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Indian ceiling, Chinese shock and a few lines for "The Power of Siberia"

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Indian ceiling, Chinese shock and a few lines for "The Power of Siberia"



What do they think in New Delhi?


A couple of days ago, I didn’t really stand out in the news flow news from India, where they suddenly decided to forget that they are actually a “friendly” country for us. No embargoes, almost free trade, including weaponsand, finally, large-scale purchases of Russian oil in spite of all the sanctions of the West.

And suddenly - a recognition of the need, more precisely - so far only the opportunity to take part in the notorious "dancing on the ceiling." New Delhi may join the ceiling on oil prices, which was introduced shortly before the New Year by the countries of the European Union and the G7.

In fact, the Indians are quite understandable - who would refuse to get inexpensive raw materials even cheaper. It's no secret that India is now buying a record amount of Russian oil and, one might say, at the lowest possible prices. Currently, according to various estimates, the discount reaches 12-15 dollars per barrel.

However, Russian companies do not plan to reduce the volume of deliveries yet. Not for this that Russia remained outside OPEC for many years to so easily abandon a profitable, in spite of everything, market. In addition, India has options to reduce the volume of energy purchases from the Russian Federation.

On one condition - if the EU imposes sanctions against it or if the price of oil exceeds $60 per barrel. Oil from Russia is bought mainly by private Indian companies, which significantly reduces the severity of the problem - they can use not the most legal channels.

This is how they did it for many years in trade with Iran. However, New Delhi's oil demarche immediately reminded of the difficulties that Russia may face in gas trade as well. After all, as you know, gas prices have traditionally been and formally remain tied to exchange oil prices.

Oil and gas are like brother and sister


This never suited the Russian gas workers, since depending on the outcome of the permanent oil wars and the will of the sheikhs from OPEC is guaranteed to remain an outsider. For many years, Russian gas companies have been bargaining hard with buyers, primarily from Europe.

The struggle was for setting stable prices for long-term contracts. For some time, a lot has been achieved in this direction. However, in the era of global confrontation, everything went wrong. And we are counting this era not even from the Maidan, but also from the orange and other color revolutions.

Since then, gas buyers from the Old Continent, dictated from across the ocean, have been voicing that Russia has turned oil and gas into political instruments, worse, into weapons. And they sold the exchange prices for themselves. And then they took up arms against both Nord Streams.

As a result, Europe received a thousand and even two thousand dollars for a thousand cubic meters of blue fuel. Fortunately, exchange prices are not everything, but the same Gazprom, thanks to them, has already covered all the losses associated with the problems of Potoki.

In this regard, critical arrows are immediately recalled against the notorious Power of Siberia project and the notorious turn to the East. Which, in fact, is already happening literally before our eyes.

But first, let's compare European gas prices with our domestic and export prices for China.


In Europe, quotes are now fluctuating in the range of 800-850 dollars per thousand cubic meters. m. However, for many buyers - for example, in Serbia or Hungary, prices are completely different: twice, and often three times lower, in accordance with old or extended contracts.

In Russia today, gas costs private consumers $138 per thousand cubic meters, and industrial consumers $45-90. China pays for every thousand cubic meters of Russian gas at prices linked to the price of fuel oil and gas oil. From $150, in the most favorable case, up to $220-250.

At the same time, we must not forget that the Power of Siberia was built with the expectation of buyers from China and Korea, as well as for the widespread gasification of the east of the country. If at some time ago the question was actually raised about the possibility of delivering gas from the same Kovykta field, about which - a little lower, to Europe, then a very long time ago, and it was closed once and for all.

Remembered? This is Lomonosov


Many, oddly enough, even after the large-scale evacuation of industry during the war years, after the BAM and the reconstruction of the Trans-Siberian Railway, after the Vostochny cosmodrome, still do not take seriously the well-known words of the great Russian scientist. The fact that the wealth of our Motherland will grow in Siberia.

However, the Chinese, shamelessly devouring the Russian forest and already aiming at the waters of Lake Baikal, seem to have understood this before many of us. However, this is not about them - although as loyal buyers of our oil and our gas, and you never know what else, the citizens of the PRC are actually quite interesting to us. That's just not buried. And we have much more to offer them.

