Victory ahead. Soledar is just a stage of struggle

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Victory ahead. Soledar is just a stage of struggle

How we miss the victories. We even forgot how to read from the desire to win. After the head of the musicians announced the establishment of control over Soledar, I read hundreds of messages about the victory. We took!.. We defeated!.. We won!..

How I would like it to be that way. But, alas, Yevgeny Prigozhin said exactly what he said. PMC Wagner established control over Soledar. They expelled part of the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and occupied strongholds. But a fairly large part of the VSUk remaining in the city went into the dungeons, into the mines. And there is nothing less than about 200 km of these same dungeons.



And picking out these fanatics will not be any easier than it was in Mariupol. If in Mariupol the core of the enemy units were the fascists from Azov, then in Soledar this core is precisely the fanatics and mercenaries. The remains of just those elite units and formations that were driven from other sectors of the front to plug holes.

If you fight on the map, then everything looks quite beautiful. Opportunities open up there, we can reach such and such a settlement (points). It seems that there is a possibility of real fulfillment of the task set by the Commander-in-Chief to liberate the entire territory of the DPR ...

Indeed, we have cracked a fairly serious line of defense. Indeed, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have lost the strategic initiative. Indeed, we can return the positions left in the fall. We can, we can, we can... I think it's worth reflecting on what lies ahead.

A blow to the ideology and morale of Ukrainian society


Today, the main result of taking control of Soledar is, first of all, a blow to the moral and psychological state of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and Ukrainian society as a whole. Moreover, this is a blow to the picture of war that has been created in Western society.

A picture where the valiant Armed Forces of Ukraine are smashing the Russian units, where Russia is on the verge of an internal conflict, and possibly an imminent collapse, where the Russian "Ivans" stand in positions armed with spears against excellent Western weapons.

Kyiv, Brussels and Washington understand this very well. Those 25 thousand dead, which Rodion Miroshnik announced on Russian TV, were thrown into a meat grinder for a reason. These are precisely “ideological sacrifices”. Those thanks to whom Zelensky supported the legend, which held a lot. And these are not the last losses of Ukraine in this area.

I enjoyed watching Western countries suddenly stop playing democracy. How long did the same Poles and Germans discuss the issue of supplying Leopards to Kyiv? We will deliver, we won't deliver... And what happened shortly after Prigozhin's announcement?

There was a shout from Washington: “Stop talking and start deliveries! Sit and talk and that's enough." Moreover, images of weapons that are already in Ukraine appeared in various Telegram channels, but the decision on the supply was made only a day before.

That is, the West is working according to the same scheme that the Americans have been working all this time. At the beginning they deliver, and then they announce the deliveries. We have already discussed this scheme on the pages of VO. This is just confirmation.

Many have already noticed how the tone of statements by Zelensky and other talking heads from Kyiv has changed. More recently, Soledar and Artemovsk were compared with Mariupol and even with Kyiv, and suddenly “these cities, from a tactical and strategic point of view, are not so important for the defense of Ukraine". It turns out that those who died in Soledar were engaged in "disposal of the Russian army».

Even more revealing are some of Kyiv's actions. There are almost no reports in the press about those units that were redeployed due to huge losses of personnel. The reason for the lack of interest in this topic is quite simple.

The remnants of the battered brigades are being redeployed to the north, to the border with Belarus. And fresh units, respectively, are moving to the Donbass. Thus, Kyiv is trying to minimize the dissemination of truthful information about the state of affairs in the area of ​​Artemovsk and Soledar.

The musicians did their best, now it's up to the army units


The fact that the musicians have done the impossible is a fact. Capturing Ukrainian oporniki at night is worth a lot. I will not discuss this topic. Heroes, that says it all. By the way, I cannot advise the Wagner command, but I will express one thought, which, I am sure, arises in many.

Contracts with fighters are an internal matter of the company. We cannot and should not venture into this sphere. But there is one more nuance that we can and should voice. It concerns the personal freedom of musicians, those very convictions that hang until the end of the contract, regardless of how the fighter fights. Isn't it time to remember the experience of the Great Patriotic War?

The fighter is fighting heroically - amnesty for the hero. He concludes a contract with PMCs - and nothing changes here. But the fact that he is already fighting as a free man is quite important. Not amnesty for a disabled person who has not received a serious wound, as far as I know, this is being done, but for a hero. Agree, we will give you a medal for courage, but wait with a criminal record - it somehow sounds inhumane.

But back to Soledar. Control over the city does not mean at all that the Armed Forces of Ukraine will so easily put up with its loss. There have already been counteroffensive attempts and there will be more. Yes, we repulsed this attack. Yes, the Ukrainians lost up to 200 people and retreated. So, what is next? And then quite a logical ring. Encirclement and destruction.

The specificity of this ring is that it must be not only internal, but also external. Breakthrough attempts will come from both sides. Musicians can't do it on their own. Yes, it's none of their business. This is the business of the infantry. But those units that are today in this area, in my opinion, are few. It is necessary to replenish the line of contact with fresh units. It's on the outer ring.

