Trying to keep Soledar, the Armed Forces of Ukraine deployed rear servicemen to the city instead of infantry

The situation on the Soledar sector of the front may repeat the Mariupol scenario, where the Ukrainian military fell into the “cauldron”. They could be saved by the transfer of large reinforcements for the forces stationed here and the organization of a large counteroffensive with its help, but the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine hardly has the necessary reserves for this.

Julian Röpke, a columnist for the German newspaper Bild, expressed this opinion on his page on the social network.

Ukraine needs a massive counter-offensive here, otherwise they will lose, which will probably lead to a domino effect, and new territories will be lost soon

- he writes.

The journalist notes that the Ukrainian army suffers heavy losses in the Soledar area. He believes that the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, which already control about 80 percent of the city, can encircle the grouping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine located here. They, Röpke writes, have already advanced towards the city center from the north and east.

The deplorable state of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Soledar is also reported in his Telegram by military expert Yuriy Podolyaka. According to him, last night the fighters of PMC "Wagner" attacked enemy positions here from different sides. The Ukrainian command had to withdraw the last reserves to repel this attack. Trying to keep Soledar, the Armed Forces of Ukraine even transferred rear troops to the city instead of infantry.

Podolyaka believes that the Ukrainian command should have already given its grouping an order to withdraw, if it still has time to do so.

Since the beginning of the year, the Russian military have stepped up their operations in the Soledar direction. Under their pressure, units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine concentrated in the western part of the city.

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[voice of reason]

The typical psychology of the shtafirok, throw in untrained infantry, and calm down with the numbers of the brigades. It’s even clear where the legs grow from. And javelins instead of faustpatrons

[Rustic]

And what is it to them? The headquarters of the brigades must have already been removed from there. These sheep will be buried. New ones will be brought in tomorrow. And so on in a circle.
I have been saying for a long time, it is necessary to fully spud the places of compact location of the mobile reserve. So that they would not even reach the LBS.

[rocket757]

Such a circle is not endless... all resources/opportunities have a limit.

[voice of reason]

Not in a circle, as long as they held positions it was a game of replenishment. And if positions are lost, along with personnel and weapons, then there is nowhere to send replenishment. And another important point. Getting into positions with experienced fighters, replenishment is more or less pulled up to their level. And being formed as new units consisting of one "replenished" they have an extremely low combat capability. There are no so to speak "everyday" skills of being at "zero". How to live, how to eat how to go to the toilet after all. and in order to earn all this, you will have to pay with blood again. And the process is not endless. At some point, the brigade crumbles and is reduced to battalions and even companies. And then it can no longer be saved by any replenishment. And here we are talking about a mechanized brigade. It was just after the fall of Popasnaya that our troops found themselves near Soledar. Where the front falls after the surrender of Soledar is still an open question.

[topol717]

Quote: voice of reason

And being formed as new units consisting of one "replenished" they have an extremely low combat capability. There are no so to speak "everyday" skills of being at "zero". How to live, how to eat how to go to the toilet after all. and in order to earn all this, you will have to pay with blood again. and the process is not endless

The saddest thing about it is that we have the same thing. New units that undergo "combat coordination" at the training grounds. And then all these units are settled in one vocational school. Ukrov have at least no choice, but ours initially chose this approach.

[AdAstra]

And also artillerymen in the infantry. "" ""

[Dingo]

And then all these units are settled in one vocational school.

ours initially chose this approach.

Changed by order. After Makeevka.
Khodakovsky said in his "cart"...

The commander of the "Vostok" battalion of the Donetsk People's Republic (DPR), Alexander Khodakovsky, announced a change in the regime of service of military personnel after the shelling of a vocational school in Makeevka. According to him, local mobilized people are no longer kept "like herrings in a barrel." A special mode has been introduced to minimize crowds."...
Here is the link :
https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5758648?from=doc_top
This is Kommersant, not the Russian Defense Ministry. Tom has nothing to say - he is looking for the "extreme" ...
The rest - "do not throw slippers."
I'm from the 63rd region ... It was our guys who were beaten there ...

