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In Soledar, the majority of Ukrainian prisoners are paratroopers trained in the UK

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In Soledar, the majority of Ukrainian prisoners are paratroopers trained in the UK

In the process of the liberation of Soledar by the Russian troops, the Ukrainian formations suffered huge losses in personnel and military equipment. Many Ukrainian fighters were taken prisoner. Since the Kyiv regime also threw its best units to defend Soledar, the majority of prisoners of war are servicemen of the 77th Airmobile Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU).


The formation of this brigade became known in the fall of 2022. It began to be formed in Zhytomyr on the basis of the 199th training center of the air assault troops of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. She was supposed to be the eighth brigade in the composition of these "elite" troops.

The brigade consisted of at least three battalions. The brigades were armed with Tanks, so Soviet and Western-made infantry fighting vehicles. The servicemen of the brigade wore the uniform with crimson berets established in the air assault troops of Ukraine.

Most of the brigade's personnel received combat training in the UK. A special training center was created there to train the Ukrainian military. The brigade's military personnel were trained under the guidance of British military instructors.

However, training in a foreign training center did not help the "elite" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine: the fighters of the Russian PMC "Wagner" surrounded and destroyed a significant part of the brigade's personnel in Soledar. Many soldiers of the brigade were taken prisoner.

Yesterday, the founder of the Wagner PMC, Yevgeny Prigozhin, said that those fighters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine who did not stop resistance and did not surrender were destroyed. Prigozhin also ruled out the possibility of providing any "humanitarian corridors" for the release of prisoners.
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  1. Lumberjack_2
    Lumberjack_2 12 January 2023 10: 05
    +65
    Prigozhin ruled out the possibility of providing any "humanitarian corridors" for the release of prisoners. This is the thing, otherwise it lets go of those who are the most stoned and in the end we get them back on the front line
    1. Vyacheslav57
      Vyacheslav57 12 January 2023 10: 14
      -9
      Prigozhin ruled out the possibility of providing any "humanitarian corridors" for the release of prisoners. Here is the thing and then let go of those who are the most stubborn and in the end we get them back on the front line

      Remind me, please, when Prigozhin released those who were the most stoned prisoner? As we say, zvizdet is not to turn back bags.
      1. Ghost1
        Ghost1 12 January 2023 10: 34
        +23
        If only all lovers of "goodwill gestures" would not intervene from above, hoping that Western "partners" would appreciate the next message
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 13 January 2023 16: 50
          +1
          Prigozhin ruled out the possibility of providing any "humanitarian corridors" for the release of prisoners.
          And rightly so!

          For the speedy victory of Russia over the Nazi regime in Kyiv, the historical experience of fate in the release of inveterate Nazis in the ranks of Ukrainian prisoners of war after the capture of Mariupol by our troops suggests exactly this.
      2. Ivan Ivanov
        Ivan Ivanov 12 January 2023 10: 38
        +17
        Prigozhin did not let go, but at the beginning of the operation, the Armed Forces of Ukraine (those very respected comrades who were allegedly not Nazis) were simply squeezed out, leaving the corridors. this idiocy will be included in the textbooks of "military art"
        1. Postcode
          Postcode 12 January 2023 11: 18
          +3
          Please don't write nonsense. Firstly, in terms of organizing and conducting such operations, Prigogine does not decide anything, and no one asks him anything. He is only the OWNER of PMCs, he does not organize the database and does not manage them !!! PMCs operate as part of a general grouping of forces and means, acting in the direction that PMCs indicate and perform the tasks that they are ordered to! Now, no one ever made any "corridors" for the withdrawal of the enemy. The enemy has always sought to surround and destroy. But, it is not always possible to have time to surround him, the enemy is not stupid, understanding the risk of encirclement, he also decides to withdraw (as we did in the Kharkov direction), and the only question is whether the encirclement will have time to close or most of the troops will be able to withdraw .
          1. Arifon
            Arifon 12 January 2023 11: 57
            +8
            "... does not solve anything, and no one or anything..."
            "Nothing" - it is written together here, if it is interesting, of course, "no one" too, and "never" ...
            1. Postcode
              Postcode 13 January 2023 08: 23
              +1
              Thank you, I'll take into account, but in essence there is what?
              1. Fisherman
                Fisherman 13 January 2023 09: 57
                +12
                in essence, I’ll add that the level of Wagner is certainly high (yet the composition there was about 40% before the mobilization of prisoners, our officers from lieutenant to major, all motivated), but SAS is also known for its “successes” exclusively from the tales of British tabloids, but in fact on In the Malvinas, they got lost during the landing as much as 78 km and went out on their own, arranging a fight for a day (until they figured it out) ... but how did ours catch them in Syria in women's clothes? And how did they whine so that ours would let a group of British officers and SAS fighters out of the surrounded command post? They had a lot of things, but there were no successes against a serious opponent.
          2. Paragraph
            Paragraph 12 January 2023 18: 32
            +1
            The main thing here is not what "they will indicate." And how will they do it.
          3. Herman 4223
            Herman 4223 13 January 2023 21: 13
            0
            Well, nevertheless, deliberate exit corridors were made in history. For example, Konev in 1945 deliberately delayed closing the boiler in Silesia so that German troops would leave from there and not destroy a large industrial area in battles.
          4. Reklastik
            Reklastik 13 January 2023 21: 53
            -1
            Firstly, in terms of organizing and conducting such operations, Prigogine does not decide anything, and no one asks him anything
            - well, about "not" and "neither" I, as a techie, are not interested, although it hurts my eyes - my parents taught the quality of Soviet literary sources - God be their judge, but please tell us about this: who orders a private military company and on what basis. I'm really interested. Just say beforehand that you personally trust these sources, because you know them ... well, at least for the last 10-15 years.
        2. Hagakure
          Hagakure 13 January 2023 08: 13
          0
          Already entered. This is the practice of WWII .........
      3. SKVichyakow
        SKVichyakow 12 January 2023 10: 43
        +4
        Quote: Vyacheslav57
        Prigozhin ruled out the possibility of providing any "humanitarian corridors" for the release of prisoners. This is the thing, otherwise it lets go of those who are the most stoned and in the end we get them back on the front line

