Kalash and cannons in exchange for the Solntsedar from Algeria

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Kalash and cannons in exchange for the Solntsedar from Algeria


Twenty degrees "in the shade"


Fortified wine "Solntsedar" was one of the Soviet memes. Solntsedar is a very small village near Gelendzhik. Since this is a wine-growing region, many people naively thought that this poison was made from wine material from local vineyards. However, they were gravely mistaken.



"Solntsedar" was indeed produced at a local winery, but the raw materials for it were supplied from Algeria. By barter in exchange for weapons and infrastructure, because Algeria, as you know, achieved independence from France in 1962 and immediately found itself among the candidates for joining the socialist camp.

In the USSR at that time, Nikita Khrushchev ruled, who, for his constant trips to third world countries, was called "Nikita the Traveler" (this is in addition to the more famous nickname "Nikita Kukuruznik"). Khrushchev at one time did not disdain to communicate even with Gamal Abdel Nasser, who had a portrait of Hitler in his office, and with the cannibal Jean Bokassa.

But the position of the USSR on Algeria was clear not only for this reason. Even during the war for independence, the USSR actively supported the Algerian rebels at the level of rhetoric, it is possible that weapon also supplied them. Upon achieving independence, the USSR sent its specialists to Algeria to clear mine territories, mainly bordering with Tunisia.

The French military on this occasion publicly expressed that they consider this a deadly recklessness. But the Soviet sappers escaped with only one dead directly during mine clearance, the rest died from diseases and wounds received in skirmishes with the radicals who were already gaining strength at that time. Even then, for demining, the USSR supplied Algeria with a large amount of sapper equipment and military equipment.


Under Khrushchev, as well as later under Brezhnev, the financing of the military power and infrastructure of the “fraternal countries” was carried out mainly for geopolitical purposes. The exceptions were Cuba and Algeria. The first supplied the USSR with cane sugar, rum, Havana cigars, etc. A special situation developed with Algeria, especially since they started talking about “socialism without communists”.

Not the raw material


During the years of French rule, the colony was used as a source of raw materials. Including as a source of agricultural products. The French quickly realized that the lands adjacent to the Mediterranean Sea could be used to grow Merlot and Cabernet grapes.

Due to cheap labor and the fertility of the territory, it turned out to be more profitable to supply budget wine material from Algeria than from French vineyards. After Algeria achieved independence, French purchases ceased.

Algeria found itself in a difficult situation. The internal demand for alcohol, due to the repatriation of Christians to France, turned out to be small: at that time, if local Muslims drank alcohol, then secretly, so that no one would see.

And then the USSR came to the rescue. Upon learning that during mine clearance a huge amount of fabulously cheap wine material had accumulated in the warehouses, Nikita Sergeevich agreed that Algeria would pay for military assistance, equipment and labor of Soviet specialists with this raw material.


At first, cheap dry wine called "Algerian" was supplied from Algeria. The look of the bottles was very attractive: a label with an oriental beauty, a lead cork, inscriptions in Arabic and French.

But the quality did not suit the Soviet consumer: the part of the population that did not suffer from alcoholism, brought up on Crimean and Kuban wines, after tasting it a couple of times, did not buy it again. Well, the marginal strata of society were focused on the fact that the wine quickly “inserted”, because “sourness” was not to their taste.

Thank you, Comrade Shmurdyak


Then the Soviet wine industry decided to stop buying ready-made wines, and create a product from Algerian wine material that is focused specifically on the “target audience”. Rumor has it that the word “shmurdyak”, which is still common among the people, denoting cheap wine, comes from the name of the Kabardino-Balkarian technologist Dmitry Shmurdyak.

It is believed that it was he who allegedly stood at the origins of the creation of a new product. But there is no documentary evidence of this. As a result, fortified wine Solntsedar soon appeared on the shelves of wine stores.

It was made, sorry for the repetition, from the wine material supplied from Algeria to Novorossiysk by tankers. Further, the wine was fortified with sugar and inexpensive rectified alcohol to the condition desired by the people.

In order to reduce the cost of the process and not waste gasoline on transportation, since, as you know, there is no railway line to Gelendzhik, a wine pipeline was even built. From Novorossiysk port directly to Solntsedar. Cheap twenty-degree poison was produced until the anti-alcohol campaign.

The initiative to stop the supply of wine material from Algeria did not come from the latter, but from the USSR: the Kremlin realized that this “drink” was the cause of numerous poisonings. However, military-technical cooperation between the USSR (and then Russia) and Algeria did not stop.


Now Russia is still the largest supplier of weapons to Algeria. But after the cessation of production of Solntsedar, although some goods from this country are still delivered to Russia, the authorities of modern Russia are forced only to write off her debts.

Nuclear strike called "Solntsedar"


And all this is solely for geopolitical purposes: if only there were no color revolutions, if only NATO did not come there. It should be noted that already in the eighties, just when the question of removing the Solntsedar from production was raised, the work of Soviet specialists in Algeria became extremely unsafe.

This happened because of the galloping spread of Islamic fundamentalism. On the part of the Algerian regular army, the security of those sent from the USSR was extremely poor, the soldiers fell asleep at the post, etc. Therefore, it is possible that the purchase of wine materials stopped precisely because of discussions about the advisability of such cooperation.

Indeed, military cooperation was interrupted in fact until 2006, and not at all for reasons of preserving the health of the Soviet people. At the moment, despite a certain tendency towards nostalgia for everything Soviet, the official regulators of the alcohol market consider Solntsedar to be a surrogate.

In 2011, Rospatent refused to re-register this trademark for this very reason. In this connection, the resumption of supplies of Algerian wine material to Russia, even against the backdrop of European sanctions, is not to be expected.

