Pilots of the Armed Forces of Ukraine complained about Russian air-to-air missiles that complicated the flights of Ukrainian aviation

The Russian-made air-to-air missile R-37 poses a great danger to the flights of the Ukrainian military aviation and greatly complicates any air maneuvers. This is reported by the American magazine The Drive, referring to the opinion of the pilots of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

According to Ukrainian pilots, the Russian missile is "very dangerous" because it has non-standard characteristics. In particular, the R-37M missile can shoot down an enemy aircraft at a distance of up to 300 kilometers.

Missiles of this type are launched from fighter aircraft that do not leave Russian airspace. This greatly facilitates the work of the Russian Aerospace Forces, since our pilots do not put themselves at risk of being shot down by Ukrainian air defense systems. At the same time, Ukrainian aircraft are turning into easily accessible targets for Russian fighters.

According to The Drive, due to the active use of such missiles by Russian aircraft, the capabilities of the Ukrainian air force were significantly limited. After all, the pilots have to maneuver, and in this case they are actually deprived of the possibility of delivering an air strike. If the pilot does not find out about the launch of the rocket, he will be shot down with almost XNUMX% probability, Ukrainian aviation servicemen say.

Recall that the R-37 missile was developed back in the Soviet period and is still in service with the Russian Aerospace Forces. Experts call it one of the longest-range guided air-to-air missiles in the world. It is used from the MiG-31BM interceptor fighters, which are in service with the Russian Aerospace Forces.

Comments

[Nexcom]

Well, yes, that's our videoconferencing, huh? rockets are used to prevent the garrison lads from littering. From after all we what villains the?!

[Arbeiternegast]

I wonder if there is anyone else to complain about? Konashenkov, on the other hand, has already suppressed and destroyed everything and the entire Air Force xx'lov ...

[tranquil]

So after all, this is the American (USA, if anything) edition of The Drive writes, and not Konashenkov. Go there and complain

[Arbeiternegast]

You understood me wrong! Khkh'lyatskie pilots complain. And why should I complain?

[Alien From]

No planes, no problem! What are they buzzing about

[Silver99]

I don’t understand at all how the SU-25 and SU-34 of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine can withstand the SU-35 of the Russian Aerospace Forces, according to reliable rumors, the SU-57 has already participated in combat tests, from a distance of at least 100 km all targets of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are affected, well, they have no chance in air battles such as World War II. Everything will be much sadder for them. The only thing is they never know what they were doing.

[Murmur 55]

Silver99, I also can’t understand, it’s like they have the first flight, it’s the last one, as we are told, but here the opinion of the pilots of the Armed Forces of Ukraine where they scored so many kamikazes, are there really so many neo-Nazis among the flyers ???

[Silver99]

I admit that yellowmouths from schools prepared under the take-off and landing program were also called up from the reserve. And yet, I still think they have potential, I know for sure that in Vinnitsa they have what and who to fly on, here, of course, Konashenkov misled us when he announced the complete destruction of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. But I repeat, the characteristics of aviation are not comparable.

[Havoc]

Quote from Silver99

I admit that yellowmouths from schools prepared under the take-off and landing program were also called up from the reserve. And yet, I still think they have potential, I know for sure that in Vinnitsa they have what and who to fly on, here, of course, Konashenkov misled us when he announced the complete destruction of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. But I repeat, the characteristics of aviation are not comparable.

I already wrote something here, I personally knew six pilots (helicopter pilots) who at the beginning of two thousandths left for permanent residence in Ukraine. So there are a lot of retirees and not only pilots.

[svoroponov]

If they themselves did not register with the military registration and enlistment offices, and in Ukraine this registration was not kept for those who arrived from outside the borders of Ukraine, then no one will know that they are pilots, since there are no documents (personal files and flight books). And they won't do it themselves.

[SergeyB]

Quote from Silver99

here, of course, Konashenkov misled us when he announced the complete destruction of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Why do you think so?

