"Lithium hunger" destroys the ambitions of Russia

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"Lithium hunger" destroys the ambitions of Russia
Typical mining of lithium salts in South America. Source: battery-industry.ru


The Reality of Sanctions


Russia has always purchased alkali metal lithium from abroad, mainly from Chile, Argentina and Bolivia. There were times when the Soviet Union ranked second in the world in terms of production of this metal, second only to the United States. But the 90s came and lithium mining in Russia turned out to be unprofitable. Meanwhile, the first lithium mine appeared back in 1941 in Eastern Transbaikalia at the Zavitinsky deposit. In 1997 it was closed.



February 2022 came and sanctions fell on Russia. And not only from countries that we are accustomed to associate with the collective West, but from those who were quite loyal before. Argentina and Chile stopped supplying lithium to our country. This is understandable - local industrialists are closely connected with Elon Musk and his Tesla. So far, Bolivia has remained the exclusive supplier, but so far it has not reached the hands of Washington. Optimists believe that now it is not worth worrying about the supply of lithium raw materials from Bolivia - the government in the country is now completely loyal to the Kremlin. Pessimists point to the volume of production and consumption. Every year Russia buys about 7-8 thousand tons of lithium carbonate, while Bolivia is able to produce only about 2 thousand tons annually. This imbalance threatens to leave our country without lithium raw materials.


Lithium. Source: atomic-energy.ru

Meanwhile, lithium is of strategic importance for Russia. And the point is not even in lithium-ion batteries, which are talked about on every corner, but in a wide range of civilian and defense products. Alkali metal is used in the manufacture of special alloys, for example, paired with aluminum for aviation industry. The nuclear industry vitally needs lithium as a coolant in reactors to produce the radioactive hydrogen isotope tritium, which, in turn, is used as a shielding agent to search for thermal neutrons. Pharmacists use lithium salts as the basis for a wide range of drugs. Not surprisingly, Vladislav Demidov, deputy director of the department of metallurgy and materials of the Russian Ministry of Industry and Trade, almost panicked when Russia blocked part of the supply of lithium. According to him, the country is facing "giant" problems.

The emerging “lithium hunger” becomes especially relevant after reading the “Concept for the development of production and use of electric road transport in the Russian Federation for the period up to 2030”. If you believe this document, which so far has not been canceled or corrected by anyone, then next year at least 25 thousand electric vehicles should be produced in Russia. And by 2030, every tenth vehicle produced in the country will not have an internal combustion engine - its place will be taken by an electric motor and a lithium-ion traction battery. Without exaggeration, this is a real technological revolution in a single country. To understand the situation, let's give an example - at the moment in Russia there is no mass production of the simplest by world standards ABS modules and airbag control units. And here is the mass production of the most complex electric vehicles. However, this program has an obvious solution - to give everything at the mercy of the Chinese. In China, ten percent of new cars are already battery-powered. They know how to make batteries (there are a lot of their own reserves of lithium for this), and electric cars. Approximately as now in Moscow they have mastered the production of the “originally Russian Moskvich”, but in fact, the screwdriver assembly of the Chinese JAC.

Hope that the electric future will not be quite the same as with the "Moskvich", give plans to build a Russian gigafactory in the Kaliningrad region. We are talking about the Rosatom project aimed at creating a plant for the production of batteries for electric vehicles. In 2026, the production of lithium-ion batteries for 45 electric cars, most of which will be passenger cars, will be launched near the Baltic NPP. By the way, the production of strategically important products was located just ten kilometers from the NATO country - Lithuania. Managers explain that the Russian enclave in the very heart of Europe was not chosen by chance - supposedly, transport accessibility is at the level here, and the climate allows for year-round construction, and the technological readiness of the site. Particularly touching is the "transport accessibility" in the light of the not so long-standing blockade by Lithuania. But let's leave it on the conscience of the designers. According to the plan, the total capacity of the produced batteries should be at least 3 GWh per year, and in the future, a fourfold increase in capacity is possible. Among the consumers of products are KamAZ, GAZ, the local Kaliningrad Avtotor, Volgabas and, possibly, AvtoVAZ. Rosatom will develop battery production technology in cooperation with South Korean Enertech International - and this is another bottleneck of the project, if you remember how dependent Seoul is on Washington's opinion.

It's all about this stories the only thing left is to find the necessary volumes of lithium, taking into account the constantly growing needs of Russia.

Lithium made in Russia


For the time being, there is no need to worry about the needs of Rosatom - according to media reports, the industry has accumulated the volume of raw materials necessary for the first time. Atomists are hinting that they are ready to invest in the expansion of mining and production of lithium carbonate in Bolivia. Some experts call this country "lithium Saudi Arabia”, and whoever manages to develop considerable reserves first will take a good jackpot. Bolivia has already announced a competition for development - at the moment six companies are participating. Of these, one American office, four Chinese and Russian Uranium One from the Rosatom structure. The plans include a multiple increase in lithium production in Bolivia and, of course, priority supplies to Russia. There are at least two dangers here. First, given the level of anti-Russian pressure, no one can guarantee the stability of the Russian project in Bolivia in two or three years. The second is that a massive switch to Bolivian raw materials will again make domestic production unprofitable. Why the mentioned Uranium One cannot launch lithium mining in Russia is a question that is still unanswered.

There are developments in Russia's own production of alkali metal, it remains only to wait for the transition from words to deeds.

It’s worth starting with the fact that the country ranks third in the world in terms of reserves of this valuable metal. Of course, lithium salts do not lie underfoot, as in South America, but they are also quite mined. Although it is more difficult and more expensive. But then he has technological sovereignty in order to sacrifice something for the sake of a brighter future. Natural piggy bank of lithium salts are Eastern Siberia, the Murmansk region and the Far East. Norilsk Nickel is already eyeing one of them and has entered into an agreement with Rosatom to develop the Kolmozerskoye mine in the country's northwest. Up to twenty percent of the explored reserves of lithium are concentrated here, and mining has to be carried out by mine or quarrying. This is one of the most expensive ways to mine lithium, although high metal prices offset the costs. Over the past couple of years, the cost of lithium carbonate has risen from $13 to $75. According to pessimists, it will be possible to organize work at the field practically from scratch no earlier than in five to seven years. There is also the option of reusing dumps, for example, at the Zavitinskoye field mentioned above. Technology has stepped forward noticeably, and now a lot of valuable raw materials can be obtained from “mining”. According to A. Nesterenko, director of the KPMG strategic and operational consulting practice, this will take one or two years. True, this will not allow to completely cover Russia's needs for lithium.


The government has very ambitious plans for electric transport in Russia. In the photo, the Kama-1 electric car. Source: kamaz45.ru

Fast forward to the Irkutsk region, to the Kovykinskoye gas condensate field of Gazprom, where they plan to organize the extraction of lithium salts from local groundwater. This is cheaper than extracting from the solid minerals of the Murmansk region, but also very costly. The necessary documents for launching the project were signed even before the start of the special military operation in Ukraine. As usual in such cases, a road map has been prepared.

At least a billion rubles will be needed to develop the large Yuzhno-Sukhokumskoye lithium deposit in Dagestan. Here it is possible to "evaporate" up to 6 thousand tons of raw materials, which almost covers Russia's annual demand at the present time. And there are a lot of such underground lithium-bearing brines in Dagestan. According to scientists of the Russian Academy of Sciences, it is the North Caucasus that should become the locomotive of the alkali metal mining industry.

