"Dynamic protection will damage the car": the Polish press drew attention to the booking of the Russian BMP-2

After the start of the NMD, Russian fighters began to resort to makeshift protection of various equipment, including infantry fighting vehicles. The Polish press drew attention to the additional booking of one of them, criticizing the "amateurish" approach of the "developers" from the crew.

As indicated in the Defense24 publication, the BMP-1/2 did not initially have good protection for the troops transported inside the hull, which was caused by the customer's desire to make the equipment buoyant and required to meet the threshold mass values. In 2015, an additional armor kit 675-sb3KDZ was developed, but it was not widely used in the army.

As a result, after the outbreak of hostilities in Ukraine, handicraft work was launched in the troops to strengthen the protection of infantry fighting vehicles. Wooden beams, pallets, steel plates, elements of other machines and individual blocks of dynamic protection were used tanks.

An example is the BMP-2, which received additional armor in the form of a DZ. Contact-1 blocks were installed on the sides and the upper hull plate, and Contact-5 elements were installed on the lower plate of the frontal armor. On the tower, next to the main armament, there are blocks "Contact-1", while most of the surface of the tower is protected by a more advanced "Contact-5".

As noted in the publication, the DZ blocks installed on the BMP, designed for heavily armored tanks, pose a danger to the vehicle itself:

The explosive force of the charge inside the [DZ] round can be strong enough to backfire and damage such lightly armored vehicles. It is even possible to break the welds of the armor or the formation of internal fragments that will injure the crew and the troops being transported.

Comments

[Roma 1977]

But even 20 years ago, DZ sets for light armored vehicles were worked out in the Russian Federation.

[yuriy55]

Quote: Roma-1977

But even 20 years ago, DZ sets for light armored vehicles were worked out in the Russian Federation.

And in May they wrote about it:
Dynamic protection of tanks and light armored vehicles of Russia
https://topwar.ru/195577-dinamicheskaja-zaschita-tankov-i-legkoj-bronetehniki-rossii-ch1.html

[28st region]

There were, and even released hundreds and a half sets and sent to warehouses. Where are they now?

[Normann]

But leopards and abrams for our theater are just the thing, with their weight ...

[User_neydobniu]

What's wrong with their weight? In terms of specific pressure on the ground, +\- the same thing (NATO goose will be wider), in terms of drugs per ton, and even more than that of the t-90 and t-72 ... In fact, only flimsy bridges are an obstacle, but we are capital in Ukraine we don't demolish

[Henri Mik]

It's not about ground pressure, but about real weight. Abrams cannot be transported by air.

[Sergei N 58912062]

Abrams cannot be transported by air.

Henri Mik don't talk nonsense! Boeing C-17 Globemaster III and Lockheed C-5 Galaxy aircraft are capable of carrying Abrams tanks.

[yuriy55]

When I read such articles, I understand that they spent thirty years at SPIEFs and biathlons, and when the time came for real tests, they did it from head to toe ...
But what kind of Aurus was blinded for parades ...

[AdAstra]

Moreover, from the parts of which the ears are from there and there is nothing for you minuses.

[bars042]

Still to "unsee" what you write about.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: bars042

Still to "unsee" what you write about.

The word "cons" is quite understandable, that's what I understood, and thus supported my colleague.

[svoroponov]

BMPs were developed for combat operations in relation to those conditions and the level of development of technology at that time. As well as the tactics used.
And for modern conditions, the Kurganets-25 has already been created on the basis of the T-14 with already integrated armor. Of course, you can say that he is not in the army, but he was created and passed all the tests. But I won’t say anything about production and application yet. The military often begins to use or accumulate for a more serious adversary without notifying the public.
Well, there will be no damage from operation, since the blocks are not just hung on the armor, but are attached through steel plates - gaskets, which can be seen. Do not consider military amateurs. Obviously, such a body kit has been tested and works without damaging the car and threatening the crew ..
Well, about the Pole, I’ll say that what he wrote was taken from assessments of the use and testing of such protection on lightly armored vehicles in the USSR at that time.
A similar article from those times was considered even on this forum, you can search.