The work of clearing the dungeons of Soledar must be given to those who have experience in the destruction of such groups and units in Mariupol. First of all, the divisions of the Russian Guard. More precisely, the Kadyrovites. I do not think that the special forces have forgotten the skills of fighting in a confined space. Musicians are needed in Artemovsk.

We took into account the lesson of Mariupol, so we will act much tougher. There will be no more agreements. In short, the algorithm of actions of the Russian army will be approximately the same as that of the musicians. An offer to surrender and, if not accepted, destruction. Moreover, this algorithm will work on both sides of the ring. Both externally and internally.

Generally speaking, the result of the establishment of control, and later the liberation of Soledar, would be the destruction of the defense system along the Seversky Donets-Toretsk line. The defense system that the Armed Forces of Ukraine have created includes oporniks, which, according to the idea of ​​the Ukrainian military, should become centers of defense, on which the Russians should “break their teeth”. Soledar, Seversk, Artemovsk, Konstantinovka, Druzhkovka, Kramatorsk, Slavyansk…

Prospects for the development of events


What will we get after the final liberation of Soledar? With the tactics used by the Russian Armed Forces today, the issue of cleaning Soledar is a fairly quickly solved problem. But even the establishment of control over this town makes it possible to actually deprive the Artemovsk garrison of the supply of reinforcements, ammunition and food.

I think that the issue of surrendering Artemovsk has already been resolved. In just a few days, we will occupy this city as well. Although it will not be easier to do this than to take Mariupol or Soledar. Mercenaries and regular units of the Polish army are by no means eager to be captured.

And those Ukrainians who are now fighting in Artemovsk are by no means whipping boys. For some reason, many bloggers in our country believe that the majority of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are those who were caught and forcibly sent to fight. Yes, there are many of them, but look at the prisoners, whose harvest is quite plentiful today.

The vast majority are just “mobiles”, almost immediately throwing weapon and raising their hands up. The overwhelming majority of those who continue to resist are seasoned fighters who have been fighting for more than one day. Behind which there are a lot of things, including military crimes.

And the fact that the prosecutor's office of the republics very scrupulously deals with every shelling, every crime of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they are well aware. Alas, the well-known principle “war will write everything off” does not work in Donbass. The names, places of service and even often the places of residence of those who commit crimes are known.

The next city to fall soon, perhaps even in parallel with Artemovsk, will be Seversk. The Armed Forces of Ukraine will not be able to hold this city for a long time. Approximately for the same reasons that Artemovsk will be surrendered. And there they will begin to grind military units and subdivisions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine quickly enough.

The frontier for which we will have to fight seriously is the defensive midfielders in Kramatorsk and Slavyansk. Unfortunately, the liberation of the territories of the republics will be accompanied by huge destruction of cities and towns. This is a completely conscious policy pursued by Kyiv. Something from the series "so don't get you to anyone."

What's important for today


It is too early to talk about any results. The fact that the defense system has been broken is a fact. The fact that the Armed Forces of Ukraine is demoralized, too. Even the fact that Kyiv needs not only weapons and equipment, but also "volunteers" to continue the war is also a fact. It is also a fact that the US and Europe are not yet ready to stop the war. They need a war in Ukraine.

The West, unlike us, acts quickly. And it doesn't work the way we do. Make a decision about the supply of something after the fact. And already today we see a lot of what should be delivered "tomorrow". This means that no one removes the task of destroying logistical routes. I think that in parallel with the liberation of the territory of the republics, we will destroy the infrastructure of Ukraine.

And there will be victories. We won in Mariupol - we will win in Soledar, and further down the list.
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  1. +7
    January 16 2023
    Soledar is just a stage of the struggle. Victory ahead.
    Further Artemovsk, Kramatorsk, Slavyansk, the complete liberation of the Donetsk region. And then ? Looking forward to elections in Ukraine?
    1. +14
      January 16 2023
      Eh, hurry to crush this reptile. Donetsk at least breathe freely!
      1. +4
        January 16 2023
        Victory ahead. Soledar is just a stage of struggle

        Yes. "Achievements" on the face: not even a year has passed ... recourse
        1. +4
          January 16 2023
          and it hasn't even been a year.

          I have two friends, young guys, who died precisely because of the haste of the command. In summer. Probably their battalion commanders are the same "but what's the difference" reproached that the peacekeeper was under fire for six months. By the way, my friend received as many as 3 wounds (he was treated and returned) in the process of evacuating civilians from their liberated villages. They literally had to be scratched out of the basements, although everyone was warned in advance about the evacuation.
          Well, yes, this is such a national trait - there is an apartment in Moscow, children and grandchildren are here, he can hardly walk, shells fly into the yard, but to whom will I leave the cattle ....
    2. 0
      January 17 2023
      Then there will be Kharkiv, Sumy and Chernihiv.
  2. +37
    January 16 2023
    From the title, without reading the article, I realized that the article was written by Staver. I am writing a comment without reading the article - I am sure, according to A. Staver, now, thanks to the capture of the ruins in Soledar, we have formed the largest "victory". I will read the article, if this is not so, I apologize.
    1. +16
      January 16 2023
      Correctly written.
      I am generally amazed at such attention to this urban-type settlement with ~ 10 inhabitants before the war. I look at the map, there is no strategic value. Before the war, no one knew this city at all. Just an attempt to show that we are advancing somewhere. At the front of a couple of thousand kilometers, we are advancing on a couple of tens of kilometers ...
      There are 27 cities in the Donetsk region. If you spend 4 months on each city, 9 years of war will come out on Soledar.

