UAV storm rises

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UAV storm rises

Each military conflict serves as a test of the strength of the armed forces.

Each military conflict tests the strength of the strategy, tactics and performance characteristics (TTX) of weapons.



Each military conflict tests the ability of defense industry enterprises (DIC) to adapt to a rapidly changing situation on the battlefield.

They say that "generals are always preparing for the last war." This is partly true, the armed forces (AF) of any country is a very inert system. But sometimes someone appears, like "the father of the atomic fleet” Vice Admiral (since 1958) Hyman George Rickover, who says “nuclear submarines will be,” and this decision radically changed the US Navy (Navy) and the navies (Navy) of other leading countries of the world. And sometimes revolutionary weapon systems appear on the principle of "need to invent cunning", when a weaker adversary, in anticipation of an imminent attack, is desperately looking for opportunities to tip the scales in his favor.

Understanding the mistakes and opportunities comes at the moment of the onset of a new military confrontation, and a confrontation with an enemy approximately equal in strength - otherwise it can easily be concluded that you won’t have to fight with anyone worse than bearded terrorists. And it was precisely such a confrontation that the Russian special military operation (SVO) on the territory of Ukraine became, of course, taking into account the “contribution” that Western countries bring to this conflict. Yes, it is the war in Ukraine that is the most significant military conflict of recent times, since the US/NATO attack on Iraq and Yugoslavia is like a schoolboy being beaten by the Mike Tyson team.

Perhaps the most significant discovery of the SVO can be considered an unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV)-kamikaze "Geran-2". It was the use of the Geran-2 kamikaze UAV during the Russian military defense in Ukraine that showed how effective these complexes can be - and in fact, almost no one had heard anything about them before or did not attach much importance to them. Everyone was familiar with the Turkish Bayraktar UAVs, which performed well in a number of local conflicts, but became the legitimate prey of Russian air defense systems (air defense) during the NMD.

So, UAV "Geran-2". What is remarkable about it?


UAV "Geran-2" / "Shahed 136" became widely known during the NWO in Ukraine

"Geranium-2" or "Shahed 136"?


Disputes over the question of what the Geran-2 UAV is, a Russian development, a Ukrainian development (there is such an opinion) or an Iranian Shahed 136 UAV, have not subsided since this weapon was applied in Ukraine, and to this day. However, the Iranian roots of the Geran-2 UAV are unlikely to raise any doubts, and the degree of localization of these weapons in the Russian Federation is not so important now - there is a war going on, it is necessary to use all available resources.


UAV-kamikaze "Geran-2" / "Shahed 136" operators

The key advantages of the Geran-2 UAV have also been voiced more than once. First of all, it is the price, the price and again the price. According to various estimates, the cost of the Geran-2 UAV ranges from $20 to $000. In any case, this is 200-000 (!) times lower than the cost of "real" cruise missiles (CR), such as the Russian Caliber cruise missile or the American Tomahawk cruise missile. Of course, the characteristics of the Geran-5 UAV and the Caliber / Tomahawk CR are incomparable - the mass of the warhead and the flight speed of the Geran-50 UAV are 2-2 times lower than those of the Caliber / Tomahawk CR. However, other characteristics are quite comparable - the flight range, which for the Geran-4 UAV is estimated, according to various sources, from 5 to 2 kilometers, as well as the targeting accuracy provided by the Russian global satellite navigation system (GLONASS), and it is possible that and its American counterpart GPS.

Why did the Shahed 136 UAV concept in its current form appear and become widespread in Iran? And all according to the same principle: "the need for inventions is cunning."

Being under severe international sanctions for many years, in conditions of serious financial and technological restrictions, under the constant threat of attacks by Israel and the United States, Iran had no other option than to “get out”, look for ways to inflict maximum damage on the enemy in the event of a conflict. It is possible that in the event of an American invasion of Iran, the US fleet would also expect some small-sized remote-controlled "surprises" that could significantly damage American aircraft carrier strike groups (AUGs). However, let's get back to the Geran-2 / Shahed 136 UAV.

According to foreign media reports, Iran supplied several thousand Shahed 136/Geran-2 UAVs to Russia, which Russia and Iran deny. Let's assume that some kits were delivered, allowing to assemble the indicated several thousand UAVs "Geran-2" on the territory of Russia. It is unlikely that Iran has delivered everything it has. Then how many Shahed 136 UAVs are in service with Iran? Four thousand? Ten thousand? Even if right now Iran does not have ten thousand Shahed 136 UAVs, then with a high probability in 5-10 years they can produce such a quantity, or even much more.

For Iran, the main regional rival is Israel, the distance to which is more than covered by the estimated range of the Shahed 136 UAV. According to various estimates, Israel has between fifty and four hundred nuclear warheads, the existence of which Israel neither confirms nor denies. At the same time, the alleged attempts of Iran to acquire nuclear weapons are being severely suppressed by Israel and the United States.


The distance from Iran to Israel is just over a thousand kilometers in a straight line.

Let's say that Iran and Israel reached the "hot" phase of the conflict, and Israel launched a nuclear strike on Iran. Without its own nuclear weapons, Iran is using all the Shahed 136 UAVs available, and half of them will carry spent nuclear fuel, representing the so-called "dirty bomb". In addition to them, ballistic missiles of various types will go, how many of them does Iran have there - several thousand? Who will suffer the most damage as a result of such an exchange of blows? Iran will have a hard time, even if Israel has only two hundred nuclear warheads. But everything will be bad for Israel too - the territory is small, living is compact, for years, or even decades, until the area is deactivated by the efforts of the "world community", it may become uninhabitable.

Consider a "softer" scenario of events. Nuclear weapons and "dirty bombs" are not used - only conventional ammunition. Israel is attacking Iran with "classic" precision-guided weapons, ballistic and cruise missiles, Israeli versions of US fifth-generation F-35I aircraft, and other weapons. Iran is responding with thousands of Shahed 136 UAVs, which will be supplemented by conventional ballistic missiles and other weapons.

There is simply no chance of intercepting thousands of Shahed 136 UAVs from Israeli air defense - at best, they will shoot down 5-10%. Moreover, good neighbors may well take part in the raid, occupying Israeli air defense / missile defense with cheap unguided Kassems.

Who will suffer the greatest losses as a result of such a conflict? According to the author - definitely Israel. All for the same reason - this country is too compact, the population density is too high (over 400 people per square kilometer).

Let's face it, Iran does not and will not have any chance to harm Israel with traditional weapons - aviation, fleet, ground forces. In any scenario, he will be doomed to failure. But the appearance of the Shahed 136 UAV radically changes the situation, and there is no doubt that Israel seriously thought after looking at the work of the Geran-2 UAV in Ukraine, and yet they are used there by tens or hundreds, not thousands or tens of thousands.

Millions of Geraniums - is it real?


In what volumes can UAVs like "Geran-2" or "Shahed 136" be produced?

Here the most important factor is the price. Earlier we said that the cost of the Geran-2 UAV is estimated in the range from $20 to $000. Let's take something in between - $ 200. Then a million Geranium-000 UAVs will cost $100 (one hundred billion dollars). For Russia, this amount is unbearable, as well as for the rest of the world, with the exception of the United States.

For the US, one hundred billion dollars is a little over 10% of their defense budget. But does the US need a million conditional Geranium-USA UAVs? And why not, if they understand that with their help they can win a conflict with almost any opponent, and using only them. According to open data, during the bombing of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (FRY), the United States and NATO countries used about 23 bombs and missiles and quickly broke this country. And how many high-precision strikes are needed to break Russia, especially in winter? What about a smaller country?

In the material Ukrainian UAV strikes on the airfield in Engels as an indicator of the extreme vulnerability of aviation at base points we considered that even with the existing arsenal of long-range precision weapons, the United States could potentially destroy all Russian aviation right on the airfields.

It is hard to even imagine what opportunities a million precision-guided munitions with a range of several thousand kilometers will provide. It is possible to destroy not only aviation at airfields, but also the fleet in naval bases, the entire fuel infrastructure of the armed forces, all ammunition depots, enterprises of the military-industrial complex (MIC), military bases, barracks - everything that is related to the armed forces . At the same time, they may not even touch the nuclear deterrence forces (SNF), government infrastructure and civilian facilities. It seems that the country is intact, but it has no military capabilities left - come, take it with your bare hands. And there are enough greedy hands around the perimeter of Russia - the United States itself can not “get dirty”, they will supply and induce whoever needs it - the same Ukronazis will gladly go even as far as Khabarovsk.

A million kamikaze UAVs a year, five million in five years, ten million in ten years. In fact, you can simply keep the enemy in the Stone Age, inflicting almost three thousand blows on him daily. For years.

Do you know who our main ally is to prevent the United States from having such weapons and in such quantities? This is the American military-industrial complex, which does not need any revolutions and applicants for the budget - they are more interested in producing three Zumwalt destroyers or a dozen or two B-2 bombers, in general, something very expensive and small-scale. The problem is that sooner or later a person or company may appear who will make the US Armed Forces such an attractive offer that they cannot refuse it. Or they will be forced to do so by reality, by the experience of other countries, by the threat of defeat that cannot be denied.


Expensive "toys" of the US Armed Forces

The United States has everything necessary for this - the Germans will provide them with mass production of the Limbach L550E engine, moreover, in the United States. There will be no more problems with the body, electronics and other problems. Moreover, the appearance of satellite communication in smartphones has already become a reality: Apple was the first to do this, and now Qualcomm, the largest manufacturer of ARM chipsets, has introduced a Snapdragon Satellite solution that can provide two-way satellite communications to smartphones. What does "Geranium-USA" have to do with it? And despite the fact that this technology can get into every UAV, providing them with the ability to retarget in flight, which will increase the efficiency of such drones.


Snapdragon Satellite Solution - satellite connectivity to every smartphone from Qualcomm

Production can be carried out at fully robotic enterprises in a full cycle, human participation can be minimal. With such a large-scale production - a million items a year, the cost per unit will inevitably decrease, especially if developers, engineers, technologists are properly stimulated - they reduced the price by a dollar, saved the country a million dollars a year, received a hundred thousand in the form of bonuses, and so on.

In general, the issue of US production of a million Geran-USA kamikaze UAVs per year is a political issue rather than a technical or financial one.

Who else can produce a million kamikaze UAVs?

Of course, this is China. The characteristics of "Geran-CN" will be slightly worse than the American version, but clearly no worse than the Iranian original. And the price will be lower, which will allow the Chinese to reach volumes comparable to the United States with a smaller budget. It is possible that the European Union will also be able to produce a comparable amount of "Geranium-EU" "in clubbing".

