all by diplomatic means. However, while Prime Minister Erdogan severely criticized the Syrian president, the Syrian problem, month by month, gradually turned into a Turkish problem. The fact is that literally every day the Syrian-Turkish border is crossed by hundreds and thousands of refugees settling in the south-eastern provinces of Turkey (Southeast Anatolian region). To date, there are about 100 thousands of Syrian refugees in Turkish territory, who can already be called settled. About 50, thousands of Syrians use the territory of the Turkish state as a transit area for migration towards the European Union.

Naturally, this number of refugees in the direction of Turkey and further - of Western Europe - will multiply multiply if Syria starts a full-scale war with the open participation of foreign states. Does Turkey need “happiness”? The answer is obvious ...

It was this fact that somewhat brought the Turkish leadership to a sense, which quite unexpectedly decided to go a little different way in terms of solving the Syrian problem.

In particular, a few days ago several Turkish publications came out with the information that Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan decided to use several unexpected contacts for the settlement of the Syrian conflict, namely contacts with Iran.

The Turkish newspaper Hurriyet, in particular, reports that during a visit to the next forum of the Economic Cooperation Organization in Baku, Erdogan held a personal meeting with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Presumably, at this meeting we could talk about the assistance from Iran in terms of influence on Assad. This assumption by Turkish journalists is indirectly confirmed by the fact that after the meeting between Erdogan and Ahmadinejad, both sides of the Syrian conflict went on to declare a truce during the celebration of the holy for all Muslims holiday Eid al-Adha (Kurban-bairam). At the same time, many initially wondered who initiated this truce, and how they managed to bring the parties to it. It is likely that the Iranian diplomats persuaded Assad’s side, and the Turkish side was convinced by the “opposition”. Anyway, this fact alone proves the possibility of holding peace talks between the parties to the Syrian conflict. Another thing is that such negotiations are not at all profitable for the main ideologues of the Syrian conflict, who are far from being in Syria itself and not at all in Iran and not in Turkey ...

Understanding that the Turkish initiative, which was manifested at the meeting of Erdogan with Ahmadinejad, strikes at the integrity of the anti-Assad alliance, the Western Friends of Syria decided to quickly return Ankara to the “right direction”. Reuters reported that the Turkish side purchased and has already allegedly built Patriot systems along the border with Syria to deliver strikes. Such information had the effect of a bombshell both in Syria and in Turkey itself. The Turkish public had a number of questions to their authorities in connection with the publication of the Western news agency.

The political elite of Turkey had to lower the degree of tension. “The deaf will not hear, he thinks so,” Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan responded to the Reuters publication, stressing that Ankara does not think not only to buy Patriot systems, but even more so to expose them “fan” near the border with Syria. The same position of Turkey was confirmed by the Turkish President Abdullah Gul, whose opinion does not often coincide with the position of Erdogan. This time it coincided, and Gul noted that the issue of the war between Turkey and Syria is not worth it. At the same time, the Turkish president added that Damascus should not commit rash actions either.

Based on the stated positions of the highest political officials in Turkey, it turns out that either the Turkish leaders lead everyone by the nose, or the Western news agencies sow misinformation. In this case, it’s hard to say where the truth is, because there are no alternative confirmations or refutations of the deployment of Patriot complexes on the Turkish-Syrian border, and it’s also problematic to trust Turkish politicians solely on words, especially after the Moscow-Damascus forced landing incident and weak excuses about this turkish side.

If we take the side of Ankara, it turns out that the West deliberately pushes Ankara into a military conflict. And it would be an excellent option for the United States: they say, Syrian troops attacked the territory of Turkey (a NATO member), which means that it is time to "protect" a friendly state from "Assad's inclinations." And after all, not everyone in the West is so adequate that they understand: Assad would now have to figure it out inside his country, and therefore, excuse me, to go to Turkey is a complete suicide. And if not all of this among the “democratic brethren” is understood, then the reason for the invasion is more than appropriate.

Whether Erdogan himself understands this is a difficult question. In any case, if Ankara wants to go for a rapprochement of positions with respect to Syria, for example, with Russia or Iran, then we can expect that the West will not leave it that way. Whether Turkey wants to or not, it may well be used as the reason for the start of the operation against the Syrian state, because if the West decides that Assad "attacked" Turkey, then no decisions of the Security Council can help to stop the war. And if so, then the main word today is Turkey itself. If she is ready to meet hundreds of thousands of refugees from Syria and sow new chaos in the Middle East, then everything is clear with Erdogan. If Erdogan has the political will, then it’s time to look for other ways to solve the problem.
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  1. pogis
    pogis 10 November 2012 08: 14
    +18
    Erdogan or a fool or a traitor! The Kurds have already created their own state in Iraq. Does he want the same in Syria? If this happens, then the Kurds will only have to unite with the Turkish enclave with all the consequences .....
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 10 November 2012 08: 27
      +26
      Quote: pogis
      Erdogan or a fool or a traitor!

      No, it’s just that Erdogan turned out to be a hostage to his own stupidity and ambitions. An attempt to restore the Ottoman Empire will lead to the opposite. No one needs another major geopolitical player today.
      1. sergo0000
        sergo0000 10 November 2012 09: 44
        +10
        Alexander Romanov,
        I support Sasha! He has no options now. As the owner says, he will sing. Although he falsetto even with bass. In order to build something like the Ottoman Empire, one must have eggs! But he doesn’t have them! wink
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 10 November 2012 10: 49
          0
          Quote: sergo0000
          To build something like the Ottoman Empire,

          There is no such desire and opportunity !!
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 10 November 2012 14: 43
            +4
            There is, Alibek, there is. Both.
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 10 November 2012 15: 04
              +1
              Quote: Pimply
              There is, Alibek, there is. Both

              Eugene will try to explain your opinion !!
              I agree that all former empires or rather part of the population of these empires are proud of their past and dream of such a future!
              But in the case of modern Turkey, they are not ready for this now and understand this very well !!
              Mainly engaged in cultural expansion, in many countries at the expense of the state they open cultural centers and educational institutions, promoting their achievements !!
              Almost everywhere, these schools are the best !!
              Our students at these lyceums are very educated and are constantly winning international competitions! Studying there is now considered prestigious !! As far as I know, in other countries where there are such lyceums the same situation !!
              1. 11Goor11
                11Goor11 10 November 2012 15: 32
                +5
                Mainly engaged in cultural expansion, in many countries at the expense of the state they open cultural centers and educational institutions, promoting their achievements !!

                Here are just the graduates of these Turkish, Qatari madrassas who have the beliefs of the Wahhabis.
                Why so? Does it happen by accident?
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 10 November 2012 15: 53
                  0
                  Quote: 11Goor11
                  Here are just the graduates of these Turkish, Qatari madrassas who have the beliefs of the Wahhabis.
                  Why so? Does it happen by accident?

