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Russian servicemen received smartphones that allow detecting the positions of Ukrainian artillery

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Russian servicemen received smartphones that allow detecting the positions of Ukrainian artillery

Solving the tasks of determining the location of the positions of the artillery of the Armed Forces of Ukraine can become easier thanks to another technical innovation. Officers of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation have recently received smartphones with special software that allows you to determine the coordinates of enemy artillery by sound. This is reported by the magazine "Arsenal of the Fatherland".


The new smartphones are in fact a non-standard means of sound reconnaissance, which greatly simplifies the work of the military in detecting enemy positions by sound. This is very important, given the specifics of hostilities at the present time.

As the magazine writes,Arsenal of the Fatherland”, four servicemen with smartphones are located 3-6 kilometers from the contact line. The military personnel then read the sound detection time. They synchronize the data and then send it to the central tablet. The ZvukTsentr program installed on it calculates exactly where the position of the enemy artillery is located.

It should be noted that if the determination of the coordinates of enemy artillery pieces is accurate, and these technical innovations are widely used in the armed forces and are supplied to many artillery units, then the work of Russian artillerymen on the front line will be greatly simplified.

Recall that problems with the detection of enemy artillery positions during a special military operation seriously hampered counter-battery combat and often led to unforeseen losses of both military equipment and personnel.
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  1. Ivan Ivanov
    Ivan Ivanov 12 January 2023 11: 11
    +6
    The news is definitely good. Now about the sore point: Recently, the trampoline Burbock jumped to Kharkov,
    that it was worth arranging a couple of flights there, and comrade. Putin and co.
    1. Silver99
      Silver99 12 January 2023 11: 17
      +9
      No need to loudly publicly voice all the goodies ((((They put it well, wet them, boasting on the battlefield is not welcome, let it be a surprise for adversaries.
      1. Vita vko
        Vita vko 12 January 2023 11: 40
        +14
        Quote from Silver99
        publicly voice all the goodies

        Yes, what goodies are there .. Cellular communication at the forefront is, in principle, nonsense. The enemy has the most modern American means of electronic intelligence. It will be easy not only to determine the location of smartphones, but also to intercept all data and messages. Moreover, even if a normal Russian message encryption program is installed, the vulnerabilities of the smartphones themselves remain.
        1. BARKAS
          BARKAS 12 January 2023 13: 24
          +2
          Cellular communication at the forefront is, in principle, nonsense.

          Cellular communication is unnecessary from a smartphone, only a gps microphone and an installed application are required!
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 12 January 2023 14: 16
            +2
            Quote: BARKAS
            Cellular communication is unnecessary from a smartphone, only a gps microphone and an installed application are required!

            For accurate detection and synchronization, will it not be necessary to accurately bind smartphones to the area? Although GPS / Glonass does not seem to require access to the network. But the connection between the phones requires!
          2. Oleg Ogorod
            Oleg Ogorod 12 January 2023 19: 47
            0
            It is a masterpiece! What will you do with the sound in your phone in a phone isolated from the outside world (without communication)? Record and listen to it repeatedly?
            Or will you have a field with a wire with the Internet? So connecting a phone to a wired Internet is not at all easy.
            1. Goto
              Goto 13 January 2023 13: 46
              +1
              Really difficult.
          3. stankow
            stankow 15 January 2023 22: 41
            0
            Communication is needed to transfer data to the tablet, where the coordinates are determined.
        2. single-n
          single-n 13 January 2023 09: 24
          0
          no cellular network needed. But the fact that these phones will emit is bad.
        3. KCA
          KCA 14 January 2023 12: 52
          0
          It is impossible to simultaneously decrypt hundreds of cellular transmissions and radio communications in general, you can record and then decrypt, but by this time another hundred messages will arrive, especially if the encryption algorithms are not related to Apple, Google, Microsoft, but will be Russian, especially at a distance of 3 km there is no need to switch to cellular communication protocols at all, and a second is enough to transfer a packet between smartphones already tied to each other
    2. credo
      credo 12 January 2023 11: 22
      +4
      Quote: IvanIvanov
      The news is definitely good...

      I do not presume to judge, but it is interesting to know the ability of these smartphones to determine the position of the enemy in the event of an artillery cannonade from several guns not located next to each other. recourse
      1. your1970
        your1970 12 January 2023 11: 42
        +5
        Quote: credo
        Quote: IvanIvanov
        The news is definitely good...