At the moment, one thing is clear - a shortage of lithium in Russia is just around the corner. On paper, at least three mining sites are being organized, and it remains only to wait for real steps. And if both businessmen and the government take everything that is planned really seriously, then Russia may have “new gold”. Let not liquid, but no less valuable.
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  1. +37
    11 January 2023 06: 16
    It is necessary to work right there, to take care of the affairs of state, and not to fill your pockets with easy money ... Our officials have forgotten how to perform their direct duties, they have relaxed. Our power is weak, the whole vertical has rotted
    1. +29
      11 January 2023 07: 07
      Indeed, the cancer on the mountain whistles faster than they begin to stir! CBO clearly shows the hardiness and fraud!
      1. +41
        11 January 2023 08: 10
        You read the article and think: how are the Russian "curly" - market-monetarists - the so-called. pro-Western "effective managers" - in pursuit of financial profits, they have pumped and will pump and surrender Russia's SOVEREIGNTY to the West !!!

        And none of them - these traitors - did not bear any responsibility!
        Moreover, these scoundrels in Russia are still in the ranks!
        1. -7
          11 January 2023 09: 14
          Quote: Tatiana
          You read the article and think: how are the Russian "curly" - market-monetarists - the so-called. pro-Western "effective managers" - in pursuit of financial profits, they have pumped and will pump and surrender Russia's SOVEREIGNTY to the West !!!

          Don't read this bullshit article.
          The author is poorly versed in the details, but considers himself an expert.
          For some reason, he decided that the ABS unit is very simple, and the Electromobile is very difficult.
          So, we have trolleybuses and trucks, they were made 50 years ago, there is nothing complicated there.
          And in these same ABS blocks, it takes a very long time to develop and test. It is impossible to re-equip all machines in 2-3 months. The banal production of a car WITHOUT ABS required 3 months, but do you think it is possible to adjust your production in half a year? Bosch has a huge market and huge feedback and has already reached the 7th version of the ABS system. This journey took them 30 years. And there are a lot of bugs in this 7th version.
          Now about lithium. URA patriotism is now fashionable, but buying lithium produced from us is 3 or even 4 times more expensive than from Bolivia, well, such a pleasure. Well, the question is, why try to piss against the wind ??? The whole world is stupid and is trying to buy lithium in YuzhAmer., And we are the smartest, will we mine it at home? like in Australia, Africa or Canada, but in the same USA there is no lithium? everywhere there is, but there is the concept of profitability. All progress today goes along the path of division of labor. Someone extracts resources, someone from these resources produces goods, and someone simply engages in mental activity, designs. In our country, there is a corny lack of workers at a construction site and road construction. Do you want complete self-sufficiency?
          1. +29
            11 January 2023 09: 39
            The whole world is stupid and is trying to buy lithium in YuzhAmer., And we are the smartest, will we mine it at home?

            Joseph Vissarionovich oh, it was not in vain that he postulated - you need to have your own .. Let it be more expensive - but you know for sure that you have it. Tomorrow they will impose another sanctions - and we will not have any lithium from South Amer. What will we do? In general, it is simply a shame for the largest country in the world to buy raw materials somewhere on the side. We have the whole table - you just need to get it, and not count what you can get more on..
            1. +6
              11 January 2023 17: 33
              What about the presence and absence of lithium? we may have lithium itself, only we have snow, rain and low temperatures, so we cannot organize "open processing cycle of lithium from its ore", that is, to organize the very "lakes" due to which the processing of ore becomes cheaper.
            2. +12
              12 January 2023 10: 34
              I myself am horrified! It seems to me that we, in Russia, no longer walk on the ground, but walk on crisp banknotes! We throw so much money down the drain, give it away to anyone, spend it without looking back just because we are immensely rich and look like that same idiot brother who lights up from a hundred bill. And for the operation of the child we collect the whole world. It is not for nothing that the Japanese talk about Russians, each Russian genius individually, but how they come together sucks. They sit on sacks of gold and live like beggars. Indeed, God gave us a place where everything is in abundance, but we are dependent on the sanctions of semi-wild countries.
            3. -3
              13 January 2023 08: 16
              Iosif Vissarionovich understood the word "expediency". And he did not hesitate to buy from "allies" and "partners" what was more profitable to buy.

              You can write anything on the Internet, in reality you have to calculate everything.
              How many years is it possible to buy lithium in Bolivia?
              How much effort and money will be saved in this case?
              What prevents you from developing your production in parallel?
              What environmental consequences will be from production in the Russian Federation and economic losses from them?

              What kind of kindergarten "must have your own"?
              What are you willing to sacrifice for this?
              Ready for the whole family to go to Siberia for five years in cold barracks to build a mining complex? For the average salary in the Russian Federation?
              And even if you are ready, what can you do?
              Manage construction equipment?
              Knit rebar?
              Can you weld?
            4. +1
              16 January 2023 04: 35
              Well, you need to organize the production, mess with it. This is where organizational skills are needed. And in the buy-sell mode it is much easier to live and have money from this.
          2. +23
            11 January 2023 10: 13
            All these electric cars are good.
            I don't want to go into details about how they affect the environment.
            But one, in my opinion, a very important point, no one mentions.
            Everyone knows that on frosty days the efficiency of any battery drops significantly.
            In addition, energy is needed to heat the car.
            So will it be profitable for Russians to buy such an electric car, especially where winters are long and cold?
            1. +7
              11 January 2023 13: 10
              Let's open a business for "electric trains" - a tow truck, only with an industrial generator! bully
            2. +1
              12 January 2023 09: 02
              So will it be profitable for Russians to buy such an electric car, especially where winters are long and cold?

              And here it is?
              Electric cars are needed for megacities. Where there are more than 2 million people
              To reduce the amount of exhaust gases.
              For lungs to breathe clean air.
              All.
              1. +1
                13 January 2023 08: 20
                And let all sorts of chocks in the places of production and enrichment of lithium die, they are not sorry.

                The main thing is that everything should be beautiful in the megacities of white people.

                So yes?

                And transferring to public transport is inappropriate for white people.
            3. 0
              16 January 2023 04: 37
              Electric cars are green in use, but in production they seem to be not very green. Moreover, a significant part of environmental pollution is caused by cars that wear out on the roadway.
          3. NKT
            +22
            11 January 2023 10: 31
            The whole world is stupid and is trying to buy lithium in YuzhAmer., And we are the smartest, will we mine it at home? like in Australia, Africa or Canada, but in the same USA there is no lithium? everywhere there is, but there is the concept of profitability.

            That's right, we need to start developing, because over time, technologies develop and the profitability of production increases.
            In the 200s, they also laughed at the development of unconventional reservoirs (shale) at a cost of $300-400 per barrel, but now the cost is already about $40-60, they also giggled at LNG, especially Gazprom, eventually lost time and started anyway build LNG plants. China has put on stream drilling wells with depths of 7-8-9 km in a couple of years.

