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The creation of new heroes by Soviet propaganda in the 1930s

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The creation of new heroes by Soviet propaganda in the 1930s
Frame from the film "Chapaev"


Having reached unprecedented power, propaganda could instantly elevate any person to the rank of a national hero or turn him into an enemy and a traitor. In the 1930s, after newspaper publications, many were deprived of their positions, freedom or life. But it is necessary to tell about the opposite examples, when little-known personalities, through the efforts of propaganda, turned into heroes known throughout the country.

This is how hundreds of people became famous, including party leaders, military leaders, industry leaders and many others. However, there is nothing surprising in the fact that, for example, Alexei Stakhanov became a well-known personality. The country needed coal, and the miners who extract it worked better when there was an example to follow before their eyes.

For the same article, I selected only three equally well-known, but, in my opinion, the most atypical examples. One of them is a Civil War commander, almost unknown during his lifetime, but who became famous 15 years after his death. The other two are generally children who have not done anything remarkable, but thanks to propaganda they have become known throughout the country.

Vasily Chapaev


One such example is Vasily Chapaev.

During his lifetime and in the first years after his death, this division commander was almost unknown, his merits differed little from the merits of dozens of other division commanders known only to colleagues during the Civil War. And therefore, they didn't talk about it.

The beginning of the creation of the heroic myth around Chapaev was laid by his commissar Dmitry Furmanov, who wrote a novel about the division commander in 1923.

However, the divisional commander, who died in 1919, became popular among the people after being shot in 1934 based on Furmanov's novel by the Vasiliev brothers (who are actually not brothers, but namesakes) "Chapaev".

It was a resounding success, it was played many times in all Soviet cities where there were cinemas. According to rough estimates, about 60 million people watched it in the first seven years alone. Many, including Stalin, have watched the film more than once.

Soon, thanks to the film, a real cult of Chapaev appeared. Streets in many cities and towns were named after him, he was put on a par with the most famous generals of the Civil War, such as Frunze, Tukhachevsky, Budyonny or Voroshilov. And no less important - there were thousands of jokes about him.

The image of Chapaev in the official Soviet mythology became inseparable from the film, and few people asked themselves questions: what were the real merits of this man during his lifetime? What did he do that set him apart from hundreds of other Civil War commanders?

Historical Chapaev commanded an ordinary division, and his actions did not radically affect the course of the war. The death of Chapaev is also difficult to call something out of the ordinary in the conditions of 1919, when commanders and above his rank died.

So little known before, the division commander became a popular favorite and one of the most famous participants in the Civil War, about whom many jokes were later invented.


Frame from the film "Chapaev"

Pavlik Morozov


Morozov is a fairly common surname, and many famous personalities wore it. However, even today, at her request, "Wikipedia" is the first to show "Pavel Trofimovich", that same Pavlik.

Propaganda made his name known throughout the country, monuments were erected to him, even in our time, many argue about this 13-year-old schoolboy, who did not shine with any merit, did not do anything outstanding, did not write, did not invent, did not create. But on the other hand, he was an ideological communist and denounced his non-ideological father where he should. This circumstance became the reason for the loud PR around his name.


One of the many monuments to Pavlik Morozov. Sverdlovsk (Yekaterinburg). Now demolished

This was the case then.

The year was 1931, the height of collectivization and dispossession. Pavlik's father Trofim Morozov, a participant in the Civil War, served as chairman of the village council in the village of Gerasimovka, Sverdlovsk Region. This village was a place of exile for dispossessed peasants. That is, those from whom all property was taken away and declared enemies. Trofim gave them false certificates, thanks to which they could leave the place of exile. This was the reason for the denunciation of his son Paul. The 13-year-old student also spoke at the trial, where he repeated the accusations against his father. According to the Case of the Murder of Pioneer Pavel Morozov, his speech was as follows:

“Uncle, let me tell you! It was I who filed a lawsuit against my father. As a pioneer, I refuse my father. He created a clear counter-revolution. My father is not the defender of October. He helped kulukanov Arsentiy in every possible way. It was he who helped the fists escape. It was he who hid the kulak property so that the collective farmers would not get it ... I ask you to bring my father to severe responsibility so that others do not give the habit of defending the kulaks.

Later in the same document we read:

“The 12-year-old pioneer witness Pavel Morozov finished his testimony. No. It was not a witness statement. It was a merciless indictment by the young defender of socialism against those who stood on the side of the frenzied enemies of the proletarian revolution.
Trofim Morozov, exposed by his pioneer son, was sentenced to 10 years in prison for liaising with local kulaks, fabricating false documents for them, and hiding kulak property.
And when Pasha's grandfather, Sergei Morozov, hid kulak property, Pasha ran to the village council and exposed his grandfather.
In 1932, in the winter, Pasha brought the kulak Silin Arseniy to fresh water, who did not fulfill a firm task, and sold a cartload of potatoes to the kulaks. In the fall, the dispossessed Kulukanov stole 16 pounds of rye from the village Soviet field and again hid them from his father-in-law, Sergei Morozov. Pavel again exposed his grandfather and kulukanov.”

Let me remind you that in 1932 a terrible famine raged throughout the country, especially in rural areas, which claimed more than seven million lives. And denunciations of those who were forced to steal food in order not to die already speak eloquently about the moral character of the young informer. Naturally, in conditions when people are starving, and here a certain pioneer is constantly scribbling denunciations that someone sold a cartload of potatoes to someone or stole 16 pounds (260 kg) of rye, this could not but give rise to responses.

In September 1932, Pavlik, along with his brother Fyodor, were stabbed to death in the forest by their own relatives - grandfather Sergei (Trofim's father) and cousin Danila Morozov.

Here I note that there are several versions about the circumstances of the denunciation and subsequent trial of Pavlik's father and his relationship with his grandfather and other relatives. In this case, we are only interested in how it was presented in the official media by propaganda. And then what image was created from this schoolboy.

This image elevated ordinary informing to the rank of a heroic deed. So, from an early age, denunciation was encouraged among Soviet citizens, which a few years later in 1936-1938. will play its part in the course of mass repressions.

Such characters were elevated by Soviet propaganda to the rank of "heroes". In addition to the monuments already mentioned, many newspapers wrote about Morozov's "exploits", poems and songs were dedicated to him, streets in many cities, pioneer camps, etc. were named after him.
As you can see, the dead Morozov became a tool in the hands of propaganda.

However, less often they say that during his lifetime he became its victim. It is well known that people who are most exposed to propaganda are uneducated, inexperienced, with a lack of critical thinking. That was the 13-year-old teenager. Probably, he himself was so besotted by the propaganda that blinded him that he could no longer soberly assess the consequences of his actions.

Gelya Markizova


Photos of the leader with children were replicated in millions of copies, published in newspapers, books and magazines. A large number of posters were also created, where Stalin is next to the children or holds them in his arms. The propagandistic function of this kind of images is obvious: to show Stalin in the form of a loving and caring father. The image of a child will not cause rejection in anyone, and the consumer of propaganda, seeing this ostentatious care, should also be imbued with confidence in Stalin himself.

Subsequently, in the second half of the 1930s, the slogan “Thanks to Comrade Stalin for our happy childhood” also appeared, which was hung out in many schools and kindergartens.


Stalin with Gelya Markizova. 1936

It must be said that here the Soviet propaganda was not original. Images of the ruler with children were massively used in other countries at that time. Including, for example, many photographs of Hitler with children are known, where outwardly he does not at all resemble a criminal who destroyed millions of people. This is how propaganda creates the image of a “good ruler”.

The most famous and widespread is the photograph of Stalin with Gelya Markizova, a seven-year-old girl, the daughter of Ardan Markizov, People's Commissar for Agriculture of the Buryat-Mongolian Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic. It was made in January 1936 in the Kremlin at a solemn event, where the father took the girl with him. After the publication of this photo, the girl became a celebrity, she was envied, millions of other Soviet children wanted to be in her place.

She later recalled:

“The return to Ulan-Ude was triumphant - they met me, as later astronauts. Invited to all presidiums. I was very popular for a year and a half…”

However, this story had a continuation, knowing which, no one would want to be in the place of Geli Marquisova.

Already at the end of 1937, the girl's father, Ardan Marquizov, was arrested, accused of espionage and participation in a counter-revolutionary organization, and was shot on June 2, 1938. Soon after that, Geli's mother died under unclear circumstances: the official version spoke of the suicide of a woman who could not stand the death of her husband. So 9-year-old Gelya turned out to be an orphan.

The girl was adopted by her father's relatives, for security reasons they changed her surname and patronymic. Subsequently, Engelsina Sergeevna Cheshkova - that was the name of Gel in her mature years - said that soon after the arrest of her father, she wrote a letter to Stalin with her own hand, where she said that her father was no spy, and asked him to be released. But the girl did not wait for an answer.


Propaganda poster with a child

Meanwhile, millions of Soviet citizens in those years could not have known all this. Even after the death of Geli's parents, the photo continued to spread, a haircut like Geli's became popular among children and adolescents, posters were drawn on the basis of the photograph with the invariable caption "Thanks to Comrade Stalin for our happy childhood." Subsequently, this slogan began to be perceived as a symbol of the hypocrisy of the era. A lot of jokes have appeared on this topic among the people, one of which sounds like this:

“At the May Day demonstration, a column of very old people carries a banner: “Thank you, Comrade Stalin, for our happy childhood.”
A plainclothes man runs up to them:
- Are you kidding me? When you were children, Comrade Stalin was not yet born!
“That’s what I thank him for!”

As you can see, Geli's own childhood was not happy.
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  1. Old electrician
    Old electrician 16 January 2023 05: 59
    +26
    How cool the author showed a typical Soviet Mordor! So them, so! Whether business modern Russian propaganda! Watch modern Russian films. Their message is extremely simple: to rob suckers to the last thread is sacred, the more suckers you rob, the more honorable you are, the more valuable you are for the country. If your conscience does not allow you to rob others, then you yourself are a sucker. Morality boils down to a single rule: if someone stands between you and money, kill him. To be convinced of the success of such propaganda, it is enough to click on the “yachts of Russian businessmen” in the search engine. Well, the most important thing in modern propaganda: we don’t have the thirty-seventh year, but the time of Tsapkov.
    1. not the one
      not the one 16 January 2023 07: 22
      +33
      Watch modern Russian films.
      “If you care about your digestion, my good advice is not to talk about the modern cinematograph at dinner. And, God save you, do not watch modern Russian films before dinner, especially on a historical theme.
      “Hm… Why, there are no others.
      - Don't look at any. You know, I made 30 observations in my clinic. And what do you think? Patients who do not watch modern historical films feel great. Those whom I specifically forced to watch them, lost weight. Not enough of this. Decreased knee jerks, poor appetite, depressed state of mind.
      1. alekseykabanets
        alekseykabanets 16 January 2023 11: 50
        +21
        Quote: not the one
        If you care about your digestion...