      Avdiivka
      Bahmuth
      Belitskoe
      Belozerskoe
      Miner
      Dobropole
      Druzhkovka
      Zaliznoe
      Konstantinovka
      Kramatorsk
      Kurakhovo
      Krasnogorovka
      Estuary
      Maryinka
      Mirnograd
      Mykolaivka
      Novogrodovka
      Pokrovsk
      Rodinsky
      Svyatogorsk
      Seversk
      Selidovo
      Slavyansk
      Toretsk
      Ugledar
      Ukrainian
      Chasov Yar
      1. +8
        January 16 2023
        coldwind. Well, you are too much. Did you know anything about Soledar? Apparently they didn't go to the store. Even before the start of the NWO, I bought salt for the house (Artemovsk), mined just in Soledar.
      2. +2
        January 16 2023
        Quote from cold wind
        I am generally amazed at such attention to this urban-type settlement with ~ 10 inhabitants before the war. I look at the map, there is no strategic value. Before the war, no one knew this city at all. Just an attempt to show that we are advancing somewhere. At the front of a couple of thousand kilometers, we are advancing on a couple of tens of kilometers ...


        Wrong.
        Under these conditions, Soledar is of strategic importance.
        The capture of Soledar led to the capture of Bakhmut and he will share the fate of Soledar until the end of the month.
        After taking Bakhmut, we have two options:
        1. Advance to the west, covering and capturing Toretsk.
        2. Advance to the north with access to Kramatorsk and Slavyansk and the simultaneous encirclement and capture of Seversk.

        I want to emphasize that the success of our army in any of the above options is practically guaranteed. The Armed Forces of Ukraine simply have nothing to cling to in these areas.
        Theoretically, we can even attack in both directions at the same time. The only question is whether there is enough strength for it.
        In fact, Bakhmut-Soledar has the same strategic importance as Popasnaya. No wonder they fought for Popasnaya for several months. But then, when they took it, we quickly and without any problems took Lisichansk and Severodonetsk.
        1. +8
          January 16 2023
          1. Coverage is not environment. We did not take any strategic road. And I’m ready to bet on a liter of foam that by the end of the CURRENT month we won’t take Bakhmut. We won't even surround it. Most likely we will establish fire control over the roads, but I’m not sure.
          2. Where are you going to attack? To the west? What's stopping you today? Toretsk and Bakhmut do not affect each other in any way. Yes, after the capture of Toretsk, what are we globally changing? Let's take PGT?
      3. +1
        January 18 2023
        The capture of Soledar was distinguished by the unprecedented fierceness of the fighting. With unprecedentedly high losses per day, both for the attackers - Wagner, and for the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
        Both the core of the PMC Wagner and the core of two airborne brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were "ground" there.
        This assault on Soledar differs from all previous captures of cities.
        Both the Russian army and the Ukrainians.
    2. +1
      January 16 2023
      Quote: Sergey028
      From the title, without reading the article, I realized that the article was written by Staver

      Similarly, and most likely a lot of the pronoun "I" at any opportunity.
  3. -18
    January 16 2023
    I agree with the author. the hole in the front after the loss of Soledar with the same tactics of the enemy will be aggravated by the loss of Artemovsk. This, in turn, makes the fate of Seversk almost obvious and inevitable. a domino effect occurs. And it will also be accompanied by a loss of morale in enemy units.
    1. +20
      January 16 2023
      Quote: voice of reason
      I agree with the author. the hole in the front after the loss of Soledar with the same tactics of the enemy will be aggravated by the loss of Artemovsk. This, in turn, makes the fate of Seversk almost obvious and inevitable. a domino effect occurs. And it will also be accompanied by a loss of morale in enemy units.