As for Russia, if it doesn’t work out to reach a volume of a million items a year, then, with a strong desire, it is most likely possible to reach hundreds of thousands. But only with great desire and determination at the level of the country's top leadership. Of course, we return to the cost factor. If the cost of the conditional "Geran-RF" can be kept at $20, a maximum of $000, then potentially our country will pull a million products a year, even to the detriment of the purchase of some other weapons, because a million UAVs "Geran-RF "will give our armed forces much more opportunities than the "Armaty", "Sarmaty", Tu-30M ​​and many other types of weapons that are now unable to significantly affect the course of the conflict.

Earlier in the article Project Condor: death from heaven we have already considered the concept of planning kamikaze UAVs of the operational-tactical level, designed to strike at the enemy at a distance of about 100-200 kilometers when dropped from a transport aircraft at an altitude of about 10 kilometers. The concept of the UAV-kamikaze "Condor" provides for its production in the amount of about 300 units per year. In many ways, the concepts of the Geran-000 kamikaze UAV and the Kondor planning kamikaze UAV are similar - inexpensive components, large-scale production and the cost of ammunition, which is less than the cost of anti-aircraft guided missiles (SAM), with which it can be shot down.


The concept of planning UAV-kamikaze "Condor"

The Condor UAV is more difficult to shoot down - there is no thermal signature and engine sound, it obviously should be cheaper to manufacture, but its use is also more difficult - transport aircraft are needed, while almost any carrier platform can be adapted for the Geranium-2. But the main thing is that if the Condor kamikaze UAV is an operational-tactical weapon, then Geran-2 is actually a strategic weapon.

A million kamikaze UAVs of the Geranium-2 type per year will allow not only to turn Ukraine into ruins, but also to adequately pay off all European accomplices of the Nazi regime, starting with Poland and the Baltic countries.

With an offensive potential of a million kamikaze UAVs per year, all other armed forces can not be used at all. For example, the air force (Air Force) can only be used to provide air defense of its own territory - no pilots captured by the enemy, no losses from enemy air defense. Equally, ground units will not need to enter enemy territory, because, having completely lost their transport and energy infrastructure, weapons depots and repair facilities, the enemy simply will not be able to conduct any serious offensive operations, because what is happening now in Ukraine is only a consequence of limited strikes against key infrastructure in that country.

If strikes by thousands of kamikaze UAVs are supplemented by traditional types of armed forces, then the synergistic effect of their joint use will be even higher. For example, when kamikaze UAVs are followed by electronic reconnaissance aircraft (RTR), electronic warfare aircraft (EW) and stealth fighters with anti-radar missiles (PRR), capable of opening and completely destroying enemy air defenses.

What if the US can and we can't?


The potential receipt of a million long-range kamikaze UAVs per year will definitely provoke the United States to intensify hostilities around the planet, primarily against Russia. Moreover, at the initial stage, they may not even strike at Russian territory - they will destroy all of our few military bases abroad, including in Syria, and with massive strikes they will destroy all Russian armed forces on the territory considered by Ukraine to be its own. Of course, this will only be the beginning - then the process will no longer be stopped.

And this means that Russia needs its own million Geran-RF UAVs, since the best defense is an attack. Nevertheless, as a defense against a US strike, “our” UAVs “Geran-2” will be of little help - our overseas enemy is too far away, his fleet is too strong - the carriers simply will not let the US reach the coast. We need them only for military dominance within the continent, where the targets will be the armed forces of European countries and US bases in the region.

Therefore, in order to prevent hundreds of thousands of millions of kamikaze UAVs from hitting Russia, it is necessary to be able to destroy the infrastructure that ensures their use - that is, satellites of the global positioning system GPS, communications satellites such as Iridium and Starlink, reconnaissance satellites of all classes.

It is difficult to get satellites in high orbits, but it is possible. However, the enemy is actively developing low-orbit satellite constellations, which include thousands of satellites. Which means we need "Reapers" that can mow down the enemy's low-orbit infrastructure and prevent it from being deployed again.


The concept of the orbital interceptor "Reaper"

Without orbital reconnaissance, navigation and communications, long-range kamikaze UAVs are just useless trash. The leading countries of the world are actively working on autonomous navigation systems based on quantum effects, but so far this work is far from complete.

Conclusions


Impossible! Unreal! It's fantasy! So many argue not only among the inhabitants, but also among professionals. After all, it is so "comfortable" to live in the past, when you yourself were younger and the world seemed so simple. Beautiful boats, sailors in vests and peakless caps run on them, the sun is shining - that's what we need, a huge surface fleet with aircraft carriers. Heroic paratroopers are parachuted from hundreds of transport planes and courageously attack the enemy with their cans. Tanks and artillery, a barrage of fire, "and hundreds of thousands of batteries, for the tears of our mothers" ...

But in our time, all this may turn out to be small and useless - even “clouds fill up” the enemy will not work, or rather, there will be corpses, but there will be no sense from them.

The insight may come too late.

Technology is changing too fast. It is enough to look back and see how the world has changed over the past 20-30 years. More recently, people called from telephone booths, and in the USSR, especially in the regions, many had to go to special communication points to call a neighboring city. And now satellite communication can appear in everyone's pocket. Cities are flooded with electric transport – electric scooters, electric bicycles. A thermal imager with quite good characteristics can already be purchased for a price in the region of about $ 1000.

Civilian UAVs have become commonplace, for $ 1000 you can buy a device with such shooting (read - reconnaissance) capabilities that 10 years ago were available only to a narrow circle of special services - how many civilian UAVs a year does the same DJI company produce with a turnover of $ 500 billion? But back in 2010, DJI had less than 20 people.

By the way, DJI planned to build a plant in the Zakarpattia region of Ukraine in 2022 to assemble 40 UAVs per month.

The armed forces of the leading countries of the world are inert. Only this stands in the way of the appearance of millions of not only conditional Geran-2 UAVs, but also other breakthrough weapons, the creation of which has become possible literally in the last five years.

The transition to extreme production of precision-guided munitions is inevitable. With a high probability, Iran/Israel and China/Taiwan will be in the top four – these countries have the motivation for advancing development in this direction. Iran - in many ways, it has become an "ambassador" of a strategic-class kamikaze UAV. Israel - this country reacts very quickly to the changing situation on the battlefield.

China and Taiwan - they have their own civil war ahead. Both countries (more precisely, two separated parts of one country) have a colossal industrial potential for the production of all the components necessary for the manufacture of kamikaze UAVs. Both parts of the formally unified country are within the range of the Geran-2-type kamikaze UAV.

For Russia, the production of hundreds of thousands to a million UAVs is a matter of fundamental possibility of creating modern production facilities that provide not a single, but large-scale production of high-tech products. Production of not only UAVs, but also satellites for various purposes, night vision devices, thermal imagers and much more. This is a question not only of an exponential increase in the offensive capabilities of the RF Armed Forces, but also of the creation of a competitive civilian industry.

So can the massive use of long-range kamikaze UAVs have an effect comparable to the use of nuclear weapons?

Yes, this question can be answered in the affirmative. Several thousand strikes per day with high-precision weapons on the industry and infrastructure of the victim country in a few months will deprive it of the ability to function normally - there will be no light in cities, there will be no heat in houses, air and rail communications will stop. If the enemy is cruel and cynical, and he is exactly that, then schools, hospitals and any other important social facilities will be destroyed. If not in the Stone Age, then in the Middle Ages the victim will definitely be driven. In this case, the aggressor himself will not suffer any losses. A very attractive tactic for the US and other Western countries, isn't it?
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  1. +13
    10 January 2023 04: 55
    Here the most important factor is the price. Earlier we said that the cost of the Geran-2 UAV is estimated in the range from $20 to $000. Let's take something in between - $ 200. Then a million UAVs of the Geran-000 type will cost $100 (one hundred billion dollars). For Russia this amount is unbearable, as for the rest of the world, with the exception of the United States.


    The author, for some reason, a ridiculous amount of 100 lard is unbearable for Russia ??? belay Three hundred lards have already been presented to the West just like that - you can even say they didn’t notice wassat tongue
    1. +5
      10 January 2023 04: 59
      rivet hundreds of thousands of "tegerans", this is not a ram sneezed. who will implement?
      1. +3
        10 January 2023 05: 06
        Quote: Aerodrome
        rivet hundreds of thousands of "tegerans", this is not a ram sneezed. who will implement?

        Another question, where to get the necessary parts and accessories? It is no secret that the Shaids are equipped with a Chinese internal combustion engine copied from a Western engine. We do not produce such motors, and Chinese companies, fearing secondary sanctions, will not supply them to us. No.
        It also raises serious doubts that our industry will be able to quickly produce the required number of control modules, especially given the fact that there are already not enough qualified specialists.
        1. +8
          10 January 2023 10: 24
          And why are OKI engines, or, for example, "IZH" (which is a motorcycle) bad? And the Ural engine (the one that is also a motorcycle) is generally oppositional, ideal for aviation.
          1. -3
            10 January 2023 11: 53
            The fact that the engine of a modern Ural motorcycle is a piece product (super-expensive) and almost all the equipment there is imported.
          2. +4
            10 January 2023 13: 41
            In order for such engines to begin to be mass-produced, it is necessary to repeal the Euro environmental regulations that destroyed them. So far, the effect of the Euro regulations on internal combustion engines has only been suspended, as far as I know.
            1. +1
              11 January 2023 14: 45
              Duck these "eco-standards" are doing in order to destroy competitors by sharply narrowing down technological requirements and patenting technological solutions request
          3. 0
            11 January 2023 22: 50
            They have few horses, so much the worse. The geranium has a more serious engine.
            1. 0
              21 February 2023 11: 15
              They have few horses, so much the worse. The geranium has a more serious engine.

              MD550 (copy of Limbach L550): 50 hp, dry weight = 16 kg
              Fuel AVGAS 100LL or 90 RON

              engines IMZ-8.103-10 (IMZ-8.103-30, M-67-36) = 36 hp
              weighing ~35 kg on AI-76 fuel. With a resource of 20000-45000km
              Even in artisanal conditions, it is easy to squeeze under 60 hp from it.
              The patrol M-100 had 50 hp. on AI-85 fuel
              He does not need a resource of 20000 km with different modes of operation.
              Even the carburetor can not be changed to injection, those aerobatics do not make this ball.