        And even if you don’t care, don’t read the articles of this author either before lunch or after.))) For the article is an outright lie and hack-work. Let's start with the fact that Trofim Sergeevich Morozov was not arrested on the basis of a denunciation by Pavlik Morozov, but the reason for the arrest was the detention of two peasants with letterheads found with the seals of the Gerasimov Village Council, where Trofim Sergeevich Morozov was the chairman. In fact, Trofim Sergeevich Morozov was an ordinary corrupt official who sold certificates to kulaks, appropriated the property of the dispossessed, etc. etc. In addition, he left the family earlier, leaving his wife and four children. In general, the moral character is appropriate. The ex-wife and Pavlik were witnesses for the prosecution at the trial, nothing more.
    2. sadam2
      sadam2 16 January 2023 18: 24
      +4
      oh what times such and heroes. sledgehammer as a symbol of military prowess
    3. gsev
      gsev 18 January 2023 01: 05
      +2
      Quote: Old electrician
      Whether business modern Russian propaganda! Watch modern Russian films. Their message is very simple:

      So Putin is probably furious with the results of this work! As far as I know, these propagandists did nothing to reduce sympathy for communism among Russians between 1992 and 2021. But the heroes of serials like "Zuleikha" weaned people from trusting the state and encouraged and taught them to run away from the country and from duties at the slightest nix. How Putin treated Chulpanova, Galkin and Pugacheva. And how these highly paid PR people treat him, his power is not even pro-Ukrainian statements and unfastening to pay the punishers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (Galkin just screams about this), but running either to the West or to Moscow like Khamatova in his desire to fuck both from Putin and from Zelensky's patrons . In 1941, Khamatova, during the second defection, either the NKVD or the Gestapo would have been shot without trial, and Stalin would have sent several NKVD officers to the PMC for Khamatova's escape.
  2. parusnik
    parusnik 16 January 2023 06: 18
    +29
    About the film "Chapaev". The first prize "Silver Cup" of the 1st Moscow International Film Festival in 1935. "Best Foreign Language Film" by the US National Board of Film Critics in 1935. Grand Prix of the Paris World Exhibition in 1937. Bronze medal at the Venice Film Festival in 1946. Gold medal at the Lido International Film Festival, dedicated to the "Struggle of Peoples for Freedom and Independence" in honor of the 100th anniversary of the unification of Italy in 1961. According to a survey of film critics of the world, the film was included in the top hundred films of world cinema. And finally, the favorite film of Russian President Vladimir Putin. The author of the source you used did not know about it then, the source was published in the 90s.
    1. militarist63
      militarist63 18 January 2023 01: 15
      +7
      The author of the source you used did not know about it then, the source was published in the 90s.
      That's right! good The source was the department of hacks who abandoned their membership cards, slandering and falsifying everything Soviet, for the sake of the changed course ... negative

      There is also this:
      During his lifetime and in the first years after his death, this division commander was almost unknown, his merits differed little from the merits of dozens of other division commanders known only to colleagues during the Civil War. And therefore, they did not talk about him .............................................. ........ The historical Chapaev commanded an ordinary division, and his actions did not radically affect the course of the war. The death of Chapaev is also difficult to call something out of the ordinary in the conditions of 1919, when commanders and above his rank died.
      Only sources from the 90s didn’t tell this scribbler that the 25th Infantry Division under the command of V.I. Chapaev (and he only managed to command it for less than half a year) participated in three operations of the Eastern Front of the Red Army. .. and always successful! In the last of them (the Ufa operation), she was generally at the forefront of success! Of the formations of the front, only the 25th Rifle Division was the first to cross the Belaya River and seize a bridgehead ... Further, developing success, during fierce battles with Kolchak, the 25th Rifle Division (under the command of Chapaev) actually took Ufa in a day !!!
      And it turns out that such an insignificant commander was Chapaev that his division (after his death) was one of the first in the Red Army to become eminent, already from the beginning of October 1919, receiving the name 25th rifle division named after V. I. Chapaev! !! Can this author list dozens of other ordinary division commanders (in whose row he put Vasily Ivanovich), whose names (in 1918-22) were assigned to their "ordinary" divisions ?!
      1. TANKISTONE
        TANKISTONE 19 January 2023 21: 13
        0
        militarist63 (Viktor) Can this author list dozens of other ordinary division commanders (in whose row he put Vasily Ivanovich), whose names (in 1918-22) were assigned to their "ordinary" divisions ?! Try to list dozens of division commanders (full name) and their divisions (numbers, districts, operations, etc.) in a specific, given period of time ... In general, lately (3-5 years old) the subject of articles on IN. It seems that the admins are "changing shoes" on the go and we, the readers, are gradually being "changed shoes". As if, unobtrusively, they are preparing for betrayal. Or, an excuse for betrayal.
  3. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 16 January 2023 06: 21
    +23
    The historical Chapaev commanded an ordinary division, and his actions did not radically affect the course of the war.
    And the heroes of The Three Musketeers have little in common with real people, so what? However, they are very popular.

    According to "The case of the murder of pioneer Pavel Morozov", his speech was as follows: Further in the same document we read:
    “Uncle, let me tell you! It was I who filed a lawsuit against my father.
    Later in the same document we read:
    “The 12-year-old pioneer witness Pavel Morozov finished his testimony. No. It was not a witness statement. It was a merciless indictment of the young defender of socialism

    Yeah, that's what they usually write in a criminal case: "merciless indictment." Attracted by the author only with the aim of at least somehow substantiating these propaganda slogans and lies:
    Let me remind you that in 1932 a terrible famine raged throughout the country, especially in rural areas, which claimed more than seven million lives. And denunciations of those who were forced to steal food in order not to die already speak eloquently about the moral character of the young informer.

    Probably, he himself was so besotted by the propaganda that blinded him that he could no longer soberly assess the consequences of his actions.

    I'm surprised that the author didn't remember about "Khokhlodomor" ...

    As usual, anti-Soviet people are trying to expose all the repressed as innocent victims, although even the current SVO shows that there are some high-ranking ones for what!
    Already at the end of 1937, the girl's father, Ardan Marquizov, was arrested, accused of espionage and participation in a counter-revolutionary organization, and was shot on June 2, 1938.

    In general, the author himself is a propagandist, only an anti-Soviet, and as you know, anti-Soviet propaganda is built on lies, often stupid, inflating some facts and hushing up others.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 16 January 2023 06: 42
      +12
      In general, the author himself is a propagandist, only an anti-Soviet
      Yes, do not touch the author. laughing The author of the source used is different. And the real author prefers "alternative history", it is enough to compare his articles. smile
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 16 January 2023 06: 50
        +8
        Quote: parusnik
        The author of the source used is different. And the real author prefers "alternative history", it is enough to compare his articles.

        If you are talking about Samsonov, then he is not an anti-Soviet, but if about Shpakovsky, then the style is different, although the manner of misinterpreting and hushing up is similar ...
        1. ArchiPhil
          ArchiPhil 16 January 2023 08: 23
          +14
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          although the manner of misrepresenting and hushing up is similar ...

          The article is very similar to those that were published in * Ogonyok * of the late eighties and early nineties. However, in those days, the entire press and most of the population literally went crazy. But something of the past clearly ... * smelled *. hi
    2. shikin
      shikin 18 January 2023 23: 11
      +1
      Yes, I also liked it: a terrible famine raged in the country, and these figures stole a cartload of potatoes, 16 pounds of rye for sale. What, those who were stolen from did not have hunger? It's like looting in general.
  4. Korsar4
    Korsar4 16 January 2023 06: 39
    +9
    It’s even interesting: who from our time (for the last 30 years) is being made a role model. Where to look: sports? Heroes of a successful movie? Owners of expensive toys like football clubs?

    Who are the heroes of our time?

    By the way, Makanin's book with that title is quite interesting. In general, the author is good and observant.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 16 January 2023 08: 09
      +5
      Quote: Korsar4
      Who are the heroes of our time?

      At war.
      1. Waterways 672
        Waterways 672 16 January 2023 09: 02
        +21
        Two heroes of our time.
        On July 10, 2016, militants executed Lieutenant Magomed Nurbagandov in Dagestan. They started filming him and wanted him to urge his fellow policemen to retire. Instead, Nurbagandov uttered a phrase that has become the unspoken motto of all the security forces in Russia: “Work, brothers.”
        Pilot Roman Filipov died five years ago in Syria. On February 3, 2018, he flew a Su-25 attack aircraft on a combat mission in the territory controlled by militants. The plane was shot down, Filipov ejected, on the ground he was surrounded by terrorists. The pilot tried to shoot back, was wounded. Not wanting to give up, he let the militants get closer and shouted “This is for the boys!” detonated a grenade.
    2. alekseykabanets
      alekseykabanets 16 January 2023 11: 37
      +9
      Quote: Korsar4
      Who are the heroes of our time?

      Well, for example, Hero of Labor Rotenberg? No, not impressive? ))))
      1. nerd.su
        nerd.su 16 January 2023 23: 20
        +3
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        Well, for example, Hero of Labor Rotenberg? No, not impressive?

        I understand the message. But at the same time, Rotenberg coped with the construction of the Crimean bridge, for example ... without turning it into another spaceport. It may not be a hero, but...
    3. Catfish
      Catfish 16 January 2023 12: 34
      +5
      Who are the heroes of our time?


      Perhaps they?



      Good day, Sergey. smile
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 16 January 2023 13: 48
        +2
        Good afternoon, Konstantin!

        Nevertheless, it is important to know from the inside - what is happening and how.

        You look around you - and there are a lot of interesting people. And such eccentrics come across that comments can go beyond what is permitted.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 16 January 2023 14: 44
          +3
          And such eccentrics come across that comments can go beyond what is permitted.

          So at least there were some comments. Look, while 4x4 and not a single minus player has explained what he did not like. I did not praise or scold "Musicians", I just asked a question. And what is the conclusion? Someone in our time correctly noted that it is much easier to poke a finger into a key than to make your brains move.
          "I'm sad, private" (c)
          1. alekseykabanets
            alekseykabanets 16 January 2023 17: 02
            +2
            Hello Konstantin!
            Quote: Sea Cat
            I did not praise or scold "Musicians", I just asked a question. And what is the conclusion?