      In principle, I agree with the author, but I caught the point that we will be picking out the APU from the mines for a long time. What nonsense!?
      Fill up with bulldozers all the entrances / exits from the mines.
      And forget.
      1. +10
        January 16 2023
        Many, incl. the author, they believe that he took refuge in the salt mines, and lives there! a lot of APU. They even advise, with the air of a connoisseur, how to smoke them out of there. I have a question, were these commentators themselves really there to be able to see for themselves what was really happening there? Further, there are not just catacombs, but salt ones! caves, and salt, as you know, with prolonged contact corrodes everything it can reach. It's fun to sit for an hour in a salt cave, it helps those who have it, from asthma. But it is impossible to live there for a long time.
      2. +3
        January 16 2023
        It’s easier to put watchmen with machine guns, grenades at the entrances and just wait until they themselves surrender from hunger or maybe eat each other.
    2. +11
      January 16 2023
      There before the domino effect as before Beijing. This is if, after breaking through the defense, we began to advance deep into the defense at least 10-15 km per day. By creating environmental threats and disrupting supplies. And here .. For one "cleaning" at least a week or two. And no one will "blow" into a deep breakthrough. Well, even Bakhmut will lose the APU. Strategically, it does not affect anything. Neither to the flow of weapons, nor to the motivation of the population, nor to the crowds of "volunteer" mercenaries. Unless, of course, we inflict such monstrous losses that the APU as a class would disappear. So far this is not visible.
      And during the time until we "crawl" to the next Soledar there, half the city will be turned into pillboxes and everything will be all over again.
  4. +23
    January 16 2023
    It is not clear what is the depth of the fortified areas, the ratio of losses during the assault, the production capacities of the warring parties. How to evaluate the scale of success achieved .....

    So far, SVO can only be compared with a severe hangover after a 30-year continuous binge .... When the main thought is: "Why did I get so drunk?"
    1. +8
      January 16 2023
      Quote: ivan2022
      So far, SVO can only be compared with a severe hangover after a 30-year continuous binge .... When the main thought is: "Why did I get so drunk?"

      Good analogy! hi
  5. +16
    January 16 2023
    "Musicians" have done the IMPOSSIBLE .. Honor and praise to them. How is this to be understood? It has become impossible for the RF Armed Forces to capture a large stronghold? What is this, a Freudian slip.
    1. +3
      January 16 2023
      This means that there are no forces and means for inflicting deep blows that cut through the enemy’s defenses. None of the warring parties. And we will fight like this for a long time. And this is a strategic task. As the experience of the last 11 months has shown.

      But what happens next will affect us all. And not just Wagner fighters.
      1. +8
        January 16 2023
        I completely agree. This is in defiance of Staver's bravura "defense is broken #". No, not broken. A little torn, and the enemy is by no means demoralized.
      2. +2
        January 16 2023
        Quote: ivan2022
        This means that there are no forces and means for inflicting deep blows that cut through the enemy’s defenses. None of the warring parties. And we will fight like this for a long time. And this is a strategic task. As the experience of the last 11 months has shown.

        But what happens next will affect us all. And not just Wagner fighters.

        How to know? If we do not go to the NWO, perhaps the NWO will come to us.. It cannot go on like this indefinitely.
    2. +5
      January 16 2023
      ""Musicians" did the IMPOSSIBLE .."
      it’s a pity that the staver of the font b () doesn’t have more, what did they do that was impossible? in three weeks of fighting, they squeezed a couple of thousand soldiers out of a tiny little town, and some of them missed it, went into the mines? against the backdrop of the success of the armed forces of the Russian Federation, this is of course a win, but in general, a so-so event, soledar only matters for a seagull-junior, as a competitor in salt. surround the little town, (a couple of battalions are enough for this) and hold it for a couple of weeks - they themselves will come, and they themselves will hand over everything. who doesn’t want to go into the mines. Fill up all the exits, leave two, under direct fire
      1. +1
        January 16 2023
        Have you gone to the mines? Imagine that some midget jumped into a salt shaker with salt. How long do you think he will live there, and if he is also in armor, then what will happen to the armor - it will rust. Anyone who is in any way familiar with navigation knows that a ship rusts from contact with sea water - and that is pure salt.
        1. +10
          January 16 2023
          Quote: mikh-korsakov
          Anyone who is in any way familiar with navigation knows that a ship rusts from contact with sea water - and that is pure salt.

          in fact, sea water and dry salt are, to put it mildly, different things .. in Soledar, in the mines, until recently, weapons depots were stored precisely for the reason that the conditions are good for preservation .. salt absorbs moisture very well - they didn’t think from this side?
          1. +4
            January 16 2023
            Dry salt, in itself, is inert to corrosion, dangerous only when it comes into contact with the skin, greedily absorbs moisture, and in this form becomes aggressive. There is plenty of moisture when people are in a confined space.
      2. -1
        January 17 2023
        So go and show them class, sofaoid. You will take Kyiv from half a pint.
  6. +13
    January 16 2023
    Soledar hmm is 7 times smaller than Bakhmut. Five five-story buildings .. the second army of the world ahh? Or I don’t understand something ... there are still a dozen and a half such Soledars in one DPR ... of course, victories are needed for morale, but the scale confuses me
    1. +2
      January 16 2023
      "of course, victories are needed for morale, but the scale confuses me"
      fishless and cancer
      1. +1
        January 16 2023
        A good crustacean is many times more valuable than an ordinary fish;)
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    2. 0
      January 17 2023
      Soledar hmm is 7 times smaller than Bakhmut. Five five-story buildings ..