Under the roar of turret guns, few people even paid attention to another news, no longer from India, although its significance, in fact, is strategic. December 21, 2022 – just three weeks ago, Gazprom put the Kovykta gas condensate field into commercial operation.

At the same time, a section of the Power of Siberia-1 gas pipeline from the Kovykta to the Chayandinskoye field was put into operation. It is not entirely clear why the Kremlin PR people did not even consider it necessary to release through all possible channels the information that Russian President Vladimir Putin had given the command to launch via video conferencing.

Well, NWO is now more important, although what funds, if not to sell gas and oil, will be used to implement it?

But here it is simply necessary to turn back to the past, distant and not very. The notorious Irkutsk gas production center was supposed to appear on the gas map of the USSR back in Soviet times, but then the conditions for this were not the most suitable.

At first, the task of complete gasification of the country, including Siberia and the Far East, then, and then already in Russia, which fell under the privatization rink, was considered too costly. Although the idea of ​​turning the gas monopoly, let us recall, is natural, both Viktor Chernomyrdin and his successor at Gazprom, Rem Vyakhirev, rushed into an almost complete copy of RAO UES.

Secondly, China, with all the growth of its economy, then simply could not buy a lot of gas.

Finally, the third - the need for deep gas processing, as it is now at the Amur plant, raised serious doubts. Due to the insignificant potential demand for associated condensate, as well as helium and a number of other components.

Just a few years ago, they could not have been cheap, but now the prices are justified, and extraction technologies have advanced a lot. In addition, due to growing demand from China, as well as in the domestic market, a very clear prospect of increasing production, transportation, and processing capacities has emerged.

We remind you - Kovykta


In this regard, let us return to the “Power of Siberia” and to the Kovykta gas condensate field, which is the base for it. It was known about it for a long time, since about the 80s it was already planned to be put into action, but it was not very successful to get to Kovykta seriously in Soviet times.

After the collapse of the USSR, Gazprom did something with the license for its development. As a result, after all the miracles of privatization and loans-for-shares auctions, the potential untold wealth of Kovykta ended up in the zone of influence of the TNK company and its partner, the British, and in fact transnational BP.


How the field nevertheless came under the control of the Russian gas monopoly is a separate issue. The main thing is that at the moment the design capacity of the Kovykta field, together with the slightly less powerful neighboring Chayandinskoye, is already estimated at more than 50 billion cubic meters. m/year of natural gas.

Recall that the capacity of each of the Nord Streams is 55 billion cubic meters. m/year. And in total, annual gas supplies to Europe from Russia once reached more than 200 billion cubic meters. m.
After these figures, it is impossible not to reinforce the arguments about the benefits of selling gas to China with one more historical argument.

It was really unprofitable to drag the gas pipeline from Kovykta to Europe. In addition, it was impossible not to take into account the European trend for green energy and the long-term “Ukrainian” games with transit. In the end, any business, and commodity in particular, requires diversification, and the seller is usually much more dependent on the buyer.

Do not forget that the "Power of Siberia" was actually built according to Soviet still projects, corrected, of course, to the new standards, although innovations cannot be counted there. In addition, based on the Western market, as, indeed, on any other, it was easier to deal with Yamal, developing the LNG industry there as well, which was done.
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  1. parusnik
    parusnik 17 January 2023 04: 57
    +4
    And we have much more to offer them.
    And what for example? Is it the latest technology?
    1. Civil
      Civil 17 January 2023 07: 20
      +10
      We were a raw materials appendage of the West (and through intermediaries like India we partially remain), we have become an appendage of the PRC. Well, there is only one positive detail, Russian gas will go to the Chinese communists for the cause of raising the standard of living of the Chinese.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 17 January 2023 07: 26
        +11
        Russian gas will go to the Chinese Communists for the cause of raising the standard of living of the Chinese.
        Paradox, right? smile
        1. Civil
          Civil 17 January 2023 08: 47
          +3
          Quote: parusnik
          Paradox, right?