            A provocative question.))) I did not put either + or -. Of course, there are heroes among the "musicians", but a mercenary always remains a mercenary and there is no fundamental difference between Roman mercenaries, some kind of landsknechts, Blackwaters and "musicians". And the worst thing is that in our country, the oligarchs today, bypassing all laws, can create private armies. And how they will be used in the future, one can only guess.
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 16 January 2023 18: 12
              +5
              Good evening, Alex. hi
              Provocative question.)))

              I had no doubt that they would instruct the minuses, but I was just wondering if anyone could justify this sign? Vain hopes. Hamsters, they are hamsters. laughing
              Regarding mercenaries and mercenaries in general, I almost agree with you, "almost" - this is because a real professional should receive real money. What they are now proving, working, practically, on the tip of a dagger. You will not put an equal sign between them and some army contract soldiers. Although armies are now, in principle, built on the basis of a contract.
              And how they will be used in the future, one can only guess.

              Yes, you can buy anyone, remember the tankers who, for a "one-time allowance", thrashed the White House from their tanks.
          2. Korsar4
            Korsar4 16 January 2023 21: 08
            +2
            On the tablet does not show statistics. Yes, okay.

            And you don't always want to turn inside out. Even if it's just letters on a keyboard.
    4. Boson
      Boson 17 January 2023 22: 01
      0
      It’s even interesting: who from our time (for the last 30 years) is being made a role model. Where to look: sports? Heroes of a successful movie?

      Bodrov.
  5. not the one
    not the one 16 January 2023 07: 28
    +14
    The death of Chapaev is also difficult to call something out of the ordinary in the conditions of 1919, when commanders and above his rank died.
    Yes, but I consider the raid of the commander of the 6th division of the Ural separate army, Colonel Borodin, exemplary in terms of military planning.
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 16 January 2023 07: 42
      +11
      There are no exceptions for the commandment: "Do not make yourself an idol." And in the conditions of the Civil War - only bitterness.
      1. not the one
        not the one 16 January 2023 09: 02
        +14
        "Do not make yourself an idol"
        I always tried to adhere to this wise (in my humble opinion) rule .. Yes, there is nothing worse than the Civil, so all my relatives who made her say so to me, quite a kid .. Our family was then divided approximately equally into "whites" and "reds" "... When I watch Quiet Don, I still can't decide who I myself would be for ... A wise film ...
        “We have one road, but everyone travels differently ...” Grigory spoke again, grimacing and trying in vain to catch an apricot sliding on a plate with a fork. - One gets down closer, the other goes further, sort of like on a train ...
        1. ArchiPhil
          ArchiPhil 16 January 2023 09: 12
          +14
          Quote: not the one
          “We have one road, but everyone travels differently ...” Grigory spoke again, grimacing and trying in vain to catch an apricot sliding on a plate with a fork.

          There is a wonderful novel by Andrey Gubin * She-wolf's milk *. Theme? About how the Civil War went through the family of the Terek Cossacks. I even recommend it, really. hi
          1. not the one
            not the one 16 January 2023 09: 33
            +14
            Thank you, I’ve read it already ... I read and watched a lot of things - it’s such a painful topic for me ... how should I say it ... painful, or something ... For understanding - remember the scene from the already mentioned film "Quiet Flows the Don" "Where did Koshevoy Melekhov shot? Here are a lot of examples of such ... More than a century has passed, and many of the relatives still do not communicate with each other ...
          2. bubalik
            bubalik 16 January 2023 11: 10
            +12
            wonderful romance

            Cherry pool, M. Alekseev. recommend hi
            1. alekc75
              alekc75 16 January 2023 15: 06
              +6
              there is one book, men and women. I don’t remember the author, people should read it now.
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 16 January 2023 15: 27
                +6
                there is one book, men and women. I don’t remember the author
                Boris Mozhaev.
  6. kor1vet1974
    kor1vet1974 16 January 2023 07: 58
    +16
    One of the many monuments to Pavlik Morozov. Sverdlovsk (Yekaterinburg). Now demolished
    And how to evaluate this demolition? Like an act of vandalism or an act of de-Sovietization and decommunization? According to the author, they really did that they killed the child, and brutally, and not fic to knock .. smile
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 16 January 2023 08: 25
      +13
      Quote: kor1vet1974
      According to the author, they really did that they killed the child, and brutally, and not fic to knock ..

      Anti-Soviet - they are so ...
    2. Korsar4
      Korsar4 16 January 2023 08: 33
      +7
      The version voiced by Puchkov ("Goblin"), that the reason is domestic, has the right to exist.

      Another thing is that in any case we evaluate, based primarily on the first commandment.
      1. Grim Reaper
        Grim Reaper 16 January 2023 21: 32
        +3
        Quote: Korsar4
        The version voiced by Puchkov ("Goblin"), that the reason is domestic, has the right to exist.

        Another thing is that in any case we evaluate, based primarily on the first commandment.


        I am the Lord your God, and may you have no other gods but me. (1 commandment)
        What do you mean by that?
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 17 January 2023 03: 59
          +3
          We are all different. And we choose gods according to our deeds.
          1. Fat
            Fat 19 January 2023 01: 20
            0
            Greetings Anton hi
            Quote: 3x3zsave
            We are all different. And we choose gods according to our deeds.

            ++++++++ ! good
  7. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 16 January 2023 08: 28
    +19
    I will remind you that in 1932 throughout the country, especially in rural areas, a terrible famine raged,
    Well, actually, not throughout "the whole country", but in its black earth zone, where, due to agricultural technology, they plowed on oxen. So they were eaten, so the sowing failed. See the work of Yu.I. Mukhin.
    1. kor1vet1974
      kor1vet1974 16 January 2023 08: 44
      +11
      Steinbeck, "The Grapes of Wrath" apparently wrote in the USSR, describing the famine in the USA and the ruin of farmers, moreover, purposefully .. smile
      1. kor1vet1974
        kor1vet1974 16 January 2023 12: 29
        +9
        The cons were probably put by those who believe that there was no famine in the USA, Steinbeck lied everything laughing
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 16 January 2023 12: 43
          +5
          Minuses are put by idiots who themselves cannot write the word "still" without 4 errors.
      2. Korsar4
        Korsar4 16 January 2023 14: 03
        +8
        Even as a child, The Grapes of Wrath made a strong impression.
  8. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 16 January 2023 08: 34
    +16
    The historical Chapaev commanded an ordinary division, and his actions did not radically affect the course of the war. The death of Chapaev is also difficult to call something out of the ordinary in the conditions of 1919, when commanders and above his rank died.

    So little known before, the division commander became a popular favorite and one of the most famous participants in the Civil War, about whom many jokes were later invented.
    And why, in order to become a people's favorite, one must certainly be a great commander, or it’s beautiful to die there ?! It's just that his image is closest to this people. But Schweik is generally a collective image and did not even reach the front. Pelevin wrote one of his best novels "Chapaev and Emptiness" already in the 90s. And we, being students, consumed crackers "Chapaevsky" with beer in the early 2000s. drinks
    So hands off Vasily Ivanovich, nothing to do with propaganda! am
    1. not the one
      not the one 16 January 2023 09: 19
      +13
      hands off Vasily Ivanovich
      Argument. It's hard to argue, and I won't - there is no desire.
      This is for you
      croutons "Chapaevskie"
      To health ... In general, what I wanted to say about the Civil .. there was such a comrade Lucian, an ancient Greek writer, so he said well, I’ll sign, perhaps -
      In civil war, every victory is defeated.
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 16 January 2023 09: 42
        +8
        Quote: not the one
        This is for you crackers "Chapaevsky" To your health ...
        Thanks to. I don’t know about beer, but on a pack of crackers (Chapsa), it was printed in plain text that the legendary divisional commander had a bite to eat on halts, between battles, reflecting on paradise life on a global scale drinks hi
        1. Dkuznecov
          Dkuznecov 16 January 2023 22: 45
          +3
          And he probably chopped them (crackers) with a saber.
  9. Non-fighter
    Non-fighter 16 January 2023 08: 55
    +19
    And denunciations of those who were forced to steal food in order not to die already speak eloquently about the moral character of the young informer.

    But please here in more detail. How many people died of starvation in the same Kulukanov's family?
    And about the theft of crops from the collective farm field. If my memory serves me right, then the harvest in those years was bought "on the vine" in the spring, that is, everything grown in this field belonged to the state, but locally they "helped" to harvest. The "decree on three spikelets," as our liberals often called it, did not appear out of nowhere.
    That is, in fact, we have hunger in the country, but the kulaks, besides the exiles (read already lit up), steal food from the rest.
    1. gsev
      gsev 17 January 2023 23: 02
      -3
      Quote: Not the fighter
      That is, in fact, we have hunger in the country, but the kulaks, besides the exiles (read already lit up), steal food from the rest.

      It would be more correct to say that the fists tried to prevent them from stealing everything and, in order to prevent them from dying of hunger, they tried to prevent the thieves (state) from stealing everything. My grandfather stole on the collective farm and his descendants are alive. Kum did not steal on the collective farm and his whole family died of hunger. Theft on the collective farm is the restoration of socialist legality (to each according to his ability) and the correction of the excesses of the central government in the field (at least a living wage must be paid for work).
      1. Foul skeptic
        Foul skeptic 18 January 2023 15: 05
        +4
        My grandfather stole on the collective farm and his descendants are alive. Kum did not steal on the collective farm and his whole family died of hunger.

        The godfather's family died out not because they "didn't steal," but because "my grandfather stole."
  10. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 16 January 2023 09: 06
    +9
    And denunciations of those who were forced to steal food in order not to die already speak eloquently about the moral character of the young informer.
    even the very liberal "Amateur" does not support such a blizzard. Just below a couple of clippings from there
    In 1931, Trofim Morozov was sentenced to 10 years for various abuses: in addition to speculating with certificates, he also appropriated confiscated property. According to the surviving documents, Pavlik, as the eldest son, testified before the court and confirmed that his father treated his mother badly, beat him, but it was unlikely that he denounced his father. Moreover, some researchers involved in this story believe that the boy did not appear before the court in person, they simply read out what he said. Assumptions that there was a denunciation from his son were based on the words of the investigator in this case, Elizar Shepelev, but later he himself retracted this assertion.

    well, a couple of versions
    Version 1
    It is possible that the boys were really killed out of revenge, but the main reason was not that Pavlik had betrayed his father. The fact is that the grandfather, Sergey Morozov, handed over the land allotment to his son when he got married. Since Trofim was imprisoned, the land was to go to the eldest son, Pavel. It is possible that Sergei Morozov was driven by the desire to return the land to himself.