            It does not work for those who do nothing.
          4. +24
            11 January 2023 13: 47
            The whole world is fools and is trying to buy lithium in South America, and we are the smartest, we will mine at home

            One leader also said: "Who needs your machines?! If we need them, we'll buy them." And where are the machines, someone sells them to us? It’s the same with the rest of the vital products for the country, it will be the same with lithium - supplies, sales will be covered ...
            You are probably a student of that figure and his followers ....
            1. +3
              12 January 2023 11: 08
              The more they produce, the lower the cost will be.
              1. 0
                19 January 2023 22: 50
                Quote: sgrabik
                The more they produce, the lower the cost will be.


                WELL AND WE SHOULD GO BACK TO THE PRICES FOR GAS, PETROLEUM, ELECTRICITY OF THE Soviet times, when they cost a penny...
                The economy will pick up right away. And now, with such crazy energy prices, everything will only fall apart
            2. 0
              12 January 2023 17: 40
              and most importantly - where is the same figure? feel
            3. +1
              12 January 2023 19: 59
              There is such a nationality - a huckster. Within this nationality there are two nationalities - far-sighted hucksters and greedy hucksters. Almost without exception hucksters of the second type settled in Russia.
          5. +7
            11 January 2023 21: 33
            In order to buy something abroad, you still need to have currency. It seems to me that we will be sorely lacking in currency. She will be expensive. So the production of lithium may well be organized here. What about 3 times the cost? It's gimmicks. No one, as always, really did not think.
            1. 0
              12 January 2023 08: 50
              But how to buy for rubles? It is said that the ruble will become the new world currency! So you worry in vain)))
          6. -4
            12 January 2023 05: 44
            You washed them right. Why did no one appreciate it? Lithium mining in our country is many times more expensive than in Bolivia. And since capitalism, why be surprised. Will explore Bolivia
          7. +3
            12 January 2023 05: 51
            There are enough workers in this country, they just don’t go to work where they pay little, and now, believe me, salaries at construction sites are not the highest, in the estimates they lay from 130 rubles per hour. Yes, there are facilities on the servers where 400 rubles per hour are laid down, people go there to work.
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          8. +1
            12 January 2023 14: 41
            [The author is not good at details, but considers himself an expert.]
            Totally agree with you. There have always been many authors of all-propalshiks here. And now it's just disgusting to read the headlines. And give everyone a SCOOP. There it was all right. And now EVERYTHING is bad. I would paint in colors how my grandmother raised three children during the war, where at the very beginning my grandfather fell near Kharkov. No one even roughly understands the price of victory !!! And everyone grunts - give us back the scoop! No lithium? Badly! And at the beginning of the war, we did not have sheet aluminum. We stupidly received it under Lend-Lease. And now what? Obosr-Xia and not live?
            In general, there are only three countries in the world that can survive in complete isolation. And communist China is not included here ... But the United States, Canada and us are included. This should also be appreciated. And we live not badly, in comparison with the generation of the 40s. And we are waging a big war. And we launch nuclear submarines every year. Everything is bad? What else can you tell me about Bolivia?
            1. 0
              12 January 2023 18: 23
              And my grandmother raised sixteen children. Grandfather died at the front in the Bryansk forest in 1941. Great-grandfather was dispossessed in 1919.
              And I don't buzz
              The main thing for me is that the Slavs were not killed. The war is not for the Russian world. For Slavonic. And the Slavs and Muslims get along peacefully. And we will fight together because. And many Muslims are Slavs and vice versa
          9. 0
            12 January 2023 21: 40
            Only now we have 2,5 trolleybus plants left, and 95% of electric cars are all imported.
            For example, a diesel locomotive 50 years ago and a modern diesel locomotive differ like a slingshot and anti-tank systems. You can also rivet wagons from the time of Daimler's grandfather.
            1. +1
              13 January 2023 06: 38
              By the way, working on a TEM 18 diesel locomotive, where an electrical circuit with a minimum amount of electronics is much easier than on a TEM18DM, where it was stuffed where it was needed and where it was not needed ...
            2. 0
              14 January 2023 21: 22
              I don’t know about trolleybuses, but Simaz disperses like hot pies. And yes, they wrote something bad about Kamaz. Don't worry it's all right. They passed the baton. We accepted. We run further. We run...
        2. -1
          11 January 2023 22: 02
          There is no king either in the capital, or in the minds, here is a dashing freeman and does what he wants fellow Mutual responsibility smears like tar ... request
        3. +2
          12 January 2023 11: 05
          Drive pro-Western creatures in the neck from all leadership positions, we should not have traitors and shifters in the leadership.
        4. 0
          13 January 2023 06: 28
          It's been there for a long time already. These Kudrin are only a small part of the system
    2. +14
      11 January 2023 07: 10
      Quote from: FoBoss_VM
      care about the affairs of state...

      That's exactly what to please, and not rely on the market

      This is one of the most expensive ways to mine lithium...
      According to pessimists, it will be possible to organize work at the field practically from scratch no earlier than in five to seven years.

      The capitalists will not invest in risky projects, but when the profit starts to go only in ten years. Lithium is expensive today, but tomorrow...
      The state should be engaged in such strategic projects.
      1. +4
        11 January 2023 07: 47
        The state should be engaged in such strategic projects.
        Only it is not engaged and will not be engaged, everything hopes for a private initiative, and here:
        The capitalists will not invest in risky projects, but when the profit starts to go only in ten years.
        1. dSK
          +9
          11 January 2023 21: 41
          The states are using every opportunity to blockade Russia, changing the president in impoverished Bolivia is a matter of price and time.
          The construction of a nuclear power plant in Kaliningrad was frozen, "streams" were blown up, the walls of the Zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant were blown up ...
          What awaits this "battery" mega-factory in the modern "cold war"?
          "Russia will grow with Siberia", this saying is very many years old ...
        2. -1
          12 January 2023 13: 05
          The state does not rely on private initiative. We have a capitalist regime. There is a demand, there will be an offer.
          1. +3
            12 January 2023 14: 42
            We have a capitalist regime. There is a demand, there will be an offer

            Allegedly capitalist, but it’s not clear which, for me, we have more colonial-aligarhic wild, predatory capitalism, in which Russia is robbed by international capital with the help of local aligarchy proteges, which does not need the development of the country, its production, but only needs it as a raw materials appendage .. .
            Therefore, what can be "there is a demand, there is a supply" - there is a demand in cars, but where is the offer, if there is, then not our offer, there is a demand in airplanes, so where are our planes, the offer was again not ours ... And so on many "supply and demand" ...

