In the American press: Warsaw can transfer its German-made Leopard tanks to Kyiv

Warsaw can transfer to Kyiv its Tanks Leopard 2 made in Germany. Earlier, the Ukrainian authorities have repeatedly expressed their desire to equip their army with such equipment.

This was reported in the American newspaper Wall Street Journal, whose journalists refer to a high-ranking Polish diplomat.

His words are confirmed by an official from the Czech Republic, who is related to the supply of weapons to Kyiv.

They are really considering providing anything to help Ukraine.

- said the Czech official.

But the Poles can transfer German-made tanks to Ukraine only with the consent of the German authorities.

The director of the Polish Institute of International Relations Slawomir Debsky has no doubts that the Leopards will still be sent by Warsaw to Ukraine. According to him, it is only a matter of time. The expert believes that the timing of the delivery of Leopard tanks to Kyiv depends only on when the armored vehicles ordered by Warsaw in the United States and South Korea arrive in Poland.

The American press notes that Washington and its allies highly appreciate the potential of the weapons planned to be delivered to Ukraine. In their opinion, the equipment received by the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be able to provide it with an advantage over the Russian army.

At the moment, the Polish Army is armed with more than 240 Leopard 2 tanks, which are planned to be replaced with others. According to the calculations of journalists from the United States, if the Armed Forces of Ukraine receive them, they will be able to form two new tank brigades on their basis.

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[Victor_B]

The director of the Polish Institute of International Relations Slawomir Debsky has no doubts that the Leopards will still be sent by Warsaw to Ukraine. According to him, it is only a matter of time. The expert believes that the timing of the delivery of Leopard tanks to Kyiv depends only on when the armored vehicles ordered by Warsaw in the United States and South Korea arrive in Poland.

In the end, the Poles will jump that they will again become the cause of the third world ...
And they don’t feel sorry for Warsaw ...
Decision center, however...
In which case, it will lie down first of all ...

[Luka Nord]

Again, German tanks will iron Ukraine ..very symbolic! The West will never be our ally, much less a friend.
Now I hope this is clear even to the most terry liber.
It is necessary to cut the border with Poland, otherwise Russia will have a very difficult time .. Old Man is the easiest way for you to do this !!

[Pulkovo1942]

We need to cut the border with Poland

Yep, prick. The border bridges have been blown up, the border has been mined, defensive structures have been prepared, and the therodefence has been drawn up. The flag is in your hands.

[Luka Nord]

Quote: Pulkovo1942

Yep, prick.

There is some truth in every joke..!

Quote: Pulkovo1942

The flag is in your hands.

Better machine gun "Maxim" and a cart

[fruc]

The stakes are going up. In the USA, Germany, Finland and Poland, etc., they started talking about the transfer of Leopards, the next stage will be aircraft, and then it will come to missile systems. It can be seen that things are not so good in ukroreikh.

[HAM]

The Americans are actively getting rid of competitors (they don’t want to supply their Abramovichs), because they are sure that everything sent will still be burned ...

[2112vda]

The fool is getting richer in thought. After all, tanks still need to be serviced and repaired, but MTU diesels are not the easiest to maintain. I had to deal with them a little, Ukrainian tankers will have to improve their skills. If the Poles hope that the Abrams with gas turbine engines will solve all their problems at once, well, let them try. The flag is in their hands, 3 feathers in the area of ​​the sciatic nerve and a fair wind, so that they do not go astray.

[Yves762]

As it were ..., in the vastness of Dill for a long time, any import has been operated with sufficient efficiency so as not to brush aside ...

[Negro]

Quote: 2112vda

If the Poles hope that the Abrams with gas turbine engines will solve all their problems at once, well, let them try.

Does the T-80 have some kind of fundamentally different gas turbine engine? By the way, Europack will get into Abram if there is such a decision.

[Mihail0221]

The American press notes that Washington and its allies highly appreciate the potential of the weapons planned to be delivered to Ukraine. In their opinion, the equipment received by the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be able to provide it with an advantage over the Russian army.