There is Konashenkov's statement:
Almost all combat aviation of Ukraine has been destroyed.
However, Ukrainian planes fly. And in a few months, these aircraft were knocked down quite a lot, after "almost complete destruction."
Is Konashenkov lying?
No, Konashenkov is telling the truth.
At the beginning of the NWO, Ukraine had about 450 modern aircraft. But. Only about 150 aircraft were in service. It was these 150 aircraft (all combat aircraft) that were practically all destroyed.
And the rest of about 300 aircraft of Ukraine?
These are aircraft that, due to various malfunctions, were withdrawn from the state. And sent for repair or storage (until there is money to fix them). And these products, at the beginning of the NWO, were not military aircraft. But after repair (including with the help of Eastern European countries, where there were specialists and spare parts), these products could become combat aircraft.
Therefore, Konashenkov told the truth. At that time, almost all combat aviation of Ukraine was destroyed.
The fact that THEN Ukraine began to try to restore its combat aircraft by repairing existing products and importing from other countries does not change this fact.

[dmi.pris1]

I already wrote about their motivation. There are enough pilots trained there. It's all about their "patriotism turned inside out with fur." ​​They believe that they are protecting their relatives, comrades, their homeland.

[lopvlad]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

There are enough pilots trained there.

only training for one flight and not for long-term military operations according to the program (takeoff - fall) due to a meeting with Russian pilots in the sky, because Ukrainian "aces" did not win a single air duel against Russian pilots.
And their complaints are understandable because they so want to kill the civilians of Donbass and the Russian military, but here they didn’t have time to take off and are already burning out on the ground.

[Osipov9391]

Not quite.
From the side of the MiG-29 of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in March and February (mainly in the Kiev direction), Su-25 (several), Su-34 (one) and several helicopters were hit.
Something like this.
There is no other information.
And such equipment is impossible to fight off even from the MiG-29.

[And Us Rat]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

They believe that they are protecting their relatives, comrades, their homeland. This is how they were raised and trained.

It would be extremely strange if it were otherwise.
The first victory of Western propaganda is that it cut off the (Western and Ukrainian) layman from the general picture and the root causes of what is happening, focusing on the final result - the entry of the RF Armed Forces into the territory of Ukraine, presenting it as an unreasonable and unmotivated aggression.
The second victory of Western propaganda is the successful preservation of the momentum of this narrative.
Alas, 80% of people do not bother with critical thinking and are ready to simplify the picture of the world to black and white, it is especially easy when they shoot at you. The motives of the enemy are no longer of interest in principle, even if they are at least 1000 times logical and justified, the enemy is the enemy.
Remember how Berlin was taken in the 45th, for a week, having a tenfold superiority, German women and children rushed to the tanks with grenades, because "a stranger with a gun came to their house", and why they were not interested. Such are the people.

[svoroponov]

If he is trained but has not flown for several years, then commissioning and training by type of training must be started anew. And if he flew on a type that does not exist in Ukraine, then consider that you need to completely retrain.

[Pete mitchell]

They throw young people after graduation: there is a lot of desire, no experience. They pull out pensioners: there is experience, there is no way out. Without delay, they return the downed and survivors to the cabins, who turned to military hospitals - quickly back. Their civilians with experience in combat aviation are being pulled home from all over the world - of course they resist. In general, the civilians are already getting a job in Europe - an algorithm for verifying their licenses has been introduced, the Latvians were the first to fuss.
There is a shortage of pilots, and they are being sought out. But even those who were at the time of the start - well, not to compare them with the pilots of the Aerospace Forces, not the level there.
And the losses, as the uncomrade said in an interview, knocked out many, they complain in private conversations.

[Herman 4223]

Here recently one ukroletchik gave an interview, he said that the release of 2022. There were 80 people. Only a little more than 20 survived.

[Stepan S]

where did they get so many kamikaze

And there, who is asked about desire? Have you seen how the mobilization in Ukraine is going on?

[dmi.pris1]

Where did the Air Force APU Su34? "Ducklings" were never there

[expert]

Sorry, but the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine does not have SU-34s ...

[Aerodrome]

Quote from Silver99

I don’t understand at all how the SU-34 of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine can withstand the SU-35 of the Russian Aerospace Forces,

I don’t understand at all where the SU-34 comes from in Ukraine?

