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The Turkish company Baykar Makina recognized the possibility of using its drones against the countries that bought them

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The Turkish company Baykar Makina recognized the possibility of using its drones against the countries that bought them

Turkey fully controls the attack drones produced by it and transferred to other countries by installing the appropriate software on them. According to Seljuk Bayraktar, Chairman of the Board of Directors of Baykar Makina, in this way the country ensures its own security.


Turkish drones, in particular the Bayraktar TB2, are equipped with special software that allows them to turn against current owners if the drones are used in hostilities on the side of the enemy of the Turkish army. Baykar Makina admitted that they have full control over their products. According to Seljuk Bayraktar, this is a common practice, all countries producing "advanced devices" control them.

(...) these are high-tech devices and we equip high-tech devices with software. Only those who develop this technology dominate the software

- he said.

At the same time, the company emphasized that Turkey has close ties with those countries where it sells its drones and it has no expectations of an attack from them.

It is worth noting that recently the Turks have been quite actively supplying their attack drones to other countries, including European ones. To date, Bayraktar TB2 UAV operators are Ukraine, Poland, Lithuania, Azerbaijan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan, a number of countries in Africa and Asia.
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  1. voice of reason
    voice of reason 8 January 2023 06: 44
    +2
    Well, they admitted that they have electronic "bookmarks". so everyone has them, from the Meloksoft system to radio stations. Another thing is how much they really have everything cunningly hidden there, but how much it is political PR. Perhaps all these "stucks" were found and neutralized by cunning enemy hackers.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 8 January 2023 06: 52
      +6
      Quote: voice of reason
      electronic bookmarks. so they all have, from the Meloksoft system, to radio stations

      And why are all our own weapons fighting against us? What does it have to do with it not only in the times of the USSR, but also later. As well as our weapons that have become trophy ... And not a single bookmark!
      1. voice of reason
        voice of reason 8 January 2023 07: 06
        +11
        Because Soviet weapons are mainly based on electrics, lamps and semiconductors, and not on chipped electronics. Do you understand another technological order? You can't put a "friend or foe" recognition system into a stone ax and a three-ruler either ...
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 8 January 2023 07: 19
          +3
          Quote: voice of reason
          soviet weapons mainly on electrics, lamps and semiconductors, and not on chipped electronics ... Do you understand another technological order. AT stone ax

          The USSR made more chips than Russia does now. And not in Taiwan.

          Our industry now cannot even produce an economy car Lada Vesta without Western electrics.
          1. Johnson Smithson
            Johnson Smithson 8 January 2023 07: 35
            +5
            The USSR made more chips than Russia does now. And not in Taiwan.

            what was done in the USSR is hopelessly outdated,
            now one processor, which is made in Russia (although also outdated), can replace a whole room with computers made in the USSR, in which there were tens of thousands of chips

            and the complexity of production has increased by many orders of magnitude, so there is no point in comparing, now only 1-2 countries have the opportunity to develop such technologies, China has already invested a trillion dollars, but is still 10 years behind,

            and we are 15-20 years behind, Russia doesn’t even have a trillion to spend on the development of these technologies, and Western ones don’t sell us like Taiwan
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 8 January 2023 07: 52
              +9
              Quote from Johnson Smithson
              what was done in The USSR is hopelessly outdated

              Captain obvious? After all, more than 30 years have passed since then! How could it be otherwise?

              I, perhaps, will reveal a secret for you - Western electronics of those times are also hopelessly outdated.
              1. Johnson Smithson
                Johnson Smithson 8 January 2023 07: 57
                +5
                The technologies that were during the USSR were simple, it's like comparing a steam engine and a diesel engine.
                Now only 1-2 countries can theoretically master this on their own, but in reality there is not even one such country, some machines are made only by the Netherlands, some only by the USA. And no one has a full range of technologies, China is just trying to make its own technologies for a full cycle at home.
                And it makes no sense to talk about Taiwan at all, they have nothing of their own there, all the machines and technologies are foreign.

                This is not even close to what it was in the days of the USSR, when the technology was simple and many countries could do it themselves.

                It is useless for Russia to try to compete alone here, it must have a GDP like that of the United States or China.
                1. cold wind
                  cold wind 8 January 2023 08: 47
                  +2
                  Of course, you can distort the words of a person and then draw some conclusions from them. But here is what Seljuk said:
                  these are high-tech devices, and we equip high-tech devices with software. Only those who develop this technology dominate the software

                  He said a banal thing. Who creates has superiority over those who only buy. There is nothing that you attribute and this article does not exist.