Today, among serious winemakers, it has an extremely low reputation, caused precisely by its use for the production of Soviet "mumble". There are no Algerian wines on the Russian market, respectively. And now the country buys weapons from Russia for money, although Russia had to write off the old debt, and quite profitably.
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  1. +13
    11 January 2023 06: 12
    I remember "sunflower", they used it with classmates in the 10th grade, in the 79th. it was deadly weight. ! feel
    1. +11
      11 January 2023 11: 05
      Quote: Aerodrome
      I remember "sunflower", they used it with classmates in the 10th grade, in the 79th. it was deadly weight. ! feel
      Then there was another rhyme: "I wake up early in the morning, Solntsedar flows from the tap"
      1. 0
        22 March 2023 22: 42
        I wake up early in the morning - no Luis Corvalan. Here it is, here it is - Pinachetov's junta! = That's more correct.
        How much we drank it - "Solntsedar" as a student-and-and !!!!! And "Fruit-profitable"? ... And in the morning to the toilet ... No, exotic. Today's youth cannot understand how not to feel the taste of Wormwood Tincture, Dubnyak, Belomor cigarettes with a canal and Flame of Revolution matches, Pamir cigarettes (Beggar in the mountains), Ligiros, Sever cigarettes. who smokes north .... So port "777" = it's better than "Solntsedar"
    2. +7
      11 January 2023 13: 09
      "Don't waste your time - have a hangover with Solntsedar." What a mess is ours....
  2. +35
    11 January 2023 06: 44
    The authors did not explain why wine materials from Algeria were good for the French, but bad for the USSR. Who has crooked hands?
    1. +18
      11 January 2023 07: 01
      for the French, wine materials from Algeria were good, but for the USSR they were bad.

      The authors are not at all in the subject, what percentage of the consumption of dry and fortified wine was in the USSR and in the World in the 60s and now? For example. How has the process of consumption of dry and fortified foods changed, what trends, etc.
      No. The main thing is that the wine material was exchanged for Kalashnikovs, and the current rulers of the poor fellows still have to write off their debts ...
      1. +10
        11 January 2023 07: 34
        The authors are completely off topic.
        Yes, they would write about something about one thing, drag Nasser, Bokassa .. How Khrushchev kissed them .. About Nasser, they remembered the portrait of Hitler, and mentioned that under Nasser, the Communist Party of Egypt was slaughtered, in the truest sense of the word ..
        1. +8
          11 January 2023 08: 16
          About Nasser, they remembered the portrait of Hitler, and mentioned that under Nasser, the Communist Party of Egypt was slaughtered, in the truest sense of the word ..
          This is Africa, and the customs there are African. The same Gaddafi massacred the Communist Party of Libya at the time. However, what exactly it was, this Communist Party, no one will remember.
          1. +4
            11 January 2023 09: 44
            This is Africa, and the customs there are African
            They were slaughtered in Syria, Iraq, Iran .. In Syria, at the same time as in Egypt, when Syria and Egypt united in the UAR, under Nasser ..
    2. +6
      11 January 2023 15: 04
      Oddly enough, purely historically in ancient times, wine was produced there, one of the best in the world at that time, precisely on the territory of Algeria.
      1. -2
        12 January 2023 20: 42
        If only "purely historically." I have not tried it (therefore, for the best in the world, especially at that time I will not say), because from a "purely historical" t.z. my story will be even shorter than my life, I do not remember myself in infancy. Well, for the "extraordinary", for the road - for the demanding.
    3. +6
      11 January 2023 18: 09
      Quote: smart fellow
      At the moment, despite a certain tendency towards nostalgia for everything Soviet, the official regulators of the alcohol market consider Solntsedar to be a surrogate.

      Well, if you dilute the wine material with cheap alcohol, then you get poison. Yes, you can also carry it by tanker, collecting dirt along the way
    4. +6
      11 January 2023 21: 15
      Quote: smart fellow
      The authors did not explain why wine materials from Algeria were good for the French, but bad for the USSR. Who has crooked hands?

      Algerian dry was actually G! I grew up in Sevastopol, where there was a decent dry wine for a penny. So a bottle of 0,5 dry ordinary Table wine cost 62 kopecks ... And it was a very decent real dry grape white wine .. They took six pieces with them to the sea for three .. Beauty! Three seventy and plus pve packs of Cuban partagas cigarettes ... Four rubles for three ... What they didn’t appreciate ...
      1. +8
        12 January 2023 10: 19
        Well, Yuri, after Partagas, there are no more questions, we called these products death under sail and somehow they smoked, but not so many would. There were also cigarettes in the Caribbean - the death of an Indian.
        1. +2
          12 January 2023 15: 41
          Quote: saigon
          smoked only not so that many would.