    Version 2
    There is a version that Pavlik really denounced his father, but his motives were different from the pioneer ideology. The father, like the grandfather, was distinguished by a stern disposition, Trofim Morozov beat his wife and children, drank, and the boy just wanted to take revenge on him. And only then grandfather, grandmother and cousin took revenge on him.
    Completely here https://diletant.media/articles/34226264/
  11. tatra
    tatra 16 January 2023 09: 11
    +12
    With their anti-Soviet enemies of the USSR, they proved everything about themselves. So, being spiteful against Pavlik Morozov, who was killed because he told the truth about the criminals, they proved that they are for criminals and for killing children.
    Justifying those who stole collective farm grain, they proved that it was perfectly normal for them to steal from the State.
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    2. Boris55
      Boris55 16 January 2023 09: 28
      +8
      Irina, here people doubt. Are you for the Bolsheviks or for the Communists?
      An excerpt from the movie Chapaev: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9sm_EJq5-Y

      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 16 January 2023 15: 59
        +6
        Are you for the Bolsheviks or for the Communists?
        In the memoirs of our famous organizer of the partisan movement S.A. Vaupshasov this question is explained. In the early 20s, adherents of Lenin were called Bolsheviks, and Trotskyists were called communists.
    3. ivan2022
      ivan2022 16 January 2023 09: 45
      +7
      The Bible says: "your domestic enemies are yours." Thus, Soviet propaganda is closer to Christian values ​​in essence. Than modern, promoting paganism.

      The story of Pavlik Morozov is the story of a society that for a thousand years has not been able to get away from pagan values.

      From the author's point of view, speaking out against a corrupt father and a thief is a crime, and killing two children in the forest is not a crime....

      The children of the oligarchs will have to take revenge on the Russian people and will also take revenge for the hostility towards their fathers. The author is on their side in advance!
      1. gsev
        gsev 17 January 2023 23: 13
        -4
        Quote: ivan2022
        From the author's point of view, speaking out against a corrupt father and a thief is a crime, and killing two children in the forest is not a crime....

        The children of the oligarchs will have to take revenge on the Russian people and will also take revenge for the hostility towards their fathers. The author is on their side in advance!

        The man helped people escape from exile and escape from starvation. A denunciation of this is the murder of entire families. Dozens of lives could have been saved by killing such an informer. Here, most likely, there was not revenge, but the desire to cleanse the village world from an idiot who could destroy the entire village. In the end, such a withdrawal of food from the grower of the crop that the producer is doomed to starvation is neither state expediency, nor state necessity, nor the norm of communist or socialist morality. Around 4th grade, we had a lesson about pioneer heroes. The teacher said that there is a museum of Morozov in his native village. One boy said that his parents took him to this museum. The teacher instructed him to tell about the visit. After his answer, she chided him for appearances that he should have talked with the villagers and told additional details. His answer was interesting: "The guide strongly recommended to stay away from the locals and not to talk to them about P. Morozov." There were so many precedents when the locals spoke frankly about P. Morozov that for malicious anti-Sovietism, according to the law, the whole village had to be repressed a hundred times, and all sightseers should be released from P. Morozov’s homeland only after interrogations and speeches in court over slanderers on the glorious denunciation of the pioneer Pavlik.
        1. Foul skeptic
          Foul skeptic 18 January 2023 15: 17
          +2
          In the end, such a withdrawal of food from the grower of the crop that the producer is doomed to starvation is neither state expediency, nor state necessity, nor the norm of communist or socialist morality.

          That is, in the second year after the introduction of contracting agreements in the country, all the peasants died?
        2. place
          place 25 January 2023 15: 54
          +1
          Quote: gsev
          Quote: ivan2022
          From the author's point of view, speaking out against a corrupt father and a thief is a crime, and killing two children in the forest is not a crime....

          The children of the oligarchs will have to take revenge on the Russian people and will also take revenge for the hostility towards their fathers. The author is on their side in advance!

          The man helped people escape from exile and escape from starvation. A denunciation of this is the murder of entire families. Dozens of lives could have been saved by killing such an informer. ..... After his answer, she pretended to reproach him that he should have talked with the villagers and told additional details. His answer was interesting: "The guide strongly recommended to stay away from the locals and not to talk to them about P. Morozov." There were so many precedents when the locals spoke frankly about P. Morozov that for malicious anti-Sovietism, according to the law, the whole village had to be repressed a hundred times, and all sightseers should be released from P. Morozov’s homeland only after interrogations and speeches in court over slanderers on the glorious denunciation of the pioneer Pavlik.

          There was no "denunciation". Morozov was arrested because they found blank forms of certificates from strangers.
          "Man helped" - he is a man, but a child and his brother of 8 years old are not people?
          By the way, what, according to Soviet laws, it was supposed to send all good people into exile, and release all the bad people from there?
          Question ; and you yourself probably also consider yourself a man? Aren't you afraid that someone like you will also want to lynch the world - just "cleanse the world", not even wanting revenge? I can quite imagine...
    4. kalibr
      kalibr 16 January 2023 22: 03
      -6
      Quote: tatra
      it is perfectly normal to steal from the State.

      So after all, no matter how much you steal from him, you can’t return what was stolen from you!
    5. ivan2022
      ivan2022 25 January 2023 19: 53
      0
      Quote: tatra
      ..... it is perfectly normal for them to steal from the State.

      You are essentially right, although collective-farm is not state-owned. And the theft of everything public is considered normal in our country since the time before the Tsar the Terrible.

      According to the "Russian Truth" of the 15th century, a personal offense was considered a crime, and not a violation of the Law, as in our time.

      But some in particular
      someone "kalibr" and today adhere to the old-fashioned feudal legislation.

      There is such a story from A.P. Chekhov - "Intruder" .... There, the peasant unscrewed the nuts from the rails on the railway and could not understand why he was arrested, although he did not offend anyone ....
  12. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 16 January 2023 09: 47
    +4
    In principle, the phenomenon of Chapaev's popularity is easily explained, given the lack of information and the low circulation of Soviet cinema of those years. As an iconic figure in the place of Vasily Ivanovich, any paint of the "second echelon" who did not live to see the end of the Civil War could become. For example, Shchors or Lazo.
    1. ArchiPhil
      ArchiPhil 16 January 2023 10: 26
      +2
      Quote: 3x3zsave
      For example, Shchors or Lazo.

      Perhaps. But? Thanks to the wonderful film by the Vasilievs, Vasily Ivanych nevertheless became an iconic figure. A film was also made about Shchors. In 1939. The director, not just anyone, but Alexander Dovzhenko himself! ? Not remembered, alas. hi
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 16 January 2023 10: 45
        +1
        That's why they didn't remember that he was the first about Chapaev! For example, do you remember such a film "The First Horse"?
        1. ArchiPhil
          ArchiPhil 16 January 2023 12: 12
          +3
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          That's why they didn't remember that he was the first about Chapaev!

          Nope. They didn’t remember because they simply didn’t reach the level of * Chapaev *. By the way, you can see that in * Chapaev * there are a lot of secondary, but! Colorful characters. You can notice a lot of phrases that * went to the people *. and * Sergey Lazo * I would not dare to say this. bully
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          For example, do you remember such a film "The First Horse"?

          No. I remember * Alexander Parkhomenko *. Why? Yes, for the reasons mentioned above. Filmed with talent. hi
          Yes, and the song is there! Wonderfully good! * Lizaveta *. bully
        2. setter
          setter 16 January 2023 12: 17
          +5
          For example, do you remember such a film "The First Horse"?

          Which of the two - 1941 or 1984.
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 16 January 2023 12: 19
            +4
            Which of the two - 1941 or 1984.
            The second one, I didn't see the first one.
            1. setter
              setter 16 January 2023 12: 30
              +1
              Nobody saw the first one, it never came out on the screens, the release date was postponed twice. The footage was lost during the evacuation of Mosfilm, although some fragments are found in documentary films. But it was a very large-scale project, a kind of mass glorification. Stalin personally approved the script. Eisenstein and Romm were personally responsible for the implementation, but they could not implement it before the war, starting shooting in 1939. And then the war...
              1. bubalik
                bubalik 16 January 2023 12: 38
                +8
                Good afternoon. hi
                material lost

                , ,, it is on the Internet request
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                2. setter
                  setter 16 January 2023 13: 13
                  +3
                  I meant negative (original). Yes, and from the edited film, several parts are also lost.
                  1. bubalik
                    bubalik 16 January 2023 13: 27
                    +5
                    setter
                    Today, 14

                    Thanks, okay. yes
              2. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 16 January 2023 12: 41
                +3
                Well, the second was almost the last film about the Civil War, filmed in the USSR.
              3. kor1vet1974
                kor1vet1974 16 January 2023 13: 04
                +4
                The film was shot fairly quickly, but was constantly being finalized.
              4. setter
                setter 16 January 2023 13: 21
                +1
                A question for the minus organisms - how many of you have heard about the existence of the film "The First Horse" in general and the film of 1941 in particular until today? Try not to lie when answering - suddenly it will work out.
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 16 January 2023 13: 44
                  +4
                  Victims of social networks, except for likes and dislikes, are not trained to communicate.
                2. kor1vet1974
                  kor1vet1974 16 January 2023 14: 07
                  +4
                  Question for minus organisms
                  They don’t know what they are doing .. God be with them, there was also a TV show The First Equestrian, yes, it was not a movie ... But I remember it ..
                3. Sofievka
                  Sofievka 22 January 2023 23: 53
                  0
                  1984 was remembered for crazy attacks, I haven’t seen anything like this anywhere else, I was hooked
            2. kor1vet1974
              kor1vet1974 16 January 2023 12: 35
              +1
              I didn't see the first one
              He did not appear on the screens of the country, he was sent for revision, and then the war. And I remember the second one, it was announced in the TV show Satellite of the Moviegoer, as soon as it appeared on the screens of city cinemas, I went to see it ..
            3. Catfish
              Catfish 16 January 2023 12: 58
              +2
              Hello Anton. smile

              I haven't seen them both, and for some reason I don't feel regrets. Probably, in childhood, they were fed with films on this topic. Propaganda, it is also good in moderation, then just rejection comes.
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 16 January 2023 13: 09
                +2
                Hi Uncle Kostya!
                Yes, there was no special propaganda. An episode of the Civil War is described. You can't say Gone with the Wind is Confederate propaganda.
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 16 January 2023 14: 47
                  0
                  Yes, this is understandable, I mean that you can’t eat the same food all the time, in the end, no matter how you like it, you will vomit from it, the organon will work itself out.
                  1. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 16 January 2023 15: 02
                    +2
                    Isn't that why American cinema went like a bullet into manure?
                    I remember in 89 they brought King Kong to our cinema, people stood in the aisles!
                    1. Catfish
                      Catfish 16 January 2023 15: 34
                      +2
                      brought to our cinema "King Kong"


                      Believe it or not, I didn't see him. laughing
                      1. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 16 January 2023 15: 46
                        +2
                        Why don't I believe it, it's quite possible. The mother of my children "Irony of Fate" managed to watch at the age of forty.
                      2. Catfish
                        Catfish 16 January 2023 17: 43
                        +1
                        There is some difference between this and that. laughing
              2. setter
                setter 16 January 2023 13: 30
                +5
                I haven't seen them both, and for some reason I don't feel regrets. Probably, in childhood, they were fed with films on this topic. Propaganda, it is also good in moderation, then just rejection comes.