            Here is a good article about the capitalism we live in:
            https://brodude-ru.turbopages.org/turbo/brodude.ru/s/sovetskaya-propaganda-o-kapitalizme-kotoraya-okazalas-pravdoj/
    3. 0
      12 January 2023 06: 51
      Quote from: FoBoss_VM
      Our officials have forgotten how to perform their direct duties, they have relaxed. Our power is weak, the whole vertical has rotted

      Life itself has now forced them to include the defense industry, import substitution, and autarky. and not for fun - otherwise they will simply be fed to pigs by their winners. And they know it.
    4. +8
      12 January 2023 08: 59
      if you put aside the panic, then the figure is this: Yes, Russia buys several thousand tons. But of the total output of lithium from imported raw materials (approximately 2000 tons), 400-700 tons are consumed directly in Russia, the remaining 1300-1600 tons are exported - Batteries, glass, ceramics, lubricants, aluminum-lithium alloys are produced.
      If at the moment we dismiss the ambitions of exports and cover our own needs, then Russia will crawl out in this period of time.
      In July 2021, it was reported that the Atomredmedzoloto holding, which is part of Rosatom, plans to start mining lithium compounds in the Murmansk and Irkutsk regions, as well as in Latin America by 2030 and invest more than 50 billion rubles in these projects. The estimated volume of production was also called - up to 50 tons per year. - While this strategic information and it is not scattered anywhere.
      There is also work on a project for the production of lithium compounds from mineralized groundwater of the Kovykta gas condensate field of Gazprom in the Irkutsk region. This information is also not for outsiders.
      INK has its own technologies for processing lithium-containing associated water and is ready to adapt them for processing formation brines from the Gazprom field.
      There are three large lithium deposits in the Republic of Degestan, the largest of them, Yuzhno-Sukhokumsky, can produce 5000-6000 tons of lithium compounds per year. Over the past 40 years, 92 deposits with industrial lithium content have been studied in the North Caucasus, 55 of which are located in Dagestan.
      “Berikeiskoye, Yuzhno-Sukhokumskoye and Tarumovskoye deposits make it possible not only to fully meet the needs of Russia in lithium carbonate, but also to export it to other countries.
      From 1941 to 1997, the only lithium mine in Russia was operating in the Krasnoyarsk Territory on the territory of the Zavitinsky deposit. The concentrate was processed by the Krasnoyarsk chemical and metallurgical plant (KHMZ). In the Soviet years, about 40% of the deposit's reserves were depleted, and in 1997 it was mothballed. The Krasnoyarsk plant has issued a license for the extraction of lithium from the man-made dumps of the Zavitinskoye deposit. KHMZ and Halmek, a lithium hydroxide producer from the Tula region, also intend to develop deposits in the Murmansk region.
      In addition to KHMK and Halmek, in Russia, the processing of lithium is carried out by the Novosibirsk plant of chemical concentrates, which is part of Rosatom. Used lithium batteries are recycled at two enterprises: the National Ecological Company (NEC) in Yaroslavl and Megapolisresurs in Chelyabinsk.
      Pour a few glasses of cognac to the author of the sedative. Soon the old new year. hi
      1. +5
        12 January 2023 13: 09
        Quote: zloybond
        Pour a few glasses of cognac to the author of the sedative.

        You calmed down too early and calmed others. Or gesheft obliges? Knowing how things are done in our country, it will be possible to calm down only when these factories start working and produce products. And then perhaps not.
    5. +4
      12 January 2023 10: 41
      You need to take care of the cause, but it’s definitely not worth developing a dead end branch of the development of electric transport. There is a global problem of energy conservation all over the world. With all the emphasis on the development of battery technology. batteries are not even close to an ordinary internal combustion engine.
      The line of development of electric transport on hydrogen looks much more logical. The generation of electricity by means of fuel cells allows you to remove restrictions on charging time, on the daily range of travel, and not to waste precious energy in winter on heating.
      Not least important is the environmental component of the operation and processing of used electric cars.
      In operation, both options give ZERO, but in processing: the battery is almost the dirtiest, and the hydrogen one can be completely recycled by production.

      And most importantly, WHERE TO GET ENERGY FOR ELECTRIC CARS. Russia is a leader in nuclear energy and has also announced the construction of two tidal power plants in Kamchatka. Nothing prevents the production of hydrogen by pure spokosmob in Kamchatka and transporting it through a pipeline or in tanks in liquefied form.
      1. +1
        12 January 2023 17: 55
        In general, in our position, it is worth counting money. I'm not sure that using electric vehicles on lithium batteries is cheaper. Yes, it's probably more environmentally friendly. But, in our conditions, we don’t give a damn about the environment if it doesn’t directly affect our health, since Russia will no longer have such money, at least for 10 years.
  2. +1
    11 January 2023 06: 30
    Considering that literally grams of lithium are mined from a ton, it is beneficial for other countries to destroy the ecology of another country, and not their own. Moreover, there is a struggle for less energy consumption per unit of production. Barter of rare metals for the same lithium will help us here.
    1. +6
      11 January 2023 07: 06
      Quote: Nikolai Malyugin
      Considering that literally grams of lithium are mined from a ton, it is beneficial for other countries to destroy the ecology of another country, and not their own. Moreover, there is a struggle for less energy consumption per unit of production. Barter of rare metals for the same lithium will help us here.

      The largest deposit of lithium in the world. How terribly the ecology will suffer during mining?
      1. dSK
        -1
        11 January 2023 22: 01
        To reduce the gas pollution of the two capitals of Moscow and St. Petersburg, electric cars will be introduced "voluntarily-compulsorily."
        In the rest of Russia, the salvation of the environment is the transition to gas motor fuel ...
  3. +2
    11 January 2023 06: 33
    And if both businessmen and the government take everything that is planned really seriously, then Russia may have “new gold”.
    Unless, seriously..
    1. +5
      11 January 2023 15: 27
      Quote: parusnik
      seriously

      Ukrainian sources claim that the Bakhmut region is rich in lithium, and with the establishment of modern methods of extraction and purification, Ukraine would enter the top five world leaders.
      I don’t know how true this is, but the momentary situation with the extreme persistence of both sides suggests that it’s not a single salt. One but. I think that for the development of full-fledged production, the place should be in the deep rear.
      1. +5
        11 January 2023 23: 47
        I also do not understand all these plans for the construction of mega-superfactories in the border zone / enclaves. If I'm not confused, from history, in the 41st airfields, warehouses were moved closer to the border (just as an example). As a result, who got them in the very first months of the war? But then it could be justified by the usual crucible .... bungling, jingoistic patriotism and a bunch of other reasons. What are they justifying now? (Given the "persistent" desire of the Balts and Poles to "cut off" this territory from us. I have a question: for whom are they "trying"?)))) Indeed, excuses, like, "transport accessibility" and "year-round construction" , at least, are doubtful .... There is a base in Engels, it seems, in the deep rear, and then they got it with some drones ... But this is a base. Military facility. And for whom are they going to build a mega-factory in, in fact, the front line? ...
    2. +2
      12 January 2023 12: 38
      "If it's really serious ...", then the first thing to do is to shoot Siluyanov - the main brake on the development of the economy. And then Nabilulin.
      1. 0
        13 January 2023 06: 32
        They will also receive a promotion and a medal from their bosses for their excellent work.
  4. +1
    11 January 2023 07: 24
    Five kopecks about batteries: 15-20 years ago, in the evening news, they said that a polymer battery capable of delivering 10 kW during the year was created and brought to the earth at the space station. Then it was about the possible construction of a space plant for the production of such batteries. What was it about? If now information about this is not found?
    1. +3
      11 January 2023 07: 29
      Quote: Pike
      Five kopecks about batteries: 15-20 years ago, in the evening news, they said that a polymer battery capable of delivering 10 kW during the year was created and brought to the earth at the space station. Then it was about the possible construction of a space plant for the production of such batteries. What was it about? If now information about this is not found?

      If there is such a level of energy reserve, then these are nuclear energy sources, given the power, then this is an RTG, but it is impossible to bring a power of 10 kW to the space station, it is too heavy. So I think you are confusing something.
      1. +1
        11 January 2023 13: 43
        Quote: BlackMokona
        it is impossible to bring a power of 10 kW to the space station, it is too heavy.