          We also coughed more than we smoked. But show off! The show-offs were...
          1. 0
            15 January 2023 12: 00
            We smoked "Reis" for 15 kopecks, they were long and the paper was sweet, this is not "News" for you ...
    5. +5
      12 January 2023 10: 03
      The authors did not explain a lot .... But this is such a trend now, why should readers explain? Let them read....
      And then all of a sudden you explain something wrong?) Or readers will take it and explain that the author only heard about the topic .... Nope .... Well, he’s in the stump wink
  3. +17
    11 January 2023 06: 57
    Do you remember the Soviet "Solntsedar"?
    0,75-fire extinguisher.
    It does not contain Pinot Noir grapes.
    It contained alcohol, sugar and dye.
    1. +10
      11 January 2023 07: 51
      In addition to "fire extinguishers" "Solnedar" was poured into three-liter cans, and even into 200-liter metal barrels. Wine was poured from a barrel with a hose into a bucket, and then bottled with a funnel, this already happened in the store.
      1. +1
        13 January 2023 00: 47
        I don’t remember about 200 liter barrels drinks
  4. +12
    11 January 2023 07: 29
    Solntsedar, I remember, only from the film "Magicians", mentions a self-collecting tablecloth in the list, wine .. But they didn’t drink it with us, the town, it was a private sector mainly, even in the courtyards of five-story buildings, at the entrances, there were grape arbors, and even more so among private traders, everyone made wine, their own, homemade, they traded .. it was not equated to moonshine, a liter cost 50 kopecks .. 3 liters, 1 ruble 50 .. Such homemade, drank easily, but carried well .. Light, they did on grapes and sugar, heavier, on sugar and yeast ... So they didn’t take this crap from us especially .. expensive ..
    1. +16
      11 January 2023 08: 23
      So it is ... I remember in the Cossack and Chechen villages, where we flew as a crew to pollinate the fields, on holidays there were stools with cans of wine, a glass and a saucer for coins at the gates of the yards. And there was no one. Who could throw coins and drink. And who could not drink like that. There was such a time...
      1. +1
        13 January 2023 23: 35
        .... at the gates of the yards there were stools with cans of wine, a glass and a saucer for coins. And there was no one. Who could throw coins and drink. And who could not drink like that. There was such a time...
        good They lived under communism ... and did not appreciate it!
  5. +9
    11 January 2023 07: 43
    The next article will be about the Cuban rum "Negro"?
    1. +4
      11 January 2023 08: 26
      In Sital-Chai, where I served, there was Kanya, also Cuban rum ... That poison! But there was nothing else...
      1. +4
        11 January 2023 09: 13
        According to the recollections of the elders, there was a time when Cuban rum was the only strong alcoholic drink in city stores. They even removed the vodka!
        Or apple worm or Cuban rum.
        I myself have already "caught" the dominance of "Ginseng tincture". It was in bulk, and there was a minimum of other drinks.
        And where did so much ginseng suddenly come from in the Black Earth region that it was used for alcoholic tinctures.
        1. +11
          11 January 2023 11: 01
          If I'm not mistaken, in the mid-80s, in Khabarovsk, we had a shaft of Cuban cigarettes "Prtogaz", "Ligeros" and Vietnamese .. with a yellow bird .. smelly old age was, the people called it "Ho Chi Minh's Socks")))
          1. +5
            11 January 2023 11: 10
            Quote: Andrey VOV
            the shaft was Cuban cigarettes "Prtogaz"

            The muck was incredible, just horror, it was impossible to smoke them, even if you really wanted to.
            1. +1
              11 January 2023 11: 14
              Yes, that’s for sure ... I remember dragging on and it’s already dark in my eyes, neither inhale nor exhale ... brrr
          2. +3
            11 January 2023 11: 57
            They were called "contraceptives" (Partogas and Ligeros are also Reis) belay
            1. +5
              11 January 2023 13: 14
              Eh, there was a time and, most importantly, health, to smoke a Reis cigarette without a fatal outcome ...
            2. +6
              11 January 2023 13: 20
              They were called "contraceptives" (Partogas and Ligeros are also Reis)
              There were also Cuban Montecristos, with and without a filter. Without a filter at all hardcore))
          3. +3
            11 January 2023 13: 18
            there was a shaft of Cuban cigarettes "Prtogaz", "Ligueros" and Vietnamese .. with a yellow bird .. smelly old were
            And there were also North Korean ones, "Kumsudee" were called, their ashes were gently emerald))
          4. +2
            12 January 2023 14: 47
            EMNIP, with a yellow bird, the cigarettes were North Korean, not Vietnamese. In backgammon they were called - "bird". The people smoked them only when there was nothing left but bulls.
        2. -1
          13 January 2023 23: 39
          According to the recollections of the elders, there was a time when Cuban rum was the only strong alcoholic drink in city stores. They even removed the vodka!
          Or apple worm or Cuban rum.
          What time is this? wink
    2. +4
      12 January 2023 10: 05
      Havana Club, dry, old, golden......
    3. +3
      12 January 2023 15: 55
      In the late sixties - early seventies, Egyptian rum was still in use in our country.
  6. +6
    11 January 2023 07: 57
    With Algeria there was not only military and trade cooperation, but also scientific and production. In particular, the Soviet Union created the "Institute of Oil" there.
  7. +5
    11 January 2023 08: 01
    Yes, "solar" it was something. It is for the "target contingent". Although, after the Soviet draft vermouth and port, I thought for a very long time that this drink was exclusively for drunks.
  8. +7
    11 January 2023 10: 06
    Once I went into the store
    Behind the glass is a mine!
    His price is a rupee twenty-seven
    They poison everyone with the Sun!

    Painting the roof and barn
    Buy a sunflower!
    And two buckets of water
    Half a glass of that vodka!

    No wonder
    Blacks are poisoned by Solntsedar!
    The sun fades before
    God's gift!
    1. +12
      11 January 2023 10: 48
      And don’t say .. There was such a Burda, but there were much more worthy examples of Soviet wines and ports, and you shouldn’t forget about Bulgarian and Hungarian ones either .. I really liked Tokay at one time - the Hungarians (if they don’t lie) attribute to Heine such words: "Tokay wine is wine for kings and it is the King of Wines itself"! Good article - youth remembered!
    2. +13
      11 January 2023 16: 28
      No wonder
      Blacks are poisoned by Solntsedar!

      I will add a small illustration to the topic. laughing

      1. +1
        13 January 2023 00: 55
        There was nothing from Solntsedar yet, it was possible to survive, and if you remember how many people from counterfeit products in our time have died, horror! The article is simple, of course, but it causes some nostalgia, thanks to the authors already. There is only one negative around, especially in the media space.
  9. +5
    11 January 2023 11: 16
    Garbage, not an article, about nothing at all.
    The fact that "Solntsedar" was produced from the Algerian "Melo" and "Cabernet" is also written on Wiki, but there, at least there are links to the sources of this information, for example, to the book of a certain Max Farberovich "Essays on the alcohol topography of Odessa", where the author " from the words" of an unnamed interlocutor writes about this.
    The fact that the quality of this drink left much to be desired is also not news, and people knew about it, numerous ditties of the Soviet era are evidence of this.
    Tell me, uncle, not for nothing
    Fathers were poisoned by "Solntsedar"?