      At least ten

      VSE NA FRONT! ZA POBEDY
    3. -1
      January 17 2023
      Soledar took "Wagner". If, in your opinion, they are the 2nd army of the world, then you are.
  7. 0
    January 16 2023
    Author: "The frontier for which we will have to seriously fight is the opposing forces in Kramatorsk and Slavyansk. Unfortunately, the liberation of the territories of the republics will be accompanied by huge destruction of cities and towns. This is a completely conscious policy pursued by Kyiv. Something from the series "this is not get it for no one."

    It is only Kherson that can be surrendered without a fight. To show that we are not.
    1. +5
      January 16 2023
      It is only Kherson that can be surrendered without a fight.
      Kherson, this is different and other motives for delivery. Through Kherson, international shipping is carried out, and these are port dues, registration of ships. In addition, no one canceled the fulfillment of contracts for transshipment of goods. Accession of the Kherson region is not recognized by anyone. And paying fees to the Russian Maritime Administration is a de facto recognition .. So they exchanged Kherson for 8 frozen lards of Abramovich, but we don’t leave our own. Yes, the situation is approximately the same with the Crimean ports, ships enter there under the flags of countries that have recognized Crimea as Russian. Turks also come, but these ships go only along the direct route of the Black Sea, without calling at other ports.
      1. +3
        January 16 2023
        Well, the unfreezing of Abramovich's millions consoles and justifies the lives of our soldiers.
        1. +7
          January 16 2023
          Well, the unfreezing of Abramovich's millions consoles and justifies the lives of our soldiers.
          Most importantly, they didn’t abandon their own ..
    2. -2
      January 16 2023
      Actually, leaving the city without urban battles is normal and correct. And this is within the framework of our military tradition and theory. To stupidly resist and lock the troops in the city is a direct path to their death.
      Suppose the only example of a relatively successful urban battle is Stalingrad (and then, if it were not for the offensive in other areas, the Germans would have crushed it).
      And in all other cases - assault and death / surrender of the garrison:
      - Koenigsberg
      - Ternopil
      - Schneidemuhl
      - Poznan
      - Berlin
      The withdrawal of troops from the city is a reasonable flexibility. The opposite - ultimately leads to losses (killed, wounded, captured) for the defender many times more than for the attacker
      1. +6
        January 16 2023
        Are they going to take Kherson, the regional center of the Russian Federation, back? Or no longer? If yes, then what kind of losses and destruction will there be if the UAF did not even leave the village of Soledar without a fight.
        1. -4
          January 16 2023
          no, they are not going to, why? ..............
        2. +2
          January 16 2023
          Are they going to take Kherson, the regional center of the Russian Federation, back?
          I think not .. as a port, only for inland navigation, for international, only shipyards remain in question .. It seems, for the same reason, they will not take Odessa, Nikolaev .. Therefore, I wrote earlier that a buffer the Ukrainian state, to which the current territories would be slowly annexed. But this buffer would be completely controlled by Russia .. And there, the old fell, the new arose ..
          1. +2
            January 16 2023
            Is the US aware of your plans for a "buffer Ukrainian state"? Are they pumping and pumping billions of dollars into Zelensky's military machine, so that later they can be transferred to the "buffer state"? And since Kherson and Odessa are not suitable for international shipping, then they don’t give a damn about Potemkin and Ekaterina, and everything that was behind it. Kemska parish? Take away! We live in "Russia-Young Country".
    3. -1
      January 17 2023
      Kherson was not handed over, but sold. The text of the comment is too short
  8. +8
    January 16 2023
    "First they supply weapons, and then they announce the deliveries .." And this is not without meaning. And we must first do business, and then speak loudly. But I will not do military affairs. But what's going on in the press, it's just trash. "NATO troops ran headlong from Soledar .." - says a young political scientist, who once again calls for volunteers, but he only wants to speak. There is no war without small and large defeats. And here the reaction of the civilian population to this is also important. If people, like in football, expect only one victory for their team, then there is no limit to their disappointment. And when a society turns into fans, it cannot withstand long trials.
  9. +7
    January 16 2023
    Soledar is just a stage of struggle
    Considering that not all of the DPR has yet been liberated, how many such stages lie ahead and how long it will take, but they talked about the denazification and demilitarization of all of Ukraine ..
    1. -1
      January 17 2023
      how many such stages are ahead and how long it will take

