Experts discuss what to do with those who left the country and want to defeat Russia

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Experts discuss what to do with those who left the country and want to defeat Russia

According to some data, up to 700 thousand Russians have left the territory of our country since the beginning of the NWO. At the same time, the most massive “exodus” of our compatriots was recorded after the announcement of partial mobilization.

In this regard, in Russian power circles, the question of what to do with the so-called "who have left" has been raised more than once. Various proposals have been put forward, from increasing the tax rate for those who continue to work in Russia from abroad to deprivation of citizenship.



In particular, at the end of last year, Deputy Chairman of the Security Council of the Russian Federation Dmitry Medvedev proposed to consider people who left the country and want to defeat it as "enemies of the people." In addition, the politician urges not to let them back to Russia.

Among others, Russian political scientist Andrey Perla expressed his opinion on this matter. According to the expert, it is impossible to consider all Russians who left the country during the NWO period as traitors and deprive them of their citizenship.

The political observer emphasized that many of them left before the announcement of mobilization and did not violate any laws. As Perla puts it, it's not morally good, but it's not illegal.

However, the political scientist supports a sharp increase in the tax rate for "remote workers" working from abroad. In his opinion, this should encourage some valuable specialists, for example, from the IT sector, to return back to the country. And this should not be prevented.

In turn, the evaders who received a summons and fled from Russia, according to the expert, undoubtedly violated the law and are subject to administrative or criminal prosecution.

As for those who left Russia and are trying in every possible way to harm their country from abroad, here Perla's opinion coincides with Dmitry Medvedev's proposal.

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    1. +6
      9 January 2023 13: 54
      Well, advanced refugees to deprive the right to work in government agencies to impose increased tax evaders. If a person left before the SVO and the announcement of mobilization, then there is no claim, But after all, there are many who left after receiving a summons, then they need to be judged then.
    2. +19
      9 January 2023 13: 57
      Did you seriously see analogies with Stalin here??
      Is Ilya Medvedev like Yakov or Vasily Stalin in the war? Or Ilya Chows (look who it is and whose surname is by HUSBAND).
      Or are sons-in-law, nephews, relatives of the entire political elite participating in the NWO (except for children - officers)?
      And so they will decide here who is the enemy of the people, whom to punish, who and why left?
      And did they finish their yachts, handed over the factories to the treasury for the NWO? Have you transferred many of your innumerable assets to the needs of the NWO (private flights and smartphones do not count for Azov residents)?
      But at least someone from this elite was punished for probable errors in preparation, planning, and conduct?
      No?
      But at the same time, they will judge those who were yelled in the face for 30 years that the state does not owe them anything?
      People, have you seriously forgotten everything and are letting yourself be set against ordinary people?

      I will make a reservation right away - I share those who left and those who want defeat (namely defeat) of Russia. These are two completely different categories.
      1. -3
        9 January 2023 14: 40
        Neutrality is worse than betrayal. If the enemy wants defeat, then at least you see the enemy, and when you just put your head in the sand and left, then how can you rely on such a person in the future? As Vysotsky sang: "If a friend suddenly turned out to be And not a friend, and not an enemy, but - so" ...
        1. 0
          30 January 2023 14: 40
          flyer. No need to lay down on people! People, they are not sofas!
      2. -1
        9 January 2023 14: 41
        Quote: Quote Lavrov
        People, have you seriously forgotten everything and are letting yourself be set against ordinary people?

        The last year of VO is full of paid bots and voluntary idiots, so why be surprised.
        1. +14
          9 January 2023 15: 04
          Recently, I see less and less comments from those with whom I have been communicating on this site for many years.
          And more and more "correct", but completely empty comments from some new accounts.
          1. +6
            9 January 2023 21: 27
            After the announcement of all sorts of unilateral "truces" I won't say another bad word about those who left.
            1. 0
              10 January 2023 17: 32
              That is, the betrayal of the elites justifies the betrayal of all others?
              1. 0
                11 January 2023 10: 16
                According to Danko's book, what kind of man was there to look for, but no one even said a simple thank you to him.
          2. +1
            9 January 2023 21: 33
            Quote: Quote Lavrov
            more "correct" but completely empty comments

            the rest are limited
      3. 0
        9 January 2023 21: 25
        Sorry, but the internet refuses to say who Chouse is, so who is it? hi
    3. +9
      9 January 2023 14: 01
      Something tells me that all these conversations and angry hand-wringing are intended only for one purpose - the righteous anger of the population towards those who left the country and who want to defeat Russia like steam on the whistle, nullifying any well-deserved punishments against such objects.