[dmi.pris1]

Kamrad was mistaken. He means rather Su24. By the way, we haven’t heard about them for quite some time. Neither about sorties, nor about shot down

[lopvlad]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

rather Su24. By the way, we haven’t heard about them for quite some time

the aircraft is old and quickly exhausted its resource, it is extremely vulnerable both to air defense and even to old fighters, it constantly needs an escort of escort fighters.
Dofiga minuses, but he has no pluses in the NWO.

[svoroponov]

The Su-24 is not a very old aircraft, according to its capabilities. The car is formidable with skillful piloting and the use of certain tactics. It’s just that special attention was not paid seriously there to training pilots in tactics and methods of using such boards, and there were not many experienced pilots themselves there, since there were few boards left. Many were either sold or decommissioned, or there were no spare parts and they just stood there. The raid itself is small because of all this, but it’s better not to talk about combat training on the remaining sides.

[Von_Schmidt]

What kind of skillful piloting? This is a pure front-line bomber. And not even a fighter - a bomber. He has no chance of getting away from a more or less modern fighter.

[Fat]

quote = Silver99] I don’t understand at all how the SU-25 and SU-34 of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine can withstand the SU-35 of the Russian Aerospace Forces, according to reliable rumors, the SU-57 has already participated in combat tests, from a distance of at least 100 km, all targets of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are affected, well they have no chance in air battles like the second world war. Everything will be much sadder for them. The only thing they never know is how they were worked. [/ Quote]
Does the Ukrainian Air Force have SU-34s?

[Osipov9391]

In order to hit an air target such as a fighter at a distance of more than 80-90 kilometers, this very target must not only stop in the air, but somehow begin to drift back towards the missile flying in its direction.
And be almost motionless.
That's when the probability of defeat is almost guaranteed.

In other cases, the enemy fighter pilot simply turns on the afterburner and goes home.
SPO-15 "Birch" somehow I think it works for them.

[D16]

"Birch" somehow I think it works for them.

The R-37 has an inertial guidance system with radio correction. So when the SPO yells, it's time to eject, because ARLGSN try to turn on as close to the enemy aircraft as possible.

[svoroponov]

Brad do not carry. The missile will hit you both on the oncoming and sideways and on the catch-up, if you are in the zone of its effective range. Compare the speed of the rocket and fighters, and even more so the bombers of Ukraine. Moreover, keep in mind that they do not fly at maximum speeds, near the ground their maximum speeds are even much more modest than at altitude. and make up from speed at an altitude somewhere only 50 and up to 70 (at best) percent.
Well, the so-called tail protection stations will, of course, warn you about the approach of a rocket (but not any), and then only your level of training can save you - endurance, knowledge of the capabilities of your aircraft and skill. And the afterburner sometimes does not help, but harms the escape from the rocket.

[Il'nur]

SU-34

You probably wanted to write the SU-24, the SU-34, nicknamed the "duckling", is only in service with Russia ...

[spyder100]

There is no Su-34 in the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and never has been. This, probably, is also from "reliable rumors" - a very "reliable" source of information. Ukrainian letaks do not oppose anyone, but are used on the principle of "shot - ran away." Some even succeed.

[Roman_vh]

Yes, I think it's a typo. It was about the SU-24 most likely.

[Leon68]

Correct the mistake. The Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has never included the SU-34. SU-24, SU-25 and SU-27 + MIG-29 and Lki.

[Igor K]

Well, you’re in vain, they have su-25, su-24, su-27 and mig-29. What was not before the SVU, the Ukrainians received after from the countries of the West.

[Igor K]

Thank God there is no Su-34 in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, you probably made a typo.

[Rusticolus]

I don’t understand at all how the SU-25 and SU-34 of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine can withstand the SU-35 of the Russian Aerospace Forces

Actually, the Air Force does not have the Su-34 and never has. As for the article, the confrontation is not with the Su-35, but with the MiG-31. What is even more difficult for the Armed Forces. For the MiG-31, with political will, may well strain NATO AWACS aircraft.

[insafufa]

Quote from Silver99

SU-34 VVS APU

Su - 34 is in service with the Russian Air Force and they are not in the Armed Forces of Ukraine
They only had SU - 24 inheritance from the USSR

[mag nit]

It's not about rockets. Born to crawl, he cannot fly.

