Turkish kebab or shish?

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Turkish kebab or shish?

You will now say: shish kebab is also kebab in North Africa, even if it is shish. And when in Russian shish - then kebab has nothing to do with it at all. But in relation to the plans of our Sultan Erdogan, a fifth-generation fighter can only be a shish kebab, and nothing else.

Turkish Aerospace Industries says construction of the initial prototype of the fifth-generation Turkish TF-X fighter jet has been steadily progressing since the first images of the aircraft were released last year. Cartoons are cartoons, and the Turks have filmed enough of them, but there is already a prototype in metal. It is clear that this will be a sample for static tests, but the presentation was a success. Rivets in the nose of the aircraft were riveted by various representatives of various departments and echelons of the Turkish government.



When compared with the original images and full-scale mock-ups, the aircraft acquired characteristic facets, like that of ... In general, all new developments in the world, with the exception of Russian and Chinese, copy the F-35 to one degree or another.

The second novelty was the change in the bow, its volume was significantly increased in order to install a special infrared sensor system for searching and tracking targets, or IRST, which it was decided to install in front of the cockpit. But IRST was not enough. And they decided to equip the prototype of the Turkish super-fighter with the EOTS multi-purpose electro-optical guidance system, which was placed at the bottom of the front of the fuselage.

Surprisingly, to date, no promising combat aircraft has a similar configuration with separately functioning IRST and EOTS systems.

Yes, this is a prototype. Promising aircraft. And this aircraft theoretically has a perspective.


Turkish Aerospace Industries CEO Temel Kotil told CNN Turk that the plane could make its first flight this year. This will be two years ahead of the schedule that Kotil laid out in 2019 when the mock-up aircraft was unveiled. How this can affect the actual production of the aircraft and its acceptance into operation is difficult to say, but two years is quite an impressive figure.

Turkey is a very peculiar country. Industry is not that there are not enough stars from the sky, but what is seized is seized. Therefore, counting on the help of the allies, the Turkish army supplies itself with the help of its industry. Airplanes, UAVs, armored vehicles, MLRS, self-propelled guns, ships - not as many as we would like, but not as few as in other countries.

Why the fifth generation fighter? Yes, and so peculiarly equipped? Perhaps imperial ambitions, perhaps something else.

But regardless of whether the first flight will take place in 2023 or not, whether the configuration of the TF-X will change over time, in any case, the Turkish prototype is already quite remarkable in that it has separate IRST and EOTS systems in its equipment. Although many aviation experts express some doubts that they correctly understand how these systems will be installed and implemented in practice.


The cockpit mock-up of the TF-X that Turkish Aerospace Industries (TUSAS) exhibited at the Farnborough International Air Show in the United Kingdom last year had very rough outlines of the nose and under fuselage systems, and today it is not entirely clear what it will look like. IRST and EOTS sensor locations. And the representatives of the company did not give explanations on this topic, so it was not clear whether this was the final configuration or just a blueprint. In general, this applies to a lesser extent to the IRST system, which was seen in previous computer visualizations of the aircraft, but not everything is transparent about EOTS.

No one will doubt that the way the IRST is installed is broadly similar to how the Lockheed Martin TacIRST was integrated into the F-5 Advanced Tiger aircraft owned by the private firm Tactical Air Support (TacAir).


The TacIRST on the F-5 is equipped with a fixed-angle infrared sensor mounted at the top of the aircraft's nose. Apparently, Turkish engineers did not rack their brains and invent something new and simply copied the placement method. True, on the Turkish fighter, the sensor is hidden by the edges of the fuselage and is located behind an inconspicuous window, probably made of sapphire glass with a special coating.

This is different from how IRST is installed on other aircraft, where the sensor is mounted inside a ball-shaped housing on a movable mount. But it is possible that on a Turkish aircraft, the sensor also has the ability to move, albeit in a limited plane.

The installation of IRST sensors on the TF-X can increase the capabilities of the aircraft navigation system during flights

indicate that the system has some degree of advanced infrared capabilities to help with navigation, including at night and in bad weather and at night.

