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In the British press: With the delivery of AMX-10RC wheeled tanks, France violates a “military taboo” that has persisted for several months

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In the British press: With the delivery of AMX-10RC wheeled tanks, France violates a “military taboo” that has persisted for several months

The West is analyzing new packages of military aid transferred to Ukraine. At the same time, the estimates often look rather strange.


Thus, the British edition of the Telegraph published an article stating that “France, following the decision of Emmanuel Macron, opens a new page of military assistance to Ukraine, transferring a batch of AMX-10RC armored vehicles to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.”

These are wheeled Tanks with a gun caliber of 105 mm. As of last year, there were about 250 such armored vehicles in the French arsenal. Moreover, France is the second country in the world in terms of the number of AMX-10RCs, despite the fact that it was in France that they were developed at the time. It happened in the late 1970s. In the first place in terms of the number of vehicles of this series (AMX-10) is Saudi Arabia, which has more than 360 units.

From the Telegraph:

The red line in terms of supplying Western-style armored vehicles to Ukraine has been crossed. A military taboo that had been in place for several months was broken. Moreover, it was violated by those from whom this was little expected - the French.

The statement of British journalists is somewhat strange in the sense that Western-made “shooting” armored vehicles have been transferred to Ukraine for a long time and systematically. For example, we are talking about the NATO self-propelled guns PzH-2000, which Germany supplied for the needs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And here there is no longer much difference, whether NATO countries supply self-propelled guns or wheeled tanks to Ukraine. It is quite clear that if the armed conflict drags on, they can supply Kyiv with anything, up to the same French, German and American tanks: Leclerc, Leopard and Abrams.

The supply of NATO-style equipment also indicates that the stocks of Soviet weapons, which have remained from previous years in the arsenal of individual Western countries - primarily the countries of the so-called former socialist camp, have exhausted themselves.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 7 January 2023 07: 39
    +9
    I don’t understand, but the transfer of tanks with a 105-mm NATO cannon by Slovenia, didn’t this “taboo” break?
    And now we should expect deliveries, mass deliveries of M60A3 and Leo-1A4 ... 6
    1. Murmur 55
      Murmur 55 7 January 2023 07: 46
      +9
      svp67 hi, the advantages of the Frenchman, if I’m not mistaken in speed and maneuverability, then either they are preparing the Armed Forces of Ukraine for breakthroughs in the manner of September, or they throw off which is not a pity.
      1. Maxim G
        Maxim G 7 January 2023 07: 49
        +5
        Not only this advantage. This armored car with a tank gun.
        Cheaper, maintainable, because essentially a car, the chassis resource is higher.

        And the most unpleasant thing is that this is a car with a past - its predecessors showed themselves well in Africa, for example, Panhard AML with a 90 mm cannon hit Soviet-made tanks.
        And there is someone to teach the Armed Forces of Ukraine this tactic.
        1. dmi.pris1
          dmi.pris1 7 January 2023 07: 58
          +5
          The control system there is quite modern. This is a very serious enemy on the battlefield.
          1. Maxim G
            Maxim G 7 January 2023 08: 10
            +3
            This is a car leaving for France - now a new Jaguar, and a massive one, with a 40 mm cannon, anti-tank systems, KAZ.
            At the same time, according to press reports, some shells for a cannon to destroy air targets.

            But that's not the point, remember a few months ago, when there was news - that mobile Ukrainian detachments with light armored vehicles, off-road vehicles bypassed, surrounded, and defeated.
            So this tactic was used in Africa, including in the Toyota war (Chad against Libya) - Chad was supported by France, there were Toyota SUVs supplied by France, ATGM Milan, and the predecessor Panhard AML with a 90 mm cannon.
            Together with information about the supply of American and German armored personnel carriers, such a picture emerges.
            1. bayard
              bayard 7 January 2023 10: 10
              0
              Quote: Maxim G
              mobile Ukrainian detachments with light armored vehicles, SUVs bypass, surround, inflict defeat.