                It is clearly seen here that propaganda is a complex and multifaceted process. It is possible to prepare a high-quality product that, on the one hand, has a propaganda effect, and, on the other hand, promotes the "growth of the masses above themselves."
                Or, on the contrary, it is possible to flood the information space with primitive propaganda that contributes to mass stupidity, which is very clearly demonstrated by the VO website.
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 16 January 2023 19: 53
                  +2
                  Vic, hi. hi
                  which is very clearly demonstrated by the VO website.

                  If the site is so good, then why do you sit on it every single day? What's the problem? request
                  1. setter
                    setter 16 January 2023 23: 28
                    +1
                    What is the problem?


                    If you are really interested in this question, you will find an exhaustive answer in the implication of his private secretary in a tax fraud
                    endorsement of a letter relating to the Whiskey Ring received 29 July 1875, in EP Oberholtzer History of the United States Since the Civil War (1937) vol. 3, ch. nineteen.
                    1. Catfish
                      Catfish 17 January 2023 12: 30
                      +2
                      I am not strong in English, the translator does not work, and reading with Google translation is a known problem. So, it turns out, I didn’t get an answer, whether it doesn’t matter, in general, I guess. Sadly.
      2. Catfish
        Catfish 16 January 2023 12: 46
        +3
        Hi, Seryozha. smile

        In 1942, two films "Kotovsky" and "Parhomenko" were shot, apparently making up for the lack of propaganda. Be that as it may, in childhood they looked with delight. smile

        1. ArchiPhil
          ArchiPhil 16 January 2023 15: 19
          +4
          Quote: Sea Cat
          two films "Kotovsky" and "Parkhomenko" were shot

          Hi Konstantin!
          It seems to me that we * lost our way * a little. That's honest. Can the film * Chapaev * be called propaganda at all? Yes, about * a man with a gun *! But about a man. Subsequent films about paintballs? Well, it just went like this * trick *. That's all! Let's remember the sixties, how historical films were flooded from Hollywood. Chapaev *? And what * Chapaev *? And today you can watch with pleasure. hi
          1. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 16 January 2023 15: 41
            +3
            Quote: ArchiPhil
            There is a talented film about a man. Yes, about * a man with a gun *! But about a man.
            I would add "about a man from the people", so the people fell in love with him, right down to the jokes. Because it's your own, not red, or white there. And it doesn't matter what Chapaev was like in real life. We were told at the military department that he was more in a staff car, and not with a saber on a horse, but what a difference now. lol
            1. ArchiPhil
              ArchiPhil 16 January 2023 16: 07
              +4
              Quote: Stirbjorn
              I would add "about a man from the people", so the people fell in love with him, right down to the jokes. Because it's your own, not red, or white there.

              I absolutely agree with you!
              Yes, and jokes are also a kind of indicator. Do we know a lot of jokes about Yeltsin, Chubais, Putin and other characters? They compose about those they love. hi
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 16 January 2023 18: 17
                +1
                .How many jokes do we know about Yeltsin, Chubais, Putin and other characters

                They also compose about these, but for some reason they are exceptionally vicious.
          2. Catfish
            Catfish 16 January 2023 15: 46
            +3
            I am "Chapaev" and now I am revisiting it with pleasure, and as a child I was simply delighted with the "Psychic" attack of the Kappelites, "They are going beautifully" - "Intelligentsia" (c) smile
            And "Hollywood" is all passing, with rare exceptions. hi
          3. gsev
            gsev 17 January 2023 23: 39
            -1
            Quote: ArchiPhil
            Is it even possible to call the film * Chapaev * propaganda?

            There are several important elements there. Petka is punished for arbitrariness and excesses with the peasants. Komissao and Chapaev restore justice. The commissar stops the arbitrariness of Chapaev, who is trying to force the physician to issue a diploma to a non-professional. There, it is not shown by the example of the White Army that unreasonable repressions cause treason in its ranks and lead to defeat, despite the selfless courage and devotion of the rest of the White Army employees. And Petka's human mercy to the class enemy makes the enemy a valuable intelligence officer for Chapaev. The film corrected the communist system in the direction of popular morality and did it without humiliating either communism or the Red Army. The film contributed to the strengthening of the Soviet state, the cleansing of the NKVD from rogues, science from Lysenkoism from this point of view, it is agitational and pro-communist. But on the other hand, he does not campaign for all the mistakes of Stalin and Yezhov.
    2. bubalik
      bubalik 16 January 2023 11: 22
      +3
      Streets in many cities and towns were named after him.
      ,, recalled that in his small homeland he lived at the intersection of Chapaev and Voroshilov streets winked
    3. bubalik
      bubalik 16 January 2023 11: 31
      +3
      ,,, or the political situation, mind you what was called before the release of the film.
      During the Civil War, it was renamed Trotsk in honor of L. D. Trotsky (1879-1940), at that time one of the most famous figures in the party. After the expulsion of Trotsky from the country in 1929, it was renamed Chapaevsk, after the name of V.I., a participant in the Civil War. Chapaeva
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 16 January 2023 11: 45
        +2
        ,,, or political conjuncture,
        And this may be. For Lazo, the origin let us down, for Shchors - the circumstances of death.
        1. bubalik
          bubalik 16 January 2023 12: 46
          +4
          Shchorsa - circumstances of death
          . . the Shchorsa park is also there.
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 16 January 2023 12: 52
            +3
            I did not even doubt that he was buried in Samara. By the way, I have been to this park.
            1. bubalik
              bubalik 16 January 2023 13: 01
              +3
              ,He was buried in Samara allegedly because of the residence of the parents of Shchors's wife at that time, who could take care of the grave. Actually on the territory of the former cemetery, where the commander was buried and the park is located.
              ,, most likely, it is not far from the railway.
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 16 January 2023 13: 04
                +2
                ,,, most likely, it is not far from the railway.
                And from the river station?
                1. bubalik
                  bubalik 16 January 2023 13: 31
                  +4
                  And from the river station?

                  No, not far. It's not the same for everybody feel
                  1. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 16 January 2023 13: 38
                    +2
                    So it certainly has been. Is the city beach still on the other side of the Volga?
                    1. bubalik
                      bubalik 16 January 2023 18: 08
                      +3
                      ,, no, the city from the rechport begins.
                      There are beaches on the other side too. bully
                      1. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 16 January 2023 18: 30
                        +2
                        Ah, well, it means that in 82 there was something cleaner. Because my aunt drove us exclusively to the right bank. I remember the river tram, the first ship on which I did not puke, there was no vestibule as a child.
    4. place
      place 25 January 2023 16: 11
      +1
      Quote: 3x3zsave
      In principle, the phenomenon of Chapaev's popularity can be easily explained,

      Thank you Lord, that we will explain ...... But the writer A. Faddeev wrote in essays about the Civil War that some heroes were popular in Russian villages simply because they could cut a person from the crown to the waist with one blow. The author's miserable attempts to turn Chapaev into an anti-hero are evidence of an absolute ignorance of our realities. The merit of the film is that it created a popular image of a true hero, and not a primitive "skull crusher and a splitter to the navel."
  13. populist
    populist 16 January 2023 09: 54
    +2
    For a long time there was no such anti-Soviet exhaust.
  14. vovochkarzhevsky
    vovochkarzhevsky 16 January 2023 10: 32
    +15
    Come on. Quite an article in the spirit of the times and which allegedly does not have an official ideology.
    Do not scold the author, as for me, so you even need to reward. yes

  15. setter
    setter 16 January 2023 11: 34
    +5
    Creation of new heroes by Soviet propaganda

    The author should note that such a phenomenon as glorification, that is, "the artificial process of choosing the most acceptable figures as reference figures, based on the demands of society, determined by the situation," is characteristic not only of Soviet, but of any propaganda. History shows that certain actions are needed to strengthen the resilience of the state in difficult situations. And the hero is very suitable for this.
    Society needs heroes because they help define the limits of that very society's aspirations. Hence the conclusion - what aspirations - such are the heroes.
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 16 January 2023 14: 23
      +8
      "The country of dreamers, the country of scientists" (c).

      Once again I am convinced that the stratification is increasing. Down to estates.
  16. solar
    solar 16 January 2023 13: 18
    +4
    Chapaev was used in propaganda not only in the thirties.