[Roma 1977]

Some experts put forward the version that Ukraine is capable of losing up to a million people until it completely loses the ability to wage war, even if weapons are supplied from the West. This will have to fight for five years, if in such a manner as it is now.

[SergeyB]

Quote: Roma-1977

Some experts put forward the version that Ukraine is capable of losing up to a million people until it completely loses the ability to wage war, even if weapons are supplied from the West. This will have to fight for five years, if in such a manner as it is now.

Possibly even five years. And that's okay.
Now the war in Ukraine looks like Syria at maximum speed.
Let me remind you that the situation in Syria was very similar. We have relatively small forces + part of the local + support from Iran. The enemy has a huge numerical superiority + active supply of weapons and finances from the collective West + active supply of weapons and finances from the richest countries in the Middle East.
A few years and the situation in the region has changed dramatically in favor of Russia.
Big victory - forged for a long time.

[topol717]

Quote: SergeyB

Now the war in Ukraine looks like Syria at maximum speed.

And the Syrian separatists, of course, had planes and air defense.

[SergeyB]

Quote from: topol717

And the Syrian separatists, of course, had planes and air defense.

Think - it was both. Much was captured from the Syrian army. How the anti-Assad forces disposed of the captured is another question. But they had everything.

[private person]

Let me remind you that the situation in Syria was very similar.

Do not confuse the genital organ with the finger. Who supplied and what weapons the barmaley had there and what we encountered here. It's not even comparable. While fighting in Syria, Russia was not subject to sanctions from all sides.

[SergeyB]

Quote: private person

Who supplied and what weapons the barmaley had there and what we encountered here.

Barmaley received an almost unlimited amount of the most effective weapons WHICH THEY COULD USE.
If you give a barmaley, who has not seen anything more difficult than a Kalash, say Himars, then there will be zero sense.
Therefore, they supplied simpler weapons, but the most effective in this case and for these users.

Quote: private person

While fighting in Syria, Russia was not subject to sanctions from all sides.

Do you live in Russia at all?
Actually, it was subject to sanctions. Since 2014. And if we compare, then perhaps the sanctions from 2014 were more serious than the sanctions of 2022.
And than. There is no evidence that the imposed sanctions in any way prevent us from fighting.

[Petr_Koldunov]

Quote: private person

While fighting in Syria, Russia was not subject to sanctions from all sides.

It's just that Zara and Ikea were still working in the country, and McDonald's was still stuffing people with their rolls full of preservatives ... but this did not affect the war in Syria very much, I think :)).
As for the performance of the military-industrial complex, the sanctions have hardly changed since 2014-2015. There is simply nothing to tighten there already - we have already stopped supplying everything that can be used in the defense industry.

And the barmaley, believe me, had everything you needed. With Kalash alone, it would be simply impossible for them to raze Palmyra to the ground!

[dementor873]

Have you noticed how the cost of living has risen in price over the past year, especially food? I paid off my mortgage and now I can afford to spend twice as much money on groceries. But now I don’t even think about the car, and I’m unlikely to think about it in the next 2 years. Are you suggesting that the whole country sit like this for 5 years and wait for the weather by the sea? So far, the economy has not been mobilized, and all the leaders live as in the old world. And it is reluctant to talk about the personal responsibility of the leadership. So I doubt something in the elections of 5.

[SergeyB]

Quote: dementor873

Have you noticed how the cost of living has risen in price over the past year, especially food?

Products are becoming more expensive EVERY year, the last 30 years.

Quote: dementor873

But now I don’t even think about the car, and I’m unlikely to think about it in the next 5 years. Are you suggesting that the whole country sit like this for 5 years and wait for the weather by the sea? So far, the economy has not been mobilized, and all the leaders live as in the old world. And it is reluctant to talk about the personal responsibility of the leadership. So I doubt something in the elections of 2024.

That is, due to the fact that YOU are forced to POSTPONE the purchase of a car, we all need to change the leadership of the country? Or even by force?

[antiaircrafter]

Quote: Roma-1977

It will take five years to fight

Carpet bombing everyone in a row can help.