        I do not presume to judge, but it is interesting to know the ability of these smartphones to determine the position of the enemy in the event of an artillery cannonade from several guns not located next to each other. recourse

        And how did the Soviet AZK-5 sound-measuring reconnaissance complex work? Everything is the same ..
        Only instead of machines-bases - fighters with smartphones, and instead of CPUs - a tablet ...
        1. credo
          credo 12 January 2023 11: 53
          +5
          Quote: your1970
          And how did the Soviet AZK-5 sound-measuring reconnaissance complex work? Everything is the same .. Only instead of machine-bases - fighters with smartphones, and instead of TsPshki - a tablet ...

          No, well, if the capabilities of the complex based on machines have shrunk to the size of a smartphone, then this is a clear success. The main thing is that it works better and calculates the coordinates of the enemy many times faster.
      2. Vladimir 290
        Vladimir 290 12 January 2023 11: 55
        0
        That's right, sound-measuring reconnaissance complexes have existed since the 1st World War, incl. and in Russia. Their main drawback is interference with massive shooting. As I understand it, in modern complexes they are somehow trying to fight this, but I strongly doubt it with smartphones. Although, under certain conditions, there may be results of their application. Well, I hope there is protection against detection of such devices.
      3. KCA
        KCA 14 January 2023 12: 55
        +1
        This is a cannonade for a person, but for electronics it will be separate shots, quite spaced apart in time
    3. Lionnvrsk
      Lionnvrsk 12 January 2023 11: 40
      -1
      Quote: IvanIvanov
      and tov. Putin and co.

      Damn what kind of comrades have you found for yourself! smile
    4. YOUR
      YOUR 12 January 2023 11: 56
      +3
      What is it worth arranging a couple of flights to "decision centers" in / in Ukraine? But ....
      The Americans have ruined Iraq. Firstly, they put interference on all ranges such that we felt it, more precisely, not with us, but in our near abroad Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan, the second strike of the Kyrgyz Republic on these same decision-making centers on communication centers, on the positions of radar, air defense systems, almost immediately after the strike of the CD, air strikes, regardless of the losses. During the air raids themselves, aviation received tasks in the air, aircraft controllers moved with the troops, plus at least 2 reconnaissance satellites constantly hung over Iraq. The time from target detection to strike was reduced to 5 minutes.
      And where is it all with us?
      1. KCA
        KCA 14 January 2023 13: 02
        0
        Where are these decision centers? Even if you hit the Rada, the presidential palace, the Ministry of Defense, the Main Intelligence Directorate, what will cover it? A dozen secretaries and a hundred small clerks and officers, they don’t sit in their residence, well, they have some kind of communication lines, they will collapse, but for sure they are all duplicated in other places and bunkers
  2. voice of reason
    voice of reason 12 January 2023 11: 11
    0
    Sounds interesting, I haven't experienced it myself. But I want to note that there are useful new items in the Russian army and the allies. In particular, the Orion system is a very useful tool. And ballistic computers and binding to the GLONASS system and calculators for direct and inverse geodetic problems. And coordinate converters with direct correspondence display. Only now the cards let us down, I would like newer ones, but there is an opportunity to load Yandex ones as well.
  3. Petrovsk
    Petrovsk 12 January 2023 11: 12
    +5
    But faith does not allow to provide the art unit with at least normal drones? Mavics from volunteers come anyway. And without aerial reconnaissance, it is pointless to shoot at the forest shelves at random.
    1. shinobi
      shinobi 12 January 2023 11: 27
      +5
      And drones are needed and similar sounders. Portable stations for cannon-battery radars (calculation of 2 people) are generally needed like air yesterday, although the device itself is almost 40 years old already. Everything is needed. Everything is lacking.
    2. stankow
      stankow 15 January 2023 22: 47
      0
      There is an optical art. intelligence service. She is faster and more accurate.
  4. Alien From
    Alien From 12 January 2023 11: 12
    +3
    The point is of course necessary, the question is quantity and efficiency ....
  5. Paul Siebert
    Paul Siebert 12 January 2023 11: 16
    +9
    Somehow it's hard to believe in the effectiveness of such devices ...
    By sound? Doppler effect?
    But what about different weather conditions - rain, fog, snow, time of day, atmospheric pressure, season?
    After all, the terrain is not the same everywhere. Waste heaps, oak forests, hills, steppes, ravines...
    Wonderful are Your works, O Lord!
    1. BARKAS
      BARKAS 12 January 2023 11: 28
      +5
      There, only the coordinates are determined by the difference in the propagation time of sound to four smartphones, and the heights are usually known for a long time.
    2. your1970
      your1970 12 January 2023 11: 45
      +5
      Quote: Paul Siebert
      Somehow it's hard to believe in the effectiveness of such devices ...
      By sound? Doppler effect?
      But what about different weather conditions - rain, fog, snow, time of day, atmospheric pressure, season?
      After all, the terrain is not the same everywhere. Waste heaps, oak forests, hills, steppes, ravines...
      Wonderful are Your works, O Lord!
      VPZK complexes, and later AZK-5 and 7, were fully operational in the USSR. This is the replacement of 5 ZILs 131 and 20 fighters with current means
    3. stankow
      stankow 15 January 2023 22: 50
      0
      Weather conditions are taken into account - temperature, humidity, air pressure. Triliteration, no Doppler effect.
  6. Elephant
    Elephant 12 January 2023 11: 22
    0
    How can this be possible in conditions when everyone is shooting from different directions, including from small arms in close proximity?
    1. Simple
      Simple 12 January 2023 11: 39
      +1
      The sound of a shot for each type of weapon can be identified by discrete components.