In general, the IRST system is focused on the detection and tracking of air targets by their infrared signature at extended ranges. IRSTs are not affected by design features designed to reduce the EPR of the aircraft, and are immune to electronic warfare attacks. This is a good addition to the aircraft's airborne radar, especially when participating in operations where active electronic warfare interference is expected. IRST sensors operate passively, unlike active radar, so the target will not be alerted that it has been detected. All in all, the IRST is a useful assistant to the radar and they can work together to detect, track and engage targets.

As for the EOTS system, it is also similar to those found on all variants of the F-35. A ban on the supply of F-35s to Turkey does not mean a ban on the supply of technologies for individual systems that can be used in other aircraft, right?

Therefore, EOTS-type systems, although they have some of the capabilities of IRST systems, are primarily designed to provide more accurate visibility and target identification at shorter distances and laser designation of these targets, if necessary.


Thus, the capabilities of the EOTS system can be used to capture targets both in the air and at sea or on land. By the way, the EOTS system can easily be used to collect intelligence data with the subsequent transmission of this data, for example, to ground forces.

In fact, if the Turkish engineers succeed, then the simultaneous operation of the IRST and EOTS systems can provide the pilot with higher situational awareness. That is, the TF-X pilot can use the EOTS system to observe ground objects, while simultaneously using the IRST system for other tasks. The more specialized IRST sensor system will be better at scanning and tracking targets at longer ranges than EOTS, which is primarily air-to-ground and tracking targets.

Further, EOTS and IRST can work together, with EOTS providing a more accurate representation of what the IRST sensors are detecting. This is especially useful at night to identify targets, engage in highly dynamic dogfights, or perform tasks such as intercepting cruise missiles or UAVs.

Today, to solve such problems, guidance modules are often used, such as the Sniper on American aircraft of the F-15C / D family, by the way, which are in service with the Turkish Air Force. Here it is customary to use aircraft radar for early warning rather than IRST, although IRST may now be more preferable in some cases. EOTS can also be used to collect and record information during interception operations and close encounters with aircraft that are potential targets.

The main part of the information provided by IRST systems is the search and analysis of a potential target. One aircraft can determine how far away that object is by other means, but this is typically a labor intensive process. Combining IRSTs on multiple aircraft together, a feature that TF-Xs may also have, offers options for faster triangulation of data for range, target bearing, and target characterization.

The interaction of IRST systems on several aircraft was worked on by Lockheed Martin as part of the Legion Pod project.

It is worth noting that IRST systems have historically been used most often on Russian and Chinese-made fighters, but in recent years they have experienced a general renaissance. More and more air forces around the world are using or working to deploy stealth combat aircraft and cruise missiles, or at least designs with some degree of stealth performance. So it's no surprise that the TF-X has IRST in addition to its EOTS. Distributed throughout the aircraft, the combination of IRST and EOTS can provide excellent additional capabilities over other stealth fighters.

So we're seeing the progress on the TF-X that TUSAS CEO Kotila was talking about and maybe we've yet to see the real capabilities of this aircraft when it actually takes off.


But with this, unlike combat electronic systems, there are certain problems. Initially, the Turks planned to use the well-mastered Pratt & Whitney F110 engines, which are assembled under license in Turkey, to lift the TF-X into the air.

I'm sorry, but this is not serious. Yes, this would be enough for the initial prototypes, but even the use of the latest version of the F110-GE-132 model of 2003 with a thrust of 14 kgf is not that little, our AL-500F41S has approximately the same characteristics. The problem is different. The problem is the cooling of US-Turkish relations, as a result of which the Turks have problems with the construction of engines.

And when the US government excluded Turkey from the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter program in 2019 due to Turkey's purchase of Russian S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems, that's when the TF-X gained a lot of prominence in Turkish military circles.

American officials, as well as representatives of other countries participating in the F-35 program, expressed concern about the potential security risks associated with Turkey becoming the operator of the S-400 air defense system, therefore it was collectively decided that the F-35 the Turks will not get it.

It is obvious that the decision was made to "catch up and overtake." To prove that Turkish military thought is quite capable of creating modern fighters that surpass world analogues in some parameters.

It's so possible - to have the label "has no analogues in the world", isn't it?


Of course, if TF-X does take to the skies this year it will be a huge achievement, but that's only one part of the development process. What starts next will take even longer.

But the fact that Turkish designers have used a new combination of IRST and EOTS systems in their TF-X project already makes the project interesting to study, since it will be very interesting for many experts to analyze both the co-location of IRST and EOTS systems, and the functioning of these systems both separately , and together.