    If the authors wanted to spit on Khrushchev, they say, what a bastard - he sold weapons for poison, then Khrushchev was already spat on by both "liberals" and "patriots" ...
    The only thing that comes to mind is that the authors wanted to provoke nostalgia among readers, they say, "Oh, youth, youth ... here, I remember, we bought chatterboxes ..." and thereby gain clicks ...
    I don’t know, in short, I didn’t like it, I think I wasted my time in vain.
    1. +5
      11 January 2023 11: 29
      The fact that "Solntsedar" was produced from the Algerian "Melo" and "Cabernet" is also written on Wiki,

      The wiki is bullshit. Merlot grapes were not cultivated in Algeria, while Cabernet has been cultivated since the late 1950s. And about Khrushchev - this is pure ignorance. He had nothing to do with Algerian wine at all.
      1. +5
        11 January 2023 16: 15
        Quote from Passeur
        The wiki is bullshit.

        Perhaps. I didn't check, so I pointed out the source that the wiki links to. At the same time, I note that the issues raised by the article, let's say, do not seem so important to me to delve into their study. laughing
        But what I remember is that Khrushchev was removed from office before Bokassa made his coup. Whether they met, whether they communicated - I don’t know, but such a meeting could only take place secretly, but then the question is - how did the authors find out about it ... smile
    2. +6
      11 January 2023 16: 10
      Quote: Trilobite Master
      If the authors wanted to spit on Khrushchev, they say, what a bastard - he sold weapons for poison, then Khrushchev was already spat on by both "liberals" and "patriots" ..

      Nevertheless, all the descendants of Soviet collective farmers know that it was Khrushchev who turned out to be the first Soviet politician under whom the peasants ceased to die of starvation on a regular basis. Yes, and repressed during his 10 years of rule, probably less than Yeltsin killed in 2 days during the execution of the Russian Parliament, which removed the Communists from power. Maybe they can’t forgive him for this and not the collapse of the colonial system in Africa and Asia. Then France, Portugal, the United States had no time for the supply of weapons to the Ukrainian war. Their special forces and troops under Khrushchev bled in Indochina and Africa. Against the backdrop of achievements under Khrushchev in space, civil aviation, Antarctic research (and under Khrushchev, the USSR practically received 20% of the territory of Antarctica) prevented the return of France to Algiers. By the way, during the war for their independence, the Algerians staged a lot of sabotage in the French metropolis and this forced France to withdraw from some NATO structures and promote cooperation between France and the USSR in the aviation industry. The current rulers turn out to have delivered 300 billion worth of energy, steel and fertilizers to Europe and the USA for free and are forced to sell oil and gas at a discount of 70% -40% of market prices for which then Bulgaria and the Czech Republic have been producing ammunition for 9 years now, killing Russians in Syria and in Ukraine.
  10. +19
    11 January 2023 11: 21
    Well, why is it impossible to have a more or less knowledgeable editor on the site who would at least partially stop that muddy flow of informational chatter like this article?
    Let's start with the fact that Khrushchev has nothing to do with the supply of wine from Algeria, since the agreement on the purchase of wine was signed in 1968 and, in addition to the supply of wine to the USSR, also provided for the supply of oil. In accordance with this agreement in 1969-1970. 10 million hectoliters of wine and 1 million tons of oil were delivered from Algeria. Their payment was made by supplies from the USSR of machinery and equipment (for 50 million rubles), raw materials (for 2 million rubles) and due to the repayment of state loans by the Algerian side (for 47 million rubles)
    Secondly, the Merlot variety has never been cultivated in Algeria, and Cabernet appeared after Algeria became independent.
    Thirdly, "Solntsedar" was produced not only in Gelenzhik, but throughout the USSR in accordance with OST 18-4-70 and not only from Algerian raw materials.