[Roman_vh]

No, not like that. Born to jump, should not fly.

[Leshak]

According to Ukrainian pilots

We must strive to ensure that there is no one to approve. Ukrainian pilots (like planes) must end with the word at all.

[Maks winter]

yes, there are no pilots, or pilots, ready to sit at the helm in the “crazy farm”, already knowing in advance that this is a one-way ticket. the article, of course, was reprinted from some kind of UkroSMI, and it is designed, rather, for a European audience ...

[Hagakure]

It turns out that the Armed Forces of Ukraine also have them, since they were created in the USSR?

[Osipov9391]

All modifications of the R-27 and possibly the R-73 were made in Kyiv at the Artem plant, including for Russia until 2014.
The heads were also made in Kyiv, sort of like at the Radar factory.
And these missiles were supplied to many countries of the world by Ukraine.

In addition, in the mid-90s, documentation for the production of
missiles R-77 RVV-AE in the basic version.
But the characteristics did not suit the military and abandoned it.
And so the documentation and equipment is probably stored there.

[svoroponov]

There is no R-77 on the rocket. Now a new missile has been adopted. It was developed and created recently and has nothing to do with Ukraine. The pilot of Ukraine, who gave an interview, obviously simply does not know about her and calls the one he knows about.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Hagakure

It turns out that the Armed Forces of Ukraine also have them, since they were created in the USSR?

From what fright? The R-37 missile is designed for the MiG-31! The "independent" Krajina does not have MiG-31BM interceptors ... and they began to enter service with the R-37 already in the post-Soviet period! According to some statements, the R-37M is also used in the SVO, which can be used not only by the MiG-31BM, but also by the Su-35S and Su-57 ...!

[Herman 4223]

They may have R-33s. Also a long-range missile, the latest modifications can hit targets up to 300 km. The only question is whether they have any number of MiG-31s ​​of at least old modifications.

[futurohunter]

Herman 4223
The only question is whether they have any amount of MiG-31

MiG-31, except for Russia, is only in Kazakhstan, and maybe in Belarus. But MiG-25s with R-40 missiles remained in Ukraine. Although they seem to have written off all of them, but I'm not sure about it. In addition, Azerbaijan had MiG-25s and were supplied to the Middle East. Although there were no reports of the use of the MiG-25 and R-40 missiles in Ukraine

[Dost]

Their only carrier was the MiG-31, Now the Su-57 has been added, Perhaps adapted to the Su-35

[garik77]

Wow .... Chevoyta they just now complained? Haven't they been knocked down before?

[Maks1995]

And earlier they wrote that the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is generally disposable, and generally ended.
And then just "complicated flights" ...
Any rocket, in fact, "complicates" something ...

[Chronos]

Still, military aircraft would not be punished for downed litaks without agreement with the command post

[Mikhail Maslov]

I wonder if the Armed Forces of Ukraine fly? And planes and helicopters. An article without facts and examples is on the verge of a fake. It is precisely known that the planes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine have been flying since the beginning of the war, and they are flying, in fact, the day before yesterday it was shot down in the amount of 5 hogs (if you again believe MO). The question is how our Air Force patrols or how the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine can generally take off in such conditions.

[bk316]

The Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine can generally take off in such conditions.

What is the question?
They take off from airfields in western Ukraine. If there is not enough radius, jump airfields in central Ukraine can be used. This is more than 300 km from the front line. Further to the minimum height, they are not visible by ground means, and the patrol is so lucky.
And the allies are pushing their planes.
If we had about 5 AWACS constantly in the air, no one would have returned, and so the lottery. But sooner or later they will run out.

[Osipov9391]

Apart from a few "Rooks" from North Macedonia and perhaps a few more from Bulgaria, no one has yet given them anything.
And hypothetically, several dozen MiG-29s from Poland and Slovakia and a dozen or two Su-25s from Bulgaria and other countries can be transferred to them from Soviet aircraft.
That's all.
There is nothing else on this profile there and never will be.

And I repeat once again, the Su-27 and Su-24 have never been delivered to European countries. They are not and never were. There is nowhere to take.