Another question is that ambitions will not necessarily lead Turkey to the club of countries that create really promising prototypes and real aircraft based on them.

That is, a seemingly real shish kebab can easily turn out to be an ordinary shish.
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  1. -2
    13 January 2023 05: 44
    Pratt & Whitney F110, which are assembled under license in Turkey.

    I'm sorry, but this is not serious.
    In principle, this is enough to stop taking seriously the prospects of the Turk.
    1. +5
      13 January 2023 06: 47
      Well, of course "not serious". In our country, all the achievements of the Western military-industrial complex are assessed as "not serious." But, our "unparalleled in the world" is: wow! Hold on to the enemies! The whole world is in ruins!
      1. +4
        13 January 2023 07: 49
        Skomorokhov approached the issue very superficially. The F110 (why is it bad then?) Is considered as an engine for prototypes, the local Turkish Air Engine Company (TAEC) and the consortium of Kale Group and Rolls-Royce based on the EJ200 are involved in the production car. The British BAE Systems and the Italian Leonardo are also involved in the development of the fighter and their systems. So the project is doomed to success.
        1. +1
          13 January 2023 08: 02
          Quote from cold wind
          in parallel, a consortium of Kale Group and Rolls-Royce based on the EJ200. The British BAE Systems and the Italian Leonardo are also involved in the development of the fighter and their systems. So the project is doomed to success.

          )))
          Turkish MS-21?
          1. +10
            13 January 2023 08: 24
            Components of success:
            1. Money that was not cut.
            2. Engineers who are not bullied (salaries, reports, daily changing plans, corporate parties, etc.).
            3. Unlimited access to technology.
            4. The engine is. Which is quite enough.
            1. -1
              13 January 2023 23: 27
              What engine do the Turks have? Drawn on a computer?
            2. +1
              14 January 2023 00: 46
              5. The management requires that there be so many aircraft produced per year, and not that a prototype should be reported to the taxpayers at the parade
        2. +9
          13 January 2023 12: 19
          Quote from cold wind
          Skomorokhov approached the issue very superficially

          Quote: author
          as "Sniper" on American aircraft of the F-15C / D family, which, by the way, are in service with the Turkish Air Force.
          Author, get ready, get ready. 15 never stood in service with the Turks. 5, 16 if anything...
          1. +3
            13 January 2023 16: 25
            Author, get ready, get ready. 15 never stood in service with the Turks. 5, 16 if anything...
            Well, who is the author? In a technical text, he can have everything. How was it with the parodist Ivanov: "The pen wrote, overtaking even thought ..."
          2. +3
            13 January 2023 21: 22
            Quote: Pete Mitchell
            Author, get ready, get ready. 15 never stood in service with the Turks. 5, 16 if anything...

            The author described the engine from the F-16. It may have been misprinted, but such texts must be taken more seriously.
        3. +1
          14 January 2023 14: 14
          Local balobols do not understand that what is happening now with the new generation (the 6th, as they call it in the press) already happened in post-war Western Europe.
          When some countries tried to produce something more or less modern, using the engines of other countries more advanced in engine building and / or cooperating with other countries to produce aircraft: Fiat G.91. "Jaguar", Panavia Tornado, Swedish jet fighters.
      2. -1
        13 January 2023 08: 30
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        Well, of course "not serious". In our country, all the achievements of the Western military-industrial complex are assessed as "not serious." But, our "unparalleled in the world" is: wow! Hold on to the enemies! The whole world is in ruins!

        Yeah, a wonderful aircraft, the engine of which is made over the hill (I hope you understand how the licensed assembly differs from production) and spare parts for which they cannot supply it.
        1. -2
          13 January 2023 12: 29
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Yeah, a wonderful aircraft, the engine of which is made over the hill (I hope you understand how the licensed assembly differs from production) and spare parts for which they cannot supply it.

