The President of Poland announced the decision to transfer to Ukraine a company of Leopard heavy tanks

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The President of Poland announced the decision to transfer to Ukraine a company of Leopard heavy tanks

Poland, within the framework of the international coalition, will transfer to Ukraine a company of heavy tanks Leopard made in Germany. This was stated by Polish President Andrzej Duda after a meeting in Lviv with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

It should be noted that in the tank company of the armies of NATO countries, in most cases, there are 14 tanks. Now the ground forces of Poland have more than 240 Leopard tanks. Accordingly, the transfer of 14 tanks will not have a significant impact on the defense of Poland.



Earlier it became known that the UK decided to transfer about 10 Challenger 2 tanks to Ukraine. French President Emmanuel Macron was the first to initiate the transfer of tanks: he announced the upcoming delivery of AMX-10RC light wheeled tanks to the Kyiv regime (however, many experts evaluate them as armored reconnaissance vehicles).

Germany has so far announced that it will not supply Ukraine with Leopard 2 tanks, but the Kyiv regime is confident that Berlin will soon change its position under pressure from other European states.

Recall that today the President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky arrived in Lviv. Here he held a meeting with the military and representatives of law enforcement agencies on security issues in the northwestern regions of Ukraine. Then Zelensky met with Duda, which turned out to be quite effective for the Kyiv regime. True, ten tanks on the battlefield are unlikely to be able to change the situation, even in one single direction.
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  1. +27
    11 January 2023 17: 46
    Apparently Leopard A4! At the level of early 72k. But the Rubicon has been passed. Abrams is only a matter of time
    1. +10
      11 January 2023 17: 58
      If they put the original 2A4, then at the level of T-72B3. The German MSA and the cannon with shells are better, the mobility is the same, the armor is worse than the T-72B3.
      In principle, reservations can be increased relatively quickly. Screens and DZ.
      1. -1
        11 January 2023 18: 53
        The T72 does not have the mobility of Western tanks and never will. Reverse 3 km / h severely limits the ability to maneuver. T80 is much better in this respect.
    2. -3
      11 January 2023 18: 00
      The President of Poland announced the decision to transfer to Ukraine company heavy Leopard tanks

      Once it is said that Poland transferred the "company", then it must be assumed that Poland transferred not only 14 heavy tanks (according to NATO standards), namely handed over along with the military personnel.
      Question. Soldiers of what nationality and citizenship?
      It must be assumed that from the Polish military.
      1. -3
        11 January 2023 18: 14
        Tatyana, how many Poles have you already caught? There, according to stories, a couple of thousand prisoners from the summer should have been recruited, where are they?
        1. -6
          11 January 2023 18: 20
          This is an uncomfortable question for jingoists. They are fighting NATO there, and there is not a single foreign prisoner, except for a few mercenaries in Mariupol. If anyone remembers, they promised to get NATO generals from the cellars of Azovstal, but it turned out that some English homeless people were working.
          1. +11
            11 January 2023 18: 46
            Quote from invisible_man
            This is an uncomfortable question for jingoists. They are fighting NATO there, and there is not a single foreign prisoner, except for a few mercenaries in Mariupol. If anyone remembers, they promised to get NATO generals from the cellars of Azovstal, but it turned out that some English homeless people were working.

            The video from the Armed Forces of Ukraine is already full of foreigners. Two Britons recently went missing in Soledar. The Pole returned to Poland without legs. We are not at war with NATO yet, but there are quite a lot of people from NATO countries.
            1. -3
              11 January 2023 19: 46
              My message is addressed to those who fight long and hard with NATO, and not to a couple of thousand crooks who will gladly take part in any wars. That's why they are mercenaries.
              1. +1
                12 January 2023 14: 43
                The war with NATO can be implied directly and indirectly, in the present situation, the war with NATO is in the essence of a confrontation of interests, fighting with the NATO semi-colony, the war is waged thereby with NATO, Ukraine acts as a human and territorial resource of the latter, but about none of its political or economic interests are by no means out of the question, since it obviously acts as a consumable in a losing position
                All of the above applies directly to the country, that is, to a separate territory with a population, the state that controls all this has, accordingly, a semi-colonial type and can only act in the interests of "sponsors"
            2. -7
              11 January 2023 21: 30
              Quote: Chronos
              two Britons are missing

              Generals? Or did they take out peacekeepers?

              Quote: Chronos
              decently

              In numbers, please. Since September, Sladkov and co. have been telling stories about "solid Polish on the air", and according to the catch of prisoners - there are crumbs of them there.
          2. -2
            11 January 2023 18: 48
            Quote from invisible_man
            If anyone remembers, they promised to get NATO generals from the cellars of Azovstal, but it turned out that some English homeless people were working.

            And why show someone - to spoil relations with Western partners? After all, you can simply do as they say and continue to fight with ordinary people.
            1. +2
              11 January 2023 19: 14
              They traded a bully for luis corvalan...
              History develops along its turns.
              However, not everyone will understand this.
              Politics...
          3. +4
            11 January 2023 20: 46
            This is an uncomfortable question for jingoists. They are fighting NATO there, while there is not a single one ...

            Here is an inconvenient answer from the Polish (Polish - you can send all claims to jingoistic patriotism to them) press:

            https://dziennik-polityczny.com/2022/11/23/niechlubny-koniec-najemnicy-ktorzy-zgineli-na-ukrainie-zostana-pochowani-w-amerykanskich-grobach/

            Here is a quote from the text:
            "W ciągu 10 miesięcy krwawych walk tylko według informacji z publicznie dostępnych źródeł na Ukrainie zginęło ponad 1,2 tys.obywateli Polski, w tym żołnierzy i weteranów 16. PDZ. Liczba rannych i okaleczonych również wynosi kilka tysięcy osób."