      And for this, the handicam microphone is not well suited.

      And all these characteristic features of the area can be leveled by superimposing signals from smartphones on the digital twin of the area, where weather conditions, seasons and other information merge.
      1. Elephant
        Elephant 12 January 2023 14: 10
        0
        Quote: Simple
        The sound of a shot for each type of weapon can be identified by discrete components.

        Yeah, especially the types of weapons available on both sides, such as D-30, Gradov, 82-120 mortars, etc.) And in general, maybe the use of counter-battery radars will have a greater effect?
        1. single-n
          single-n 13 January 2023 09: 29
          0
          If correctly paired with other means of intelligence, then the norms. Americans demonstrated such anti-sniper crap 10-15 years ago. Only she hung herself on the car. But how to transfer data from phones? it's an active radio.
        2. stankow
          stankow 15 January 2023 22: 58
          0
          Elephant everything that shoots is highlighted and marked on the map. Your weapons too. And then on the map you can immediately see who is on this side and who is on the other side of the front.
    2. stankow
      stankow 15 January 2023 22: 53
      0
      Spectral analysis and sound recognition are carried out. The shot of the gun, the shot of the riflemen, the gaps are clearly separated. And sound reconnaissance posts near rifle cells are simply not located wink
  7. vovochkarzhevsky
    vovochkarzhevsky 12 January 2023 11: 24
    +7
    According to the Arsenal of the Fatherland magazine, four servicemen with smartphones are stationed 3-6 kilometers from the contact line. The military personnel then read the sound detection time. They synchronize the data and then send it to the central tablet. The ZvukTsentr program installed on it calculates exactly where the position of the enemy artillery is located.


    That is, data transfer is carried out manually? And I'm not saying that the sound direction finding itself does not suffer from special accuracy.
    It looks like there is a real shortage of counter-battery radars in the troops. Which are really capable of accurately calculating positions according to the parameters of the projectile trajectory.
    For that matter, at least place sound direction finders on ultra-small UAVs to eliminate errors in the surface propagation of sound vibrations, with satellite navigation, and real-time data transmission. Such equipment will really cost a penny, like the cheapest smartphone.
    Although, for capitalist production, the main thing is to get more from the budget, crow louder, and give out ...
    In short, we are waiting for the next know-how type.
    1. faterdom
      faterdom 12 January 2023 11: 58
      +2
      I also think it will be effective instead of four! operators on smartphones, to make three operators, but with drones with sound reconnaissance, plus optical, or even infrared.
      And sticking out in advanced artillery gunners with smartphones as a tool ... As a concept, it's curious, but in practice they are almost suicide bombers. Their task at the front end is the first - to disguise themselves and hide, and here they will fonit-loom with smartphones, begging for a mine on their heads.
      It’s time to stop counting the enemy as a diode, he will be ahead of us in many technical things.
    2. Andriuha077
      Andriuha077 12 January 2023 12: 09
      +2
      Owl hears a bullet
      In 2008, the ROC was opened in the interests of the RF Ministry of Defense to create an automated portable complex for acoustic reconnaissance and destruction. In 2007, warnings about the shelling of an aircraft (helicopter) with small arms. Passive (standby) mode of operation, providing the system with noise immunity and masking; detection of several firing positions from which fire is fired simultaneously; long-term continuous operation (a month or more) in an unattended automated mode; all-weather; work both in the daytime and at night in a complex background-target environment; small weight and size characteristics; the ability to work on the move; relatively low cost of equipment.
      RFNC-VNIIEF
      A similar system called SADS (Small Arms Detection System) is produced in Israel. And the Canadian company MDA recently designed the Ferret device, which is now being field tested in Afghanistan. "SOVA" has a number of advantages in comparison with similar foreign-made systems. First of all, it is the ability to detect in real time the coordinates of the target with an accuracy sufficient for its fire destruction.
      Fire Detection System "SOVA"
      December 3 2011
      https://topwar.ru/8976-sistema-obnaruzheniya-ognya-sova.html