                  Dear Andrew!
                  You are deeply mistaken in Turkish lyceums there is no Wahhabism and even theological studies!
                  Very modern secular education !!
                  There are religious schools in Turkey called Imam Khatibs, but they also study traditional Islam and they do not propagate such schools abroad !!
                2. aksakal
                  aksakal 10 November 2012 19: 03
                  +6
                  Quote: 11Goor11
                  Here are just the graduates of these Turkish, Qatari madrassas who have the beliefs of the Wahhabis.

                  - how many graduates of madrasah I observe in Kazakhstan, from Turkish madrassas they are more moderate. For some reason, Wahhabis are obtained precisely after the madrasah of Saudi Arabia, and there is such a dense and extreme fanaticism, seasoned with aggression, that it’s not at ease. It's time to really bomb the Saudis. I did not meet the graduates of Qatari madrassas.
                  1. Botanologist
                    Botanologist 10 November 2012 20: 45
                    +2
                    Yes, the Saudis really climbed in the Middle Ages. It is time to return them there not only culturally, but also in the way of life. The best tool is cruise missiles, you can take a little troped along the coastal infrastructure.
              2. datur
                datur 10 November 2012 21: 16
                0
                Yarbay,
                Yarbaybut unfortunately they will win, AL QAIDA0 !!! And not poso, but freaks who -islam in no way put !!!!
              3. Wanderer1980
                Wanderer1980 11 November 2012 14: 44
                -2
                Alibek.
                The verdict passed on April 13, 2006 by the Metropolitan Court of Budapest, chaired by Andras Vashkuti

                Case No. 6.B.515 / 2004/128

                In the name of the Republic of Hungary.
                The Metropolitan Court of Budapest, on the basis of open court hearings of November 23, 2004, February 8, September 27, December 15, 2005, March 4, March 7 and April 13, 2006, April 13, 2006, issued a decision and announced the following
                Приговор

                Accused Ramil Safarov, who was in pretrial detention on February 19, 2004 (born in Azerbaijan, Jebrail, August 25, 1977; mother's name: Nubar Mammad Hasanova; permanent residence: Azerbaijan, Baku, 14th district, Ashirim street Kusachi, 3; citizen of Azerbaijan; passport of a series P0 No. 706616)

                Convict:

                In the commission of an extremely cruel and pre-planned, carefully prepared murder, committed with particular cruelty from vile and base motives, as well as in an attempt to kill a second person.

                In view of the foregoing, the court ruled on the cumulative punishment for the crimes committed as life imprisonment.

                After serving the sentence over the next 10 (ten) years, the accused is deprived of the right to visit the Republic of Hungary.

                At the time of conclusion, count the time spent under investigation.

                Only after thirty (30) years spent in prison, the accused can get the right to apply for clemency.

                I. Justification of the judgment

                Accusation:

                The Moscow prosecutor's office opened a criminal case under number NF 3383/2004/16-I against the accused Ramil Safarov of committing a pre-planned and carefully prepared murder committed with particular cruelty, as well as an attempt to kill a second person.

                II. Personal data:

                Ramil Safarov, single, has no one dependent. In 1991 (at the age of 14) he was accepted to study at the Baku Military School, a year later he was sent to study at a military school in Turkey, where he studied for 4 years, then he entered the military academy there, where he also spent 4 years, after graduation, still there in Turkey, he studied for refresher courses for a year. In 2001, with the rank of officer, he returned to his country. At the time of the crime, he had the rank of senior lieutenant and served in the Higher Military School of Azerbaijan.

                Previously had no criminal record.

                The Pest Central District Court opened a criminal case under No. 9.B.22172/2005 against the accused for assaulting an official. The accused is mentally healthy, does not suffer from dementia, during the commission of criminal acts was in a sane state, fully aware of his actions. The defendant does not suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder.

                Almost everywhere, these schools are the best !!


                In what, in your opinion, did Safarov succeed in the best educational institution in the world?
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 11 November 2012 16: 39
                  -1
                  Quote: Wanderer1980

                  In what, in your opinion, did Safarov succeed in the best educational institution in the world?

                  Safarov is an intelligent, educated man, a patriot of his country, who killed a fascist henchman, a jackal and did the right thing !!
                  He knows several languages, in prison he learned Hungarian and made translations of prominent Hungarian writers !!
                  Safarov's Armenian Nazis killed many relatives with particular cruelty, he had to learn the life of a refugee since childhood !!
                  He did the right thing, you need to chop your fascist infanticides with an ax and in any position, even in the toilet !!
                  1. Wanderer1980
                    Wanderer1980 11 November 2012 22: 21
                    0
                    Alibek.
                    from childhood he had to learn the life of a refugee

                    Safarov hails from Jabrail. The Armenians took Jabrayil in 1993. Safarov studied in Turkey since 1992. Where did they find him a refugee from in Azerbaijan?
                    Gurgen Margaryan, born in 1978, killed by him. During the First Artsakh War, he was 13-16 years old. He was not even in this war. FOR WHAT?
                    The Turk once again showed his true face!
                    As you say
                    He did the right thing

                    This is the whole point of the Turkish perception of the world. Hacking a sleeping, unarmed man at night is the Turkish understanding of the right.
                    But what they write about
                    smart, educated person, patriot of his country
                    the doctors who examined him
                    "In the case, even during the investigation, a psychiatric examination was carried out by psychiatrists Dr. Katalin Gaal and Dr. Christina Juhas, under No. 33/2004 (in the verdict, examination No. 1), according to which neither at the time of the crime, nor during During the examination by the expert experts, the accused did not suffer from clouding of consciousness, mental disorder or illness, or mental impairment or personality degradation. The conclusions of the examination # 1 are as follows: "The accused is a person with disharmonious personality development, who, on the basis of a psychological examination, revealed, along with a low level of intelligence, poor orderliness of thinking, stereotyped views, with good abilities - their very difficult implementation, insufficient self-awareness, ease of submission to outside influence, irascibility, lack of attachment , inability to adapt, uncertainty in decision-making, the nature of the epileptic personality, living by its own laws, antisociality, controllability, lack of self-control, a thirst for self-affirmation with obvious psychopathic traits. " reassessment of their love and patriotic feelings with a certain megalomania on which the propensity for military service is built, and moreover - the manners of a fanatic with racist views (the enemy is hatred), but without paranoid x symptoms, with fixed negative feelings and thoughts (hatred-revenge), which motivated the crime. The examined personality disorder is compensated and does not even come close to the state of a pathological disorder of thinking."
                2. Ruslan67
                  Ruslan67 11 November 2012 16: 58
                  +1
                  David! with all due respect, you already pretty much got it! Do not hell to wander around the territory of your probably enemy if you consider yourself an ally of Russia! no one is killing your officers in Yerevan or Moscow, and in Minsk or Astana, too, and if you are trying to flirt with NATO, then be prepared for what you can get on the head in any country. After all, not only your friends live there.
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 10 November 2012 16: 25
          +2
          Quote: sergo0000
          .To build something like the Ottoman Empire, you must have eggs! And he does not have them along the way!