            Here is the Yandex translation of this quote:
            "In 10 months of bloody battles, according to information from publicly available sources in Ukraine, more than 1,2 thousand people died. Polish citizens, including military personnel and veterans 16. PZ. The number of wounded and maimed also amounts to several thousand people."
            1. +2
              11 January 2023 21: 22
              "from public sources" ... and the only public source of such data is this site. Read the comments of the Poles to this article below, there is also no confidence in the fact that this is a Polish publication in general. In the "contacts" section, you can find out that this is not even a media outlet, but a news portal of several individuals, judging by the set of headlines strongly offended by the current government in Poland.
              PS It is known by name about 100+ killed foreigners on the side of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Most of all Georgians (about 30 people).
              1. +1
                12 January 2023 01: 23
                Quote from Flanker692
                Read the comments of the Poles to this article below, there is also no confidence in the fact that this is a Polish publication in general.

                I do not argue, maybe you are right, I have no idea what they have there.
                Another thing is that after reading the comments on any news site, you can come across "distrust", and even sites run by "individuals strongly offended by the authorities" with news with reference to "unnamed sources" and social networks are in abundance. And at the same time they are called honest and dishonorable liberal press laughing
            2. -5
              11 January 2023 21: 22
              Quote: tranquil
              all claims to jingoism

              Do you think that when Margosha starts trying to promote non-Russian, it immediately starts to make her belch to the non-Russian media?
              Although, of course, it would be interesting to read an interview with the editor-in-chief of such an interesting publication. Can you give me an interview with Adam Kaminsky with a representative of any Central European media? Honestly: I searched - I did not find it.

              And, of course, you have evidence not in the form of news from a portal with a non-existent editor-in-chief, but in the form of photographs of declared military cemeteries. I'm sure you won't hesitate to show them :)
              1. +3
                12 January 2023 01: 16
                Quote: Eugene_Eugene
                Margosha starts trying to promote not in Russian

                I have no idea. Proofs?
                Quote: Eugene_Eugene
                Can you give me an interview with Adam Kaminsky

                I AM?? belay Interview??? With what fright? You didn't confuse me with anyone?
                Quote: Eugene_Eugene
                And, of course, you have evidence ... I'm sure you will not hesitate to show them

                Of course I have ... what??)) laughing Why would I need to prove something here? laughing I gave a link to the Polish edition, and there you can write letters to the sports lotto, accuse them of having links with the Margos, demand evidence from them, interviews with the Pope and so on - I don’t care about them laughing
                1. -5
                  12 January 2023 11: 05
                  Quote: tranquil
                  Proofs?

                  Well, let's talk about proofs.

                  Quote: tranquil
                  With a fright?

                  Since the note with dziennik-polityczny is yours the only thing proof. With the same success, you can make a site on Tilda, fill it with a Polish Google translate with rt.com and pretend that Poland is for Putin.

                  Quote: tranquil
                  Why would I need to prove something here?

                  You are getting involved in a dispute without normal sources. So if you do not want to be called bad words - prove it.
                  And the burden of proof is always on the claimant.

                  The note contains the wording "1200 according to the regional press". You can start with this regional press.
                  1. +1
                    12 January 2023 15: 00
                    Quote: Eugene_Eugene
                    Well, let's talk about proofs.

                    Let's go if you insist. Well, where are they about Margosha's connections with this site?
                    Quote: Eugene_Eugene
                    your only proof

                    Where am I proving something? I gave a link to the Polish article, and demand proof from them laughing
                    Quote: Eugene_Eugene
                    You get involved in a dispute without normal sources

                    Where do I get involved? You are delusional) Send all claims to the Polish Ministry of Press, or wherever, even to the prosecutor's office and prove to them about "abnormal sources" and that the site was made by Russian spies "on tilde" - I don't care about them laughing
                    Quote: Eugene_Eugene
                    And the burden of proof is always on the claimant.

                    Fair enough, so write to the administration of the Polish site or their press ministry!) And even better, to the Polish counterintelligence - to stop the activities of Russian spies in the Polish information space! laughing
                    In the meantime, you can support YOUR statements about the cooperation of "Margosha" with this site with evidence. I would love to read.
                    1. -1
                      12 January 2023 16: 22
                      Quote: tranquil
                      Can you back up your claims with evidence?

                      https://oko.press/portal-z-falszywkami-kradnie-artykuly-tak-uwiarygodnia-sie-rosyjska-dezinformacja-w-polsce
                      Yes, for God's sake. Also in Polish.

                      https://www.stopfake.org/ru/fejk-bolee-tysyachi-polskih-naemnikov-pogiblo-s-nachala-vojny-rossii-protiv-ukrainy/
                      You can read in Russian.

                      Literally the first page of Google.

                      Quote: Eugene_Eugene
                      a couple of thousand prisoners from the summer should have been recruited, where are they?

                      Quote: tranquil
                      Here is the Yandex translation of this quote:
                      "For 10 months of bloody battles, according to information from publicly available sources, more than 1,2 thousand people died in Ukraine. Polish citizens

                      Quote: tranquil
                      Why would I need to prove something here?

                      Quote: tranquil
                      Where do I get involved? you are delirious)


                      In the thread about the missing thousands of captured Poles, you begin to trump 1.2k dead, but are embarrassed to show them, although in your own source (God bless him, which is doubtful) it is "in public data." About the prisoners, of course, also be silent.

                      Those. you make a statement about "1.2k dead Poles", prove it with a reference to dziennik-polityczny, and refer to dziennik-polityczny for any clarifying questions that arise about obviously fake data. Walk in circles yourself, I expect proof from you.