          I don’t understand what the Turks are trying to achieve? It’s like the United States doesn’t supply us with fifth-generation aircraft, then we will make them ourselves? It seems like this, well, it’s not a very cheap occupation.
          1. +11
            13 January 2023 13: 09
            They create their own military-industrial complex, develop science and engineering, create high-tech jobs, and develop the education system. The creation of a fighter pulls the development of all adjacent areas. The country and people want to develop, to live better than before. The age of high technology cannot do this only on resources. You need brains, knowledge and technology.
            1. -5
              13 January 2023 14: 09
              Quote from cold wind
              They create their own military-industrial complex,

              As I understand it, you are a true patriot of Russia ColdWind!
              Quote from cold wind
              They create their own military-industrial complex, develop science and engineering, create high-tech jobs, and develop the education system.

              Have you read the article? There is only a glider from Turkish, and then not from their materials and not their technologies. The United States spent $ 55 billion on the development of a fifth-generation aircraft.
              The entire military budget of Turkey is about $ 20 billion! Does this not lead you to any thoughts?
            2. +1
              13 January 2023 21: 04
              As far as I understand, in the abbreviation "VPK" the letter "K" means "complex". Why then "own"?
          2. -1
            13 January 2023 15: 26
            Quote: Edik
            I don’t understand what the Turks are trying to achieve?

            Well, in terms of the development of national science, etc., I agree with ColdWind, but I won’t cast aside strong doubts about the “prospects” of the Fifth Turk.
            1. -3
              13 January 2023 16: 04
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              Well, in terms of the development of national science, etc., I agree with ColdWind, but I won’t cast aside strong doubts about the “prospects” of the Fifth Turk.

              I caught up with what it is. Turkey broke off with the fifth generation, but she really wants to .. Western business went to meet her and piles something on her territory.
            2. +4
              13 January 2023 16: 28
              Three years ago I spoke with Turkish aviation engineers. Very literate. They have been running their own aviation institute for more than 20 years.
              1. 0
                13 January 2023 23: 17
                And what about those who have aviation universities working for a hundred years or more? There is such a thing as SCHOOL. It has not been done in 20 years, there are decades of development, the transfer of experience, developments, and ideas.
          3. 0
            13 January 2023 23: 38
            License - SKD. Separate, especially difficult knots, come assembled. They are only installed in the engine housing.
      3. 0
        13 January 2023 15: 08
        Well, yes, well, yes, but they have, like, something else. What does the Western military-industrial complex and Turkey have to do with it?
        1. +2
          13 January 2023 17: 57
          The Turkish military-industrial complex is an integral part of the "Western" military-industrial complex. Their integration is complete. Turkish companies supply components and assemblies for armored vehicles, aviation, ships, etc. of European and North American countries, all equipment manufactured in Turkey has parts made in the West.
      4. 0
        13 January 2023 23: 15
        Aircraft engines, even the 4th generation, are produced by only a few countries in the world. And Turkey is not on this list. If there is no engine, there will be no aircraft. Everything else - infrared, optoelectronic sensors - that's all, show-off for suckers.
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  2. +8
    13 January 2023 06: 59

    Selçuk Bayraktar showed the first bayraktar in 2005 and asked for support from state officials. It's good that none of them told him, "This is not serious."
    1. +2
      13 January 2023 08: 02
      Quote: raki-uzo
      It's good that none of them told him, "This is not serious."

      )))
      And what did his father-in-law work in 2005?
      1. +16
        13 January 2023 08: 20
        Nobody. At that moment, he did not have a father-in-law, as well as at the time of the first flight and the launch of mass production of the Bayraktar TB2.
        Selçuk became successful, after that he married Erdogan's daughter, and not vice versa.
        1. +1
          13 January 2023 11: 10
          Quote from cold wind
          Selçuk became successful, after that he married Erdogan's daughter, and not vice versa.

          But Erdlgan's daughter was able to assess Selçuk's prospects. She was not embarrassed by the age of the groom in 2016, and she considered it promising to give herself to an aircraft engineer, and not to an oilman, trader, intelligence officer, police, journalist, athlete, artist or a major government official. The imperial ambitions of Turkish politicians lie on such an attitude of Turkish women to the choice of suitors.
        2. +4
          13 January 2023 11: 38
          Quote from cold wind
          Nobody. At that moment, he did not have a father-in-law, as well as at the time of the first flight and the launch of mass production of the Bayraktar TB2.