[potap6509]

A couple of days ago there was a photo in the cart, a whole echelon in the open wagons of OFAB and ODAB. To the west.

[Luka Nord]

Quote: potap6509

A couple of days ago there was a photo in the cart, a whole echelon in the open wagons of OFAB and ODAB. To the west.

Along the way, something powerful is being prepared and it’s high time .. And then they dug into the ground for 8 years! It's time to clean everything up hard .. Russia has such opportunities, but the liberals who have settled in the General Staff and the government are resisting, like the Western Democratic Party will not understand us, etc. And I'm sure EVERYONE will understand!

[Petr_Koldunov]

Quote: potap6509

A couple of days ago there was a photo in the cart, a whole echelon in the open wagons of OFAB and ODAB. To the west.

The fact that it was in open cars - and annoying. In open wagons, the military usually carries what they want everyone (including enemies) to see. This means that it may well be psychological pressure - here, they say, according to your soul, we are transporting entire compositions of TNT ...
And how it really - FIG knows.

[Stepan S]

The fact that it was in open cars - and annoying.

Knowing the level of our mess and indifference, I don’t see anything surprising in open cars. In the summer I was driving from the Crimea, a roadside cafe, two KAMAZ vehicles loaded with RS for the Smerch MLRS stop, drivers jump out and go quietly to eat in a cafe, and cars with missiles stand in the parking lot without any protection. So are these open wagons. From any bridge along the route, you can throw something inappropriate into the car, but we all have an army

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Roma-1977

Some experts put forward a version that Ukraine is capable of losing up to a million people,

As Prince Harry said - "these are pawns on a chessboard."

[Luka Nord]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Roma-1977

Some experts put forward a version that Ukraine is capable of losing up to a million people,

As Prince Harry said - "these are pawns on a chessboard."

That's right Vlad!!! Here, the outskirts are not the main goals for Russia, we have more global goals, and we made this mess for a reason, to protect the Donbass, etc. Here the goals are such that the head can go round, what Russia has in mind.!

[fruc]

Trying to keep Soledar, the Armed Forces of Ukraine even transferred rear troops to the city instead of infantry.

Where do these details come from? Perhaps again "cooks", "drivers" and "helpers" as in Mariupol.

[Dingo]

Perhaps again "cooks", "drivers" and "helpers" as in Mariupol.

Vasily, while they are taking prisoners - they will be all "cooks" and "drivers" ...

[Luka Nord]

Quote: Dingo

Perhaps again "cooks", "drivers" and "helpers" as in Mariupol.

Vasily, while they are taking prisoners - they will be all "cooks" and "drivers" ...

But already with a tattoo, less and less are caught in captivity .. That's what I think is the main thing!

[avg]

Quote from Rustic

And what is it to them? The headquarters of the brigades must have already been removed from there. These sheep will be buried. New ones will be brought in tomorrow. And so on in a circle.

You misunderstand the tragedy of loss. The rear are the best people of Ukraine, they are the matured heirs of the Soviet ensigns, chiefs of prod. and thing. warehouses, who together before retirement migrated to Ukraine and formed the basis of the rotten swamp of Svidomo Ukrainians.

[TIR]

Yesterday I watched a video of how 2 militants, sitting in a single trench in the middle of the street, tried to fight back with VOGs. At the same time, the buildings from 2 sides were already occupied by ours. Of course, the question was in time, when something would fly into the trench from the top floor. Shooting and cut short by the explosion. Moreover, there was a walkie-talkie in the trench

[Andrei Rimsky]

Firstly, this video is old from Mariupol. Secondly, not ours were sitting in the building, but our tanks were firing at the building. We need to take a closer look.

[Krasnoyarsk]

[quote = voice_of_reason] Typical psychology of shtafirok, throw in untrained infantry, and calm down with brigade numbers. It is even clear where the legs grow from. And javelins instead of faustpatrons
Seems to me (I guess a little ) that they are holding on to Soledar and "Bakhmut" in order to divert attention from the large grouping of troops being created for the offensive. That is why they are throwing into the battle of the rear, so as not to waste trained, saving them for a future large-scale operation.
But these are just my couch thoughts.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: voice of reason

And javelins instead of faustpatrons

"Faustpatrons" are also there!