                      I can say that you are either deliberately lying (to yourself or to me - it doesn’t matter so much), or you are not very picky about sources, which is even worse.
                      1. 0
                        12 January 2023 17: 05
                        Quote: Eugene_Eugene
                        https://oko.press/portal-z-falszywkami-kradnie-artykuly-tak-uwiarygodnia-sie-rosyjska-dezinformacja-w-polsce
                        Yes, for God's sake. Also in Polish.

                        Yes, it seems that the publication is really not "mainstream" and dubious :) However, the same can be said for numerous liberal garbage dumps. By the way, there is still no evidence of cooperation with this site "Margosha" :)
                        Quote: Eugene_Eugene
                        https://www.stopfake.org/ru/fejk-bolee-tysyachi-polskih-naemnikov-pogiblo-s-nachala-vojny-rossii-protiv-ukrainy/
                        You can read in Russian.

                        Well, you wouldn’t fall like that ... that is, you would be embarrassed immediately after an angry speech about Russian agents of influence to post Ukrainian propaganda trash laughing

                        Quote: Eugene_Eugene
                        Literally the first page of Google.

                        Well, still, where else would this garbage dump on google be? laughing

                        Quote: Eugene_Eugene
                        You in the thread about the missing thousands of captured Poles begin to trump 1.2k dead

                        I gave a link to the Polish edition and that's all :) Everything else happens in your inflamed independent mind :)

                        Quote: Eugene_Eugene
                        Those. you make a statement about "1.2k dead Poles"

                        It is made by a Polish site, complain about them to someone :)

                        Quote: Eugene_Eugene
                        and for any clarifying questions that arise to obviously fake data, send

                        How can I answer clarifying questions about material that I have nothing to do with? :) Once again: write to the Polish prosecutor's office, SBU, anywhere and deal with them :) I'll laugh at your fight laughing
                      2. -1
                        12 January 2023 19: 04
                        Quote: tranquil
                        Everything else happens in your inflamed independent mind.

                        Well, that is, all the proof of 1.2k dead Poles comes down to the fact that someone in the world wrote about this in Polish? Have you lost your clown nose?
                        I have bad news for you about the loss rate. from this side then.

                        Quote: tranquil
                        Polish edition

                        This is not a publication, but portal. He is not the media, who writes for him is unknown.

                        Quote: tranquil
                        It is made by a Polish site

                        And on 10 other sites I found references to only 5 Polish dead volunteers. It's even the media. There are even real editors. But for some reason you decided to refer to dziennik-polityczny, love at first sight?

                        Quote: tranquil
                        would be ashamed

                        You are here without panties and a cross, why should I be ashamed?
                      3. +1
                        12 January 2023 19: 33
                        Quote: Eugene_Eugene
                        Well, that is, all the proof of 1.2k dead Poles comes down to the fact that someone in the world wrote about this in Polish?

                        I don’t see where I would prove and assert something, moreoverthat there is a corresponding article on the Polish website / publication / media - and it is there. The rest of the nonsense is the fruit of your inflamed independent mind lol
                        Quote: Eugene_Eugene
                        And on 10 other sites I found references to only 5 Polish dead volunteers ...

                        Here, collect all this valuable information and send it where it should be: to the Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs, to the Polish prosecutor's office, the press ministry, to the stopfake dill, to the SBU, to your curator, in short, anywhere, even to the State Department - I don't care about the fate of this site laughing
                        By the way, I congratulate you on the environment of the group of Nazi scum in Soledar good
                      4. -1
                        13 January 2023 10: 41
                        Quote: tranquil
                        in addition to the fact that there is a corresponding article on the Polish website / publication / media

                        OK. Prove that they are Polish. An interview with the chief editor or the author of the news (he also does not exist, yes) or their social networks will do.
                      5. 0
                        13 January 2023 12: 41
                        Quote: Eugene_Eugene
                        OK. Prove they are Polish

                        Ahahaha, judging by your hysteria, it is vital for you to prove that he is Russian - so you prove it, he doesn’t give a damn to me :) I also do your garbage work for you? laughing Now, just pull up my pants and rush to prove that the earth is round and look for you an interview with some Kaminsky or the Popelaughing Take your pills or go to sleep :)
                        Say hello to your feathered pals from stopfake lol
                      6. 0
                        14 January 2023 00: 38
                        Quote: tranquil
                        I don’t see where I would prove and assert something, except that there is a corresponding article on the Polish website / publication / media - and it is there.

                        Quote: Eugene_Eugene
                        OK. Prove that they are Polish.

                        Quote: tranquil
                        Should I also do your garbage work for you?

                        I thought so, yes

                        Quote: tranquil
                        Ahahaha, judging by your tantrum

                        Well, let's get hysterical, shall we?
                        Quote: tranquil
                        from them evidence and demand

                        Quote: tranquil
                        I don't care about them

                        Quote: tranquil
                        Ukrainian propaganda dump

                        Quote: tranquil
                        this ukro-garbage can still be on google?