          )))
          You are right, got excited. In any case, the biography of Bayraktar Jr. looks more advantageous than, in particular, one journalism graduate there.
          1. +2
            13 January 2023 11: 59
            The biography of the Bayraktar family is an example of successful reforms. In the late 80s, an import substitution program was launched in Turkey. The Baikar company, a manufacturer of spare parts, appeared. Founded by Selçuk's father. The elder Bayraktar made money and gave the children the best education in the world, they in turn developed the company. Naturally, the state helped them, within the framework of general development programs.
            1. -1
              13 January 2023 13: 59
              they have many such clans. google about the Boydaks... also a clan. but unfortunately they opposed Erdogan and the Boydak holding was nationalized.
        3. -2
          13 January 2023 23: 18
          That's right, the secret of success is a successful marriage))) and yes, when your father-in-law is the President, you should not even wait for any help from the state)))
      2. +2
        13 January 2023 08: 32
        He got married in 2016. Bayraktar TB 2 fired its first shot in 2015 with an accurate hit.
        1. Eug
          0
          13 January 2023 13: 50
          Well, yes, they didn’t know each other from the word “completely” before the wedding. Another thing is that Erdogan's daughter did not have arrogance and arrogance, and there was someone in the environment who was able to assess the development prospects. In addition to the mutual sympathy of the young, of course☺ In general, as for me, so far this is more PR for the elections. And enlighten, pliiiz - does this Turkish miracle have an internal compartment? Judging by the "compression" of the fuselage, if there is, then it is of a very modest size, if not, what is the 5th generation in FIG.
    2. 0
      13 January 2023 23: 11
      Yes, Bayraktar got the deal, but it wasn't easy. Military officials (whose ranks were then still occupied by pro-Western elites) tried their best not to give anything to Bayraktar. They knew that he was an Islamist (his father's ideology was well known). Even though the Turkish elites could no longer jail him just for being an Islamist like in the good old days, they were totally against supporting such a person. But Erdogan's party was in power, the US and Israel began arming the PKK, and Turkey was cut off from the Western arms market. Thus, there was no way to give up Bayraktar without getting into a fight with government officials.
  3. +1
    13 January 2023 07: 12
    The future belongs to fully unmanned aircraft. The fighting showed that it is simply a pity to use insanely expensive modern combat vehicles in conditions of powerful air defense. Therefore, massive relatively cheap drones are needed for similar conflicts because they go to Ukraine
    1. +3
      13 January 2023 07: 53
      Absolutely right. Fighters will be control centers, some kind of AWACS. The Turks have dozens if not hundreds of UAV programs.

      1. 0
        13 January 2023 10: 55
        The roadmap is great. To do this, you just need to be able to develop fighters with pilots (for starters), then with a co-pilot, then without pilots ..... why this requires data exchange channels (in the Russian Federation there are difficulties with this), satellites corresponding in space (and it's a hidden expensive standalone program). And the fighters will be the last to become autonomous.
        1. +2
          13 January 2023 11: 11
          Correctly write, the Turks do all this in parallel. Unmanned fighters, manned fighters, communication channels, satellites.
          1. +1
            13 January 2023 14: 42
            These are different, large-scale tasks. The Russian Federation did not master this in parallel. At the same time, we have our own cosmodrome and a rocket ..... and the production of satellites.
            1. +3
              13 January 2023 14: 58
              And here the RF? We are discussing Turkey. A vivid example of the difference between a state working for its own country and a state working for foreign countries.
          2. -2
            13 January 2023 23: 20
            How many satellites do the Turks have? When was it launched, from which cosmodrome, with what rocket carrier was it lifted?)))
      2. +1
        13 January 2023 21: 02
        Roadmap, .... If the native language is Russian ...
        "This is an incorrect tracing-paper from the English expression" road map ". This happened during simultaneous translation at negotiations. The translator could not quickly find an analogue of this expression in our language and therefore translated what is called "directly". Although we have an exact definition of this document - "Waybill", that is, not a road map, not a road map (these are two different concepts), but a description of the path, with destinations, stops, arrival and departure times and indicating responsible persons, etc. Road map, according to the rules of the Russian language, this is a map that has a convenient format for use on the road. Every time I am convinced how much the Russian language is more multifaceted than English."
  4. +4
    13 January 2023 08: 43
    It seems that while we are preparing for the first flight of "Chess", the Turks will already launch their "Kebab" in a series.
    1. 0
      13 January 2023 11: 15
      Quote: Ramazan
      It seems that while we are preparing for the first flight of "Chess", the Turks will already launch their "Kebab" in a series.

