BTR Stryker for Ukraine

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BTR Stryker for Ukraine
M1126 Stryker armored personnel carrier


In recent days, foreign states have begun to more actively discuss the possibility of sending their armored vehicles to Ukraine. Thus, the United States has already announced the transfer of infantry fighting vehicles, while other countries do not exclude the possibility of supplying infantry fighting vehicles and tanks. In addition, it became known that Washington is discussing the hypothetical transfer of Stryker armored personnel carriers. If an appropriate decision is made, then such equipment may already be included in the next package of military-technical assistance.



According to the press


The possible delivery of the Strykers was reported on January 9 by the American publication Politico. It received information about the relevant discussions from unnamed representatives of the US Department of Defense who are familiar with the situation. At the same time, there is no official information on this subject yet. A Pentagon spokesman effectively declined to comment.

Politico's sources reported that the composition of the next military-technical assistance packages for Ukraine is now being discussed in the United States. In particular, the possibility of allocating and sending a certain number of armored personnel carriers of the Stryker line is being considered. Discussions of this kind have not yet been completed and a decision has not yet been taken.

The discussion may end as soon as possible. Thus, sources do not exclude that the Strykers will be included in the next aid package. It is planned to be approved and disclosed at the end of next week - against the background of the next meeting of the NATO contact group. At the same time, it is not excluded that the supply of armored personnel carriers will be included only in the next package, the timing of which is not yet known.

Politico writes that Stryker armored vehicles are considered as another means of increasing the mobility and combat capability of Ukrainian armed formations. For obvious reasons, the Kyiv regime's need for armored vehicles is constantly growing, and it is planned to cover part of such needs with American armored personnel carriers.


In addition, Washington and Kyiv fear that the Russian army will launch a new offensive in the near future. In this case, the armored vehicles from the new aid packages will have to strengthen the Ukrainian defense.

It is curious that the Ukrainian formations already have armored vehicles similar to the American Strykers. Back in July, Canada promised to transfer to the Kyiv regime 39 LAV ACSV armored personnel carriers, made on the same base as the Stryker. The delivery of this equipment encountered some difficulties, but recently it was noticed in the war zone.

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The Stryker project was developed by General Dynamics Land Systems (GDLS) in the late nineties. His goal was to create a unified wheeled armored platform and a number of combat and auxiliary vehicles based on it. The new platform was made on the basis of the existing LAV III armored vehicle, previously developed for Canada based on the Swiss Piranha armored personnel carrier.

By the beginning of the 2000s, several variants of the Stryker had been tested and were recommended for adoption. In 2001-4,5 The Pentagon has placed orders for the production of ca. 1126 thousand armored vehicles of different versions. For the ground forces, they purchased M1296 armored personnel carriers, M1127 infantry fighting vehicles, M1128 reconnaissance vehicles, MXNUMX fire support vehicles, etc.

Deliveries of vehicles of the Stryker line were accompanied by a change in the organizational structure and equipment of the troops. Such equipment entered service with the so-called. medium brigades and gave them high mobility and wide combat capabilities.


In 2003, units on the "Strykers" took part in the invasion of Iraq. They continued combat work and duty almost until the withdrawal of American forces from Iraqi territory. During the operation in the framework of a real military operation, armored vehicles received an ambiguous assessment. There was a fairly high level of protection, good mobility and ease of use. At the same time, the equipment did not protect the crews from all threats, and attempts to improve protection had a negative impact on other parameters.

It is noteworthy that the armored vehicles of the Stryker family were produced only for the US ground forces. For foreign customers, GDLS offered other unified designs, but not the original Strykers. If the American leadership makes an appropriate decision in the near future, then Ukraine will become the first foreign recipient of such equipment.

Technical features


All samples of the Stryker family are built on the basis of a unified wheeled platform, but receive different equipment and weapons. Such a platform has a steel welded mid-engine hull and an all-wheel drive four-axle undercarriage. In front of the car is the driver, in the stern - troops or special equipment.