[Sergei N 58912062]

svoroponov I hope that the EDZ are really attached through special steel screens to the armor, otherwise, when the EDZ is triggered, damage to the BMP-2 cannot be avoided.

[svoroponov]

Yes, they use additional steel screens to redistribute pressure on the armor of the infantry fighting vehicle or specially welded gaskets, which themselves, when deformed, do not break the armor of the vehicle

[Trapp1st]

When I read such articles, I understand that they spent thirty years at SPIEFs and biathlons

In Courchevel, Nice and other Americas...

[Henri Mik]

You won't please. Many people are not satisfied with these spending on the defense industry, "It's better to set up kindergartens and schools." And who will walk in them?

[Mikhail Krivopalov]

Many are not satisfied not with the costs, but with the result of these costs.

[Skif]

Low bow to the Pshekov "specialists"! Or reviewers? What would we do without you!

[Alien From]

Why are the logs worried about us? Yudenskaya nature does not give them rest.

[isv000]

Quote: Alien From

Why are the logs worried about us? Yudenskaya nature does not give them rest.

Firewood began to try on a green forelock skin and, from an awareness of the prospects, they do something like this ...

[Alexga]

The explosive force of the charge inside the [DZ] round can be strong enough to backfire and damage such lightly armored vehicles. It is even possible to break the welds of the armor or the formation of internal fragments that will injure the crew and the troops being transported.

Brad, this is purely theoretical conjecture!

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: AlexGa

Brad, this is purely theoretical conjecture!

Apart from the fact that blocks can be without explosives.

[Sergei N 58912062]

Vladimir_2U and what is the point of installing an EDZ without explosives?

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Sergei N 58912062

Vladimir_2U and what is the point of installing an EDZ without explosives?

The fact that there is such an opportunity, and this is at least some kind of additional protection not from grenades, but from cereals.

[Sergei N 58912062]

Brad, this is purely theoretical conjecture!

AlexGa if you install the "Contact" DZ on board the BMP without strengthening it before, the force of the explosion will damage the BMP. This has been tested in practice. Since the entire "Contact" DZ is designed for tanks, whose armor is much thicker than the armor of an infantry fighting vehicle.

For light armored vehicles, we have developed a special remote sensing system. But for some reason it is not installed on our armored vehicles.

NII STEEL has developed NKDZ for the modernization of the BMP-2. But for some reason it is not installed on our BMP-2 either.

[Nikolaevich I]

They understand a lot here, Poles! DZ blocks installed on the BMP, designed for heavily armored tanks, pose a danger to the vehicle itself: There are no others!

[Sergei N 58912062]

Nikolaevich I there are others! Only for some reason they are not installed on our armored vehicles.

[silberwolf88]

A very controversial statement from another expert (like the level of British scientists) ... they went to the second Chechnya like this ... protection works)) not without problems, of course, BUT increases security at least from the same RPG

[28st region]

One can dream a lot about improving the protection of our light armored vehicles, but unfortunately all the possibilities for this have been exhausted. The suspension will not stand up, the engine is rather weak. Moreover, all BMP-1.2.3. It will be easier and cheaper to develop something new. A heavy infantry fighting vehicle, at least on the T-72 platform, the same suspension, the same armored hull. How the Jews made their Ahzarit, how the Germans made their MP KF41 Lynx based on Leopard-2.
We have developed as many infantry fighting vehicles based on the T-55 on our own initiative, which in the bins of the Motherland, uuuu, how many are still supplied for free at least to the same Syria

[Sergei N 58912062]

The 28th region has developed a special remote sensing for our light armored vehicles. But for some reason it won't install.