                  In reality, they started developing their engine, there is an order for 1000 TB2, and money can be allocated for this.
                2. Stas157
                  Stas157 8 January 2023 09: 12
                  +5
                  Quote from Johnson Smithson
                  Technologies that were during the USSR were simpleIt's like comparing a steam engine and a diesel engine.

                  So simple that now they can not repeat. And those who repeat, consider themselves a great achievement! The resumption of production of the White Swan, for example.

                  Quote from Johnson Smithson
                  full range of technologies no one has

                  Do you think your explanation is exhaustive and sufficient? Well, in order not to be upset by backwardness, but to take it for granted?

                  You understand, there is a factthat some countries have advanced technology while others do not.
                  Everything Else - only explanations.
                3. Tusv
                  Tusv 8 January 2023 09: 46
                  +3
                  Quote from Johnson Smithson
                  It's like comparing a steam engine and a diesel engine.

                  It depends how you compare. For example, a conventional nuclear reactor is a typical steam engine drinks
                  1. Oleg Ogorod
                    Oleg Ogorod 8 January 2023 10: 29
                    +1
                    Well, to be precise, this is not an engine, but a steam boiler. Driven by a steam turbine.
                    1. Tusv
                      Tusv 8 January 2023 10: 37
                      +1
                      Quote: Oleg Ogorod
                      Well, to be precise, this is not an engine, but a steam boiler. Driven by a steam turbine.

                      It is necessary somehow to be more careful with the answers, otherwise I will decide what was the first Chicken or Egg. No, the Ig Nobel Prize is guaranteed to me in any case drinks
                4. Tusv
                  Tusv 8 January 2023 10: 12
                  +2
                  Quote from Johnson Smithson
                  It is useless for Russia to try to compete alone here, it must have a GDP like that of the United States or China.

                  Well, it was the imperialists who came up with the idea of ​​measuring GDP as a contribution to NATO. Two percent. Poland and the Baltic States are even ahead. Well, in general. Titanium is fragile, and its alloys are reliable. Who owns this technology? And without any snot on bourgeois solidarity.
                  And according to the Big Mac index, we are ahead of the rest
                  1. Stas157
                    Stas157 8 January 2023 12: 32
                    0
                    Quote: Tusv
                    And according to the Big Mac index, we are ahead of the rest

                    Curiously, the iPod index will have the opposite picture.
                    Because the first index is a display of the cost of cheap products and cheap services (low cost of manual labor). And the second - the price of electronics. Where a high degree of production automation is needed. We also have large customs fees there.
                5. hector
                  hector 8 January 2023 10: 53
                  +4
                  Quote from Johnson Smithson
                  It is useless for Russia to try to compete alone here, it must have a GDP like that of the United States or China.

                  Therefore, you should not try, is it better to beg on your knees from the "civilized world"? With such an approach, Russia will be in the fifth point in everything. However, for some reason, nuclear technology is ahead of the planet and independently, your logic does not dance here.
      2. lwxx
        lwxx 8 January 2023 08: 33
        +1
        Even new bookmarks fail. Today, east of N. p. Kurakhovo shot down a MiG-29 of the Ukrainian Air Force from the aerobatic team "Ukrainian Falcons" with friendly fire. SAM "Osa" shot down his own, Ukrainian, MiG-29.
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 8 January 2023 08: 51
      +1
      Quote: voice of reason
      Perhaps all these "stucks" were found and neutralized by cunning enemy hackers.

      It's not that simple! There is also protection from "hackers" ...: when you try to "flash", the information is erased in all "critical" microchips ... re-programming becomes impossible! (In short .... kirdyk comes to microchips!) am
      1. Oleg Ogorod
        Oleg Ogorod 8 January 2023 10: 41
        0
        So back in the USSR there were ROM chips, since I flashed them and that's it, no more flashing. Just change the chip. And this is to climb into the structure. But after all, many military equipment is sold only with warranty and service maintenance from the equipment manufacturer. And according to the contract, you have no right to climb there. And it’s easy to make a bookmark, a year of service has not passed, a command to erase memory. Which only the manufacturer can restore.
        By the way, the Turks are now testing their drones, created and being created, and they will test their new aircraft on the S-400 supplied by Russia. To reduce their vulnerability to Russian air defense.
    3. Argon
      Argon 8 January 2023 11: 04
      0
      Rather, they are preparing the electorate and NATO for sales to Russia. Russia, however, expressed a desire to buy them, but they refused. Now the loss of such a jackpot haunts them and they threw out this rubbish.
    4. Sergei Kazarin
      Sergei Kazarin 8 January 2023 20: 59
      0
      How is it, Russia, thanks to electronic bookmarks, turned off the Ukrainian Buki and S-300?
  2. Stas157
    Stas157 8 January 2023 06: 46
    +5
    . Baykar Makina admitted that have full control over their products

    What about Turkish S-400s? Almaz-Antey controls them?
    1. HattinGokbori88
      HattinGokbori88 8 January 2023 15: 43
      +2
      What about Turkish S-400s? Almaz-Antey controls them?