    And fourthly, the authors have no idea at all about the Soviet-Algerian economic cooperation. Not at all.
    1. +5
      11 January 2023 13: 19
      I wonder who is minus - the authors are ignoramuses or cmoshniks by vocation?
      1. +6
        11 January 2023 16: 00
        React to them, that's minus. smile
        I really don’t understand why you and Lyudmila Yakovlevna feed these trolls, let them die of hunger. Even if these are your personal fans, do you really feel sorry for them? smile
        1. +4
          11 January 2023 17: 32
          This is a purely research interest of an amateur entomologist to the object of study, nothing more.
          1. +7
            11 January 2023 19: 06
            I'm afraid that the meaning of the life of these "objects", in addition to scattering their droppings anywhere, also consists in not providing anyone else with material for research. So it is unlikely that your curiosity will ever be satisfied.
            No, of course, you can find out not only the network aliases of these "objects", but also passport data, just tell me for God's sake - why? Would you like to visit them and see them in the eyes? Complain to someone? Compose a dirty song about them with names and surnames and go viral on tik-tok? smile
            If your goal is to draw up a typical portrait of such a person, then this is a lot of work. Based on my own experience of such research, I can say that basically such individuals are divided into two categories: juvenile morons with destructive thinking and older senile with tranquilized thinking. The first here somehow do not manifest themselves particularly (although I would not completely exclude them), therefore the second are more likely.
            If the minuses are purposefully put to a limited circle of users who have something in common (this still needs to be seen and proved), then we can make the assumption that the minuser has a personal dislike for the minus ones and the reason for this hostility lies precisely in this " general."
            Another consideration. The minusator, having a certain position on a number of issues, also has an active social position, since, albeit in such an extravagant way, he demonstrates it to us. From this we can make the assumption that from time to time he nevertheless expresses this position, moreover, on the same site, with some degree of probability - on the same branch. That is, you know him and, perhaps, already had an open conflict with him, the course and result of which your opponent did not suit so much that he decided not to repeat this experience. I do not think that the sample of such characters will be more than five people.
            Further, it is necessary to analyze the comments affected by the minusers: the topic, the time of publication, the time the minus appeared, the number of minuses per day, two, then, probably, no need.
            Having outlined the circle of suspects in this way, we can study the content from our own comments and those who have these comments will be short, somewhat incoherent, but very emotional - with a high degree of probability, this is the desired minus.
            Further check - control of time going on the air and its coincidence with the appearance of minuses. If it coincided - that's it, you can turn off the work, but at the same time I dare to notice again - what for is it necessary? smile
            Well, here it is somehow. At the same time, I am well aware that everything I have written now can correspond to reality like a banana to a potato. smile I have not seriously studied the situation, so I can be wrong in my current hypotheses, and by 180 degrees. smile
            1. +5
              11 January 2023 19: 30
              You approached the issue, as always, thoroughly, professionally, as an experienced collector of the lepidopterological collection. I am engaged in dipterology purely out of boredom, for fun.
              1. +7
                12 January 2023 10: 38
                So I'm a butterfly specialist? laughing
                For a person who spends his whole adult life delving into someone else's shit, this is probably a compliment. smile
                Thank you. hi
            2. 0
              17 January 2023 18: 05
              Quote: Trilobite Master
              Further, it is necessary to analyze the comments affected by the minusers: the topic, the time of publication, the time the minus appeared, the number of minuses per day, two, then, probably, no need.
              And for this, you just need to be able to see the nicknames of the appraisers when you hover the mouse pointer over - and +. Such a simple option is not available on such a massive site ... Why would it.
      2. +3
        11 January 2023 17: 40
        In the second definition, the letter "h" is missing. But it doesn't change the essence. The Austro-Hungarian version is quite possible.
        1. +4
          11 January 2023 18: 44
          The Austro-Hungarian version is quite possible.

          Great idea. "mošniki"
  11. +11
    11 January 2023 12: 09
    "But the Soviet sappers escaped with only one dead directly during mine clearance, the rest died from diseases and wounds received in skirmishes with the radicals who were already gaining strength at that time"


    What, did everyone die of disease? Nobody returned to the USSR?
    1. +5
      11 January 2023 14: 36
      Quote: Zagrebun
      What, did everyone die of disease? Nobody returned to the USSR?

      Oh, the power of words! laughing
    2. +6
      11 January 2023 15: 38
      The author turns out that no one returned.
      But Okorokov has a different opinion on this matter
      I saw a book: "unannounced (I have a firm sign, don't go out, an interrogative one pops up) wars of the Soviet Union *, I saw there: memoirs of one of the internationalists
  12. +9
    11 January 2023 13: 00
    There has never been a wine pipeline from Novorossiysk to Gelendzhik. There was a wine (or product) wire from the pier in Novorossiysk to the wine base - the Importpishcheprom plant. But not only Algerian wine was brought there. At some points they also carried French cognac spirit. It was very hard to work on these wine carriers.
  13. +5
    11 January 2023 14: 58
    The authors, please explain why the MiG-25 and 29 were sold to Algeria. And about the sale of diesel-electric submarines of the Halibut project, please tell us.
    1. +4
      11 January 2023 16: 37
      Quote: Tests
      The authors, please explain why the MiG-25 and 29 were sold to Algeria. And about the sale of diesel-electric submarines of the Halibut project, please tell us.

      So in reality, since 1992, Putin and Yeltsin have supplied 70% of Russian weapons, as it turned out, for the war against Russia in Ukraine and managed to donate about 20% of the proceeds for this gun to the West to wage war against Russia in Ukraine. The most idiotic example is the gift of tanks to Macedonia supposedly to protect the Slavs from Islamic extremists. And the Macedonian Bulgarian brothers, in turn, presented these tanks to Ukraine for armament. Their number was just enough to equip the Ukrainian punitive units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from Islamic extremists (Dudaev and Crimean Tatar extremists).
  14. +4
    11 January 2023 15: 24
    Good afternoon colleagues, yesterday my phone went on strike. I was afraid that the repair would cost a "round sum", but fortunately it cost a minimum amount
    I still got this wine. At least the label is familiar. From the elders I heard this: "the saying
    - Do not waste time in vain, hangover "Sun for nothing".
    In my opinion, the "Sundar" disappeared, somewhere in the 80s
    1. +4
      11 January 2023 16: 51
      Do not waste time, hangover "Sun for nothing".


      The very first sip of this drink caused a profuse vomiting reaction, especially with a hangover. laughing In my memory, "Solntsedar" consumed only frank bruises, just drinking people were limited to "Iveria" and "Agdam"
      1. +4
        11 January 2023 17: 26
        just drinking people were limited to "Iveria" and "Agdam"
        Still all sorts of "fruitful-profitable" ...
        "I'll put a ruble twenty-eight on the hook,
        I really want to catch "Golden Autumn".
        1. +7
          11 January 2023 17: 40
          Still all sorts of "fruitful-profitable" ...

          Yes, it’s all sorts of “Radiant” and “Pivdenny Bugskoe”, but I don’t remember something about “Golden Autumn”. request In general, all kinds of swill in the seventies was in bulk.smile
          1. +4
            11 January 2023 18: 04
            Consumer products in the Union were distributed extremely unevenly, perhaps these are small-town features. The town in which I grew up was under union subordination, and two neighboring regional centers went to us for food. And we to them - for everything else.
            1. +6
              11 January 2023 18: 35
              two neighboring district centers came to us for groceries.