The body's own armor in the frontal projection provides level 4 protection according to the STANAG 4569 standard (against 14,5 mm bullets). The rest of the parts can withstand 7,62 mm rifle bullets (level 3). It is planned to install hinged Mexas armor, thanks to which the forehead can withstand small-caliber projectiles. Part of the "Strikers" is equipped with active protection Iron Curtain.

The platform is equipped with a 3126 hp Caterpillar 350 diesel engine. With a combat weight of at least 17 tons, the vehicles of the family are capable of speeds up to 95-97 km / h on the highway and move over rough terrain. Due to the high mass, the cars do not float; water barriers are overcome along fords up to 1,2 m deep.


"Stryker" with KAZ Iron Curtain

In the modification of the armored personnel carrier, the Stryker carries a remotely controlled weapon station with a normal or large caliber machine gun or an automatic grenade launcher. Other modifications of the vehicle can carry a small-caliber gun, 105 mm rifled gun, 120 mm mortar, TOW missiles, etc. The effective use of weapons is provided by the "battlefield control system" FBCB2.

No clear benefits


Despite the identified shortcomings and well-known criticism, the Stryker family of armored vehicles remains in service with the US Army, although it was decided to abandon individual samples. These machines still retain certain advantages, and the Pentagon is going to continue to use their potential.

In the near future, a number of such armored vehicles may go to Ukraine. The decision has not yet been made, but it is already clear that the results of such assistance will not meet expectations. The Kyiv regime simply will not be able to use the potential of foreign cars - and they will not affect the overall course of events.

Probably, the number of Strykers planned for delivery does not exceed a few dozen. This will not be enough even to partially make up for the losses of recent months and restore the potential of motorized infantry. The restoration of the fleet requires hundreds of armored vehicles, and with delivery in a short time. But Kyiv should not expect this.

One of the goals of the American project was the maximum unification of a variety of equipment, allowing you to get certain benefits. Ukrainian formations will not receive such advantages - also due to the small number of Stryker armored vehicles. Moreover, obtaining another foreign sample will further complicate the supply and maintenance.


Technically and in terms of combat characteristics, the Stryker in the armored personnel carrier version is not something unique or special. Due to the wheeled chassis, such an armored personnel carrier has high mobility and mobility, but only if there is a road network. The modular construction of armor allows you to protect yourself from various receiver systems, but does not provide protection against anti-tank weapons. The proposed weapons for a full-time DBM have limited firepower and are virtually useless against armored vehicles.

In general, the Stryker armored personnel carrier is a good vehicle in its class and is capable of solving the intended tasks. However, combat work in the face of active opposition from a developed enemy is associated with great risks. At the same time, it is highly likely that the wrecked vehicles will not be able to be restored and returned to service - due to the presence of additional logistical and organizational problems.

With unclear prospects


Thus, there is a specific and curious situation. It is still not known for certain whether the United States will send its wheeled armored personnel carriers to Ukraine. Also, the timing of the transfer, the amount of equipment, etc. are in question. Perhaps information on this subject will appear next week, against the background of the next meeting of the NATO contact group.

However, it is already clear that help in the form of "Strikers" has a very limited potential and will not allow solving all the urgent problems of Ukrainian formations. Nevertheless, the United States intends to support the Kyiv regime with the supply of weapons and equipment. And now, having exhausted foreign stocks of Soviet-style equipment, they will reduce their own fleet of armored vehicles.
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  1. +9
    12 January 2023 05: 22
    what is the Stryker when the decisions on the "challengers" and "leopards" are made. that's where the "fun" is.
    1. +6
      12 January 2023 05: 29
      For leopards, it has not yet been accepted, but most likely it will be accepted, and for challengers, the supply of 10 units. Unpleasant but not critical. If hundreds of them will be delivered then, of course, seriously.
      All these supplies are in the nature of creating conditions for an ongoing war. So that neither side has advantages and does not win the war.
      1. +2
        12 January 2023 05: 44
        Quote: YOUR
        Not accepted for leopards yet