          Actually, what is the paradox? A more efficient society sucks all the juices out of a society that is in strategic decline.
      2. Boris55
        Boris55 17 January 2023 09: 02
        -7
        Quote: Civil
        Were a raw material appendage of the West

        Мы were colony of the West. Goal for 2023 for the government:

        1. Trade reorientation - (the key word is TRADE, and non-payment of tribute to the West).
        "...This is Asia, the Middle East, Latin America, Africa. It is to the markets of friendly countries that we will reorient the supply of Russian energy resources..." Vladimir Putin. 15 12 2022
        http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/70086
        1. skeptick2
          skeptick2 17 January 2023 10: 23
          +7
          Quote: Boris55
          Мы were colony of the West

          А steel colony of China. Its raw material appendage.
          Is it more honorable?
          What will happen to Russia if China turns its back on it?
          But nothing lasts forever under the moon...
        2. sadam2
          sadam2 17 January 2023 17: 24
          +3
          in order to become a Chinese appendage, you still need to tin.
          and if we ship them at cost as the Belarusians, then where are our political goodies?
      3. 28st region
        28st region 18 January 2023 08: 25
        +14
        Quote: Civil
        Well, there is only one positive detail, Russian gas will go to the Chinese communists for the cause of raising the standard of living of the Chinese.

        FAQ??? I live in Blagoveshchensk, on the banks of the Amur opposite the Chinese city of Heihe. Their standard of living over the past 20 years has jumped to an unprecedented height. For example, they do not have any hydroelectric power stations or large thermal power plants in this area. Their houses are heated by electricity. Guess at once whose electricity it is, where it was produced and why we don’t have it. Type social programs of China on the Internet, you will be surprised. Compare how they fought covid and how we do. We have everything at our own expense, they have everything at the expense of the state.
        And the Power of Siberia we call the Power of China. The pipe passes by, but we were sitting without gas, with periodically disconnected electricity (in the area of ​​​​3 hydroelectric power plants), and we continue to sit.
    2. Vend
      Vend 17 January 2023 08: 55
      +4
      Indians are quite understandable - who refuses to get inexpensive raw materials even cheaper.

      There has already been a statement that in countries that have adopted a price ceiling, oil and gas will not be sold. I think India is just playing political games. They found a weak spot among the Indians, where the collective West pressed. But promise does not mean marriage)
    3. frog
      frog 17 January 2023 09: 39
      +2
      And what for example? Is it the latest technology?

      Deep analytics from these authors. So that, after an attack of laughter from respectable partners has passed, they would suddenly think .....
  2. Nikolay Malyugin
    Nikolay Malyugin 17 January 2023 05: 57
    +6
    This, except for soreness, cannot cause anything. Hindus need oil more than we do. And someone needs gas desperately. And we will open something with pomp on gas in the center of Russia. but also most of the exports. Life shows that even those countries that sold carbons are now using them for their own needs.
  3. User_neydobniu
    User_neydobniu 17 January 2023 06: 05
    +6
    The fact that the wealth of our Motherland will grow in Siberia.

    However, the Chinese, shamelessly devouring the Russian forest and already aiming at the waters of Lake Baikal, seem to have understood this before many of us.

    Well, who sells these resources to the Chinese at bargain prices, not the same people that pump oil and gas out of the Russian Federation? And yes, their wealth has long grown in the Urals, and Siberia, and the Far East. It is true that the Russian Federation, that the inhabitants of these regions have a figure with these incomes, but this is a completely different story ...
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 17 January 2023 06: 33
    +2
    New Delhi may join the oil price ceiling,
    After constant whispering and lisping from the United States, such actions by India will not come as a surprise. Some of the so-called "friends of Russia" who receive Russian oil and gas today at a discount suddenly wanted not to fall out of the Western cooperation program while pursuing their exclusively mercantile goals. And how do you like the joint Japanese-Indian Air Force exercises that began on January 16.01.23, XNUMX, and this despite the fact that Japan today expresses anti-Russian sentiments too clearly. It is clear that this is a signal to China, but still unpleasant. They say that a friend is known in trouble, and probably rightly so.
    1. your1970
      your1970 17 January 2023 23: 18
      +2
      Quote: rotmistr60
      They say that a friend is known in trouble, and probably rightly so.

      States do not and cannot have friends - there may be allies or vassals. But no more ...
  5. Hagen
    Hagen 17 January 2023 07: 36
    +4
    Many, oddly enough, even after the large-scale evacuation of industry during the war years, after the BAM and the reconstruction of the Trans-Siberian Railway, after the Vostochny cosmodrome, still do not take seriously the well-known words of the great Russian scientist. The fact that the wealth of our Motherland will grow in Siberia.

