Israeli scenario - total military training for Russians

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Israeli scenario - total military training for Russians
Source: mkset.ru


people with guns


In Russia, big changes are coming in the organization of military conscription. On the one hand, the president signed a decree on raising the age of conscription from 18 to 21, while the age limit will increase to 30 years. Chairman of the State Duma Committee on Defense Oleg Kargapolov recently said that this year the conscription will take place according to a “mixed scheme”, when men aged 18-30 will go to the army. It will take some time for the final transition to the new scheme.



We are witnessing the first steps towards a gradual increase in the size of the army to one and a half million people. In the same series, the decision on the possibility of signing a contract by military personnel from the first year of military service. In many respects, this is why the draft age is increased to 21 years - most of them manage to get a civilian specialty, and decisions are made more consciously than at 18 years old.


Victor Sobolev. Source: runaruna.ru

But it seems that these measures are not enough to increase the defense capability of Russia. So says Lieutenant General Viktor Sobolev, a member of the State Duma Committee on Defense from the Communist Party, who recently proposed to conduct total "courses for a young fighter." A military registration specialty must be present in all, without exception, young men who are able to hold weapon.

It's like a kind of two-tier compulsory military service. First of all, those fit for military service are subject to conscription, and secondly, the rest of those who have not served go through special fees. According to the general, out of ten persons liable for military service, nine were not in the army. Sobolev plans to conduct military training for at least six months. Thus, the necessary mobilization reserve for a real war with NATO will be formed.

Also in Sobolev's plans are cardinal changes in the mobilization base of the country's deployment. Now a considerable part of the soldiers are being trained and combat coordination in military schools. This negatively affects the educational process and the training of future officers.

In the vision of the lieutenant general, every man should have minimal skills in combined arms combat and be fit for military service. Now, according to Sobolev,

“The entire male population of a certain age is our mobilization reserve, but what is its quality?”

In a recent interview with URA.RU, General Sobolev clarified the nuances of the initiative:

“Those who are over 30 years old will be attracted to training camps in order to receive a military specialty and not be cannon fodder. To do this, a lot needs to be done, including we must have a trained mobilization reserve.”

The age limit has not yet been designated, but it is now difficult to call recruits for training camps young people. What does it say?

First of all, about the death of the concept of a professional army and a high-tech war of the future, for which Russia has been preparing for the past decades. Now it all comes down to a banal trench warfare, in which the winner is not the one who has more missiles and bombers, but who has more infantry. And not just infantry, but highly motivated and trained manpower.

This, by the way, lies the stability of the Ukrainian army. Since 2014, the country has been living in a state of partial mobilization - at least six waves of conscription have passed in the country, in addition to military service. APU killed two birds with one stone.

First, several hundred thousand Ukrainians remembered what weapons are and how to use them. And several tens of thousands more went through the notorious ATO and came out with combat experience. Although not all.

Secondly, in the army, they explained to the silly kids what kind of threat Russia poses to them and what needs to be done with it. For several years, an extremely militarized society developed right next to our country, openly hating its big neighbor. This abscess was once supposed to burst, and it needs to be treated only surgically.

The special operation seriously changed the views of the Russian leadership on military planning. The situation when a country with the second army in the world for almost a year is forcing the demilitarization of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the third ten of all military ratings cannot but be alarming.

By the way, the adequacy of the assessments of various rating agencies has yet to be assessed, but this is a slightly different conversation.

Israeli script


If the SVO ends tomorrow or in a year, the situation with military conscription will be clearly transformed. And here, not only the Ukrainian scenario, but also the Israeli one will be very useful. There are several conceptual intersections with Israel at once.

First, in its defense strategy, Jerusalem openly reserves the right to deliver a preemptive strike against the territory of any state that poses a threat.

It sounds like "the doctrine of a lightning-fast preventive strike in order to neutralize the armed forces of the enemy." What the IDF has repeatedly demonstrated. Therefore, the Israelis do not have such frenzied anti-Russian hysteria.

Secondly, the country recognizes that Jews are and will continue to be persecuted on a national basis, so they will have to defend their right to life with arms in their hands. Similarly, now Russians for pro-Kiev nationalists are people of the second or third grade. Our country is now getting a second Palestine at hand, with a small caveat - the enemy has a developed industry and is supported by the leading countries of the world.

Whether we like it or not, we will have to look towards the Israeli experience. You just need to decide to what extent. Ben Gurion once said:

“Our security is based, first of all, on the reserve army. On fighters who can be quickly mobilized as soon as the need arises.

After completing the mandatory 30-month service (for women - 24 months), each citizen registers with a specific military unit and maintains combat readiness with annual fees. The latter can last up to 55 days. And another Hebrew expression that describes the situation very accurately. This time from the Chief of the IDF General Staff at the dawn of the emergence of Israeli statehood, Yigal Yadin:

"An Israeli is a soldier who is on leave 11 months a year."

In Russia, there is an analogue - BARS or the Combat Army Reserve of the country, it was organized relatively recently in 2021 and is still small in number.


Source: neprizyvnoi.ru

It is rather difficult to say how viable the initiative of General Sobolev is.

First of all, there are questions about semi-annual fees. In some sectors of industry and the national economy, the mass withdrawal of employed men for such a period can cause a collapse. On the other hand, if we reduce fees to 20-30 days, what can we teach non-serving men? The monthly "course of a young fighter" will turn into a sham.

There are opponents of Sobolev's idea in the State Duma. Andrei Kartapolov, head of the Duma Defense Committee, believes that the Russian mobilization system meets all modern challenges and threats. Deputy Alexander Tolmachev proposes a compromise - to introduce a three-week course for the mobile reserve. If for those who served in the army this will help to revive their skills, then for the rest it is absolutely not enough. Tolmachev in his Telegram channel supplements the amendment:

"For those who have not served, the first block of training can be doubled to understand the basics."

It is highly desirable that yesterday's purely peaceful men receive the basics under the guidance of military officers of the NWO.
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  1. +11
    17 January 2023 04: 47
    first they did an urgent year, then for half a year everything was in a row ... a madhouse.
    1. +12
      17 January 2023 05: 11
      A military specialty must be present for all young men without exception
      Agree one hundred percent!
      1. +4
        17 January 2023 07: 26
        No one bothers to call for semi-annual training camps and send them in transit to defend the Motherland on an indefinite basis. How will demographic problems be solved?
        1. +2
          17 January 2023 08: 48
          Quote: Civil
          No one bothers to call for semi-annual training camps and send them in transit to defend the Motherland on an indefinite basis. How will demographic problems be solved?

          And these are the “problems of the future Homer”, and this will be another “Homer” ...
          Regarding the fees - in the current realities, the collection, equipment and training is an almost unrealistic task outside the field of mobilization, since the training of all the mobilized has not yet been completed, a call has recently passed ...
          1. +3
            17 January 2023 09: 50
            Quote: parma
            Quote: Civil
            No one bothers to call for semi-annual training camps and send them in transit to defend the Motherland on an indefinite basis. How will demographic problems be solved?

            And these are the “problems of the future Homer”, and this will be another “Homer” ...
            Regarding the fees - in the current realities, the collection, equipment and training is an almost unrealistic task outside the field of mobilization, since the training of all the mobilized has not yet been completed, a call has recently passed ...

