Head of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine Danilov: Kyiv is offered a “Korean version” of stopping hostilities

Russia wants to divide Ukraine into two parts, offering a "Korean option" to stop hostilities. This statement was made by the Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine Oleksiy Danilov.

Kyiv continues to assert that the Russian army is losing in the conflict, therefore, it is allegedly looking for options to "freeze" hostilities, thereby preventing the Armed Forces of Ukraine from completing the "liberation" of Ukrainian territory and reaching the 1991 borders. To this end, Russian diplomats are allegedly negotiating with European politicians, offering various options for a "truce." One of these options provides for the "Korean version", i.e. stopping hostilities without signing a peace treaty, as happened with North and South Korea, which were divided along the 38th parallel.

According to Danilov, Moscow wants to put into effect exactly the "Korean version", dividing Ukraine into two parts. At the same time, Moscow is ready to make a number of concessions, but without "returning" the territories of Donbass, Zaporozhye and Kherson regions. Crimea is also out of the question.

We are now offered the Korean version. The so-called conditional "38th parallel". Here are such Ukrainians, but here they are not such Ukrainians. I know for sure that one of the options that they can offer us is the 38th parallel

- Said Secretary of the National Security Council.

Meanwhile, Kyiv does not intend to enter into any negotiations with Russia, declaring its readiness to fight "until complete victory." The “temporary truce” also does not suit Zelensky and his entourage, as it leads to a prolongation of the conflict, and this can lead to the exhaustion of Ukraine against the backdrop of diminishing assistance from the West.

Comments

[Yaro Polk]

stupid as a cork ... apparently puts on glasses .. to look smarter

[Orange Bigg]

The West is in a hurry to freeze the conflict on conditions that are still more or less favorable for it. But it’s not for us to stop at the most interesting place. Do you think why Erdogan has become so active about peace initiatives? The entire South Donetsk sector of the front may collapse if they don’t hold Maryinka and, as a result, Avdeevka will be in the boiler soon. By Marinka.

judging even by the volunteer maps of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, all roads to the independent garrison have long been in fact under Russian fire control. Actually, there are several separate pockets of resistance. This can be judged by the fact that Tiktokers are no longer uploading videos of the buildings of the House of Culture and the local administration. By the way, these pictures were used by the Zhovto-Blakit adherents of the Witnesses of the Battles in the Center of Maryinka sect for propaganda purposes for quite a long time.

According to public information, the 79th Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, equipped as a super-commando of the US Army, is holding the defense here, that is, the best American armor and night vision devices. At one time, the paratroopers were coming out in popularity even competed with the "Azovites" *.
Now there is no trace of the former bravado. It makes sense to cite a few January comments by the administrator of the 79th division of the Mykolaiv Airborne Assault Brigade.
“Everyone is having too many questions right now about why people are dying needlessly in huge numbers.”
"Crab" (callsign of a coming out officer in command of the city's defense) - heavy. Condolences to the families. Can't get out, very heavy. Our defense in Marinka largely depended on it. No matter how the wave of refuseniks and deserters starts now.”

https://svpressa.ru/war21/article/357973/

[Abbot]

//According to Danilov,//

Who needs to be knocked on the head so that this rubbish misinformation is not thrown into the Russian information space? Turn off any Danilovs, padalians and arresters from Runet, all this talking collective scum.

[Alexga]

Turn off any Danilovs, padalians and arresters from Runet, all this talking collective scum.

But what about the number of views and, accordingly, the amount of money. "business is business and nothing personal"

[Aerodrome]

Meanwhile, Kyiv does not intend to enter into any negotiations with Russia, declaring its readiness to fight "until complete victory."

this is what "relocations" lead to, they completely believed (and NATO) that Russia can be beaten and persecuted. They don't understand that "we haven't started yet" (C)

[Shurik70]

Do the Turks know that Kyiv wants to share along the 38th parallel?
The 38th parallel runs through the middle of Turkey.

[Abbot]

Quote: AlexGa

But what about the number of views and, accordingly, the amount of money. "business is business and nothing personal"

Who? Here I have an even in my pocket did not ring. And you? Or are you hinting at the editors of VO ... If they make misinformation from Zelensky's office and other Goebbels on publications ... uh, they already snatched a fine for swearing ... well, you understand me. Then such businessmen should immediately shoot after the barn. I do not welcome references to the Great Patriotic War, but here I cannot resist. Can you imagine in what 1942 of the Soviet radio receivers something like this: From the Soviet information bureau! According to Himmler, the Soviet government in Kuibyshev is considering a coal deal...?? I cant. Yes, in fact, this was impossible not only in Moscow, but also in London and Washington, where the real sharks of capitalism and zealous admirers of monetary profit lived and continue to live. And only with us - whoever wants to fly in!