      What's surprising? Under the USSR, the Moscow aircraft factory had a whole design bureau capable of designing machine tools for the manufacture of aircraft industry products. And now there is one designer left on which all the work on import substitution of spare parts for machine tools hangs under the conditions of sanctions. And effective managers, back in 2021, hatched plans to deport this aircraft engineer from Moscow or establish a staff schedule with one such specialist for several factories.
    2. 0
      13 January 2023 13: 52
      It seems that while we are preparing for the first flight of "Chess"

      And by the way, I wonder how he's doing then.
    3. -2
      13 January 2023 23: 40
      Are you kidding me like that?))) Russia has almost everything for the production of "chess". The Turks, for the production of their airplane, have nothing but pictures in a computer and a plastic model.
  5. 0
    13 January 2023 08: 46
    Nobody needs a 5th generation Turkish aircraft. First of all, the Americans are not interested in Turkish competition and independence.
    It will be a bad copy or not at all
    1. -1
      13 January 2023 10: 11
      it is easier to look at this program - the Turks are excellent "sold", like the Americans ... they will create a good aircraft, which "under the guise of the 5th generation" will be bought in all countries of Turkey's sphere of influence - in Central Asia, Azerbaijan, Pakistan and others .. From the outside, I see this as a good commercial project, and most importantly, the Turks will eventually learn to copy and independently produce all the components for it !!!
      1. 0
        13 January 2023 10: 52
        Quote: Vladimir80
        it is easier to look at this program - the Turks are excellent "sold", like the Americans ... they will create a good aircraft, which "under the guise of the 5th generation" will be bought in all countries of Turkey's sphere of influence

        Now try to answer:
        1 Why will the Americans lose influence, and most importantly money. In countries where they can hypothetically merge their used weapons
        2 Many countries have managed to copy the 5th generation aircraft engine?
        3 According to the latest data, the Turks had 5 systemic problems with which they turned to the Americans. Do you really believe that the United States will share, for example, polymer coating technology that absorbs the locator signal?
        1. -2
          13 January 2023 11: 17
          but I’m not saying that the Turks will have a 5th generation aircraft, they’ll just classify it like that when advertising and selling ... and it’s understandable that the Americans will not share technology with them, but they are unlikely to force, for example, Pakistan to buy f16 instead of this Turkish miracle
          1. +5
            13 January 2023 11: 46
            Any mention of "generation" is marketing in nature. There are no approved criteria. In China, generations are generally considered differently.
    2. -2
      13 January 2023 11: 20
      Quote: APASUS
      It will be a bad copy or not at all

      For Armenia, Bulgaria, Greece, Macedonia, Egypt, Syria, its capabilities will be more than enough. But the Turks intend to compete with the French and Russian aviation industry. In Libya, Syria and Armenia, beyraktar was able to neutralize the capabilities of Russian air defense systems.
      1. 0
        13 January 2023 23: 42
        How many downed "bayraktars" had to level Russian air defense?))))
  6. +3
    13 January 2023 08: 58
    on American aircraft of the F-15C / D family, which, by the way, are in service with the Turkish Air Force.

    I'm wildly sorry, but there are no F-15 family aircraft in service with the Turkish Air Force. Despite the importance for the 5th generation aircraft of the IRST and EOTS systems, the article does not mention the airborne radar at all. If it is also on a Turkish aircraft from the F-16/15, then it turns into a screwdriver assembly of the latest version of the native version of one of them.
    1. +6
      13 January 2023 09: 09
      Aselsan is developing a Gallium Nitride (GaN) AFAR. Its younger version, OZGUR, is installed on UAVs and F-16s.
  7. 0
    13 January 2023 10: 14
    On top of that, the Turks have little/no experience in developing jet fighters. And the 5th generation has a set of specific requirements. Here and strength and stealth and long-term supersonic., Internal placement of weapons. It’s not enough to put a turbojet engine (even the most modern one) ..
    If, by analogy, we consider the situation with the MBT Altai, then the Turks will not be particularly allowed to scatter with exports and restrictions may be imposed if the Turks fight somewhere with someone.
    And in the absence of exports, the development of even a 4th generation fighter will not pay off, and the Turkish Air Force is not large enough to accommodate 100-200 aircraft.
    In place of the Turks, I would have entered the South Korean fighter program and launched its licensed production. As with the T129 Agusta helicopter, using Turkish systems (which are) and weapons.
  8. +2
    13 January 2023 10: 31
    That is, a seemingly real shish kebab can easily turn out to be an ordinary shish.
    It seems to be .. maybe .. but how will it not turn out? I like it, it’s not up to assessing the enemy, and then throwing up my hands: and how it happened ..
  9. 0
    13 January 2023 12: 13
    The author emphasizes that the Turks are going to use the two systems as something special.
    But in fact, the same F-35 just has two systems for a similar purpose -
    AN / AAQ-37 - electron-optical system (EOS) with a distributed aperture (DAS), consisting of 6 IR sensors located on the fuselage with a 360-degree viewing range