            The tasks are set - do it. That's the whole conversation.
            1. +2
              17 January 2023 21: 32
              And the result will be:
              People will be taken away from work. With all the consequences.
              We have already seen the equipment and supplies on the example of the mobilized. That is, all at your own expense.
              As a result, people will be shown an AKM with three horns of cartridges and the whole army mess.
              That's all.
              1. 0
                19 January 2023 00: 49
                Stop building your ridiculous guesses here, I think that adequate leadership should be able to analyze the mistakes made earlier and never make them again.
        2. +13
          17 January 2023 10: 21
          And before the NWO, demographic problems worried our leadership? The state had a simple solution to problems with demographics - to pay money for a child and pay a monthly amount that is far from reality, then spin around as best you can. Problems in the field of preschool education, secondary school, problems with the quality of health care in the field of motherhood and childhood have formed a snowball that will not go anywhere. Maybe our state paid off mortgages to those families where there is one child, and the father was mobilized? No.
          1. +15
            17 January 2023 12: 23
            The problem is that our government raised consumers and mortgage lenders and that they themselves would drag all this "economy" where the oligarchs live, and now they urgently need motivated and patriotic fighters, well, like in the Second World War, when there were queues at the military enlistment offices and people for years attributed to themselves. But this does not happen, either capitalism or motivation. And to be honest, I perfectly understand people who don’t really want to get out of cozy mortgage nests with loans in order to go to war in an incomprehensible NWO with indefinite goals, when Abramovich brings fascists first class to Turkey to improve their health with the latest iPhones in your pocket. Until our government understands that an IDEOLOGY and a real fight against a ROTTEN SYSTEM are needed, there will be no motivated upsurge of patriotism, and it (the government) seems to sincerely not understand this. "Why aren't there queues at the military registration and enlistment offices?" And because the ONF is collecting fees for kdrokopter, SHAME, but because not a single rat that plundered the bowels and sits on them now has helped with a penny for the war, there is only business around. So it is with citizens, business, nothing personal, everyone has their own problems.
            1. Alf
              +3
              17 January 2023 18: 18
              Quote: K._2
              Until our government understands that we need an IDEOLOGY and a real fight against a ROTTEN SYSTEM

              Will the government fight itself? I'll be selling tickets to this show...
              1. +3
                17 January 2023 21: 43
                Quote: Alf
                Will the government fight itself? I will sell tickets for this show...
                laughing Dodger! fellow Not a bad business
                1. Alf
                  0
                  17 January 2023 21: 51
                  Quote: 30 vis
                  Quote: Alf
                  Will the government fight itself? I will sell tickets for this show...
                  laughing Dodger! fellow Not a bad business

                  I can share! drinks
        3. +3
          17 January 2023 14: 50
          They decide to raise the retirement age again. This is what we are capable of. And save money.
        4. +1
          17 January 2023 18: 57
          Decide normally. In a healthy society, they resolve themselves.
      2. +14
        17 January 2023 08: 59
        Here's how to say...
        Here I have a VUS, an entry in the military about a driver-welder of tanks. Only for a year I didn’t approach the tank, the welding machine. Well, at least I used it at home, and then bread. So VUS is not a panacea
        1. +4
          17 January 2023 10: 22
          And how many owners of VB in the Regions, who were only listed ...
        2. +15
          17 January 2023 12: 32
          My son served urgently in 2016, he has a VUS driver. In the army, no one allowed him to go to the steering wheel, there was no mention of any studies, the entire service consisted of household work and orderly orders and at the checkpoint, they fired from AK twice a year, 6 rounds each. What can I say - he has no rights at all. And there is a driver's VUS.
          So make a deadline for two years, ten, annual fees for a month, for six months, but while maintaining at the head of the army (and not only the army) those who turned it into a model of eyewash and stupid window dressing, this will not raise the combat effectiveness of the Armed Forces in any way. It will only finally ruin the economy and the country itself.
          1. +4
            17 January 2023 18: 09
            Damn, you described the problems.
            Well, we still need not to increase the deadlines, but to remove all economic nonsense from army studies.
            It’s okay to go to the guardhouse, it’s okay to be on duty at the checkpoint and take it down .. but remove all sorts of chores and do the drill no more than 1,5 hours a week. If you do real combat training, then a year is enough to teach.
            However, the problem is that the technique is becoming more complicated, and it is no longer enough to have, for example, separately ready-made gunner and loader with a tray, we need a calculation. But the preparation of the calculation is a matter of another complexity.
            Here, serious investments in simulators are already required.
            And then we need not a separate calculation, but a ready-made unit (battery, company, squadron, squadron) ... etc. etc.
      3. +10
        17 January 2023 11: 57
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        A military specialty must be present for all young men without exception
        Agree one hundred percent!

        VUS in the army is just a madhouse, a clinic. I have a VUS electrician-dieselist, although I unlearned to be a geography teacher, I am an electrician so-so, and I don’t rummage in engines. But this is not necessary, because for the whole service you will be shifting a mountain of sand from one point to another with shovels with the boys, although at the same time there is a brand new excavator with a truck nearby, the sergeants who are supposed to use them, BUT as they said (sergeants, foremen, etc.) - 2 soldiers and a shovel replace the excavator.
        1. +4
          17 January 2023 21: 37
          There is NO drill training in the Israeli army and nothing - it fights well!
      4. +7
        17 January 2023 12: 29
        So they are different ... I have an accountant of the financial service))) and they are of no use, they called a friend to the SVO, he is a mechanical driver, retrained as a sapper. What a game
        1. +1
          17 January 2023 14: 30
          he is a mechanic driver, retrained as a sapper

          Well, yes, but they will send a grenade launcher to fight, but they may not give a grenade launcher. Such are they - our bonds.
      5. -1
        17 January 2023 18: 58
        Yes, it's simple: Russia is destined to be Sparta.
        1. 0
          17 January 2023 20: 11
          Quote: Sevastiec
          Yes, it's simple: Russia is destined to be Sparta.

          Remind you how Sparta ended?
    2. -9
      17 January 2023 08: 50
      Quote: Aerodrome
      Jews are and will continue to be persecuted on a national basis, so they will have to defend their right to life with weapons in their hands.

      In place of the supreme, at the moment, I would hold a two-week all-Russian training camp for citizens of military age, up to pensioners and those with health restrictions (pensioners at will). Even people like me (50-year-olds who are not fit for combat by sight) can be useful in the event of aggression and an attack on Russia. There are many specialties that people like me can fit into. Yes, at least bring the shells to the artillery crew. But until you train civilians, there will be no sense from them.
      1. AUL
        +13
        17 January 2023 10: 22
        Quote: Wend
        In place of the supreme, at the moment, I would hold a two-week all-Russian training camp for citizens of military age, up to pensioners and those with health restrictions (pensioners at will).

        Yes, to conduct fees - this is the simplest part of the problem, which is in plain sight. You can even teach a little something, except for drill - everything can be. But the fact that the most efficient part of the population is withdrawn from the economy / industry (even if not all at once, even if only for a month) - how will this affect the economy? At whose expense will the families of those called to the camps live? State? Or at the expense of the employer? And it’s not enough for him that the employee was pulled out of the production cycle, so he also pays him the average? And if he plugs this hole with another hired worker, where will the person return after the training camp?
        The other side of the issue. In the army, for one "shooter" there are a dozen "providers". Where to get them, if the economy has already decreased in number of people?
        And, most importantly (in my opinion). To mobilize people without mobilizing the industry / economy is a waste of time. And how things are going with this is a huge topic for a separate, long conversation.
        Do we need to prepare reserves for the army? Certainly necessary. How to do this in our realities, so that all the steam does not go off the whistle and the money is not stolen? I don't imagine. Let someone smarter answer this ...
      2. +8
        17 January 2023 18: 03
        Ага.
        Instead of New Year's holidays - the whole country is at military training.
        Okay, here I am for a week at the training camp, they will dress me (even in junk) and feed me, but who will feed the family all week ???
        At whose expense is the banquet???
      3. +1
        18 January 2023 17: 10
        In place of the supreme, at the moment, I would hold a two-week all-Russian training camp for citizens of military age

        it’s good that you will never be in the place of the supreme, otherwise you are talking nonsense. Why do citizens of military age spend two whole weeks of their lives on these fees? The same budget money collected from the taxes we paid can be spent much more efficiently, especially in the period of economic contraction that is coming in the next three to four years. For example, equipment in hospitals and clinics should be updated until medical equipment is under sanctions (especially not in capitals, but in small towns). Or at least equip those who have already been mobilized, so that they can be given uniforms, equipment, so that it is not for those called up to spend money on armor or sleeping bags.
    3. +5
      17 January 2023 10: 23
      Well, based on the changes, they were most likely guided by the old principle - the main thing is not to be like in the USSR.
    4. -1
      17 January 2023 15: 02
      Well, in terms of urgent, everything is simple: you need to TEACH, and not make you pick your nose, i.e. we need a network of military training centers throughout the country, which will train conscripts for combined arms and higher education. And only by setting up this stage can we talk about something further ... The problem with mobilization is that we do not have a ready-made mob reserve .. in fact those 300 What they called for: half went to active units, and the other part is sitting at the training grounds waiting for equipment. we need a reserve of equipment. So we need to implement the scheme of a reserve battalion in each part, which will have a sufficient amount of equipment to issue to mobs., and there already BARS is normal to do, and not profanity
      1. +2
        17 January 2023 19: 32
        Quote: Barberry25
        Well, in terms of urgent, everything is simple: you need to TEACH, and not make you pick your nose, i.e. we need a network of military training centers throughout the country, which will train conscripts for combined arms and higher education. And only by setting up this stage can we talk about something further ... The problem with mobilization is that we do not have a ready-made mob reserve .. in fact those 300 What they called for: half went to active units, and the other part is sitting at the training grounds waiting for equipment. we need a reserve of equipment. So we need to implement the scheme of a reserve battalion in each part, which will have a sufficient amount of equipment to issue to mobs., and there already BARS is normal to do, and not profanity