              It was at the beginning of autumn and in the area where they had a fatally overwhelming superiority in the number of l / s (7-10 times), but in a wooded area, where small reconnaissance and sabotage groups in larger numbers had every chance of success. .. And were successful. For the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation by that time no longer had reserves.
              There is no such thing now and there never will be. As there is no longer a numerical superiority (multiple). Now the enemy fears and is already afraid of our offensive. For the mobilization has been carried out, the troops have been trained and combat coordination, received weapons and are now arriving at their deployment sites. And their number is seriously more than the declared 300 thousand. Yes, and the veterans of the spring-summer battles who had a rest after the rotation have already returned to duty.
              I think these wheeled tanks and well-armored infantry fighting vehicles will not reach the Donbass, but will remain to strengthen the border with Belarus and Kyiv, because there they expect trouble from us.
              Wheeled tanks do not need trailers for transfer on public roads and are quite suitable for defensive battles (mobile defense). And to attack in our fields in the Donbass ... this is nonsense.
              And we finally got frost - in the morning in Donetsk -14 degrees. And snow . So soon you can attack.
        2. Sebostyuan
          Sebostyuan 7 January 2023 08: 37
          +2
          All new equipment will be used to replenish the new 4 brigades.
          These will already be brigades with greatly increased capabilities for protection, search and destruction of targets.
          How can we answer? Putting a connection against them for the purpose of fighting iron against iron will most likely not be correct.
          Self-propelled ammunition for MLRS "Grad" with cumulative warheads, Cluster bombs with self-guided elements. ATGM based on the Lancet. Saturation of the troops with Krasnopol and target designation means for it.
          Quadcopters with a load capacity of several kg. capable of throwing grenades towards RPGs. This is with regard to the land units.
          Well, in general, without confident air supremacy, all this is bad luck with an unknown outcome.
          1. Maxim G
            Maxim G 7 January 2023 09: 03
            -1
            Helicopters with an onboard defense system and anti-tank systems, massively.
            Quote from Sebostyuan
            How can we answer?
        3. Eroma
          Eroma 7 January 2023 20: 31
          0
          In Africa, the shooting went on the T55 at best, and the advantage was due to the thermal imager, i.e. without return fire.
          In fact, the AMX10 is an old device, maximum fire support, it is frankly weak against tanks! They push what is not needed, from experience, as I understand it, Leo1 and AMX30 will be used belay
          1. Maxim G
            Maxim G 8 January 2023 10: 52
            0
            His gun is just against tanks.
            T-54 and T-55 were knocked out with a 90 mm cannon.
        4. YOUR
          YOUR 8 January 2023 10: 55
          +1
          Quote: Maxim G
          for example, Panhard AML with a 90 mm cannon hit Soviet-made tanks.

          Which? T-34? I read that this tank is credited with the defeat of the T-54 and T-62, so Abrams was set on fire from the DShK. All these are isolated cases, if not notions. This Panhard AML is an exclusively anti-guerrilla weapon because it was pierced through both sides with the usual 12.7. He held a rifle bullet well.
          1. Maxim G
            Maxim G 8 January 2023 17: 27
            0
            90 mm hit T-34/85, T-54, T-55.


            Quote: YOUR
            Which? T-34? I read that this tank is credited with the defeat of the T-54 and T-62, and not only with Abrams was set on fire from the DShK. All these are isolated cases, if not notions. This Panhard AML
      2. Sith
        Sith 7 January 2023 21: 43
        0
        The advantage is very controversial ... a Slovenian tank can sadly fall in half from the area being shot through by artillery ...
        A wheeled tank with bulletproof armor is less likely ... and shooting from an ambush is before the first shot ... if the UAVs do not see it even earlier
      3. YOUR
        YOUR 8 January 2023 10: 48
        +1
        The speed and maneuverability of a wheeled tank through Ukrainian mud? Not funny.
    2. strannik1985
      strannik1985 7 January 2023 08: 45
      +1
      Moreover, what is the difference for Russia between the transfer of wheeled tanks by France or Poland's T-72? request
      1. Alexfly
        Alexfly 9 January 2023 11: 20
        0
        Who cares? Significant and is expressed in the quantitative image of the dead sons of the Motherland .... Or do you like to talk about chips?
    3. Sergey3
      Sergey3 7 January 2023 08: 47
      -1
      I don’t understand, but the transfer of tanks with a 105-mm NATO cannon by Slovenia, didn’t this “taboo” break?