    And a high-definition camera
    AAQ-40 is a high-definition omnidirectional infrared CCD-TV camera designed for surveillance and target designation. It provides capture and tracking of any ground, surface and air targets. Completely passive, it is able to detect and track targets automatically and at a great distance, as well as report laser irradiation of the aircraft.
  10. +2
    13 January 2023 17: 33
    Excuse me, but what is the year of development of the engine that is on the Su57 today and how many years have they been explaining to us that this is a transitional period that is about to end?
  11. -2
    13 January 2023 17: 57
    My opinion as a pilot is that the Turks are great, but they will buy the Su-57E or Su-35SM, since the engine is a decade of development and R&D.
    1. +1
      14 January 2023 14: 09
      Did the Turks buy a lot of Russian military aircraft?
  12. 0
    13 January 2023 19: 23
    Turkey's military-industrial complex is usually always on time. If additional sanctions are not imposed on Turkey, it is likely that the plane will fly within 3 years. But the Turks can sacrifice some stealth (where they have less experience) in exchange for a quick deployment.
    Last we heard the Turks were negotiating with the UK to get some engines. But as soon as the war in Ukraine ends and Erdogan is re-elected, the US may impose additional sanctions against Turkey. In this case, the TF-X may share the same fate as the Altai tank.
  13. 0
    13 January 2023 22: 47
    Just because an aircraft looks like a "5th generation" doesn't mean it will be a 5th generation. It may well be just a flying layout, history knows such examples. On the other hand, with the help of reverse engineering, with the world on a string, using the aircraft that the Turks have, and buying on the market some components from the aircraft of other countries, you can swindle something. Only in the best case, you get an aircraft of the F-16 level, or even an F-5, but not the "5th generation"
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  14. +1
    13 January 2023 22: 58
    As for the fact that it is similar to the F-35, the F-35 is similar to the Yak-141. And the Concorde is similar to the Tu-144. And even the notorious "horse" is vaguely similar to the F-35 am The laws of physics are the same for everyone
  15. 0
    14 January 2023 00: 54
    Turkey has become the penultimate serious ally of the United States in the Middle East after the drift of the monarchies towards China. Actually, since 1980 they have been actively dragging the Turks towards progress, just as Iran has become the worst enemy. They will get their fighter and still get on our nerves. And here, of course, it is surprising that at the same time there is wild anti-Americanism in Turkey, but it is not the first time for Americans on the other side of the world to nurture those who are against them in words, but only interfere with their neighbors.
  16. 0
    14 January 2023 18: 39
    Quote: Edik
    Turkish military budget

    Almost three times more than Sweden, which is quite capable of producing aircraft. And sells to others.
  17. 0
    12 February 2023 16: 36
    a 4th generation aircraft that resembles a 5th generation aviation complex in shape cannot be considered a 5th generation aircraft. Because the fifth generation requires the fulfillment of many conditions.
    And the use of many imported systems in the design dooms all this to failure.
    Mattresses will not allow the Turks to have their own aircraft - no one needs competitors.
    On this, all talk about the Turkish car of the 5th generation can be stopped.
    Although the Turks may make their 5th generation. When the whole world will actively fly on 6m.
  18. 0
    27 February 2023 18: 09
    Talking about the 5th generation, when the Turks ask to sell them f-16s, is at least debatable ...

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