        Poland, within the framework of the international coalition, will transfer to Ukraine a company of heavy German-made Leopard tanks. This was stated by Polish President Andrzej Duda after a meeting in Lviv with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.
        1. -8
          12 January 2023 05: 55
          Quote: Aerodrome
          will give Ukraine a company of Leopard heavy tanks

          Also 10 tanks. So-so help.
          1. +9
            12 January 2023 05: 59
            Quote: YOUR
            Quote: Aerodrome
            will give Ukraine a company of Leopard heavy tanks

            Also 10 tanks. So-so help.

            this is a precedent, others will follow these, and things will come to the "abrams".
            1. +4
              12 January 2023 07: 08
              So the Abrams are next on the list. Increasingly. Apparently then the F-16 and Gray Needles.
              1. +9
                12 January 2023 11: 50
                I personally follow when the KMP Vipers and Cobras from the 309th base in Davis Montana will go.




                A lot of them. They are relatively fresh (10-15-20s of canning with large residual resources and release in the 90s-00s and even later! There 5 year old Vipers are canned for example). Train on them faster than on the F-16. They are not so media-PR. The regular Hellfire platform, which was transferred by hundreds and now the emphasis is on the fact that there are no carriers. Established platform for any adjustable bunk. Night by 146%.
                1. +3
                  12 January 2023 13: 02
                  hi hi
                  when will the KMP Vipers and Cobras from the 309th base in Davis Montana go. //// The regular Hellfire platform, which was transferred by hundreds and now the emphasis is on the fact that there are no carriers

                  IMHO, of course, but with unsuppressed military air defense and active Air Force fighters, "attacking helicopters" are unlikely to be produced in significant quantities.
                  For tactics, "NURSs from a roll-up" are a little expensive, when firing at a "visible target" there are high chances of being shot down. "Transporters / station wagons" of the Mi8 / 17 type will be sent, if possible, in the worst case.

                  But Bradley and M113 seem to be "uncovered" in significant quantities.
                  1. +4
                    12 January 2023 14: 06
                    Helicopters and attack drones are a fairly distant stage of the escalation. For their effective work, aviation with AWACS is needed. That's what, but AWACS has not yet been mentioned in the context of NWO at all. So first planes, then helicopters. It is possible and vice versa, but it would be unreasonable.
                    1. +8
                      12 January 2023 15: 19
                      IMHO, aviation is like in the old joke about Gefitle fish - "for later." The Armed Forces of Ukraine have attack drones, but with unsuppressed air defense / air force, this is also so-so entertainment, for a couple of sorties (although cheaper than helicopters / planes).

                      What is really strange is if the Strikers really will.
                      M113 has not yet been rowed, BTR60 / 70/80, BMP1 / 2 row and row. Perhaps Zaluzhny's "direct speech" (where he hinted that there is a theoretical possibility "to speak like Mannerheim with soldiers") slightly shook the Ramstein coalition and the coalition decided to plant tanks, armored personnel carriers / infantry fighting vehicles and air defense (even Sparrow was "uncovered" suddenly) in the required quantities on the terms "we are sending right now, just hold on." It is not clear where Ramstein can get as much artillery as Zaluzhny wants (and shells for her), but it is possible that they will compensate with MLRS and drones.

                      Tanks "western type for testing" will also be given, but this is so, for "study and pampering", so that the APU will appreciate the problems of logistics / mobility. IMHO, Poland will be "stimulated" in Ramstein, so that Tvarda will quickly resolve the issue.
                      1. +4
                        12 January 2023 20: 00
                        Quote: Wildcat
                        The Armed Forces of Ukraine have attack drones, but with unsuppressed air defense / air force, this is also so-so entertainment

                        Exactly. Therefore, first suppression of air defense, then work against the ground. The same story as with the Russian Aerospace Forces, just the other way around.

                        Without resolving the issue of air defense, the only use of aviation is the strikes of the Kyrgyz Republic in the deep rear of the enemy.
                        Quote: Wildcat
                        What is really strange is if the Strikers really will.