              Single-section RPD VAZ-301 and VAZ-311 gave out 70 hp
              VAZ-411=120 hp
              GAZ RPD: 140 hp
              From the "Seagull" as much as 280 hp
              At the same time, they had a small mass and dimensions
              100 km is not needed for the ball
        2. +7
          10 January 2023 17: 46
          Making engines is not a problem, and they already exist. Those who are interested in small aircraft should know who is what and where. Moreover, it is very primitive. He does not need a large supply of motor resources based on a very long period of operation of many thousands of hours of operation. Yes, and speed control with gear switching is not necessary, it can be one or two modes. And this drastically reduces the cost of production. You can also adapt motorcycles for this. We have been producing them for a long time. So all that was needed was a decision, which, by the way, was recently adopted and signed and finances were allocated.
          I spoke with an Iranian student. At one time, he worked part-time at a factory for their production. He said that their cost, engines, apiece, is about $ 3000 in US currency. They are simplified to the limit, well, about $ 3500 everything else, stuffing. The total cost is about $6500 without a warhead. They sell for more, of course. But after all, for ourselves, we can reach such a cost for our armed forces. So the process is underway, and this pleases. Well, the raids of thousands of UAVs on us are quickly reset. All you need is a decision and the issuance of an order for execution. True, the enemy will not like it.
        3. +1
          10 January 2023 23: 46
          It's okay, it's necessary to store and maintain this mass somewhere else. Where is the question? And How?
        4. 0
          11 January 2023 10: 24
          Another question, where to get the necessary parts and accessories?

          There is a legend that when Comrade Stalin was shown the KV tank, he liked it very much, and ordered to make 400 pieces by the end of the year. They explained to him that this was by no means impossible, because there were no capacities, no personnel, no materials. Then people's commissar Vannikov with his deputies and other people were imprisoned.

          By the end of the year, they reported - they made 450 pieces. To which Joseph Vissarionovich uttered the immortal - "You can, after all, when you want .." (Pronounced with an accent.)

          A bike, of course, but the general train of thought is clear, and most importantly, it is more relevant than ever today ..
        5. 0
          15 March 2023 09: 09
          Quote: Tucan
          and Chinese companies, fearing secondary sanctions, will not supply them to us.

          The Chinese simply work in those sectors of Russia in which it is profitable for them. If an aircraft designer at a Moscow plant who designs special machines and organizes the import substitution of sanctioned spare parts for imported European machines earns 40 or 50 thousand rubles, and a Kyrgyz girl who monitors the construction site so that the Tajik workforce does not sleep in secluded corners during working hours, wears helmets and masks while at the facility , when working with fittings gloves, and when working with angle grinders, he has 80 rubles a month for goggles, then where will the Chinese business go in construction or supply for the defense industry? Moreover, the FSB, the prosecutor's office and the police are monitoring that, God forbid, the designer was overpaid and God forbid he and his colleagues did not create an organization fighting for higher wages for engineers, and at the construction site, representatives of the Uzbek and Tajik state security carefully send their workers to demand higher wages and especially not to tear the veins so that a large workforce can get a job in Russia. And especially zealous Russified Stakhanovites or Kyrgyz girls zealously catching sleeping people at work can be warned about reprisals against relatives who remained in Central Asia for excessive zeal for the good of Russia.
      2. -7
        10 January 2023 05: 20
        Quote: Aerodrome
        rivet hundreds of thousands of "tegerans", this is not a ram sneezed. who will implement?

        I already wrote here before - I can repeat.
        Stupidly 100k hang gliders are bought all over the world, the necessary control units are bought on aliexpress, instead of a pilot - a 100 kg bomb - 100 days for everything - and go
        1. +3
          10 January 2023 06: 24
          one, two, even ten - twenty to buy on Ali is not a problem, but already from a hundred there will be difficulties in production and supply logistics, and it will happen with operators. And these are just offhand problems and without countermeasures by the enemy and other well-wishers
          1. +1
            10 January 2023 07: 17
            And what exactly is the point in using a hundred thousand geraniums? For what? The enemy will not surrender, geraniums without satellite guidance cannot destroy battle formations, such as artillery with reconnaissance from UAVs, and also due to the small power of the warhead. If the author means the physical destruction of the entire population of the enemy, then this does not coincide with the goals of the NWO.
            1. +3
              10 January 2023 11: 46
              Quote: Civil
              And what exactly is the point in using a hundred thousand geraniums? For what? The enemy will not surrender, geraniums without satellite guidance cannot destroy battle formations, such as artillery with reconnaissance from UAVs, and also due to the small power of the warhead. If the author means the physical destruction of the entire population of the enemy, then this does not coincide with the goals of the NWO.

              It turns out that everything prevents us, for their production: the lack of original engines, the lack of electronics, the lack of satellites, there is not even a desire not only to produce them, but even to use them. Iron logic. How are they flying now?
              1. +3
                10 January 2023 12: 36
                It turns out that everything prevents us, for their production: the lack of original engines, the lack of electronics, the lack of satellites, there is not even a desire not only to produce them, but even to use them. Iron logic.

                Why do you need hand-built aircraft engines when you have (a little to modify) a miniature jet engine printed on a 3D printer. With electronics, we solve the issue (if we have the means and desire), and in general, we need to quickly switch to automated - robotic production. When an enterprise automatically wakes up to work 24 hours a day, that's what wakes you up with happiness for 2 kopecks.
                1. +3
                  10 January 2023 14: 52
                  Quote: Strannik_GO
                  We solve the issue with electronics (if there are funds and desire)

                  Here is more details, if possible!?
                  1. 0
                    15 March 2023 09: 21
                    Quote: Serg65
                    Here is more details, if possible!?

                    There are no key microcircuits in Russia. They are not in the DPRK, China and Iran. The certification and metrological verification system forces us to use not the equipment that is suitable according to technical data, but that which was certified 8 years ago before the Maidan in Ukraine by Siemens and Schneider and is still being imported by them through Israel, Ukraine and Poland to Russia. Wholesalers do not bother to supply certified products or products that are subject to the requirements of the military and military-industrial complex, not wanting to once again contact regulatory authorities left without wealthy customers in the face of Western companies. China also does not get involved with Russian requirements by offering the Russians themselves either to purchase suitable products in China, and then certify and verify, or pay in China for the development of products for the specific requirements of Russia before purchase. But the Chinese price list for R&D is many times higher than the Russian one.
            2. +2
              10 January 2023 11: 50
              Theoretically, you can completely break the logistics of the enemy. You can cause irreparable damage to their production (including repair companies). But, I agree, it is unrealistic to radically solve something with these light ammunition.
        2. +1
          10 January 2023 20: 31
          Quote: Crown without virus
          Quote: Aerodrome
          rivet hundreds of thousands of "tegerans", this is not a ram sneezed. who will implement?

          I already wrote here before - I can repeat.
          Stupidly 100k hang gliders are bought all over the world, the necessary control units are bought on aliexpress, instead of a pilot - a 100 kg bomb - 100 days for everything - and go

          To my minusers - physical education-cheers good drinks laughing
          Just think - if 40 years ago our aircraft modeling circle at DOSAAF had been given such a task - we would have completed it easily and naturally tongue laughing wink
      3. TIR
        0
        10 January 2023 17: 54
        And most importantly, how. Even for a couple of hundred Geraniums, we have to collect data for a week for the purposes. We simply do not have satellite reconnaissance as such. Why is Rogozin roaming the Donbass? For his leadership in Roskosmos, you need a gruel for life. Why did our Defense Ministry ignore satellite reconnaissance? Where are the responsible? What nafig thousands of Geraniums! They could not even realize the possibility of withdrawing reconnaissance satellites for this year. 3 satellites fell. Where are the landings???
      4. 0
        10 January 2023 18: 44
        The personal condition of Manturov and his family will easily make it possible to achieve the quantitative indicators proposed by the Author. It is his job to make this task a reality.
      5. 0
        11 January 2023 02: 02
        Quote: Aerodrome
        this is not a ram sneezed

        Yes, hundreds of thousands of Tehrans .., if you think about it, the Germans rivet 3 myo cars a year from Polo to Maybach, before 5mio, then hundreds of thousands of Teheranies are many. And what is more difficult, Audi A4, or Tehran?
    2. +7
      10 January 2023 06: 20
      Quote: Corona without virus
      The author, for some reason, a ridiculous amount of 100 lard is unbearable for Russia ??? Three hundred lards have already been presented to the West just like that - you can even say they didn’t notice

      Firstly, fantasies about "a million" Geraniums "" already cause a smile, but even so, then ... $ 100. a piece ??
      Secondly, where do these prices come from? Red price for own production (moreover, on market day) - 50 dollars.
      Thirdly - does the author intend to assemble all this "million products" in one year? Or stretch the pleasure for ten years? And if so, where did the "heaviness" come from? If a year (with a normal price tag) you have to spend "only" 5 billion dollars. ?
      Fourth - why do we need a million? Maybe 100 pieces will be enough. ? After all, we have enough other high-precision samples. smile And for the release of 100 thousand pieces. for the specified (10 years) period, it will be necessary to spend only ... 500 million dollars. Yes
      Oops ... and not so scary anymore.
      Moreover, the vulnerability from such ammunition arose solely from the suddenness of the use and unpreparedness of air defense for such threats ... But this is essentially a VERY EASY GOAL, if there is at least some margin of time to prepare the appropriate means. In World War II, such UAVs would not have caused any confusion and unavailability - fighters and cannon air defense were extremely numerous, but they would have been detected by acoustic reconnaissance stations - giving a bearing by ear. And visual observation posts. lol And today it is enough to put machine guns on sports and training propeller-driven aircraft (12,7 mm will be quite enough), train amateur pilots from flying clubs, and - voila. So such an effect from such drones will not be eternal.
      But having a stock of 10-100 thousand of such shock drones, even in peacetime, is very useful.
      Namely, now they need to be produced and purchased in the maximum possible quantities. And apply with the maximum possible mass.
      1. +2
        10 January 2023 10: 30
        Quote: bayard
        12,7 mm. will be enough

        5,45 is enough for him.
        Quote: bayard
        But having a stock of 10-100 thousand of such shock drones, even in peacetime, is very useful.
        Namely, now they need to be produced and purchased in the maximum possible quantities. And apply with the maximum possible mass.

        I agree, chickens are counted in the fall / snotty ones are kissed on time. As long as these ammunition are effective, they must be used and cannon-mounted air defense be prepared to repel attacks from such aircraft. Derivation, for example, of a caliber is enough to get in height, + tracking radar, and target designation will give a "big" air defense radar)
        1. +1
          10 January 2023 13: 59
          Derivation, for example, the caliber is enough to reach in height

          Where is she these Derivation only..
      2. 0
        10 January 2023 19: 22
        From "wild" ideas, innovations or things that turn the world upside down are sometimes born! hi
        To create a House with an adversary, the idea is quite working, you spend "penny" (when not millions of course, so many goals are stupidly impossible to find and to the production price, you need to add the cost of storage, the cost of deployment, and this is a whole army) on "mopeds", and the enemy bears incomparable costs for defense! In the initial period of the conflict, Geranium is quite a suitable topic, then when the enemy deploys (if he can, of course) massive object-based air defense, the effect will be so-so, but before that the enemy still needs to survive! tongue it is important to approach the matter wisely and take advantage of the effect received from Geraniums bully
      3. 0
        12 January 2023 00: 50
        Everything is "so", except for the scattering of fragments and the shock wave in the clear sky to the neighboring hang-glider with 12.7mm. A self-made single-piston model took off from the bench in front of the air club, despite the fact that the only hang-glider was at the 2nd head of the air club, right next to the shop with two "YAVA" and "IZH" both were sold, but there is "there" on the window ... well, Iranian / Iraqi IL-76, AN-12 .. with burnt tails and partially removed engines right there 500m behind the concrete wall of the Aircraft Plant .. I always wondered "how they were brought from there" if the traces of burning of the tails and wings are fatal, with a fragmentary lack of parts ...
      4. 0
        15 March 2023 09: 31
        Quote: bayard
        And today it is enough to put machine guns on sports and training propeller-driven aircraft (12,7 mm will be quite enough), train amateur pilots from flying clubs, and - voila

        Have they learned how to make aircraft engines, propellers and aviation gasoline for light aircraft like the Yak-3 again?
        Quote: bayard
        but they would be detected by acoustic reconnaissance stations - giving a bearing by ear.