        I think the person wrote "otherwise we let go of those who are the most stoned." Typo, nothing more.
      4. Rage66
        Rage66 12 January 2023 11: 28
        -3
        Remind me of the Azovites who were exchanged for Medvedchuk?
        1. nik-mazur
          nik-mazur 12 January 2023 12: 34
          +9
          Remind me of the Azovites who were exchanged for Medvedchuk?
          Remind me better how many of our prisoners were released besides Medvedchuk.
          1. flyer
            flyer 13 January 2023 09: 39
            -1
            Our prisoners, our soldiers, our volunteers, this is the most valuable thing we have, but if the leadership easily changes the ideological leaders of Azov for prisoners, then there was no need to make statements about tribunals, trials, executions of Azov and foreign mercenaries.
          2. Fisherman
            Fisherman 13 January 2023 09: 53
            +6
            besides, Medvedchuk went as a "bonus" personally through Abramovich (crow to crow ... partners, after all). And what kind of "Azovites", then 1) not all of them were exchanged, 2) the most publicized ones were locked up in Turkey (moreover, at the request of Zelya, shameful people who surrendered with wagons of ammunition and grub are unprofitable for PR in Kyiv), 3) the rest (who with hands about legs still) are outwardly decent appearance, but in Mariupol long round-the-clock battles with the use of combat psychotropics ended for them with complete degradation of the liver, spleen, pancreas and kidneys, now they can’t even bring cartridges, they can’t get out of hospitals and only transplant organs recently taken from the wounded from the battlefield. So the dill didn’t get anything so good, one headache.
            1. single-n
              single-n 13 January 2023 13: 09
              +1
              (moreover, at the request of Zelya, he shamefulwho surrendered with wagons of ammunition and grub are unprofitable for PR in Kyiv),

              2 months to fight in complete encirclement and then surrendered on orders with weapons in their hands, are they shameful? Well, compared to the pregroupers and the Dobrozhestovites, probably yes.
              Yes, they are a symbol of resistance and the fact that even from captivity, heroes can return.
              What is the name of this Briton who AGAIN came to Ukraine?
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      5. ABC-schutze
        ABC-schutze 12 January 2023 13: 22
        +19
        In fact, Wagner and Prigozhin, as you put it, "sing" from the Soledar they took. Those. did something like more than "turning bags." And they did it successfully...

        But in general, this position is absolutely Suvorov. BEFORE the battle (battle), the enemy is invited to lay down their arms and, peacefully, get out. And then, "MY first shot" is already "bondage" (that is, - captivity ...), STORM - DEATH ...