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: Abbot

Who needs to be knocked on the head so that this rubbish misinformation is not thrown into the Russian information space?

I think so that to snitch on the journalists of RIAnovost, RT and VO.
I tried to see where the news came from:
Danilov at the Ukr telethon United News said that Ukraine could be offered a variant of the 38th parallel.
MK at 9-42: -Aleksey Danilov said on the air of the national telethon that Russia allegedly can offer Kyiv a "Korean" version of the conflict settlement.
Then a number of media outlets (RBC, Kommersant, RBC) repeated the same thing.
At 11-35 RIA Novosti writes: - Alexey Danilov claims that Kyiv offer settlement according to the "Korean scenario"
At 12-04 RT informs with reference to RIA Novosti: - To Kiev proposed settlement according to the "Korean scenario",
At 12-25 VO: - Russia wants to divide Ukraine into two parts, offering "Korean version"
And what is characteristic, again the full name of the journalist in this propaganda publication is not indicated.

[Abbot]

Quote: LIONnvrsk

And what is characteristic, again the full name of the journalist in this propaganda publication is not indicated.

Here, I'm talking about the same thing. Thank you.

[flyer]

Our government positions itself as anti-Soviet, so democracy and pluralism of opinions, albeit false ones, are more than enough on the Internet. The fighting is carried out, as if playing, with concessions and reservations, and here is just a publication.

[Bayun]

I completely agree! The situation is idiotic: it looks as if Levitan was reading Goebbels' translations. The voices of country-U and its supporters in the Russian information space SHOULD NOT BE.

Reposting and quoting enemies is infotreason. Sources from Uncle Sam and the EU should be in full "IGNORE" in the Russian media.

[flyer]

The USSR did not trade with Germany during the Second World War, and they did not offer negotiations.

[Luka Nord]

Quote from Orange Bigg

The West is in a hurry to freeze the conflict on conditions that are still more or less favorable for it. But it is not convenient for us to stop at the most interesting place.

I completely agree with you. And this option does not suit Russia, otherwise in a couple of years this territory will literally be filled with echeloned air defense-missile defense and other nishtyaks, and then Russia will not find it enough ..
NVO is going to exhaustion and the tactics are of course correct in the sense of saving the lives of our soldiers .. Let's see what happens!

[Asad]

That's why Meehan you decided that the West, especially the United States, is in a hurry somewhere? In what statements or proposals did you and your previous comrade see the enemy's desire for a truce? And according to the article, I agree with Lion, they again misrepresented the news.

[Nemchinov Vl]

Quote from Luka Nord

SVO goes to exhaustion

a) to exhaust whom ?! when ?! Was it worth it to start (?), since I had to go - "to exhaustion" ... ?!

Quote from Luka Nord

..and tactic is right in the sense of saving the lives of our soldiers

?! to save the lives of soldiers, the question again arises - "was it worth it to start?"
What is the correct tactic? "declare war on NATO", but shoot at your neighbor?! , and "silently swallow", and the supply of weapons from NATO, and their satellites providing operational intelligence.?! ... why then not according to NATO (for example, "at the base in Ramstein", or another, through which weapons are transshipped ?!
or is it better to "threaten only verbally" there, and mow down the Slavs here, both our own and "strangers", on our own land, but right at our side ?! ... ...
Don't find somehow it's all - MINIMUM strange ... ?!

Quote from Luka Nord

... Let's see what happens!

and so on ... but after the surrender of the Kharkiv region and Kherson ... (?!), "grain" deals, etc. ... even somehow about optimism and does not even think ...?!!

[forty-eighth]

The entire South Donetsk sector of the front may collapse

Can not.

Avdiivka will be in the boiler

Will not be.

Judging by the level of detachment from reality, it is very similar to Yurka Podolyaka's analyst.
Don't be fooled by illusions. There is a well-fortified and deeply echeloned Donetsk fortified area. It is impossible to create a cauldron inside it, it is also impossible to overturn the front. They will simply retreat to prepared lines.

[rocket757]

Who suggested what?
Different, someone's, Wishlist, do not interest the main "players" ...