                        Yes, somehow there is too much news in recent days. Let's hope that after Ramstein the situation will clear up.
                      2. +6
                        12 January 2023 20: 44
                        Exactly. Therefore, first suppression of air defense, then work against the ground. The same story as with the Russian Aerospace Forces, just the other way around.
                        Without resolving the issue of air defense, the only use of aviation is the strikes of the Kyrgyz Republic in the deep rear of the enemy.

                        How to say...
                        The example of the Israeli Air Force, which insidiously fly "outside the C300 and C400 area of ​​responsibility" and at the same time bomb whatever they want, seems to be hinting: if Biden writes out F16 with analogues of JayDamams and Spies (for example, under the promise of the Armed Forces of Ukraine "only bomb on / in Ukraine"), then bombs weighing up to a ton will arrive with an accuracy of up to a meter. And air defense can not be disturbed at the same time.
                      3. 0
                        12 January 2023 21: 26
                        Quote: Wildcat
                        An example of the Israeli Air Force, which insidiously fly "outside the C300 and C400 area of ​​responsibility" and at the same time bomb what they want, as it were, hints

                        So they work on pre-explored targets, from their point of view - the rear. And not tanks with art are a nightmare. For tanks with air defense artillery, you still have to endure - this is a large-scale task for older brothers too. The APU in the sweetest dreams will not have more than one wing of aircraft.
                      4. +3
                        13 January 2023 16: 20
                        For tanks with air defense artillery, you still have to endure - this is a large-scale task for older brothers too.
                        Quite recently, in one country they already conducted an experiment on "taking out air defense" - and it turned out that MANPADS are not taken out from the word "absolutely", and mobile air defense systems all drive up to the battlefield and drive up.
                        After a full-scale experiment was carried out and it was an absolute order, "firing by NURSs from a nose-up without flying over the BS line" was adopted as the main method. According to the apt remark of one of the pilots, which I already brought here, "otherwise there will be no cars and crews left."

                        IMHO, this is a false dichotomy "for tanks and artillery, you need to take out air defense or not at all." On both sides of the NVO, kamikaze drones in the style of "cheap, a lot and always" are engaged in hitting point and maneuvering targets.
                      5. +2
                        13 January 2023 21: 37
                        Quote: Wildcat
                        it turned out that MANPADS are not taken out from the word "completely", and mobile air defense systems all drive up to the battlefield and drive up.

                        You see, drug addicts have thought about it. Reaper does not finish any "light" complex up to TorM2 inclusive in height. Current Nazi close support standards suggest 100% upstart.
                        Quote: Wildcat
                        On both sides of the NVO, kamikaze drones in the style of "cheap, a lot and always" are engaged in hitting point and maneuvering targets.

                        You are right, in its modern form, attack aircraft, including helicopters, have been squeezed into a very narrow niche - and there are disputes whether this niche exists at all. Here the question is not only and not so much in cheapness, but in subordination - a switchblade can be launched at the company level, and aviation implies access to the command of a theater of operations.
                    2. +5
                      12 January 2023 16: 52
                      Well, Cobras may well work as Helfires now, especially Vipers at night. Even if this forces the air defense to be pulled to the forefront under mass means of destruction, at the cost of a couple of lost cobras, this is already quite justified.

                      Also, they may well nightmare howls / beat equipment / seep and beat columns. In general, inducing much more tension than the Mi-24 launching the S-8 from a cabriolet somewhere there.
                      1. 0
                        12 January 2023 20: 34
                        Rare case, but I do not agree with you.
                        Not only will military air defense await them, but the Air Force will regularly hunt them, even at night. In such a situation, "nightmare the vops / beat the equipment / seep and beat the columns", if it works out, then a couple of times, no more.

                        IMHO, the issue of "western-style attack helicopters" for the Armed Forces of Ukraine was not seriously discussed or raised anywhere (unlike the same F16, from which theoretically there could be more harm). Even the latest list of "Zaluzhny's Wishlist" contains tanks, infantry fighting vehicles / armored personnel carriers and artillery, but not helicopters.