                        Quote: tranquil
                        I will laugh at your struggle

                        Well, laughter for no reason is a sign of who knows
                        Quote: tranquil
                        the fruit of your inflamed independent mind

                        You can tell me about my independent mind in St. Petersburg, I will listen to you, Smeshariki
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          4. +2
            12 January 2023 14: 27
            A friend of mine recently returned from the timer battalion. He says that there are almost no Ukrainians left there, the bulk are foreigners
        2. +2
          11 January 2023 20: 37
          Is it okay that the Polish press itself writes about the losses of Polish mercenaries in Ukraine? So ask them where they are.
          https://inosmi.ru/20221212/naemniki-258768574.html
          https://inosmi.ru/20221201/kladbischa-258405099.html
          https://inosmi.ru/20221127/naemniki-258231343.html
          1. -2
            12 January 2023 15: 07
            InosMI.ru
            A news aggregator that translates articles from foreign mass media into Russian. Editor-in-Chief - A. A. Turgieva. The InoSMI service is owned by the Rossiya Segodnya MIA, owned by Dmitry Kiselyov, and financed by the Federal Press and Information Agency.
            1. +1
              12 January 2023 15: 21
              And what do you mean by that? Under each translation there is a link to the original text. You can go and check for yourself.
              Z.Y. Incidentally, I did not know that the site belongs to Kiselev. It turns out that Kiselev is fighting for freedom of speech, providing citizens who do not speak foreign languages ​​with access to the Western press!
              1. -1
                12 January 2023 18: 01
                Kiselev, I think, is just doing his job. Yes, I personally looked and there is still the same Niezależny Dziennik Polityczny
                1. -1
                  12 January 2023 18: 33
                  A news aggregator that translates articles from foreign mass media into Russian. Editor-in-Chief - A. A. Turgieva. The InoSMI service is owned by the Rossiya Segodnya MIA, owned by Dmitry Kiselyov, and financed by the Federal Press and Information Agency.

                  So, what did you want to say?
                  Yes, I personally looked and there is still the same Niezależny Dziennik Polityczny

                  And also on InoSMI there are thousands of translations of articles from various Western publications with reference to the original. And what is the malicious intent of Kiselyov? Or are you against the access of Russian citizens to the Western press?
                  1. -1
                    12 January 2023 20: 38
                    Why do citizens need access to the Western press? after all, they have "inosmi" . I read there now that the Germans were allowed to rummage through garbage cans, the news is very positive, I am quite satisfied and now I can go to sleep. but one question does not give me rest. what is their intention all the same?
                2. +1
                  13 January 2023 01: 43
                  Quote: Vladimir Pashchenko
                  Niezalezny Dziennik Polityczny

                  )))
                  There are certain doubts that these "Poles" are generally located in Poland geographically - in Poland with so-so liberalism, they can come home. It is quite possible that these Poles are sitting in St. Petersburg. Or even in some military unit.

                  Margosha has a very popular practice of publishing Russian online and not only online publications in a foreign language. The most famous is the Russian American-language magazine National Interest.
        3. Zug
          +2
          12 January 2023 17: 58
          There are Poles and Balts there. And they have been fighting for a long time. At least the Poles are units and, by the way, as army ones.
        4. 0
          13 January 2023 15: 05
          Are you looking for missing relatives (Polish dogs)? Don't worry, Ukrainian stew "in Polish" is supplied on a permanent basis.
          1. 0
            18 January 2023 19: 37
            While such lively long-tongued heroes like you are fighting in the comments on VO, Ukraine and Poland, there is nothing to worry about :)
    3. -2
      11 January 2023 18: 05
      Quote: spirit
      Apparently Leopard A4! At the level of early 72k. But the Rubicon has been passed. Abrams is only a matter of time

      Everything is going in this direction, first the "Leaperds" from Poland, then the "Abrams" from the USA, and when the Russian army takes Lvov, then the a-bomb will be brought to the Nazis.
      1. -6
        11 January 2023 18: 13
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: spirit
        Apparently Leopard A4! At the level of early 72k. But the Rubicon has been passed. Abrams is only a matter of time

        Everything is going in this direction, first the "Leaperds" from Poland, then the "Abrams" from the USA, and when the Russian army takes Lvov, then the a-bomb will be brought to the Nazis.

        thus, the conclusion is to destroy the watered force and elite of Ukraine and reformat the people of Ukraine and warn Western colleagues if they climb and get a nuclear landmine! but rather the enemies of the Russian Federation and not colleagues! well, that's not accurate!
      2. -2
        11 January 2023 18: 15
        A-bomb, what kind of animal? And, by the way, where did the tsipsota go? They've been gone for two days. What happened to them? . The site has become frankly boring
        1. +4
          11 January 2023 18: 48
          Quote: igorbrsv
          where did the pissant go? They've been gone for two days. What happened to them?

          they say everyone under arms, both lame and slanting, Bakhmut must be protected.
          1. +4
            11 January 2023 20: 53
            A huge part of the cissus herd lives abroad.
        2. +1
          11 January 2023 19: 17
          They told me it was me. I'm here.
          However, I don’t know what a cipsota is, but I can guess about infovagners.
          1. 0
            11 January 2023 21: 00
            Quote: Oleg Ogorod
            I don't know what tsipsota is, but I guess

            If you are wondering what it is, on youtube there is a recording of I. Ashmanov's exhaustive lecture entitled "Information Space as a Battlefield". With pictures.
      3. +3
        11 January 2023 18: 41
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Everything is going in this direction, first the "Leaperds" from Poland, then the "Abrams" from the USA, and when the Russian army takes Lvov, then the a-bomb will be brought to the Nazis.

        They do not understand and do not remember there, in the West, history.
        How much and what kind of combat capability (from supplying boots to the quality of generals) did our army have in June 1941?
        And on May 9, 10 million stood under arms, having a huge and hardest combat experience.

        That is why the West then did not launch the "Unthinkable" plan - there was no army in the world capable of defeating ours.