    Regarding Pavlik Morozov, there is no reason to state that he denounced his father. In fact, blank letterheads of the village council with seals were found on the detainee at the station, the case was untwisted and not only Father Morozov, but also others were imprisoned.
    About his statements.
    In the indictment in the case of the murder of the Morozovs, investigator Elizar Vasilyevich Shepelev recorded that "Pavel Morozov filed an application with the investigating authorities on November 25, 1931." In an interview with journalist Veronika Kononenko and Senior Counsel for Justice Igor Titov, Shepelev said:

    I can’t understand why on earth I wrote all this, there is no evidence in the case that the boy applied to the investigating authorities and that it was for this that he was killed. Probably, I meant that Pavel testified to the judge when Trofim was tried ... It turns out that because of my inaccurately written words, the boy is now accused of denunciation ?! But is helping the investigation or being a witness in court a crime? And is it possible to accuse a person of anything because of one phrase?[8]

    Relations with his father and other relatives of his father were bad, his father abandoned his mother - it is clear that the child could not say anything good about his father, even though he was a pioneer, at least not (and his father was actually a former red commander, he fought in civilian life), yes and it didn't matter—there were other proofs, quite real forms of the village soviet with seals, other testimonies, and not childish chatter. My father was sentenced to 10 years, built the White Sea Canal, was actually released three years later, while giving the order.
  17. place
    place 16 January 2023 13: 33
    +4
    Actually, art and propaganda should not "truthfully show what is in life." Because people see it every day.
    They should show how the transition from "what is" to what should be takes place. For example, today the main theme is "unlimited" crime and the same sexual debauchery. As they say "everybody dance!"
  18. Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 16 January 2023 14: 57
    +15
    I read the article and thought: what is it, in fact? About the falseness of propaganda in general? About the deceitfulness of Soviet propaganda? About the insignificance of the heroes of Soviet propaganda? And I got the impression that either the author had gone astray, or deliberately deviated into the path of a "whistleblower" in the style of the late eighties.
    In short, then:
    Chapaev was both known and respected, at least in those places where he acted. People went to him to fight under his command. Smart, energetic, managerial, ambitious, resolute and personally brave - a complete set of qualities of a truly national leader. Quite clearly, he showed himself as a military leader. He was popular both among the troops and among the population. Well worthy of heroism. Let the author name a more worthy, in his opinion, hero, whom propaganda bypassed.
    There is no complete clarity about Pavlik Morozov. It is not known whether he wrote statements against his father, it is only known that he testified against him. But what a derogatory assessment the author gives to this boy!
    denunciations of those who were forced to steal food in order not to die already speak eloquently about the moral character of the young informer.

    This image elevated ordinary informing to the rank of a heroic deed. So, from an early age, denunciation was encouraged among Soviet citizens, which a few years later in 1936-1938. will play its part in the course of mass repressions.

    But imagine yourself in the place of a village boy, whose father is the chairman of the village council! - every day he gets drunk to the green devils and beats his mother and himself with a mortal battle, and there is no justice for him. But the village is a special world, where everything is in full view of everyone, what you yourself will not see, then the neighbors will tell you. This is a school (and teachers in it), and joint games with boys and overheard conversations of adults ...
    How would the author react to the head of some colony who would release prisoners for bribes, giving them the necessary documents? Well, how can we justify the direct theft of bread (there was no famine in those places, but it was in other regions)?
    Tell me, colleagues, how will we now react to a child who exposed his father, who steals money, for example, intended for hospitals or social benefits? Moreover, he maintains a mistress with this money, kyrosinitis every day and doubles his wife and children, why in vain? I will say one thing - if there were more such children - there would be fewer thieves.
    So the glorification of the image of Chapaev and Morozov did not occur from scratch. People with such qualities were needed then, they are needed now. Can you imagine how much money a dozen of these Morozovs will save the state, who turned out to be at the right time in the right place? Especially if they report to Chapaev? smile
    Well, about the girl in Stalin's arms - today I heard her last name for the second time in my life. The first - thirty years ago and safely forgotten. A photo with Stalin is a PR exclusively for Stalin, but not for a girl. I’m wondering: according to the author, did Stalin have the right to create his own positive image among the people? Or was it supposed to be presented as a ghoul who eats such girls for breakfast? Or maybe the whole truth should have been revealed to the people? About the intrigues within the party, the true economic and political situation, the entertainment of the elite, well, amorous adventures, drinking, family squabbles, etc.?
    In short: the article, in my opinion, did not succeed at all. In every sense - and as an attempt to express an opinion on propaganda - where is it, this opinion? - and as an attempt to "debunk" the Soviet heroes - they have not been watered with any kind of slop for a long time.
    It is absolutely depressing that from article to article the author, in my opinion, is getting worse and worse ... Although at first it was far from perfect.
    That's all I wanted to say. smile
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 16 January 2023 15: 31
      +6
      It is absolutely depressing that from article to article the author, in my opinion, is getting worse and worse ...
      Well, so far it's better than copy-paste from Zyryanov, but we'll see ...
      1. Trilobite Master
        Trilobite Master 16 January 2023 16: 01
        +10
        Better than "very bad" is "bad", Anton. This article turned out, in my opinion, frankly bad.
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 16 January 2023 16: 13
          +4
          Well, what can you do? For lack of a governess ... This is not Shpakovsky with the "Poisoned Pen".
          1. setter
            setter 16 January 2023 17: 10
            +3
            By the way, about the film "Chapaev". Stepan Iosifovich Shkurat was born on January 8.
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 16 January 2023 17: 47
              +4
              January 9 is my eldest son. He once said: he managed to be born on Bloody Sunday, to which I reasonably remarked: but you have your own square in St. Petersburg.
              1. Korsar4
                Korsar4 16 January 2023 20: 19
                +2
                And this year, on January 9, an Indian undergraduate passed the GIS for the past year. Also the day deserves to be red.
            2. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 16 January 2023 17: 59
              +3
              By the way, the bacchanalia with the renaming of the mid-90s did not touch Chapaev Street on Petrogradka.
              1. bubalik
                bubalik 16 January 2023 18: 20
                +3
                In the Russian Federation as of October 2017, there were 2172 streets named after Vasily Ivanovich Chapaev,, like this belay
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 16 January 2023 18: 41
                  +2
                  In the crazy St. Petersburg of the mid-nineties, everything was possible.
    2. depressant
      depressant 16 January 2023 15: 49
      +7
      I read in the morning. And here it is - the last picture. It seems as if the whole world is permeated with golden threads of sunlight. Even the shadow side of the Earth. The world is shining. The great comrade Stalin holds the young Soviet Republic in strong, reliable hands...
      Twisted not childishly. Well, I cried. I read the comments. It still hurts. I can not argue, they say, so and so. Before my eyes - the image of the lost future.
      1. ArchiPhil
        ArchiPhil 16 January 2023 16: 12
        +7
        Quote: depressant
        Before my eyes - the image of the lost future.

        Strongly! Indeed, it is said strongly. But I want to know, dear Lyudmila Yakovlevna, do you consider the film * Chapaev * propaganda. Or? Or, like me, just a good work of art about a MAN.
        Good evening!
        1. depressant
          depressant 16 January 2023 16: 35
          +7
          Good evening, Sergey Vladimirovich!
          Нет, фильм "Чапаев" не считаю пропагандистским. Фильм -- ответ на потребность народа в подлинных героях своего времени. Невозможно даже представить, что сняли бы фильм о страданиях раскулаченных и создали бы вызывающий сочувствие соответствующий образ. Столетие было спрессовано в десятилетие и прессом выдавило из жизни мертвечину. Осталась жизнь и порыв к живому будущему.
          1. Aviator_
            Aviator_ 16 January 2023 17: 59
            +7
            It is impossible even to imagine that they would make a film about the suffering of the dispossessed and create a corresponding image that evokes sympathy.
            Lyudmila, less than 90 years have passed since such films have already appeared. And in the remake of "Dawn" - Brichkin from the dispossessed, and the recent "Zuleika. Opening her eyes" - even more so. But hack is hack, and its current propaganda tilt is very noticeable. The population has no sympathy for the then Tsapki. And this is good.
          2. gsev
            gsev 17 January 2023 23: 53
            0
            Quote: depressant
            It is impossible even to imagine that they would make a film about the suffering of the dispossessed and create a corresponding image that evokes sympathy.

            However, "Quiet Flows the Don" by Sholokhov is in many ways a hymn to the Cossacks and a reproach to those who carried out decossackization. And "Virgin Soil Upturned" cannot be considered the anthem of Stalin's collectivization. There is a book "Dauria" and a film was made on it in the USSR. So there is a thread of narration of the decomposition and death of the Cossack way of life as a result of revolutionary transformations in the Far East. "Yes, this is my godfather. Let me shoot him first!"
            Quote: depressant
            It is impossible to even imagine that they would make a film about the suffering of the dispossessed and create a sympathetic

            And I think that there is a wonderful film by Waida "Katyn" about this. By the end of Brezhnev's reign, all leading positions from the master were mainly descendants of the dispossessed. Therefore, almost a week after its unspoken ban, the film was shown on central television. The FSB officers and the Foreign Ministry did not dare to anger the descendants of the kulaks by banning Vaida's work.
        2. setter
          setter 16 January 2023 17: 03
          +3
          Strong! Really strong word

          Yeah! You can't really say. Moreover, the majority of losers either actively contribute to the process, or passively go with the flow.
          1. ArchiPhil
            ArchiPhil 16 January 2023 18: 40
            +4
            Quote from Passeur
            or passively go with the flow.

            Sorry, but ... passionaries are actively dying in wars. If you do not take the Great Patriotic War, how many armed conflicts were there with the participation of Soviet and Russian soldiers? Today? Who dies in this * own *? Yes, the best. The bravest. Those who are able to say : * -And who besides me? * That's really insulting and bitter.
            1. gsev
              gsev 18 January 2023 00: 00
              -2
              Quote: ArchiPhil
              Sorry, but ... passionaries are actively dying in wars.

              And not passionaries in concentration camps, bardels, or simply do not attract girls and remain bachelors. Now in Central Asia, Moldova, Ukraine, Russians who are not able to show themselves and defend their honor will die out without exception. Under more difficult conditions, the kulaks were able to continue their race and come to power in the USSR. Let it be transformed for the worse, become tougher, more aggressive, intolerant of other people's laziness and stupidity. So the Russians in Ukraine must get rid of non-passionate ballast and regain their rights.
        3. evgen1221
          evgen1221 16 January 2023 17: 10
          +3
          And what is propaganda if not inspiring a person to accomplish the deeds planned by the state.
          1. ArchiPhil
            ArchiPhil 16 January 2023 19: 16
            +1
            Quote: evgen1221
            And what is propaganda if not inspiring a person to accomplish the deeds planned by the state.

