Turkey postpones the first flight of the fifth generation fighter TF-X to an earlier date

The first flight of the fifth-generation Turkish fighter, scheduled for 2025, has been postponed, but not to a longer, but to an earlier date. It will take place at the end of 2023, Temel Kotil, CEO of Türk Havacılık ve Uzay Sanayii (TUSAŞ), told CNN Türk.

According to the top manager, TUSAŞ engineers are now testing the aircraft's main systems. Once all tests are completed, the aircraft will be ready for the first flight.

A promising Turkish-made aircraft should replace the fourth-generation American-made F-16 fighters in the Turkish Air Force. Interestingly, back in November 2022, the American edition of The Drive predicted serious problems in the implementation of the Turkish Fighter (TF-X) fighter program.

Recall that Turkey is actively developing a program to create its own fifth-generation fighter. If it is implemented successfully and the aircraft enters serial production, this will be a colossal achievement for the country, given that not all economically developed states create their own fifth-generation aircraft.

The TF-X aircraft, with the optimal development of events, is planned to be handed over to the Turkish Air Force as early as 2029. In July 2022, the Department of Defense Industry announced a competition to develop an engine for the aircraft. Most likely, he will receive the American power plant General Electric F110.

Recall that earlier a number of experts predicted that due to a special military operation that drains the resources of the Russian military industry, the Turkish military-industrial complex may begin to develop the markets of Asian and African countries.

Comments

[Argon]

It seems to me alone that this 5th generation is the same in form for everyone?

[Machito]

Quote: Argon

It seems to me alone that this 5th generation is the same in form for everyone?

Not only in form. The engines are American, not Turkish.
I'm not at all sure that this is the 5th generation. But it sounds nice.
As you call the yacht, so it will float. (C) Captain Vrungel.

[TermNachTer]

How is an aircraft with a 3rd generation engine classified?))) You can even call it the 6th generation, but the engine will remain a 3rd generation engine.

[Victor_B]

Quote: Argon

It seems to me alone that this 5th generation is the same in form for everyone?

The laws of aerodynamics are the same for everyone.
Well, no one canceled the borrowing of successful solutions.

[chebman]

And some, like the Turks in this case, even have similar layouts!

[Orange Bigg]

In July 2022, the Department of Defense Industry announced a competition to develop an engine for the aircraft. Most likely, he will receive the American power plant General Electric F110.

An engine from the sponsors of the Kurdistan Workers' Party? This completely resets the entire project. Because the Turks will beg for these engines from the Americans, just as they have been begging for Patriot and the last couple of years for a new batch of F-16 for many years. The key component of the fighter engine, as I understand it, the Turks do not even they started to manufacture. Only last year they announced a competition for the engine. Not seriously.

[Andrey Moskvin]

A Turkish, unparalleled miracle - the timing is shifting to the left.

[donavi49]

They work there. Here you have from a recent report, a modernized Phantomchik, according to the ASP - VKS with its glide bombs welded in garages, just a Paleolithic.

And yes - these are not American prodigies, but Turkish ones:
Teber 81 - body kit of a standard cast-iron in a controlled
KGK - standard cast iron planning body kit for a range of up to 80 km.

Compare to garage level forging

KR Som - 250 km range.
Ciritis is when, instead of Cabrating somewhere to the side, you can humanly shoot back with correction and put packages of NARs in a conditional dugout.

[Johnson Smithson]

Compare to garage level forging

at the parade, the first looks beautiful, but for war, the simpler the better

Russian weapons have always been distinguished by the fact that they are simple, unpretentious and can be repaired in the field, this is its advantage, not a minus
and therefore Kalash is the most massive machine gun in the world

and our planes and attack helicopters are designed for hangar-free service in the field, while the US ones require hangar storage and their maintenance is an order of magnitude more complicated and expensive,

the Turks here follow the path of the states, they do it expensively and richly, but in the end they will do little, because they don’t have money like the states, and in a real war they will quickly run out of high-precision bombs,
in a real war, it will not be the appearance that will decide, but how many they can make and how quickly, and with beautiful but expensive bombs, there will be a plug

[donavi49]

It's the opposite here. Kuzmichevanie in the negative - Petrovich pulled the thrust and the wing did not work out = the bomb fell tumbling, well, if not on his own head. A clamp bought on the market froze at a height and burst under load = the bomb fell and it’s good if not on your own head. They didn’t squeeze the clamp - and vibrations began in flight, which again will lead to the fact that the bomb fell and it’s good, if not on its own head.