    Well, this is how to say .... Those who are engaged in real business, and not descriptions of events, know this idea of ​​Lomonosov well and put it into practice. Therefore, mining companies are working there to their full potential, and lately processors are pulling themselves up. Another thing is that in the minds of the population, the European part of Russia still remains more desirable. And taking into account the climatic features of the Siberian regions, their full-fledged development is also hampered by an increased energy consumption, i.e. is more costly than in Europe Russia. I would note that the pictures for the article are very outdated. Tk. in reality, the Power of Siberia-2 is projected (already) through the territory of Mongolia.
    "...Capacity - 50 billion m3/year.
    Resource base - deposits:
    the Yamal and Nadym-Pur-Taz Peninsulas of the Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug (YaNAO);
    Kovykta field of Gazprom in the Irkutsk region;
    deposits of the Krasnoyarsk Territory.
    It is of high importance for Russia itself, since it will allow to unite the gas transmission systems (GTS) of the European part and the east of the country, opening up access to network gas for large cities of Eastern Siberia.
    Length - 2600 km.
    The route through the territory of Russia continues to be worked out.
    Specific construction dates have not been determined, the approximate date for the start of deliveries is 2030. The design of the Soyuz Vostok MGP with a length of 962,9 km is already underway. Gazprom is now actively working to turn gas transportation flows towards China, trying to compensate for the drop in volumes in the European direction.
    Since January 1, 1, with the connection of the Kovykta field to the existing MGP Power of Siberia-2023 (Eastern route of gas supplies to China), from January XNUMX, XNUMX, Gazprom has reached a fundamentally new level of gas supplies to China.
    The design capacity of 38 billion m3/year of MGP Power of Siberia-1 should be reached in 2025.
    By the same time, the Far Eastern route (MGP Power of Siberia-3) with a capacity of 10 billion m3 / year of gas, the contract for which was signed in February 2022, should also start operating.
    Taking into account all 3 supply routes, in the foreseeable future, the volume of pipeline gas supplies from Russia to China will amount to almost 100 billion m3 / year ....."
    Such plans cause heightened concern in Europe due to the fact that with the increasing shortage of energy resources in the EU countries, their main rival China is gaining access to pipeline gas from the fields that once fed Europe. It is clear that pipeline gas "by definition" is much cheaper than what Europe receives today. Therefore, with an increase in the cost of European production, Chinese gets the opportunity to "facilitate" development. What, what they fought for, they ran into something ...
    1. Stanislav Ponomarev
      Stanislav Ponomarev 17 January 2023 17: 38
      0
      About nothing. We improved the boltology, adding even Mikhailo Vasilievich. At best, in 8-10 years we will reach a third of the volume of deliveries to Europe
    2. Aag
      Aag 19 January 2023 19: 01
      0
      There are more than enough words, figures ... Only they do not in any way imply an increase in the welfare of citizens of the Russian Federation, with the exception of those negligibly small percentages of Russians (and not only) who own the vast majority of Russia's wealth in real life.
      1. edatlt
        edatlt 25 January 2023 12: 51
        0
        The numbers here are crafty, he considers something that is not there yet
        But about the lost EU market and how much they sold there, he modestly kept silent

        Siberia alone sold something in the region of 10 billion cubic meters, with a capacity of 38, they cannot even load it completely, this volume is not needed
        But in the EU they sold almost 200 billion, orders of magnitude higher
        1. edatlt
          edatlt 25 January 2023 12: 56
          0
          https://tass.ru/infographics/9451
          1. edatlt
            edatlt 25 January 2023 12: 56
            0
            Poland bought more gas from us in 21 than China
          2. edatlt
            edatlt 25 January 2023 13: 00
            0
            same with oil and metals
            we have lost the high-margin EU market
  6. Just_Kvasha
    Just_Kvasha 17 January 2023 08: 04
    0
    We must stop being offended and preoccupied, and develop our economy, adapted to the variability of external conditions, and protect its functioning by any means, including military ones. For example, at each border crossing point by a gas pipeline there should be a plant for deep processing of gas into plastics, fertilizers, etc., which will act as a damper. Of course, the West can block the export of such products as well, but firstly, there are other markets, incl. and internal - the main thing for us, and secondly, if everything is blocked for us, then we are defeated by the West, and then there is nothing to puff up and pose as great.
    1. Hagen
      Hagen 17 January 2023 08: 21
      -1
      Quote: Just_Kvasha
      but firstly, there are other markets, incl. and internal - the main one for us

      The domestic market will not "eat" everything produced. In addition, it should be taken into account that the main part of the profits of both Gazprom, on which all flows and gas processing plants are built, and the state budget, is still formed by exports.
      Quote: Just_Kvasha
      if everything is blocked for us, then we are defeated by the West, and then there is nothing to puff up and pose as great.