        I'm not exactly confused. It was created in space, the space vacuum was mentioned as a creation environment, then it was about the possible construction of a plant in space.
        1. 0
          13 January 2023 06: 33
          This is probably something from a series that has no analogues)
  5. +29
    11 January 2023 07: 30
    These electric cars were given to you. Our elite, as a monkey before the West, continues to do so. The frosts of this January are not a lesson to them. To charge these batteries, electricity is still generated at thermal power plants. Russia has the most valuable resource, it is methane. Methane, in fact, "canned" hydrogen, where the role of the preservative element is performed by one carbon atom. There are a lot of low-rate gas wells, and development has already been carried out to obtain dimethyl ether as a motor fuel. The fact that the West relies on electric transport is quite understandable, they are tight with hydrocarbons, the climate is much warmer than the Russian one, and they can receive electricity in addition to thermal and nuclear power plants, also from solar panels, windmills and tidal stations. Everything is clear with them, we don’t care about all this. There is quite enough lithium for metallurgy, nuclear energy and pharmaceuticals in the country. Engineers should play the main role in the Government, and not effective managers with an incomprehensible humanitarian education.
    1. +1
      11 January 2023 07: 35
      Quote: 2112vda
      These electric cars were given to you. Our elite, as a monkey before the West, continues to do so. The frosts of this January are not a lesson to them. To charge these batteries, electricity is still generated at thermal power plants. Russia has the most valuable resource, it is methane. Methane, in fact, "canned" hydrogen, where the role of the preservative element is performed by one carbon atom. There are a lot of low-rate gas wells, and development has already been carried out to obtain dimethyl ether as a motor fuel. The fact that the West relies on electric transport is quite understandable, they are tight with hydrocarbons, the climate is much warmer than the Russian one, and they can receive electricity in addition to thermal and nuclear power plants, also from solar panels, windmills and tidal stations. Everything is clear with them, we don’t care about all this. There is quite enough lithium for metallurgy, nuclear energy and pharmaceuticals in the country. Engineers should play the main role in the Government, and not effective managers with an incomprehensible humanitarian education.

      We can get energy at nuclear power plants and hydroelectric power plants, but hydrocarbons are not endless in the world. Sooner or later it will end, and the fewer of them there will be in the world, the higher the price. And filling your cars with gasoline at an oil price of $ 500 is a toad to suffocate, even if the cost of oil does not increase during production. winked
      1. -1
        11 January 2023 19: 41
        Quote: BlackMokona
        hydrocarbons they are not endless in the world.

        There are exactly as many of them as there is oxygen in the atmosphere, the only question is the cost of production. And for cars, ertsatsbenzene from coal and hydrogen, produced with the help of electricity from nuclear power plants, is simply more convenient to use.
    2. +2
      11 January 2023 07: 52
      Well, you forgot about our native "Moskvich" and other now XNUMX% Chinese screwdriver production of Chinese buckets! Basta friends, drove normal cars for normal money and waking up....... Yes
      1. +4
        11 January 2023 08: 39
        Quote: Alien From
        production of Chinese buckets! Basta friends, drove normal cars for normal money and waking up

        Uh ... Do you define "bucket" as all non-western-made cars or only Chinese ones?
        1. +2
          11 January 2023 09: 33
          Nonmal is when the most expensive UAZ patriot cost 1500 rubles, and not 3500 as it is now, and even without elementary security systems. This applies to all cars, the Chinese also have good models. It's about PRICE hi
          1. 0
            11 January 2023 09: 56
            Quote: Alien From
            Nonmal is when the most expensive UAZ patriot cost 1500 rubles, and not 3500 as it is now ... It's about the PRICE

            You have some strange criteria ... Considering that absolutely the entire auto industry, and not exclusively the Russian one, has risen in price, you might think that there are no normal cars left for you - everyone has moved into the category of "buckets". So that no one is offended, so to speak.
            I even agree that such a point of view is acceptable and, if you think about it, justified, but ... But it will take a little time, you will get used to the new price tags and you will have to use more constant criteria for determining "buckets" ... drinks
            1. +5
              11 January 2023 10: 36
              The salary remains the same, that's the trouble. I'm not whining, but people who have saved 1000 should now be saving another 1000 for the same thing or even worse. Yes, and half of the models inaccessible and without a guarantee. It's a shame, but you're right, we'll break through drinks
              1. +1
                13 January 2023 06: 35
                The main thing is that this breakthrough should be up
      2. Aag
        +3
        11 January 2023 18: 38
        A plot from TV news (with piitit and admiration): ... an electric car was designed based on the legendary "loaf" ... "Now we see how a battery cover is made on unique equipment (a sheet bender !!!) ..."
        "... The expected price is 3 million rubles
        ... ".
        crying fool recourse am
        1. 0
          11 January 2023 19: 14
          There are no words, only one thing, UAZs even COLOR!!! they couldn’t normally, iiii-electric car laughing laughing laughing Lavrov's phrase
      3. +1
        12 January 2023 09: 12
        Right-handed cars began to appear. They took a step back. Buy Vesta for 2 million rubles or for the same money a 3-4 year old Prado, albeit with a right-hand drive
        1. Aag
          +1
          12 January 2023 18: 51
          Quote: kaufman
          Right-handed cars began to appear. They took a step back. Buy Vesta for 2 million rubles or for the same money a 3-4 year old Prado, albeit with a right-hand drive

          Appear?! Yes, this is the basis of the fleet of personal cars! (The 38th region, and some others, numerous ...). Yes, - the Chinese, the Koreans are crushing ... "Japanese" of the "local" assembly ..., yes, there are ...
          New, (or almost new,) ... For those who can change cars after two years of operation, this is quite an option.
          The next owner - most often - was "tolerant" (sorry - he worked in a car service, there are connections.).
          ... On the left handlebar, I forgot when I was driving (under the Union ..., in the Russian Federation on military equipment, ... when I helped my comrades with the "Europeians" ...
          "Sables", "Patriots" and others have their clients here ... At their price .... feel
          1. 0
            13 January 2023 06: 36
            No, in the Irkutsk region there are already more left-hand drive
        2. 0
          12 January 2023 19: 29
          Quote: kaufman
          Right-handed cars began to appear. They took a step back. Buy Vesta for 2 million rubles or for the same money a 3-4 year old Prado, albeit with a right-hand drive

          You can’t buy a Prado 4 tap for 2 lyamas. Except in the Far East ...
  6. +4
    11 January 2023 08: 13
    The current government is unlikely to do anything. They don’t know how and don’t want to. We have been degrading for 30 years. With the exception of some industries.
    1. 0
      12 January 2023 19: 38
      Quote: Million
      The current government is unlikely to do anything. They don’t know how and don’t want to. We have been degrading for 30 years. With the exception of some industries.