      Probably yes. Turkish S-400s would be useless against Russian jet fighters in any real war against Russia. This is common practice. But weapons usually don't turn against their owner and don't give their maker a remote control, as the author claims. They simply become useless in various ways, either by refusing to cross certain boundaries or by becoming grossly inaccurate. Just like the Israeli drones that Turkey bought in the past. Their accuracy drops below 5% when the Turks try to use them against the PKK. But in the case of large complex systems, such as the S-400, they can also leak radar data to the country of origin.
  3. mitroha
    mitroha 8 January 2023 06: 48
    0
    to other countries, including European. To date, Bayraktar TB2 UAV operators are Ukraine, Poland, Lithuania,

    Such a Europe ... yes, well, it’s in the hole laughing
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 8 January 2023 06: 55
    +3
    this is a common practice, all countries producing "advanced devices" control them.
    It probably shouldn't be otherwise. Most likely, our high-tech weapons (the same S-300, S-400 ...) sold abroad have something that prevents them (weapons) from being used against the Russian Armed Forces.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 8 January 2023 07: 11
      0
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Likely and our high-tech weapons (the same S-300, S-400 ...)

      Likely... But the Turkish manufacturer directly stated this. Without any probably.

      And the Turks do not make any secret of this, and are not afraid that they will not buy from them.
      But our side, selling sensitive weapons, even about probably does not speak. This is your personal expectation.
      1. Johnson Smithson
        Johnson Smithson 8 January 2023 08: 17
        +1
        And the Turks do not make any secret of this, and are not afraid that they will not buy from them

        well, fools are not afraid, both the USA and Russia make bookmarks, and China puts how many different bookmarks, but no one talks about it openly
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 8 January 2023 08: 32
          0
          Quote from Johnson Smithson
          Russia, let alone China, how many different bookmarks it puts, but no one talks about it openly

          Well, you know that very well!

          I'm not interested in China, but I would like to know about Russia - are there at least some examples so that Russian weapons do not shoot against us?

          What is the source of your knowledge and what is your confidence based on... at the level of assumptions?
  5. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 8 January 2023 07: 00
    0
    Quote: rotmistr60
    Most likely, our high-tech weapons (the same S-300, S-400 ...) sold abroad have something that prevents them (weapons) from being used against the Russian Armed Forces.

    I want to believe.
    1. Rustic
      Rustic 8 January 2023 07: 34
      +1
      I want to believe.
      Then it turns out that one structure of the Federal Property Management Agency supplies products to the Nazis, who, in turn, are at war with the products of another structure of the Federal Property Management Agency that are used by the RF Armed Forces. Both the Nazis and the Russians are dying, and the Federal Property Management Agency stupidly knocks money off both.
  6. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 8 January 2023 07: 23
    -8
    Quote: Stas157
    The USSR made more chips than Russia does now. And not in Taiwan.

    This cannot be. belay
    During the collapse of the USSR, he did not have CHIPs.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 8 January 2023 07: 32
      +4
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      During the collapse of the USSR He didn't have any chips..

      Did the Soviet Buran also fly into space on its own without chips and without a program?

      I personally remember that at the institute and at factories there were EC computers, SM computers ... and at my house there was a companion computer based on the Soviet clone of the Z80 processor. And at school I had programmable Soviet calculator MK-61.
  7. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 8 January 2023 07: 27
    0
    This is a stupid statement (what idiot will buy bayroktar now if their capabilities depend on the mood of the seller) for the United States, no matter what they decide to buy Bayroktar Kurds from the country of the operator. Or maybe they already bought it ?! bully
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 8 January 2023 07: 56
      0
      What kind of MANPADS was used to hit a Mexican Air Force transport plane the other day? Maybe a stinger from Ukraine?
    2. Stas157
      Stas157 8 January 2023 08: 01
      0
      Quote: tralflot1832
      This is a stupid statement (what idiot will buy bayroktar now

      Do you think there will be a queue for the Orions? Do buyers have a choice?
      1. Johnson Smithson
        Johnson Smithson 8 January 2023 08: 35
        0
        What do you mean, what choice? Lots of people make drones.
        Bayraktars are a budget solution, their buyers are mainly banana republics from Africa: Morocco, Niger, Mali, etc.
        Apart from Poland and Pakistan, no one has made orders from large countries, and now they will not do so with such statements.
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 8 January 2023 09: 26
          +1
          Quote from Johnson Smithson
          What do you mean, what choice? Lots of people make drones.