        So here.
        Our army and our defense industry in February 2022 were not at all the ones that will stand on the Polish-Ukrainian border. And I don’t know if there are people in the world who still want to fight with us. The faster the stupid suicidal desires in themselves will become obsolete, the more territory they will have left.
        Otherwise, even in 1945, no one could have prevented us from reaching the Atlantic - someone would have tried to rock the boat ...
        1. 0
          13 January 2023 01: 29
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          And on May 9, 10 million stood under arms, having a huge and hardest combat experience.

          Directly as part of the fronts about three.
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          That is why the West then did not launch the "Unthinkable" plan - there was no army in the world capable of defeating ours.

          There was no coalition on this issue. The understanding of the rightness of Churchill appeared among the Americans only by the 48th year. But Churchill, it’s not a plus for him to say, wrote tasks for the Unthinkable as if drunk - it’s completely incomprehensible how he didn’t come up with a realistic plan for a war with the USSR in so many years.
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          Our army and our defense industry in February 2022 were not at all the ones that will stand on the Polish-Ukrainian border

          )))
          Yeah. They messed up the border, but the idea is right.
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          Otherwise, even in 1945, no one could have prevented us from reaching the Atlantic - someone would have tried to rock the boat ...

          The spacecraft of the spring of 45 was probably the third most powerful army in Europe. Fortunately or unfortunately, Comrade Stalin understood this better than anyone else - as a result, he behaved relatively reasonably and, at any hint of a "continuation war," gave back. He began to check the former allies for lice only in the 48th year, when they thoroughly degraded militarily.
          1. 0
            13 January 2023 09: 50
            Incredible. And which two armies in Europe were ahead of the spacecraft in strength by the spring of 1945? British Expeditionary Force, American Expeditionary Force? Wehrmacht? Or Italians and Spaniards?
            1. 0
              13 January 2023 10: 26
              Quote: Dismas
              Incredible. And which two armies in Europe were ahead of the spacecraft in strength by the spring of 1945? British Expeditionary Force, American Expeditionary Force? Wehrmacht?

              There were three of them in general - SES, Wehrmacht and KA. Most likely, this is how they correlated - of course, with their strengths and weaknesses. Although specifically in the spring of 45, the position of the Reich was already extreme, so there are doubts about the combat capability of the Wehrmacht as a whole.
    4. +3
      11 January 2023 18: 15
      Yes, no one doubted that they would appear, here there was a surprise patriot, and tanks and planes were a matter of time.
    5. -1
      11 January 2023 18: 47
      everything is right God is not a fraer, the red lines move gradually when the Lances are put there and before Atakms, Abramovich needs to twist his tail, let him rub it with partners that the Minutemen are still not like boys
  2. -7
    11 January 2023 17: 47
    Taking into account the fact that in Ukraine at the beginning of the database there were about 2000 of their tanks, the transfer of 14 additional units is simply nothing.
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    2. +9
      11 January 2023 17: 56
      14 tanks is nothing, but I think that this is just the beginning and the number will grow.
      1. +9
        11 January 2023 18: 09
        the number will rise

        Naturally. This maneuver with an initial small amount is needed to remove personal responsibility. The Poles will put a bit, the British, Germans, Americans will throw off a bit of the old M1A1.
        It is being done so that it would be possible to continue to buy energy resources from Russia at the same time supplying these tanks.
        Like some Germans will say later, well, they still supply tanks and we don’t do much, it won’t hurt business with you. We supplied Panzers 2000 and nothing) just think a few leopards feel
    3. +17
      11 January 2023 17: 58
      These 14 pieces may be followed by several hundred more, if agreed. And in total, there are about 3000 old "Leopards" in NATO countries.
    4. +10
      11 January 2023 18: 02
      There were 850 combat-ready in the ranks.
      And now about 400-600.
      (Minus - losses. Plus - from storage, supplies and trophies).
    5. 0
      11 January 2023 18: 08
      where 14 is there and 140 and it is not known what they will transfer, you need to bang along the border when there will be tanks if they are not there
    6. +6
      11 January 2023 18: 30
      at the beginning they were also given one by one, and now the result is negative, they will give a lot of tanks, it is necessary to prepare only without hats
  3. +1
    11 January 2023 17: 49
    Apparently all these transmissions will be with full-time mercenary crews, to save time on training
    1. +2
      11 January 2023 19: 20
      Do you really think that it takes 4 years to teach tankers, as in Soviet and Russian military schools? And do you think they have not been taught in recent months?
      1. 0
        11 January 2023 19: 39
        Quote: Oleg Ogorod
        Do you really think that it takes 4 years to teach tankers, as in Soviet and Russian military schools? And do you think they have not been taught in recent months?

        It is possible to prepare, but the whole question is in quality ... Who will know the weapons and military equipment better, the one who studied for half a year or who served for five years on it? It's no secret that Psheks and Britons have a lot of both mercenaries and vacationers, so why should they be given a company that speaks the language to reinforce, when you can give "relatives"?
  4. +14
    11 January 2023 17: 49
    Well, we will console ourselves again, saying that there are few old tanks, and so on and so forth.
    1. +3
      11 January 2023 18: 14
      and that "time is on our side"...
  5. -7
    11 January 2023 17: 49
    It's time to bang and not bend your fingers !!! And there is nothing to lick snot
    1. 0
      11 January 2023 18: 13
      It's time to bang and not bend your fingers !!! And there is nothing to lick snot

      Forgot how Putin threatened? If someone encroaches on Russian territory, it will be ah yay yay. It's not a bluff.
      And then bam and Kherson "not ours"

      Or, as he said in February: if anyone intervenes, he will be overtaken by something that they have never experienced in their history. And it turned out to be true. They have never plundered nuclear powers and milked oil for half the price. This has never happened before in history.