                        I do not deny the fundamental possibility of such supplies - which Biden is not joking - but so far there are no signs.

                        IMHO, again, there is no point in using them, as originally intended ("flying ATGMs with a cannon and NURSs") - the issue of "tank wedges" after February-May was removed and removed for a long time; and there is no need, only the last delivery for the Armed Forces contains 500 TOU.
                        It is also impossible to use them as in "Desert Storm", the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not yet think of XNUMX-kilometer breakthroughs, for which helicopters "cut through air defense and hunt ground vehicles."

                        In principle, "attacking helicopters", except for the most advanced versions of the Apache with a radar, are already a "dying species", IMHO, more and more leaning towards either a war with the carriers of slippers on Toyotas with machine guns, or to wonderful shooting by NURSs into the blue sky towards the enemy.
                      2. +3
                        12 January 2023 21: 22
                        Quote: donavi49
                        at the cost of a couple of lost cobras, this is already quite justified.

                        Why only couples? The saturation of the RF Armed Forces with air defense systems is quite dense.
                        Quote: donavi49
                        Even if it forces the air defense to be pulled to the forefront under massive weapons of destruction

                        And why not pull the air defense systems, on the contrary, to the rear?
                        Quote: donavi49
                        Well, Cobras may well work as Helfires now, especially Vipers at night

                        Lord, why? If he scouted the target, he gave the coordinates and wait for the Hymars / Excalibur, they are not so different in price from the helper. Whether during the day or at night. Or should the helicopter look for targets on its own? Then serious losses are inevitable.
            2. +6
              12 January 2023 07: 41
              Weapons will be supplied just enough to make the conflict protracted
              1. -1
                12 January 2023 11: 44
                It's a perfectly viable theory. The West put on conditional 5 years. This will allow you to gently lead to a controlled collapse (well, or Porukha 2.0). With mass deliveries, and especially major failures at the front, this may well lead to "Cut the last cucumber or why do we need a world without Russia.", which the West is trying to avoid with all its might.
            3. -3
              12 January 2023 14: 24
              "this is a precedent, others will follow"
              others are who? and do all others have abrams in commercial quantities? or leopards?
            4. 0
              12 January 2023 20: 10
              The NATO tank company is 14 vehicles.
          2. +2
            12 January 2023 17: 09
            There is still Spain and Finland to catch up, the Germans themselves probably. So what will
          3. +1
            13 January 2023 00: 24
            Quote: YOUR
            So so help

            She would be so-so. If the adjective "initial" did not exist in Russian. Which just asks to be next to the noun "help".
            And the final chord of the article surprised.
            So, "Nevertheless, the United States intends to support the Kyiv regime with the supply of weapons and equipment. And now, having exhausted foreign stocks of Soviet-style equipment, they will reduce their own fleet of armored vehicles"?
            And what prevents them from building up this park? Moreover, very quickly and on a huge scale? Do they have difficulty with technology? Not enough money? Are they under sanctions? Industrial potential is low?
            1. +5
              13 January 2023 08: 28
              Quote from: skeptick2
              And what prevents them from building up this park? Moreover, very quickly and on a huge scale? Do they have difficulty with technology? Not enough money? Are they under sanctions? Industrial potential is low?

              You don't seem to be aware of this story.

              The idea is very popular on the forum that the United States has lost industry in general and the tank industry in particular. In support of this position, the figure for the release of new Abrams over the past 20 years is usually given.

              The most frightening part of these fantasies is the claim that the United States is de facto forever deprived of nuclear weapons and the ability to produce them. Allegedly, homosexuality prevents the production of plutonium and especially the enrichment of uranium.
              1. +2
                13 January 2023 16: 05
                The most frightening part of these fantasies is the claim that the United States is de facto forever deprived of nuclear weapons and the ability to produce them.
                Disagree. The most frightening part of these fantasies is the idea that the US, in impotent perverted nuclear malice, will "unopposed but nuclear" attack us until 2025 (inclusive). And after a nuclear attack on us, they will land their airborne troops on Pevek (from where they will threaten us), and we, accordingly, will have to land our airborne troops on Pevek. Something like this, although some details could not be repeated exactly ...
                1. +2
                  13 January 2023 22: 10
                  Quote: Wildcat
                  The most frightening part of these fantasies is the idea that the US, in impotent perverted nuclear malice, will "alternatively, but nuclearly" attack us until 2025 (inclusive)