          Hi Sergey, but another problem appeared, It is not a lot, not a little about the creation of an independent Kurdistan on the territory of Iraq, an article in the Military Materials, everyone stirs up and muddles that it is beneficial to anyone. And it seems that everyone has decided for Turkey.
      2. Yarbay
        Yarbay 10 November 2012 10: 48
        0
        Hi Sanya!
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        .Attempt to restore the Ottoman Empire will lead to the opposite

        This is a far-fetched * desire * and an action imposed here and in some Turkish media !!

        In reality, like any country, including Russia, Turkey wants to have a neighboring country and the country's leadership close to itself, if possible * subordinate *, to protect itself from possible threats !!
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        No one needs another major geopolitical player today.

        Turkey plays a significant role in regional politics and sooner or later it will play an impressive role in geopolitics!
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 10 November 2012 16: 22
          +4
          Quote: Yarbay
          In reality, like any country, including Russia, Turkey wants to have a country as a neighbor and a country's leadership close to itself, if possible * subordinate *, to protect itself from possible threats!

          It’s not possible, Alibek, when millions of dollars go to finance mercenaries, it simply won’t be stable there. We also want to have a government close to ourselves in Latvia and Georgia, but to wreak havoc and sponsor terrorism is already too much.
          Quote: Yarbay

          Turkey plays a significant role in regional politics and sooner or later it will play an impressive role in geopolitics!

          No, they won’t, it’s just not beneficial to many, including the USA and Russia.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 10 November 2012 16: 57
            -1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov

            It’s not possible Alibek when millions of dollars go to finance mercenaries, there simply will not be steady

            That's just the point, when they close the feeder everything will be stable !!
            Surely there are already candidates * friendly *!
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            We also want to have a government close to ourselves in Latvia and Georgia, but to wreak havoc and sponsor terrorism for this is too much.

            So Turkey does not have the opportunity to sponsor !! As far as I know, other countries pay money, and Turkey wants to take advantage of the situation to promote its policy, that is * candidacy *!
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            No, they won’t, it’s just not beneficial to many, including the USA and Russia.

            Well, I will not argue with this, since this is an individual opinion and it is more predictable that in 5 years not everyone will take it!
      3. Klibanophoros
        Klibanophoros 10 November 2012 14: 13
        +3
        Well, why not? It may not be what the Turks want, but it is beneficial to the West for other reasons. Islam today is a scarecrow for the western man in the street. An excellent image of the enemy, which is at the same time weak and powerless in military terms. But on how Muslims once again shred Slavs in the Balkans, the old rotten West would have looked with great rapture and pleasure. And there are also the Crimean ambitions of Turkey ... And the Caucasian ones too ...
      4. Kaa
        Kaa 10 November 2012 16: 12
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        No one needs another major geopolitical player today.

        But so small, but ambitious - just right! Where are the heirs of Salah ad-Din, the Kurdish conqueror? Sow the wind - reap the storm, do not be dashing, while it is quiet, do not spit in the well ..... something bore me .... sad
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 10 November 2012 16: 18
          0
          Quote: Kaa
          ? Sow the wind - reap the storm, do not be dashing, while it is quiet, do not spit in the well ..... something bore me

          Hi Kaa, well, right in color. Here the article came out on military materials about Kurdistan, here is an excerpt from it ............................ .................................................
          ............ It seems. including for the sake of achieving these goals, an emergency visit of the head of the Kurdish autonomy of Iraq to the UAE and Qatar took place. Recall that in early November, Masoud Barzani arrived in Abu Dhabi and negotiated with the Crown Prince and Deputy Supreme Commander of the UAE Armed Forces, Sheikh Mohammed bin Zayed Al Nahyan. The talks concerned the involvement of UAE investments in Kurdistan, the solution of the economic and social problems of the Kurds. However, most likely, the Gulf Arabs posed to M. Barzani the most important question about the inadmissibility of the declaration of independence of Kurdistan and ensuring the territorial integrity of Iraq. Most likely, this outcome of the negotiations was not included in the plans of Barzani’s visit to Abu Dhabi. And at the end of the visit about the UAE, the president of the Kurdish autonomy urgently arrived in the capital of Qatar, Doha. Emir of Qatar, Sheikh Hamad bin Jassem al-Thani, Barzani on November 5. The Qatari news agency quoted the Crown Prince as saying he was interested in the unity and territorial integrity of Iraq. The emir of Qatar urged Barzani to return subordinate to the official authorities of Baghdad and not destroy the country. In return, Qatar promised to promote autonomy for the Kurds in Syria - of course, after the overthrow of the country's legitimate authorities, led by President Bashar al-Assad. This promise of al-Thani, one of the main instigators of the war against Syria, is associated with the intention to lay an oil pipeline through the northern territories of the country, mainly inhabited by Kurds.

          The Emir of Qatar is already forming the future "government" of Syria without Assad, promising to present several ministerial portfolios there. In parallel, al-Thani also promises multi-billion dollar “investments” in the economy of Kurdistan. Of course, for a reason. Apparently, Doha seeks to use Barzani as a tool for destabilization in northern Syria. These adventurous intentions can adversely affect the plans for the further development of Iraqi Kurdistan. The “carrot and stick” policy with regard to Barzani is capable of turning into a complete collapse of not only the ambitious plans of Qatar and the Saudi house, but in general will lead to the destruction of Kurdish autonomy.

          A few days ago, Barzani returned to Erbil, and now he will most likely need to urgently meet with the Turkish "curators" for consultation and summing up.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 10 November 2012 17: 00
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Gulf Arabs put before M. Barzani the most important question about the inadmissibility of the declaration of independence of Kurdistan and ensuring the territorial integrity of Iraq

            can I see the link ??
          2. Kaa
            Kaa 10 November 2012 23: 26
            -1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov

            Yes, the process of forming Kurdistan has already been launched, the Turks need to worry about this, a small cut:
            "During the operation Iranian military against Kurdish militants on the border with Iraq killed and wounded 30 extremists. This was stated by Colonel Hamid Ahmadi. According to Radio Liberty, the operation was carried out from Friday. All the dead and injured are members of the Kurdistan Free Life Party, a group associated with the Kurdistan Workers Party, which the United States, the European Union and Turkey consider terrorist. Recall that over the past few weeks, the Turkish Air Force launched a series of attacks on the positions of Kurdish extremists. http://news.liga.net/news/world/537344-iranskie-voennye-ubili-i-ranili-30-kurdsk