What's the advantage???? And where is the armored equipment that was before the war? That's right, it burned down ... Several thousand units. And where is the Soviet equipment from the ATS countries? It's smoking in the fields...
So these deliveries are certainly very unpleasant and will add problems to our troops, but the fate of this equipment will be similar and there will be no turning point in favor of the Ukrainians.

[donavi49]

1) You write, so it seems that the fighting is already going on in the foothills of the Carpathians. If the tanks had burned down, then the front would have rolled. What is not observed. There are quite a few T-64Bs and T-72s in the video. 80s are rare.
2) Tanks tend to knock out a resource. Repair and restoration under current conditions is slower and worse in quality and throughput.
3) There are still quite a few T-72s in the west. For this year, they will definitely not choose the volume. The Czech Republic will supply 120 modernized T-72s (90 purchased by the United States and 30 with money from other donors). Similar work is underway in Slovakia, Poland and Bulgaria, just without such publicity. Last year, Austin talked about 2000 Soviet-style tanks and combat vehicles that the US is stockpiling for delivery.
3a) No one will tell you how many lifting tanks are left - the total fund is 500 Germany, 120-170 Finland, 800 Czech Republic, 260 Slovakia, 280-340 Bulgaria. How many of them have been sawn, sold, dismantled to an unbearable state, but how much is really left to raise? And the lift factor (1 out of 2, 1 out of 3, 1 out of 4). This is about the legacy of the USSR.
3b) 230 Tvardy, 30 T-72M4 (the best Western serial modernization of the T-72 with the replacement of the MTO).
3c) There are non-NATO countries that are willing to sell. For example, Morocco already supplies parts and components:
"Morocco will provide military assistance to Ukraine for the first time"
4) Leopards and so on, this is rather a qualitative increase in assistance and the opening of opportunities to combine equipment with the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The T-24-25 will remain the main horse for the battles of 64-72.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: donavi49

There are still quite a few T-72s in the west. For this year, they will definitely not choose the volume. The Czech Republic will supply 120 modernized T-72s (90 purchased by the United States and 30 with money from other donors). Similar work is underway in Slovakia, Poland and Bulgaria, just without such publicity. Last year, Austin talked about 2000 Soviet-type tanks and combat vehicles that the United States is accumulating for subsequent delivery ..... Leopards and so on, this is more of a qualitative increase in assistance and the opening of opportunities to combine equipment from the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Everything is on fire, and this will burn. I believe, together with the Polish crews.

[Negro]

Quote: donavi49

800 Czech Republic

Why are there so many?

Quote: donavi49

There are non-NATO countries that are ready to sell

)))
They are asking countries where there is Soviet and Western equipment at the same time, that is, Morocco and Kuwait, this is a total of 300 vehicles. Of course, there is India, but I would not count on it. Rather, Kazakhstan will start supplying tanks to Ukraine))

Quote: donavi49

Leopards and so on, this is rather a qualitative increase in assistance and the opening of opportunities to combine equipment with the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

And a qualitative increase, and a hint that neither in 2024 nor in 2030 the technique will end.

Quote: donavi49

The T-24-25 will remain the main horse for the battles of 64-72.

Along the way, there is a transition from the T-64 to the T-72 - the T-72 can be serviced in the ATS countries, but the T-64 is now not particularly repairable in Kharkov. It is possible that Western modernization of the T-72 will appear. Electronics, MTO on commercial components (now 800 l / s is not a problem at all), combat module, blazer.

[Yaro Polk]

and what .. these tanks are immortal .. their RPG 7 does not take with cumulative ammunition?)

[Negro]

Quote: Yaro Polk

does not take their RPG 7 with cumulative ammunition?)

Depends on what kind of protection.

[belovvladimir]

And now we need to get ready for a more serious batch, since the puppets of Fashington decided to saturate the Ukroreich with heavy weapons to defeat Russia, and you have gender tolerance, kill everyone, and without mercy, Russian blood is not enough for you, get the destruction of your countries!