            That's why it is possible and necessary to attribute * Combat film collection number 12, for 1942 * to propaganda. It was in it that the image of Vasily Ivanovich was used to raise the morale of our Soviet fighters. He is on YouTube. However, all fifteen film collections are very interesting. You won't regret it, you're right! hi
      2. Trilobite Master
        Trilobite Master 16 January 2023 16: 38
        +8
        Do not Cry.
        "Great Comrade Stalin" has gone to places rich in game and will not disturb us again.
        But as for the lost future - yes, after the suicide of the Soviet Union, the future that could have awaited us was lost. But it was.
        And now, personally, I don’t know if it is, this is the future, at least some. Do my children and other descendants, existing and not yet born, have it.
        What will happen to them - will they dream of flying to another galaxy or that, at the end of the working day, they will get to a glass of cheap liquor that the white master will provide them with his bounties, and fall into bed to forget a heavy sleep without dreams? Or maybe they are lucky, and they will fall into the number of the "golden billion" and then they will already distribute cheap booze to others, while they themselves drink expensive ones?
        Or will they simply perish without a trace and memory in the crucible of the already begun war, which was imposed on us, and which we could not refuse, because once, thirty years ago, we decided to live by their rules?
        I do not know.
        And then, in those days, the times of Chapaev and Pavlik Morozov, and later, in the forties, they knew. They knew that they would win and that they would live better. And the same Pavlik testified against his father, certainly not out of selfish motives and not out of fear, for who could threaten him and with what? So why?
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 16 January 2023 17: 38
          +4
          But as for the lost future - yes, after the suicide of the Soviet Union, the future that could have awaited us was lost. But it was.
          In 1990, my father became a People's Deputy of the Regional Council from the new town. And I am more than sure that not with the goal of destroying the Soviet Union. As well as you, Mikhail, when entering the law faculty the next year, did not aspire to this either.
          1. Trilobite Master
            Trilobite Master 16 January 2023 18: 41
            +5
            Didn't aspire. Then I tried to make girls love me, because I also loved them very much. smile
            On Gorbachev in particular and the USSR, in principle, I did not care. But only because it seemed to me then that the USSR had such a huge margin of safety that there was no reason to worry about its existence. Like, "what will happen to us, we are a block, a monolith, concrete!". I think older people had the same sentiments. And then what happened happened.
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 16 January 2023 19: 08
              +3
              In principle, in August-December 1991, I didn’t care about anything except my own survival. The USSR Armed Forces of the XNUMX model, that is still an "adventure".
              1. setter
                setter 16 January 2023 19: 24
                0
                In principle, in August-December XNUMX, I didn’t care about anything except my own survival.

                The question of survival, to one degree or another, has been characteristic of the SA at all times.
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                  1. bubalik
                    bubalik 16 January 2023 20: 07
                    +3
                    only in the last decade of the existence of this structure
                    ,,, do not say. My father served in the "royal" in the 70s on the Kola Peninsula. Here he tells tin, mainly on national grounds.
                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 16 January 2023 20: 16
                      +3
                      "Korlevskie" - RSVN? Sorry, I sometimes confuse definitions...
                      1. bubalik
                        bubalik 16 January 2023 20: 19
                        +3
                        Korlevskie" - RSVN?

                        Buildbat winked
                      2. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 16 January 2023 20: 32
                        +3
                        My respect to your father! At the very end of the sixties, mine was digging mines for "strategists" in Kazakhstan. Also a builder.
                  2. setter
                    setter 16 January 2023 22: 21
                    +3
                    Oddly enough, but the brains helped out even in places where, at first glance, no one needs them. Although much depended on Fortune.
        2. gsev
          gsev 18 January 2023 00: 06
          -2
          Quote: Trilobite Master
          And then, in those days, the times of Chapaev and Pavlik Morozov, and later, in the forties, they knew. They knew that they would win and that they would live better.

          Or maybe they were wrong? Under socialism, the principle to each according to his merits began to be violated. Under Stalin, they began to pay disproportionately little to peasants, under Khrushchev and Brezhnev to engineers and scientists, under Yeltsin and Gorbachev to the military. The USSR began to die when an intelligent person began to have less chance of procreation than a hooligan and dunce. All the same, under capitalism, the people began to be cleansed of banditry and hooliganism, and the unthinkable even of smoking and alcoholism.
          1. Foul skeptic
            Foul skeptic 18 January 2023 15: 20
            +2
            All the same, under capitalism, the people began to be cleansed of banditry, and of hooliganism, and the unthinkable even of smoking and alcoholism.

            What kind of nonsense are you talking about.
    3. parusnik
      parusnik 16 January 2023 19: 15
      +6
      In short: the article, in my opinion, did not succeed at all.
      Good evening, Mikhail! Why is she successful? I read this book back in the 90s, yes, I got lost with the crossings. Yes, I don’t remember the author or the name. In order not to show the integrity of the source, the author publishes articles in "pieces" from different periods. His first article was Soviet propaganda during the Great Patriotic War, now he took the 30s. Type, the author thought when he wrote. Although the book itself takes a rather long period, almost October 1917. But in order to confuse the reader, he publishes articles based on the "motives" of the source. Yes, it does not repeat the mistakes of another well-known VO in the History section, the author, who "saddled" Kersnovsky, and simply copied articles from his book "History of the Russian Army". Then, however, I began to edit a little. Here, approximately the same thing.
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 16 January 2023 19: 24
        +5
        Yes, it does not repeat the mistakes of another well-known VO in the History section, the author
        "Name, sister?! Name?!?!" (FROM)
        ))))
        1. parusnik
          parusnik 17 January 2023 05: 57
          +4
          An article, next to it, about Khmelnitsky .. smile
  19. Vasilyevich Pensioner
    Vasilyevich Pensioner 16 January 2023 16: 09
    +3
    Something the author went over on propaganda. How can coverage of any events/participants be propaganda? That's when it is reported about something / someone that was not, in a way convenient for the situation to someone - this is propaganda. And to tell, to make a film about what happened - how can this be propaganda?
    When will they stop allowing materials in the media that are completely rotten? Even in the most democratic democracies it has long been understood that democracy is democracy, and something needs to be prevented. And we have someone in what much and what comes to mind.
    1. setter
      setter 16 January 2023 18: 55
      +5
      Something the author went over on propaganda.

      Demand creates supply.
  20. evgen1221
    evgen1221 16 January 2023 17: 07
    +5
    By Pavlik. OK, there is a government that has established its own laws and is obliged to comply with them and force them to comply with the population (regardless of whether they are good or bad, these are laws. There is no other power, as it were). Ignoring laws and governing regulations, orders by the population means anarchy, chaos and the collapse of the country, and as a result, the lives of those who violate it are even worse. There are no questions here and there cannot be. So it’s better to report on a person who clearly violates the law, or to remain silent, thereby encouraging and justifying anarchy and my hut on the edge. Let's say you have a neighbor openly selling drugs, you know that, there is a photo video of the docks. What’s better is to justify that it’s hard for him, he’s an orphanage worker there and so hard saving up for a car, while dooming dozens of teenagers to death, encouraging drug trafficking and others like him And part of their death will be your own fault of the justifying compassionate citizen. Or is there an option to hand over this neighbor with the giblets of the police. So what should a citizen of the country do? To live according to the law or according to ....?
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 16 January 2023 18: 06
      +3
      So it’s better to report on a person who clearly violates the law, or to remain silent, thereby encouraging and justifying anarchy and my hut on the edge.
      In general, I agree, but I will clarify. here, after all, how - if you see injustice, then either eliminate it yourself, or let the state do it. You can try the little things yourself, but in a big way - call 02 (or 112 now). A negative attitude in a healthy society is only towards professional scammers who brazenly blackmail everyone with the possibility of an immediate denunciation in order to cause big trouble.
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 16 January 2023 18: 21
        +4
        here, after all, how - if you see injustice, then either eliminate it yourself, or let the state do it.
        Hmm, the state does it through the aphedron, with an enviable frequency. Remember the story of the woman who pierced the rapist's artery?
    2. gsev
      gsev 18 January 2023 00: 25
      -2
      Quote: evgen1221
      Ignoring laws and governing regulations, orders by the population means anarchy, chaos and the collapse of the country, and as a result, the lives of those who violate it are even worse.

      For some time I had to interact with the Afghan diaspora. One Afghan had a conflict with the Chechen mafia. And I was assigned to be a transmission link between an Afghan businessman and an FSB officer. The FSB officer, having heard my presentation, said that the Chechen mafia is strong because it is the least greedy. The police or the FSB will easily break it, but the one who denounced the offender will no longer do business in Russia and he will have to give the police or the FSB more than he paid the Chechens. The easiest way is to kill the racketeers yourself if they got it hard or if it's a matter of honor, but we must remember that others will come to replace them. So sometimes what is called chaos, anarchy and other bad terms is simply the correction of state stupidity by people's self-government. At one time, the CIA was alarmed by the growth of the leftist and terrorist underground in Latin America. In Peru, in order to neutralize partisanship, the authorities simply advised to reduce the level of red tape and bureaucracy to the level that exists among the local guerrilla bandits, who, instead of the state, began to resolve administrative problems. Anarchy, the black market, terrorism immediately decreased to acceptable proportions, and the guerrilla terrorists were even forced to organize operations not against the state Peruvian system, but against American economists.
  21. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 16 January 2023 18: 27
    +5
    And although it’s hard to accuse me of leftist sentiments, I still note that there is no practical benefit in continuing to castigate leftist creatures and leftist excesses. Everything that could be poured out and as savory as possible (and more than once) was made in the 80s-90s, and even in the early 2000s.
    As the saying goes "full!". The socio-political request for this is understandable - in our country the authorities liked to use methods of contrast with one of their predecessors or analogues - tsarism frightened with turmoil, leftists frightened tsarism, liberals nightmared leftists and later, which is much funnier, a kind of mix of leftists and early liberals .
    And of course, now, for contrast, it is interesting for us to remember the tin as it is from the time of the king of peas, in order to breathe a sigh of relief from how well we live.
    But I repeat - absolutely all the accents on Pavlik Morozov and the crimes of Stalinism have long been placed, and not a single hundred times. At the moment, all this is frankly dense antiquity.