            ikh-boevikov.htm Seven servicemen were killed and 56 were injured as a result of shelling of a military column by Kurdish militants in the east Turkey, Reuters reports. The attack on a military convoy in which soldiers rode buses took place on the highway connecting the provinces of Bingol and Mush in the east of the country. Anatolia’s agency cites other data on the dead and wounded - according to local journalists, four people were killed and 48 were injured. According to BBC News, most of the wounded were injured as a result of the shelling of one of the buses. According to local officials, the number of victims may increase. Army Turkey began an operation to capture militants armed with hand grenade launchers and machine guns. According to some reports, it is supported by air. On September 14, the country's authorities said that as a result of a large-scale operation that began on September 8, 2012, Kurdish separatists killed 75 militants. Five thousand people and eight F-16 fighters took part in it. On September 17, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said that during the hostilities in one month, security forces eliminated nearly 500 people who, according to the authorities, were Kurdish militants. The prime minister said that 123 of them were killed on the border with Iraq. http://lenta.ru/news/2012/09/18/kurds/
            Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan canceled a visit to Kazakhstan scheduled for October 20-21. The reason for this decision was a bloody attack by the militants of the Kurdish Workers Party on Turkish military personnel in the south-east of the countryAccording to RIA Novosti, militants attacked Turkish military units on Wednesday night in the Chukurdzh district of Hakkari province at once in eight places, as a result of which 24 soldiers were killed and 18 were injured. According to the BBC, after repelling the attack Turkish military units cross border with Iraq with the intention of chasing the attackers. The Turkish military uses helicopters to search for attackers. In this region of Turkey, militants of the Kurdish Workers Party (PKK) have repeatedly launched attacks on security forces. After a shootout, they usually retreat to the mountains or forests in the territory Iraq.http: //www.islamnews.ru/news-92661.html
            Where else do they go to Syria ??? !!!!
        2. tekinoral
          tekinoral 11 November 2012 02: 20
          -1
          you for Crimea worry comrade.
    2. igordok
      igordok 10 November 2012 09: 59
      0
      Quote: pogis
      The Kurds have already created their own state in Iraq. Does he want the same in Syria?

      According to euronews in Syria has already formed.
  2. I-16M
    I-16M 10 November 2012 08: 29
    +11
    The Turks have spoiled all their neighbors, each in due time. They would sit quietly on the straits. They will play out sometime in global politics, they will spud them from all sides.
    1. igordok
      igordok 10 November 2012 10: 01
      0
      This is all the former territory of the Ottoman Empire, so they probably feel like masters.
      1. Kaa
        Kaa 10 November 2012 23: 34
        +1
        Quote: igordok
        This is all the former territory of the Ottoman Empire,

        Then, according to the logic of things, do we need to throw separatists into Poland, Finland and part of Turkey? soldier
    2. Kaa
      Kaa 10 November 2012 23: 10
      0
      Quote: I-16M
      They will play out sometime in global politics, they will spud them from all sides.

      I do not know how to spud, but the title of the article will be a little different "Turkey bluffing buzzes, or is in hostages concubines of the West. "
  3. Yarbay
    Yarbay 10 November 2012 09: 03
    -5
    There are several inaccuracies, I don’t know the felts because of ignorance, or on purpose!
    1.
    *** So, at the initial stage of the anti-Assad campaign, Turkey decided to go along the uniquely western vector. ***"This is not entirely true, that is, Turkey has big claims to the Assad regime without the West! Since the 80s, the main leaders of Kurdish terrorists have lived and led their gangs from Syria, including Ocalan!"
    2. *** Naturally, this number of refugees in the direction of Turkey and further - Western Europe - will increase multiply if a full-scale war begins in Syria with the open participation of foreign states. Does Turkey need such “happiness”? The answer is obvious ***is a far-fetched problem, all refugees are located in special camps where their movement is strictly controlled! And without Syrian refugees in Turkey, there are a huge number of illegal migrants, including more than 200 thousand Armenians from Armenia! So there is no problem for Turkey!
    3.. *** In particular, recently, several Turkish publications came out with information according to which Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan decided to use contacts that were somewhat unexpected for many, namely contacts with Iran. ***- From the very beginning of the conflict, Turkey and Iran had active contacts on the Syrian issue!
    4. *** The same position of Turkey was confirmed by the Turkish President Abdullah Gul, whose opinion does not often coincide with the position of Erdogan. *** -it can only be written by a person who does not know the realities of Turkish politics !! Erdogan and Gul are like Putin and Medvedev! They are the closest people to each other! At one time, Erdogan entrusted Gul with the premiership knowing that at the right time he would give the resignation and personally promoted Gul’s candidacy for the presidency! They are close friends!
    5. *** Reuters reported that the Turkish side had purchased and had allegedly built Patriot systems along the border with Syria in order to strike at the territory of this country *** - in the sense of missiles * Patriot * will strike?))))))))
    Turkey has enough funds to strike at Syria !!

    5. *** In any case, if Ankara wants to go closer to its positions in relation to Syria *** -So far, Erdogan and this party of change in relation to Syria cannot be in power in Turkey !!
    6. *** If Erdogan has the political will, then it is time for him to look for other ways to solve the problem. *** -is it like that?))) That is, throwing one way, then the other way you call the possession of political will?)))))))))))))
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 10 November 2012 13: 54
      +15
      Quote: Yarbay
      it can only be written by a person who does not know the realities of Turkish politics !! Erdogan and Gul are like Putin and Medvedev! They are the closest people to each other! At one time, Erdogan entrusted Gul with the premiership knowing that at the right time he would give the resignation and personally promoted Gul’s candidacy for the presidency! They are close friends!

      Alikbek! Let me dispel your subjudice about "tandem"
      Just Putin and Medvedev are actually far from close friends as it seems from the outside. Behind Medvedev is a powerful political group - part of the oligarchs and the Yeltsin “family”, that is, all those people for whom the 90s of the last century were an earthly paradise. It was they who demanded a new perestroika, de-Stalinization, and everything else, meaning by this the continuation of the Yeltsin banquet - a new stage in the free distribution of state property into the right hands. That is, that part of the political elite that we commonly call compradors-cosmopolitans or supporters of the so-called liberal course, focused primarily on the United States and global global capitalists. Therefore, Medvedev and maintains a strong position in power
      Putin and his supporters in the elite need Medvedev just as friendly interface for interacting with the West
      There are no common goals and views in foreign and domestic policy, much less friendship. The policy of compromises between the elites within the leadership ends. War is slowly beginning in Russia Between those who consider the country to be plundered and those who live here
      These are liberal mass media, various political scientists - grant-eaters constantly impose on us through the mass media and the Internet that Putin and Medvedev are of the same field of berries and, most importantly, that Medvedev is Putin'S COMPANION. In fact, he is a protege of completely different forces .. The ones mentioned above.

      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 10 November 2012 14: 06
        -1
        Quote: Ascetic
        Let me dispel your subjudice about "tandem"

        Dear Stanislav read your thoughts and arguments with interest !!
        I mean, as much as Medvedev, Gul does not solve anything!
        He lacks charisma, leadership qualities, independence, and therefore was put forward by Erdogan! In my opinion, the same thing has a place to be on Medvedev’s question !!
        Quote: Ascetic
        that Putin and Medvedev are one field of berries, and most importantly, that Medvedev is Putin’s HELP. In fact, he is a protege of completely different forces

        Then the trouble has not yet passed Russia!
        Alas, I can only see your link in the evening!
        Quote: Ascetic
        Behind Medvedev is a powerful political group - part of the oligarchs and the Yeltsin “family

        I don’t understand much, but what about the family and the oligarchs against Putin ???
        Whom did Putin offend ??
        Everyone lives happily ever after !!
        Only those who vyzhivatsya on Putin and do not share * party policy * -punished !!
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 10 November 2012 14: 13
          +6
          Quote: Yarbay
          Everyone lives happily ever after !!


