US administration official: Ukraine's loss of Soledar and Bakhmut will not affect the course of the conflict

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US administration official: Ukraine's loss of Soledar and Bakhmut will not affect the course of the conflict

US authorities are currently unable to confirm the occupation of Soledar by Russian troops. However, even if Soledar and Bakhmut (Artemovsk) are lost by Ukraine, this allegedly will not affect the course of the conflict itself. This was stated by the official representative of the US presidential administration, John Kirby.

According to Kirby, Russian troops are interested in establishing control over Soledar for two main reasons. First of all, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation consider control over the city as an approach to another goal - the capture of Bakhmut. Secondly, there are salt mines in Soledar. The United States sees this as an economic interest for Moscow, although there has never been a shortage of salt in Russia.



Kirby also stressed that Ukrainian troops will not stop trying to regain control over the territories occupied by the Russian army. Such a statement sounds somewhat reassuring for the West and the Kyiv regime.

It is likely that the United States has already come to terms not only with the loss of Soledar, but also with the imminent prospect of the loss of control over Artemivsk (Bakhmut) by the Ukrainian army. Now the task of Western and Ukrainian propaganda is to convince others that nothing special has happened, that is, to reduce the image risks associated with the defeat of Ukrainian formations in Soledar.

Recall that earlier the American Institute for the Study of War, which is accredited by the US Department of Defense, in a regular report announced that the Ukrainian troops still left Soledar. Now, according to the institute, the city is under the control of the Russian Armed Forces, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine continue to defend themselves outside the city limits.
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  1. +1
    13 January 2023 11: 15
    Of course it won't affect wassat what else can they say to their electorate? It is necessary to justify the invested 100 billion, so they will say that the hohland is winning and that they will enter the Kremlin. But someday they'll know the truth anyway
    1. +1
      13 January 2023 11: 20
      The local electorate does not care about Ukraine. And who will go where. These are the graters of the upper echelon of power in the United States
      1. +5
        13 January 2023 11: 21
        To Ukraine, yes, but not for the budget money invested in it
        1. -5
          13 January 2023 11: 28
          Ordinary Americans don’t care about the budget of their state. What does not concern their pocket, their bank account, is an abstract concept for them. But for a political game, by no means
    2. 0
      13 January 2023 11: 21
      I took it off my tongue, I support it, but they don’t need the “truth”.)
      1. -3
        13 January 2023 11: 36
        But tell me .. You will find out that money was spent from the Russian budget to help some countries in Africa, from which it is neither cold nor hot for ordinary people. Money wasted, in your opinion. What will you do?
    3. +2
      13 January 2023 11: 27
      The US authorities currently cannot confirm the occupation of Soledar ....... even if Soledar and Bakhmut (Artemovsk) are lost by Ukraine, this allegedly will not affect the course of the conflict itself.

      Who needs confirmation? And of course it will not affect the course of the conflict, as long as the United States rules there, and there is still enough slaughter meat.
  2. +7
    13 January 2023 11: 16
    "The loss of Königsberg by the Wehrmacht troops and the crossing of the Oder by the Soviets will not affect the course of the campaign"...
    1. -8
      13 January 2023 11: 23
      Well, to be honest, Soledar is not Koenigsberg, from the word "absolutely", and forcing the Oder is not the right example. Our state and army are not at all what you are trying to reduce that situation and the number of troops, and now
      1. +7
        13 January 2023 11: 28
        Quote from: dmi.pris1
        Well, to be honest, Soledar is not Koenigsberg, from the word "absolutely", and forcing the Oder is not an example.

        What time and scale - such is Koenigsberg. What is the management of the army and the setting of tasks - such is the Oder.
        Quote from: dmi.pris1
        what are you trying to reduce that situation and the number of troops, and now

        In addition, not attaching importance to the loss of a major stronghold in the sandbox is an element of propaganda, and our country passed such an experience of the Goebbels department more than worthy!

        If you have any more questions, ask a colleague hi
        1. -8
          13 January 2023 11: 40
          The loss of a major stronghold? Kherson, not? They took Soledar, well done. Compare the value of Kherson and Soledar? We are not talking about the rest of Izyum and Liman
          1. +2
            13 January 2023 11: 46
            Quote from: dmi.pris1
            Compare the value of Kherson and Soledar?

            In order to remain right, are you ready to attribute to me what I did not say? Please indicate where I wrote this.
            1. -4
              13 January 2023 12: 14
              You are comparing Koenigsberg and Soledar and their significance, but not about Kherson and Soledar, this is my comparison of the significance of events. So, what is more important Soledar or Kherson? And for how long is Soledar taken?
              1. +1
                13 January 2023 12: 25
                Quote from: dmi.pris1
                but about Kherson and Soledar not for you, this is my comparison of the significance of events

                But you are posting this in the context of the discussion of MY comment. So I ask you to separate your development of thought from my thoughts and not pass it off as mine. "Compare the value of Kherson and Soledar?" - this idea of ​​yours is abusive and I ask you not to apply it to me! wassat
                Quote from: dmi.pris1
                So, what is more important Soledar or Kherson?

