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Russia turns page ("Agora Vox", France)

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Russia turns page ("Agora Vox", France)In 2008, Russia's attitude toward the West began to change. And this year, the law on non-profit organizations, the prohibition of the activities of the United States Agency for International Development (USAID), overt contempt for the Council of Europe and the refusal to extend the Nunn-Lugar treaty were new manifestations of this change of course.

In the 2008 article of the year, we wrote that the August war between Georgia and Russia was something of a turning point that marked Russia's return to a role that better matched the geopolitical stories country.

The first sign of this turn was the speech of Vladimir Putin in Munich in February 2007. Western media described this performance as a manifestation of an extremely tough position. In fact, for the president and the overwhelming majority of his fellow citizens, all this was only a typical Russian way of expressing his thoughts directly - without hints and other verbal tricks. So what did he say? “NATO is pushing its advanced forces to our state borders, and we, strictly fulfilling the Treaty, do not react to these actions. I think it is obvious that the NATO expansion process has nothing to do with the modernization of the alliance itself or with ensuring security in Europe. On the contrary, it is a serious provocative factor reducing the level of mutual trust. And we have a fair right to ask frankly - against whom is this extension? And what happened to those assurances that were given by Western partners after the dissolution of the Warsaw Pact? Where are these statements now? Nobody even remembers them. ”

It is quite normal language for Russian culture. Nevertheless, one cannot blame Putin for the stupidity and misunderstanding of what kind of reaction may follow this kind of performance.

The events in the second half of 2012, we think, only confirm this turnaround, which we talked about in 2008.

Of course, this is not about returning Putin to the presidency. Everyone knows that his influence in Russian politics remained unchanged, even when he was just the prime minister of the country.

NGO law

If we look at events in chronological order, the first of them was the adoption of the law on non-profit organizations. It follows from it that those NPOs that receive funding from abroad and are engaged in political activities should openly declare this and use in all publications, including their websites, the name “foreign agent”.

Of course, one can argue about the literary value of such a formulation, but before resenting about this measure, it is necessary to deal with the nature of these NGOs and their work, both in Russia and in other countries.

The US intervention in the internal politics of Russia began immediately after the collapse of the USSR in 1992: a huge number of foreign advisers rushed into the country, who sought to assist in the “restoration of the country”. On the American side, this intervention was not at all disinterested. It was about raising the former enemy to its feet, while not allowing it to become such again. Some advisers did work out of good intentions, but this did not prevent them from making the most terrible mistake: they tried to restore the country without taking into account the opinion of the population. Subsequently, Stephen Cohen (Stephen Cohen) called it the formation of some ideal Russia.

The result was not only catastrophic economically, politically, and socially - for a long time it discredited the very notion of democracy in the eyes of the Russian population and, as a result, NGOs that declare themselves advocates of this very democracy.

Plenary meeting of the State Duma of the Russian Federation

Back in 1991, the G7 tried to impose shock therapy on Mikhail Gorbachev. The President of the USSR realized that he would not be able to reform the country without foreign assistance, and he turned for support to the West. There, he was unequivocally given to understand that the provision of this very help is impossible without radical “shock” methods. Upon returning to his homeland, he noted that the methods proposed for him and the pace of transition were overwhelming. The press also did not stand aside. For example, The Economist newspaper advised Gorbachev, who was called “Mikhail Sergeyevich Pinochet”, to apply the methods already tested in Chile, despite the risk of “bloodshed”. “Chile Pinochet can serve as a practical example for the Soviet economy,” added The Washington Post.

After Gorbachev’s resignation, Boris Yeltsin set about implementing reforms based on theories of Milton Friedman (Milton Friedman). They were presented by a team of young economists, whom the Russian media quickly dubbed the Chicago Boys, and were sent by a group of European and American advisers. In October, the United States Agency for International Development (1992) offered a two millionth contract to Harvard University: it sent its lawyers and economists to Russia, who were assigned to monitor the work of the Chicago Boys.

As a result of such a brilliant intervention, Russia was in the ranks of the countries of not even the third, but the fourth world: GDP fell by more than 50%, and, according to the World Bank, at the end of the 1990s, 74 million Russians lived beyond the poverty threshold. At the same time, the country lost approximately 700 000 residents per year. As expert Vladimir Gusev notes, “the years of criminal capitalism cost the country 10% of the population”.