        It was already-framed parts.
        Well, here someone wrote correctly - everything is done according to the principle, if only it were not in the USSR.
        1. +3
          17 January 2023 21: 33
          the problem with framed units according to the USSR format is that, yes, there was equipment, but there was no personnel. because the officers had no real command experience, those who served there from the rank and file were tortured by eternal outfits, and those arriving by order had poor training and they didn’t know their units ... The cadre units of the USSR showed themselves poorly, so you either need to create a separate battalion in a conditional brigade, the task of which is to receive their snow leopards on an ongoing basis, or to make 4 and 5 platoons in companies that are deployed from the same reservists.
  2. +24
    17 January 2023 05: 12
    First of all, about the death of the concept of a professional army and a high-tech war of the future, for which Russia has been preparing for the past decades. Now it all comes down to a banal trench warfare, in which the winner is not the one who has more missiles and bombers, but who has more infantry. And not just infantry, but highly motivated and trained manpower

    Who comes up with this, I wonder? Nonsense of an amateur.
    Thesis.
    Firstly, this is not a concept that has died, but money has been stolen. Everything that was supposed to go for modernization went abroad.
    Secondly, like Makiivka showed how technology works against manpower. Not? And there were already dozens of make-ups that were not talked about in the telegram channels.
    Thirdly, manpower will not reach the Polish border. Guaranteed. Only technique and technology will reach there.
    1. -15
      17 January 2023 07: 23
      And there were already dozens of make-ups that were not talked about in the telegram channels.
      Do you have specifics, with facts proving this statement?
      1. +1
        17 January 2023 19: 51
        More than 6000 dead Russian soldiers and officers in less than a year in a regional special operation will fit as a fact?
    2. +13
      17 January 2023 07: 24
      Quote: forty-eighth
      how technology works against manpower.

      Well, yes, well, yes, a century and a half ago, the Zulus understood, using the example of the Gatling machine gun, what the triumph of technology is. And during WWII, the key to swift victories was no longer masses of infantry, but columns of tanks and wedges of aircraft ... There is nothing to say about modern times. For a long time
      who has more infantry
      hold out against satellite reconnaissance / UAV / artillery with adjustable ammunition ..? Technology has long taken over. Motivated and trained infantry is undoubtedly needed, but the better they are trained, the more expensive they are, in every sense. And it is already prohibitively expensive to have big losses. And what if not technology and experience make losses minimal ..?
    3. +11
      17 January 2023 09: 00
      Quote: forty-eighth
      Who comes up with this, I wonder? Nonsense of an amateur.

      Yeah ... In vain the generals were forbidden to wear hats. They even looked like brains from afar.
      In the 21st century, to declare that masses of infantry are needed ... Mentally stuck not even in the last century, but at the beginning of the year before last. Still, linear tactics and beautiful uniforms would be remembered. Wouldn't be surprised...
      Quote: forty-eighth
      Firstly, this is not a concept that has died, but money has been stolen.

      Exactly. They sawed the money, but they want to give the rap to a simple infantryman. "Strategists"...
  3. +4
    17 January 2023 05: 16
    Our country is now getting a second Palestine at hand, with a small caveat - the enemy has a developed industry

    Yes, there is no industry there for a long time. It was, but it all came out.
    I lived for a very long time in one of the regional centers of the Ukrainian SSR, in our city there were seven large factories (not counting smaller ones), of which three were union values. Then Ukraine came and "killed" them with its own hands. The most experienced personnel were thrown out into the street, sometimes unique equipment purchased by the Soviet Union in Germany and Japan was stolen. Machine tools went to scrap metal. Even the reinforced concrete ceilings were gouged by the Ukrainians, removing reinforcement from them for scrap.
  4. +7
    17 January 2023 05: 36
    There is a small nuance in this not a simple issue, the size of the country. Arrive within a conventional hour for a reservist in Israel for a problem. There were already framed units in the USSR, and how did they show themselves?
    1. +3
      17 January 2023 15: 03
      because the approach was wrong. You need to do BARS normally. and then those cadre battalions will be ready within a week. If we had 200 reservists ready, we would have finished the NWO in the spring
  5. +6
    17 January 2023 05: 42
    Who served 2, 1,5 years, I think they will quickly be drawn into military life. And for those who have served for a year, there is such a thing as "partisans" and military training. Let's do a simple calculation next. Conscript in reserve from 20 to 50 years 30 years. If we consider the service life of 1,5 years, then we get 20 people per one regular place. This means that the army of privates - sergeants for wartime can be increased 20 times, and here the question arises - whether all types of troops need to be increased 20 times. Strategic Missile Forces -? air defense-? PV-? IMF-? ...... The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation should have a clear idea of ​​​​who and how much is needed - today, tomorrow and the day after tomorrow. Perhaps someone will have to retrain and change the VUS. To do this, we need and will have training centers in which they teach not the handling of weapons and combat, but the conduct of hostilities in the realities of modern warfare. hi
    1. +11
      17 January 2023 08: 49
      There is no need to count and check anything, the general always dreams of a large number of military personnel, because there are more generals and colonels in the country than necessary, and everyone sits in headquarters and offices
      1. +4
        17 January 2023 12: 40
        For Shoigu and his generals, the entire reform comes down to an increase in the number of armed forces by one and a half times, or rather, an increase in 1,5 times the number of general posts and the same number of times - the financial flows that they will steer. Everything else worries them from the word in any way.
    2. +1
      17 January 2023 15: 04
      everything depends on the time of service .. if a fighter served 5 years ago a year, he will quickly remember what and how than those who served 2 years, but 15 years ago, otherwise we would not have had problems with thumping mobs at the training grounds
  6. -1
    17 January 2023 05: 44
    God heard my prayers - Russia will finally be able to defend itself, and office hamsters will no longer be proud of their military otmazannosti. It would also be possible to clean up the country inside, and also according to the Israeli model - when all power is in sight and the dominant ideology is that one's own country is above all, and the rest of the world will wait.
    1. +9
      17 January 2023 07: 19
      Quote: Leader_Barmaleev
      God heard my prayers - Russia will finally be able to defend itself, and office hamsters will no longer be proud of their military otmazannosti. It would also be possible to clean up the country inside, and also according to the Israeli model - when all power is in sight and the dominant ideology is that one's own country is above all, and the rest of the world will wait.

      Hardly God. More like the one on the bottom floor. Start with those who failed everything that could be failed in the economy, the Army and the defense industry. And there, you see, as you get to the office plankton, you can come enlightenment in your head.
    2. +12
      17 January 2023 08: 11
      Quote: Leader_Barmaleev
      God heard my prayers - Russia will finally be able to defend itself, and office hamsters will no longer be proud of their military otmazannosti.

      Do you write from a "burning tank"?
    3. +4
      17 January 2023 08: 55
      I wouldn't hope so much for it. Office hamsters will quickly make inquiries about flat feet or stupidity. I don’t understand what I don’t understand, does the Ministry of Defense want to do two different types of military service?
    4. +6
      17 January 2023 09: 33
      Quote: Leader_Barmaleev
      God heard my prayers - Russia will finally be able to defend itself, and office hamsters will no longer be proud of their military otmazannosti.