                I have lost the thread of your narrative, especially since in your head I do not participate in it, I would ask you not to involve me in it laughing
                Quote from: dmi.pris1
                not to be stupid

                Don't show up, you're not being forced.
                Quote from: dmi.pris1
                You are comparing Koenigsberg and Soledar and their meaning

                This is YOUR personal perception, I did not make such a comparison, how can you not understand this? I gave an example of the work of Nazi propaganda of that time and ours. Please calm down and forgive me if I made you nervous, I had no such thoughts, really! drinks
  3. 0
    13 January 2023 11: 17
    First of all, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation consider control over the city as an approach to another goal - the capture of Bakhmut. Secondly, there are salt mines in Soledar.
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    Yes, how could it be without this, you still need to add gasoline to the fire! It will suddenly go out.
  4. +6
    13 January 2023 11: 17
    For the striped Soledar and Artemovsk - nothing, from the word at all ...., just like Oklahoma and Nevada for me - they will be washed away by a flood or carried away by a hurricane .... - nothing .....
    1. +5
      13 January 2023 11: 45
      Quote from uprun
      For the striped Soledar and Artemovsk - nothing, from the word at all ...., just like Oklahoma and Nevada for me - they will be washed away by a flood or carried away by a hurricane .... - nothing .....

      The difference is that you know where Nenwada and Oklahoma are - we all went to school.
      But where are Soledar and Artyomovsk - I'm afraid even Kirby, who spoke about them, does not know. Call Soledar "Solntsedar" in a conversation with him - he will not even notice. And Artyomovsk and Bakhmut are different cities for him.
      Geography is not important for them, but geopolitics.
  5. +9
    13 January 2023 11: 19
    Yes, and the loss of Kyiv will not affect the course of the conflict....Yes, and Lvov....They have the goal of the conflict-a war to the last Ukrainian. And how many of them are scattered around the world
  6. +4
    13 January 2023 11: 22
    Naturally, this will not affect the course of the conflict: Ukraine has been losing and will continue to lose! Yes
  7. +3
    13 January 2023 11: 22
    Did someone expect to hear something different?))) Soon they will start talking, that Solidar is comparable in importance to the village of Kukuyevo and there were only 100 great Spartan Ukrainian soldiers who held back millions of Russian special forces and musicians))))
  8. +7
    13 January 2023 11: 26
    Wangyu, the disappearance of the country of Ukraine from world maps and the appearance of the Kyiv province will not affect the course of the conflict between the USA and NATO with Russia in any way laughing , it will continue am
  9. +4
    13 January 2023 11: 33
    Of course, "it won't affect." Otherwise, why was it created
    anti-Russia-Nazi Ukraine project. The ruin should, in the understanding of the Americans, fulfill its purpose as much as possible. It is a pity only deceived Ukrainian people.
  10. +4
    13 January 2023 11: 36
    Ditch the most trained and combat-ready units, of course, well, how can this affect the course of the war? That was the goal, in general, the goal of the war. Moscow was supposed to fill up everything with corpses, burn all the equipment and kneel before the USA. The main mistake of the West is that they started a long war. The Russian Empire-USSR-Russia did not lose a single such war and always grew in territories based on the results. The Third World War did not end in 1991, it continues. Strange as it may sound, but now Russia has an advantage before the USSR in this war. We stopped feeding the keepers, Russia is closed in on itself. There is no more need to look good in front of the West. And being bad is much easier and cheaper.
  11. +3
    13 January 2023 11: 37
    The loss of Soledar and Bakhmut by Ukraine will not affect the course of the conflict

    Why did they cling to him so much, having lost so much equipment so many people. They themselves admitted the loss of five brigades. Ukrainian brigade of full strength from 4,5 to 5 thousand people. Those. at a minimum, it turns out that they lost 20-25 thousand killed and wounded.
    1. 0
      13 January 2023 15: 20
      Quote: YOUR
      The loss of Soledar and Bakhmut by Ukraine will not affect the course of the conflict

      Why did they cling to him so much, having lost so much equipment so many people. They themselves admitted the loss of five brigades. Ukrainian brigade of full strength from 4,5 to 5 thousand people. Those. at a minimum, it turns out that they lost 20-25 thousand killed and wounded.

      Probably politics. Soon a new meeting in Ramstein. Before that, the defeat of the Ukronazi authorities is very undesirable.
  12. +2
    13 January 2023 11: 44
    John Kirby: the loss of Soledar and Bakhmut (Artemovsk) by Ukraine allegedly will not affect the course of the conflict
    This is the admiral who just the other day said that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are defeating the Russian troops and it remains only to give more weapons to achieve a complete "victory". And today, singing along with Arestovich (admiral and jester), he is trying to say that the loss of Soledar, and later Artemovsk, is nothing, a matter of life. Obviously, tomorrow, writing off Ukraine, the Americans will also calmly say: "It's nothing, it's a matter of life!"
    1. +1
      13 January 2023 15: 18
      Quote: rotmistr60
      John Kirby: the loss of Soledar and Bakhmut (Artemovsk) by Ukraine allegedly will not affect the course of the conflict
      This is the admiral who just the other day said that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are defeating the Russian troops and it remains only to give more weapons to achieve a complete "victory". And today, singing along with Arestovich (admiral and jester), he is trying to say that the loss of Soledar, and later Artemovsk, is nothing, a matter of life. Obviously, tomorrow, writing off Ukraine, the Americans will also calmly say: "It's nothing, it's a matter of life!"