      Until now, any morally obsolete garbage from storage has been transferred, these are the first actual NATO tanks. After that, they can go along with the crews in a shaft.
      1. Sith
        Sith 7 January 2023 21: 44
        0
        Well, a wheeled tank is an exotic thing ... what does it also come from the 70s
    4. YOUR
      YOUR 8 January 2023 10: 47
      +1
      Those tanks are like old and still Soviet T-55s, and these are, wow, what new ones.
  2. dmi.pris1
    dmi.pris1 7 January 2023 07: 42
    +4
    What a "taboo" Everything is on the rise. It's just that other Western countries are waiting, watching, preparing what they can transfer. This year more serious weapons will go
    1. Murmur 55
      Murmur 55 7 January 2023 08: 05
      +3
      dmi-pris 1 hi, so the West does not hide that the number one task is the destruction of Russia as a single state, and for this, tanks and planes and long-range missiles are not greedy.
  3. Murmur 55
    Murmur 55 7 January 2023 07: 42
    0
    The Soviet stocks ran out so it doesn’t matter, the West will throw in the iron itself and B.K. and consumables and uniforms and medicine just to weaken and destroy Russia, and the Ukrainians will run out, we’ll close the warehouses and set fire to it from the other side, there are a lot of neighbors from the former we have and their elites love money and power more than the lives of their compatriots.
    1. voice of reason
      voice of reason 7 January 2023 07: 59
      +1
      yeah no problem. especially to repair and repair and maintain small batches of machines from 40 to 100 pieces spread over all divisions. In total and business, to have spare parts and a repair base from Australian bushmasters and American bradleys to German marders. Doesn't cause any problems at all. The same is true for Bk for mortars and arts of different models and kits. It is necessary to organize the supply of small batches for different calibers and models instead of one nomenclature. Yes, in combat conditions, sometimes even one caliber cannot be provided with shells. And here, please, supply the French Caesars and American "axes" simultaneously with Soviet howitzers with each set. And so everything that you do not touch. and of course, specialists in the repair of this equipment. Do you know anything about the Bradley engine? do you think the Little Russians have gone far from you?
      1. dmi.pris1
        dmi.pris1 7 January 2023 08: 51
        +3
        Here I agree. Miscellaneous equipment is the horror of MTO .. ​​About shells. The main calibers are 105 and 155 mm. And the shells, as far as I know, are unified for each caliber. But! keep in mind.
  4. belovvladimir
    belovvladimir 7 January 2023 07: 47
    +1
    The guards of the coast beguiled, as I look at this circus, then in NATO they are really looking for how not only to annoy, to spoil Russia, but also to really confrontation, the policy of European puppets will bring the world not to house but to the destruction of all mankind, and who will then need these of them excuses, or money, yachts, comfort, etc., in a word, foolishness, the reserve will run out, I will wet the Europeans, I have so much hatred both for gender Europe and for the puppeteers themselves, scum flies, well, they don’t let others live in peace, I lived I feel sorry for my children, well, if necessary, I’ll take a gun and go to the front, wetting these European freaks, and all this, echoes of the actions of the Bloody Pastor!
  5. coinsam
    coinsam 7 January 2023 07: 53
    0
    It's just that the weapons of the Soviet systems have already ended. You can’t shout at the allies that they would “help”, or buy somewhere in Africa or Asia. So now they take out what is in their storerooms.
  6. Nikolay310
    Nikolay310 7 January 2023 08: 15
    +2
    to collect all these "Russia has nowhere to hurry" and "time works for us" and send to Wagner for the front end ...
  7. Leader_Barmaleev
    Leader_Barmaleev 7 January 2023 08: 26
    +1
    Taboo - marabou - boo-boo-boo ... Kindergarten - trousers with straps. Are there still naive utopians who sincerely believe that wars are fought according to the rules? There is only one rule in war - NO RULES. And the one who does not understand this loses. Guaranteed.
  8. Egeny
    Egeny 7 January 2023 08: 30
    -2
    Quote: voice of reason
    Do you know anything about the Bradley engine? do you think the Little Russians have gone far from you?