And the zaluzhnaya state should have been drowned to hell for a long time, to wipe the discovery of Columbus from the face of the earth! Or us or us! Long live the strait to them. Stalin!

[Leader_Barmaleev]

Warsaw may transfer its Leopard 2 tanks made in Germany to Kyiv

It will be just a wonderful high-quality scrap metal. After the war, it will be possible to make all sorts of shovels, knives, saws and chisels, pots and pans from it. And Matvienko's dream will come true - the production of nails will be established in Russia. So let them send.

[alexey_444]

Well, damn lope, you can blah blah blah, well, finally put it on, the Americans want to bury the only competitor in Europe with the Abrams with our hands, more precisely 152mm, pictures with torn turrets from RPGs in Turkey have long been forgotten and need to be refreshed. Some kind of kindergarten, some kind of indecisive buggers.

[voyaka uh]

"torn off towers from RPGs" //
----
Not from RPGs, of course, but from long-range ATGMs.
When the Turks put their tanks motionless on the tops of the hills, like observation posts.

[Askold65]

The command of the Northern Military District (or whoever they have) needs to scratch their turnips now, how to resist NATO armored vehicles, which will be supplied by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. For example, you can take the experience of the German industry during WWII. On the basis of obsolete tanks, create something like "Sturmgeshütz", installing powerful guns of the 2A82 type, or even 152-mm 2A83 on them. The German "Jagdpanthers" from ambush also caused a lot of problems for our tankers. Fortunately, the Fritz did not have time to rivet them a lot. Yes, and we had good anti-tank SU-100. It is a pity that they appeared too late in the troops.
Such platforms are much easier and faster to manufacture than tanks. They have a lower silhouette and ease of use for the crew in a more spacious armored wheelhouse. I still don’t understand why we didn’t take the path of installing towed howitzer barrels in the same way for their greater mobility and stability in counter-battery combat.

[Yves762]

In the current conditions, the emphasis on mining (densely, completely, and in every way) is perhaps more promising ...

[Askold65]

In the current conditions, the emphasis on mining (densely, completely, and in every way) is perhaps more promising ..

Mining is a retreat into a deaf defense. On the Kursk Bulge, ours built a defense line for several months with minefields and other engineering. The Germans broke through it on the southern face of the arc in 17 (in words: seventeen) hours. And only the introduction of reserves in the form of two reserve armies saved the situation from defeat.

[multicam]

What Germany ended up with - everyone knows. Neither massive tank destroyers nor ambush tactics helped. The allies had too much of something - from soldiers to the same tanks. Now the situation is repeating itself - Russia alone against dozens of countries. And this despite the fact that in Germany the authorities, the elite, the people were united in their desire to fight and win. In the current situation, to win, when the grain deal, good will, the London Non-Ferrous Metals Exchange are the goals of the NWO no less than denazification and demilitarization ... well, I don’t even know.

[Askold65]

Quote from multicam

What Germany ended up with - everyone knows. Neither massive tank destroyers nor ambush tactics helped.

Germany was not able to create tanks in large quantities, losing in this to the pure USSR for various reasons: the complexity of the design of vehicles, the lack of alloying additives, and for other economic reasons. They fought well. Our Veterans will not let you lie.
Germany, from the very beginning, was losing the war with the USSR for the same reason --- not the desire to mobilize the economy ("... and so we can handle the blitzkrieg method") and the German troops reached Moscow with almost the same Wehrmacht personnel that they "started" from the border. When Hitler finally decided to transfer German industry to a military footing, time had already been lost. Our "darkest" decided to follow the same rake. It only aggravates the situation with its humanitarian "truces" and unwillingness to endure the Ukrainian infrastructure.

[Negro]

Quote: Askold65

Germany was unable to create tanks in large quantities, losing in this to the pure USSR

Just with the USSR there was approximately parity. But the United States individually and England individually made as many BTTs in pieces as the USSR and the Reich combined. The British are mostly light, but the Americans are any.