      Office "hamsters" will just get a reservation, because if these people are in the IT sector, in the defense industry, in industries that are important for the state, then they will not be called up for training camps. Also, they will not call for the children of officials / deputies / big business, etc. - actually those people who have the opportunity to pay off and "get off". (+ part of the "hamsters" will go remote and will work from Turkey, from the EAEU countries, etc.)

      And who will go? Ordinary guys from the countryside, from small towns, from factories, hard workers (who fall by age) .... they will update their skills or get a "specialty" - which of them did not serve, and in the event of a repetition of "SVO" and a similar story, they will go in the trenches....

      So the prospects are, given the Russian realities. But the question is much more interesting ... where did the trillions of rubles allocated by the budget for the rearmament of the army go? Why, in 2022, our army turned out to be unable to fulfill the assigned task .... that we even had to carry out partial mobilization, in February 2022 there were clearly no such plans), where did the budget funds go? And who is responsible for this?

      As for military conflicts of the 21st century and the future, it will not be the number of mobilized and the number of military personnel that will decide, but technology .... unmanned aircraft using advanced software, and in the future under the control of AI, remotely controlled military equipment, robots, etc. . - and in this direction it is necessary to move.
      1. +5
        17 January 2023 12: 28
        No one will answer, you don't understand, it's different.
    5. 0
      17 January 2023 19: 56
      Quote: Leader_Barmaleev
      office hamsters can no longer be proud of their military otmazannosti
      Why all of a sudden?
  7. +20
    17 January 2023 05: 50
    And in 30 days you can learn a lot. Only for this it is necessary to teach what is needed in the war and not engage in drill training and the study of charters
    1. +14
      17 January 2023 10: 10
      I completely agree with you! I was taught artillery, although I have always been good with equipment. There would be good teachers, but you can also teach bears to ride foxes!
    2. +4
      17 January 2023 15: 07
      well, in 30 days you can teach how to use a machine gun, but the artilleryman is gone ... the task of the reservists divided into different categories is to provide the army with personnel in the shortest (up to 2 weeks), short (months), and medium (up to 3 months) terms. ..That's why they created at one time BARS as reservists, who were supposed to arrive in the database zone with weapons within a week if necessary, but the topic was not implemented
      1. 0
        17 January 2023 17: 42
        well, in 30 days you can teach how to use a machine gun, but an artilleryman

        Well, how about in more detail.
        Who from the calculation of 2a36 cannot be taught in 30 days?
        Let me remind you of 6 people.
        Answer or don't talk.
        1. +1
          17 January 2023 21: 39
          can you train a gun commander, gunner from scratch in a month in a month? trained?
      2. 0
        17 January 2023 17: 52
        So who from the calculation cannot be trained in 30 days?
        1. +1
          17 January 2023 23: 13
          I kind of pointed out, re-read. They say it helps
  8. +12
    17 January 2023 05: 59
    The idea to serve should be all good, except for the Israeli army, there is also a Swiss model, who is willing to argue which is better. Of course there is a difference, but it is small.
    1. +16
      17 January 2023 10: 06
      I will not argue. Personally, Swiss would suit me. Yes, there is only one catch here. Well, our state does not want law-abiding citizens to have weapons in their homes. Well, in any ....
      1. +16
        17 January 2023 12: 46
        We also have the Ukrainian option - with the distribution of weapons to the defense industry in the event of a direct threat of the enemy capturing the territory, it is basically impossible. In the border areas, they organized the defense. Unarmed. I am sure that even if the Armed Forces of Ukraine ever come to Bryansk and Belgorod, they will not even give out old Kalash from warehouses to local residents, they will be afraid, it is better to leave them to the enemy as trophies.
      2. +7
        17 January 2023 15: 19
        the effectiveness of the Swiss scheme has not been proven, although it is interesting .. the task is to deploy, if necessary, a large number of ground forces in a short time, say at a rate of 200 K troops in the first two weeks and with subsequent rates of 75-100 thousand in a month, and the troops must be equipped, trained and equipped with equipment. agreement that receive 50% DD from the soldiers and everyone else ..
        1. -4
          17 January 2023 18: 50
          Quote: Barberry25
          the effectiveness of the Swiss scheme has not been proven, although it is interesting ..

          The effectiveness of the Swiss and Swedish models is proven by the fact that no one attacked them. In reality, the Swiss system was tested during the Soviet-Finnish war. Austria-Serbia was able to defeat Serbia only after a year of war, when its soldiers of its army learned to shoot like Serbs. If a person has access to firearms since childhood, he will certainly acquire marksmanship skills and in a small arms battle will be worth several soldiers who have shot only a hundred rounds from the machine.
          1. -2
            17 January 2023 19: 31
            In Ukraine, according to statistics, 90% of those killed and wounded on both sides are from artillery strikes. Skills of shooting from machine guns do not play a decisive role.
          2. +2
            17 January 2023 21: 40
            Have you heard the "elusive Joe" joke?
      3. +1
        19 February 2024 15: 23
        but it’s a great pity. Are citizens afraid?
  9. +17
    17 January 2023 06: 01
    everything would be fine, but on the ground the warriors will teach the reservists not to fight. and we’ll walk in formation and sing songs! First, the officers need to be sensible, so that there are no such cases when the reservist presented the officer, and he put him on the bunk. Indeed, on the ground, such officers do not have the slightest desire to mess with the partisans, because they believe that this meat, unrestrained drunks and rabble, will die anyway.
    1. +6
      17 January 2023 08: 48
      To do this, each officer must take retraining courses 1-2 times a year, in special centers for improving
      qualifications. Where he can get acquainted with new communication systems, weapons, in theory and practice, learn about new methods of combat, well, remembering the forgotten ones also does not hurt.
      1. +6
        17 January 2023 13: 52
        To do this, military schools should stop doing garbage (House work, edging, corruption, mass recruitment of cadets for other purposes, an overabundance of drill training and memorizing general, non-combat regulations ...) and start studying military affairs, in a real way.
        1. +1
          17 January 2023 14: 37
          To do this, it is necessary to close all military universities that were not closed under Serdyukov, send all their employees and veterans who hinted at "rich traditions" (many months of preparations for parades and painting curbs) to active units so that they prove by deed the existence of real combat traditions and qualities military education. And to establish new military universities, and not one of those who served in the closed schools and academies should be allowed to fire a cannon shot. It may be necessary, as in the time of Peter, to invite foreigners. And where to go? We are now witnessing the fruits of our military education and our glorious military traditions on the NVO fronts. It will no longer be possible to treat it, only to cut it alive.
        2. +1
          17 January 2023 19: 44
          Quote: Commissioner_Wolf
          To do this, military schools should stop doing garbage (House work, edging, corruption, mass recruitment of cadets for other purposes, an overabundance of drill training and memorizing general, non-combat regulations ...) and start studying military affairs, in a real way.

          Kantik? Have you seen the video How did Shoigu come to the database zone now?
          Here he went into the dugout and checked the bed linen.
          You can’t erase the candies from our generals with anything.
  10. +3
    17 January 2023 06: 11
    By the way, the adequacy of the assessments of various rating agencies has yet to be assessed, but this is a slightly different conversation.