          The fact of the matter is that while they live happily ever after, however, they can affect the state of affairs less and less, there really aren’t any others and those are farther ..
          And Turkey will not fight Syria. Soon it will not be up to it, and the confrontation with the "Kurdish threat" will completely seize all thoughts and affairs of Ankara. Turkey does not need this either economically or politically. There are those who are more in need ... here is an interesting infa
          Qatar promised Israel free gas supplies for assistance in assassination attempt on Assad - media
          The truth is similar to the stuffing through the Lebanese newspaper, but the blood interest of Qatar and the Saudis in the overthrow of Assad is beyond doubt
          My webpage

          By the way, your source is Azerbaijani

          Pressure on Russia's position in the Middle East is growing. Here's another piece of news.
          Iraq annulled $ 4,2 billion arms deal with Russia
          “This contract has been canceled. When Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliuki returned from a trip to Russia, he became concerned about possible corruption (in the deal). He decided to completely review the contract. "
          Mussavi's words.
          Ridiculously. Arabs worried about corruption (apparently the percentage of rollback did not suit) laughing
          The hand of the overseas host is clearly felt.
          My webpage
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 10 November 2012 14: 21
            +5
            Quote: Ascetic
            But Turkey will not fight with Syria

            Hello everyone, the latest news from Turkey ........................................... ......................... 17 people died as a result of the crash of a military helicopter in southwestern Turkey, reports Reuters. A Sikorsky brand aircraft crashed on November 10 in Siirt Province, crashing into Mount Herekol.
          2. Yarbay
            Yarbay 10 November 2012 14: 25
            0
            Quote: Ascetic

            The fact of the matter is that while they live happily ever after, however, they can affect the state of affairs less and less, there really aren’t any others and those are farther ..

            Well, it was clear from the very beginning of the Putin Presidency, he put these people in the framework that he needed !!
            That is, in my opinion, in exchange for security and non-involvement in judicial responsibility to the complete submission to their interests!
            It was probably right at that time, but I still think it is wrong to leave all crimes unpunished!
            Quote: Ascetic
            But Turkey will not fight with Syria.

            I am also sure of this and not only because of the Kurds !! I wrote about it below!
            1. Ascetic
              Ascetic 10 November 2012 14: 31
              +6
              Quote: Yarbay
              I am also sure of this and not only because of the Kurds !! I wrote about it below!


              It’s one thing that Turkey is being pushed hard into this mess, another thing is how Erdogan will behave as a politician, you need to save your face and your older brother. And at the same time do not drive the country into a political dead end.
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 10 November 2012 14: 43
                +1
                Quote: Ascetic

                It’s one thing that Turkey is being pushed hard into this mess, another thing is how Erdogan will behave as a politician, you need to save your face and your older brother. And at the same time do not drive the country into a political dead end.

                Here I completely agree with you !!
                Only Erdogan is a good enough speaker, but a very inflexible politician!
                In principle, I’m sure that the United States wouldn’t give a year to control a man in Turkey who would at least deviate from their plans by a millimeter !!
                and they’ll not get into the mess in Turkey for no reason, but what the West is interested in Turkey will not give in exchange !!
  4. Yarbay
    Yarbay 10 November 2012 09: 25
    +2
    and here's another
    *** The Turkish public has a whole series of questions to its authorities in connection with the publication of a Western news agency. *** - it’s not the Terets’s public, but the Turkish opposition that has questions and this is common in Turkey, when the government doesn’t succeed, the opposition begins to criticize!
    Alas, Erdogan's rating in Turkey is still high !!
    1. hrych
      hrych 10 November 2012 11: 42
      +11
      Salam, Yarbai. You see, there is such a thing as a lousy human nature when a seemingly sane, intelligent person turns into a fanatical moron who believes in his exceptionalism and thinks of himself as Caesar, Napoleon, Hitler, Bayazid, etc. But if the units indicated by me were even evil, but geniuses, then there’s nothingness like Erdogan is a whole legion. Not only did Hitler, that Napoleon nearly ruined his people from not completely brutalized Russians, had almost achieved victory before. I have no doubt that Erdogan will fan the war, moreover, he will drag Azerbaijan into it, and sooner or later Russia will also be drawn into this war, which is tired of the war and therefore will burn everyone.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 10 November 2012 12: 05
        +3
        Quote: hrych
        Salam, Yarbai

        Vaaleikum salam dear!
        Quote: hrych
        You see, there is such a thing as a lousy human nature when a seemingly sane, intelligent person turns into a fanatical moron who believes in his exceptionalism and thinks of himself as Caesar, Napoleon, Hitler, Bayazid, etc. But if the units indicated by me were even evil, but geniuses, then there’s nothingness like Erdogan is a whole legion. Not only did Hitler, that Napoleon nearly ruined his people from not completely brutalized Russians, had almost achieved victory before. I have no doubt that Erdogan will fan the war, moreover, he will drag Azerbaijan into it, and sooner or later Russia will also be drawn into this war, which is tired of the war and therefore will burn everyone.

        Dear Hrych!
        I am not a supporter of Erdogan!
        In general, everything is much more complicated and possibly easier than we all think!
        Understand Erdogan is not an independent force!
        If Erdogan would have been invented !!
        In Turkey, the majority scold the United States, but politicians invariably follow the pro-Western course!
        Without US support, Erdogan would not have dared to arrest more than one officer!
        Recently, one of the accused generals of the participants in past military coups admitted that the military received instructions and the go-ahead for coups from amers!
        Pay attention to your first visit after being elected President of the United States, Obama made 4 years ago in Turkey, I won’t be surprised if this happens again, it says how important Turkey is for Amers in the light of their international politics of recent years!
        Erdogan will not be able to start a war because the military elite is not reliable for him and he is afraid of it, that is, fraud!
        As for Azerbaijan, I believe that at present Turkey is more dependent on Azerbaijan than vice versa!
        This is evidenced by many things, including the fact that Azerbaijan has openly friendly relations with Israel and Syria (with which Turkey is opposed), and, of course, Azerbaijan’s huge investments in the Turkish economy!
        Remember the fate of the Turkish-Armenian protocols, as soon as Azerbaijan economically threatened Turkey, Erdogan immediately replaced the Minister of Foreign Affairs and the parliament refused to ratify the treaty!
        1. hrych
          hrych 10 November 2012 13: 10
          +6
          If so, then let Azerbaijan capture Turkey, Yarbai as president and establish peace in the world.
          I don’t think it’s office. Syrian services supported Kurdish groups in Turkey, rather the Kurds of Syria, with whom Assad, at least, did not quarrel. Not only are the Azerbaijanis, that the Kurds, the multi-million people who were divided, both by the Ottomans and the imperialists, who were dividing the corpse of the Ottoman Empire. It is generally in the spirit of the Anglo-Saxons to create, for example, Iraq, to ​​include the Kurds and Shiites there, to kill the Sunnis over them, and then to bang them, so to speak, "mine" for future use, but the main thing is that the wells work without interruption. You yourself, you know that there are almost 30 million Azerbaijanis in Iran, and almost 20 million Kurds, and a big war will lead to Azerbaijanis killing each other. In general, the point is that it is necessary to bring down Erdogan until the business has done something wrong.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 10 November 2012 13: 22
            +4
            Quote: hrych

            If so, then let Azerbaijan capture Turkey, Yarbai as president and establish peace in the world.