    Heroes, as a rule, were sucked out of the finger, because there are no ideal people, and those who are close to this will not necessarily tank the embrasure "for the Motherland", and those of them who do this will not necessarily fall "into the tongues", simply because they can put all the witnesses in that attack, and then everything will be forgotten in a mess somewhere near Myasny Bor. There is nothing shameful in this - to create a certain idealistic image, devoid of filth, so to speak.
    However, since the world, in a paradoxical way, combines complication and degradation, it is worth keeping your brain as far away as possible from all sorts of myths - since nothing JUST gets into the information space. From everything there is a benefit for someone, and it is advisable not to be a defendant in this benefit, if you are also not in the shares :-)
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 16 January 2023 18: 45
      +3
      I subscribe to every word, which is rare for me.
  22. Panzerjäger
    Panzerjäger 16 January 2023 19: 21
    +7
    The most interesting thing is that the materials of the case about Pavlik Morozov were recently published. And there, Pavlik Morozov didn’t make such colloquial speeches, but answered the accuser’s questions. the author, if you already undertook to write an article about a true personality, then do not use propaganda materials, but transcripts of the court session, which are perfectly preserved.
  23. Panzerjäger
    Panzerjäger 16 January 2023 19: 23
    +4
    Quote: Stirbjorn
    Quote: ArchiPhil
    There is a talented film about a man. Yes, about * a man with a gun *! But about a man.
    I would add "about a man from the people", so the people fell in love with him, right down to the jokes. Because it's your own, not red, or white there. And it doesn't matter what Chapaev was like in real life. We were told at the military department that he was more in a staff car, and not with a saber on a horse, but what a difference now. lol

    Absolutely true, after being wounded in the leg, it was difficult for Chapaev to ride a horse.
  24. Konstantin Balakhonov
    Konstantin Balakhonov 16 January 2023 19: 34
    +3
    Yes, class !!! hunger raged! and then I can’t say otherwise, I stole 260 kg from everyone, oh, there was hunger, I need to feed my children, and let strangers die, you bastard is the author, you are now in the village otmu. ..khali, and then people still lived in a community ......
    1. gsev
      gsev 18 January 2023 00: 53
      -3
      Quote: Konstantin Balakhonov
      I stole 260 kg from everyone, oh, there was a hunger, I need to feed my children, and let strangers die, you bastard is the author, you are now in the village otmuga ... hali, and then people still lived in a community ......

      The community is a profitable organization, but it has a limit to sustainability. It is tempting to try to share the penultimate last piece of bread and save the neighbor in the hope that the neighbor will save you later. In Russia, until 1930, half the village or only the most inveterate lazy people died in starvation or death. However, Stalin often took away so much that the whole village was doomed to starvation with the most just distribution of the remains. There are even genetic and mathematical laws that in this case, in order to preserve the genus (related genes), it is certainly true to save children at the cost of the lives of their parents, but saving nephews is already a question. If you immediately take away food from the weak and make them die after harvesting, and divide the taken away (stolen) among the rest, then 90% of the village of Sibirovka will survive. And if everything is honestly divided, then only the chairman and the activists will survive (by the way, during the war, when, according to my grandmother, easier and fairer times came to Sibovka, it was the collective farm-kombedov elite of the 1930s who died of hunger). Therefore, in 1933, not communal, but slightly different moral norms came into the peasant world: "God is for everyone, but every man for himself!" By the way, my grandfather stole on the collective farm, according to my grandmother, not to feed, but to give tasty and sweet water and feed the collective farm elite. For booze and scrambled eggs with bacon, they straightened out a certificate for a dispossessed relative, whose families were thus saved from cruel death. Like the ability to steal the training course for the USSR special forces? Perhaps that is why so many mafiosi have come out of the ranks of athletes.
      1. Foul skeptic
        Foul skeptic 18 January 2023 15: 30
        +2
        By the way, my grandfather stole on the collective farm, according to my grandmother, not to feed, but to give tasty and sweet water and feed the collective farm elite.

        It seems that you are bursting with pride.
  25. bubalik
    bubalik 16 January 2023 21: 09
    +4
    brought a film by the Vasiliev brothers shot in 1934 based on the novel by Furmanov

    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 17 January 2023 08: 29
      +3
      I really liked the phrase “grows into a political phenomenon” in the article. The language of articles changes, but something remains.
  26.  Lomo
    Lomo 16 January 2023 22: 30
    +7
    I know this is a rhetorical question, but still...
    Author, are you not ashamed to publish such nonsense? Disgrace.
  27. gromovanton
    gromovanton 16 January 2023 23: 31
    +5
    The idea seemed interesting to me - to analyze the methods of creating in the USSR, designing heroes - role models, ideals, using the example of creating such an image from previously unknown people, citizens who did not even have special merits. The examples are interesting.
    What I didn't like and why:
    The transition from factology, analysis to interpretations or inappropriate associations. I will illustrate in the section of your article dedicated to Gela Markizova.
    The first group of facts: yes, just a girl, and in other countries of the world, the technique was used. The task of receiving is such and such.
    In my opinion, the association is inappropriate - I quote: "for example, there are many photographs of Hitler with children, where outwardly he does not at all resemble a criminal who destroyed millions of people. This is how propaganda creates the image of a "good ruler."
    What's wrong? - to equate Stalin to Hitler.
    As I suggest: give examples of other political leaders. Not because Hitler was not photographed with children, but because such a presentation voluntarily creates distortion and puts Giler and Stalin on the same level. Communism and fascism.
    The second group of facts:
    the arrest of the girl's father, the death of her mother, the girl's letter to Stalin, her adoption, the change of the girl's surname.
    I quote your interpretations of the "second group of facts":
    a) "subsequently, this slogan began to be perceived as a symbol of the hypocrisy of the era."
    b) "Geli's own childhood was not happy" - I'm not saying that losing your parents is happiness. I'm talking about the fact that millions of children were in kindergartens, the school was fed, educated and socially protected. And it's not cheating. The fact that Geli personally everything turned out terribly, yes. But reading your test, a stable association arises again:
    all Soviet propaganda is a "symbol of the hypocrisy of the era", which means that the entire Communist Party was hypocrites and citizens of the whole country, and it turns out that the people without exception were victims and idiots, and the leaders were bastards and executioners. I'm not in favor of seeing everyone as immaculate saints, however, considering our past in this perspective devalues ​​both our ancestors and our history and generally does not apply in any way to attempts to give a scientific and even just an honest description of the past era. My opinion is not necessarily correct.

    A question for you: the state propaganda had and still has the opportunity to glorify and mix with dirt a person - this is a fact.
    Are you for, against, and if for, then for what kind of propaganda? As you can see its principles of construction. Ways of public control, counter-propaganda of those images that the state constructs, private media groups?
    1. depressant
      depressant 17 January 2023 02: 35
      +5
      I'm not in favor of seeing everyone as immaculate saints, however, considering our past in this perspective devalues ​​both our ancestors and our history and generally does not apply in any way to attempts to give a scientific and even just an honest description of the past era.


      Dear colleague, powerful! good hi )))
  28. odometer
    odometer 17 January 2023 03: 08
    +3
    This post is de ** mo - the author is a homosexual .... smile
  29. Sugar Honeyovich
    Sugar Honeyovich 17 January 2023 07: 25
    +2
    And there were also Barazbi Khamgokov, Mamlakat Nakhangova, and finally Gulya Koroleva ... And others. And others.
    1. depressant
      depressant 17 January 2023 13: 00
      +1
      Gulya Koroleva...
      I got married at the age of 17 - reading this was a shock for me! Too early marriage. And her death came as a shock. I don’t remember where and where she went to swim, but she didn’t swim to the place. Apparently she drowned.
      1. gsev
        gsev 18 January 2023 00: 36
        +2
        Quote: depressant
        Gulya Koroleva...
        Married at 17

        Quote: depressant
        from where and where she went by swimming, but did not reach the place. Apparently she drowned.

        She stood under German bullets, led the men to attack and died in this attack. The daughter of high-ranking parents (she did not have to cut collective farm spikelets), an actress since childhood, a golden youth. Perhaps fame, beauty turned her head, but in the canonical book about her "The Fourth Height" this is said allegorically, as about her kayak trip at the beginning easy downstream, and then from the last strength up. She had the opportunity to stay with the child in the evacuation, but she used her cronyism to be called up for war and accept death near Stalingrad.
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  31. Illanatol
    Illanatol 18 January 2023 09: 51
    +1
    Pavlik's father Trofim Morozov, a participant in the Civil War, served as chairman of the village council in the village of Gerasimovka, Sverdlovsk Region. This village was a place of exile for dispossessed peasants. That is, those from whom all property was taken away and declared enemies. Trofim gave them false certificates, thanks to which they could leave the place of exile. This was the reason for the denunciation of his son Paul. The 13-year-old student also spoke at the trial, where he repeated the accusations against his father.


    Lie. Trofim Morozov did issue certificates. But not to the mythical “dispossessed kulaks”, but to collective farmers, so that they could go to the city and sell products on the city market (prices in the city were much higher). And he didn't give them out for free. Simply put, he abused his official position, carried away by corruption.
    In addition, he treated his wife, Pavlik's mother, extremely cruelly. Which the latter confirmed, already after Trofim Morozov was caught red-handed and was arrested.
    Then all family members were interviewed and Pavlik's testimony did not change anything, he simply could not report anything new.
    Pavlik did not and could not give any evidence on abuses of his father's position, simply because he could not know anything about them. The child could not get into the premises of the village council, this is an official institution, and it was there that Trofim did his dark deeds.
    And Father Pavlik was really imprisoned, he served his time and lived for a long time (perhaps too much).
    They shot grandfather - and rightly so. An attempt to justify child-killers with the mythical denunciation of Pavlik, presenting them as victims, quite characterizes the moral character of the home-grown "democratizers".
  32. Chervony Biker
    Chervony Biker 20 January 2023 02: 47
    +3
    Honestly ...
    It seems to me that such nonsense can only be read on the Move now.
    The propaganda that the author pours mud on, in the pre-war USSR, just forged the generation of Winners.
    If about Chapaev, there was a nasty aftertaste from the clumsy anti-Soviet "vyperd".
    Then, with Pavlik Morozov, the author hid and distorted many facts.
    What is the readiness to give one's life for one's convictions, the author does not understand in principle.
    Definitely. "How the steel was tempered" by N. Ostrovsky or "The Tale of a Real Man" by B. Polevoy - the author does not know.
    In general, I have never read such squalor on the pages of VO.
    Well, now a few words about Pavlik.
    Even without any ideology, the guy had reason to teach his father a lesson. Because the parent left Mother Pavlik with four children. At the same time, he did not care about the children in any way, but periodically beat them with their mother.
    Initiated this whole story full of tragedy, in fact, the school teacher Pavlik. Because The boy's grandfather (a former gendarme guard) forbade him to go to school and beat him for a pioneer tie.
    In other words, if Grandfather had not been a cretin and a sadist, and Papa Pavlik was a walking redneck, then nothing would have happened.
    To the credit of Pope Pavlik - "imprisoned" in the words of the author of the libel.
    Dad, having received his term, worked hard on the Belomor Canal, if I'm not mistaken, he was amnestied and awarded an order !!! That's it....
    The author also forgot to describe how long and painfully two relatives of the sadist, Pavlik and his young brother, were killed. The younger brother, if anyone does not know, they just killed him like that.
    But Stalin and Soviet propaganda are personally to blame for everything.