              Yes, Brezhnev's paradise: "Long, green and smells like sausage - an electric train from Moscow to the region" (c) sad
          2. +6
            11 January 2023 19: 08
            but I don’t remember something about Golden Autumn

            And so?
            1. +6
              11 January 2023 19: 33
              And so - yes, especially "Vasya-with-teeth." laughing And I immediately remembered:
              Do you remember sailing in silence
              Two boxes "BILE-MITSNE",
              But only now I understand
              What was it "CABERNET"!
              drinks
              1. +6
                11 January 2023 19: 45
                "Bile Mitsne", by the way, was produced both in Russian and in other languages ​​of the peoples of the USSR.

                1. +5
                  11 January 2023 20: 19
                  For the first time I learned that "Bile Mitsne" and "White strong" are one and the same, the taste of mumbling - it is mumbling, although they consumed it in buckets.
                  But the MMV was not far from my house and there, in the alleys, there were always long tank trucks and you could always buy a canister of some wine at a cheap price from the drivers.
                  1. +5
                    11 January 2023 20: 31
                    you could always buy a canister cheaply

                    And not only wine, gasoline too. Soviet outboard motors ate gasoline like real ones. At the gas station, gasoline cost a penny, but he drove for nothing - a ruble canister of 20 liters. And they drove straight to the piers.
                    1. +3
                      11 January 2023 20: 49
                      I didn’t deal with outboards, we had boats (KS) with engines from GAZ-51 at the Spastation, and gasoline, respectively, was state-owned, so I don’t know the problems of private traders. smile But from conversations I remember that "Whirlwind" was praised by everyone, and "Moscow" was scolded.
                      1. +4
                        11 January 2023 21: 28
                        there were boats at the Spasstation (KS)

                        If the same as in the photo, then the YaMZ-238 diesel engine stood on it.
                      2. +4
                        11 January 2023 22: 57
                        No, at our station there were three pieces of such KSok with a lawn engine, I could hardly find a photo.

                        One, the fastest, from the Pella plant and the fifth one is like the one in the bottom photo with an engine from the Volga (?), but terribly clumsy.
                      3. +4
                        12 January 2023 00: 02
                        Yeah, so this boat is called KS-1. It was used by the river police. In the "Diamond Hand" Nikulin rides on such a broken leg.

                        On it the engine is still from the "emka".
                        This is an article about him in the Technique of Youth, 1946.
                      4. +4
                        12 January 2023 00: 20
                        One, the fastest, of the Pella plant

                        It was, most likely, a crew boat of the LM4-87 project with an M8ChSPU 100 engine.
                      5. +4
                        12 January 2023 00: 26
                        and the fifth one is like in the bottom photo with an engine from the Volga

                        This is a service boat "370-M". It has either an M8 ChSPU-100-1 or M53-FUL engine.
                      6. +1
                        12 January 2023 08: 21
                        No, at first glance, it looked like the KS-1, but it was much lighter and faster than the old KSki.
                      7. 0
                        15 January 2023 11: 37
                        And there was such a toy, half a meter long, on large, round, batteries ...
                      8. +3
                        12 January 2023 10: 17
                        "Moscow" died early enough, unlike "Whirlwind". What was the same gift .... And taking into account the ancestor and taking into account the manufacturer ....
                        "Neptunes" with "Greetings" were prettier ... Especially if you assemble them with your hands)). But they are younger.
                  2. 0
                    15 January 2023 11: 42
                    And in our village, news of wagons with draft wine standing on the tracks rushed by at the speed of a MIG-25, and whoever had time, he ate, or rather drank, in cans, canisters, buckets and no one died, the wine was grape ...
              2. +7
                11 January 2023 20: 07
                Dripping white wine
                At the bottom of the glass
                And like in slow motion
                The candle sighed.

                But they were lubricated, alas,
                Palette colors:
                We didn't have enough for love
                One ... half a liter!

                What a pity - the stall is already closed
                Opposite the bath
                And there - the treasured bubble
                "Wazisubani"...

                And there could be love
                Big and fiery
                Whenever I come to you...
                With one bottle.
                1. +5
                  11 January 2023 20: 55
                  When you undressed at night
                  I watched you with loving eyes
                  And I'm ready to argue with you for a reason
                  That the best dress is your nakedness. ..


                  But in reality - "All his (her) passion is at the bottom of the bottle ..." (C)
                  1. +5
                    11 January 2023 21: 09
                    That morning rose unobtrusively,
                    Only reflections on the floor
                    It smelled of Dutch and wax,
                    And a curtain frozen to the glass
                    And you, as if only from the hunt,
                    I remember this office
                    And we drank something vile,
                    Similar to Cabernet.

                    But still got drunk
                    And each of you interpreted:
                    Ah-ah, young noblewoman,
                    All my life I've been looking for this.
                    Well, remember? That's right, that's right
                    Haven't met since
                    I am a more faithful woman
                    And purer beginnings.
                    1. +4
                      11 January 2023 21: 38
                      Breathed the night with the delight of voluptuousness,
                      Full of obscure thoughts and trembling;
                      I was waiting for you with an insane thirst for happiness,
                      I was waiting for you and thrilled at the window ...
                      I cleaned our corner with flowers,
                      To you alone my dreams rushed,
                      Moments seemed like hours to me
                      I was waiting for you, but you... You still didn't come.
                      1. +3
                        11 January 2023 21: 52
                        We swam negligee.
                        A cigarette butt fell like an asterisk,
                        two bottles of Kokura
                        frozen in our luggage.
                        We swam negligee.
                      2. +4
                        11 January 2023 23: 08
                        we were dressed almost negligee
                        and tennis was played with a Faberge egg.

                        I dived negligee,
                        Faberge rang.