[Uncle lee]

in Kyiv do not intend to go to any negotiations

But what about ours: Open for negotiations? Ze even issued a decree banning negotiations with Russia! And what do we really want to talk about? Minsk No. xxx?

[Fizik13]

Quote from Uncle Lee

But what about ours: Open for negotiations? Ze even issued a decree banning negotiations with Russia! And what do we really want to talk about? Minsk No. xxx?

Even during the Second World War, the USSR negotiated with the Fritz.
Near Stalingrad, the Fritz expelled parliamentarians and eventually agreed on the surrender of the entire army, or rather its remnants.
In May 1945, the Fritz expelled truce truants and on May 9 a pact was signed on complete and unconditional surrender, although separate battles were still going on in Germany and Czechoslovakia until the end of May.
So Russia and Ukraine WILL have negotiations on the complete and unconditional surrender of Ukraine.

[alexoff]

There were such negotiations, with the finished enemy on the terms of surrender. The only negotiations that were about the return of diplomatic missions in 1941, but there is practically nothing about this

[Uncle lee]

Quote from Fizik13

negotiated with the Fritz.

And not negotiations, but demands for complete surrender! What is in Stalingrad, what is in Berlin!

[Luka Nord]

Quote: Uncle Lee

in Kyiv do not intend to go to any negotiations

But what about ours: Open for negotiations? Ze even issued a decree banning negotiations with Russia! And what do we really want to talk about? Minsk No. xxx?

Yes, ours don’t seem to be particularly keen either ... If we are to negotiate, then directly from the United States and on our terms .. And so it will be another scam .. Merkel is an example of how she let it slip at the expense of Ukraine

[Michael]

38th parallel - is it proposed to share along the Dnieper?

[Ulan.1812]

Plus Nikolaev and Odessa! And then we'll see.

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

Quote: Ulan.1812

Plus Nikolaev and Odessa! And then we'll see.

And Kyiv, the mother of Russian cities!

[Orange Bigg]

Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT

Quote: Ulan.1812

Plus Nikolaev and Odessa! And then we'll see.

And Kyiv, the mother of Russian cities!

Who told you such nonsense?

[gsev]

Quote: Michael

38th parallel - is it proposed to share along the Dnieper?

The fighting will end along the front line that existed at that time, which will become the border. If we recall Korea, then several years passed between the start of negotiations and the end of the war. Moreover, the war was stopped by the development of aviation in the PRC and fears in the United States to see aviation forces equal to them over the battlefield. The Ukrainian war will not end until Ukraine has lost at least 300-500 of its punishers killed and until its industry has been thoroughly destroyed. So far, Ukraine's losses are at the level of 000-150 thousand killed and it has lost only 170% of its energy. That is, the war will last more than 30-1 years.

[dump22]

Moreover, the war was stopped by the development of aviation in the PRC and fears in the United States to see aviation forces equal to them over the battlefield.

The Korean War was stopped by a positional stalemate and the death of Stalin.
Since July 1951, the front has practically not moved.
Stalin died on March 5, 1953.
And already in April 1953, negotiations began on the exchange of prisoners and the conclusion of a truce.

[gsev]

Quote from: dump22

The Korean War was stopped by a positional stalemate and the death of Stalin.
Since July 1951, the front has practically not moved.

According to the memoirs of Peng De Huai, Mao ordered him, if he was sure of a complete victory, to throw the troops of the interventionists out of Korea, and if this could not be achieved, stop at lines convenient for defense. The CPV initially intended to gain a foothold south of Seoul but were unable to hold these lines. The United States sought to reach the lines 100-200 kilometers north of the 38th parallel, and these were precisely their initial requirements at the negotiations actually started in 1951. Then, too, it was South Korea that made belligerent statements and assured of its inevitable victory. However, the last major operation carried out on the eastern sector of the front ended with the abandonment of tens of square kilometers by the South Korean troops and heavy losses of the South Korean formations. Most likely the same should happen in Ukraine. The economy of Ukraine must be destroyed and the West must understand that it is pointless to waste time and resources on the Russian-Ukrainian war at a time of rapid development of China. Also, to end the war, the Ukrainian army must lose the ability to attack. It is unlikely that this will happen in 2023. Apparently, it will be necessary to destroy both the energy sector of Ukraine and its oil refining and set fire to all grain crops in Ukraine in the summer of 2023.