And "my favorite old grandfather was wearing a total helmet" is also available!

[Siberian 66]

Maybe they will take it into the ring, maybe they will not take it .. Why guess. In addition to the rear, combat-ready brigades from Zaporozhye were transferred there. In specialized channels, they know the numbers and see the location areas. It all depends on: the presence of political will, the courage of our troops and the provision of logistics with everything necessary. And not from the fantasies of journalists.

[dmi.pris1]

Listen to Yura Podolyak, after all the eoo vangs that did not come true, the last thing. Vchpra military correspondents already wrote about Soledar, they rested there with the horn of kaa and in Artemovsk

[Evil543]

Well, like this. It has long been said that the media can refer to our forum. Here there will be more experts than the blogger strategist Podolyaki.

[Pantsuy]

Quote: Sibiryak 66

It all depends on: the presence of political will, the courage of our troops and the provision of logistics with everything necessary.

It's just that the first one is not at all ...

[Egoza]

otherwise they will lose, which will probably lead to a domino effect, and new territories will soon be lost

The Russophobe Ryopke writes correctly. We also think so. Let's take Soledar and go ...)))

[rocket757]

In the West, for some reason, they believed that winter would stop active hostilities ...
After all, they also heard the voices of those who remember that "General Frost", our faithful ally at all times!

[Tusv]

Quote: rocket757

that "General Frost", our faithful ally at all times!

Yes Yes. Coronavirus at minus 20 is powerless, but subject to warm clothes

[rocket757]

What's wrong with the crown?
Everything is fine with us ... they have not forgotten, but there are no strains either.

[mikh-korsakov]

Did the West think that winter would stop the fighting? They counted, counted and will count!!! Judge for yourself. What pleasure can a fighter on the front line get from a cup of coffee? Coffee freezes in the cold. And then warm up the engine. What kind of war is this? And there was a shooting. The fighter is in need. He dropped his pants and froze his bells. It's an insured event!

[rocket757]

So far, General Frost, just warming up !!!
And when it hits for real ... thermo mugs, a thermos and "super" equipment, weapons will not help.
In general, those who have not gone on winter fishing, like ours, for example, will get krants!
Okay, those Russians who, it seems, are Ukrainians, are now ... they are familiar, this cannot be taken away from them, but foreign equipment, their other bells and whistles, it will not be so unambiguous.
Let's see how it goes.

[tralflot1832]

Oh, the German voice of Ukrainian propaganda has been drawn. A good sign. This means that soon a city of no strategic importance will appear.

[Fisherman]

Two ... and they also "do not need" Bakhmut ... and so on. And hiding in the mines of Soledar would be suicide: after all, Azovstal had been preparing for a siege for many years, where life support systems, warehouses with provisions and weapons were unloaded by trains. And in Soledar, walking through the tunnels and knocking out dill that have settled there is an easier task for Wagner's attack aircraft than taking a plant in Marik. Arestovich also howled "everything is bad there."

[Galleon]

Why go through tunnels? Is it possible to flood the mines?

[tralflot1832]

300 km of tunnels, in some places two tanks will quietly disperse.

[Leader_Barmaleev]

Well, this is definitely not a problem - the scheme of ventilation systems is known, clog most of the supply-exhaust and start pumping oxyethylene into the mines (it is obtained by pyrolysis of straw and is not OM), set it on fire - it gives a very high temperature, a volumetric explosion and burns oxygen very well . And without oxygen, even great Ukrainians cannot survive. To burn three hundred kilometers of tunnels, 100-120 tons of oxyethylene will be enough. A penny for money, three days of work, and immediately after airing, you can again mine salt.

[Galleon]

Thanks for the illustrations. Impressive. Well then, dust or volumetric explosion.

[BADDIGGER]

melt the snow or force the division to piss there?

[Stepan S]

And why should the mines be drowned or stormed? Block the entrances and exits and wait for them to ask for water.