      Who will give the order to bang and where?????
      Express concern and only
  6. -16
    11 January 2023 17: 54
    The fewer tanks left in Poland, the better. Safer for Belarus and our group there.
    1. +6
      11 January 2023 18: 06
      Quote: voice of reason
      The fewer tanks left in Poland, the better.

      Better let the "Leaperds" stand in Poland, it's more reliable.
    2. +1
      11 January 2023 18: 31
      well, let's support the American military-industrial complex ......... they won’t get smaller, on the contrary, more, such grandmas will flow now
    3. +2
      11 January 2023 19: 37
      Quote: voice of reason
      The fewer tanks left in Poland, the better

      Poland is getting more tanks, not fewer. Recently, just 10 Koreans arrived, and the first Abrams battalion is expected in the near future. I expected that the Poles would first of all get rid of the remnants of the Sovietoids, but they decided to sharpen the game.
  7. +15
    11 January 2023 17: 55
    14 here, 20 there, 50 there, 40 here, etc. Hundreds of all kinds of heavy weapons are being recruited, which will not take long to wait on the fronts. This is the focus of these figures, unfortunately, this single supply of one country seems insignificant, but if we sum up everything in a compartment, what are the Nazis of the whole world dragging to Ukraine? The flywheel of war is accelerating faster and faster, that's what is unfortunate.
    1. +6
      11 January 2023 18: 00
      Yes, what "Natsiks", calm down already. I got this nonsense. They do not want Russia to strengthen in Europe, so they are helping Ukraine.
      1. +1
        11 January 2023 18: 47
        Well, what a nice person, how are the Natsiks? Yes, different of all stripes and all sorts of countries, the descendants of the euro SS, so to speak, are diverse from Denmarks and Vikings with Charlemagne to bitches from Galicia, tea names are known?
        Although what changes the names and game terms? And remembering her Polish great-grandmother, the old Poles in Poland loved to call whores for something.
        1. +2
          11 January 2023 22: 09
          Google, have fun... "Aleksey Milchakov, commander of DSHRG Rusich, is a simple St. Petersburg guy with complicated ultra-right, as he himself says on camera, Nazi views.
      2. -1
        11 January 2023 20: 14
        The most ordinary fascists, Nazis from all over the world, who sleep and see how to destroy Russia and all its peoples. I can't name these bastards otherwise. They openly voice their main goal - the destruction of Russia as a state.
    2. +5
      11 January 2023 18: 17
      They are talking about the creation of three tank brigades on NATO weapons. The US tank brigade has 87 tanks and ~ 140 infantry fighting vehicles. Accordingly, 261 tanks and 420 infantry fighting vehicles are needed. Accordingly, while there are 10% and 20% of the required amount.
  8. -14
    11 January 2023 17: 55
    Well, the nuclear facility in Lviv should solve this problem.
  9. +13
    11 January 2023 17: 56
    How many of these "does not affect" have already been? I've lost count... wassat
  10. +6
    11 January 2023 17: 56
    Well... We won't be able to change this decision, which means we'll have to fight the leopards. Again German tanks on Ukrainian soil - history repeats itself. And it seems to me that these 14 pieces are just the beginning.
    1. +5
      11 January 2023 18: 03
      Leshak hi, of course, only the beginning, in the spring Slovenia launched a trial echelon with modern Soviet tanks, Moscow did nothing and away we go, now the Poles will launch a trial company, then it will fall, I think by spring there will be more than one or two or even three companies of NATO tanks will be. And there, aviation will catch up.
      1. +2
        11 January 2023 22: 12
        Today, the Czech Republic is transferring the first batch of modernized T-72s (Czech version +- T-72B3). A total of 90 pieces are planned. 45 pieces were paid by the USA, 45 pieces - by the Netherlands. This is much more significant than the Leopard 2A4 company.
  11. -1
    11 January 2023 18: 05
    - Andrzej, you are so, you are so ....
    -What kind?
    - Well, fickle ... like a young maiden ...
    -In terms of ?!
    - In a simple ... then I will give, then I will not give, then I will give again!
  12. +1
    11 January 2023 18: 07
    poland tanks the usa and germany infantry fighting vehicles and soon this too tanks will give a fist make a shock
  13. 0
    11 January 2023 18: 14
    Without the order of the overseas Karabas-Barabas, these dolls do not make decisions on their own.
    So one of two things:
    -or at uk.ry everything is very bad.
    -or the States decided to escalate the situation.
    1. +1
      11 January 2023 19: 32
      You, like many others, did not understand the main thing.
      The West regulates arms supplies to Ukraine so that the war on the territory of Ukraine and Russia lasts as long as possible. To kill more Ukrainians and Russians. So that Russia spends more and more of its resources on this war.
      But at the same time, so that this war does not create a direct threat to the existence of Russia, when it can first use tactical, and then strategic nuclear weapons.
      And this plan is working.
      Only the Ukrainians did not understand that the West was clearing the territory of Ukraine from Ukrainians. Too many lived there. Both industry and science were too advanced after the USSR. And they need Ukraine only as a grain field.
      And the war in Ukraine only contributes to this.
      And of course, the West is not at all satisfied with Russia's plans to deprive the remnants of Ukraine's grain field of access to the Black Sea and ports on it.
      1. 0
        11 January 2023 20: 47
        Quote: Oleg Ogorod
        The West regulates arms supplies to Ukraine so that the war on the territory of Ukraine and Russia lasts as long as possible. To kill more Ukrainians and Russians. So that Russia spends more and more of its resources on this war.
        But at the same time, so that this war does not create a direct threat to the existence of Russia, when it can first use tactical, and then strategic nuclear weapons.
        And this plan is working.