        The speed of sound is 330 meters per second. A U-2 type aircraft flying a kilometer from the direction-finding station is detected by a sound direction finder with a lag of 30 meters. At 10 kilometers, the error will exceed 300 meters ..
    3. -1
      10 January 2023 09: 37
      Quote: Corona without virus
      Author, for some reason, a ridiculous amount of 100 lard for Russia is unbearable??? Three hundred lard have already been given to the West just like that

      Maybe since they gave 300? Yes, and three hundred, if you count everything kofikovany so far.
      And about the lack of money says such a fact, how much the deficit budget for this year. Trillions of rubles! Where will they be taken? If they just print it, it will again fall on the shoulders of the Russians in the form of inflation acceleration. The dollar is creeping up by the way, have you noticed?
      1. 0
        10 January 2023 10: 59
        The attacks of the "swarm" of Drones have long been tested in the United States, which means that the countermeasures to such attacks have also been tested there for a long time. And as for the Geraniums and Israel. The new laser weapon systems that are now being tested in conjunction with the "iron dome" are just perfect for this. good
        1. 0
          13 January 2023 11: 38
          With a mass attack, you won’t get enough lasers (they have been trying to bring them up since the 60s and I doubt that there will be any progress in the next 10 years, problems with the rate of fire will be unsolvable for a long time), the swarm will simply overload the air defense. Such birds can go at different levels, with different directions, with the support of electronic warfare.
      2. +3
        10 January 2023 17: 55
        Quote: Stas157
        And about the lack of money says such a fact, how much the deficit budget for this year. Trillions of rubles! Where will they be taken?

        The deficit was drawn because the budget expenditures increased. The budget of the Russian Federation in the revenue side is chronically surplus, and this profit has ALWAYS been sterilized in "reserve funds" (bonds of foreign states). Now we have decided to abandon this practice. This year, the size of the egg capsule has again grown by almost $200 billion.
        I suggest that the aforementioned budget deficit for this year will not exceed 60 billion dollars. So such a deficit without any problems can be covered by a PROFIT. Well, if there is not enough current surplus, then the egg-pod will be opened - it was declared for such cases.
        And yet - already on February 25 (or 26) last year, Putin announced that the Russian Federation from now on refuses to comply with the IMF's "Budget Rule" and, in addition, will make a phased domonetization of its economy up to 70% (of the 40% it had at that time .. although Putin said that "now it is 52%, but it is he so that the population is not shocked. And this is with a monetization rate of 100% !!!
        So there is enough money in the country, because despite the war, many national and infrastructure projects have fresh funding.
        Quote: Stas157
        If they just print it, it will again fall on the shoulders of the Russians in the form of inflation acceleration.

        If they print it and hand it out, or throw it into the speculative market, then yes. But firstly, inflation is now accelerating all over the world. And secondly, if these monetary masses go to investments, lending to the economy and strategic purchases of the state, then everything will be exactly the opposite - powerful economic growth and expansion of the tax base. In other words, tax collection will increase and the budget will naturally increase.
        Quote: Stas157
        The dollar is creeping up by the way, have you noticed?

        Firstly, it has always been like this at the end of the year, when Russian companies bought dollars for payments on foreign (former) loans. And the Central Bank during this period lifted up the foreign exchange rate for the sake of additional own profit.
        Reference :
        The Central Bank of the Russian Federation is a joint stock company registered in the United States, District of Columbia. In the Russian Federation, it acts as a branch of the IMF and the World Bank and executes only their orders. The government of the Russian Federation is out of control and this is written in the Constitution of the Russian Federation. E.S. Nabiulina is the Deputy Chairman of the IMF.
        This is to understand why the Central Bank of the Russian Federation is pursuing such a strange policy.
        The President of the Russian Federation can only nominate a new head of the Central Bank and approve it. But if the candidacy is not accepted (by the IMF), there will be no one to approve.
        And by the way, the strengthening of the ruble in the spring of last year was a form of sabotage by Nabiulina and the IMF as a whole, against the Russian Economy and the State. The economy and budget of the Russian Federation lost tens, if not hundreds of billions of dollars from this sabotage. And also, a number of exporting enterprises with high value-added goods became unprofitable / unprofitable. Some went broke or cut production drastically.
        But now - with the weakening of the ruble, it becomes much easier and more comfortable for them. And additional funds flowed into the budget.
        1. +2
          11 January 2023 00: 29
          The Central Bank of the Russian Federation is a joint stock company registered in the United States, District of Columbia. In the Russian Federation, it acts as a branch of the IMF and the World Bank and executes only their orders. The government of the Russian Federation is out of control and this is written in the Constitution of the Russian Federation

          Exactly. It was. But no longer. That's why the war happened. The Central Bank is already Russian. Those 300 lard are the share of Western shareholders. Let them keep it.
          1. 0
            11 January 2023 09: 34
            Quote: stankow
            Exactly. It was. But no longer. That's why the war happened. The Central Bank is already Russian.

            Well, in principle, Putin's statement on the second day of the SVO on the abolition of the "Budget Rule" from the IMF and plans to monetize the economy to 70% of GDP could be considered an application for this ... I hope that this is only the first step, and monetization will be brought to the global norm in 100%.
            And further . As long as Gref is alive, healthy and having fun, it's too early to say "no more". So far, only the first steps towards sovereignty have been taken. And the squabble of the towers under the carpet is desperate. But there are encouraging signs.
        2. 0
          11 January 2023 09: 23
          Quote: bayard
          And also became unprofitable / unprofitable whole line enterprises of exporters with highly processed goods. Some went bankrupt or cut production drastically

          In general, I agree with you. And your comments are always very interesting. But about whole line exporters, who are uncomfortable and ruined, would like more details.

          Apart from fossil and mineral products, not much else is sold. Chemistry (fertilizers) and steel under sanctions. What remains is wheat and timber. I don't think anyone is going bankrupt.

          The strengthening of the ruble was a breath of fresh air for people after the inflation shock, when the ruble was at 120. Prices stopped rising wildly, and some fell. A strong and firm ruble undoubtedly brought a pronounced positive effect to the stabilization of the entire economy, which went into disarray under the blows of sanctions. And the fact that at the same time, some exporter went bankrupt, this can not even be taken into account.
          1. 0
            11 January 2023 09: 56
            Quote: Stas157
            The strengthening of the ruble was a breath of fresh air for people after the inflation shock, when the ruble was at 120. Prices stopped rising wildly, and some fell.

            So it was necessary to strengthen the ruble to the board level - that is, up to 70 - 75 rubles. for dollars Our economy is export-oriented - exports seriously exceed imports, and profits are counted in rubles. As a result of the strengthening of the ruble to 50+ rubles. for dollars , all our exporters sank very seriously in profits. And if some categories were saved by increased exchange prices for energy, metals and food, then exporters with a low share of added value either lost money or lost their cost ... But many had long-term contracts ... and this is bankruptcy. And it concerned enterprises of high value added. The volumes there against resource traders are not so great, but these are our enterprises, our industry, and labor collectives are behind them.
            Quote: Stas157
            And the fact that someone mythical went bankrupt there can not even be taken into account.

            So you want to ride on the "oil needle"?
            But they are stubbornly cutting us off from world markets, putting pressure on China and India to join the "ceilings", imposing sanctions and embargoes, threatening our trading partners ... Yes, and the traditional markets for our imports have been closed to us. Under such conditions, the role of our own industry increases exponentially.
            So the return of the ruble to the usual rate for our economy is an unequivocal blessing. This will return the former profit margins to our exporters and increase tax revenues. For sustainable development, the stability of the national currency is critical, and not its literal exchange rate. And throws from 70 to 120, and then almost to 50, sorry - uniform sabotage. For almost the entire year, the economy and the budget of the Russian Federation received less profit in the ruble mass. These sums (underreceived) are simply huge.
            The multiplied gas prices, etc., gave a huge surplus in trade, but if the exchange rate was 70 rubles. , this surplus could be about twice that. Agree , in a war it certainly would not be superfluous .
            1. 0
              11 January 2023 12: 26
              Quote: bayard
              This will bring back the old profit margins for our exporters and increase tax revenue

              The first sanctions strike by the West in 2022 was on the maximum reduction in imports. Russia handles it quite well. The second and stronger blow will be in 2023 on the reduction of Russian exports. It will be harder to bear. This is what the economist Hestanov says (his forecasts have been very popular lately). The profits of our exporters may be physically reduced. But the price of a currency in a closed economy does not matter much.

              Quote: bayard
              but be the course 70 rubles. , this surplus could be about twice as large

              I agree - in cheaper rubles, which have lost part of their value and their content. But in literal terms, there will be no more currency or goods from this. The ruble exchange rate is nothing more than a reflection of the temperature in the economy. Stable is a healthy economy, volatile, on the contrary, is a reflection of problems.
              1. +2
                13 January 2023 08: 12
                Quote: Stas157
                The second and stronger blow will be in 2023 on the reduction of Russian exports. It will be harder to bear.

                It will be harder to contain if India and China join in the sanctions and price caps on our exports. In principle, they can push through such a decision, but this is if Russia fails at the fronts. And this will no longer be the case. 2023 will be the year of the final solution of the Ukrainian issue. And when this issue is resolved, Russia will be in a completely different qualitative state. The year will be very difficult and turning point. And if the understanding that the fortress under siege will lose the war sooner or later wins, then all issues will be resolved in the right direction for us. And the verse:
                "Like - don't like
                Russia is expanding
                ... will become more and more popular both in our country and in the world.
        3. 0
          12 January 2023 01: 00
          !One year left before the elections. in three states and some small countries. !!before NG, they decided to "start/bomb in a new way", after all, according to the results of Akhrkov at the end of summer, "not our population". !!! "Gosbank" should not be. today, 11.01. made by "BANK POINT" retail small business for the needs of small and medium-sized businesses, go and lend to everyone, work harder. Of course, checkmate is not allowed. And here is the "commissioning of new housing" at the end of 2023 "how it is seen":?
  2. +2
    10 January 2023 05: 17
    In what volumes can UAVs like "Geran-2" or "Shahed 136" be produced?