    This is where you should always start: a bad dancer always gets in the way of statistics.
  11. -1
    17 January 2023 06: 17
    The Jews, unlike us, know what they are fighting for.
    1. 0
      17 January 2023 06: 23
      Well, also 3,8 billion. dollars a year from the United States is a good "pension supplement", it's the same as that the Russian Federation would receive 56 billion rubles. a year from someone.
      1. -2
        17 January 2023 07: 02
        In June 67, these billions were not there, however ...
        1. 0
          17 January 2023 07: 14
          Anton, greetings,
          in June 1967, even in our army, they were not guided by "ratings", and they were not preparing for "tank biathlons", but for combat training, confirmation of this, the operation in Czechoslovakia.
          1. +1
            17 January 2023 08: 36
            My respect, Edward!
            To be honest, in Czechoslovakia, the Germans were noted first of all (by the way, there was something for that), and ours, so, indicated the presence.
            1. +1
              17 January 2023 12: 42
              Anton,
              Not certainly in that way.
              They did everything at the initial stage of the Airborne Forces of the USSR Armed Forces - just a classic, then 18 divisions of the USSR ground forces against 6 other countries of the Warsaw Pact.
              They planned to introduce the Germans with the forces of two divisions, but they didn’t even seem to introduce them, after all, the Second World War ended 23 years ago and the memory was tough. This was taken into account. How many Germans were allowed in, according to different information, is different, but it seems that divisions were not brought in.
              But if they had introduced: 18 divisions or 2?
              Now they are writing tales in the style of cheers-nationalism, how the Germans behaved coolly towards the Czechs, but the Soviets did not. Of course it's bullshit...
              1. 0
                17 January 2023 19: 03
                Eduard, you know that I do not talk in vain. No, of course, I chatter when I play Dandelion-minnesinger (Sapkowski, if anything), but I managed to personally communicate with several participants in the events.
                1. 0
                  17 January 2023 21: 24
                  Anton, good evening!
                  My deep respect drinks
    2. -3
      17 January 2023 17: 43
      The Jews, unlike us, know what they are fighting for.

      I also know, and my friends are there in the NWO.
      What is most interesting is that exactly for the fact that the Jews.
      If you (or anyone else) think otherwise, you are simply stupid.
      Even if Sechin or others like them think they are fighting for something else, they are stupid
      Even the Supreme, if he thinks that we are fighting for something else, is stupid.
      1. +2
        17 January 2023 18: 25
        Well, explain to me, stupid, why are we fighting? For one and the Supreme.
      2. +1
        17 January 2023 18: 48
        Quote: bk316
        The Jews, unlike us, know what they are fighting for.

        I also know, and my friends are there in the NWO.
        What is most interesting is that exactly for the fact that the Jews.
        If you (or anyone else) think otherwise, you are simply stupid.
        Even if Sechin or others like them think they are fighting for something else, they are stupid
        Even the Supreme, if he thinks that we are fighting for something else, is stupid.

        If 10 people have 10 different answers to the question about the goals of the NWO, then this means that no one knows the answer to the question. Even if all 10 are piously sure of their rightness.
  12. +6
    17 January 2023 06: 20
    Starting January 1, military enlistment offices receive bases for the draft contingent, which contain various information, including whether a person is unemployed. Here the unemployed could be called up for semi-annual fees.
    1. +4
      17 January 2023 06: 38
      I would like to know where these military registration and enlistment office bases come from! I explain what state body is engaged in this?
      1. +4
        17 January 2023 09: 51
        You can make a request to the FSB at your place of residence. I'm sure it will satisfy your curiosity)
        1. +2
          17 January 2023 13: 15
          Quote from: navycat777
          You can make a request to the FSB at your place of residence. I'm sure it will satisfy your curiosity)

          FSB on this request will simply send ... not their profile!
    2. +2
      17 January 2023 08: 26
      I didn’t catch something about a scam - now-tynts and they are already rowing into the army from 18 to 30 adits?
      what kind of play on words is this - in a mixed scheme ??? and how many of those mixed schemes)))
      1. +2
        17 January 2023 12: 51
        And you doubted that the draft age would be raised to 30 right now, with a stroke of the pen, but the lower limit is up to 21 years ... somehow later. After all, this requires serious preparation, the creation of a regulatory framework, the study of the issue ...
    3. +3
      17 January 2023 10: 24
      Quote from: navycat777
      whether the person is unemployed. Here the unemployed could be called up for semi-annual fees.

      What does "unemployed" mean? Which are officially registered? So those are a minority. Or those who don't work...
      1. 0
        17 January 2023 11: 44
        So they wrote to you in the FSB, contact them, they will answer you laughing hi
      2. -1
        17 January 2023 12: 53
        Well, you yourself answered the question - who and according to what principle will be called in the first place. If these "primary" are not enough to fulfill the order, they will row everyone in a row.
    4. +1
      17 January 2023 18: 25
      Then a bunch of pseudo-unemployed would immediately get a job.
      1. 0
        17 January 2023 18: 32
        Well, at least for the first time in my life I would pay taxes. Everything is a plus.
  13. +11
    17 January 2023 06: 25
    Now it all comes down to a banal trench warfare, in which the winner is not the one who has more missiles and bombers, but who has more infantry.

    What kind of nonsense?
    If the Armed Forces of Ukraine had at least a million people in the trenches, but without drones, anti-tank weapons, MLRS, artillery and reconnaissance, they would be wiped into dust.
    The point is precisely the effective combination of superiority in manpower + lag (but small) in technology + excellent intelligence.
    1. +4
      17 January 2023 08: 12
      Quote: Denis812
      If the Armed Forces of Ukraine had at least a million people in the trenches, but without drones, anti-tank weapons, MLRS, artillery and reconnaissance, they would be wiped into dust.
      Without the help of the West, the Armed Forces of Ukraine would quickly be blown away hi
      1. +6
        17 January 2023 08: 40
        And a very important fact, in fact, the Armed Forces of Ukraine until 2014 are an analogue of our army until February 2022! Everything is beautiful, bright, on paper we are the most ..., shows, etc. Ukraine began to fight in 2014, and as you know, an army appears in a war, and with the beginning of 2022, we were met not by a military group in the Crimea, as we wanted, but by an army that does not need to be deployed and trained! Considering our stupid jerk, they really broke into us, and then they saw what we really represent. They were preparing for war, but we are not! And as usual, we saw our wretchedness, so we get out! And the future cannot be created without the present, it is not harmful to dream! One thing pleases, amers and shaves, their sixes are no better.
  14. +11
    17 January 2023 06: 34
    Andrei Kartapolov, head of the Duma Defense Committee, believes that the Russian mobilization system meets all modern challenges and threats.

    Everything you need to know about the control system.
    The fact that the conscription of the mobilized is not according to the registered specialties does not matter, he studied as a tanker - go into the infantry, and vice versa.
    Those. we are citizens, we spent money on a specific VUS of a specific specialist, and the leadership of the Armed Forces continues to squander it, sending people who are not in their specialty to the service.
    1. +4
      17 January 2023 13: 05
      So then, as usual, they will present it as heroism. We all read about the sailors who fought on land, whom the Germans seem to have even called the "black death" (so in our historiography, at least). And after all, few people think what this means - the country spent a lot of money on the training of naval specialists - minders, gunners, ship's electricians, who were used as infantry. Moreover, they were taught actions on land for the sake of formality, no more, that is, the infantrymen of them were none by definition. What can I say - they could not even provide them with a uniform of a protective color, and a fighter in black is an excellent target.
      And over the decades, if anything has changed, it’s only for the worse - there have already been repeated reports of military correspondents, mobilized themselves, that they were taught to be artillerymen, mortarmen (they were taught semi-formally, not enough, but still), and you have to fight as infantry. And those who lead our army in such a way are absolutely sure that it will be as always - in ... they will write off everything, and they will not have to answer for anything. And as our history shows, most likely they will be right.
  15. +5
    17 January 2023 06: 36
    All this from a series with the stigma "Need" and fantasies. Implementation is possible under the conditions that everything that was destroyed in the USSR must be returned and recreated. Israel did not come up with anything on this issue, except for a more total attitude to the service, in particular, it did not bother with the women's issue, equality is so equality! And in our country everything is lost and destroyed, spirituality and patriotism are also from a series of posters, the system is rotting ... moreover, destroying what is left! Who does not agree, name what we have left of the realities, what we were proud of and what we can be proud of now! Yachts and temples do not count!
    1. +1
      17 January 2023 13: 17
      it is necessary to return and create again everything that was destroyed in the USSR