[dump22]

The West must understand that it is pointless to waste time and resources on the Russian-Ukrainian war at a time of rapid development of China

Is this what we really need?
I now think that based on this thesis, it is just beneficial for us to drag out the war for a longer time in order to quickly ensure the change of the global leader in the world.

Also, to end the war, the Ukrainian army must lose the ability to attack.

Well, in my opinion, she already has no opportunity to attack now.
I haven't heard of their offensive at the moment, it's us who are advancing now.

[Fizik13]

Quote: Michael

38th parallel - is it proposed to share along the Dnieper?

This is offered by the West through the head of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine. Our proposals will come after we liberate our territories, Kharkov, Odessa, Nikolaev and ...

[tralflot1832]

No, the Dnieper doesn’t sound very good. Here is the Oder.

[tralflot1832]

The West will now offer any options that suit only him. Play the "fool" who does not understand.

[Vyacheslav57]

Russia wants to divide Ukraine into two parts, offering a "Korean option" to stop hostilities.

I don’t remember that we offered this at VO here. Rather, this is a variant of the Western coalition in order to preserve the face of the face.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Vyacheslav57

Russia wants to divide Ukraine into two parts, offering a "Korean option" to stop hostilities.

I don’t remember that we offered this at VO here. Rather, this is a variant of the Western coalition in order to preserve the face of the face.

It was here that they offered it at VO. Dozens and hundreds of times. Divide Ukraine in half, give the west to the Poles and Hungarians, and take the middle and eastern parts for yourself!

[Voronezh]

If you already got involved, then you need to finish off .... Khasavyurts and Minsk have already been. Although the constant snot about the willingness to negotiate .... I will not be surprised at anything.

[SovAr238A]

Quote from Voronezh

If you already got involved, then you need to finish off .... Khasavyurts and Minsk have already been. Although the constant snot about the willingness to negotiate .... I will not be surprised at anything.

Well, how is the finishing going?
Have you looked at the map?
How is Kherson?
And so in everything

[codetalker]

It's funny how they put it all together. Allegedly, Russia really, really wants negotiations, but they don't. And only the "international community" can push them, but they still think... Circus.

[dump22]

Allegedly, Russia really, really wants negotiations, but they don't.

https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5707712

Lavrov: Russia is ready for talks on Ukraine if it receives a serious offer

https://tass.ru/politika/14784485

Matvienko: Russia is ready to sign agreements with Ukraine that "would lead to peace"

https://ria.ru/20221111/ukraina-1830783344.html

Russia ready for dialogue on Ukraine without preconditions, Foreign Ministry says

https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5631200

Peskov: Putin is ready for negotiations, but Ukrainian law prohibits them

[Nyrobsky]

Of course, you are well done for preparing so diligently for the topic and pulling a bunch of links to negotiations, but the point is that readiness for negotiations implies conclusion of an agreement on the proposals previously put forward by Russia, and Russia, the US and the EU are considered as parties to the negotiations, but not Ukraine, which MAYBE will be allowed to sit at the door on a folding chair awaiting the outcome of the negotiations. By the way, it should be noted that the conditions that Russia put forward then, today have changed not in favor of Ukraine and the West. during this time, Ukraine has lost part of its territory and this is no longer subject to revision. If the mattresses rot further, then their negotiating positions (for Ukraine) will be even worse than today.

[Ulan.1812]

It is good that Ukraine does not want to enter into any negotiations.
This means that those who want to go to agreements in the Russian "elite" have fewer opportunities to merge everything.

[iouris]

Quote: Ulan.1812

It is good that Ukraine does not want to enter into any negotiations.

Ukraine - FSE!
Nobody cares what they want in Kyiv. Who pays, he orders the music. And the US pays and the EU is forced to pay.

[rocket757]

Wish there was PEACE!
But to play giveaway, no, no, it will come out more expensive for yourself.

[iouris]

Quote: rocket757

Wish there was PEACE!

Want to want - want.
How can he come?
Explain how the war started. AND?
War is the continuation of politics by violent means.
Politics is the concentrated expression of economics.
Have you rebuilt the world economy yet? Well then, wait for it to come.

[Roma 1977]

But it's true! This is not about a local war of some "regional power of the Russian Federation" with "young democracy Ukraine". It's about changing the world order as a whole. And after the end of this particular war, the contradictions between the leading world powers will not disappear anywhere. Will Russia be the only one among these powers? This is particular.

[rocket757]

I want, I dream, and ... for the fact that the enemy must be defeated, then peace will come. It won't work otherwise.