      And the next one won’t either .. And even if the communists come to power, even they can’t do anything. Because the devastation will be too big
  7. +8
    11 January 2023 08: 16
    Where do they live in the tropics? what electro in Russia?? what will they do in the winter? And where can I get energy for charging and how much will it cost? For a country, maybe 100 tons of cars are needed. it may be worth finding out who needs them and calculate what all this will result in!
    1. +5
      11 January 2023 08: 21
      Where do they live in the tropics?
      Nah, on another planet..
      Where can I get energy for charging and how much will it cost?
      Well, what are you .. in our country, every year, electricity is getting cheaper, we are nuclear power plants, like we bake pies, every year, then nuclear power plants .. smile
      1. -1
        11 January 2023 23: 08
        something according to this video We don't have a lot of pies either.
        1. 0
          12 January 2023 23: 15
          Of course, you didn’t count the number of those under construction in Russia, dozens built by us abroad and the capacity (the highest share of electricity generation)?
          1. 0
            27 January 2023 22: 28
            and how much is being built in Russia? the video above shows how much and who has, and how it correlates with a developed industry. and what do we care about those who are abroad? you can read an interesting story from the Novovoronezh nuclear power plant and which reactors are currently active.
    2. +4
      11 January 2023 09: 07
      What will it result in? Imagine everyone returning from work and plugging their cars into the network for recharging and going home and turning on everything that runs on electricity. The peak of consumption will be such that it is unlikely that today's network will pull out. And this is just one example.
      1. +3
        11 January 2023 12: 16
        Yes, no, charging stations are quite designed for such loads, and modern ones charge to the full in 15 minutes. And if you are talking about a home charging station, it is enough to set up auto-turn on of charging in the night tariff when there is no load on the network.
        1. 0
          27 January 2023 22: 32
          where are the charging stations talking about the existing generation, and the calculation of modern networks in cities to withstand such peak loads with such consumers
    3. +6
      11 January 2023 10: 27
      Quote: alekc75
      Where do they live in the tropics? what electro in Russia?? what will they do in the winter?

      Okay, winter. What will they do outside the cities? Well, for example, the townspeople will come to their dachas on Friday evening - and how they will put all the cars on charge. smile
      Not only are local networks not designed for such a load, but electricity is also supplied irregularly (Leningrad region, Karelian Isthmus, gardening 80 km from St. Petersburg - every week they turn off several times for 3-4 hours).
      1. +3
        11 January 2023 10: 41
        I love talking about electric cars, only those who have not had experience in operating them can drown for them. We have Russia, not Turkey!)))
        1. Aag
          +10
          11 January 2023 17: 24
          ,, ... Having discussed the prospects for Tesla in the garages, the men and I decided - If you take it, then only on mechanics, and diesel ... ". Yes (WITH).
      2. 0
        12 January 2023 19: 41
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Quote: alekc75
        Where do they live in the tropics? what electro in Russia?? what will they do in the winter?

        Okay, winter. What will they do outside the cities? Well, for example, the townspeople will come to their dachas on Friday evening - and how they will put all the cars on charge. smile
        Not only are local networks not designed for such a load, but electricity is also supplied irregularly (Leningrad region, Karelian Isthmus, gardening 80 km from St. Petersburg - every week they turn off several times for 3-4 hours).

        They will be bought only in cities with a population of over one million - as a pure wagon to work and back. All other options are not relevant ..
  8. +3
    11 January 2023 08: 27
    Well, if there are problems with lithium, then well, heel it! Let's switch to sodium and graphene! "A holy place is never empty for a long time!"
    1. 0
      11 January 2023 20: 36
      Probably still better to switch to pickles or lightly salted cucumbers. This does not require lithium, but only cucumbers and alcohol, or samzhene. It can be used both before and after. The main thing is all this with your own hands. Of course, cucumbers will have to be purchased in countries where summer is all year round. And for this we give them boots of different cuts and colors, let them run around in the jungle and scare the tigers. You can also sell tumblers, but inside the samzhene. The label should be cool - three stars, four stars, and preferably five stars, this tumbler will be the most expensive. For this tumbler they will give a bucket, a child, cucumbers. Equivalent exchange.
    2. 0
      27 January 2023 22: 34
      we, as always, will try to jump into the last car of the train, which is already derailing. easier to copy than risks with something new
  9. +1
    11 January 2023 08: 42
    It’s worth starting with the fact that the country ranks third in the world in terms of reserves of this valuable metal.

    "According to the US Geological Survey (USGS), the largest predicted lithium resources in the world as of last year were in Bolivia, where they were estimated at 21 million tons, Argentina (19 million tons), Chile (9,8 million tons), the United States (9,1 million tons), Australia (7,3 million tons) and China (5,1 million tons). The service estimates the predicted volumes of lithium reserves in Russia at 1 million tons.
    Here it is possible to "evaporate" up to 6 thousand tons of raw materials, which almost covers Russia's annual demand at the present time.

    "Of the total output of lithium from imported raw materials (approximately 2000 tons), 400-700 tons are consumed directly in Russia, the remaining 1300-1600 tons are exported ... Batteries, glass, ceramics, lubricants, aluminum-lithium alloys are produced" ."
  10. +6
    11 January 2023 09: 01
    "Concepts for the development of production and use of electric road transport in the Russian Federation for the period up to 2030".
    For starters, this crazy piece of paper, adopted to please the European liberal green beings, should be quietly removed. The introduction of this crazy nonsense in Russia is possible only under pressure from the authorities, who are furiously striving to destroy our economy as much as possible. Personally, I am amazed and saddened that this nonsense, it turns out, has not yet been canceled!
    Well, everything is correct about lithium deposits. It should, of course, be revived. Moreover, their "unprofitability" is clearly drawn) At one time, it suddenly turned out to be "unprofitable" to produce a tool! As a result, all production chains of tool alloys were promptly destroyed. It's kind of unprofitable, yeah) With lithium, it's obviously the same story.
    Another thing is that our "friends" took care of the destruction of industries that make equipment for mines. And, of course, there are no more engineers who once developed this equipment, provided production, installed it ... Now the ore industry is Western equipment, assembled by Western specialists, serviced by them, and our plowmen who are "still digging up."
    Yes, it takes time to revive) And even more so people. They don't exist at all...
  11. +1
    11 January 2023 09: 18
    Idiots and pests rule Russia, so there is nothing to be surprised
    1. -1
      12 January 2023 09: 18
      It is not necessary to blame everything on the rulers. We can talk about what kind of people and government they are worthy of. And the people themselves are not particularly eager. How many types of rulers have changed in the last 100 years? And we are on the way to progress. With the exception of some gaps - Cosmos, Atom under the USSR, and everything else, at best, we are catching up
    2. 0
      12 January 2023 19: 51
      Quote: Ryaruav
      Idiots and pests rule Russia, so there is nothing to be surprised

      And nothing new...
      They began to build the Dead Road - they abandoned it. That is, either under Stalin or under Khrushchev - someone lied about its need / not need.
      Either with one pest or with another.
      I won’t be surprised if these are the same people - they licked the ass of the next leader and did their own tricks
  12. +6
    11 January 2023 10: 03
    I wonder who seized the Zavitinskoye field, that production has become unprofitable? Can he compensate for the loss? Chubais seems to be already frolicking in England. In short, there is no one to ask.
  13. +4
    11 January 2023 13: 37
    Well, let's finally get there. Actually, there is a lithium hunger all over the world.
  14. -2
    11 January 2023 16: 16
    Quote: Blacksmith 55
    Everyone knows that on frosty days, the efficiency of any battery drops significantly. In addition, energy is needed to heat the car. So will it be profitable for Russians to buy such an electric car, especially where winters are long and cold?