      There is too much talk and little action, although almost a year has passed since the designated objects began their drape beyond the borders of their "beloved" homeland, and nothing is being done there. hi
      1. -4
        9 January 2023 14: 36
        It will not be possible to sit on two chairs, here we wrap the fish, but here ...
        Either the enemy or your own.
        One small thing leads to another big one...
        It's like with the 500 (refuseniks), they were trained, armed, but they spat and left, and we got Kharkov, Grocery, Liman, Bucha, and finally Kyiv.
        1. +1
          10 January 2023 12: 25
          Yes, 500 refuseniks are generally a landmark phenomenon.
          This simply and clearly shows that an army recruited from some counters is completely incapable of a big war.
          Double basses, super specialists, hope and support, the pride of the army, and then there is a war, and which one of the super specialists is hope, etc., etc., legs in hand.
          So the enemy will not be able to screw up the idea of ​​​​a contract army.
          And in fact, the former conscripts had to be called in.
          And so the idea with counters in the army is super.
      2. +2
        9 January 2023 14: 36
        How many such proposals about which at first a heated discussion, and after a couple of weeks they don’t even remember. Politicians are talking about themselves.
        To deprive citizenship means to amend the Constitution Art. 6. Although Putin in November introduced changes to the law on Citizenship in the Duma. What's not clear. The law repeals the provisions of the Constitution.
      3. 0
        9 January 2023 14: 40
        Look, Prigozhin remarked, quite sensibly, until the offspring of the elite are mobilized, there will be no consent and mobilization of society. About those who spit poison .. Well, there is no government for them through deprivation of the opportunity to work or citizenship in the ballot box (the elite just thinks about themselves too, and therefore there will be nothing further than conversations), start criminal cases, prosecute them in accordance with the Criminal Code
        1. -1
          7 March 2023 12: 18
          Some of the offspring of the elites, you won’t believe it, but they are also fighting. Some of the offspring are women and children, where should they fight. Some of the offspring work in the Military Industry, it seems that they are not in the war, but someone must provide them, the warring ones, with everything.
          Well, there are some of those whom relatives save from participating in hostilities - because of the degenerative structure of their mind, these majors are candidates for the dead from fear even before the front or the dead after the first battle. Good soldiers have no hope for such, they only interfere.
          A certain percentage of offspring have already died defending their homeland. Well, of course, there are just cowards - these are either smeared by relatives from service or hidden by hook or by crook, abroad.
          For those who left the country after the announcement of mobilization, the authorities need to deal with each one specifically. These authorities (the military prosecutor's office) should not be from the region of residence. And if he, the refusenik, does not give weighty arguments, then it is not possible to consider him to be appointed to any branch of government or to the civil service. must. And to strengthen their supervision of taxes and activities. Create a separate card, Refusenik, Well, on the Internet, create a website with the same name and place there a photo of these individuals indicating their place of residence. So that, if necessary, everyone can familiarize themselves. Yes, change their surname registry office in the future, do not allow.
          Introduce a chapter in the Criminal Code of Russia for preventing such measures by relatives in relation to such refuseniks. At the same time, if such a fact is revealed, the relative should be deprived of his position in power with the wording "Loss of trust".
          If the objector takes part as a military man, as a volunteer, or substantially as a volunteer with finances and helps specific military units, then remove all restrictions from him.
    4. 0
      9 January 2023 14: 22
      And especially stubborn and aggressive ones should be awarded the Order of an ice ax on their back, or the Order of a sledgehammer on their head in the modern version)

      Why so cruel. There is an example, the other day Lukashenka signed a law on the deprivation of citizenship of such a blind spot, before that, through a referendum, this was allowed in the Constitution.
    5. +1
      9 January 2023 17: 20
      Quote: Anchorite
      Act like Stalin)) we ... and forget, do not let us go home)) turn off the taps of earnings in Russia)) moreover, forever without repentance and pardon))