[Herman 4223]

But in Ukraine, they are and were. And they got 27 Su-70s. Su-24 there is a figure for a hundred of what they got. Parts are adjusted to them, they return the planes to service, that's all. So do not cast a shadow on the wattle fence.

[Osipov9391]

And no one is suggesting anything.
There could be under a hundred Su-25 donors there.
In the summer, many actively restored. from several they collected one, for example, and so on in everything.
I meant that the Ukrainian planes were not even close to running out.

[futurohunter]

Osipov9391

Su-24s have never been delivered to European countries

But they were delivered to other countries, for example, Libya and Iraq. Could deliver from there

[svoroponov]

They admit that mishandled aircraft from our enemies were used. And they are restoring something for the conduct of hostilities from spare parts from the enemies of Russia reopened at the expense of the same. Well, probably part of the boards from the beginning of hostilities were able to withdraw from under attack. The Americans helped, they began to print and pump about the attack in six months. The smart ones, just in case, drew conclusions and dispersed the equipment.

[Magellan]

complained about complicating the flights of Ukrainian aviation

It's amazing that "show forces" even exist at all.

[Osipov9391]

What is surprising here?
This is not Georgia or Estonia. And not the Vatican.
The territory of the country is very impressive in size.
Most of the aircraft of the Armed Forces of Ukraine moved to neighboring countries about a year ago
or settled in hangars in Western Ukraine.
They fly from highways, abandoned airfields and civilian airports.

[Joker62]

Quote from Silver99

I don’t understand at all how the SU-25 and SU-34 of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine can withstand the SU-35 of the Russian Aerospace Forces

Buddy!
Where did the ukroreykha get the Su-34 car ???
APU has Su-24, but no Su-34!
Write and read carefully what you wrote, only then send your comments to the discussion to the public.

[Osipov9391]

Specifically on the topic.
All the victories (there are dozens of such victories) of our Su-35S and Su-30SM in air battles over the fighters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine
due to only three things:
1. The use of R-77 missiles with active guidance, giving a great advantage;
2. The use of more modern radars that allow you to find the enemy in advance;
3. Higher training of Russian pilots for air combat.

And that's it. And nothing more.
In close combat, the capabilities of our fighters are approximately the same as those of the Ukrainian Su-27 and MiG-29.
Identical R-73 missiles and cannon weapons.
The same helmet-mounted target designation systems Shchel and Sura.
Approximately the same maneuverability.

[futurohunter]

Osipov9391
In close combat, the capabilities of our fighters are approximately the same as those of the Ukrainian

I think, due to the small number of Ukrainian aircraft flying, our fighters do not engage in close air battles with them. At least I have not seen such messages

[Osipov9391]

Regarding the use of R-37 missiles from MiG-31 fighters against aircraft of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, then there are probably only a few such cases in all 11 months.
Simply due to the fact that these fighters are very rarely involved and due to the fact that this missile is not designed to solve the tasks there.
She has a completely different mission.
Such as: the defeat of transport aircraft and strategic bombers at an effective distance of up to 200 km and beyond;
The defeat of cruise missiles at a distance of up to 100-150 km;
The defeat of reconnaissance aircraft at a distance of up to 200 km.
That's all.

R-37s are not designed to destroy fighters. That's not what it was designed for.
Simply because it is very difficult to get a supersonic aircraft from a distance of more than 80-90 km.
Unless his pilot does not look at the SPO at all.

[Cympak]

RVV-BD or R-37M missiles are used in the SVO, incl. with Su-35S.

https://t.me/bmpd_cast/13565
https://t.me/milinfolive/93698

[Osipov9391]

So what ? The effectiveness of its use will be lower than with the MiG-31, because there are other radar capabilities.
But besides, the MiG-31 has a higher speed / ceiling than the Su-35S, which means it can lift such weapons higher and accelerate better in speed.

At one time, the designer Babak hung the R-77 on the Su-39 attack aircraft.
It turned out like nothing.
Only the range of destruction of air targets there, according to calculations, barely reached
40 km.
Since the maximum speed is 980 km / h and the maximum ceiling is 12000 meters
no other possibilities were given to this rocket.
The radar generally hung in the ventral container and did not give out more power.