                  Well, this is the terminal stage of geopolitics, it's too late to operate here. It seems that it is typical for one Klimov. But hat-throwing in the most dangerous forms is very widespread - even now, which is the most surprising.
      2. -2
        12 January 2023 16: 26
        Hundreds is a completely different level of financial assistance ... because supplying even cheap and decommissioned equipment of the former Soviet bloc ... was already awesomely expensive ...
        And leopards and challengers cost 1 like 3-5 t-72 even in outdated modifications, not to mention new ones
    2. +2
      12 January 2023 14: 49
      The Stryker has a 105mm cannon on some versions.
      1. -1
        12 January 2023 16: 26
        There is a 105mm cannon, but it seems that there are not many of them even for mattresses in the region of 100 pieces and xs in what condition
        1. +1
          12 January 2023 22: 59
          There, in the Stryker brigade, there are all vehicles, except for howitzers: anti-tank systems, armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles with 30mm, with 105mm, medical, headquarters. These are rapid response brigades for airlift. I don’t remember the proportions, but it was calculated according to the type of our airborne forces. Oh, and another mortar.
      2. +3
        12 January 2023 19: 36
        Quote: Zaurbek
        The Stryker has a 105mm cannon on some versions.

        They write them off. Accordingly, they can deliver without problems.
    3. -2
      13 January 2023 15: 12
      What can 10 Challengers and 14 Leopards do, these tanks are in no way superior to our T-90Ms and even inferior to them in many respects, and they burn very well, which was confirmed by the fighting in the Middle East with the participation of these tanks, I don’t think that they will hold out for a long time and will be able to help the Armed Forces of Ukraine in some way.
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    1. +7
      12 January 2023 09: 13
      Quote from Eva Star
      Hand weapons, infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, tanks, RSO, anti-tank systems, MANPADS, artillery, air defense all this for the killing of Russian military and civilians in the Donbass. Throw in satellite reconnaissance and communications, and I'll tell you that Russia is heading for complete ass. In the near future, Russia's losses will only grow. Russia can try to stop the flow of weapons in several ways. The first way is diplomatic, it is a break in relations with European countries that supply weapons, not with France or England, but with petty dirty tricks such as the Czech Republic, Slovakia and Poland. The second method is sabotage, it means to start blowing up oil and gas pipes from Norway to Europe, so that the industry of the latter suffers losses, you can also blow up several receivers of liquefied gas. All this is very easy to do. And the last way is military, Russia still has one huge advantage. This is an opportunity to build rockets. The production of missiles in Russia should reach the highest level. Russia should return to the production of short and medium-range missiles, the warhead of these missiles is capable of carrying 2000 kg of warheads. This is more than enough to blow up a bridge, for example, and the destruction of bridges across the Dnieper will make the supply of all this equipment useless, they simply will not reach the front in the right amount. The West has been raising the level of escalation for 11 months, tanks have already begun, and earlier it was allowed to install heavy air defense. Russia has been silent all this time, and only takes blows. We can say as much as we like that Americans are homosexuals, but if someone dares to hurt the soldiers and citizens of the United States, liquidation and death await him. The United States was always ready to kill hundreds of thousands of the enemy for its own, even using nuclear weapons. And what about Russia? Europeans have already killed half a million Russians, most of whom are brainwashed, but these are more Russians, but how many Europeans died? Zero. The current government is the most miserable in history, for the first time the enemy is allowed to kill Russians without fear of consequences, and absolutely none. It's time for the government to show the eggs.