[AlexWar]

It is possible to undermine these mines. Drop a bomb there and blow it up. from each exit.

[rocket757]

The situation on the Soledar sector of the front may repeat the Mariupol scenario, where the Ukrainian military fell into the “cauldron”. They could be saved by the transfer of large reinforcements for the forces stationed here and the organization of a large counteroffensive with its help, but the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine hardly has the necessary reserves for this.
Julian Röpke, a columnist for the German newspaper Bild, expressed this opinion on his page on the social network.

. Why all of a sudden, such pessimistic assessments from different sides?
Did you finally understand something, or did someone order it?

[former soldier]

Why all of a sudden, such pessimistic assessments from different sides?
Did you finally understand something, or did someone order it?

Most likely desa.

[chingachguc]

Combing the rear is a common thing when things are bad.

[tralflot1832]

It turns out that we have 700 "non-media" Azov people in captivity *. Infa from the other side.

[Mihail0221]

Trying to keep Soledar, the Armed Forces of Ukraine even transferred rear troops to the city instead of infantry.

Everything is clear again, a bunch of "cooks" will be captured.

[Dynamo]

There are still people who not only read and believe Yuriy Podolyak, but also quote...

[pharmacist]

Well, the forecaster from him is so-so, but he shows the current situation and maps well. Other horseradish make out what's going on at the front.

[glock-17]

Podolyak has no military education at all. So which one is the expert? It's better to listen to Strelkov. He at least more or less speaks the truth, albeit bitter.

[Pantsuy]

Quote: Glock-17

Podolyak has no military education at all. So which one is the expert? It's better to listen to Strelkov. He at least more or less speaks the truth, albeit bitter.

Listening to Podolyaki's forecasts is, of course, stupid. But he knows how to convey the facts simply and clearly to the listener. And with cards. True, his cards are often very optimistic.
And Strelkov should have been listened to by our politicians and the military. You look, and there would be no those failures and shameful actions that have been done during this time. But our higher-handed drivers are too smart and self-confident - who is Strelkov for them?

[Diana Ilyina]

Before elevating Strelkov to the category of a super-specialist, we would talk to those who know him firsthand. The mildest opinion about him is disgust.

[mikh-korsakov]

You're not right. If Podolyaka said so, then so be it. He does not say when it will come true. But someday something will come true. But it is not known what the plan is. Look at Putin, too, everything is going according to plan, but it’s like that. So they are all such forecasters. And what are those? But such...

[rotmistr60]

Trying to keep Soledar, the Armed Forces of Ukraine even transferred rear servicemen to the city instead of infantry

If this is indeed the case, unlike the reports of the Ukrainian side, then things are very bad for the Bandera movement. So the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has already determined the fate of these rear troops. When trained and combat-ready units do not spare, then what can we say about some kind of rear services.

Ukraine needs a massive counteroffensive...

Ryopka knows what Ukraine needs - to fight with Russia to the last Ukrainian, otherwise the same Ryopka will be full of goons. Therefore, all sorts of Berbock-Scholz, NATO Secretary Generals, Macrons and other Euro-American evil spirits began to fuss.

[Sergey T19]

The APU operates with the same tactics as last year when the RF Armed Forces attacked. Everyone is thrown into the meat grinder except for the personnel and most trained units. They are saved for an offensive in other areas. And Soledar and the city is difficult to call. The population there before the war was 10 people. Basically, PGT. So do not think that the APU is doing so badly, they also have cunning plans.

[Prisoner]

Judging by the number of "cooks", "food truck drivers", etc. etc. among the prisoners, and there alone are fighting the rear.

[Viktor Sergeev]

But who cares how many pigs will die there? Spit on them all and the master and Zelensky with the gang.

[former soldier]

Trying to keep Soledar, the Armed Forces of Ukraine even transferred rear troops to the city instead of infantry.

What does instead of infantry mean? An accountant with a machine gun in a trench is no longer an accountant.