      And start with the children of ministers, deputies and officials! fellow

      "Where do the children of leading Russian politicians live"

      https://chernovik.net/content/inye-smi/gde-zhivut-deti-vedushchih-rossiyskih-politikov
  2. +4
    9 January 2023 13: 47
    Personally, I would divide those who left into simply cowardly indifferences to whom the Motherland is where food and warmth are and who wishes Russia defeat and evil not just with words but with their actions, these should be deprived of citizenship, in the USSR there was a good practice in this regard. Rubber products No. 2 from among the jesters have always been and are, but one thing is good that they show their essence in difficult times for the country, and here memory loss is not acceptable.
    1. -6
      9 January 2023 13: 53
      But do not let either one or the other back. If only they had mobilized. Maybe someone else will fall. This "valuable" "resource" is useless to us
    2. old
      +2
      9 January 2023 15: 10
      on who wishes Russia defeat and evil not just with words but with their actions, these should be deprived of citizenship

      Most of them are just among those who remained, oddly enough. Moreover, many of them are in the civil service. The Ministry of Culture, for example, is full of such characters, and the Ministry of Education is full. What to do with them? Also revoke citizenship?
      1. +1
        9 January 2023 15: 22
        Quote: old
        The Ministry of Culture, for example, is full of such characters, and the Ministry of Education is full.
        There are no less of them among the figures of culture and education.
    3. 0
      30 January 2023 14: 49
      Silver99. So in Stalin's time they built their country. The country of workers and peasants, they defended it. How to protect those who break the country, and for the country the worker has become just a proletarian who is waiting at the gate when there will be a place to work. Because of the gate, he does not even see that the plant is gone, that it has been gouged. Thirty years worth. First grandfathers and fathers, and now a new generation. For those in power and money, they are knee-deep, from above, from below.
  3. +3
    9 January 2023 13: 50
    I read the biography of this Pearl ... very vile, it turns out to be a person ... nicknamed "corpse cart" ... Who cares, google it! Why is this character's opinion posted here?
  4. +3
    9 January 2023 13: 51
    Actually there is only one solution:
    consider people who left the country and want to defeat it as "enemies of the people"
  5. +4
    9 January 2023 13: 51
    consider people who left the country and want to defeat it as "enemies of the people"

    This is clearly in vain .. And then, after all, very many of those who remain have their own opinion, who are the enemies of the people here ..
    1. +3
      9 January 2023 13: 58
      Everyone can have their own opinion, but when the question is whether or not there is meanness here and the desire to defeat the country is criminal, during the Second World War, not everyone loved Soviet power, but they did not become traitors from this either. Look who is now fighting in the ranks of "musicians", convicted by whom, it seems, there is nothing special to love the authorities, but they are heroes, but those who twisted their faces and entertained the public by making money stood on the other side, remembering the second citizenship, and who is more here loves the country?
      1. 0
        30 January 2023 14: 54
        Silver99. In Soviet times, trucks were on board behind the inscription - I'm not sure - do not overtake! Where did the people in the foreign media read what they wrote there and in what countries? Where was it written? If you want to be deceived, believe with your own eyes. Remember what they wrote about Goebbels? This is it!
  6. +11
    9 January 2023 13: 52
    . Deputy Chairman of the Security Council of the Russian Federation Dmitry Medvedev proposed to consider people who left the country and want to defeat it as "enemies of the people" ...


    Oh how I turned. He himself is, of course, the best friend of the people.
  7. +2
    9 January 2023 13: 54
    A geek like Smolyaninov is to be deleted from all films. Cartoons - to be re-voiced and films with his participation must also be removed from the show. I think Fedor Bondarchuk will understand with his 9th company.
    1. 0
      9 January 2023 14: 09
      Can you just not show your last name in the credits? feel
  8. G17
    0
    9 January 2023 13: 57
    Deprive of citizenship, confiscate all property, a ban on entry back to Russia forever. For especially zealous Russophobes - criminal cases and, following the example of MOSSAD, on the hit list with permission for the special services to liquidate them abroad. There is a war going on and no sentimentality is appropriate here.
    1. +2
      9 January 2023 17: 28
      Quote: G17
      and, following the example of MOSSAD, on the hit list with permission for the special services to eliminate them abroad