      But all this, by and large, was not destroyed in 1991, and not even in 1985, but by the 70s, the whole ideology of the USSR degenerated into a farce, because the top was rotten with might and main, and all the people saw it perfectly, and accordingly belonged to the beautiful slogans sounding from the high tribunes from the lips of these degenerates.
      Before calling for the revival of the ideology of that country, it is necessary to answer the question - how to prevent the inglorious late period of the USSR from repeating in the end, when everything around was slipping into imitation and fraud.
      PS Nonsense on the topic that a miserable bunch of traitors ruined a great and powerful country that does not have any systemic problems, please do not voice it. This doesn't happen.
      1. 0
        17 January 2023 13: 28
        Before calling for the revival of the ideology of that country, it is necessary to answer the question - how to prevent the inglorious late period of the USSR from repeating in the end, when everything around slipped into imitation and fraud

        Yes, it is much cooler to live in the glorious period of the Russian Federation with general mobilization and there is no money, but you hold on, you were not asked to be born, and pasta always costs the same ....
        When you tell a legend about a terrible life in the late USSR, consider what kind of scribe you have brought the Russian Federation to now
        1. -1
          17 January 2023 15: 03
          So the Russian Federation, from the 90s to the present, is just a product of the further degradation of the late USSR. Most of those who ruled in the 90s are representatives of the highest strata of the party and economic nomenclature of the USSR, and those who replaced them in the 2000s are their heirs, selected and nurtured by them. In 91, there was neither a revolution nor a counter-revolution, just those who had been plundering the USSR for many years were tired of pretending to still live according to the laws of a socialist society, so the decorations that had been in order by that time were discarded like an old rag. And the vast majority of the population took it for granted. Maybe because behind these scenery for 15-20 years by that time there was the same thing?
  16. +7
    17 January 2023 06: 44
    The entire state system will have to be changed. I believe that only people who are ready to defend the country with weapons in their hands, raising children to replace them and paying taxes,
    may have the right to vote, own property, engage in entrepreneurship.
    1. +5
      17 January 2023 07: 08
      Quote: Michael1970
      The entire state system will have to be changed.

      Ek, you immediately took it cool !!! And who will lead? How can a leader go into the trenches, into the mud, and with a shovel, or even, God forbid, with a machine gun???
      In the morning I smear a sandwich -
      Immediately thought: what about the people?
      And the caviar does not climb into the throat,
      And brandy does not pour in your mouth!
    2. +2
      17 January 2023 08: 07
      Quote: Michael1970
      The entire state system will have to be changed. I believe that only people who are ready to defend the country with weapons in their hands, raising children to replace them and paying taxes,
      may have the right to vote, own property, engage in entrepreneurship.

      My friend, we will no longer have the USSR, unfortunately .. there will be "Russian" capitalism, and under it your theses are impossible .. besides, will women also be unable to own property? Is entrepreneurship a great bonus in your opinion? such a relaxed state when money is pouring on you in bundles, as soon as you call yourself an entrepreneur?
      1. 0
        5 March 2023 19: 51
        On the issue of real estate ownership by women who do not raise children. Why encourage dead ends in evolution? Entrepreneurship is, first of all, responsibility for one's activities. If a person does not want to be responsible for the defense of his country, then his entrepreneurship will be irresponsible.
    3. 0
      18 January 2023 17: 33
      I believe that only people who are ready to defend the country with weapons in their hands, raising children to replace themselves and paying taxes, can have the right to vote, own property, and engage in business.

      It sounds a bit fascist. Although Aloizych's book "Mein Kampf" is forbidden, and I did not have a chance to read it, something tells me that such thoughts clearly appeared in it.
    4. 0
      19 January 2023 22: 59
      Unfortunately, the idea of ​​such elections, where an academician (in your example, a warrior) has more votes than a marginal one, is an unrealizable utopia. But there is definitely a sound grain in your words.
      But with taxes, you can definitely do something.
      1. 0
        5 March 2023 10: 03
        History knows examples of more radical changes than those proposed by me.
  17. +7
    17 January 2023 07: 06
    What is one, what is the second - harmful garbage and stupidity!
    The first will pull out young workers with some kind of experience from production (hello economy), and young husbands, and even fathers from families (hello demographics)! And the second, even with intensive competent training (which turned out to be beyond the strength of the army), will pull up the rifleman at most in a month.
    Naturally - fools are worse than enemies!
  18. +6
    17 January 2023 07: 28
    The idea is utopian, alas. Russia is not Israel. Drive everyone away…Ha! Is there a resource base? No. 300 thousand people somehow dressed, and much at their own expense, hastily prepared and sent someone somewhere, mainly to rear units, thank God. As an example, one of the formed artillery regiments of the Pacific Fleet (or the 5th Army, which is more likely) arrived without guns. The battery of "Geocinths" was brought. This is what I meant by the lack of material base.
  19. +7
    17 January 2023 07: 32
    The idea is, of course, sound. But it needs careful consideration. To begin with, I propose to try out what was proposed on the sons of State Duma deputies, the sons of government members, officials and oligarchs. And - for all without exception. This can immediately kill several birds with one stone: First, run the idea, so to speak, experimentally. Secondly, to identify those who at the moment are, if not an opponent of the course taken by the government, then they do not approve of it. Thirdly, some of those who did not serve and do not have the appropriate skills will serve. And these same skills will receive. After some time, we will have a unit capable of reinforcing troops in the NVO zone. To do this, after 6 months of service, all those called up as part of this experiment are transferred to a contract.
  20. +4
    17 January 2023 09: 03
    It is high time for Sobolev to retire, and it would not hurt to treat his head.
  21. -3
    17 January 2023 09: 32
    Israeli scenario - total military training for Russians
    . The armed forces must be increased, strengthened, such are the circumstances, a vital necessity.
    It will be hard, that's for sure, but there's no other way.
  22. +5
    17 January 2023 09: 46
    Now it all comes down to a banal trench warfare, in which the winner is not the one who has more missiles and bombers, but who has more infantry.

    Well, everything is clear, we grind the people further, according to a clear plan
  23. +3
    17 January 2023 10: 05
    It doesn't work that way in a country where the elites are ideologically and socially completely cut off from the rest of the population. And this is not a Russian problem, but a problem of any large country.
  24. +9
    17 January 2023 10: 08
    Just a wonderful article, thanks to the author, he was able to describe our beautiful and near future.

    So, on the one hand, those who served will be preparing for the war with NATO, and they will not be preparing for long. Those who did not serve will be preparing longer.
    I think it should be added that all of them will have to parade a couple of times a year, as in North Korea, past the stands, where Messrs. Kartapolov, Sobolev and Tolmachev will greet them from the stands, waving their hands.

    No, of course, IMHO, V. Sobolev himself, whose face became available to me thanks to this article, and his opponents Kartapolov and Tolmachev, IMHO, will not climb into the trenches either. And something tells me that everything will be fine with their children and grandchildren.

    You can use the folk wisdom attributed to General Lebed: "Let me recruit a company of children of the elite and the war will be over in a day".
    But, obviously, this is not our way. As Maria Zakharova says, attributing these words to Margaret Thatcher, "as an example, she said that in 1991, former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher said in Houston that "according to the estimates of the world community, it is economically feasible for only 15 million people to live in Russia""
    https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/5b23fe2f9a7947ce6e221179
    The idea announced by citizen Zakharova is very difficult to implement. But citizens Sobolev, Kartapolov and Tolmachev will not leave Zakharova without help.

    The author of the article, of course, succeeded in comparing Israel and the Russian Federation.
    Both countries are undoubtedly similar in a military sense - just as Israel was almost cut into two parts by the Syrians in 1973, so the Russian Federation, apparently, should be afraid of the same (here I have a problem: there is no analogy with the Syrians, and the Russian Federation is somewhat more than Israel).
    Just as well, the author managed to show the whole inconsistency of the idea of ​​​​a professional army. As they say, everything new is well forgotten old. Recruitment kits, a month or six months of training - and you can fight NATO, the main thing is more infantry - a great idea, author, bravo!
  25. +5
    17 January 2023 10: 26
    For 30 years, everyone survived as best they could. And someone enriched himself and took children and money abroad.
    And suddenly the negative selection of rulers pressed and they remembered:
    And it would be nice to drive ordinary Russians to the training camp. Yes for free.