      So it will be ... do not go to a fortune teller. Voices are already being heard there, and what the hell is Ukraine for us.
  13. +3
    13 January 2023 11: 52
    Not entirely true, but: a fisherman bites off the head of an octopus, which means that Kyiv and Lvov must suffer the fate of Carthage. Ideally, of course, Washington, but then the planet Earth will die ...
    1. +3
      13 January 2023 11: 58
      Well yes...

      From across the ocean, presumably, "more visible". But to the great sadness for Uncle Sam, the return of these Russian cities, occupied by armed formations of Kyiv coup d'état and foreign mercenaries, to Russia, in the end, will affect not only the "move", but also the outcome of the NWO ... And very significantly .. .
  14. +2
    13 January 2023 12: 07
    US administration official: Ukraine's loss of Soledar and Bakhmut will not affect the course of the conflict
    . The loss of human resources will also affect the Kukuev side ...
    True, it is not clear what limit they may not survive ... if they skakuas to the last, then everything is bad for them.
    1. +3
      13 January 2023 12: 46
      When the rink is rolling, moving a couple of bumps will not affect the course of the rink to the Polish border
      1. 0
        13 January 2023 14: 42
        Ideally, the skating rink can roll, but it cannot drive into the parebrik, unless a bulldozer pushes it from behind.
        Let's put it this way... our skating rink is not as big as it used to be, although on the other hand, the parebriki, the current ones, are still flimsy.
        Time will tell, we have the right skating rink, we can push it, as it is necessary, or the parebriki, in front, will become higher and stronger.
    2. +1
      13 January 2023 15: 16
      Quote: rocket757
      US administration official: Ukraine's loss of Soledar and Bakhmut will not affect the course of the conflict
      . The loss of human resources will also affect the Kukuev side ...
      True, it is not clear what limit they may not survive ... if they skakuas to the last, then everything is bad for them.

      The loss of Soledar and Artyomovsk will clearly reduce the desire to die among Ukrainians, it is not clear why.
      1. 0
        13 January 2023 15: 31
        Skakuas and all the rest were brainwashed by experienced, treacherous guys ... otherwise, where did so many bad people come from ??? There could not be too many home-grown ones, the bulk is always amorphous, neither fish nor meat, but now they are tied with the same blood, ideas and other nonsense.
        It is not clear how many can be cured, brains to rule ... and the rest, incurable, what to do with???
        Time and work, not everyone heals, corrects, alas.
  15. +2
    13 January 2023 12: 36
    Well, let the sponsors of the Kyiv junta immediately write that the liberation of the entire territory of Ukraine from their vassals will also not affect the course of events in the NWO.
    In the meantime, in the telegram channels of military correspondents they write that PMC "Wagner" is storming the railway station "Sol". It is reported that the railway depot on the territory of the station has already been cleared.
  16. +2
    13 January 2023 13: 16
    Secondly, there are salt mines in Soledar. The US sees Moscow's economic interest in this, although there has never been a shortage of salt in Russia.
    Damn, that’s because mattress covers measure everyone by themselves, they themselves pull oil from Syria quietly. And "we just have heaps of this shoe polish" (that is, salt). For a whole month they fought to take away salt from poor Ukrainians. How are they going to make salo now? Still need to stock up on yeast...
  17. +1
    13 January 2023 13: 40
    I am of the opinion that the Russian army can be put on the defensive in advantageous and well-fortified orographic positions in order to bleed the Ukrainian army, while continuing to destroy the Ukrainian economy. If, for political reasons, one wants to continue the attack on the liberation of Dombass, without waiting for the complete collapse of Ukraine from an economic point of view, then military science cannot return to the times of the First World War. Has the Russian army forgotten about the tactics of encirclement and destruction used during World War II? Armored troops are not used as a strike force accompanied by infantry and covered artillery to break through the front. It is a prehistoric war, similar to the war between Iran and Iraq, with fewer infantry and more modern weapons, with costly frontal attacks to liberate a small town. What's the matter. Where are the Frunze exercises and the prestigious Soviet and Russian military academies? You are on the wrong path, you will have to change drastically.
  18. +1
    13 January 2023 15: 13
    Of course, it will not affect, the course of the conflict is steadily moving towards the defeat of the Nazi-Bandera Ukraine.
  19. 0
    14 January 2023 22: 47
    they say that yes, it is not fatal from the point of view of the territory, but what a moral hazard! So much to defend and in the end still lose the city.
  20. 0
    15 January 2023 10: 44
    Recall that earlier the American Institute for the Study of War, which is accredited by the US Department of Defense, in a regular report announced that the Ukrainian troops still left Soledar. Now, according to the institute, the city is under the control of the Russian armed forces, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine continue to defend themselves outside the city limits.

    and even earlier this center said - the Russians will not take Soledar ...

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