    Everyone knows that Norway is located at a latitude much greater than Russia, but has a fleet of electric vehicles of 25%. This is the largest number in the world...
    1. +1
      11 January 2023 16: 54
      It is very warm there due to the Gulf Stream, and, well, horse duties on cars with internal combustion engines. But in terms of fear of frost, I’ll probably agree that there are a lot of electric trains in Siberia, and they complain mainly about the lack of infrastructure for them, but in terms of operation it turns out cheaper, since you don’t have to spend money on consumables familiar to internal combustion engines, and electricity is often cheaper .
      1. -1
        11 January 2023 22: 13
        Probably, everyone will be pleased when, due to EM, energy will rise in price by 4 times.
    2. +5
      11 January 2023 17: 50
      -Tell the teacher, how huge is this Great Norway?!
      -But so much: "... Area 385 207 km²
      Population5 425 270 people (January 1, 2022) ... "! Less than Moscow, however ....
      -What about the length of the roads?
      -In Norway -93000 km. In Russia, 1452 thousand km.
      1. 0
        12 January 2023 09: 21
        So what ? Do we have the vast majority of cars constantly driving from one end of the country to the other?? Of course not. The usual daily runs of citizens are quite comparable in Russia and Norway
  15. +1
    11 January 2023 16: 28
    Something tells me that we can extract minerals
    1. 0
      11 January 2023 16: 58
      It is possible to extract this ore, we really have heaps of this ore, the problem is that the concentration of lithium in our ore is extremely low, hence the high cost of production, which actually puts an end to development, since it will always be cheaper to buy ready-made from the Chinese.
      When lithium concentrate is actually mined in the salt lakes of South America for a penny, we will have to dig up this ore, transport it to the plant, process it there, store tailings, etc.
      1. +3
        11 January 2023 22: 12
        An end to development is put by sanctions and the suppression of maritime communications by the US Navy. They will not allow Russia and China to pump resources from South America until they themselves are destroyed.
        1. +1
          12 January 2023 19: 54
          Quote: meandr51
          An end to development is put by sanctions and the suppression of maritime communications by the US Navy. They will not allow Russia and China to pump resources from South America until they themselves are destroyed.

          And what will the extraction of lithium worth the price of gold give us?
  16. 0
    11 January 2023 16: 46
    The presence of large reserves of lithium in / in Ukraine looks very interesting now.
    Its production, even dated, can be done within the limits of the consumption of the Ministry of Defense. You never know suddenly again: "It has never happened before and here it is again!"
  17. kpd
    +4
    11 January 2023 17: 35
    It's time to master the recycling and recycling of lithium batteries - soon there will be a lot of this type of garbage in the world, so there will be a source of lithium.
    1. 0
      12 January 2023 19: 55
      Quote: kpd
      It's time to master the recycling and recycling of lithium batteries - soon there will be a lot of this type of garbage in the world, so there will be a source of lithium.

      Very dirty source and harmful
  18. +4
    11 January 2023 19: 34
    We, in Transbaikalia, in the village of Pervomaisky, had excellent mining of these rare earth metals (ores). Under the USSR, the village was closed, had its own thermal power plant, water intake, etc. But with the advent of perestroika, all the equipment from the huge complex was cut into metal and sold, although he was listed as being on conservation .. The bourgeoisie squandered the national property, and now ordinary people are biting their elbows .. Some kind of kabzdets .. Stalin at the present time, oh, how not enough ..
    1. 0
      12 January 2023 20: 02
      Quote: NeRTT
      Under the USSR, the village was closed, had its own thermal power plant, water intake, etc.

      Are there people who want to live there now? Then the people held on to the loot and the luxurious supply. Now, the shift is maximum. And high salaries will also affect the cost ...
      Under Stalin, it was possible to ignore the cost, now it won’t work out like that
  19. 0
    11 January 2023 19: 38
    Yes, Russia does not need electric cars and electric buses. This is a business for glamorous liberals. If only in the mines to work. But you need batteries...
    1. +2
      11 January 2023 23: 16
      Yes, yes, we sawed out trams in our city, and now they are dreaming about them. the efficiency of electric transport in its recovery, even hybrids, but the braking energy can be used for acceleration, it is not profitable for us to stimulate energy efficiency, we will consume more, we will sell more - that's the whole logic
  20. +2
    11 January 2023 22: 09
    Electric cars are a dead end. Their overall efficiency, taking into account energy production, is lower than gasoline ones. The price is higher, battery disposal is an environmental problem. They will cause a rise in the price of energy with all the consequences.
    1. 0
      12 January 2023 15: 32
      Specifically for our climate, electric vehicles are still more relevant, since in our cities gas-fired thermal power plants also provide warm water for central heating, taking into account this, the processing of gas into electricity is more efficient than oil processing.
  21. +2
    11 January 2023 22: 13
    In five years, we will return to the level of the USSR of the 80s. With the development of the situation that now the sanctions will very quickly make themselves felt, and our patriots among the leaders of the fall will quickly forgive everything to everyone and rush into a hickey kissing "partners" from the EU and NATO.
  22. +3
    11 January 2023 22: 54
    Without the nationalization of the most important strategic industries, we have no future.
  23. +2
    11 January 2023 23: 32
    Nonsense for sure! With one of the world's largest oil and gas industries, Russia lacks rare earth metals. Associated waters after oil refining are pumped back into the reservoirs without extracting the entire range of rare earth materials. Nobody seems to need the money. Extraction technologies have long been developed with varying levels of profitability. Who
    and what prevents the technology from being finalized to an acceptable level of profitability is not clear. Apparently, Russia and the Russians are simply shying away from becoming the world leaders in the extraction of rare earth materials lying literally under their feet and, moreover, returned back to the ground, due to an unwillingness to make more money. By extracting associated rare earth materials, oil companies will poison groundwater less and this is also a positive thing. Maybe the state, in order to stimulate the extraction of rare earth materials, should impose restrictions on the level of content of rare earth metals in the waters injected into the reservoirs, or solutions, to maintain pressure.
  24. fiv
    +2
    12 January 2023 07: 48
    "The nuclear industry is vital to lithium as a coolant in reactors" - impressive nonsense! (coolant - water, in BN - sodium, the military had lead with bismuth). "the radioactive isotope of hydrogen tritium, which, in turn, used as a screening agent to search for thermal neutrons"- number two! Well, it happens that I looked in the wrong place, wrote off in the wrong place. Further, the development of electric transport will require not only lithium, but no less, and maybe even more copper and aluminum. Since all these batteries need to be CHARGED, the number of consumers will increase , their capacities will increase and it will be necessary to shift the power grids throughout the country, install new, more powerful transformers, build new substations, etc. That is, it is not enough to develop the production of lithium. and further.
  25. 0
    12 January 2023 08: 01
    The technological sovereignty and security of the country is not a thoughtless copying of world achievements, but, above all, its own characteristics and interests. Electric vehicles with disposal or extinguishing of batteries in case of an accident, this is a worse disaster than a gasoline engine, and given the frosts of -40, how will firefighters immerse a burning car in a bath of water and ensure its constant readiness?
    Most likely, in Russia, electric vehicles are not much needed, but the development of internal combustion engines is much more relevant.
    Russia has already harmed itself by depriving itself of the opportunity to use freon, maybe it's time to start developing your own country?
  26. +2
    12 January 2023 08: 22
    The article is illiterate, after such pearls: - "to obtain a radioactive hydrogen isotope of tritium, which, in turn, is used as a screening agent to search for thermal neutrons" could not be read. And this is not to mention the plans to produce 25 thousand electric vehicles at the price of an aircraft for Russians.
  27. +1
    12 January 2023 09: 40
    A naive question is why they are going to bring lithium from Bolivia, and not from Transbaikalia. Well, where did you see a "defective manager" who will exchange a business trip to sultry Latin American women for a business trip to the Trans-Baikal wilderness?
  28. +4
    12 January 2023 12: 11
    Only the methods of Joseph Vissarionovich and Lavrenty Pavlovich will help in resolving this issue.
    A responsible official is appointed. The Ministry of Finance is instructed to finance lithium production based on the costs incurred (as our nuclear project was financed after the Great Patriotic War). The official is paid a high salary. There will be a result - they will award the Golden Star of the Hero of Labor. Well, if there is no result, then excuse me, welcome to the execution.
  29. +1
    12 January 2023 12: 21
    Building in Kaliningrad is a game. A DRY climate is required for production. Especially strange against the backdrop of the closure of the battery plant in Saratov. Time of half-educated and swindlers.
  30. 0
    12 January 2023 13: 19
    So in Russia there is no lithium or there is no desire to extract their own raw materials by uncles bourgeois of their own spill?
    And as for electric cars, this is a massive world-wide nonsense from dropouts a la Greta Thunberg, who are sure that electricity is taken from the outlet.
    Calculate the cost of the full cycle of battery production from the extraction of raw materials and ending with the disposal of environmentally harmful and toxic residues and "shine".
    Public electric transport is applicable only in megacities to reduce the level of exhaust gases, but at the same time its profitability is several times lower than the traditional one.
  31. +4
    12 January 2023 14: 08
    Investing in Bolivia is almost as stupid as the Nord Streams. As soon as Russia invests its money beyond its geopolitical borders, the Americans will immediately cross out these investments with one stroke of the pen. Invest in your own territories. It is more reliable and ultimately cheaper than any other XNUMX% risky event.
  32. 0
    12 January 2023 14: 10
    Yes, in general, there is another way. Accelerate the development and introduction of sodium-ion batteries. But for this you need - what? That's right, branch institutes. Or powerful research and development centers in production. But the first ones screwed up in the 90s, and the second ... the second can only saw and can.
  33. 0
    12 January 2023 17: 11
    THEY do not want to understand - if there is no existing STATE, then all will be taken away by one or the other. The need is already being determined. Helping the motherland is a sacred thing.
  34. 0
    12 January 2023 17: 22
    We don't want to work, but we want a lot of money. That doesn't happen. Well, if only to steal. But our officials do not want to work, but they are the first to steal. So everything is as always with us.
  35. DO
    0
    12 January 2023 20: 57
    by 2030, every tenth vehicle produced in the country will not have an internal combustion engine - its place will be taken by an electric motor and a lithium-ion traction battery