                        And tragic:
                        "Walked in the snow negligee,
                        And froze Faberge."
                      3. +2
                        12 January 2023 08: 06
                        And Danilo da Gavrilo,
                        What was in the legs of their urine,
                        Straight through the nettle
                        So they blow barefoot.
                      4. +2
                        12 January 2023 08: 24
                        Frost.
                        Children put on skates.
                        Passers-by raised their collars.
                        Thomas says:
                        "Winter came".
                        In underpants
                        Thomas goes for a walk.
                      5. +2
                        12 January 2023 09: 00
                        well-known mathematician
                        Academician Ivanov
                        Came home one day
                        With a pair of brand new skates.
                        And told his wife
                        And beloved daughter:
                        - Well, cook for me
                        Lead lotion.
                        Yes, more pennies
                        For possible bruising.
                        To rejuvenate again
                        I decided to wear skates.
                        And here he takes nickels
                        And goes to the ice.

                      6. +1
                        12 January 2023 10: 40
                        What a fucking power

                        what a fucking passion

                        led and lifted me

                        and didn't let me fall?

                        And why didn’t it subside in me,

                        and why didn't it disappear in me

                        my merry bastard

                        my cheerful inflexibility?

      2. +6
        11 January 2023 18: 42
        Yes, there was enough chatter, of course. But there was also a large selection of high-quality alcohol before Gorbachev's struggle with the green snake. The same cognac could be safely taken in any price category, but now it's a lottery - you don't know what's in the bottle - twist or a normal drink. There was also plenty of good wine.
        1. 0
          12 January 2023 20: 36
          A decent brandy like Old Tbilisi cost 25 rubles 0,5 liters. Armenian brandy is the same. With an average salary of 120 rubles, it was very expensive. Napoleon cost 40 rubles.
  15. +9
    11 January 2023 17: 51
    I didn’t try it, but I immediately remembered part of the song-alteration to the motive of “Chervona Ruta”: “You confess to mine, Where did you walk the night, And to whom did you give it, For a glass of Sundar ... You can’t throw out a word from a song, different nonsense , for some reason, it is easy to remember and for a long time ...
    In the summer of 1982, he worked on the Zvezdochka in the South Yagra, either on the Clamshell, pr. 675, or on the Azukha, pr. 667 "A", which returned from the next test stage and stood on the water, just opposite the dining room (definitely not Bukakha,
    that rocket hump is high). And lunch for "reactor" coupons was either for 1 ruble 30 kopecks, or for 1 ruble 40 kopecks, the usual coupon was then for lunch for 90 kopecks. At lunch with fellow assemblers-finishers, they ate "to the belly." They returned to order, and they announced to us, they say, flammable work was canceled until 15:16. It’s still too early to stomp to the shop, I, as a welder, had a shift until XNUMX pm. We look, closer to the stern, the guys from our workshop are sunbathing. We went to them, threw the robes on hot rubber, ourselves belly up, to the northern sun. There is something floating in the water. The seal dives between the hull of the boat and the pier, looking at us with its round eyes. One of our finishers suggests: "Guys, who will spit in the eye of a seal? But without getting up, lying on his stomach, otherwise he will be frightened."
    As Mikhail Zadornov said: "And how could such a thing come to your mind?" Well, okay, I’m a 19-year-old guy, but next to me are 4 respectable men over 40 years old, with bright heads and golden hands, decent fathers of families ... They all turned over carefully on their stomachs and, well, don’t care about the seal! She dives for 3-5 seconds and emerges again, only 6-8 meters from her. 3-4 minutes we had fun like that. I wonder what she thought about us at that moment? ... And if the photographic equipment on the American satellites were in those years with a higher resolution, what would analysts think when looking at pictures of Soviet nuclear submarines? ...
  16. +4
    11 January 2023 18: 31
    gsev (Gusev Vladimir), dear, "Halibuts" - this is under Gorbachev. About MiGs, especially the 25th, alas, I don’t know anything. At the film festival "The Sea Calls" fate gave me a gift - I had the pleasure of meeting and met several times at festivals in different years, including behind the scenes at a table in an informal setting, with Sergei Vyacheslavovich Aprelev.
    1. +3
      11 January 2023 18: 45
      Acquaintance with Aprelev is an extraordinary fact in the biography! My respect, colleague!!!
  17. +1
    11 January 2023 18: 37
    3x3zsave (anton), dear, and in the Arkhangelsk region they sang this alteration! But I haven’t tried Iveria and Agdam, and I don’t remember seeing Iveria somewhere ...
  18. +5
    11 January 2023 22: 04
    So you read the article, you want to minus, but no ...
  19. +3
    11 January 2023 23: 05
    Cheap twenty-degree poison was released ....

    Well, why immediately poison? What kind of toxic substances were contained in that wine, in comparison with modern "wine drinks"?
  20. +3
    12 January 2023 08: 23
    There was a normal shmurdyak, not excluding the cheapest - red and white, strong for a ruble six. What kind of shmurd is being stirred up now, and how many people are dying from it, then if I were the author of the article, I would expand the topic a little. I don’t remember the marginal layers at that time in terms of the current level. Now the layer is LAYER...
    1. 0
      12 January 2023 20: 30
      In 1980, before the Olympics, they decided to clear Moscow of the homeless, then they were called homeless. They carried out raids on the heating main, fished out and expelled from Moscow a little more than 50000 (!) People. Our Komsomol task force also participated.
  21. +4
    12 January 2023 10: 37
    I did not try Solntsedar, in my youth they dabbled in Golden Autumn from domestic wine materials, i.e. apples.
    But in Tunisia, I really liked their red wine, very decent, and there is also Buha, consonant with our plump, like a liquor.
    1. 0
      12 January 2023 20: 27
      There was also Northern Lights liqueur. Horror. But people were drinking.
  22. +4
    12 January 2023 10: 57
    I remember dry red Algerian. A bottle of 0.5 cost either 70 or 77 kopecks, for students the very thing. The wine, of course, was so-so, but not poison ... We began to make poison in the form of Solntsedar on its basis ourselves, of course it was still that chatter. I remember in our city they even sold it on tap ... It hit my brain hard, in my opinion it was the only wine drink with a strength of 20 °. All sorts of ports and other fortified wines were at a maximum of 18°, sherry was also 19° ... It was poisoned because of immoderate consumption. In our country, Abu Simbel, the Egyptian balsam, was poisoned when, instead of tablespoons in tea, they decided to consume it with glasses.
  23. +2
    12 January 2023 12: 30
    "Don't waste your time - have a hangover with Solntsedar." What a mess is ours....