        I think so too.
        For the loss of Soledar - Leopards,
        For massive missile strikes - Patriot,
        For the successes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the fall - we ourselves have nothing in our arsenals,
        For the superiority of the Russian Federation in art in the spring and summer - PZ2000 and M777,
        and so on everywhere.
        The more pressure from the Russian Federation, the more the West strengthens Ukraine. The more successes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the less Western support.
        Newton's third law.
        What do you think is the way out?
  14. -2
    11 January 2023 18: 14
    I wonder how much longer interested parties will be able to lobby for the preservation of the Dnieper bridges intact?
    1. +5
      11 January 2023 18: 19
      Quote: Pulkovo1942
      I wonder how much longer interested parties will be able to lobby for the preservation of the Dnieper bridges intact?

      Even the great critic of our command Strelkov admitted that the destruction of bridges is a very difficult task. If only everything was that simple.
      1. -3
        11 January 2023 18: 26
        very difficult task

        There would be a desire. You can pull out the "stuffing" from Poplar and pulnut with a blank. No bridge can withstand such a mass. Just warn partners in advance through diplomatic channels so that they don’t get triggered.
        1. 0
          11 January 2023 18: 42
          Quote: Pulkovo1942

          There would be a desire. You can pull out the "stuffing" from Poplar and pulnut with a blank. No bridge can withstand such a mass. Just warn partners in advance through diplomatic channels so that they don’t get triggered.

          There was a desire. As for Poplar: can I see the calculations? More than a dozen rockets were used on the bridge in Zatoka, hit with Hummingbirds on the bridge in the Cherkasy region, the bridge in Zaporozhye and Dnepropetrovsk. The result is so-so.
        2. 0
          11 January 2023 19: 38
          Poplar is a blank, not designed to hit the bridge. This is an atomic blank, exploding with terrible force. And it doesn’t matter there, 5 meters from the target, 50 meters, 200 meters, 500 meters. Yes, it is possible in the air.
          And how do you get it exactly into the bridge?
          She flies like a blank, hell knows from what height.
      2. SIT
        +1
        11 January 2023 21: 14
        Quote: Chronos
        Quote: Pulkovo1942
        I wonder how much longer interested parties will be able to lobby for the preservation of the Dnieper bridges intact?

        Even the great critic of our command Strelkov admitted that the destruction of bridges is a very difficult task. If only everything was that simple.

        Let me remind you that this military operation is SPECIAL, i.e. then, according to the logic of events, special operations forces should play a leading role in such an operation. The destruction of bridges and other infrastructure is part of the tasks of special forces everywhere and everywhere. Moreover, preparations for such actions are carried out even in the threatened period before the start of hostilities, as a result of which the bridges take off into the air exactly at X hour. So where is the SPECIAL operation ??
  15. -3
    11 January 2023 18: 15
    The President of Poland announced the decision to transfer to Ukraine a company of Leopard heavy tanks

    Division "Caliber" to the place of transfer ...
  16. 0
    11 January 2023 18: 15
    The blue planes do not end, now the tanks will begin to multiply. All these red lines are nonsense. The war with NATO will be long.
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  17. +3
    11 January 2023 18: 17
    The farther away, the more willingly they will deliver anything there. At least to test it in combat conditions, such a posh training ground, and cannon fodder asks for nothing but shorts for their lives.
  18. +2
    11 January 2023 18: 17
    This is a trial balloon, another month others will go, then planes, Europe will not let the Russian Federation win, you have to think what to do
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  20. +2
    11 January 2023 18: 21
    Europeans have always sought to kill Russians, now they have a great opportunity to shed other people's blood without risking their own. Unfortunately, in this conflict we are led by a very weak government, on which the West wipes its feet as it wants. By the way, half a million Russians have already died in the conflict, even if most of them are brainwashed. When will the Europeans start to suffer and die? The West is escalating every month, why has Russia not taken steps towards a meeting so far? Let's blow up the Norwegian oil and gas pipeline to Poland, this will raise the level of escalation and the price of gas and oil, and will also send a signal to Europe.
    1. 0
      13 January 2023 10: 03
      Why should the Europeans suffer? In civilian (although this one is not civilian? The Tyrolean differs from the Prussian more than the Russian from the Ukrainian. Or the Ossi from the Wessi) Europeans also did not suffer and did not die, and the interventionists did not particularly climb into hell, preferring to sit in the rear and give instructions , we and without them frenziedly shredded each other.
  21. -2
    11 January 2023 18: 33
    We need to prepare a "meeting". There is no other way out. Kamikaze with a reinforced warhead, tracking delivery routes (you can’t just drag such a bandura like that). All the same, they will work at the line of contact, and not from the rear. Saturation with cannon artillery, ATGMs. It's just a tank - a replacement for already knocked out positions. It burns just like 72. They just need to supply something, but the Soviet heritage is already mute. Well, work out the options (and they will be), in case of an increase in supplies. It is possible to consider the expediency of the existence of such a street as Bankovaya.
  22. -2
    11 January 2023 18: 44
    you need to work and that's it .. and you shouldn't underestimate and you shouldn't overestimate ..
  23. 0
    11 January 2023 18: 47
    Others will follow the Poles, as soon as France handed over its wheeled tanks and there was talk that the transfer of tanks - it immediately became clear that the decision had been made and when the matter of time was handed over here, well, the first ones went. The stakes are rising, the West has realized in a year that there are no red lines against them, and we are not going to use nuclear weapons on our part.
    It is clear that the tank is not a "wunderwaffle", and invulnerable equipment does not exist - everything is destroyed. Only at what "price" is it destroyed, that is the question.
  24. +4
    11 January 2023 18: 56
    Quote: Murmur 55
    Leshak hi, of course, only the beginning, in the spring Slovenia launched a trial echelon with modern Soviet tanks, Moscow did nothing and away we go, now the Poles will launch a trial company, then it will fall, I think by spring there will be more than one or two or even three companies of NATO tanks will be. And there, aviation will catch up.