        And since A. V. Suvorov never "zvizdel", his method ALWAYS WORKED PERFECTLY ...
      6. dedusik
        dedusik 12 January 2023 14: 16
        +4
        The press service of Prigozhin reported the discovery of the body of one of the missing British in Soledar

        One of the British citizens who disappeared in Soledar of the Donetsk People's Republic was found dead. He also had the documents of the second Briton. This was reported in the press service of Yevgeny Prigozhin.
        "On January 8, the Ask Wagner hotline received a request to find two British citizens who disappeared on January 6 in Soledar - Andrew Begshaw and Christopher Perry. Today the body of one of them was found, documents for both Britons were found with him," the message says. company "Concord" in "Telegram".
        https://t.me/concordgroup_official/260
    2. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 12 January 2023 10: 49
      -5
      They will hand over the prisoners and still let them go, they took them all the same.
      1. ABC-schutze
        ABC-schutze 12 January 2023 13: 55
        +3
        Well, here the main question is, to whom will he "hand over" if he does ...

        It may turn out that the prosecutor's office of the Chechen Republic, which, presumably, has quite legitimate "claims" against the Kyiv Nazis ... And that will be completely legal, from all points of view ...

        After all, these, captured by the Musicians, representatives of the armed formations of the Kyiv coup d'etat, after all, have been PERFORMING their CRIMINAL deeds on the RUSSIAN TERRITORY FOR MONTHS ...

        And if their "teachers" from the Islands may have some "doubts" on this subject, then, most likely, the prosecutor's office and the investigating authorities of the Chechen Republic will not have them ...
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    4. sgrabik
      sgrabik 13 January 2023 09: 10
      +2
      That's right, stop playing nobility and let the prisoners go, it will backfire on us later, it's time to finally learn not to repeat our former mistakes, and politicians to interfere as little as possible in the affairs of the military and in the course of the NMD with their extremely inappropriate "gestures of good will."
      1. 72jora72
        72jora72 13 January 2023 12: 52
        +3
        That's right, stop playing nobility and let the prisoners go,
        You don't see the difference between release(I know about such a case only from Father Zmeiny) and exchange on our boys?
  2. Romanenko
    Romanenko 12 January 2023 10: 06
    +16
    There is nothing to stand on ceremony with them - professional traitors, each captured potential enemy is coming out to the Anglo-Fascist-Bandera, who in 20 years will go galloping to the Maidan
  3. Sith
    Sith 12 January 2023 10: 07
    0
    Looks like they taught and give up ... or who studied in Britain understands that they didn’t really teach him anything and it’s easier to give up
    1. Trapp1st
      Trapp1st 12 January 2023 10: 22
      0
      See taught and give up ...
      What price had to be paid to break the "learned to give up" we will never know. But have you ever wondered why it was PMCs and the RF Armed Forces who dealt with Soledar? And even if the losses of the attackers are many times less than those of the defenders of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, then, to put it mildly, they are still there.
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 12 January 2023 10: 53
        +7
        Quote: Trapp1st
        See taught and give up ...
        What price had to be paid to break the "learned to give up" we will never know. But have you ever wondered why it was PMCs and the RF Armed Forces who dealt with Soledar? And even if the losses of the attackers are many times less than those of the defenders of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, then, to put it mildly, they are still there.

        Well, why are you doing this? Even the most inveterate optimist understands that there is no war without losses. Do you propose to abandon the assault on the positions of the Banderlogs and move on to persuasion, so that they would feel ashamed and, having laid down their arms, dispersed to the farms? That won't work.
        1. Trapp1st
          Trapp1st 12 January 2023 10: 55
          -4
          Well, why are you doing this?
          It's me Sith (Paul) Today, 10:07...
          You propose to abandon the assault on Banderlog positions
          No, but the practice of frontal attacks on heavily fortified enemy positions from expected directions is also ambiguous.
          1. Chronos
            Chronos 12 January 2023 12: 39
            +10
            Quote: Trapp1st
            No, but the practice of frontal attacks on heavily fortified enemy positions from expected directions is also ambiguous.