          Do you try to buy them? Apart from Iran (Iran does not officially sell them), does anyone sell them to us?
          Another example is we sell. Does anyone buy drones from us? Orion-E in export version, for example.

          Quote from Johnson Smithson
          Bayraktars are a budget solution, their buyers are mainly banana republics from Africa

          And you try to name an alternative that you can easily buy!
          1. alexoff
            alexoff 8 January 2023 13: 48
            +1
            Israel and China make good drones, but they don’t sell us and we don’t really want to. They don’t buy Orions because everything is muddy with them and how they are used with drums, you know what, but now they can give you a cap for buying them. Well, here, of course, the question is, where are the orions that are not E, who are riveted in three shifts for six months.
        2. Murad Qocayev
          Murad Qocayev 8 January 2023 09: 46
          0
          In addition to the budget solution, bayraktars have very good and maybe even better characteristics for their money. And they are not bought by banana countries, as you mistakenly put it. And this is just the beginning
  8. Alexander of Alexandria
    Alexander of Alexandria 8 January 2023 09: 12
    -1
    Russian hackers: "challenge accepted"
    If it is possible to intercept control according to the "protocol of the creator", then it makes sense to calculate this method)
  9. Two
    Two 8 January 2023 09: 20
    +1
    hi Opened the Turkish "America"! All my life, electronic, this has been done and will be done! You can remember how a few years ago we turned gas compressors into scrap metal, remotely, and now they flaunt the ability to turn off smartphones.
  10. cniza
    cniza 8 January 2023 09: 20
    +3
    To date, Bayraktar TB2 UAV operators are Ukraine, Poland, Lithuania, Azerbaijan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan, a number of countries in Africa and Asia.


    Now these countries will rejoice, but what does Turkey think about the C 400?
  11. valera75
    valera75 8 January 2023 09: 23
    +2
    Quote: lwxx
    Even new bookmarks fail. Today, east of N. p. Kurakhovo shot down a MiG-29 of the Ukrainian Air Force from the aerobatic team "Ukrainian Falcons" with friendly fire. SAM "Osa" shot down his own, Ukrainian, MiG-29.

    Wasp, this is a Soviet air defense system that began to be developed in 1960 and went into service in 1971, the fact that she shot down a Khokhlyat MIG, which means the Soviet bookmark worked. She saw her Mig but at the helm of a Bandera and determined that he was a stranger in automatic mode, it worked to destroy the target laughing
    these are high-tech devices, and we equip high-tech devices with software. Only those who develop this technology dominate the software
    This says only one thing: - HAVE (release) your weapons and your powerful army, and then you will be independent from anyone.
  12. orionvitt
    orionvitt 8 January 2023 22: 27
    0
    Bayraktar's main advantage is his father-in-law, Erdogan.
  13. Alex242
    Alex242 9 January 2023 22: 58
    0
    Quote: Stas157
    Quote: voice of reason
    electronic bookmarks. so they all have, from the Meloksoft system, to radio stations

    And why are all our own weapons fighting against us? What does it have to do with it not only in the times of the USSR, but also later. As well as our weapons that have become trophy ... And not a single bookmark!

    try making a bookmark in the lamp .... winked
  14. Alex242
    Alex242 9 January 2023 23: 00
    0
    Quote: valera75
    Wasp, this is a Soviet air defense system that began to be developed in 1960 and went into service in 1971, the fact that she shot down a Khokhlyat MIG, which means the Soviet bookmark worked. She saw her Mig but at the helm of a Bandera and determined that he was a stranger in automatic mode, it worked to destroy the target


    that's what it means, development for the ages ... good
  15. Alex242
    Alex242 9 January 2023 23: 02
    -1
    Quote: Murad Qocayev
    In addition to the budget solution, bayraktars have very good and maybe even better characteristics for their money. And they are not bought by banana countries, as you mistakenly put it. And this is just the beginning

    well, well, we looked at how they were crumbled in the fields of Ukraine .....