    There was also a football variation: "Vodka for a stroke, Solntsedar for a kick ..."
  24. +2
    12 January 2023 15: 32
    Yes ... I immediately remembered my youth.
    Songs of Arkady Severny, Vova Shandrikov.
    ... I, in fact, if I didn’t smoke
    And did not drink, infection, "Solntsedar",
    So long ago I would have bought a Fiat,
    And Matryona is a samovar.
  25. +1
    12 January 2023 19: 23
    We need Gogols and Shchedrins.
    Satire of anti-Sovietism "of the highest order".
    Indeed, Algerian "denatured alcohol" is needed for hell, when Mother Russia has a lot of its own shit.
    Even more deadly and many times more lethal is methyl alcohol.
    One can argue who is more bloodthirsty - the Soviet state or the liberal, so-called "oligarchic business "elite"".
    Is it really only the products of the alcohol market that pose a danger to the health of Russian citizens over the past 30 years?
    Unfortunately not.
    The current hyper-and supermarkets and markets in the Russian Federation are more dangerous than minefields in the territory of the former Ukrainian SSR.
  26. +2
    12 January 2023 19: 49
    Moderators! Are you completely blown away?! You write comments, because of your ignorance, you ban for words unknown to you! And do not write, do not allow to evaluate other people's comments !!! Well, do you want me to stop visiting your resource altogether? Moreover, he generally became boring and uninformative ....
  27. +2
    12 January 2023 20: 23
    "Abdel Nasser gave a shit about everyone, half-fascist, half-SR, Hero of the Soviet Union." "Solntsedar" was a terrible muck. But people were drinking. A question of price. But this was not the only product from Algeria. I was just rebuilding the cottage and wanted to cover the roof not with slate, it is heavy, but with galvanized iron. Only Algerian was on sale, and cheaper than domestic. Bought. The iron is excellent, the galvanization is excellent. Over 30 years and no problems.
  28. +2
    12 January 2023 20: 45
    Heart-sucking ... I can say good things about him - for the first two years, "sunshine was quite decent fortified wine. And then it came to what the article was about - "heart-sucking" and even novice drunks stopped drinking it. It was impossible to give this wine at the mercy of Georgian" thieves in law"..
  29. -1
    12 January 2023 21: 14
    "Solntsedar" was indeed produced at a local winery, but the raw materials for it were supplied from Algeria. By barter in exchange for weapons and infrastructure, because Algeria, as you know, achieved independence from France in 1962 and immediately found itself among the candidates for joining the socialist camp

    in those years, maybe it was the norm, it was swill ... and now it's poison
  30. 0
    12 January 2023 22: 30
    And even worse was the swill called "Ruby". It's just paint and sugar.
  31. 0
    13 January 2023 15: 41
    The article does not stand up to scrutiny. The authors demonstrated a complete lack of understanding of the political and economic realities of that time. Algerian wine I remember from the time of my military service. The fighters from the self-propelled dragged several bottles of 0,7 Algerian wine. We celebrated the birthday of one of the fighters. Enamel mugs could not be washed afterwards, so they remained with red at the bottom. Kislyatin, however ... But it was in 1971 in the vicinity of the city of Frunze, the capital of the Kirghiz SSR.
  32. 0
    April 9 2023 21: 34
    Haven't tried this wine. Somehow it didn't happen.
    In the late 80s, large batches of wine from Algeria came to the USSR. As far as I remember, ... three different labels, price 2.20. The bottles were decorated decently, with a back label-map indicating the place of origin.
    The quality was very poor, sour and no. And the product did not enjoy popularity from the word at all.
    The second time I encountered Algerian wine in Algeria, where my Motherland sent me.
    The wine trade was not very common there and the assortment was somewhat strange. I sampled several wines, all of which were of very poor quality.
    From communication with the tourist office and the locals, I learned that Algeria can grow very worthy grape varieties (there are historical varieties lost in France).
    But the technology for making wine itself, after the departure of the French, does not differ in quality. And the domestic market does not shine with capacity, which does not force the manufacturer to engage in the quality assurance process.
    By the way, this fully applies to the production of soft cheeses, such as Camembert, Brie, etc.
    The packaging is similar, the view is the same, but the contents are not very good.
    Probably, Algeria is more focused on the production of wine materials, which, taking into account the climate and historical features, makes the raw materials decent and not inferior, as an example of Italian and Spanish wine materials.
    In reality, the issue for the USSR and the Russian Federation began with payment, not the best raw materials are given for debts. Second: Logistics. The tanker is not the ideal solution. Wine material is a thin thing if you are going to make decent wine.
    Well, and further, do you have a wine industry proper and a solvent demand for good wines? You have to pay off the costs.
    I think the USSR chose the optimal path. In some ways, given the experience of the British, their history with the blockade and embargo of Napooeona and the transition to wine from Portugal. The way is either expensive to carry, or to kill the wine through the addition of alcohol, getting a fortified drink.
    The USSR made it even easier: they were transported as it turned out and they were already killed here. Why did Solntsedar turn out as a result, and not a high-quality port wine.
    What they added, they taught. Experience was. In the USSR, table, non-technical grape varieties were also processed. To make from which dry quality wines is akin to the expression Hell and Israel.
    Drinks derived from wine materials, and even with the addition of alcohol, are not a very good solution for ingestion.
    Better to refrain.
    Keep healthy.