            Can I find out where you get about the practice of frontal attacks? If Soledar was taken head-on, how did the cauldron form there? And if you look at the map, you can see that they are also trying to cover Artyomovsk from the flanks and cut the supply lines. Actually, Soledar was taken, among other things, to cover Artemovsk from the north. When Liman was taken in the summer, Gorskoye, Zolote and Severodonetsk with Lisichansk also used flank coverage. It's just not so easy to cover from the flank, you still need to break through the front somewhere.
          2. nik-mazur
            nik-mazur 12 January 2023 12: 46
            +6
            Quote: Trapp1st
            the practice of frontal attacks on heavily fortified enemy positions from expected directions is also ambiguous
            In fact, any military practice is ambiguous. Including the practice of wide coverage and deep breakthroughs, so beloved by couch experts. For example, the German plan "Citadel" involved flank attacks with cutting off, encirclement and destruction of the Soviet grouping on the Kursk salient. But something did not go according to the plan of the German OKW.
            1. Sergei Fonov
              Sergei Fonov 13 January 2023 20: 04
              0
              That’s why it didn’t work out, at Rokossovsky the depth of defense was from 120 to 170 km and the main forces of 70% were in the direction of the main attack of the Germans.
      2. ABC-schutze
        ABC-schutze 12 January 2023 15: 06
        +5
        Well, why didn't they "think"? ..

        We even perfectly understand that here, in addition to combat losses, there are other OBJECTIVE reasons that are NOT LESS SIGNIFICANT for CHKV Wagner.

        Despite the fact that the very status and conceptual role of PMCs, as such, at a serious - scientific - analytical level, has not yet been absolutely worked out in Russia. Nevertheless, their activities OUTSIDE of Russia, as private business structures, for all their "specifics", Russian legislation does not prohibit ...

        Moreover, according to contracts concluded by PMCs with LEGAL authorities of foreign states or LEGAL business structures of these states ...

        ANY INTERNATIONAL ACTIVITY REQUIRES A POSITIVE reputation (in other words, demonstrations of OBVIOUS and GREAT SUCCESS) of an entrepreneurial structure (in our case, PMC Wagner) in the chosen field of activity ... I.e. that very POSITIVE "PR" ...

        You could now name AT LEAST ONE, "foreign" PMC - American, British, German, or "Hyeno" - Poles, which could, in the course of PARTICIPATION IN COMBINED ARMS BATTLE, INDEPENDENTLY, DESTROY THE REGULAR enemy forces and take a well-prepared enemy for defense CITY?.. Though "small"?...

        But Wagner PMCs were able to ... And I believe that "potential clients" over the hill will notice this well ...

        And when they have a "problem of choosing" a performer among all possible options, they will make a very correct choice ...
        1. Iris
          Iris 13 January 2023 15: 27
          -2
          Let's do it - flies separately, cutlets separately. PMC Uwagner, according to the law, is the EMF. An illegal armed formation, because its existence is not provided for by the current legislation. And most importantly - do not compare this structure with Western ones, because there are Private Security Companies. Do you understand the difference? None of the Western PSCs, either in Iraq or in Afghanistan, participated in such battles, because they were not assigned such a task. And even if they did, how would they carry it out despite the fact that they are not armed with weapons with a caliber of no more than 20 mm? And Rogozhin has tanks, artillery, Su-24 and Su-25, and a huge administrative resource and unlimited powers. Who else can cancel the court decision that has entered into force and sign a contract with prisoners for service? And six months later, the conviction is removed! The Wagnerites are fighting well, this is a fact, but there are questions.
    2. Kusja
      Kusja 12 January 2023 10: 50
      0
      In some interview, the prisoners said that they were taught tougher at the Zhytomer training ground than at a base in England ...
  4. pharmacist
    pharmacist 12 January 2023 10: 08
    +24
    Elite is determined not by training in Britain, and not even at the training ground, but by shelling in a real battle. The saying "for one beaten they give two unbeaten" arose for a reason. A Donetsk miner, a participant in the storming of Mariupol, is incomparably more elite than any militant of the 77th NATO-trained brigade.
  5. dmi.pris1
    dmi.pris1 12 January 2023 10: 10
    +23
    "Well, son? Did your Poles, Britons, etc. help you"?
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 12 January 2023 10: 31
      +3
      Quote from: dmi.pris1
      "Well, son? Did your Poles, Britons, etc. help you"?