      Explosions, shots, military equipment

      A pleasure to watch
  10. +10
    January 16 2023
    "The Stump Gang is finished!" Ahead, it seems, there are still many victories by the method of frontal assault. A city with a population of more than 10 thousand people was taken.
    It remains to take four cities with a population of more than a million, three with a population of more than half a million, about 30 more than 100 thousand people, about 30 more than 50 thousand, about 70 more than 25 thousand, and about 300 smaller cities.
  11. +13
    January 16 2023
    Soledar is an urban-type settlement ... they spent two months capturing it, laid down several thousand guys ... this village does not even have tactical significance ... only in the Donetsk region there are five more larger cities, I would not shine with optimism ... yes, we simply cannot clean up the entire Donetsk region ... we have neither the strength nor the means
    1. 0
      January 16 2023
      spent two months to take it, laid down several thousand guys
      And VSUk, how much did you grind? The author, in each of his articles, pointed out: we are “grinding” the enemy .. Only this is strange, the enemy, again, disappeared into the casemates and passages, just as they wrote about Artemovsk and about Maryinka .. One gets the impression that the entire occupied part of the DPR is permeated, underground communications.
      1. +16
        January 16 2023
        I always listen to both sides, from the other side they talk about 50 thousand of our dead ... we simply don’t have so many assault teams to lose such numbers ... we just grind Wagner (the only practically combat-ready unit) about the urban settlement and a small town ... what are we going to do next? sit on the defensive for years? and so for almost a year now there has been a bloody push push ... did they come for this? I repeat once again ... our army, alas, turned out to be identical to the country's economy .. you can’t live like Rothschild, and at the same time fight like Stalin .. .
        1. 0
          January 16 2023
          did they come for this?
          For the denazification and demilitarization of the whole of Ukraine ... There are many cities and towns in Ukraine, each for several months ... And there, in a few years, we will complete the task, unless, of course, the goals and objectives change.
          1. +7
            January 16 2023
            They came there to protect the capital of the oligarchy, let's not fool around repeating propagandists ... our oligarchs invested too much in the elite's coming out, and when they began to ask for their own from the periphery, they were sent ... that's all ... everything else is fairy tales about the white bull-calf ... but there was a miscalculation starting from intelligence, ending with the inner circle of the GDP, and we, to put it mildly, did not pull it ... I'm wondering ... with what forces are you going to storm for several months? Why did the mobilization start? Do you think from a good life? Or is it planned so? The personnel army was half-broken, therefore mobilization. And they won’t be able to gather the second wave as cheerfully as the first ... although there were problems there too .... we don’t have so many people for a protracted war of attrition ... and they will have scumbags from all over the world, everything is fine with them and with money and most importantly with motivation ...
            1. +4
              January 16 2023
              They came there to protect the capital of the oligarchy
              No .. even easier, a new redistribution of property has begun, but already at the interstate level. Look who represents the Ukrainian and Russian oligarchy: former bandits or semi-bandits, those who were associated with bandits .. Py.sy. We'll have to put emoticons after some comments.
              1. -2
                January 18 2023
                and even simpler, Russia positions itself as a regional power, this is at least, and it should have its own periphery, on which, in which case, you can always shift your costs, plus this is a sales market and much more ... Ukraine, receiving buns, seemed to agree to be like that, but at the moment she behaved like other allies who were not close by blood, well, that is, like everyone else ... and since they are close and should, then you can ask them ... so they thought in the Kremlin ... but, our specific enemies have already fit in for them, and that's what we have, we have
          2. 0
            January 16 2023
            Parce que vous êtes convaincu qu'il ya des nazis en ukraine?
            L'artisan de l'opération spéciale s'est trompé sur plein de choses...
            Ne croyez vous pas qu'il peut se tromper aussi sur d'autres choses ?
            Comme par exemple une ukraine "infestée" de Nazis?...
            1. +1
              January 17 2023
              non, je ne pense pas. Je suis sûr que vous vous trompez, les européens, lorsque vous répétez pour les journalistes mensongers leurs inventions sur les merveilleux ukrainiens épris de paix, qui ont commencé à offenser le mal Poutine.
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        2. -3
          January 16 2023
          Better to live like Rothschild than fight like Stalin ;)
        3. +1
          January 16 2023
          Nous pleurons plutôt pour 100 garçons russes depuis février.
          Oui, en France nous pleurons car chez nous nous avons eu Verdun et avons perdu 337... Pour rien !
          Et nous savons déjà que les 100 russes tombés en ukraine c'est pour rien!
          1. +1
            January 17 2023
            Il me semble que vous faites semblant, et en fait jubilez, avec les ukrainiens, quand ils commencent à vous raconter des histoires fabuleuses sur le fait que beaucoup de russes ont été tués, et des dizaines de fois plus vont tuer.
          2. +1
            January 17 2023
            Les français près de Verdun ont gardé leur honneur et ont montré un grand courage en réussissant à arrêter l'assaut allemand de fer! Sous Verdun, le symbole de la France insoumise, Genel de Gaulle! Vous ne pouvez pas vous souvenir sans enthousiasme et révérence des exploits des soldats français pres de Verdun ! Et maintenant, leurs arrière-petits-enfants disent qu'ils sont morts en vain. C'est triste de voir une telle société française.
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    2. +8
      January 16 2023
      What 2 months? It was stormed from last summer to January, that is, half a year.
    3. -3
      January 17 2023
      Soledar is a city. Or have your manuals about the farm been lowered in your TsIPSO?
  12. +11
    January 16 2023
    Staver thinks, Staver "Wanguet"! Would shut up.
  13. +5
    January 16 2023
    "Mercenaries and regular units of the Polish army not at all eager to be captured"
    the author forgot to mention the regular units of the armies of Zanzibar, Papua New Guinea and the Republic of Cape Verde. this is who the valiant trumpeters and drummers actually fight against, and not at all with the xoxls, this demoralized and running gang at the mere sight of a violinist. By the way, what is the legal status of these horn players? after all, private armed forces and mercenaries are prohibited in the Russian Federation. Or when you can’t, but really want to, then you can?
    1. +1
      January 16 2023
      Excuse me, please, of course - what is allowed to Jupiter is not allowed to the bull. hi
  14. +8
    January 16 2023
    Soledar is just a small urban-type settlement that arose at the salt mines. It has no particular strategic importance, controlling relatively only one road to Seversk ... There is no talk of encircling Bakhmut from the word at all .. There are not enough troops, soon they will not have time to supply weapons .. no one has canceled logistical problems ..
    1. +11
      January 16 2023
      Read above what the so-called patriots write with a bang .... they have a lot of people and resources ... although everything has been clear for a long time ... how can one be mistaken, I won’t know) they don’t even know the true goals of the NWO ...trouble
      1. +6
        January 16 2023
        Now, probably, the goal is this - "I fight because I fight" hi
  15. -7
    January 16 2023
    Victory ahead. Soledar is just a stage of struggle