      The example is not correct, Mossad does not kill Israelis. Even traitors like Vaanunu are captured and brought to the courtroom to face justice.
      Extrajudicial killings, from Israel's point of view, apply only to foreign terrorists and personnel of enemy states.
      Even Arabs with Israeli citizenship who committed a terrorist act, the Mossad does not have the right to liquidate without trial, and the prime minister does not have the right to demand such liquidations.
      They are captured and taken to court.
  9. +2
    9 January 2023 14: 00
    How, how: while we do not have a "state of war" and, accordingly, martial law; no way. It is necessary to adapt the laws, the Code of Criminal Procedure to the needs of wartime.
    1. 0
      9 January 2023 14: 11
      Therefore, the occasion was amended for partial mobilization. Maybe add something else
  10. +1
    9 January 2023 14: 00
    many of them left before the announcement of mobilization and did not violate any laws. As Perla puts it, it's not morally good, but it's not illegal.
    Galkin, I remember, complained that his concerts in Russia were canceled and they were not allowed to air. About Pugachev, too, do not hear. Just the other day, Urgant was crying that the film with his participation was not released "suddenly". But these are media personalities, and then how to rein in people easier?
    1. -2
      9 January 2023 21: 37
      Quote: Lesovik
      But how then to rein in people easier?

      on the indigirka, cut the ice with a pick
    2. 0
      30 January 2023 14: 58
      Lesovik. Why is it easier to mess around with people. Skin the lampshades.
  11. +7
    9 January 2023 14: 02
    Children of the "respected", not only those who "left the country and want Russia's defeat", or simply left, or who remained here, but who are not going to the NWO, do they fall into the same categories? Or is it different?
    1. old
      -2
      9 January 2023 15: 20
      Children of the "respected", not only those who "left the country and want Russia's defeat", or simply left, or who remained here, but who are not going to the NWO, do they fall into the same categories? Or is it different?

      They are not going to SVO - and it is not necessary. They are not needed there. Their main task is to sit silently and not shine. The seating country does not matter. You can not say anything in support of your country - sit silently!
      1. +6
        9 January 2023 15: 46
        Well, then let the parents of the "golden youth" who are not visible in the NWO - sit silently and do not tell people whom they should hate, whom they should appoint as "enemy of the people" and so on.
        And, in principle, sitting on the couch, and not in the trench, I believe that it is not right to talk about how you support something, but not the other.
        The vast majority still pay taxes to the budget of the Russian Federation, etc. (these are the few who will receive investment citizenship out of hundreds of thousands who left), and for the most part, these are exactly the same people who have not received answers to many of their questions, and for sure, who do not want their country to be defeated (this is nonsense that is being heavily hammered into our heads, so as not to explain why so many hundreds of thousands left. Those who call for defeat are few).
        The only thing is that it is necessary to urgently remove the norm about 183 days from the Tax Code and they will always be able to pay taxes to the budget of the Russian Federation.
        1. 0
          10 January 2023 16: 27
          As Mark Twain wrote, a country is a land within borders. And power is the clothes of the country. Over time, it may wear out and not meet what the country needs. Then the people have the right to choose another government that will correspond to reality.
  12. +1
    9 January 2023 14: 08
    You can discuss as you like, but you must act strictly in accordance with the law ...
    1. 0
      30 January 2023 15: 01
      If everything is according to the law, then the coup in the USSR must be considered illegal. What is this power - such people.
  13. +5
    9 January 2023 14: 10
    Does everything written in the article concern the children of Russian officials living abroad, or what? One of my colleagues at work has a son who moved to Armenia (Nvidia employee), another friend moved to Italy (Yandex employee), and I have no idea how they can be punished (they pay taxes in the countries where they moved) or encouraged to return back.
    1. 0
      9 January 2023 21: 38
      Quote from Ronrew
      son moved to Armenia