    Now they will think. So-so. But for sure they will call. It’s not for the authorities themselves to climb into the trenches ...
  26. -2
    17 January 2023 10: 50
    To begin with, it is necessary to make training more effective - for conscripts, contract soldiers and cadets. It is obligatory to check the results of training by an independent commission with video recording. As a result, appropriate rewards or punishments for teachers and trainees.
    In my opinion, it is necessary to recreate the cropped units, but with specific reservists assigned to them and annual monthly fees (but not in the spirit of "partisans").
    1. +2
      17 January 2023 12: 22
      And how is the punishment for conscripts? Force to serve urgent (one, two, three) until the tests are passed or what?
  27. +7
    17 January 2023 11: 02
    “The entire male population of a certain age is our mobilization reserve, but what is its quality?”

    I would advise Mr. General to start with his loved ones, that’s where the quality definitely needs to be checked. First, you need to change all of you, brains swollen with fat, retrograd blockheads, who would not even be trusted with a herd of sheep in a modern army. What can you teach there?
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  29. +6
    17 January 2023 11: 56
    How unlucky the Americans were in Iraq, this article with the statements of Mr. General contained in it did not have time to come out, and they themselves did not guess about the large number of "pihoda" and even "highly motivated" and did everything the old fashioned way - with high-precision missiles and carpet bombing. laughing And Mr. General does not seem to be sitting on the priest, as people usually do, but on his head, and you see, he spent a little time. And I’m very interested in how under capitalism we will have “highly motivated” citizens, when some from the military department are in the trenches, while others drive around Dubai without remembering all sorts of “no money ..., the state doesn’t owe you anything ..., "and other" pasta "?.
  30. -5
    17 January 2023 12: 30
    Immediately build a MILITARY state. No democracies, deputies, oligarchs and capitalists. Confiscate everything clean for the production of military equipment. Yes, honestly.
  31. +6
    17 January 2023 12: 32
    When announcing what the author proposes, half of the population will simply move out, run across, crawl out, swim out to neighboring countries. Especially people with large families. There, the wives are quickly motivated to collect belongings and go to the nearest Turkey. IT people have already dumped, doctors, engineers and other comrades with higher education will dump at such a pace. Then there will really be a trench war, because there will be nothing but machine guns
  32. +5
    17 January 2023 12: 44
    The author of the article refers to the Israeli experience, but they have several fundamental differences from our system:
    1) Conscription service is compulsory for everyone. In Israel, it is difficult to get out of service. Almost everything works. We have 10%
    2) You can get into officer schools only after several months of service in a sergeant position (private - sergeant school - service as a sergeant - school)
    3) There are no military departments as a system element. University students receive a deferment, but after graduation they are drafted into the army. Graduates with some specialties after completing their studies receive an officer rank. These are specialists, not combat units.

    I tried to summarize the Israeli experience a bit here:
    https://aftershock.news/?q=node/1193128
    In relation to our realities, you can try something like this system:
    - 6 months of conscription service with minimal opportunities to evade. Basic intensive training.
    - for those who have proven themselves - a contract and a school of sergeants
    - for worthy sergeants - the possibility of entering the officer's school
    - accelerated training of junior lieutenants (8 months). Professionals take longer to train
    - additional mandatory training for officers as they advance in the service

    Potentially, we can relatively quickly create a trained mobilization reserve and restore the number of junior officers. But this is a serious breakdown of the entire army system. It will take a lot of instructors (preferably with NVO experience), a breakdown in the officer training system, and so on.
  33. +2
    17 January 2023 13: 00
    Something special enthusiasm in the comments is not visible. And where did everyone who wants to reach the Polish border go?
    1. +3
      17 January 2023 15: 15
      Something special enthusiasm in the comments is not visible. And where did everyone who wants to reach the Polish border go?

      Mow under the Moscow Region, in order to reach the Polish border, you must not be embarrassed to cover the cities of Xoxland with carpet bombing, and not shout about your people. Immediately, they simply once again decided to grind the population of the Russian Federation
      1. +1
        17 January 2023 15: 22
        Mow under the Moscow Region, in order to reach the Polish border, you must not be embarrassed to cover the cities of Xoxland with carpet bombing, and not shout about your people. Immediately, they simply once again decided to grind the population of the Russian Federation


        So what is the purpose of the NWO then?
      2. -1
        17 January 2023 23: 04
        do not be shy about covering the cities of Xoxland with carpet bombing

        For carpet bombing, the possibility of aviation operations is needed, and the unsuppressed Ukrainian air defense does not provide this opportunity.
  34. +8
    17 January 2023 13: 17
    Hmm. While the United States is trying to prevent China from developing technology faster than itself, we argue that infantry with AKs is more effective than mass missile strikes. Instead of loitering ammunition and at least a couple of thousand calibers, shooters and sappers will be trained.
    "Is this insanity? - No, this is RUSSIA!" :(
    1. +3
      17 January 2023 13: 47
      But someone there said that our goal was: "Russia during the time of Nicholas 2."
  35. +1
    17 January 2023 13: 57
    While the State Duma and the rest of the brethren will decide how much, when and how many years, it is necessary now to approximately determine the number of l / s (it is clear that it is difficult) and call for 3 monthly fees, additional training, retraining (not useful well) in case of a second wave mobilization. IMHO
  36. +6
    17 January 2023 14: 16
    When planning the NMD, it was necessary to understand that the whole of Europe would be against Russia, due to the supply of weapons to Ukraine. It is not clear what they were thinking about, but after such a miscalculation, the thoughts of retired generals and not only, one sound "more brilliant" than the other. The country needs technology, missiles, UAVs, and the generals think that the Red Army 2.0 or 3.0 will solve all problems ...
    1. +3
      17 January 2023 14: 52
      Our generals are used to the fact that no one will ask them for losses, even millions, especially if they still manage to achieve victory (or what it turns out to give out for it). So when, on the one hand, a loss in the NWO looms (and they can just ask for a loss in full), and on the other, the possibility of winning, at the cost of the lives of many thousands of mobilized, hastily trained and armed with what they could scrape together from the plundered warehouses, the answer for them is obvious - to try to avoid responsibility for the defeat, whatever the price (other people's lives for the vast majority cost much less than their own well-being and career).
  37. +4
    17 January 2023 16: 11
    Maybe first digitize all file cabinets in the military registration and enlistment offices, taking into account the realities (registration, work, family, health), and then make plans on a universal scale? And then you get a show that, in terms of its idiocy and mess, will overshadow the past mobilization. Or do our lampas in the Moscow Region and the State Duma simply work out their salaries, and at least grass doesn’t grow there? It’s all the same to blush then in front of the people to the first person, and they are the brave reformers and builders of the new army of Russia, they think in global state categories that they need this eternally dissatisfied people with everything ...
    1. 0
      17 January 2023 20: 34
      And when I wrote in September that our mobilization will be no better than Khkhlov, how many minuses they gave me, but how it turned out, please excuse me hi
  38. +4
    17 January 2023 16: 37
    member of the State Duma Defense Committee from the Communist Party

    The key phrase here is "from the Communist Party." With all due respect, nothing or practically nothing is solved already. The proposal will remain "under the kumach". The steering wheel is not on the left.
    As for the idea itself, it is hyperabsurd, although there is a sound idea in the basis.
    We must understand that now we have a small and stagnant economy, the question of its ability to support a cadre army of 1.5 million people, which the GDP has conceived, is a very big question. All the same, this is more than 1% of the country's population - these people do not produce anything, but they need to pay (from some funds), and also equip, place, etc. If we “mob” more to help this number, how much? Well, let's say a million. We will already have, taking into account the Russian Guard and other formations, more than 3 million people (about 5% of the population) withdrawn from economic activity. That is, one "silovik" will be supported by 19 people - of which 11 people are who?) Pensaki and children. Of the remaining 8 people, we "LET'S ALLOW" in half - 4 "men and women in their prime", and 4 are pre-retirees, the people, to put it mildly, are mostly not fattening. Most of the pensioners do not participate in the economic activities of the state, as well as most of the children and adolescents, so the "support" of 1 security official will be placed on the shoulders of these, relatively speaking, 8 people - but we will make a fierce assumption and assume that there will be 10 of these people .
    Now let's ask ourselves a question - what is our OBJECTIVE average salary in the country. The figure is about 30k (the state indicates a larger value, so you don’t have to wave your sword making fun of this figure if you are from the province). Resp. for a conditional "silovik" there should be no less than 30k (well, of course, this will be a large figure, but let's say that the state will add something to these 30 at the expense of foreign trade earnings). I am now operating with arithmetic mean numbers, because it is clear that the "mobiles" will fall much less, and the seasoned personnel officers will have much more.
    We take this figure "written with a pitchfork on the water" of 30k - and scatter it into 10 (providers present in the economy). In order for them to contain 1 security officer (spherical in a vacuum), they will have to "keep" from their salary no less than 3k rubles, that is, approx. 10% . Despite the fact that we have extremely cheerful inflation, both focal and cumulative.