            In general, I am for peace in the world without any seizures !!
            As for the leadership, I don’t want such a responsibility, I just have the position of representative of the friendship of peoples in the world with a good salary))))))
            1. hrych
              hrych 10 November 2012 13: 39
              +4
              Here's a "+", than he could encourage.
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 10 November 2012 14: 27
              +5
              Quote: Yarbay
              As for the leadership, I don’t want such a responsibility, I just have the position of representative of the friendship of peoples in the world with a good salary))))))

              Alibek, people are asking, you can’t refuse laughing
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 10 November 2012 14: 36
                +4
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                people ask, you can’t refuse

                Sanya, I know that the authorities can corrupt me and more than that I’m not a politician, I’ll start the war right away and will gouge me))))))))))))))
                So I prefer to be an employee, preferably with a limited liability, but with a decent salary!))))
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 10 November 2012 14: 48
                  +2
                  Quote: Yarbay

                  Sanya, I know that the authorities can corrupt me and, to a large extent, I’m not a politician, I’ll start the war right away and they will gouge

                  Well, this is normal in the modern world, we’ll sit another month, we’ll note your presidency, and there the situation will settle down. But when they overthrow you, there will be something to remember on our website, there will be a stormy discussion of your personality wink
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 10 November 2012 15: 18
                    +2
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Well, this is normal in the modern world, we’ll sit another month, let’s note your presidency, and there the situation itself will settle down

                    I am convinced that everyone should do his own thing and that which is closer to him !!
                    Not everyone can lead a country, even a tiny one!
                    I know for myself that I don’t have such a talent!
                    I have many negative qualities that the head of state should not have!
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 10 November 2012 15: 37
                      +1
                      Quote: Yarbay
                      I know for myself that I don’t have such a talent!

                      Bush didn’t possess either, but he taxied for 8 years, I am silent about Yeltsin.
                      Quote: Yarbay
                      I have many negative qualities that the head of state should not have!

                      Alibek, there are no ideal presidents, there are ideal positions that bring good dividends wink
                2. Ruslan67
                  Ruslan67 10 November 2012 17: 12
                  +3
                  Alibek! Then the most suitable position is the head of the warehouse of products БЧ-10 without liability
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 10 November 2012 17: 26
                    +1
                    Quote: Ruslan67
                    then the most suitable position is the head of the warehouse of products БЧ-10 without liability

                    Hi Ruslan !!
                    Just the same, I’m not afraid of liability))))))
                    It is simply desirable that the work be connected with business trips around the world and not connected with the army and generally with epaulettes !!))))
                    I just noticed that most of all I have impressions from trips to other countries and I like it !!)))
                    1. Ruslan67
                      Ruslan67 10 November 2012 17: 39
                      +3
                      that's the problem! trips to exchange experience with colleagues from other countries of the conference on the topic-features of storage of pig-iron pigs in a tropical climate there are plenty of options! the main creative approach
                      1. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 10 November 2012 17: 50
                        +2
                        Quote: Ruslan67

                        that's the problem!

                        Ruslan was persuaded)))))))))))))))))
                        I'm going to ask for this position)))))))))))))
                        By the way, your information on a small dose of cognac was confirmed !!
                        The doctor confirmed!
                        Thank you for that))))
                      2. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 10 November 2012 18: 07
                        +2
                        It's my pleasure! I’m always happy to help. And if you manage to get a deputy you will take it to yourself?
                      3. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 10 November 2012 19: 08
                        +1
                        Quote: Ruslan67

                        It's my pleasure! I’m always happy to help. And if you manage to get a deputy you will take it to yourself?

                        On the contrary, I agree to be your deputy !!
                        You are much more literate, more experienced and older than me!
                      4. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 10 November 2012 21: 48
                        +2
                        Alibek! Thank you for the compliment, but I agree only that I’m older. In general, a good team could have worked out - if we had established air deliveries, flying over enemies would have lost several products, but there would be no liability. In general, we would have set up a broad profile
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 10 November 2012 14: 24
            +3
            Quote: hrych
            Yarby in presidency and establish peace in the world

            I support, let Alibek solve the situation, and I’ll have the president as a friend. Alibek will help me open a business in Turkey there, so from old memory laughing
  5. Rezun
    Rezun 10 November 2012 10: 27
    +2
    Alas, Erdogan is a narrow-minded person! Turkey has experience in running the country with a military elite --- in my opinion, this was a plus.
  6. Lexagun
    Lexagun 10 November 2012 11: 27
    +7
    Pay attention to the outbreak of war from Turkey
    _____________________________________________________
    03.08.1914/XNUMX/XNUMX Southern Front Turkey declares its neutrality

    29.10.1914/XNUMX/XNUMX Southern Front Turkish ships and German cruisers "Goeben" and "Breslau" fired at Odessa, Sevastopol, Feodosia, Novorossiysk

    02.11.1914/XNUMX/XNUMX Southern Front Russia declared war on Turkey

    11-12.1914 Southern Front Battles of Russian and Turkish troops in the Erzurum direction

    12.11.1914/XNUMX/XNUMX Southern Front Turkey proclaimed a “holy war” against the powers of the Entente

    22.12.1914/XNUMX/XNUMX - Southern Front The defeat of the advancing Turkish army by Russian troops in the Sarykamysh operation

    June 26.6 - July 21.7.1915, XNUMX Southern Front Alashker operation of Russian troops against the Turkish army. Occupied areas of lakes Van and Urmia

    10.1 -2.3.1916 Southern front Erzurum operation of the Russian Caucasian army. The Turkish front was broken through and the Erzurum fortress was taken (February 16). Turkish troops lost about 66 thousand people, including 13 thousand prisoners; Russians - 17 thousand killed and wounded

    5.2-18.4.1916 Southern Front Trebizond operation of Russian troops. Busy Turkish city of Trebizond
    2.1916 Southern Front The offensive of the Russian cavalry corps in the Mosul and Baghdad directions. Captured Kermanshah

    _______________________________________________________

    The war for the Turks is over, they have oranjad, that is, a revolution to which, here is a surprise, was not unknown Parvus.

    But back to the beginning. The first world.