    Here the most important factor is the price. Earlier we said that the cost of the Geran-2 UAV is estimated in the range from $20 to $000. Let's take something in between - $ 200. Then a million Geranium-000 UAVs will cost $100 (one hundred billion dollars). For Russia, this amount is unbearable, as well as for the rest of the world, with the exception of the United States.


    As for Russia, if it doesn’t work out to reach a volume of a million items a year, then, with a strong desire, it is most likely possible to reach hundreds of thousands. But only with great desire and determination at the level of the country's top leadership. Of course, we return to the cost factor. If the cost of the conditional "Geran-RF" can be kept at $20, a maximum of $000, then potentially our country will pull a million products a year, even to the detriment of the purchase of some other weapons, because a million UAVs "Geran-RF "will give our armed forces much more opportunities than the "Armaty", "Sarmaty", Tu-30M ​​and many other types of weapons that are now unable to significantly affect the course of the conflict.

    Does the author have a split?
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    2. +6
      10 January 2023 09: 06
      after all, a million UAVs "Geran-RF" will give our armed forces much more opportunities than the "Armaty", "Sarmaty", Tu-160M ​​and many other types of weapons that are now unable to significantly affect the course of the conflict.

      bullshit. I will not discuss your and the author's nonsense about the need for "millions of Geraniums". The question is different - that not a single army in the world has won and is unlikely to win wars due to the only type of weapons. Well, only if, as in Star Wars, you fit the Death Star and turn the planet into gas at once. War has been and will always be a complex of means and measures. Yes, wars are different. with different purposes. And the countries participating in these wars are different, with varying degrees of readiness of their armed forces. And you are all one size fits all - "a million Geraniums make the Sarmatians and Tu-160 unnecessary ....". Well, come on, offer a scenario for a war with a million Geraniums against the United States, without Sarmat and Tu-160. Only without fantasy
      1. -5
        10 January 2023 12: 01
        There is such a weapon called the US Navy aircraft carrier.
    3. 0
      12 January 2023 01: 03
      the author does not have a "bifurcation", at the beginning of the article an American general, a flotilla commander, prices in "cu", the country "ours" is mentioned in BLACK on white. CIPSO apparently cannot in the comments. They climbed into the "impudent" into the "head".
  3. +1
    10 January 2023 05: 26
    The question of price is not at all here, more is stolen from Russia every year, but the issue of production is really key, these are chips and engines, and it will take years and years to reach a reasonable production rate
  4. +1
    10 January 2023 05: 35
    Then how many Shahed 136 UAVs are in service with Iran? Four thousand? Ten thousand? Even if right now Iran does not have ten thousand Shahed 136 UAVs, then with a high probability they can produce such a quantity, or even much more, in 5-10 years.

    No, they can't!
    The author's fantasy and his complete isolation from reality are surprising!
    The kamikaze drone uses a four-cylinder horizontally opposed two-stroke air-cooled gasoline engine that develops 50 hp. s., which is a clone of the German Limbach L550E. It is not at all a fact that Iran will be able to produce so many engines. In addition, the stocks of GPS navigators in Iran are also not endless.
    Also, Geranium's effectiveness has dropped a lot lately, and it's not a Wunderwaffe at all.
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      1. -1
        10 January 2023 07: 40
        Have you tried following the news? For a month, the shaheeds disappeared altogether, when the hype rose and Iran said that the supply was before the war. Then they returned, but the strikes were rare and few in number. Maybe they are launching what is left of early deliveries.
        In general, the effect was from the first two waves of blows. Each subsequent one was weaker and the gaps were longer.
        As I said back in October, these strikes are not senseless, but harmful. It is impossible to destroy the energy infrastructure, it is pointless to spend missiles and UAVs on civilian objects, and not on military targets, Ukraine has received modern air defense.
        After these blows, we became weaker, they are stronger. Bravo!
        1. +6
          10 January 2023 09: 48
          It is impossible to destroy the energy infrastructure

          this is from your naive point of view. There is no need to "destroy". IMHO there are two main tasks:
          1. have an impact on industrial potential. Any heavy industry enterprise is a giant consumer of electricity. And you can't provide it with any generators and temporary huts. By creating an interruption in the supply of electricity, you automatically create interruptions in the functioning of enterprises in the industry.
          2. creating a psychological impact on the population. An excellent measure for the oppression of any desire to fight. Modern people are not besieged Leningrad for you - they would rather evacuate to Europe and from there to the FB "fight the orcs" than endure hardships. And the population is a strategic resource of the state.
          After these blows, we became weaker, they are stronger. Bravo!

          Well, if you are a citizen of Ukraine, then indeed
          1. -3
            10 January 2023 22: 29
            Quote: Ka-52
            creating a psychological impact on the population. An excellent measure for the oppression of any desire to fight.

            In a very short term.
            History has repeatedly shown that in the long run this causes a diametrically opposite effect. Foam blows away, fear passes, society becomes angry, consolidates and is determined to fight back.
            1. 0
              11 January 2023 05: 38
              Foam blows away, fear passes, society becomes angry, consolidates and becomes determined to fight back.

              From the point of view of the psychology of crises, this is not how things happen. Yes, the initial fear and panic pass. But with prolonged stress, there is always (!!!) persistent and deep psychological depression. On the one hand, a person's pain threshold decreases, but on the other hand, his desire to fight, to change something, also decreases. Will and aspiration are often replaced by stupor and passivity. This is very clearly seen in the servicemen who have been on the front line for a long time under continuous fire. Combat stress, if you do not remove it with alcohol, drugs or special medications, can and did bring people to a complete loss of combat capability. In the civilian population, this manifests itself in less pronounced forms, but with a long-term cumulative effect, it is also a serious factor. You are misinterpreting historical examples. Society at such moments ceases to exist on its own. It simply turns into a mass, in view of the absence of its own will, it is easily controlled and directed. But this requires a government with a firm hand and will. In the USSR it was, but in France - no. Outcome is known.
              The determination to fight back is very well supported by the belief in victory. But it is very difficult to believe in victory when you cannot get out of the subway because of the shelling, your family freezes in an unheated apartment, without electricity, water and sewerage. In this case, the instinct of self-preservation will quickly push you to flee, to emigrate to more prosperous areas or countries. And this means that there, in the city, the industry will lose your working hands. It was not in vain that I wrote above - the population is the same strategic resource during the war as industry or the army,
              1. -3
                12 January 2023 22: 48
                Quote: Ka-52
                On the one hand, a person's pain threshold decreases, but on the other hand, his desire to fight, to change something, also decreases. Will and aspiration are often replaced by stupor and passivity.

                Tell that to the Afghans, the Vietnamese, the Koreans, the Irish. There will always be a part of society - ready to fight to the end, regardless of the lack of chances. Moreover, this group motivates the whole society, receiving support from it.
                In the entire history of mankind, not a single society has been able to break down by force or terror. That is why in ancient times, the conquerors destroyed men and assimilated women with children, or massacred everyone. Half measures don't work.

                Quote: Ka-52
                This is very clearly visible in the servicemen who have been on the front line for a long time under continuous fire.

                Firstly, for a long time is a loose concept, and secondly, it depends on motivation and awareness of one's chances of survival.

                Quote: Ka-52
                Society at such moments ceases to exist on its own. It simply turns into a mass, in view of the absence of its own will, it is easily controlled and directed.

                selectively easily controlled, as long as the self-identity of this society is not destroyed, it is easy to control it only by wool. This is what various radical movements within this society use. The more you clench your fist, the less will remain in it, more will come out through your fingers.

                Quote: Ka-52
                The determination to fight back is very well supported by the belief in victory.

                Or the lack of an alternative. If the mouse is driven into a corner, it rushes at the cat. Did the Israelis have a lot of victory in the 73rd? Yes, she didn’t exist at all, there was panic in society, but there was a choice - to die in battle, or kneeling before the executioner. We know the result.

                Quote: Ka-52
                the instinct of self-preservation will push you to run faster, to emigrate to more prosperous areas or countries.

                Apparently we have a really different mentality.
                1. 0
                  14 January 2023 20: 51
                  israeli troll showed up again to belittle iran and pomp USA and israel
                  that's must be full time jobe becaus on every positive article you trying hard to spread anti iranian propaganda
        2. 0
          10 January 2023 15: 23
          They destroy objects, they divert air defenses to themselves, some of them are aimed at radars themselves. This is not a super weapon, it should be everyday in 404. And you need the same glider but with the head of the Lancet to hunt for Hymars and clusters of militants on the 2nd line (analogue of Harop)
    2. 0
      10 January 2023 09: 52
      No, they can't!

      Quite possibly, Olga. Technically. If the cut is not about stupidity in "millions of UAVs", but about tens of thousands, then this is possible for Iran. And it is possible to scale the production of engines. Just with large batches over the course of several years, it is easier to mobilize production than small-scale from time to time. And you can buy navigators in China.
    3. +1
      10 January 2023 11: 49
      What a self-confident statement!
      You made a request to Iran and you were told that they cannot produce Shaheds in such quantities?
      Can I see a screenshot of the message?
  5. +5
    10 January 2023 05: 49
    A million "Geraniums" immediately at the start of production will lead to an adequate response. The enemy will strengthen air defense, create a "UAV destroyer", develop and put into production a whole range of UAVs from reconnaissance to strategic and also hundreds of thousands. But with this "new epidemic" you need to look for and implement methods of struggle, and this is a fact. From simple networks around objects to laser air defense, and this is already yesterday. In general, the topic of high-precision weapons is extensive and topical for our aircraft.
    1. +2
      10 January 2023 08: 28
      [quote] UAV fighter", [/quote easier - a new round of MZS, with radar and acoustics
  6. -18
    10 January 2023 05: 51
    Yes, in Kyiv and Odessa with Lvov to shy away with a nuclear charge and that's it, the war is won.
    1. 0
      10 January 2023 13: 48
      In Kyiv, and especially Odessa, why shy away?
      1. -3
        10 January 2023 15: 19
        Russia shows its power, saves the lives of soldiers, but as for Khokhlyat relatives, this is the problem of Ukrainians.
    2. -3
      10 January 2023 22: 36
      Quote: landromat
      Yes, in Kyiv and Odessa with Lvov to shy away with a nuclear charge and that's it, the war is won.