    These extremely abstract and inaccurate calculations are enough to understand where such "ideas" will lead us, existing in isolation from the development of our economy, the well-being and productivity of individual people within it. The hat is clearly not for Senka.
    I have now touched only on the issue of "allowance", and not on the issue of supplying this horde.

    We should soberly understand that modern warfare is a war of precision weapons and special operations. But that's not all. And for this we need Industry, Economy and Professionals.
    And not some kind of lapotniks who are constantly pulled for a palliative.

    However, I understand perfectly well that we need NVP and something needs to be done about it. There is a way out - the organization of a system that allows you to receive a significant part of the necessary knowledge remotely or at the place of residence (on the job). God knows how much knowledge, given that now a lot of knowledge is obtained remotely or in sessions. One must meditate in this direction.
  39. +2
    17 January 2023 17: 07
    Well, yes ... the next stage will be carts reinforced with Vladimirov machine guns, and cavalry corps with grenade launchers instead of pikes.
  40. +3
    17 January 2023 17: 40
    I said 30 years ago that until the Russian Federation builds its army according to the Israeli mobplan, there will only be a deterioration in the condition of the RF Armed Forces .. No Caliber and Daggers will help if the top does not learn to trust its people (even armed ones)
  41. +2
    17 January 2023 17: 50
    Dad, even in a week you can already teach something!
    Provided that you engage only in combat training, namely some specific discipline, without being distracted by going to outfits and other economic affairs.
    And in a month you can prepare much better and wider.
    And I also want to add - well, why reinvent the wheel ?? You just need to look around, see how our partners solve this problem, like China, like Vietnam ...
  42. +4
    17 January 2023 18: 16
    IMHO - IMHO - unrealistic in the long term for decades. Those. If you start now, it won't be very soon.
    I will spend a little time explaining some basic concepts regarding the army and the drafting of reservists.
    How is everything arranged? We have a regular army in the region of 160-170 thousand and somewhere around 600 thousand reservists. With the regular army, everything is clear (although there are a lot of draft-age girls). I'm talking about reservists. Just on my personal example. I am no longer in the reserve - I am over 50, but until the age of 40 I was in the reserve. How it works.
    So, all all citizens (with rare exceptions - for health reasons, religious and Arabs) are called up for active service - girls for 2 years - boys for 3. They practically do not paint the grass - they are engaged in combat training and, during breaks, drive Arabs in the territories. We do not have military schools, but worthy ones are selected from conscript soldiers and sent to officer courses and to courses for commanders - sergeants. Those who have finished are returned to their own unit as a commander or officer. Looking ahead - the officer signs a contract for 2-3 years - and after this period he goes into the reserve like all soldiers. Those who want to continue their military career and rise to high ranks have such an opportunity. The bulk of the rank of lieutenant goes to the reserve and becomes a reservist.
    Now, after the dmbel, everyone goes into the reserve and, ATTENTION, every year they are called up for training camps and undergo retraining in their military specialty (I, for example, in self-propelled artillery) - a training ground, shooting, exercises, in short, and for another month (now not every year, but a little less often) to perform all sorts of tasks in the territories as simple motorized riflemen - patrolling, road protection, roadblocks ... this is for 4 weeks - of which one week, the first, - training - a shooting range, communications, the first medical . help, actions alone, as part of a squad ... well, then the actual patrolling and all that.
    All this with officers and soldiers, with whom he still served. Those. a team from the age of 18 until the end of service in the reserve (up to 40 years in combat units and up to 45 in auxiliary units for ordinary soldiers and up to 45-50 for officers). Officers, by the way, grow in ranks during the passage of the reserve service - you can start as a lieutenant and reach the major. This is how the team turns out, and the same self-propelled guns and tanks, trucks and everything else that will be needed in case of war are in storage at the warehouses. Thus, in a couple of days we can "put under arms" up to 600 thousand reservists who will have both experience and coherence in units and units, officers and equipment and, in fact, ready to join the battle.
  43. 0
    17 January 2023 19: 09
    this headline would show in the late 80s! Bubblegum and Levi-Ostrich wanted a damn
  44. +1
    17 January 2023 19: 47
    Something in the USSR of problems with the mob. there was no reserve.
    And now maybe because half of those who are subject to conscription have slacked off?
    Maybe this is where you should start.
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  46. 0
    18 January 2023 15: 41
    Everything that is written correctly and is necessary ... here everything lies in the details, and who, and how and so will do for reporting ...
  47. -1
    18 January 2023 20: 54
    Because of the thoughts of one inadequate, an entire article was born) what fees? Who here will live in such a regime? Some fantasies were lit. You better deal with the question of why 100 thousand people every year spend a year of their lives in the army and what they study there.
  48. 0
    19 January 2023 06: 09
    Take care of your health, no one needs it except you!
  49. +1
    20 January 2023 08: 41
    It seems to me that the problem needs to be solved in a complex, and not to look for a magic wand, the wave of which will immediately fix everything.

    1. Quality of preparation.
    How long the fees and even urgent service should last is a secondary question. Main quality. It is known for certain that in 30 days it is possible to give an acceptable base for combined arms training. At the same time, it is not a secret for many that in a year in the army (or even 2) one can only master the technique of mowing the lawn with nail scissors.
    2. Mass character.
    No matter how cool fees or urgent service are, there will be little sense if only 10% participate in this. A small number of well-trained people is about a contract, not a mobilization reserve.
    3. Prestige.
    If it will be useful and interesting, if it will be for everyone, then the army (collection, term) will no longer be treated in the spirit of “pull out of life for a year / six months / month”. Prestige will increase the motivation of people, both educators and trainees. And without motivation, you won't learn anything anyway.

    Unfortunately, all of the above is not done in one day. But what to do now - it's hard to say.
    Before the Second World War, by the way, there were fees that seriously helped later. Good material about them was on VO back in the summer:
    https://topwar.ru/183517-uchebnye-sbory-1941-mobilizacija-ili-perepodgotovka.html

    Perhaps some fees are the lesser of the evils now, but only the mind needs to be done.
    1. -1
      21 January 2023 17: 41
      Quote: Enverych
      It is known for certain that in 30 days it is possible to give an acceptable base for combined arms training

      Are military professions really as simple as the profession of a janitor, for comparison, training at a vocational school for a turner lasted 2 years and several months, and then for another 20 years there was something to learn at the workplace.
  50. 0
    23 January 2023 11: 22
    All this is useless without impartial level exams: personal, division, part (optional).
    The point is that I served for 2 years and I know the walkie-talkie (outdated), vphr, mine detector, etc. 75% do not know this, some cannot even clean the machine. Although there training for a week. This is all outside of my area of ​​expertise.
    Until our "stupid" generals give up combat (a relic of the 15th century), you can serve at least 30 years.
    Well, as long as the service is a duty (which you didn’t take, and then you will be mobilized again), and not, like the Jews, an honorable duty, for which they come from the United States and Mexico to serve, you don’t need to look up to them.
    1. 0
      4 February 2023 22: 20
      Total fees for several months or even half a year, but how will those who are at the training camps be paid and for what, if, as before, the average monthly salary or income for the time spent at the training camps (and if someone has a low income or no work), then people will be deaf to teaching , everything will turn into coercion. so they don't really learn anything. Payment should be for the result, come pass the standard, get decent pay, a person can drink and smoke, quit and start training, engage in self-education ... and so get carried away

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