    "Moscow did nothing." And what can Moscow do to at least one NATO country and any other country in general, so that they would refuse to support the UGIL? We don't have any leverage...
  25. 0
    11 January 2023 19: 15
    Maybe we should not wait for the supply of tanks and destroy all the bridges near the Polish-Ukrainian border!? Or is our brilliant General Staff not looking for easy ways and will wait for the appearance of enemy tanks on the front line?
  26. +4
    11 January 2023 19: 22
    Poland, within the framework of the international coalition, will transfer to Ukraine a company of heavy German-made Leopard tanks. This was stated by Polish President Andrzej Duda after a meeting in Lviv with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.
    It should be noted that in the tank company of the armies of NATO countries, in most cases, there are 14 tanks. Now the ground forces of Poland have more than 240 Leopard tanks. Accordingly, the transfer of 14 tanks will not have a significant impact on the defense of Poland.


    There are different data on the number, from 10 to 14.

    In general, the news is bad.

    But in the "short period" it's "nothing at all" - no one will send 10-14 tanks into the attack, and it will still be necessary to resolve issues of training (at least a month, IMHO) and logistics, from new fuel and lubricants and consumables to new 120 mm NATO shells . And "right now" it would be worse for us if the same Poles (for the supply of the same Leo2 or "just like that") would take and give away their Tvards and everything that they had left of the T72 - the Armed Forces of Ukraine have problems with the introduction of equipment would not be.
    In general, IMHO, no one will kill Leo2 for a couple of months, since they will not be on LBS.

    In the "long period" this is very bad news. Having 14 tanks, trained personnel and logistics, the Armed Forces of Ukraine can ask "give Leo2 more" or even ask for Abrams, plus in parallel the "remains" of "Soviet-type" tanks from Poland, for example, will go to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    1. 0
      11 January 2023 22: 35
      Because Since the Polish army is re-equipping with new M1A2 SEPv3 Abrams and "Korean leopards" K2 Black Panther, a decision was made to radically eliminate the tank mix by transferring all T-72s (actively transferred) and PT-91 Tvarda with their 125mm guns to Ukraine. They also have Leopards 2A4, some of which are being upgraded to 2A4PL (reinforced turret, sights, modern shells). There was news that the modernization on their own is going slowly and perhaps that is why the Poles simply ordered the same number of K2 panthers from the Koreans (which are shipped on time). Then all leopards, instead of modernization, will also go gradually to Ukraine.
      1. 0
        13 January 2023 01: 09
        Quote from Flanker692
        Because the Polish army is re-equipping with new M1A2 SEPv3 abrams and "Korean leopards" K2 Black Panther

        There everywhere 2026 and beyond in time.
        Quote from Flanker692
        Then all leopards, instead of modernization, will also go gradually to Ukraine.

        Gradually. And right now it is rather a provocation against the Germans.
    2. 0
      13 January 2023 01: 10
      Quote: Wildcat
      they would have taken and given away their Tvards and everything that they had left of the T72 - the Armed Forces of Ukraine would have no problems with the introduction of equipment.

      One does not exclude the other. But for this, the Americans must speed up the supply of Abrams, otherwise the whole division will be left without tanks.
  27. 0
    11 January 2023 19: 35
    Here's how not to remember the kind word of Mr. Putin Vladimir Leopoldovich? How long will all this go, sail, fly to U.k.r.or.e.yh? How long will we be "responsible suppliers" to unfriendly countries (now Pakistan)? What do we trade with them? How tired of political co-operation.
  28. 0
    11 January 2023 22: 02
    It is quite possible that we are talking about a dozen Leopard tanks 1?
    Which are only a burden to the Poles who have assembled FIVE types of tanks in their troops
  29. -1
    11 January 2023 22: 21
    Who doubted? Since chocks / logs from Ukrainian mobiks in the firebox of the war began to burn badly, a few leopards and challengers were thrown for ignition. Like patriots, javelins, anti-aircraft guns and other weapons before.
    As soon as the next 100 Svidomo burn out, Abrams will also be thrown. When these burn out, the F-000s will also go there. Yes, at least the F-16, albeit a little defective / incomplete. Ukrainians raising weapons must be destroyed! At any price! The State Department decided so, a spy with the rank of KGB colonel plays along, throwing his portion of Russians and not only into the furnace.
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  31. 0
    12 January 2023 13: 47
    I will not repeat.

    "About Western "tanks" and tanks on U." https://trymava.rf/?p=40455
  32. 0
    12 January 2023 14: 30
    And again, German cats will burn on our mortal land .....
  33. 0
    12 January 2023 14: 59
    They are testing the waters and looking at Moscow's reaction to larger deliveries.
  34. 0
    12 January 2023 23: 42
    You need to pound on the psheks to calm down, but to warn if at least one tank arrives from the NATO country, the Pentagon and Brussels are a legitimate target without warning and the avant-gardes of the Sormati Iposeidon, work ahead, brothers.
  35. 0
    13 January 2023 10: 01
    Having one company is only a hassle. After all, we need a repair base, adaptations, CPA, supplies, specialists. And all for the company. Shine.
    1. +1
      13 January 2023 10: 28
      Quote from Vashek
      After all, we need a repair base, adaptations, CPA, supplies, specialists

      Well, or vice versa. Give a company just to start arranging all this - and then there were fewer problems with large deliveries.

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