      They helped to surrender, after British training, they became not so stubborn.
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 12 January 2023 10: 11
    +12
    Most of the personnel of the brigade received combat training in the UK.
    But they warned - do not hang out with the Anglo-Saxons, they will not teach good things. Didn't listen and...
    those who did not stop resistance and did not surrender were destroyed.
    How else. Today I watched a video from the helmet camera of our fighter. Shooting battle in the forest belt. Ours jumps out to the trench, in which there are two defenders. Offers to drop weapons and surrender. I already took a machine gun from one by the barrel when he shouted something and pulled it towards himself. The fighter had to put both of them in two short bursts in the area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbthe head (because they were in bulletproof vests). But they offered to surrender.
    1. Gpn27
      Gpn27 12 January 2023 10: 26
      +8
      Also watched this video. According to the video, ours came from the rear and could immediately shoot the ukrov, but tried to take them prisoner. Only when the thief tried to take back the machine gun did he open fire. Our fighter has nerves of steel. Given the fact that they are shooting around, I would not even try to get up, run up and try to convince them to surrender.
      1. low war
        low war 12 January 2023 17: 31
        +2
        On the t-channel: "Operation Z", there is a continuation (possibly from another camera) of this fight. The fighter runs around the position with the request "BaSiki, give Basiki! ... Guys, help me! ...". I quote the comment: “Continuation of the epic assault on the Khokhlyatsky positions near Kremennaya. After clearing the Ukrainian trench and the surrounding area, our Rambo with a camera on his helmet moved on. A battle with the retreating enemy immediately began. ", 5,45x39 BS). This video allows you to assess the realities of almost any clash, where the main movement is literally a couple of the most courageous and initiative fighters, and the rest of the people act as extras. This is not good and not bad - this is reality."
    2. Simple
      Simple 12 January 2023 10: 29
      -2
      One got lucky this time. Two, due to their own stupidity, no.
      They did not teach those mobilized in certain circumstances to raise their hands up
      1. Evgeny_4
        Evgeny_4 13 January 2023 10: 29
        +4
        What mobilized?
        The one on the left was in the trench, Vitaly Milevsky. Nationalist and Banderite.
        He flaunted a stripe on social networks ... our dad Bandera.
        Respect for the fighter who eliminated the ideological Bandera.
    3. Elena Akinfieva
      Elena Akinfieva 12 January 2023 11: 11
      0
      Look again. As soon as the one on the left spoke in a foreign language, ours flunked both immediately
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    5. sgrabik
      sgrabik 13 January 2023 09: 29
      0
      That's right, this is the law of war, those who do not want to surrender are destroyed without any hesitation, there is not and should not be room for excessive pity and sentiment, since this is war.
  7. Nikolay-Nikolaevich
    Nikolay-Nikolaevich 12 January 2023 10: 14
    +4
    It’s good for them, at least they stared at England before they died ...
  8. Pavel73
    Pavel73 12 January 2023 10: 16
    +8
    These fuckers have no idea that the Anglo-Saxons don't fucking need their victory over Russia. Just like the Anglo-Saxons didn’t fucking need the victory of the German Nazis over the USSR. The Anglo-Saxons need war, as such, and for as long as possible. The worse it is for the rest of the world, the better for the Anglo-Saxons. As soon as the Anglo-Saxons see that the war may soon end, they immediately arrange a provocation (mh17, the murder of a negotiator, a gas pipeline, etc.), throw firewood in the form of money or weapons. The main thing is that no one takes it into his head to agree and stop fighting.
    1. Ivan Ivanov
      Ivan Ivanov 12 January 2023 10: 41
      +4
      They just need a victory, Ukraine is a cow that cannot be killed. they are unlikely to find other such k.r.e.tins with parameters suitable for war.
  9. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 12 January 2023 10: 20
    +3
    Weren't these fighters jumping without a parachute from the 5th floor, just in order not to surrender?
  10. Ivan Ivanov
    Ivan Ivanov 12 January 2023 10: 24
    +1
    I'm sure they all took accelerated cooking courses there. Solovyov here showed his conversation with one of the recently captured paratroopers under the nickname "fascist1988" in the networks. How could he, a paratrooper, despite his combat dimensions, actively play the fool, portraying innocence. These S.C.O.T.s massively use our fraternal illusions.
  11. Ivan Ivanov
    Ivan Ivanov 12 January 2023 10: 26
    +4
    Prigozhin also ruled out the possibility of providing any "humanitarian corridors" for the release of prisoners.

    This is correct, otherwise since the beginning of the war with the pacifists, we have had an obvious bust.
  12. Tagan
    Tagan 12 January 2023 10: 37
    +1
    Quote: rotmistr60
    Most of the personnel of the brigade received combat training in the UK.
    But they warned - do not hang out with the Anglo-Saxons, they will not teach good things. Didn't listen and...
    those who did not stop resistance and did not surrender were destroyed.
    How else. Today I watched a video from the helmet camera of our fighter. Shooting battle in the forest belt. Ours jumps out to the trench, in which there are two defenders. Offers to drop weapons and surrender. I already took a machine gun from one by the barrel when he shouted something and pulled it towards himself. The fighter had to put both of them in two short bursts in the area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbthe head (because they were in bulletproof vests). But they offered to surrender.