[Sergei N 58912062]

silberwolf88 if you install the "Contact" DZ on board the BMP without strengthening it before, the force of the explosion will damage the BMP. This has been tested in practice. Since the entire "Contact" DZ is designed for tanks, whose armor is much thicker than the armor of the BMP.

It is necessary to strengthen the sides of the BMP-2 with additional sheets of steel armor.

[Fangaro]

If this is just the point of view of a potential enemy - well, there is logic in their words. Not test results, but logic.
But more likely this is an attempt to discredit any additional ways to protect technology. If something handicraft helps, okay, maybe it helps, save a life, it's better to use it than to expect everything that was shown.

[Sergei N 58912062]

Fangaro if you install the "Contact" DZ on board the BMP without strengthening it before, the force of the explosion will damage the BMP. This has been tested in practice. Since the entire DZ "Contact" is designed for tanks, whose armor is much thicker than the armor of the infantry fighting vehicle.

It is necessary to strengthen the sides of the BMP-2 with additional sheets of steel armor.

[AlexWar]

MO, antediluvian, should be ashamed of these infantry fighting vehicles. Was it really difficult to order a couple of hundred armored vehicles. Or remake the same tanks for infantry fighting vehicles,
The problem is probably that these infantry fighting vehicles are made in Kurgan, and Kurgan itself is a hole.
In terms of engineers, Kurgan is a Hole, which even armored personnel carriers could not come up with as a car.
BMP and BTR is the level of the Loaf

[bars042]

ashamed mo

But what about the house for your beloved child on the beach ...?
Yes, you encroached on the "holy".

[Kurganets-45]

can I gnaw your face for such words?

[Ghost1]

I do not know about the fidelity of their words. But that BMP 1,2 lacks enhanced normal protection, this is a fact. It is strange that over the years they have not been able to modernize the BMP in terms of protection. And for good, we need a new modern mass-produced infantry fighting vehicle in the military. So far, only at exhibitions and parades we see.

[FPEDDI_KPYGEP]

Bradley was created in the 80s, I'm not a military man at all, but I think this useless buoyancy should be removed from the BMP 2, put in a more powerful dviglo and give 10 tons of armor
Kurgan is a complex and expensive machine, and even with a bunch of shortcomings that no one has eliminated in 8 years

[Santa Fe]

put more powerful dviglo and give 10 tons of armor

Will the suspension and body of a 14-ton infantry fighting vehicle withstand all this?

The modernization resource of Soviet infantry fighting vehicles has long been exhausted. Therefore, either Kurganets or other armored vehicles with a mass of 25-30 tons, but most likely they will walk on foot

we need to remove this useless buoyancy

It's all the consequences, not the cause

Soviet armored vehicles were designed to be light because they had to be cheap, so that they could be produced by the tens of thousands and serviced. To ensure buoyancy in such conditions was already a matter of technology

[Il'nur]

It is strange that over the years they have not been able to upgrade the BMP in terms of protection

And who needed it, we have capitalism, the market, defective managers, and the West is our friends, with whom to fight. It’s good that they came up with it in the USSR, otherwise there would be nothing to fight with, and defective managers can only optimize and reform, but sell resources and allocate capital in the west ... So they optimized before ...

[Sergei N 58912062]

I do not know about the fidelity of their words.

Ghost1 if you install the "Contact" DZ on board the BMP without strengthening it before, the force of the explosion will damage the BMP. This has been tested in practice. Since the entire DZ "Contact" is designed for tanks, whose armor is much thicker than the armor of the infantry fighting vehicle.

It is strange that over the years they have not been able to modernize the BMP in terms of protection.

A special remote sensing system has been developed for our light armored vehicles. But for some reason it won't install.

[Olddetractor]

Doesn't hurt. The crew remains alive.
In the hollow of the Polish press,

[Sergei N 58912062]

Olddetractor if you install the "Contact" DZ on board the BMP without strengthening it before, the force of the explosion will damage the BMP. This has been tested in practice. Since the entire DZ "Contact" is designed for tanks, whose armor is much thicker than the armor of the infantry fighting vehicle.