    Here it is expedient to speak only about urban electric transport.
    First of all, to produce more good old trolleybuses, and where the rails have not yet been dismantled, trams. It is possible to gradually transfer city deliveries such as gazelles and heels to batteries.
    For something more, namely the majority of battery-powered cars, will require a radical restructuring of the entire electric power infrastructure of the country - a significant increase in electricity production, the construction of new powerful transmission lines and substations, a network of charging stations. Plus new car battery recycling plants.
    In today's conditions of huge problems with Russian critical industries caused by Russia's orientation to the West with the subsequent sanctions strike by the West, the idea of ​​a general replacement of internal combustion engines with batteries does not contribute to Russia's survival, rather the opposite.
  36. 0
    12 January 2023 22: 22
    Collect lithium waste around the world and get secondary lithium? All sorts of used batteries. Are our nuclear scientists capable of pulling off such a project?
    1. DO
      0
      13 January 2023 00: 58
      also a doctor, even if our specialists are able to organize the extraction of lithium from old batteries, under the conditions of sanctions, who will let us collect these batteries around the world in profitable volumes?
  37. 0
    12 January 2023 22: 56
    Gentlemen, comrades, citizens, sink to the ground. There is no industry in the Russian Federation, the Russian Federation does not produce lithium batteries on a large scale. In the year of the Russian Federation, less than 1000 tons of pure lithium are consumed for domestic needs. These hucksters from the authorities are creating a project, somewhere out there to shift the money of Russian taxpayers into the pockets of the oligarchs. All electric vehicles are battery powered, this is fashion. Fashion comes and goes, and electric cars will also go into oblivion. The first electric cars appeared in the 1890s. Why humanity does not use electric cars. There is no source of energy. No battery. Electricity is in short supply in all countries of the world, including the Russian Federation. The most accessible, cheap, environmentally friendly type of energy production is from GAS. Natural gas vehicles are the real future. There is a lot of gas in the Russian Federation and it is not expensive, one liter of gas for a car costs 6-8 rubles. The hucksters are in power, the comprador bourgeoisie does not allow the development of gas motor fuel and mass production of cars with installed equipment.
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      15 January 2023 13: 30
      Gas is undoubtedly good in terms of price, the problem is that few people want to ride with a cylinder of 200 atmospheres, so the gas -> electricity chain looks preferable.
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  39. 0
    17 January 2023 16: 27
    Lithium is not a substitute for pharmaceuticals and the nuclear industry, but it is possible to eliminate lithium for energy and batteries. Perhaps the author does not know, but there are promising developments of batteries based on quaternary ammonium compounds in the form of ionic liquids. These batteries contain aluminum instead of the flammable lithium. Article for study.

    https://www.sigmaaldrich.com/RU/en/technical-documents/technical-article/materials-science-and-engineering/batteries-supercapacitors-and-fuel-cells/ionic-liquids-based-electrolytes-for-rechargeable-batteries


    Or this article.

    https://doi.org/10.1039/C8ME00103K


    The article can be downloaded using the Skyhub service.

    Currently, this topic is being actively studied in the United States and China. I think Russia should also develop this promising area. But we know that until the thunder strikes, no one will move.
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      17 January 2023 21: 10
      In addition to lithium, a sodium-ion battery is known that is similar to a lithium-ion battery in terms of characteristics (sodium is obtained from table salt). The big advantage of sodium batteries is safety. As they say, "the difficulty in replacing lithium with sodium was due to the difference in the size of sodium cations Na + and lithium Li + - the larger diameter of the former made it difficult to create separators." , but it seems now somehow decided
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    18 January 2023 10: 17
    This is cheaper than extracting from the solid minerals of the Murmansk region, but also very costly. - How shoud I understand this?
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    18 January 2023 18: 09
    I had a strong opinion that the author is a "competent alarmist". In reality, he does not even know where, what construction sites are laid, at what stage they are. Disperses the "thought" that no one moves except him ...
    Recently I heard a similar alarmist on radio "Sputnik", who said that soon all the pasta factories would stop, because. parts are running out.
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    19 January 2023 10: 12
    One thing is not clear - why the heck do we need electric cars?
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    20 January 2023 13: 32
    Isn't it easier for Russia to become the world leader in the recycling of spent lithium batteries, as it has already happened with nuclear waste, from which only we have learned not only to extract a lot of interesting things, but also to earn money on the very fact of their acceptance?