    So it's good that he doesn't understand. Let the APU-shnye "menagers" and repairmen scratch their turnips
    1. Sergey3
      Sergey3 7 January 2023 08: 53
      0
      So it's good that he doesn't understand. Let the APU-shnye "menagers" and repairmen scratch their turnips

      They will not scratch anything, the tanks will go along with the crews and mechanics. Blacks, Arabs, Poles and others trained in this are like dirt in the world.
  9. AlexVas44
    AlexVas44 7 January 2023 08: 49
    +1
    ... if the armed conflict drags on, then they can deliver anything to Kyiv ...

    That says it all. The actions of the Russian Armed Forces will drag on "according to the disposition approved from above", then there will be Leclercs, Leopards and Abrams, well, Challengers .....
  10. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 7 January 2023 08: 55
    +3
    What "taboo" did pasta overcome, who set this "taboo" for it?
  11. AlexVas44
    AlexVas44 7 January 2023 08: 59
    0
    Quote: voice of reason
    Do you know anything about the Bradley engine?

    Not much more difficult than Caterpillar, Cummins, Renault and others successfully operated in the same Ukraine. But in the rest of the issues of your comment there is reasonable, but again, these are no longer Russian problems.
  12. Luka Nord
    Luka Nord 7 January 2023 09: 51
    0
    Something my gut tells me that these tanks and other infantry fighting vehicles will have NATO crews .. We are waiting for a photo of burning armored vehicles !!!
  13. ratoborets
    ratoborets 7 January 2023 11: 34
    +2
    There are no taboos. If they are, then only the top Russian leadership in the head.

    The West is ready to deliver anything. They act systematically and methodically, gradually supplying more and more serious weapons. First, one country announces the supply of a new type of weapon (in this case, France and the AMX-10RC). Then they look at the reaction of the Russian leadership. If there is no reaction, then more massive deliveries begin, and other countries join, supplying similar weapons.
  14. Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 7 January 2023 13: 36
    -1
    In the first place in terms of the number of vehicles of this series (AMX-10) is Saudi Arabia, which has more than 360 units.

    This is understandable in the main theater of operations, where they were used in Africa (the operation in Mali, the Chadian-Libyan war with the participation of French troops, Morocco drove rebels in Western Sahara with it) and BV (The First War in Iraq), in these conflicts the BRM showed itself well .. .
    On the European theater of operations, especially in the urbanized area of ​​​​Ukraine, it will be too noticeable ....
    This BRM already has a replacement for the French SV and parts of the French IL ....
    EBRC Jaguar or Jaguar Combat Reconnaissance Vehicle
  15. iouris
    iouris 7 January 2023 14: 16
    -3
    One thing should be understood: "leopards" will be delivered. They are working to ensure that the Russian Federation was the first to use nuclear weapons in Europe. Otherwise, why all this? But in this case, it is necessary to start with a nuclear strike on the United States and Britain. Yes, Australia and Canada. And then everyone will be happy.
    1. Vladimir80
      Vladimir80 7 January 2023 20: 51
      0
      If there is a tiao strike on the outskirts, no one will fit in, if on other countries, it will be the end of the world for the northern hemisphere
    2. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 8 January 2023 15: 16
      0
      Quote: iouris
      "leopards" will be delivered.

      The new "Leopard-2 A7" will be equipped with the new 3rd TD of the FRG, all used "Leoaprda-2" older modifications were taken by Poland and it is unlikely that she will give them to the Armed Forces of Ukraine until she replenishes her tank fleet with "Abrams" (new and used) and K2, the Finns will not give up their "Leopards-2" either, they relatively recently moved to them from the T-72 and now they are almost in NATO, and the Russian Federation is going to deploy AK in Karelia, other NATO countries have them "the cat cried" or they are turned into junk (Spain, Portugal) .... Well, there is no point in supplying "Leopards-1", everyone will burn without resisting from the old modifications of the T-72
  16. g_ae
    g_ae 8 January 2023 10: 53
    0
    What the fuck is a taboo? In my opinion, it is only the Russian leadership that invents for itself some incomprehensible and incomprehensible rules, longitudinal red lines, and stubbornly follows them to its own detriment. Well, they broke a taboo, so what? When will the transport infrastructure and bridges in the Zapalenshchina and across the Dnieper be destroyed? Or are we again waiting for the Sumerians to prepare and transfer the group?