    They showed this video in the news on the 1st. Only the moment of execution was cut off. Looks like it was cut off for nothing. Non-brothers, dreaming of fairy tales about cyborgs, I think they watch our news more often than we do.
  13. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 12 January 2023 10: 38
    +3
    Prigozhin and his fighters know how to solve the problems of the "fraternal people" - whoever does not surrender is humiliated. My question is, what to do next with these APUs? Put on all types of allowances and wait for them to stick a knife in the back again? ..
  14. Seamaster
    Seamaster 12 January 2023 10: 40
    0
    Not that they were taught in tolerant England, not that. Rear-wheel drive and LGBT under fire help little.
  15. rocket757
    rocket757 12 January 2023 10: 46
    0
    In Soledar, the majority of Ukrainian prisoners are paratroopers trained in the UK
    So there are at least 200 of these ... or was the survivalist, on the islands, well trained ???
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  17. Postcode
    Postcode 12 January 2023 11: 26
    +11
    And who decided that if this brigade was trained in Britain, it is elite and very well trained? What super cool things can the British teach Ukrainians? Where and when did the British fight in the full sense of the word in recent years, like 35 - 40? If memory serves, with Argentina for the Falklands, and what’s more, they screwed up there .... The Ukrainian army at the end of 2022 is the most combat-ready, most experienced in Europe !!!! She has been fighting continuously since 2014!!! about the last year, waging a full-scale war. Ukrainian soldiers and officers themselves will teach anyone in Europe elementary tactics and actions of a single soldier. All these "field trainings" are nothing more than money laundering, tinsel in the eye .... the only thing they can learn there is the rules for operating NATO weapons and equipment.
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  19. Fitter65
    Fitter65 12 January 2023 13: 06
    0
    Many Ukrainian fighters were taken prisoner.
    It would be better if it sounded - several Ukrainian militants were captured ... Otherwise, we will cure, feed, change, and then again he is a bastard on the front line.
  20. ares1988
    ares1988 12 January 2023 14: 14
    0
    The source of this information - OBS?))
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  22. Alex242
    Alex242 12 January 2023 21: 20
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    Most of the brigade's personnel received combat training in the UK. A special training center was created there to train the Ukrainian military. The brigade's military personnel were trained under the guidance of British military instructors.

    the author forgot to write - now they are trying not to take prisoners ....
  23. Seal
    Seal 13 January 2023 09: 11
    +1
    Well, yes, as the small-shaven ones taught, so did the air burial grounds and acted. As long as the enemy is far away, you can resist. But if the enemy comes close and is already shooting through the escape routes, you need to surrender.
  24. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 13 January 2023 09: 44
    0
    Prigozhin correctly understands the current moment: the more denazified the better, prisoners are not needed.
  25. shinobi
    shinobi 13 January 2023 11: 12
    +1
    Prigozhin acts according to all the canons of a "correct" war. If the enemy does not surrender, they destroy him. The main thing is that the politicians do not interfere with him. When the tool is not used for its intended purpose, it will definitely break. trench warfare against the "classic" correct motorized infantry with the support of artillery and tanks. They are doomed. And the West cannot teach the proper war of large armies, because it does not know how. no. Victory will be ours. Although not immediately.
    PS: Prigogine, future president?
  26. Iris
    Iris 13 January 2023 15: 38
    +1
    Quote: shinobi
    This is me about tough paratroopers and other special forces. The profile of their training for specific tasks does not provide for trench warfare

    Exactly. In practice, we use the marines and the landing force like ordinary infantry. An example of their task is the capture of Gostomel. Lightning capture of an important object in the deep rear and holding until the approach of the main forces, with which they coped. But then they received an order to withdraw and no one answered for the losses that were. Moreover, in the course of "good will" the loss is greater than in Gostomel. By the way, today the commander of the Airborne Forces, Colonel-General Teplinskiy, was dismissed, who expressed dissatisfaction with the fact that elite troops are being driven into battle without any regard for their specifics and purpose.
    1. Ulysses
      Ulysses 13 January 2023 20: 35
      0
      Commander of the Airborne Forces (VDV) of Russia, Colonel-General Mikhail Teplinskiy is in the ranks and successfully solves problems in his post. This was reported to TASS on Friday by a high-ranking source in the military department.
      Earlier, information appeared in Telegram channels that Teplinskiy had allegedly been removed from his post.
      https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/16796421
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