      mobilize in the army of Armenia and in Nagorno-Karabakh
  14. -7
    9 January 2023 14: 16
    You can think of many different just punishments. Personally, it seems to me that there should be a reasonable combination in this matter. First, the return must be paid. For example, 20-25 million. Secondly, a ban on a certain type of activity of the returnee and his closest relatives. Thirdly, a lifelong stigma of a foreign agent. Fourth, higher taxes. Fifth, in the commission of any crime or offense, absence from the country should be an aggravating circumstance. You can also add an increase in the terms of military service for him and the children, etc., etc., etc.
    1. 0
      10 January 2023 16: 29
      As they said at the time when the revolution was to take place - as the power to the people, so the people should be to power. The country must remain, and the government must be as good as the people.
    2. 0
      30 January 2023 15: 04
      dare. Then it is not clear why it was necessary to destroy the USSR. In recent times, everything was there, as you wrote. Then there was no need for a coup and there would be no enemies. Just do not write that no one has been imprisoned lately. Planted like trees and potatoes in holes.
  15. -4
    9 January 2023 14: 17
    It is logical for all those who have left to sharply increase the tax on income, the source of which is Russia. This will also hit migrants who have received citizenship only for convenience and do not plan to live in Russia. In Crimea, this will hit the Crimean Tatars, who left for Turkey, but income from Russia, incl. pensions, do not forget to receive. There are workarounds, but such paths will cost many times more.
    1. +5
      9 January 2023 16: 30
      Quote from Gpn27
      It is logical for all those who have left to sharply increase the tax on income, the source of which is Russia. This will also hit migrants who have received citizenship only for convenience and do not plan to live in Russia. In Crimea, this will hit the Crimean Tatars, who left for Turkey, but income from Russia, incl. pensions, do not forget to receive. There are workarounds, but such paths will cost many times more.

      and what are the people whose source of the RF is? it’s just interesting .. here Miller, Sechin, Medvedev, etc. it is clear that the source of income of the Russian Federation. And what is the source of IT for RF government contracts? And most importantly, what did they violate? the state itself released them ...
  16. -5
    9 January 2023 14: 24
    Experts discuss what to do with those who left the country and want to defeat Russia
    And sho there is so valuable, priceless escaped that they should be sorry and beg to come back???
    There are no irreplaceable people, the conditions for study, growth and education must be created appropriate, and then the conditions for normal, fruitful work and life.
    Everything is as simple as three pennies.
    1. 0
      10 January 2023 16: 34
      Tens of millions died, and for this they created a monument like in Moscow, but in another city not made by hands with a name. And here they didn’t even reach a million and they were spent. But they are neither this nor that! They were not robbed, they were not thrown out into the street, they lived as long as they could under such power. But health didn't allow it.
  17. +8
    9 January 2023 14: 31
    What nonsense.
    There is a law, and according to the theory, any officials not only "shouldn't" violate it, but "should" beat their greedy hands for violating it.

    The departed citizens remain citizens of Russia.
    If they violated the law - "to publicly wish Russia's defeat and call for sanctions", etc. - forward: judgment and punishment.

    Didn't break the law. They left, or they were taken out by igrodely firms, or the like. -
    Everything, according to the law, everything is in order. They left in search of a better life, remaining citizens of Russia...
    Everywhere so.

    We have a lot of elite families, a lot of children live and lived over the hill. There are 10 thousand real estate in London alone, they wrote ... (+ France, Montenegro, Italy, Greece, Cyprus, USA ....)
    And now they are buying up a lot in the Emirates ...
    AND WHAT? Who remembers these "optimizers"? but there are whole lists of owners - foreigners in their registers ... whole lists of rich residents - residents in tax ....
    No. These are theirs. This is the elite. this is FAMILY. About them, their billions - no, no ....

    But to frolic at the expense of the poor majority (protecting oneself from mobilization by law) is a sacred thing for Duma members ...
  18. +1
    9 January 2023 14: 34
    Everyone can argue and discuss... from Medvedev and experts to homeless people in heating mains.
    That's just the way the President says. And we have "Long live our court! The most humane court in the world!" (quote from the film).
    Not so long ago, there were also "discussions" everywhere about lifting the moratorium on the death penalty ... Despite the overwhelming majority ... the President spoke and expressed his point of view ...
    Where are all these "discussions" and "discussed moratorium" now? Something all quieted down and not to hear ...
    So, to discuss something - it makes no sense, so - scratch your tongues ...
    1. +2
      9 January 2023 16: 05
      That's right, nonsense, an occasion once again for the deputies and every expert rabble to dream up (what not to do, just to do nothing). And as for Dmitry Anatolyevich, it’s strange why his son didn’t go to the SVO, but to his father’s party. When in the USA they gave their son a kick, what dad wrote there: "double lawlessness, sanctions against relatives of Russian officials."
      Citizens, calm down, with our problems in the NWO and the economy, I doubt that queues will line up at the borders of those who want to return. And try to shake those who work remotely, intimidate them with deprivation of citizenship, etc. This is shooting yourself in the foot, at least in the IT field.
      Although we can row "enemies of the people" with a shovel, simply demand that all officials and their relatives explain - "where the money comes from." You don’t even need offshore companies, you can strictly according to the declaration. That's all, we will close the Russian budget for three years. Or is there any doubt?
  19. 0
    9 January 2023 14: 57
    I think it should be divided into those who simply left and those who harm Russia.
    The second, no mercy. And the first must be dealt with individually.
  20. -3
    9 January 2023 15: 07
    Deprive citizenship of those who have been absent from the country for more than 2 years.
    At the same time, we will deprive awards, driver's licenses, pension savings, seniority, and punish draft dodgers with corrective labor in the Donbas at construction sites.