Quote: Askold65

unwillingness to endure the Ukrainian infrastructure.

How are you going to take it out?

[Oleg Ogorod]

Let's start with the fact that putting another gun into the tank is sooooo difficult, especially for which it was not designed at all.
The 82nd pipe is designed for fittings and its automation. The 88-pipe is generally a coalition howitzer.
And the saddest thing is that these pipes are not produced in our country. There were prototypes, well, or experimental series.
With the usual 46 and 64, the industry has enough problems, they are produced on the old equipment of factories brought to bankruptcy.
And the guns that shoot quickly exhaust their resource.
Ukrainians do not worry about this, NATO is so NATO, they are given for free in large volumes.
And we need to produce ourselves, pay money for it. Now it is not 41-45 years, and the system is different, the form of ownership is different, and the industry is not mobilized. And the current officials with the oligarchs are not the red directors. And touching them now will not work as in 37-41.

[Askold65]

Quote: Oleg Ogorod

Let's start with the fact that putting another gun into the tank is sooooo difficult, especially for which it was not designed at all.
The 82nd pipe is designed for fittings and its automation. The 88-pipe is generally a coalition howitzer.

You inattentively read my post --- not into the tank, but onto the platform in the wheelhouse. Ours did this in WWII, when they removed the turret from captured German Pz-III tanks and welded an armored tube with a gun of the T-34 tank in its place. And on the chassis of the T-34 tank itself, a cabin was installed with a 100-mm cannon, developed on the basis of the ship's artillery system. The same with the "Jagdpanther" with a cannon for the "King Tiger". It is difficult, if not impossible, to shove another weapon into the turret of a finished tank. It's much easier to do this with a cut.

Quote: Oleg Ogorod

And the saddest thing is that these pipes are not produced in our country. There were prototypes, well, or experimental series.

But I agree with this. But sitting and sprinkling ashes on your head is also not an option. We need to resolve this as quickly as possible.

Quote: Oleg Ogorod

Ukrainians do not worry about this, NATO is so NATO, they are given for free in large volumes.

Yes, not so big yet. With barrels for Soviet tanks, their situation is even worse.

[Hiller]

Questions to ANYWHERE. How long? What is SVO today? No brainer that this is a real war against us to annihilate. Today - by the hands of the Salobanderites under the leadership of mattress-makers and small Britons.
And tomorrow?
It's time to get ahead of the curve! Destruction of satellite constellations, obstruction of supplies and their logistics routes, final destruction of the 404 power system, attacks on executive decision-making centers. We will not do it - losses and defeat !!! Stop imitating peacekeeping and fighting with white gloves. And no "Christian mercy" - there are no Christians there! There are only demons!!!

[Hiller]

What are the minusers of the Saloreikhovtsy, twisting? And this is good! Power is in the truth.!

[Irek]

So many years have passed, they have not wised up a bit, they only sent earlier ...

[alexander 66]

This is very bad, no need to engage in hat-taking. Given the supply of new armored vehicles, quite serious armored fists will be formed. Ukrainians are probably already being trained for this technique, so it will be very unpleasant. And it seems that 25 mm shells with a uranium core will be delivered to Bradley.

[MonsterTank]

South Korea is riveting its tanks at a Stakhanovite pace, so if supplies depend only on the supply of K2 to Poland, then leopards in Ukraine are a matter of the not distant future

[Negro]

Quote: MonsterTank

South Korea is riveting its tanks at a Stakhanovite pace, so if supplies depend only on the supply of K2 to Poland, then leopards in Ukraine are a matter of the not distant future

Not far away, but a matter of years, not months. K2 is made about a tank a week, so it's not easy either, even if they speed up. Abrams, by the way, raise many times faster.

[Oleg Ogorod]

I recently read the headline here, the lancet did not reach the tank, got stuck in a net stretched over the tank ...