      Um, sorry, but WHAT? In other words, do you propose to unleash an open and heated conflict with NATO? I'm sorry, why? Due to the fact that OUR army was unable to fulfill the task assigned to it? We started the NWO, and it doesn’t matter whether they provoked us or decided it ourselves. If we are not able to quickly defeat the Armed Forces of Ukraine, a kind of Frankenstein from Soviet and Western standards (here, by the way, it becomes clear that NATO standards, as it is not a sadly well-developed and effective thing), how are we supposed to cope with the forces of the actually strongest military organization on the planet? And yes, what do you think China's reaction will be in the event of strikes on the energy of the European Union, if they are China's 2nd trading partner?…
    2. +6
      12 January 2023 11: 33
      Wow, what a sofa warrior you found! Everything is easy for him. And tear diplomatic relations and blow up pipelines!
      It's not as easy as in computer games.
    3. -1
      12 January 2023 13: 04
      Russia has been silent all this time, and only takes blows.

      You have a mistake, you consider your opinion to be the only correct decision, and for example, you don’t give a damn about the oligarchs whom you don’t take into account at all in the layouts. But existence is important for the oligarchs themselves, they control power and force the Kremlin to pursue policies in their interests. The people cannot influence the authorities, but the compradors can influence and pursue their interests.

      The oligarchs don't give a damn about the people, about you, about me and about Russia. This is precisely what explains the "strangeness" of the NWO, and this will continue, alas.
  3. -4
    12 January 2023 06: 13
    The British are threatening to supply the Ukronats with their Challengers ... I see that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are supplying a combined hodgepodge of equipment from all over Europe and NATO ... a real nightmare for suppliers and repairmen will be ... spare parts, repairs, maintenance, ammunition for each type of weapon require original and expiration service and quality are also different.
    In general, not everything will be so rosy for the Kyiv regime with the supply of this various equipment.
  4. -4
    12 January 2023 06: 17
    Quote from Eva Star
    how many Europeans died? Zero.

    But you don’t have to lie ... European mercenaries and volunteers are being destroyed just like the Bandera offspring on the battlefield ... scour foreign social networks ... you will find a lot of interesting things on this topic.
    1. +7
      12 January 2023 08: 23
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      scour foreign social networks ... you will find a lot of interesting things on this topic.

      )))
      No.
  5. +7
    12 January 2023 08: 38
    I was discouraged to read something ... Each section is about the same thing. The text could be halved: the meaning would not be lost, and the same thing would not have to be read ...
    1. +4
      12 January 2023 16: 24
      Taki Ryabov sad What to take from him ... request For letters they give a pretty penny
  6. +7
    12 January 2023 09: 42
    Hmm… everyone is used to the author’s bonnets, but being so lazy in the selection of information that you don’t even read the resource on which you write yourself… if Ukraine receives a Stryker, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will become the 3rd operator of these machines. Prior to that, since 2019, Strikers were delivered to Thailand, as far as I remember, to replace the Ukrainian BTR-3s ... in general, deliveries are more politically important, as the first step in mass deliveries of modern Western armored vehicles, otherwise it’s easier to exchange Ukrainian-made equipment from Thailand for American (both Thailand has enough in operation) ...
    Regarding uselessness - even without additional armor, the striker is better in all respects than the basic BTR-80 ....
  7. +5
    12 January 2023 10: 35
    Everything that is needed for the war will be delivered to Ukraine. For tanks, we are talking about 250-300 units. And there is no doubt that they will deliver.
    There were rumors that pilots were studying in America on the F-16, now there is talk that Western planes will appear there by the summer.
    Don't underestimate the enemy. Whatever you need, they will supply.
  8. +1
    12 January 2023 11: 12
    Well, according to the Strykers, it is important to understand in what configuration they will go to Ukraine: if, like Lavka in the form of a wagon for a machine gun, then this is the same MCI, But if with a turret and a full-fledged automatic cannon, then this is already more serious, but here everything will rest in the density of our troops and the availability of artillery ..
    1. +2
      12 January 2023 11: 40
      A machine gun cart is an armored personnel carrier that will take away people and equipment on itself like 2 armored personnel carriers-80/82. At the same time, it is better protected than the BTR-80/82, armor in a circle keeps close gaps from artillery and large-caliber infantry rifles.