      1. stankow
        stankow 15 January 2023 23: 02
        0
        The owl hears a flying bullet, and not the shot itself. For art. intelligence is not good.
  8. AAC
    AAC 12 January 2023 11: 25
    +3
    Everything would be fine, only smartphones will have to be switched on for transmission and they will attract projectiles like a magnet.
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 12 January 2023 13: 13
      0
      Quote: AAC
      Everything would be fine, only smartphones will have to be switched on for transmission and they will attract projectiles like a magnet.

      Everyone has come up with this device for a long time This device is called an initiator, you can turn on the switched off phone, it helps only if you remove the battery. A lot of them were taken away from Georgians 080808
    2. cpls22
      cpls22 12 January 2023 15: 41
      +2
      four smartphones, distributed over the LBS and switched on periodically, this is not a constantly emitting powerful radar with its own characteristic handwriting. And a fighter with a smartphone can leave the place of data transmission in the next second, but the radar crew cannot.
    3. stankow
      stankow 15 January 2023 23: 06
      0
      Data is transmitted in very short bursts, thousandths of a second. You won't get very...
  9. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 12 January 2023 11: 25
    +1
    Everything that benefits the army (in this case, the gunners) is already good because it helps to destroy the enemy and save the life of your own l / s.
  10. Artillerieunteroffizier
    Artillerieunteroffizier 12 January 2023 11: 29
    +5
    Classic sound intelligence, which was invented back in the First World War. It used to be associated with a lot of effort and work, today everything works by itself with a mobile phone and tablet. A great idea that gives quick results with simple means.
  11. rocket757
    rocket757 12 January 2023 11: 43
    +3
    Solving the tasks of determining the location of the positions of the artillery of the Armed Forces of Ukraine can become easier thanks to another technical innovation. Officers of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation have recently received smartphones with special software that allows you to determine the coordinates of enemy artillery by sound. This is reported by the magazine "Arsenal of the Fatherland".
    . Really sholi???
    A simple smartphone ... yes, even if not simple, but super fancy, can replace an artillery position detection station .... wink April 1 is still a long way off.
    Seriously, you can make something like this more compact, even if some kind of gadget is used there, such as a smartphone / tablet, but still it is special equipment to perform special tasks ...
    Something like this.
    1. ShDE
      ShDE 12 January 2023 12: 38
      0
      So the time for sending-processing by servers is unpredictable. You call from one phone to another and hear your own voice with a delay. I suspect: at best, there is someone's commercial interest behind these geeks
      1. Elephant
        Elephant 12 January 2023 14: 26
        0
        And it’s also good when cell towers stand safe and sound on the line of fire and power is supplied to them. ) Really some dubious project
    2. stankow
      stankow 15 January 2023 23: 12
      0
      A smartphone is dozens of times more powerful than a sound intelligence station in terms of processor power. But in terms of LAN protection, mobility, power supply, microphone sensitivity, weather protection cannot be compared. It also cannot receive seismic waves - those that are not in the air, go on the ground.
  12. yuriy55
    yuriy55 12 January 2023 11: 56
    +2
    According to the Arsenal of the Fatherland magazine, four servicemen with smartphones are stationed 3-6 kilometers from the contact line. The military personnel then read the sound detection time. They synchronize the data and then send it to the central tablet.