    Turkey as a state In the person of its not the most stupid leadership (It is extremely rare that stupid people appear in the leadership. Scoundrels or pragmatists are easy, but stupid only as direct puppets and not for long), so the leadership of the Turks, namely: the Sultan and the vizier directly declare the Germans that in spite of the allied relations with them (from 0209.1914), Turkey will not enter the war.
    Not ready.
    The vizier explicitly declares that if he enters the war against Russia, this external challenge will not be overcome. as a result, there will be an internal challenge that will finish the empire. As he looked into the water. Yes, only the Sultan and the Vizier were not the most important in Turkey. Germany and other structures that are in the shade do not care about their opinion. The Germans need to weaken Russia's capabilities on the Eastern Front at all costs and whether Turkey will survive as a state does not care about them in principle. So the option of the collapse of the Turkish Empire is permissible for them. Well, for others, the collapse of the Turkish Empire is actually the goal, like other empires, the Russian, German, Austro-Hungarian.
    . Which incidentally happened.

    And the decision on an unauthorized attack on Russian ports was made by Minister of War Enver Pasha. Naturally without asking the Sultan and the Vizier.

    1 ). Turkey was drawn into World War I contrary to its interests
    2). Turkey was involved in World War I contrary to the opinion and intentions of its leadership.


    You can draw analogies yourself.
    1. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 10 November 2012 11: 35
      -1
      I didn’t understand something - in 1916 the war for Turkey ended? Are you sure?
  7. Lexagun
    Lexagun 10 November 2012 11: 48
    +1
    For former Turkey, the revolution has been there since 1915. Ataturk.
    Relations with the Young Turks will become a problem.
    By the way, everything that Grandfather Lenin won under the Tsar will be returned to the Turks.
    1. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 10 November 2012 12: 00
      0
      What the...?
      About Ataturk from Wiki:
      Having led the defeat (October 1918) of the Ottoman Empire in World War I, the national revolutionary movement and the "war of independence" in Anatolia, achieved the liquidation of the puppet government of the Sultan and the occupation regime, created a new one based on nationalism ("sovereignty of the nation" [3]) , a republican state, carried out a number of serious political, social and cultural reforms, such as the abolition of the sultanate (November 1, 1922), the proclamation of a republic (October 29, 1923), the abolition of the caliphate (March 3, 1924), the introduction of secular education, the closure of the dervish orders, reform clothes (1925), the adoption of a new criminal and civil code according to the European model (1926), the latinization of the alphabet, the separation of religion from the state (1928), the granting of voting rights to women, the abolition of titles and feudal forms of treatment, the introduction of surnames (1934), the creation of national banks and national industry. As the chairman of the Great National Assembly (1920-1923) and then (from October 29, 1923) as the president of the republic, re-elected to this post every four years, and also as the irreplaceable chairman of the created People’s Republican Party, he gained unquestioned authority and dictatorship in Turkey [4 ] authority.
      Another poorly educated dreamer ...
      For what reason they will return - did not try to find out?
      1. Lexagun
        Lexagun 10 November 2012 12: 33
        +3
        Hmm ... Sarych, that I got excited with the mention of Ataturk, not 15, but naturally 18. The 15th is the Armenian question, overlapped. I apologize for involuntarily misleading about Ataturk. I just have old short notes about the situation on the Southern Front broken off in 1916. soldier

        But how does this affect the coverage of Turkey’s entry into the war? No way.
  8. Artillerist
    Artillerist 10 November 2012 12: 01
    0
    I regret the appearance of a lot of frivolous articles of illiterate provocateurs on the portal I respect recently. So the author Volodin Alexei writes:
    Reuters reported that the Turkish side had purchased and had already allegedly built Patriot systems along the Syrian border in order to strike. Such information produced the effect of an exploding bomb both in Syria and in Turkey itself. The Turkish public had a number of questions to their authorities in connection with the publication of a Western news agency.

    I wonder who is lying? Reuters or Lesha Volodin? Firstly, how correctly ironic Yarbaystrike with air defense systems in Syria is how? This is impossible. But using the Patriots to create a no-fly zone as part of another NATO aggression is possible, but insanely expensive. Given that Patriots can act as elements of a missile defense, it is unreasonable to use them against outdated Syrian aviation. There are many cheaper air defense systems + NATO aviation itself. Reuters may be responsible for fraud in court, but Lesha Volodin is unlikely.

    Secondly, I deeply dislike Turkey's position on the situation in Syria. I don't even take into account the moral aspect. Politicians are guided by other categories. But inciting an external war with a country plunged into a civil war is a stab in the back and such "jackal" behavior will clearly not be approved by the sane world community (again, I do not mean official governments). It resembles the behavior of Poland, which always had territorial claims to ALL of its neighbors, and immediately after the Munich Agreement (in fact, the betrayal of the Czech Republic by England and France), it immediately chopped off an entire administrative region from the Czech Republic (I don’t remember its name - it’s not the point). Then you all know what happened to Poland itself. .... In the end, if Turkey behaves like a jackal, it will also receive what it deserves. Who knows what will happen to Turkey itself in 20-30 years? And how will the neighbors lead her "They will help or, remembering the" old ", will substitute the" bandwagon ".

    Turkey is more likely to fall face down in the mud than to acquire anything. It is profitable for NATO to "scoop up the heat" with the hands of Turkey (she is not so sorry). What is there to hide ... even among the NATO countries there is an ambiguous attitude towards Turkey, as if a member of the "second class". When the time comes, she will be harshly given to understand this. When the Turkish population passes the "hurray-patriotic" frenzy from the lack of quick and easy victories, and when the coffins come, the Turkish authorities can be betrayed not only by NATO partners, but also by their own people. And rightly so! Well, and from the subsequent confrontation with Russia, China, Iran, Turkey is clearly not going to be sweet only from the economic consequences, even without taking into account the military responses of these countries.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 10 November 2012 12: 19
      0
      Dear Stanislav!
      Turkey will not go on military intervention, they don’t need it !!
      At the moment, in Syria, a sufficient amount of cannon fodder from all Wahhabi ghouls !!
      Quote: Artillerist
      I am deeply disgusted by the position of Turkey on the situation in Syria

      I am also against Turkey’s support for Wahhabis, but didn’t Syria support Kurdish terrorists before ???
      I think that Turkey seeks to have a more friendly regime in Syria than Asadovsky and achieve the expulsion of Kurdish militant bases from the territory of Syria!
      You are probably right that after many years the Asad regime has received what your neighbor was trying to do!
      ** Reuters or Lesha Volodin? **is really a Reuters report, about which the Prime Minister of Turkey and the US State Department spoke out !! It’s just that I think it’s not serious to retype frank nonsense and draw conclusions and conclusions on it!
      1. Artillerist
        Artillerist 10 November 2012 12: 40
        0
        Quote: Yarbay
        It’s just that I think it’s not serious to retype frank nonsense and build conclusions and conclusions on it!