[My name]

What other pilots does Ukraine have? A couple of three suicides or what?

[Osipov9391]

There are plenty of them. Only probably already in the age of most.
In Soviet times, there was also the Chernihiv VVAUL, which was closed back in the 90s.
Kharkiv Air Force University and others.

The Ukrainians also retained the pilots and technical staff of such aircraft as the Tu-160 and Tu-22M3 that served in Priluki and did not want to move to Russia.

[Nordsc0l]

Only Tu 22, Tu 160, Tu 95, they already had 20 years ago. And no one will be able to give them to them, because no one except the Russian Federation has them in principle.

[Osipov9391]

I indirectly know that Ukraine kept several Tu-95MS or Tu-142 in flight condition as flying laboratories and they were based somewhere in the Nikolaev region.
I don’t know what’s next, maybe they took it apart, or maybe they gave it to museums. But they are not combat-ready.

And so the United States has a dozen and a half or two B-1Bs in storage.
If only they were transferred, although the Americans themselves probably keep them for spare parts.

[Maxim G]

In YouTube on the channel "The Boy in the Mask" there is a detailed review of the Air Force of Ukraine in 3 parts.

[futurohunter]

I suppose that quite a few pilots who were once trained in Ukraine flew as mercenaries in other countries. Now they are being repurchased and returned. Yes, and from the countries of the former Warsaw Pact, and other countries where there is Soviet aircraft, I think they also buy

[Dizel200]

Long range? This is right? Maybe long-range, although maybe I'm wrong.

[Fonmeg]

Did these hoopoes complain to the UN? What did you want? So that the Russian Armed Forces would fire safe missiles at them?

[hellcos]

This explains the increased number of downed aircraft of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near Konashenkov, now I believe

[agoran]

On one of the TG channels there was an ifa that yesterday a Su-57 overwhelmed a Sumerian Su-27 in the Sumy region.

[Konnick]

Pilots of the Armed Forces of Ukraine complained about Russian air-to-air missiles that complicated the flights of Ukrainian aviation

Recall that the R-37 missile was developed back in Soviet period and is still in service with the Russian Aerospace Forces. Experts call it one of the longest-range guided air-to-air missiles in the world.

I am proud of the country in which I was born.

[futurohunter]

I think that for Ukrainian aviation they work not only with expensive and complex R-37s, but also with simpler and more massive R-27s and R-73s. No need to spend such valuable missiles on every Su-25 or MiG-29

[mlkhail perlov]

Glory to the USSR! Now they wouldn’t kill others if the USSR could save ....

[faterdom]

Right now, WADA will ban our pilots from flying with such missiles, because this is doping, definitely. Steroids.
And we vada for zhto denyuzhku pay.

[acetophenone]

It's just a pity that KonashenkoTV tells us what it wants to report, and not what matters. Here's your opinion: does it matter how many planes were shot down? In my opinion - no. Because they are no longer there. (I'm bracketing the possibility of just lying. I'm not discussing that.) So. This only matters for award sheets. For those who shot down.
What matters is how much is left. Combat-ready. But this is not being told to us.
Well, since this brethren tells me not about what I want to know, but about what they themselves want to say, then what? That's right, as advertising agents, sectarian preachers, etc. riffraff, these are also simply ignored.

[Alex242]

Quote: Arbeiternegast

I wonder if there is anyone else to complain about? Konashenkov, on the other hand, has already suppressed and destroyed everything and the entire Air Force xx'lov ...

Well, it looks like someone hasn't been hit yet....

[zenion]

There is advice to the Ukrainians. Quickly, like a dove, fall to the ground and cuddle.

[Pavel57]

The R-37 missile was not in service, there is a R-37M missile. Differences in the structure of the CGS and the principles of guidance. A range of 300 km may only make sense when firing at AWACS aircraft.

The main problem for Ukrainian aviation is the R-77 missile.

[Darkness]

So this is .... against whom is the rocket? The Ukrainian Air Force has long since ended. And three times already)

[savage3000]

r-37 was really not in the troops. no one produced it and did not put it on planes. MiG-31 always flew with R-33.