It is necessary to strengthen the sides of the BMP-2 with additional sheets of steel armor.

[AlexWar]

It was necessary to start releasing the Kurgan and finish it already in the course of the fighting. So that engineers live at the forefront. Engineers go to the races and are already looking at the problem on the spot and finalizing their products.
The T-34 was also actually adopted before the war. I look at the history of our country, we have never had normal armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles. Fighters in this technique do not want to sit.
To advance, it is necessary that the infantry at least get close to the trenches or to the first city buildings
If we can’t come up with anything, we just had to copy from some foreign armored personnel carrier or infantry fighting vehicle and do the same.
A good BMP in our time will be sold in millions of copies. In the meantime, instead of infantry fighting vehicles, we only have tigers.
Apparently, the purchases of the Tigers were lobbied and did not order new infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers
But the TIGER is not an offensive vehicle. Rather, for the transport of infantry.

[olgherd]

Quote from Alexwar

It was necessary to start releasing the Kurgan and finish it already in the course of the fighting. So that engineers live at the forefront. Engineers go to the races and are already looking at the problem on the spot and finalizing their products.
The T-34 was also actually adopted before the war. I look at the history of our country, we have never had normal armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles. Fighters in this technique do not want to sit.
To advance, it is necessary that the infantry at least get close to the trenches or to the first city buildings
If we can’t come up with anything, we just had to copy from some foreign armored personnel carrier or infantry fighting vehicle and do the same.
A good BMP in our time will be sold in millions of copies. In the meantime, instead of infantry fighting vehicles, we only have tigers.
Apparently, the purchases of the Tigers were lobbied and did not order new infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers
But the TIGER is not an offensive vehicle. Rather, for the transport of infantry.

In addition to developing, copying and adopting, there must be an understanding of what to do with it all, tactics have been developed, charters have been written. We now often have an infantry fighting vehicle acting as a light tank, and instead of an infantry fighting vehicle, the BTR82 is used. What is the use of new technology if it will also be used for other purposes?

[svoroponov]

It's not about sitting in technology but about insurance. In the west, if you were injured or killed while driving an infantry fighting vehicle and you were in a car and not inside, you lose all insurance payments. But their PMCs, working under contracts without such restrictions on insurance, ride like ours, on armor. Just because of strict military censorship and commercial interests, they don’t show a lot.

[FPEDDI_KPYGEP]

I saw funny videos of BMP 2 buoyancy on the Internet, this car does not swim across rivers, but moves along a pontoon crossing. Like a river and tanks need to cross it and they are waiting for the creation of a crossing, and BMP 2, which can independently cross this river, also wait until a crossing appears and they, together with the tanks, will cross the river. The question is why this buoyancy is needed if it is not even used!? What prevents you from completely abandoning buoyancy and the freed tons from putting in powerful armor? There is no need to create a completely new complex and expensive BMP like a Kurgan, you need to create an analogue of Bradley

[FPEDDI_KPYGEP]

BMP 2 buoyancy is not needed!
Near Kyiv, a huge part of the offensive equipment of the Russian Federation was BMP 2. Do you know what stopped the Russian Federation near Kyiv? Ukrainians destroyed bridges and BMP 2 could not cross the rivers for further offensive it was necessary to create crossings)

There are not many rivers in the north of Kiev and they are small, in minutes you can swim from one bank to another with your hands.

[Cats]

The problem is not the lack of relevant developments, but the unwillingness of military officials to introduce all this into the army (bureaucracy, laziness, stupidity, lack of professionalism, etc.). How to deal with it? At VO, in the comments, it was repeatedly proposed to form a consolidated, shock-assault battalion from these officials. What battalion? Polk (enough people)! Equip, standard for a motorized rifle unit, equipment and weapons, and send to the front for at least half a year. I think that after that, for those who survive, the priorities will change dramatically.