      The battle is perhaps, the war is definitely not.
      After this, Kyiv "suddenly" will find a dozen warheads, allegedly buried since the times of the USSR, which will fly to Russian cities.
      And you can’t fasten anyone, to all the shocks of radiological measurements that they say the plutonium in these charges is American, the West will shout “fsevrete”.
      And what is left to do? Wiped out after losing millions of people? Or start the last world war and die heroically, taking half the world with you?
  7. +7
    10 January 2023 06: 01
    Hmm... A bad clone of an Israeli harpy made in the 80s is perceived as a game changer. If you notice, shaheeds are practically not used against military targets. They are useless against them. Against stationary units, the charge is small, moving targets cannot be hit, it is detected and knocked down at once.
    There are many times better analogues, but they cost different money. It is sad that we perceive such crafts as the pinnacle of progress.
    1. +4
      10 January 2023 07: 07
      Quote from cold wind
      If you notice, shaheeds are practically not used against military targets.

      if you notice, then the "geraniums" are sharpened to destroy the infrastructure.
      1. -2
        10 January 2023 23: 02
        Quote: Aerodrome
        if you notice, then the "geraniums" are sharpened to destroy the infrastructure.

        Civil infrastructure, which, in principle, is not designed for war.
    2. -1
      11 January 2023 08: 45
      Well, you are not the first day on this resource. I think they easily noted the pattern that this “wunderwaffle” in fact did not have any significant impact on the course of hostilities, exactly what is being promoted by “specially trained” (read beaten on the head) authors and the same “special” commentators.
      Any sane person understands that these mopeds are absolutely unsuitable for achieving goals in a war of this scale and format.
      The weapon of terror as it is .... actually the fact that Iran is their dad confirms this ...
      Well, how is a patriotic site without victorious news and miracle weapons ???
      It's like bread without salt
  8. +2
    10 January 2023 06: 21
    The second war, when everyone, from the Balts to the Kazakhs, not to mention Poland and Ukraine, will have thousands of kamikaze drones, will be much harder
    1. 0
      10 January 2023 10: 45
      I think that Geraniums were liked by all parties ...... And in the place of Ukraine, I would launch the mass production of such drones. They will definitely fly to us, cheap and cheerful. And unlike Ukraine, we have many "soft" civilian targets, for which Geranium and 404s will consider getting into the stadium a military victory and the West will not condemn them.
  9. +8
    10 January 2023 06: 51
    recourse
    Bring Domantsev back
    There were hypothetical meetings between the F-16BlokB and the Su-57 equipped with the AFAR769-Vykhukhol radar, but a thousand Geraniums with spent reactor fuel along with Kassams along Sderot, and a million along Brussels is too much.
    Bring back Domantsev. He is harmless.
    1. +3
      10 January 2023 10: 42
      I wonder where the number in a million comes from?) No more and no less)
      1. -1
        10 January 2023 23: 04
        Quote: Sergey_tactics
        I wonder where the million figure comes from?

        From Ilf and Petrov, apparently. lol
    2. 0
      13 January 2023 11: 53
      You offended Damantsev, he will no longer please you with his opuses.
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  11. +3
    10 January 2023 07: 30
    The main mistake of many commentators is that they are again going to buy something all over the world. When a million drones are made, anti-drone weapons will appear.
    The basis of the country's security is not the ability to buy something somewhere, but the ability to invent, put into production, and massively drive to the front.
    We need workers and engineers, not speculators and hucksters.
    1. 0
      10 January 2023 10: 41
      As an inventor, I will say that, judging by the attitude, they are just not needed. Designers are needed to rewrite the same drawings from year to year, or beautifully copy other people's designs. "Reverse engineering", now it's called that.
  12. +3
    10 January 2023 07: 41
    Mdaaa...! Again "Mitrofanovshchina"! The reason why he won’t calm down in any way (you chase him out the door, and he climbs out the window ...) is understandable ... (I really want to eat (!); and before dinner it’s nice to drink a glass of cognac ...) But, really , "the people" are not tired of this "rebirth" of the old "Manilovism" into the modern "Mitrofanovism" ?! After all, this whole "epic of Gavrila" (that is, A. Mitrofanov ...) is divorced from reality and "sucked from the finger"! Him what! Turn your shoulder...swing your arm! And she went to "write the province" (that is, to knock "clave")! But don't the "people" feel sorry for their time? (For example, I mastered the number of lines ... somewhere, up to 10 ... I could no longer .... I wanted to sleep!) I would also like to ask the VO administration ...: "topvar" has a "midlife crisis "that serious, but "informative and entertaining" ... and "violent", but "terribly" interesting articles have ceased to be printed? For what reasons did "Mitrofanovism" come to replace them?
    1. +2
      10 January 2023 10: 47
      Well, I don’t know, I found his stubborn advertisement for PLABs, which he passes off as a “new and unique” development of “drones”, quite funny, I would even say with humor, I don’t feel sorry for the like, the rest, yes, nonsense. But you still need to have a lot of barreled air defense, well, just in case, especially since barreled air defense allows you to work not only in the air.
    2. +1
      11 January 2023 08: 54
      And I never read his Ryabov, Staver, Skomorokh, Fedorov, their style immediately after 2 paragraphs is understandable.
      I immediately go to the comments, there is all the pulp))
  13. +6
    10 January 2023 08: 41
    According to various estimates, the cost of the Geran-2 UAV ranges from $20 to $000.


    Price? Rather, the price. And the cost of production (cost) is several times lower. Hardly more than 7000-10000 bucks. With mass - it will still decrease at times.
    The problem is not money, but the availability of the necessary raw materials (for example, rare earth metals or the like), components and production equipment.

    And there is no need to make another "prodigy" out of drones. For every poison there is an antidote. Electronic warfare and electronic warfare (electronic countermeasures). Drones rely on GPS or equivalent, but such systems can be distorted, making these weapons ineffective / inaccurate. Or advance work on emitters: lasers or microwave guns that will burn electronics (they can’t be screened especially on a drone).
    So, such a weapon works most effectively against the next "Papuan", into which Ukraine is gradually turning.
    1. +1
      10 January 2023 13: 55
      The navigation system can be very different. Up to being completely inertial and turning on at the last moment with pointing at the object’s photo and recognition using a neural network.
  14. +5
    10 January 2023 08: 58
    Quote: Tucan
    Chinese internal combustion engine copied from a Western engine

    I didn’t even get a taste, but there’s no way to assemble a couple of automated lines for the production of "copies of these internal combustion engines"? I think in a couple of workshops it will all fit. and the cost of the engine will be at the level of 30 tr.
    1. +1
      10 January 2023 09: 56
      Moreover, copied in the 70s-80s by Iran, a 4-cylinder on Geranium 2 and a Chinese Wankel on Geranium-1
    2. +2
      10 January 2023 10: 49
      What for? Do we not have factories of motor engines IZH, Ural and others?
      1. +1
        10 January 2023 11: 45
        There are no factories for the production of motorcycles in Russia for a long time!
        There is only the Ural manufactory, which manufactures motorcycles by the piece, comparable in price to BMW.
  15. +1
    10 January 2023 09: 00
    Quote: bayard
    And today it is enough to put machine guns on sports and training propeller-driven aircraft (12,7 mm will be quite enough), train amateur pilots from flying clubs, and - voila. So such an effect from such drones will not be eternal.

    Well, now we don’t have so many sports aircraft, so the Yak-52 still had a reserve for installing weapons of the same machine guns. So the same mi 24 with a machine gun and a shooter is much more dangerous for geraniums. So the Sosna air defense system with their cheap missiles comparable in price to geraniums will mow them down even without a radar. the price of missiles for Sosna was announced at 10 k greens cheaper than the cost of MANPADS. Modern sound direction finding equipment can very accurately issue target designation for air defense systems. There are already mines for helicopters capable of accurately hitting a landing helicopter with sound guidance with a fragmentation field.
    1. 0
      10 January 2023 10: 12
      There are many problems here: the main one is to detect. For this, either balloons with AFAR or (and) AWACS are needed in large numbers. And the second part - what and how to bring down. From the ground part - they made a ZR for the ZRPK Shell of small caliber and 57mm. How to destroy from the air is a problem.
      1. -2
        10 January 2023 23: 40
        Quote: Zaurbek
        For this, either balloons with AFAR are needed



        Quote: Zaurbek
        And the second part - what and how to shoot down.



        This is in the context of the author's statement about the threat to Israel of Iranian raids.
        1. 0
          11 January 2023 15: 30
          The laser is one of the options for defeat. As we know - not an ultimatum. The same Phalanx 20mm .. not bad.
  16. 0
    10 January 2023 09: 43
    The Russian Federation is not so important now - there is a war going on, it is necessary to use all available resources.

    I’m wondering: Iran copied the original MD550 back in the Iran-Iraq war ..... At the very least, UAVs have been developed in Russia since the 10s and a similar internal combustion engine has not yet been created. As?! At the same time, Iran put motors from Japanese motorcycles before copying, and the USSR had the production of motorcycles and their motors ... What "secret" technologies for the Russian Federation are there in Geran that prevent their full localization and mass production?
    1. +5
      10 January 2023 11: 43
      Soviet motorcycle engines are also copies from German motorcycle engines.
      In the USSR, all cars and motorcycles are borrowed from the West, with the exception of the Niva.
      1. -1
        10 January 2023 14: 24
        And Niva too .... A similar Fiat was with a fully independent suspension. What's the difference if the full cycle of the internal combustion engine has been mastered?
        1. 0
          10 January 2023 15: 12
          Yes, there is no difference.
          The USSR has been raising the economy since the 30s. And then China followed this path.
    2. 0
      10 January 2023 14: 01
      Exactly, but it is necessary to start with the resumption of the production of mopeds and motorcycles, then there will be mass production of pistons and piston rings of the right size, fuel equipment and other things.
      They may be mistaken, but in my opinion, these industries have been destroyed in the country by Euro environmental standards.
      1. +1
        10 January 2023 14: 26
        There are drawings, there are metals and alloys .... The 3D printer will make you any paraffin blank for the desired shape. What are the secrets there? MD55 is somehow more complicated than an internal combustion engine from AvtoVAZ?
        1. +1
          10 January 2023 15: 33
          Fuel equipment or piston rings cannot be printed on the printer.
          1. 0
            11 January 2023 16: 16
            On the original there is a carburetor, rings and equipment are made by Avtovaz and ZMZ and UMZ (these are gasoline, if only) KAMAZ and Gas also, Tutaevsky ...
      2. 0
        10 January 2023 15: 07
        Resume the production of motorcycles and mopeds for which there is no demand, in order to get an engine for a shock drone into production?
        Monsieur knows a lot about perversions!
        1. +2
          10 January 2023 15: 31
          Motorcycles and mopeds are not for sale, the reason has already been mentioned more than once. In addition to them, there are also electric generators, mowers, cultivators and other equipment that requires internal combustion engines and components.
  17. +2
    10 January 2023 10: 28
    In order to qualitatively implement a large number of WTOs, first of all, a powerful intelligence and control system is needed.
  18. +2
    10 January 2023 10: 44
    Quote: insafufa
    the price of missiles for Sosna was announced at 10 k greens cheaper than the cost of MANPADS modern sound direction finding equipment can very accurately give target designation for air defense systems