      Offer to give up? I think we have to fight. And by developing new areas of pipe and LNG, we are doing this today.
      1. Just_Kvasha
        Just_Kvasha 17 January 2023 08: 25
        +1
        And where did I offer to surrender? Just the opposite, read about factories. I'm just saying that you have to be honest with yourself.
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 17 January 2023 12: 02
          +1
          Quote: Just_Kvasha
          And where did I offer to surrender?

          And how else to understand about "there is nothing to puff up and pose as great"?
          Quote: Just_Kvasha
          you have to be honest with yourself.

          Where have you been deceived? Calling small things great? And why is it so painful? Here groans over trifles of greatness will definitely not add. You have to do your job, and it doesn't matter what anyone thinks it is.
          Quote: Just_Kvasha
          Of course, the domestic market will not block everything, but it should be the main one.

          The main market is the one that gives the most profit. At the same time, the most financially intensive parts of it are remembered and subsidized about the domestic market. Gazprom has long been obliged to hold the pipe to the land. Maybe someone would like to have a stove with a boiler installed right away ?! wink Well, yes. There is not much to worry about...
      2. Just_Kvasha
        Just_Kvasha 17 January 2023 08: 27
        +5
        Of course, the domestic market will not block everything, but it should be the main one. The capacity of the market depends not only on volumes, but also on prices, incomes, tariffs, etc.
      3. Aag
        Aag 19 January 2023 19: 09
        0
        "... The domestic market will not "eat" everything mined..."
        And tried to "feed"?
        I agree - without deep processing, technology - it will not work. Did they really work in this direction?
        "... the bulk of the profits of both Gazprom, on which all flows and gas processing plants are built, and the state budget, are still formed by exports ..."
        And how did it happen? Who formed such a scheme? Are not those interested whose personal fleet is more expensive than the NK Navy of the Russian Federation? Who is the negotiator from the Russian Federation?
    2. stelltok
      stelltok 17 January 2023 19: 19
      +1
      the gas pipeline should be a plant for deep processing of gas into plastics, fertilizers, etc.,

      The structure of exports of imports of the Russian Federation is as follows. What the Russian Federation needs most is not plastic.
      The Russian Federation needs microelectronics, machine tools, mechanical engineering, medical devices, medical drugs, chemistry.
  7. rocket757
    rocket757 17 January 2023 09: 39
    0
    However, New Delhi's oil demarche immediately reminded of the difficulties that Russia may face in gas trade as well. After all, as you know, gas prices have traditionally been and formally remain tied to exchange oil prices.
    . Well, yes, the concept of "friendly", when big money is at stake, is not relevant.
    What will happen next ... but who knows.
    Let's sit on the couch and see what happens and how it turns out.
  8. Adrey
    Adrey 17 January 2023 09: 50
    +9
    Currently, according to various estimates, the discount reaches 12-15 dollars per barrel.

    Either the article was moderated for a very long time (which is doubtful), or the authors did not bother to look at the real data, or they are simply disingenuous.
    16.01.23 Ministry of Finance published the calculation of the export duty for February. It is noted that the average price of Urals (from which the duty is calculated) for the period from December 15 to January 14 was $46.82. The average Brent price for this period was $81.5. It turns out that the spread has increased to $35 or 43% (!) This is a new anti-record.