    Without citizenship, only work as a loader or janitor. You can't even work as a taxi driver without a driver's license. And without medical insurance, there will also be a ban on free medical care, only for big money.

    After that, there would be more patriots.

    But the government will not agree to this, they do not want to pass laws against their relatives and their children living in the west.
    1. +2
      10 January 2023 16: 50
      You treated the children of officials very harshly. But don't worry about them. They will come to Russia four times a year, that is, every quarter to mark the entrance and immediately return. In order not to violate the reporting.
      1. 0
        11 January 2023 11: 43
        It is not profitable to close the border completely, let them go to check-in at least once a year - for the summer holidays, I am not against studying at foreign universities. If they mess up, then a criminal case and handcuffs at the entrance.

        But this is a terrible dream of officials, they will be afraid to adopt such a law, they will not want to punish themselves and their loved ones.
  21. 0
    9 January 2023 15: 13
    The journalist hid her face so diligently that there is doubt about the purity of her thoughts. feel
  22. 0
    9 January 2023 19: 11
    Fled to the delight of the liberals and crap! As Vysotsky sang: "If a friend suddenly turned out to be not a friend, and not an enemy, but like that ...... There is no other opinion! And there are worthy sovereigns in power, who will understand each specific case of flight and condemn them? There are no sovereigns, everyone has a snout in a cannon, everyone! A crow will not peck out a crow's eye, gentlemen, comrades, friends! Money bags with huge funds ran away. Without money, no one needs THERE, and first of all, for themselves. You won't live! Read on the Internet that they threw expensive cars, and crossed the border on bicycles and donkeys! am am am angry angry angry
  23. +1
    9 January 2023 20: 26
    However, the political scientist supports a sharp increase in the tax rate for "remote workers" working from abroad. In his opinion, this should encourage some valuable specialists, for example, from the IT sector, to return back to the country. And this should not be prevented.


    it’s not necessary to raise the rate, but to introduce a complete ban on making money in Russia while being over the hill. Otherwise, it turns out that everyone who dumped over the hill continues to earn money in Russia, live at the expense of Russia, insult Russia, and at the same time then they will freely return and live here further.
  24. 0
    9 January 2023 22: 16
    what to do with those who left the country and want to defeat Russia

    The best thing is to develop Russia to create conditions for the country to revive and develop rapidly, and "women began to give birth." Such conditions will be the most painful factor for those who have left.
  25. +1
    9 January 2023 22: 28
    Don't care about those who left. Far more problems are delivered by those who remain. For the sake of saving the income of which all sorts of "gestures of good will" and other outrages are being done.
  26. +1
    10 January 2023 08: 42
    First of all, we need to reflect on how we lived to a life such that our people leave the country in difficult times. Did we have everything right? And there is.
  27. -1
    10 January 2023 11: 13
    Most of those who left the mobilization will become a breeding ground for recruitment by Western intelligence agencies into sleeper and active agents.
  28. 0
    11 January 2023 06: 22
    what to do with those who left the country and want to defeat Russia