    Well, you can try to imagine an image of an automated anti-aircraft installation. 3 ton container. on top is a rotating turret with a machine gun and optical and sound sensors mounted on it. There are also sensors on the container itself. inside the computer and power.
    work: the container stands near the guarded object. container sensors detected a signal in the spectrum similar to a UAV. determined the direction. the turret turns around, already accurately calculates the direction with its sensors. queue of 3 shots, analysis of the result, if not then repeat.
    there are no radiating elements, anti-radar ones are useless. in thermal also do not glow. the price is more than geraniums, but they are not disposable. Again, mass production. installation anywhere.
    something like this...
  19. +1
    10 January 2023 11: 36
    The author really thinks that if a thousand other UAVs fly in the direction of the Russian Federation, then a dozen Sarmats will not fly in response? )))

    I can assure you, they will fly out very quickly))
    1. 0
      10 January 2023 14: 28
      Here from Ukraine, count what flew: -1pc Cruiser, BRIDGE, etc.
  20. +4
    10 January 2023 11: 43
    Once Khrushchev was imbued with the idea that missiles are our everything and created such a bias in the armament of the Armed Forces that we crawled out of it for twenty years. And the author is there.
    There is no panacea, it's time to understand this, finally. On a tricky well .. there is always x .. with a screw.
    1. +1
      10 January 2023 12: 14
      So rockets are really our everything!
      Here are the Strategic Missile Forces and Caliber and Air Defense.
      Helicopters have already given way to strike drones in history, tanks have also turned into a white sheet and are crawling to the cemetery if the massive introduction of KAZ does not change the state of affairs. Aviation is fighting in Ukraine from the territory of Russia.
      Only the infantry and artillery hold the mark.
      1. 0
        10 January 2023 14: 37
        The Black Sea Fleet lost its flagship in general during the NVO period, and this did not have an opponent in the face of the Ukrainian fleet at all!
    2. +2
      10 January 2023 15: 10
      Quote: Conjurer
      Once Khrushchev was imbued with the idea that missiles are our everything and created such a bias in the armament of the Armed Forces that we crawled out of it for twenty years.

      Both sides were good. Khrushchev's rocket design was a response to the stubborn preparation of Soviet generals and admirals for the war 15 years ago. The USSR Armed Forces, with perseverance worthy of better use, were preparing to destroy the adversary in Europe - while the fate of the USSR would be decided in places that neither the army, nor the aviators, nor the fleet simply could reach.

      So, in general, the actions of the NSH were quite reasonable - to throw all efforts into developing means of guaranteed delivery of SBCs to enemy territory: BR, SLBM, SLCM and ALCM + their carriers. For the inevitability of retribution is the best guarantee of a lasting peace. Plus, to cover the country from the most massive means of delivery of these SBCs available to the enemy - "forty-seventh" and "half a second". And this had to be done by abandoning the "systems of the last war" - aircraft with "cast iron", artillery ships of post-war and slightly turned over pre-war projects, etc.
  21. +1
    10 January 2023 11: 53
    It's hard to disagree with the author. The only effective weapon against such an armada of UAVs may be to deprive them of their means of communication and navigation. Therefore, Russia should declare the near-Earth space above its territory as a sovereign area of ​​space and grant a similar right to other countries. The dimensions of this area should exclude visual and radar reconnaissance of the territory of Russia by unfriendly countries. And then this area must be cleaned up with all the "proletarian" determination, not paying attention to the threats of a military conflict. Let them try to fight without eyes and ears. It is clear that in relation to the satellite constellation of the Russian Federation, similar measures will most likely be applied. To replace the low-orbit constellation of lost satellites, it is urgent to develop stratospheric unmanned airships that patrol around the clock along the border of Russia and friendly countries. Raised to a height of 50 km with radar and visual reconnaissance equipment, they are capable of monitoring an area with a radius of 850 km around the clock. Such means can receive the main part of the energy from photocells built into the airship shell. It is clear that even taking into account the vast border of Russia, not very many such means are required. But a continuous radar field will be created over Russia, capable of detecting threats in a timely manner and aiming weapons at them. Such a measure will prevent bacchanalia in space. Stratospheric airships do not cancel the satellite constellation. Only in this case will it be necessary to lay satellite orbits over the safe territories of the Earth or to agree with each other on the problems of the safe use of satellites over sovereign territories. Otherwise, Russia will face very serious problems.
  22. +1
    10 January 2023 12: 11
    Fresh working out from nuclear reactors will drown out all the electronics on the UAV, and the older one must be transported by railway trains in order to create significant pollution. So the role of a "dirty bomb" is either targeted acts of terrorism such as polonium, or land mines on one's own territory to use the "scorched earth" tactics in the conditions of a deep enemy breakthrough.
  23. +1
    10 January 2023 12: 16
    The storm is rising, it's all reminiscent of the beginning of the last century and the Douai doctrine, they say the bomber will always break through. This is a typical cyclical struggle between armor and projectile. There is definitely no need to put eggs in one basket with a million drones.
    1. 0
      10 January 2023 22: 10
      The article made me smile! Bundling up a million UAVs for a war with the United States looks very stupid. And most importantly, it's expensive! Because the majority will be shot down on the way to the target. An old idea from the times of the USSR looks like an old idea from the times of the USSR - a strike with warheads in the St. Andreas fault, which is why half of the United States is sliding into the sea! By the way, the traitor Oleg Kalugin, the ex-KGB general who moved to the United States and tickled the nerves of American inhabitants on excursions with his own presence, scared the Americans with this. So he earned money when he was thrown out after the collapse of the Union, as unnecessary. And the military expert Sivkov believes that it is even more effective - this is a megaton warhead in the Yellowstone volcano - then the entire territory of the United States is covered with a copper basin, but the weather in the world can deteriorate! Due to volcanic ash. And it is better to save the UAV for the battlefield - it will be more useful!
  24. -1
    10 January 2023 12: 17
    Potentially, yes, a problem. Cheap point weapon, relatively hard to shoot down.
    In fact, there are weaknesses, and I am very skeptical about "million-dollar productions". The weapon has a number of vulnerabilities that will prevent its use in this way.

    1) Dependence on satellite guidance. On the eve of a major military conflict or at its beginning, the issue of preventive mowing of the enemy SG will be quite relevant to itself. How this will be done is not important - atmospheric nuclear explosions or interceptors (if they have time to launch or if there is something to control them by then), but after that the effectiveness of satellite guidance will unpredictably sag. There are also technologies for jamming and replacing the GPS signal - even now they are POSSIBLY not used to the fullest. It would be a problem to hide the production of masses of "Geraniums" from enemy intelligence, and during this period it is not a super problem to train electronic warfare to replace / jam the signal.
    Theoretically, Geraniums can be attached to AI brains that combine an inertial guidance system with a high-resolution camera that compares a satellite map of the area for targeting. This will not greatly increase the cost of the project (by 10 percent of the strength), making it completely autonomous from satellites (except for optical reconnaissance). In this case, there would be more problems with countermeasures ...

    2) From the photos of the "Geran carriers" it is clearly visible that 5 apparatuses are placed in the launch container, despite the fact that it itself is damned overall and is moved by a truck. It is possible to produce at least a billion Geraniums, the important thing here is that each of them takes up a certain volume (considerable) during storage and transportation.
    Offhand in the photo of the "geranian" is a 20-foot container, it's about 6 * 2 meters, it has 5 devices, respectively. standard 40ft cont. will transport them (in combat readiness) no more than 10 pieces. This is 100 container flights to transport this "wealth". Of course, you can apponirovat the fact that they can be moved to parse. form. It is possible, and it will be more compact, etc.
    I only point out that in addition to the conditional 100 thousand of the price of the device, it is worth adding transportation (in assembled form, 000 pieces per container) and assembly, if we saved on transportation.
    This should be done by someone, and these are non-sour volumes of employees, as well as logistics costs.
    But the cherry on top of the problem is the conditional storage of even 20 geraniums in the frontline zone.
    As we have already seen, 5 vehicles fit into 6*2 and are transported by truck. To launch (from non-stationary positions) 20 vehicles will require 000 truck raids, despite the fact that, as we see from the NWO now (from photos from the battlefields, for example), cargo and passenger vehicles in the war are now minced meat without an account. But 4 is 000/20 of a million. How are we going to launch such a quantity?

    3) Storage. All these 6 * 2 with G will have to be placed somewhere - and not just somewhere, but also "somehow". Just pile on the conveyors - this will immediately fly in and there will be a first-class salute. Disperse? We have tens of thousands of containers. Not only will their rent itself "bite", it will also be very difficult to hide it, not to mention elementary protection. 1 container is 5 devices, 1 enemy analogue will arrive - for 1 minus 5.
    Placing in huge warehouses is also fraught - this is overconcentration. 1 caliber will arrive and "everything is in dust" from the word at all. Or sabotage, for example.
    Launching from fixed positions also involves storage, as does launching from large offshore platforms. Not just storage, but overall storage. And that's the problem.

    4) Opposition. With satellite guidance - electronic warfare, removal of satellites. With inertial mapping - low-power mobile anti-optical lasers, networks, air barriers. Impact on accumulation sites and delivery vehicles, air defense separation in the direction of maximum threat (if launched from stationary positions).
    Finally, the development of UAV interceptors capable of hovering at a higher echelon for quite a long time, and either warning ground services about the appearance of an UAV, or capable of working on it with automatic weapons. At a G speed of 150-170 km / h, this does not seem to be a problem.

    But in terms of alarmism in countering UAVs, I agree with you, this is an extremely unpleasant phenomenon with great potential ..
  25. +3
    10 January 2023 12: 25
    It causes respect that it is possible to write such a volume, operating with various concepts, and without eating ....
  26. +4
    10 January 2023 12: 41
    In my youth, I joined the MZhK, a Komsomol youth brigade was organized and we worked in the production of the Druzhba chainsaw. I sharpened and polished for a change of 1000 crankshafts. Mostly women worked. There would be a desire and it is possible to organize the production of engines and airframes in any quantity.
    1. 0
      10 January 2023 19: 56
      ". I sharpened-grinded for a change of 1000 crankshafts." what is it about.
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  27. fiv
    0
    10 January 2023 13: 03
    Good article, very helpful. It would be in every office, yes in the middle of the table, yes every day.
  28. 0
    10 January 2023 15: 58
    It is no secret that the Shaids are equipped with a Chinese internal combustion engine copied from a Western engine. We do not produce such motors, and Chinese companies, fearing secondary sanctions, will not supply them to us.