    Something like this request. And there is still a price ceiling for oil products ahead recourse
  9. dfk-80
    dfk-80 17 January 2023 10: 41
    +2
    Only the presence of the domestic market and the maximum processing of gas into products. At first, everyone will resist, then they will get used to it.
    It's just stupid to drive gas to Germany for processing, instead of manufacturing and delivering products.
  10. Vodila
    Vodila 17 January 2023 11: 49
    +5
    60 is cheap, but 10-15 is normal! business in Russian
  11. Tests
    Tests 17 January 2023 14: 04
    +3
    Dear authors! Why on the cards. that you only cited the western route from Gorno-Altaisk of the planned gas pipeline with the material shown? Didn't you sign an agreement with the MPR on the construction of a gas pipeline to the PRC through the territory of the MPR?
  12. Tests
    Tests 17 January 2023 15: 24
    +1
    Adrey (Andrey), the high-sulphur grade Arctic Oil (ARCO) is also coming to China, which the Prirazlomnaya OIRFP produces. ESPO is on the pipeline. Our media are silent about the Vityaz and Sokol grades from Sakhalin, perhaps the journalists do not know that the production of low-sulphur grades of oil in the Russian Federation is growing every year? Sakhalin Blend has been around since 2015. And Siberian Light (in its composition, the grade is close to the reference Brent and WTI), today it is used not only to “deboost” high-sulfur oil in order to get the well-known Urals, but this pure grade of oil is also sent to Asia for export ...
    1. Adrey
      Adrey 17 January 2023 18: 00
      +1
      Testov (Eugene), "for what I bought, for that I sold" request. I still think that the average Urals jumped out at $46.82 for a reason. with a spread of 43%. Before, the difference was SIGNIFICANTLY less.
      1. _palych_
        _palych_ 18 January 2023 16: 26
        0
        Yes, at least 10 bucks to sell to the Indians, how our oil gets to the Indians, teleports or something, it’s not profitable to drive it there. Therefore, the Persians drive oil to the Indians under the guise of our Urals. , America complies with sanctions against Iran, our enemies do not sell, but they have their own interest, the Persians trade, the Indians take their percentage.
  13. Rinat Chumakov
    Rinat Chumakov 17 January 2023 15: 32
    +2
    Everything was sold, subsoil, honor, conscience, dignity, it remains to sell the people of Russia ...
    Apparently there, behind the wall, they completely consider us to be idiots, or they think that we don’t see or hear anything.
    They took us for sheep...
    The people's wealth of the earth is the national good, and should belong to Russia, and to all the people of Russia!
  14. Rinat Chumakov
    Rinat Chumakov 17 January 2023 16: 26
    +1
    Conclusion, we are stupid and we don’t know how to sell anything and we can’t, and even then at a big discount ...
    We'll get up soon...
  15. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 17 January 2023 16: 47
    +6
    It is high time to turn off this oil and gas capsule - to leave these resources for yourself and your needs. These resources are the few things that can make our products competitive in the global market, but we prefer to drive them raw to occupy niches and create jobs.
    Foolish logic in the style of "steal a box of vodka, sell it and drink the money away."
    1. Adrey
      Adrey 17 January 2023 17: 56
      +2
      What will happen after February 5 remains to be seen. It is not a fact that under the current conditions, the products of OUR processing will be competitive (well, or at what price).
    2. stelltok
      stelltok 17 January 2023 19: 27
      -2
      but we prefer to drive them raw to fill niches and create jobs.

      Well, the Russian Federation needs microelectronics.
      For example, you need laptops.
      How to make import substitution?
      They built a factory of 4 walls.
      Ok, where do you get people?
      Theoretically, the only option is to use robots instead of missing people.
      Like here for example
      https://youtu.be/ij_AMoQcZFU
      However, robotics is poorly developed.
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 17 January 2023 20: 35
        +4
        We need to strive for the widespread introduction of robotics in production, we have no alternatives. We have a miserable 1 million people on 7/140 of the land, and if we want to be a real superpower, we must make the most of their intellectual and creative potential, and not "muscular strength" and spinal cord.
        So yes, microelectronics is a key area for us, because without it we will not have our own robotics. We won’t have a ready-made solution suitable for launch here, because at the moment, if I’m not mistaken, we can make microcircuits for the 270 nm topology on our own equipment. We make 90 nm (our most advanced technical process) on foreign equipment, copy and run in production that we cannot (and therefore scale), despite the fact that this technical process is no longer appropriate. modern wide commercial requirements.
        That is, in any case, we will need the broadest and most costly state programs linked into a single plan and in several areas.
        1) Creation of a comprehensive picture of the dependence of our population and consumers of all types (within the country) on IEC (microelectronic components), showing Roughly how many and what types we need per year. This will give us an understanding of which of these we could gradually replace with domestic ones (and thereby economically support the project at the end of the first stages). If desired (I believe that they should), this program of action should be extended as much as possible to the CIS, because the wider the coverage of the "support" for it, the larger the rational production will be and the more available funds for modernization, etc.
        After all, the industry should pay for itself for a significant part, and then completely reach profitability.
        2) Formation of a "road map" that takes into account the volume and needs of the market, forecasts and wishes of the largest players. The predictive picture will give us a clear image of the key focus of efforts (the most demanded technical process for development in the SHORT-TERM and in the medium-term), depending on. from which we will distribute resources and forces, force certain actions. For example, we find out that the lion's share of income is in the near. Mastering the 10 nm process technology would give us 28 years, which means that the lion's focus of efforts should be on this direction.
        3) R&D organizations and flooding scientific teams with money and available information (as was the case with the nuclear program at one time), in parallel with the construction of "base areas" that can both cover our minimum, critical needs, and be flexibly upgraded based on the results of R&D. The formation of teams is also desirable for this stage. The existing production, experimental production and theoreticians should be as close as possible.