[Andrey Andreev_2]

War is beneficial to those in power, who use it as a washing machine for laundering bloody money (((This is according to Kadyrov ... And the warring people? But who counts him ...

[Sid2014]

Military expert Yuri Podolyaka with his magic cards and arrows. Do not make me laugh!!! (According to his forecast, Kharkov has long been taken).

[alexey_444]

In this war, artillery wars in general don’t give a damn about anyone sitting in the trench at least a rear or special forces soldier, the bad thing is that hohland destroys the thieves, who appreciates life, with whom it was possible to negotiate, it’s not a secret, and we also have kids and other rottenness of our society in the rear , that in Afghanistan, that in Chechnya, only then they ring with medals for battles in which they did not participate. And so there are still a lot of people in Ukraine for half a year, we take soledar and it’s not yet a fact that we’ll take it. Our men, unlike Ukraine, we need to burn them thoughtlessly.

[Vladimir Dmitrievich Burtsev]

Technology needs to be used more. We must protect people. Flamethrowers in a couple of days will clear Artyomovsk from Bandera. They burn everything, including those who have settled in buildings, in fortified firing positions of the Nazis and their military equipment. The rest will be done by anti-tank systems.

[Vladimir Dmitrievich Burtsev]

If flamethrower installations are placed on helicopters and on drones, there will be a fly away in general. They gasped once and that's it, there were Bandera, and there were chickens of tobacco.

[Bismarck]

I noticed that after the appointment of the commander Surovikin, units of the Wagner PMC began to play a very important role in the offensive. And the Chechen formations Akhmat, etc. disappeared from view. I wonder why so?

[Beagle]

Since Soledar has not yet been taken ... it turns out: the rear services were able to hold their positions ... Hmm ... but were they really the rear?

[Alex242]

The situation on the Soledar sector of the front may repeat the Mariupol scenario, where the Ukrainian military fell into the “cauldron”. They could be saved by the transfer of large reinforcements for the forces located here and the organization of a large counteroffensive with its help.

someday everything will come to a logical end...

[dementor873]

Quote: SergeyB

That is, due to the fact that YOU are forced to POSTPONE the purchase of a car, we all need to change the leadership of the country? Or even by force?

Why do I have to postpone? Because we don’t have an auto industry, it was only according to beautiful reports, doesn’t it remind you of anything? And all the closed factories and global brands, people from there apparently got a similar job with the same salaries, and their skills are in demand again? And how did it happen that a Muscovite is a Chinese JAC at a double price only with a nameplate, have you heard that they plan to make an electric loaf in the Crimea? The machine that went into the project almost under Stalin! And try to draw a parallel between the developed industry and the development of the country, you will be surprised. The fact that, according to reports, the GDP there has fallen a little and growth will soon occur, so this will all happen at the expense of the military-industrial complex, loaded to the eyeballs. Are you planning to feed the population with tanks? Now all the media has been shifted to the CBO - this, of course, is good .. But, when everything is over, what will we do? Learn Chinese?

[Dmitry Karabanov]

I am not an expert - but why is the most powerful non-nuclear weapon, the most powerful non-nuclear weapon, not used for fortified areas for a long time? After all, thermobaric weapons are just super-effective against such places. What are they protecting? If they are afraid of enemy air defense - it’s not so difficult to use planning corrected ammunition - it’s better than risking the lives of our guys!

[AlexWar]

Can't our airborne troops cope with the rear? Is it a Question?
This news is 3-4 days old and the soledar has not yet been taken.
Until they begin to tear communications with a landing force, then a million people in the army will continue to pull up reinforcements from them. At what they will be pulled up in civilian clothes and ours will be surprised where they get food and reinforcements from. The question is, how are they transporting him there? This is to lead hundreds of trucks there are unloaded in the soledar itself or nearby and where our MO is looking
Just imagine how many weapons are being transported through the Dnieper bridges to the Donetsk Soledar Bakhmut line. I have been reading the news for a year and there has not yet been any news that we were hunting for Ukrainian transport. The weapon is apparently messing around in civilian trucks under the guise of food
Maybe they have accumulated so many weapons there before that they still have enough of everything.