      MRAP, this is still an overweight vehicle of high security. Which takes little landing and is generally created for another.
      1. +4
        12 January 2023 12: 11
        Stryker is a good device! Dear Author Ryabov (known for his "love" for Western technology), apparently he was looking for flaws for a long time and nothing better than:
        At the same time, the equipment did not protect the crews from all threats,

        but does not provide protection against anti-tank weapons.

        I couldn’t think of it! The question is what armored personnel carrier protects in the world?) Moreover, as the author himself wrote here, you can install KAZ, so he has a chance against RPG / ATGM in this configuration (naturally, Kaz will not go to Ukraine)
      2. -1
        12 January 2023 12: 32
        in this case, it will not have any advantages in case of detection and shelling by artillery
        1. +3
          12 January 2023 19: 35
          He will have the advantage of booking. In its complete set, it will withstand fragments of a 152 mm projectile. None of our armored personnel carriers / infantry fighting vehicles can do this.
  9. +3
    12 January 2023 17: 08
    The decision has not yet been made, but it is already clear that the results of such assistance will not meet expectations.
    So it is always so ... In the articles of Kirill Ryabov. Even the titles of the titles do not change.
  10. -2
    12 January 2023 19: 32
    Here the question is not whether 10 or 50 strikers, 10 or 40 tanks will deliver. And the fact that the 2-3 army of the world did not master the 20th. This time.
    And so far, he’s not even trying to master it very much: given the untouchability of bridges across the Dnieper, railway tracks, arrows, etc. throughout Ukraine.
    But there is a possibility that ours themselves know something and do not climb under the same "neutral" AWACS over Poland.
    What happens in the elites and not so much after the robbery and tearing apart of the economy of Europe by amers?
    There is another version that after the words of the greenery about the nuclear status of Ukraine (and the uranium mines in the yellow waters have not gone anywhere) that the Americans are helping them, and we are attacking. Let's take over Europe together.
    The question of the denazification of Ukraine against the background of I am a complete idiot should have been in 2nd place.
    1. +2
      12 January 2023 19: 51
      Quote: dfk-80
      And the fact that the 2-3 army of the world did not master the 20th.

      And what kind of 2-3 army?
      1. +2
        12 January 2023 20: 46
        Hmm, I think everything is clear, just written in numbers. And if in letters, then a simple equation "two minus three" is obtained.
  11. 0
    12 January 2023 21: 17
    what is the Stryker when the decisions on the "challengers" and "leopards" are made. that's where the "fun" is.
  12. -1
    12 January 2023 21: 57
    Whatever it was, but for Ukraine it falls from the sky. And how much will the factory smoke in Kurgan in order to "give birth" to 10 BMP3 pieces ..?
  13. 0
    13 January 2023 14: 52
    With such a variety, the ukrovermacht has only one way to advance, even if there is no benefit, where to get spare parts, where to store them, then civil chakhards with models in a calm atmosphere for cars. In a war, a fighter with spare parts may not get there. And what qualifications should there be if the Soviets are found with a Soviet engineering education, who have not yet been killed at the front.
  14. -1
    13 January 2023 18: 09
    Overweight with extra armor, the Crikers constantly burst tires. I read in some military Amerz magazine that the constant delivery of tires to the sryker brigades in Iraq ate up all the containers available to them ... And it cost a lot of money.
    Also, the Srykers are very prone to rollover.
  15. 0
    16 January 2023 05: 56

    alert( 'For leopards it has not been accepted yet, but most likely it will be accepted, and for challengers the delivery is 10 units. Unpleasant but not critical. If hundreds of them will be delivered then, of course, seriously.
    All these supplies are in the nature of creating conditions for an ongoing war. So that neither side will have an advantage and win the war.' );
  16. 0
    10 May 2023 10: 42
    In short, nothing new under the sun, from the "useless and obsolete" series. Mister. Cyril has a trademark. laughing