In ASP, it is just standardization and factory production that decides. Otherwise, the percentage of marriage grows exponentially, with each manual operation by eye.

[Johnson Smithson]

These are your personal fantasies, the design is made in such a way that nothing can be dragged there.
For example, all Ka-52s are serviced in the field and for some reason the "kuzmichi" do not drag anything there and they do not fall)
Whereas the states and the Turks cannot service helicopters in the field.

[APASUS]

In July 2022, the Department of Defense Industry announced a competition to develop an engine for the aircraft. Most likely, he will receive the American power plant General Electric F110.

And where is the guarantee that at one of the main stages General Electric will not refuse to supply engines to Turkey? In today's world, guarantees don't work

[cold wind]

For engines, they work with RR. An American engine is being considered for the first prototypes. The Americans and the British will refuse, they will buy from the Russian Federation or China. Their developments are also on the way.

[chebman]

What kind of own developments can the Turks have on the way, if even China is still not able to compete in engines even with Russia, with their economic power and decades spent on R&D ??

[chebman]

How to cut an ultra-modern aircraft from one engine to another is also not a matter of three days.

[Negro]

Quote from cold wind

The Americans and the British will refuse, they will buy from the Russian Federation or China. Their developments are also on the way.

Modern engines can be made by two countries and two companies. Rolls-Royce and Pratt-Whitney. Even GE is no longer particularly exported.

[APASUS]

Quote from cold wind

. The Americans and the British will refuse, they will buy from the Russian Federation or China.

I’m watching the queue from the manufacturers, and replacing the General Electric F110 with another is a waste of time

[TermNachTer]

Quite possible. The Turks tried to make their own engine with the help of Rolls-Royce. But there are the same problems.

[Aviator_]

Do they want to be in time for the holiday (100 years) of the formation of Kemalev Turkey? Making it for the holidays is a bad idea.

[rotmistr60]

postponed, but not to a more distant, but to an earlier date.

And where is Turkey in such a hurry? What world events are he planning and against whom? If necessary, Greece can cope with the available funds. There is no need to suppress the Kurds in a 5th generation aircraft ... So the first thing is the prestige of the country?

[Vladimir80]

They are in a hurry to start trading with them - to sell khokh.lam and other Papuans

[chebman]

Ukrainians and other Papuans will not pull such price tags, they will receive mirages and flu from the master's shoulder for happiness.
It is rather designed for the militant Eastern Europeans, with a good combination of circumstances, for the Middle Eastern monarchies.

[Kaufman]

I did not understand right away, I was confused. How can I move this forward? What's the approach? Here we are used to the fact that the graph always shifts to the right! Never anything ahead of time! Take the same Kuzya!

[Tagan]

Quote: kaufman

I did not understand right away, I was confused. How can I move this forward? What's the approach? Here we are used to the fact that the graph always shifts to the right! Never anything ahead of time! Take the same Kuzya!

It was smooth on paper, but they forgot about the ravines. This is just an intention, not a fait accompli.

[Zaurbek]

In their place, I was licensed by a South Korean aircraft ..... with its own specifics and localization. The only thing is that you need to look suspiciously at the turbojet engine.

[donavi49]

Korea has a lot of its own Korean, or American, or American modified by Koreans there.

Turkey focuses more on European cooperation and its own. They work very closely with Leonardo on avionics and radar. And in general, for the status, they wanted their own plane, they do it.

Also in Korean, the first years are painted there both for themselves and for Indonesia, which joined the project. The Turks would have been just a customer.

[donavi49]

The first pilot in the shop. They may well raise by the end of 23-beginning of 24.

[svp67]

Most likely, he will receive the American power plant General Electric F110.

But not a fact ... Americans do not like competitors

[Subtext]

Well done Turks. Although, one drawback catches the eye, the rivets are invisible, as on our (!)