[Nikolaevich I]

If Poland hands over "leopards" to the ukrovermacht, then this means an act of military aggression (military attack) against Russia, which gives Russia legal right inflict a retaliatory military strike on Poland!

[pariarg]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

If Poland hands over "leopards" to the ukrovermacht, then this means an act of military aggression (military attack) against Russia, which gives Russia legal right inflict a retaliatory military strike on Poland!

Poland is already transferring a huge amount of weapons to Ukraine

[dump22]

But what, the transfer of T-72 tanks from Poland to Ukraine earlier is something fundamentally different?
Are German tanks something special, fundamentally different from ours?

https://rg.ru/2022/05/01/polsha-peredala-ukraine-oruzhie-sovetskogo-proizvodstva.html

Poland handed over 232 T-72 tanks and Soviet-designed rocket launchers to Ukraine

Warsaw also sent man-portable air defense systems (MANPADS), mobile artillery, Soviet-designed rocket launchers, as well as Warmate drones - a less advanced version of the American Switchblade, which have an explosive charge in the bow in the framework. These weapons, Western media reported, were sent as part of a $1,6 billion military package to Kyiv.

[1razvgod]

Have you already wiped yourself with red lines about the supply of weapons, now a legal right? A strike on Poland is a war with NATO directly and without nuclear weapons, this is a one-way war, will you stand on the gate?

[Negro]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

the legal right to retaliate against Poland with a military strike!

)))
Take a chance.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Negro

Quote: Nikolaevich I

the legal right to retaliate against Poland with a military strike!

)))
Take a chance.

Take a risk, or don't take a risk, the question is not worth it. It all depends on the degree of involvement of Warsaw in the current conflict. So far, she is participating unofficially, although it is no secret to anyone that representatives of the Polish armed forces are present in Ukraine in the form of special forces and "volunteers". Mercenary in Poland is punishable by criminal liability, but at the same time, those citizens who officially applied for participation in the conflict through the Ministry of Defense are not considered mercenaries. It turns out that the Polish mercenaries, legally fighting in Ukraine, received an official license from the Polish authorities to kill the Russian-speaking population of Ukraine and Russian military personnel acting as their protection, and therefore already give Russia a reason to strike on Polish territory. This blow will be, do not even doubt it, but it cannot be delivered simply as a blow of retribution, without some kind of logical conclusion. This strike will be associated with the loss of Warsaw control over some part of the territory. Probably, the strike will be associated with the subsequent establishment of Russian control over the Suwalki corridor. Just like that, throwing rockets at every Polish sneeze is not interesting for us either, but we need a sufficient reason to use them. For this reason, Poland is still scraping as best it can. Russia is in no hurry and, upon reaching the limit of expectation, it will certainly ship everything and with interest. We do not want it, but we are forced to it.

[Negro]

Quote: Nyrobsky

it is no secret to anyone that representatives of the Polish armed forces are present in Ukraine in the form of special forces and "volunteers".

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It's not a secret, huh. A British general was caught near Azovstal (they didn’t catch him, he escaped through the sewers), near Kharkov NATO threw detachments of blacks into battle (they barely escaped from the blacks), now the Polish MTR means. The whole world goes on safari.

Quote: Nyrobsky

received an official license from the Polish authorities to kill the Russian-speaking population of Ukraine and Russian military personnel acting as their protection

You can go with any hunting license, even for a bird.

Quote: Nyrobsky

It is likely that the strike will be associated with the subsequent establishment of Russian control over the Suwalki corridor

Yes, yes, the Suwalki corridor was still missing.

Quote: Nyrobsky

We do not want it, but we are forced to it.

)))
People who know exactly what the Russian army is like and continue to joke old jokes are very amusing.
Well, Suwalki is so Suwalki.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Negro

now Polish MTR means. The whole world goes on safari.

Warsaw officially recognizes the presence of a cemetery with 1700 Poles who died in Ukraine (this is a month ago). Did the wind blow?