    The main victory will come when the entire Nazi leadership of Ukraine is brought to trial in Donetsk.
    Soledar showed that we CAN.
    It remains to move from persuasion and explanations to the total destruction of those who do not like the Russian world.
    By the way, there are a number of millionaires, billionaires (even at the ministerial level) inside Russia who can't get the idea of ​​their existence in the new reality. Realities, when an ordinary private of the RF Armed Forces is more important for Russia than a dozen idle broiler officials.
    1. +4
      January 16 2023
      The court is, of course, good, but here is an example of the manure workers ... recourse
    2. +9
      January 16 2023
      By what court? What is the leadership of Ukraine? Do you only read Staver? Read Peskov - he bluntly stated that there was no need to change the leadership of Ukraine, and in general this was never planned.
      https://topwar.ru/205458-peskov-smena-rukovodstva-na-ukraine-ne-javljaetsja-odnoj-iz-celej-specoperacii.html
  16. +10
    January 16 2023
    It is a pleasure to read Comrade Staver and we will not give up Kherson, and in general everything is fine with us and according to plan. I would read and read.)
  17. +3
    January 16 2023
    As long as they are strange inside, the Avdivian stables will not be cleaned out, any victory will turn out to be a Feast.
  18. +9
    January 16 2023
    I love this wang of Mr. Staver. We won’t surrender Kherson, then, here Bakhmut is RIGHT NOW, ALREADY NOW will fall and we will take him.
    God, who takes this seriously?
  19. +5
    January 16 2023
    there is constant talk about the destruction of communications, but ... the situation has not changed much - they continue to calmly carry everything to the front from Poland and Romania. It is inexplicable (((they won’t leave it to us anyway, so why save it? Everything will have to be rebuilt anyway
  20. -1
    January 16 2023
    "which is carried out by Kyiv. Something from the series "so don't get you to anyone."
    So the Kremlin supports this policy! We are destroying what is ours. Like DE .. who walk under themselves and rejoice. I still think that even now CBO can be completed within a month. There would be political will. For this, a grouping of approximately 700 thousand people is needed to block the Western border, up to the Black Sea. There will be no arms supplies and that's it. Well, now someone will start to splash with saliva, 700 thousand is not realistic. And to destroy bridges, railway roads, stations, places for storing weapons, the energy system of Western Ukraine. Because the weapons come from Western Ukraine. This is possible! Okay, and it's not real, because, "Well, I couldn't." And destroy the bridges across the Dnieper? There are only 26 or 21 of them. Then Eastern Ukraine will be liberated quickly, including Kharkov and Odessa. And these are not my conclusions, but those of military personnel. Instead, we hit on the forehead, and then the laurels are divided by who did more. I want to remind connoisseurs of history that the 300 thousand Pauls group near Stalingrad was surrounded by the Soviet 200 thousand group. Where would now, take such commanders.
  21. 0
    January 16 2023
    The capture of Soledar - an episode. Wagner, well done, worked out. But Artemovsk, an arc in the west around the dying Donetsk - this is not yet possible. So far, hopelessness and despondency - especially if you remember how they betrayed us in the Kharkov region and in the south. And if there were no Wagners, then what?! And the fifth column is also running into them.
    1. -3
      January 17 2023
      In Kharkov they succumbed. Why lie about Kherson? He was handed over in exchange for Abramovich's lards. They defended Kherson well. We just gave up there.
  22. +1
    January 16 2023
    "The West, unlike us, acts quickly?" - What do we have then?
  23. BAI
    -2
    January 16 2023
    Yes, they stopped taking ukrov prisoners. Destroyed immediately, before they surrendered
  24. +1
    January 16 2023
    That is, the West is working according to the same scheme that the Americans have been working all this time. At the beginning they deliver, and then they announce the deliveries.