    This is an easy problem to solve. Pulsating right-hand flow engines for aircraft models (like the V-1) were made in aircraft modeling circles. They do not have torque parts and bearings and the price will be an order of magnitude lower than that of an internal combustion engine. Fuel can also be cheaper, including coal fire.
    One drawback, the range will be somewhat less or the UAV must carry more fuel. .
  29. 0
    10 January 2023 16: 22
    Quote: spirit
    The attacks of the "swarm" of Drones have long been tested in the United States, which means that the countermeasures to such attacks have also been tested there for a long time. And as for the Geraniums and Israel. The new laser weapon systems that are now being tested in conjunction with the "iron dome" are just perfect for this. good

    What if it rains/fogs? Instead of a laser, use the beam of St. Lazarus? :)
  30. -1
    10 January 2023 16: 27
    The author is well done - amused notably !!!
  31. 0
    10 January 2023 17: 32
    from the horror that the author described and predicted and there is a nuclear triad, any strike on the territory of the Russian Federation or its bases, and no matter what weapon a nuclear strike should be delivered in response by all available means, but then everything ... the curtain
  32. 0
    10 January 2023 20: 35
    The very idea of ​​developing the concept of the massive use of drones to attack enemy infrastructure is promising. But the option "to switch from supersonic missiles to cheap drones" is wrong. Because the bias of the army's strike weapons towards the use of zhrongv will lead to the fact that a potential (or even real) enemy will adapt his air defense to our "specialization", saving a lot of money and resources on reducing air defense systems from other types of weapons.

    So you can’t just mobilize production only for the mass production of drones. Everything must be in balance so that in any situation there is an opportunity to solve the problem in several ways.

    But still, I note that there is a way to increase the effectiveness of dealing damage to the enemy using such massive drones.

    This is to come up with a way to global sync. To implement the concept, "brains" and a "director" are needed. Brains are the computing complex of each drone separately. Which not only after all, the drone analyzes the information from the sensors, but also allows you to exchange data with other drones in the group and make decisions together. As for example, in a group of 20 drones that fly towards the target being hit, one flies not as close to the ground as possible, but at an altitude of several hundred meters, for a better view. And he transmits to everyone else the data that he observes. And when approaching the location of the target. Drones themselves are divided into 2-3 subgroups, enter the target from different sides and distribute among themselves.
    The director is a global program, almost an AI, which can be located both on a secure base deep in the rear of the country, and on some kind of ship / aircraft. This director already analyzes all the information from all available intelligence information, and, using this data, organizes a chain commands for ALL drone groups that are involved in the operation. The director calculates the launch time of each group of drones, taking into account their distance to the target, the type of target and the "scenario" of the attack. It is at the command of the "director" that all groups are launched during massive use of the drone. He, if necessary, redirects groups to new targets. Or it deliberately creates "false" directions in order to further redirect groups to the true areas.
    Brains - give intelligence at the level of a drone in a group.
    Director - gives intelligence at the level of the WHOLE swarm, consisting of many groups of attackers on the Director's commands.
  33. +1
    10 January 2023 21: 05
    No, Geranium is no longer effective, slow, noisy - they have learned to deal with them. As a distraction bait to spend air defense missiles and identify their positions - it will still work. The next step in the evolution of kamikaze drones is obvious! This is a smart drone. Smart drones with a developed neural network that receives general commands from the operator: fly to that area, find self-propelled guns, destroy them, if you don’t find them, you can destroy any other equipment. Yes, the neural network can be fooled, but it is trainable.

    Another version of the UAV that suggests itself now is a mini kamikaze drone that can fly into a trench, into a building, through an apartment window ... as powerful as a hand grenade. In urban battles, where it is difficult for a large drone to find open targets, such mini ones will be just right.
  34. 0
    10 January 2023 23: 01
    Interestingly, did the author read "The Hyperboloid of Engineer Garin"? ...
  35. 0
    11 January 2023 12: 46
    But the option "to switch from supersonic missiles to cheap drones" is wrong. Because the bias of the army's strike weapons towards the use of zhrongv will lead to the fact that a potential (or even real) enemy will adapt his air defense to our "specialization", saving a lot of money and resources on reducing air defense systems from other types of weapons.

    It is impossible to adapt air defense if the enemy has both supersonic and cheap UAVs. Moreover, intercepting ammunition will always be more difficult than attacking a target with this ammunition.
    An attacking UAV is incomparably smaller and maneuvers better than the targets it hits.
    Moreover, it is very easy and cheaper to create false UAVs, or direct UAVs to an air defense radar or an REB emitter. Defense will always be many times more difficult than attack.
  36. 0
    12 January 2023 13: 41
    Quote: bayard
    So it was necessary to strengthen the ruble to the board level - that is, up to 70 - 75 rubles. for USD Our economy is export-oriented - exports seriously exceed imports, and profits are counted in rubles. As a result of the strengthening of the ruble to 50+ rubles. for USD , all our exporters sank very seriously in profits.


    From this point of view, it turns out that 120 rubles per dollar is good for us.
  37. +1
    12 January 2023 18: 52
    I read up to the place where it is said that the Americans do not need to destroy the strategic nuclear forces of our country, and the country's leadership is also not necessary - after being hit by drones, come and take the country with your bare hands. It got boring to read on. But, overcame himself, still revered. And I read to the point that the Sarmatians are not needed, and the TU-160M ​​too. And we need millions of Geranium-2. Author, it's time for you to see a doctor, by God. The fact is that after we use the Sarmatians, there will be no one to come to take us with their bare hands. And we will definitely apply them in the conditions that you described. And not only them, but Yarsy, Maces and Sineva too. And even the Governors and Poplars, who were not taken off duty. So who will come to take us with their bare hands after that? The dead? And you say - Sarmatians are not needed. Dear man, for the reason that we have Sarmatians, no one will hit us with a million drones. Stop talking nonsense here. A strategic cruiser under water cannot be destroyed by a Gkran or Shahid drone. But he can destroy half the country alone.
    1. 0
      12 January 2023 20: 01
      It can be recalled that silo-based ballistic missiles simply hold a nuclear explosion, of low power ....
      Although ..... If a million drones are equipped with small nuclear charges, it can turn out very tasty
  38. 0
    12 January 2023 19: 20
    Conclusion. We need new air defense. This is a loitering swarm of drones with thermal imagers in Gerani and (by the way, they are already in use) drones that burn out a battery with a beam on "trains" (see Blogger Z4 about the use in the Kremennaya area)
  39. +1
    12 January 2023 19: 45
    the author is not aware of the joke about the hammer for the Marines in Afghanistan:
    The terms of reference had a good hammer for 20 bucks. The approved project had a super wow high-tech hammer for 100.
    American infantrymen did not wait to buy the same ones in local markets for $ 5, a dozen ...
    Any nuclear power, upon receiving some critical damage, and maybe even a chance to get it, will use its own strategic nuclear weapons. No one will cross this red line until there is a missile defense system, at least with a probability of interception of 99℅.
  40. 0
    12 January 2023 19: 56
    As for me, it’s easier to start throwing special ammunition than to engage in nonsense, riveting a million drones .....
    I'm not talking about the detonation of a thermonuclear munition in space, it is possible even over your own territory, which will turn all global positioning systems into a pile of useless iron ....
    And all these millions of drones will turn into useless trash
  41. 0
    12 January 2023 21: 44
    The use of such a number of UAVs by the United States in our country will be fraught with a response to strategic nuclear weapons, it will all end in disaster for everyone. The author did not think of this.
    1. 0
      22 February 2023 14: 25
      And if the start is from 404? Or Tribaltics? Or Poland?
  42. 0
    12 January 2023 22: 24
    I think soon some kind of electron gun or radar type based on electronic or other magnetic properties will be created on the way against any drones that will simply burn the UAV stuffing, covering most of the airspace, because everyone is already tired
  43. 0
    14 January 2023 20: 42
    who told you that engine is Chinese? iranian engenier rank 2th in the world above chinese engenier
    this some of Iranian made engine frome trbufan to 4strck engine
    .





    iranian purposely didn't get help from anyone because even small dependency to foreign power is in time of war and embargo its mean you dead
    after Iran-iraq war that all the world including 2 soperpowe ussr and usa were backing sadam to destroy
    Iran
    but time and again persians since 5000 years ago beat the odds
  44. 0
    9 February 2023 18: 32
    the author you tired with your bad imagination !!! your date is February 10th! you kill your fountain!! write better for newspapers where science fiction is printed!!
  45. 0
    10 February 2023 14: 40
    How can the old-fashioned way, airships with nets, become a countermeasure to such drones!
    And with the money after the withdrawal of the Central Bank from the Fed, I think it will be better!
    ~ 1 trillion dollars a year sailed from Russia to the west!!!
  46. 0
    22 February 2023 14: 23
    There is simply no chance of intercepting thousands of Shahed 136 UAVs from Israeli air defense - at best, they will shoot down 5-10%. Moreover, good neighbors may well take part in the raid, occupying Israeli air defense / missile defense with cheap unguided Kassems.

    Israel has many chances and many risks.
    1. Israel is not shy about hitting decision-making and launch sites
    2. Israel has a powerful (even in our understanding of air defense and air force)
    3. But Israel is also an industrial enclave country ..... dependent on sea and air communications, desalination plants, which has a developed dangerous industry (we see an example from the USA) and is small in territory.
  47. 0
    1 March 2023 11: 57
    China and USA have anti-UAV laser weapons. The IRAN small UAV just has little chance of survival, can be destroyed target by sudden.
    https://sundries.com.ua/en/saudi-arabia-has-deployed-silent-hunter-laser-systems-to-destroy-iranian-drones/
    https://militaryleak.com/2022/10/26/saudi-arabia-deploys-silent-hunter-laser-air-defense-systems-against-houthi-drones/
    1. 0
      6 March 2023 11: 53
      Experts suggest to us that a small UAV should cost somewhere around $ 100.000, which means labor intensity with a salary of $ 500 / month (divide 100000 by 500 = 200 months) 16 years of continuous work !!! , this is rubbed into us by experts with cunning intelligence concentrated in the lower part of the body.
  48. 0
    30 March 2023 18: 50
    do not forget about other weapons blindly fanatic of small UAVs, otherwise they will fry this flying swarm with a microwave wave, for example, and your revolution in weapons was crying
  49. -1
    April 9 2023 12: 29
    For a million Geraniums, you need a million targets. Given the current level of aerospace reconnaissance, such a number of targets is an impossible task. Therefore, it is necessary to start with reconnaissance and target detection. If there are even more targets than weapons, it's okay, there will be plenty to choose the most priority ones from.

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