    Here is the geometry.
    * * *
    I fully share the concern of many users about the unhindered movement of Western Nazis in different parts of Ukraine.
    Nasto (damn) eat!!! am
  13. akropin
    akropin 12 January 2023 12: 05
    +2
    4 fighters with smartphones - this is understandable. But it seems to me that 4 quadrocopters are more technologically advanced.
    1. bairat
      bairat 12 January 2023 12: 32
      +1
      The whine of the copter will drown out all other sounds.
      1. akropin
        akropin 12 January 2023 13: 36
        +1
        The noise of the copter is a sound with a frequency within known limits and it is not difficult to "cut" it. Especially on the ground, where their guns and mortars are firing, the sounds of various equipment of background noise are not few.
  14. Maks1995
    Maks1995 12 January 2023 12: 06
    +1
    In principle, the idea is working.
    But the feeling does not leave that NIAM is news (of which there were many), which will not be remembered in a week .....
  15. ShDE
    ShDE 12 January 2023 12: 32
    0
    And these miracle smartphones are not equipped with WhatsApp? Here are the doubts I have about such gadgets at the front.
  16. APASUS
    APASUS 12 January 2023 13: 02
    -1
    They have been fighting for almost a year, and this equipment has appeared only now. Another 080808 Georgians spotted civilians like that and hammered at them as we slowly harnessed
  17. Ural resident
    Ural resident 12 January 2023 13: 09
    +1
    But what about the complexes "Zoo"? Nothing is heard about them. At first, they seemed to be used.
  18. Teledroid
    Teledroid 12 January 2023 13: 17
    0
    At one time I played with phone applications that analyze sounds. The sensitivity and range of modern telephone microphones far exceeds the capabilities of the average human ear, and most likely far exceeds the capabilities of specialized military junk. I'm not talking about the possibilities for digital analysis of sounds. So I believe that phones for direction finding shots can be used. The only question is to bring this system to mind, well, and make it safe enough for phone users. In fact, the telephones necessary for the operation of the system can work without a person nearby. Until the battery runs out. The only question is - what the hell was information about this system published? Ukrainians may well do something similar or even stupidly steal the necessary software with the help of hackers or something like that.
  19. Boniface
    Boniface 12 January 2023 15: 37
    0
    Well, in the field - probably such direction finding takes place! But in the conditions of forests, plantations, ravines, hills, buildings - the sound is significantly distorted and reflected many times, it fades in the forest belt - I don’t know how exactly, taking into account all these interferences, the place will be determined.
  20. Oleg Ogorod
    Oleg Ogorod 12 January 2023 19: 42
    -2
    Tryndets, insanity not only grew stronger, it also took root in corruption.
    Smartphones have already killed many fighters in Makiivka. Now they are offered to be distributed to fighters as a weapon against the enemy.
    Here I can only recall the respected Lavrov: DB!
    We don't need drones at all, we don't need reconnaissance aircraft, we don't need satellites. We still don't have them. They don't sell. Let's distribute banal phones to fighters with a program of their correct boys. Rather let them use their phones. To not spend. For more profit.
    Why not walkie-talkies with calibrated microphones?
    And finally, we have produced a large amount of Penicillin for these purposes. On the basis of the Rostekhov KAMAZ. Which stands high up like a young one.
    What are the problems then in the Russian army with the detection of a shot of enemy artillery?
    For this mold, a lot of money was paid from the budget for development and production.
    Maybe then ask first from the pimps of this mold for budget money?
  21. isv000
    isv000 12 January 2023 22: 48
    +1
    And what prevents you from laying out smartphones with quadrocopters without risking fighters? And then, in the shelter, on the central tablet, synchronize the data and issue the control center to the batteries and divisions ...
    1. Teledroid
      Teledroid 12 January 2023 23: 46
      +1
      You can decompose anything with quadrocopters, then it’s hard to assemble :)

      It’s better to use quadrics later to clarify the position of the target. Or to drop grenades. Well, if distance allows, of course.
  22. Viktor Grishchenko
    Viktor Grishchenko 13 January 2023 09: 26
    0
    They surrender themselves at all levels and there is no need to look for spies
  23. Vahmurka
    Vahmurka 13 January 2023 10: 25
    +1
    It's pointless to argue without seeing the device. Moreover, current observers tend to confuse concepts. It can be a smartphone form factor device with its own communication channel. In addition to the microphone, he may have a seismic sensor and etc. It can be an excellent device for scouts and raid groups.
    1. Goto
      Goto 13 January 2023 13: 51
      0
      Or maybe a smartphone with a modified communication module. There are no special microphones in the "smartphone", it just connects to the detection station most likely.
      I wonder why only now appeared?
      https://topwar.ru/184176-v-minoborony-razrabatyvajut-smartfon-dlja-rossijskih-voennosluzhaschih.html
  24. Denis812
    Denis812 14 January 2023 09: 08
    0
    100% the author forgot to add about the presence of not only updated software, but also the need for omnidirectional microphones.

    Without this, no smartphone, no matter how wonderful it may be, will not be able to do what the author writes about.
    And it looks like they upgraded Android to a new version, downloaded the applicuhu from the Rustor and go ahead with shouts of "cheers".
    Rave. :)
    1. stankow
      stankow 15 January 2023 23: 18
      0
      For sound reconnaissance, narrowly focused microphones are needed. Especially in the vertical plane.