[rotkiv04]

this happens in the parade army, for all the time Shoigu only learned to flutter out of Aurus beautifully during a report to Putin, but to provide dynamic protection or a sufficient number of warrior kits for fighters for this, his stupid brains were not enough

[zenion]

They frighten them with saucers, they say vile ones fly. The main thing in battle is power of attorney and calmness.

[wladimirjankov]

if these generals knew that they themselves or their sons would fight on these BMP-1; 2 and motorized leagues, then they would certainly take care and insist on the production and purchase of new Kurgans and other modern equipment by the army. But unfortunately they are sure that they will not have to do this. These old tins will be filled with simple Russian vaneks.

[bars042]

if these generals knew

ordinary Russians

Figure 282 c.u. Russia is getting closer to you!

[chimik70]

She is getting closer and closer to everyone. Yesterday there was a message, an actor from the series "Kitchen" was fired for criticizing the CBO, not for discrediting, but for CRITICISM.

[acetophenone]

A triggered DZ "maybe" will cause damage to the hull and crew, but in its absence, the hit of anti-tank shells and missiles will definitely send the crew to the forefathers, and the car to scrap metal.

[Sanyav_72]

Quite right! If there are probable damages on the scales or a complete mess, then the first one is chosen.

[Just a guest]

Che is an article from the camp of the enemy. And the comments are the same.
"Everything is bad with us, there is nothing of our own." Well, offer yours. Design a machine, offer it to MO. Prove that she is the best there is.
And sitting on the couch spitting shit - you don't need a lot of mind

[chimik70]

In earlier comments and publications, it was said that everything has long been developed and put into service. But DZ for infantry fighting vehicles did not enter the troops. So that no one spits, we sit on the couch, yes, well, the age is not the same.

[Sergey Romanchenko]

[nazgul-ishe]

Give it time, you will have a squirrel, there will be a whistle. What the state is doing now. Everything is at the mercy of LLC, MMM and other IP. When they understand that the State should be protected by the State, something may change. While we write on a simple one - with logs, bags and other ...

[ork_333]

Quote: yuriy55

When I read such articles, I understand that they spent thirty years at SPIEFs and biathlons, and when the time came for real tests, they did it from head to toe ...
But what kind of Aurus was blinded for parades ...

When I read such comments, I understand that this "problem" did not bother you for thirty years, and when the time came for some article from the Lyakhov press, you immediately got excited. "Helpful is more dangerous than the enemy" - are you familiar with this phrase? It seems that Krylov already at one time understood the danger of people like you.

[Devil13]

Bggg, but the RPG that gets into the car will not hurt, nope.
It’s better for her to let something break out than inside there will be the consequences of a hit from an RPG.

[storm]

The tactics of the ground forces are changing dramatically before our eyes.
Now ten spotters with UAVs and an artillery battalion are able to create a "dead zone" within a radius of 30-40 km.
WE recently (in the spring of the 22nd) witnessed how the units that crossed the river, which the slovenly commanders did not bother to disperse and disguise, were discovered from the UAV and swept away by the artillery of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
Floating equipment is needed only for reconnaissance and landing units, designed to operate covertly, in small mobile groups.

[Sergei N 58912062]

Why should our soldiers be engaged in handicraft strengthening of the protection of the BMP-2?!
Back in the early 2000s, a DZ was developed for our light armored vehicles.

NII STEEL has developed NKDZ for the modernization of the BMP-2.

Why is this protection not installed at the factory?!

[chimik70]

Well, apparently there is no suitable industrial capacity, or lack of funds, one of two things.

[KCA]

Maybe because BMP-2s are already fighting and removing them from the battlefield will slightly weaken our troops?

[KCA]

The competence of psheks in tank building is undeniable, they also produced under the T-72 license, which means they are great specialists in the development of armor and other protection, I don’t remember something, did they build at least one tank from the 1st World War?

[Ezekiel 25-17]

Did the Poles notice? War always requires non-standard solutions.