    But what does army intelligence do, which should identify channels for the supply of military equipment and ammunition, intermediate storage bases and point Caliber, aviation and DRG at them .....
    Either reconnaissance is sitting in the trenches instead of infantry, or it is storming the cities of Donbass, but obviously not doing enough in the main direction .....
    1. -1
      January 16 2023
      Il ne fait rien, il a de fausses informations. Quand le livreur "UPS" dit qu'il livre un colis, c'est que vous l'avez déjà. Eh bien là c'est pareil, tout est déjà arrivé en Pologne, en Roumanie, en Turquie, en Suède, en Finlande et en Grèce.
  25. 0
    January 16 2023
    And that napalm and fire mixtures have already ended? Recall the experience of the Second World War, how all sides of the war burned out the enemy who had settled in the mines. Mines are not quarries or catacombs, each mine has a limited number of horizons and exits. This time. Secondly, mines without forced ventilation are very badly adapted for breathing. Therefore, blocking the supply ventilation and flamethrowing down the mine shaft will very quickly put the Nazis in front of a dilemma: either die, or surrender and try to mow down mobikov. For us, the preferred option is to burn this evil spirits into dust, so that even charred corpses do not remain, so, a handful of ashes.
  26. 0
    January 16 2023
    Regarding the settlement of a criminal record. During the Great Patriotic War, if a person called up from places of deprivation of liberty fought honestly, did not hide, did not cheat, then after three months of being on the front lines, the unit commander (people from places of deprivation of liberty were sent to linear units, not to penal companies) had the right to write the attitude by which a criminal record was removed and a person became clean before the law. It is possible to introduce such a practice for "musicians" today.
  27. +5
    January 16 2023
    Of course, after all these "regroupings" and "difficult decisions", the release of even such a trifle as Soledar is already seen as a huge success. But if you look from the point of view not of tactics, but of strategy, then this success does not draw on the enthusiasm that is lavished on it.
    Firstly, after Soledar, no roads open anywhere, simply because in 11 months the Wehrmacht's coming out had the opportunity to build many more defensive lines to the west of Soledar, which we will run into and who knows how long we will break through.
    Secondly, Soledar cannot be compared, for example, with the situation around Vitebsk or Bobruisk in 1944, when the rapid capture of these cities, declared fortresses, in the ring and the destruction of the encircled groups led to the emergence of gaps in the defense of the Wehrmacht, where Soviet tank units poured in and rushed to Minsk, closing another "boiler". There is no gap in the defense of the Wehrmacht's coming out and is not expected. And the next stage will be followed by many months of chewing through the defenses of the Wehrmacht's coming out to the west of Soledar.
    Of course, the success of our forces is very pleasing. But there should be no euphoria. Alas, there are still a lot of "soledars" waiting for us, and if we spend half a year on each of them, then we can expect a "seven-year" war of the XNUMXst century.
  28. 0
    January 16 2023
    Il semblerait que Soledar ne soit pas completement tombé...
    Comme il semblerait que FAU voudrait encore que d'autres musiciens ou autres de Russie viennent à Soledar plutôt qu'ailleurs.
    Soledar semble un aimant idéal depuis Août 2022, la Russie veut Bakhmut, à tout prix... A n'importe quel prix... Donc pourquoi pas jusqu'à un prix trop élevé.

    Comme ça ailleurs, pendant ce temps...
    1. +1
      January 16 2023
      Il est important pour la Russie de détruire les Nazis ukrainiens. Elle les poursuivra partout.
      1. -1
        January 16 2023
        Evgueni Nikitine vous...
        https://img.20mn.fr/QQyabOikRRyim8dz3BmCrA/1200x768_capture-ecran-reportage-zdf-consacree-evgueni-nikitine-chanteur-opera-russe-quitte-festival-bayreuth-2012-cause
  29. +1
    January 16 2023
    Only Russia can end the war.
    Decisive victory and defeat of Nazi Ukraine.
    As for further events, forecasts are a thankless task.
    I do not share the author's enthusiasm, there are tough battles ahead.
  30. +3
    January 16 2023
    There were many hard days
    There will be many hard days
    So it's too early to draw conclusions.
    So we met her
    Here we met with her
    Somewhere on a country road.

    Just a few minutes
    Only a few minutes
    That conversation went on between us.
    What, tell me, is your name?
    What, tell me, is your name?
    And she answered - Victory!
    That victory, in 45, was won and we have been celebrating it for almost 80 years. It is still too early to celebrate the victory near Artemovsk, and even more so in the NWO. Guessing on coffee grounds is a thankless task.
  31. +5
    January 16 2023
    With what tenacity the Armed Forces of Ukraine howl and with what tenacity the RF Armed Forces howl. Two fraternal peoples in hatred for each other slaughter each other. All this is sad and sad. Who would have thought even a year ago that there would be such fierce battles. What can I say, each side is fighting for its own. And no one is going to retreat, as always, our children will pay for this war, as we pay for our parents, thanks to whom the USSR collapsed. Will we ever have better times?
  32. +1
    January 16 2023
    without re-mobilization and understaffing of parts, there will be no forward movement ..

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