Quote: Negro

Yes, yes, the Suwalki corridor was still missing.

Doubt? Oh well. Once Banderlogs also doubted that Russia would return Crimea, then they doubted that they would build a Crimean bridge, then they doubted that Russia would break through a land corridor through the Kherson region to Crimea. This wouldn't have happened if the dill hadn't pulled the bear's whiskers. And so we also really need a land corridor to Kaliningrad, but so far we have not had a sufficient reason to do this. So the Poles are trying to make our trains go directly to Kaliningrad.

Quote: Negro

People who know exactly what the Russian army is like and continue to joke old jokes are very amusing.

That's it. So far, it can be unequivocally fixed that this army, with significantly fewer forces than the Banderlogs had, squeezed the Zaporozhye and Kherson regions from Ukraine, ruined the military-industrial complex enterprises and knocked out the power generating capacities of Ukraine by 50-60%. Let's see how things go when the mob .reserve. We'll talk there.

[Negro]

Quote: Nyrobsky

cemeteries with Poles who died in Ukraine in 1700 graves (this is a month ago). Did the wind blow?

I wouldn't call it wind. It's a margosha fart. You see, a graveyard is not something that can be "recognized". It either exists or, as in this case, it doesn't.

Quote: Nyrobsky

Doubt? Oh well. Once Banderlog also doubted that Russia would return Crimea

The difference between Poland and Ukraine is precisely that the Poles do NOT doubt who they are dealing with. For this, for 30 years, the same Germans were shoved by the same Germans as Russophobes who had gone, but it turned out that it was the Poles who were right in everything.

Quote: Nyrobsky

So the Poles are trying to make our trains go directly to Kaliningrad.

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Railway to Kaliningrad goes through Vilnius. There is no road through Suwalki, not even a car. And the capture by the forces of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation of the capital of a NATO country ... Just for such a case, Poland is making the strongest land army in Europe.

Quote: Nyrobsky

So far, it can be unambiguously recorded that this army, with significantly smaller forces than the Banderlogs had, squeezed the Zaporozhye and Kherson regions from Ukraine,

So far, it can be unambiguously recorded that the authorities in Mariupol, Melitopol and Kherson with Kakhovka acted on the side of the Russian Federation, disorganizing the resistance. The Russian Federation stumbled upon the Armed Forces of Ukraine only near Nikolaev and Zaporozhye. There is a lot to talk about at the future Kiev tribunal over the main war criminals.
And there were no "lesser forces" there, mobilizations began later. The personnel Ukrainian army is in the region of the same 200 thousand people who were allocated to the NVO. The quality of the mobilized is certainly better than in the case of the Russian Federation, but not too much - competent work with the military reserve in Ukraine was also not carried out. Brotherly peoples, alas.

Quote: Nyrobsky

ruined military-industrial complex enterprises

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Yes, there are many questions here both for "these 8 years" and for not "these" twenty. If the accursed NATO had not been harnessed, there would have been nothing to fight with.

Quote: Nyrobsky

knocked out the power generating capacities of Ukraine by 50-60%

Well, a third of these capacities are captured in the early days of the Zaporizhzhya NPP and the Energodar TPP, the rest are working more or less. During the period of the third (or whatever) "effective" stage of the NWO, strikes mainly hit distribution stations, from high-voltage power lines to low-voltage ones.

Quote: Nyrobsky

Let's see how things go when the mobile reserve comes into full effect.

)))
I have entered slowly. Yes, we are looking forward to it.

[SARANCHA1976]

You will be surprised, but in the Russian Federation mercenarism is punished the same .. and no, not anymore Prigozhin will not let you lie

[chingachguc]

Warsaw has already said that it cannot convey, no matter how much the American press would like to

[Negro]

Warsaw said that it would do it only after the Americans, to be blunt. But yes, Warsaw doesn't exactly have extra leopards. If, say, 200 Abramovs are delivered to her out of turn, then we can discuss it.