        With both hands "FOR". But the author is fascinated by the loud name "Reuters", which can be referred to. And the fact that he retells the obvious nonsense ... he does not care. These are the problems of readers who "read diagonally".
    2. Volodin
      10 November 2012 12: 21
      0
      It seems that the reader Stasik overdid it ... Well, naturally, Patriot rockets do not hit anything on anything, and they stand, sinful, like metal idols ... And leave your claims about the publication in Reuters for Reurets, sir " illiterate provocateurs ". Read the articles more carefully, and you will be happy, and if you read diagonally, then it is better not to read at all ..
      1. Artillerist
        Artillerist 10 November 2012 12: 37
        +1
        I didn’t read your work diagonally either. You can goofing around as much as you want (as I understand it, this is your simplest defensive reaction) - your article will not get better from this.
        If Reuters writes nonsense, and you include it in your work, and build your conclusions on it - what kind of reaction do you expect from readers?
        1. Volodin
          10 November 2012 12: 46
          +1
          Stanislav, I'm not used to getting into long and unnecessary arguments with readers at all. The attitude to the article is your own business. Let's just respect each other without resorting to derogatory statements about our humble personalities. I think the epithet "illiterate provocateur" is clearly not worthy of an adequate reader's comment. This is my small request, but under the article - speak up as much as you like.
          1. Artillerist
            Artillerist 10 November 2012 12: 52
            +2
            I agree. About the "provocateur" got excited. Please accept my apologies.
            1. Volodin
              10 November 2012 12: 58
              +1
              I am glad that we have found a common language. Let the "illiterate" remain ... smile
    3. Nuar
      Nuar 10 November 2012 13: 48
      0
      Quote: Artillerist
      But inciting an external war with a country plunged into a civil war is a stab in the back and such "jackal" behavior will clearly not be approved by the sane world community
      wow, and nobody invaded the civil territory of the Russian Empire? no one climbed into Spain, in Angola there were no "representatives" of foreigners (oh, I forgot about Korea and Vietnam feel ), but in the Congo and Libya - probably now there are no foreigners ...
  9. Yarbay
    Yarbay 10 November 2012 13: 00
    0
    Quote: Volodin
    Just let us respect each other without resorting to derogatory remarks regarding our humble personalities.

    Quote: Artillerist

    I agree. I got excited about the "provocateur"

    I can not disagree with you !!!
  10. Artillerist
    Artillerist 10 November 2012 13: 28
    0
    This is censorship ..... belay
    If you delete this, then apart from "deafening and prolonged applause" you will not hear or read anything here. Does it remind you of anything? I mistakenly thought this was a serious portal.
    Delete my account.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 10 November 2012 13: 39
      0
      Quote: Artillerist
      This is censorship .....
      If you delete this, then apart from "deafening and prolonged applause" you will not hear or read anything here. Does it remind you of anything? I mistakenly thought this was a serious portal.

      Stanislav, I think you misunderstood !!
      Apparently, because you came to a common denominator with the author, the moderators removed comments that are not related to the article !!
  11. Spooky
    Spooky 10 November 2012 17: 19
    -5
    If Turkey sucks, then why there are so many CIS citizens who go, from Kemer to Bodrum in shops a dime a dozen Russian speakers, and not only as buyers, but also as sellers !!!!!!!!!!
  12. homosum20
    homosum20 10 November 2012 18: 35
    +2
    Quote: sergo0000
    Ottoman Empire, you must have eggs! And he does not have them along the way!


    Quote: Pimply
    There is, Alibek, there is. Both.

    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    says Sergey, but another problem appeared, It is not a lot, not a little about the creation of an independent Kurdistan on the territory of Iraq, an article in the Military Materials, everyone stirs up and muddles that it is beneficial to anyone. And it seems that everyone has decided for Turkey.

    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    says Sergey, but another problem appeared, It is not a lot, not a little about the creation of an independent Kurdistan on the territory of Iraq, an article in the Military Materials, everyone stirs up and muddles that it is beneficial to anyone. And it seems that everyone has decided for Turkey.

    Turkey is a great power.
    great powers in mentality are not former.
    New regimes are always ambitious and unpredictable (Kurdistan).
    And the former greats - "the old horse will not spoil the furrow" - are always more reliable.
    A compromise must be sought with Turkey. Today it is between two fires, as a member of NATO and a neighbor of Russia. Whoever is smarter will receive an ally.
    1. Spooky
      Spooky 10 November 2012 18: 48
      -2
      Strongly said and most importantly SMART !!!!!
  13. APASUS
    APASUS 10 November 2012 23: 12
    0
    There is a very serious factor in this issue - the factor of self-destruction !! Destroying Syria, Turkey supports the Kurds !!! And Kurdistan claims to be not the smallest piece of Turkey itself !! The Kurds have Iraqi oil, and this is money! Turkey is the first country that is interested in Syria keeping the Kurds in check! But no! NATO requires victims ........... but where will they lead Turkey?
  14. georg737577
    georg737577 11 November 2012 00: 43
    0
    Quote: Yarbay
    The United States would not allow a year to rule a man in Turkey who would at least deviate from their plans by a millimeter !!

    Thank you, your phrase puts everything in place in this matter!
  15. sxn278619
    sxn278619 11 November 2012 01: 20
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    built the Patriot systems along the border with Syria to strike .Nonsense.
  16. Gavril
    Gavril 11 November 2012 05: 50
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    How did they get sick of everyone, I just want to press the red button and erase this country, YUESEI. But I don’t want to ruin all of humanity because of these idiots.
  17. gen.meleshkin
    gen.meleshkin 11 November 2012 11: 36
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    The West will not be scared by crowds of refugees, Turkey will also be helped if necessary.
  18. wolverine7778
    wolverine7778 11 November 2012 15: 52
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    I saw the video of the FSA fighters fled from the recently captured Ras al-Ain by them, to the territory of Turkey, and from hot pursuit the Syrian army pursued, running, shooting, Turkish policemen helped them cross the border, and they shouted in Arabic, "The situation is very bad!" "Where is Erdogan ???," Where are the Arabs ??? "
    It is clear that Erdogan does not have the courage to give an order to attack the Syrian army on a full scale, even this Obama election, in short, if he does not decide in the near future, he will be spat on by the Arabs, because he was so old, he tried to replace Saudi Arabia and Qatar, but and he didn’t want to let a little blood of the Turkish army, so he don’t know how to get out of this situation, builds bridges with Iran, then Russia, and then again, like everything is inconsistent with him everything turns out, oh, IMHO Washington will soon will call on the bridegroom of someone smarter than Erdogan)
  19. not good
    not good 11 November 2012 19: 50
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    Erdogan is not independent in making decisions, judging by his throwings, he himself does not fully understand what they want from him. And who said that the Americans are interested in the territorial integrity of Turkey. The collapse of Turkey, like the collapse of Syria, will complement the picture of controlled chaos very well. And if Erdogan if there isn’t enough strength to keep Turkey from the war with Syria, then Erdogan and Turkey will not be torn today, they will be torn apart, and NATO will groan, worry, but will not lift a finger to help.