        Analytics and planning should be the key here. Meetings with interested major participants (consumers, manufacturers, representatives of scientific teams and business) should be organized and conducted at the highest level. After forming a picture of the result, the whole question will be only in money and will, because we still have capable minds.

        P / s Another thing is that I, of course, understand how far we are now infinitely far from this.
        1. stelltok
          stelltok 17 January 2023 21: 23
          +1
          It is necessary to strive for the widespread introduction of robotics in production,

          So this is the only salvation.

          we have no alternatives. On 1/7 of the land we have a miserable 140 million people

          That is the whole point.


          So yes, microelectronics is a key area for us,

          Zhirinovsky said that robotics is the only thing that will save the economy.

          P / s Another thing is that I, of course, understand how far we are now infinitely far from this.


          Far, far away.
          But it can be accelerated, for this you need the will and money.
          There are engineers.
          About money.
          well, for example.
          1) A lot of money goes to all sorts of organizations like WHO, OSCE, IMF, ECHR, ....
          In fact, these organizations are not needed.
          You need to go out -> now the money has appeared.
          2) Why are they building things that are not needed at the moment
          Recently there was news about the construction of ski slopes.
          Are they really needed now?
          The development of sports is good.
          But strategically - microelectronics should be more important.
          I have not heard that the Chinese were good at hockey, or football, or the ski relay, but the Chinese have their own space station and advanced microelectronics.
          And they don't seem to care.
          3) About loans to other countries that are then written off, I generally keep quiet.
          That is, if you strongly start to squeeze other non-strategic areas (sports ....), leave all sorts of organizations, then a good amount of money will already appear.
  16. MMA Plover
    MMA Plover 17 January 2023 20: 30
    +6
    Moreover, Indians buy oil only in the port of India, where they still have to deliver it and pay for insurance. As a result, Russia in fact sells them not for 45, but for 35, but they are silent about this. Then the oil is processed and goes to the US-EU, India is simply appointed as the mother country of the gasket. And the sanctions are not violated, and the wolves are fed, and the sheep are sheared to meat. The goal has been achieved, the Russian budget gets crumbs off the table, the West gets what it used to get, bypassing all the threats to GDP.
  17. Tests
    Tests 17 January 2023 21: 09
    +1
    Adrey (Andrey), respected, beloved by all of us, the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation, calculates the price of a barrel of Urals oil using the port of Primorsk, as the most remote from Southeast Asia. Our wise men do not include transportation and insurance costs into the price of oil. We largely abandoned the services of Western insurance companies in 2022. Part of the oil comes from the Black Sea, which means that the path to the consumer is much shorter. About the ESPO variety - it goes only through the pipeline, no one knew the price even before the CBO, and even more so after the morning of February 24.02.2022, 40. "Vityaz", "Sokol", Sakhalin Blend, mainly go through the pipeline and they are more expensive than the Urals blend. Therefore, they listened to a discount of 50-202%, removed the noodles from their ears and went on ... In what I agree with you by 5%, this is with the following: "What will happen after February 2022, we will still have to look." Although, about the purchases of Russian tankers in 5, not new tankers, about the "Latvian mixture", Kazakhstani oil through the "Druzhba" in Germany and other ways to sneeze and give a damn about the SS Sanctions were discussed many times on different channels ... The EU refused pipeline gas from the Russian Federation . And Gazprom's LNG was delivered to Greece from the Baltic in autumn by gas carrier tankers. And Finland rows and rows our LNG, since the gas carrier is not far to go across the Baltic ... Let's wait and see ... The other day, Mr. Oreshkin came to my native Arkhangelsk region. Visited the diamond mine. Grib (and they plan to develop it for another 6 years in total) and enterprises for the production of wood pellets in Arkhangelsk (they were left without sales in 2022 countries of old Europe). Yes, plus all the loggers of Karelia, the Arkhangelsk region and Komi, who supplied their products to the EU and Norway, now, because of the tariffs of Russian Railways, they do not know how to transport everything produced to Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan and Southeast Asia. The Russian Federation does not have a merchant fleet to transport everything to Asia along the Northern Sea Route. Here's another problem that popped up in XNUMX. And how to solve it - no one can clearly say ...
    1. Adrey
      Adrey 18 January 2023 11: 07
      +1
      Testov (Evgeny) thank you for the clarification hi
  18. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 17 January 2023 22: 05
    +1
    Why do I need all this information? recourse
    One hundred rubles for oil / million, for oil ...
    In the production of a particular plant / a particular workshop / in a particular toolkit, nothing much has changed ... request
    You come, there is nothing ...
    What kind of defense bolt to fulfill the order?!.. I don't know gentlemen. hi
  19. Fangaro
    Fangaro 17 January 2023 23: 53
    +1
    This is probably stupid to say, but...
    Is it technologically possible to stop pipeline deliveries of oil, gas, ammonia, grain, nickel, titanium, platinum and palladium for export, electricity through power lines from Russia in the direction of the west in a week? Not the West, but towards Europe. And a year to live without oil and gas and other export earnings. We won't live? Will Russia be like the USA in 1933?
  20. Eug
    Eug 18 January 2023 08: 28
    +2
    India in some areas is quite stubbornly making attempts to get away from Russian influence, in particular in military aviation (Rafali), shipbuilding (wide use of Israeli systems, especially air defense), and in the Ground Forces, the situation is most likely similar (I don’t know for sure ). It is another matter whether these attempts will be successful (it is unlikely that anyone will agree to upgrade more than 200 Su-30MKIs without the participation of the developer). But the trend is not good and, I would say, alarming for Russia. The supply of raw materials will never be able to fully replace the supply of weapons and military equipment ....
  21. Vladimir Sedov
    Vladimir Sedov 18 January 2023 09: 06
    -2
    As I understand it from the comments, the yellow bvakit dug in here
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  23. for
    for 18 January 2023 12: 59
    +1
    It's not a big deal, let's build the "Pakistan Stream" and things will get better.
  24. lelik613
    lelik613 18 January 2023 19: 04
    0
    Why don't the pussy dancers go B, Na, and K...? We have enough of our willing cheap gasoline, solarium and fuel oil. And "a lot of wild monkeys" can take self-satisfaction.
  25. Roman Efremov
    Roman Efremov 18 January 2023 19: 29
    -1
    I remember there was an article here on VO about our gas pipelines. The author cursed the power of Siberia in full: the pipe is half empty, it does not pay off!!! And they are also going to build a second one - these are fools !!! The Turkish stream also cursed.
    Well, did the Power of Siberia with the Turkish Stream come in handy for us? ..........
    1. Roman Efremov
      Roman Efremov 21 January 2023 13: 55
      0
      Someone put me a minus, but did not answer - there is nothing to object to, right? laughing
  26. Illanatol
    Illanatol 19 January 2023 13: 23
    +1
    Quote: Just_Kvasha
    Of course, the West can block the export of such products as well, but firstly, there are other markets, incl. and internal - the main thing for us, and secondly, if everything is blocked for us, then we are defeated by the West, and then there is nothing to puff up and pose as great.


    They will not block everything, we are too big and significant in the world market of raw materials and energy carriers.
    And the most significant market for us is really domestic. We will exist independently of the majority of the rest ... and no worse than now.
    Let's finally get off the raw material needle. "Need will teach you how to bake pies."
  27. Reklastik
    Reklastik 22 January 2023 07: 59
    0
    Damn, who are these authors, where are they from in VO? This is not Skomorokhov with Staver, this is high quality. Like Andrey from Chelyabinsk.