    An example from China.
    One advanced artist left China and began to vilify China in every conceivable and unthinkable way. The Chinese leadership replied that this figure had insulted the people of China, and therefore was deprived of all preferences and could not take any part in events funded by China. After this statement by the Chinese leadership, the notorious figure began to repent and shout at every corner that he was misunderstood, that he was good, and it was the accursed enemies who forced him, etc., etc.
    We need to do exactly the same thing: to deprive them of the opportunity to earn money in Russia. And that's it. Nothing more needs to be done. After that, we will immediately see how all these vankas, alki, sticks, malki will come running and start shouting at every corner that they are not Jews, and not damned bourgeois, but the most, that there are, Russians - Russian, and that all their statements - the damned propaganda of the Anglo-Saxons, hiding behind their noble name, that they are for Russia, and sleep, and see how our troops are marching along Khreshchatyk, and noble Kyiv young ladies are waving their colored panties ...
  29. 0
    11 January 2023 09: 07
    Quote: guest
    That is, the betrayal of the elites justifies the betrayal of all others?

    Let's look at the situation from a scientific point of view. The state was created by people to protect people from external threats to these people, to preserve the gene pool, the life of childbirth. And each clan exhibited warriors for joint survival. This tactic worked when families had many children.
    And now let's imagine a purely abstract situation, not our country is meant, purely hypothetically:
    - there is one male child in the family,
    - the state created conditions so that there would be no more children,
    - the state replaces the indigenous population with migrants,
    - the state transfers the country's income to other countries,
    - the state replaced the military caste with opportunists with negative efficiency,
    - the state proposes to give the only male descendant of the clan to a strange military operation, where he will most likely die.
    Does the family need it?
  30. 0
    30 January 2023 14: 36
    So not just ordinary citizens left Russia, but also those who made a fortune, not a little, in Russia, and then flew away for the winter. This is where you need to start. Also, the creators of the storm in Russia, who went against the people, also smeared their heels, but not a word about them. If this is possible, then why not those who in Russia have neither a nest nor a million in banks, somewhere out there. After all, now in Russia they don’t say a word about those who tore their claws from Russia during 1917 and so on, but who are now glorified in Russia, because they fought against the Soviet government, not for equality, but quite the opposite. Now you can compare these two periods and make your decision - what's the difference? Why are some good and others bad.
  31. 0
    30 January 2023 15: 03
    1) After the announcement of the NWO, most of the import companies left the country. And these are jobs. including in IT. Where should programmers go to work? Is it possible to go to the factory for 15000? Of course, those who are smarter left after the companies. And why wet them? Just for the fact that you need to somehow spin? We actually have "freedom": no one will give money just like that, spin around, earn money ... So there should be no complaints about ordinary workers who are not stars and do not throw mud at the country ...
    2) Why, from mobilization, official reservations apply to almost everyone, except for simple hard workers: reservations from deputies, artists, financiers, teachers, bank employees, administrations (even for drivers). Chopovtsy have not gone anywhere - everything is here, in plain sight. Meanwhile, in September came special. people and took the peasants into the army by whole workshops ... Is that right?
    3) Why do those who already live well do not go to war, but lead the most ordinary life? Why does it seem that, relatively speaking, 1% of men were torn out of life and sent to war, and then they were forgotten about? Where are the programs that tell about the combat path of a particular mobilized (living conditions, feeding, equipment, training, funding, how his family lives without him, how is his mortgage)?
    4) People don't want to be forgotten. People do not want to pull the strap undeservedly. by random sampling .... The hardships of life should concern everyone ... War is war for everyone.
    Therefore, there is nothing to press them for, they are ordinary people ...
  32. 0
    2 February 2023 04: 43
    I think this is the best option. Those who faded over the hill after 24/02/2022 and do not croak against RUSSIA, let those back with a loss of rights, a ban on work in government agencies, etc. confiscate their property in RUSSIA!
  33. 0
    5 February 2023 16: 11
    To the question of "departed" and, not only, "Foreign agents" - one must understand - YES, "black sheep", but they grew up "not on a branch", before them there were many generations of their relatives (fathers, grandfathers, great-grandfathers) who worked and fought for their homeland... Therefore, depriving citizenship is unacceptable!...
    It is necessary to punish, because evil (in the understanding of most citizens is strange) must be punished.
    Disqualification:
    NOT able to work or serve in government agencies.
    NOT located with government agencies in commercial activities
    The ban on living in large cultural centers is strange (from 300 thousand, and at least 200 km away from them)
  34. 0
    10 February 2023 19: 22
    And what did they do with the traitors in Russia, or something changed, True, the Yeltsin Center still exists on our own money.

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