[Andron78]

I wonder how he would like the option of dividing Ukraine between Russia, Poland, Hungary, Romania, Moldova and Belarus and the smallest and most comfortable Ukraine.

[Ulan.1812]

Quote: Andron78

I wonder how he would like the option of dividing Ukraine between Russia, Poland, Hungary, Romania, Moldova and Belarus and the smallest and most comfortable Ukraine.

In the form of Galicia.

[iouris]

Danilov is a damned Muscovite who sucks from the US and EU budgets.
Ukraine - FSE!
What is "national security"?

[SovAr238A]

Quote: iouris

Danilov is a damned Muscovite who sucks from the US and EU budgets.
Ukraine - FSE!
What is "national security"?

You have been on this site for many years, do you even now write that Ukraine is FSE?
11 months of this war did not really let you understand that FSE is being postponed for several years, and now the future is generally written on the water.

[iouris]

I don’t know what future awaits us, but Ukraine is FSE! There is no such state anymore and no one needs it. This does not mean that Russia will necessarily survive. And if there is no Russia, then the whole world will follow a path in which there will be no states and peoples. That's what is "written with pitchforks".

[Andron78]

After Merkel and Hollande revealed their secret with the Minsk agreements, talking about such a scenario is no longer stupid, but stupid.

[former soldier]

After Merkel and Hollande revealed their secret with the Minsk agreements, talking about such a scenario is no longer stupid, but stupid.

Why not? According to the Dnieper is acceptable. Only after that, to immediately carry out a new industrialization in our economy, and to increase the army and equip it with really the most modern weapons, and not to believe new Western fairy tales and not to restore the pipes of the Nord Streams at our own expense. To stop the export of capital abroad. Let them invest in their homeland.

[lis-ik]

and this can lead to the exhaustion of Ukraine against the backdrop of declining aid from the West

Wow, diminishing aid, the latest package from the US is generally a record.

[know]

Ambassador of Ukraine to Britain V. Prystaiko said:

"There are few peoples in the world who can afford to sacrifice so many lives, territories and decades of development for the sake of victory. This gives the West a unique chance."

In fact, this is just a terrible statement: the official representative of Kyiv swears to the true owners that their Ukrainian lackeys will be for them

sacrifice lives, territories and decades of development

For such confessions, real nationalists, who are rooting for their people, and not puppet Ukrainian ones, should hang him on Khreshchatyk immediately upon returning to Kyiv. But the Ukrainian Nazis are also bought with giblets and perform the role of "policemen in the occupied territory."

[Arkady007]

War to the last Ukrainian. How nice.
Biden rolls his eyes in pleasure.
If all Ukrainians perish, then the money invested by his son in the purchase of Ukrainian lands will return to the family wallet.
Zelensky is nobody. It's time for plastic surgery and move on.

[Roma 1977]

It's tempting. But I'm still for the Vietnamese version. With the evacuation of all these Danilov helicopters from the roof of the American embassy.

[Ulan.1812]

Not a helicopter for all Ukronazi leaders, but a gallows.

[Ezekiel 25-17]

For Danilov, there should be only one option with Sanson in the final.

[Carlos Hall]

They are nervous because the West is burning a lot of resources and China has no depreciation. It is enough for Russia to continue to destroy the Ukrainian economy in order to win. Ukraine is not Afghanistan, the main thing is to continue to destroy its economy.

[tihonmarine]

We are now offered the Korean version. The so-called conditional "38th parallel".

Only option - May 9, 1945.

[Petr_Koldunov]

Well, actually divide according to the principle here are such Ukrainians, but here are not such Ukrainians - it's their own thing. It is precisely the Nazi authorities, starting with Poproshenko, who began to divide Ukrainians into right and wrong!

[pariarg]

Sovkoukr was dreaming, like he needs to leave something.
All so-called "Ukraine" is Russian land.
Razombirovanie population Ukrainized Grushevsky, Stalin, Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Yeltsin, Putin,
will happen surprisingly quickly as soon as the Russian Federation turns into Russia

[Pavel57]

And Odessa and Nikolaev were forgotten. Or are there no Russians there either?

[sgr291158]

Russia is doing all this so that at least not a lot of you are left for a divorce. And then they'll kill you all.

[Alex242]

We are now offered the Korean version. The so-called conditional "38th parallel". Here are such Ukrainians, but here they are not such Ukrainians. I know for sure that one of the options that they can offer us is the 38th parallel

and it is so, it will not be otherwise ....