The population of the country, of course, could not help but notice what was happening. Local media actively discussed these problems - despite the fact that the foreign press stubbornly continued to pretend to believe in the “miracle” of the presidential years of Boris Yeltsin, this “great democrat”.

At the beginning of 2000, Russians were able to observe the intervention of other NGOs in Central European countries and the improvement of the methods of “non-violent” coup d'état, the idea of ​​which was proposed by Gene Sharp, nicknamed by some of his colleagues “Clausewitz of non-violent movements” . The first attempt at writing was the former Yugoslavia and Serbia. According to The Washington Post journalist Michael Dobbs (Michael Dobbs), the removal of Milosevic cost the US government 41 a million dollars: this was the cost of the campaign, which the American ambassador to Serbia spent and funded by USAID through non-profit organizations like the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) , The National Democratic Institute (NDI) and the International Republican Institute (IRI). From the Serbian side, the most active role was played by the NGO Otpor, which, by the way, offered its services in various states of the former USSR. One of its leaders, Alexander Marich, described the technologies she used in a large interview with the Politique Internationale.

Later, the very same American NPOs perfected their methods in Georgia and Ukraine, which make it possible to eliminate political rivals and at the same time make others believe that the source of all changes are spontaneous democratic movements. These movements were designated by the term "color revolutions."

In 2002, the US ambassador to Georgia was Richard Miles (Richard Miles - former ambassador to Serbia), and Mikhail Saakashvili served as justice minister in the government of President Eduard Shevardnadze. The Rose Revolution was largely financed by NED and Freedom House, an organization headquartered in Washington, which since 2001 has been headed by former CIA director James Woolsey. According to Jonathan Mowat, the Open Society Institute of billionaire George Soros (Georges Soros) also played a prominent role in the Rose Revolution.

After Georgia, it was Ukraine’s turn. According to the head of the European service of the British newspaper The Guardian Ian Traynor, the above-mentioned NGOs took part in the operation to destabilize the government, and if in Serbia the US government spent a million dollars on 41, in Ukraine, according to a journalist, everything cost him 14 million. William Engdahl, in turn, talks about 20 millions. It should be noted that the stakes in that game were high, because at that moment all the pipes through which Russia supplied its gas and oil to Europe passed through Ukraine.

The Russian government closely followed the actions of American NGOs in Georgia and Ukraine. Such nervousness of the authorities might seem out of place to an outside observer: Russia is not Ukraine and certainly not Georgia. However, when the same NGOs started to finance the so-called opposition groups at the end of 2011 of the year - the beginning of 2012 of the year, these events re-emerged in the memory of the Russian population and government. Hence the new law, which is designed to provide better control over the leading political activities in Russia by foreign organizations.

Procession of nationalists "Civil March"

USAID ban

The second important indicator of change is the ban on USAID activities in Russia. Washington officially notified this decision in September, and it came into force on October 1. Moreover, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov warned his American counterpart Hillary Clinton about this in June. The surprise manifested in September by the United States speaks either of the disbelief of the American administration in the possibility of such a step, or of its complete insincerity ... Or maybe there is a little of one and the other?

USAID opened its representative office in Moscow in 1992, and in 2012, 60 Russians and 13 Americans worked in it. Over the years, 20 has funded a large number of programs in areas such as health care, the fight against AIDS, the training of judges and the repair of power grids, totaling about 3 billions of dollars. At the same time, it actively intervened in events in the economic sphere and, in particular, played a significant role in the monstrous memories that left behind privatizations, as a result of which a limited circle of people with connections got their hands on all national wealth. This process gave rise to the most hated Russians political class - the oligarchs. Now that help is so necessary in 1992, it is no longer needed, the population remembers only USAID's involvement in the 1990 disaster, and the leadership - about the desire for political intervention and attempts to rebuild Russia in the image and likeness of the United States or Europe, although today Russians We are convinced that they need to find a “third way” for themselves.

Of course, each of the parties is trying to present the situation in the most favorable light for itself. Nevertheless, even David Herzenhorn (David Herszenhorn) from The New York Times recognizes the ambiguity of aid programs in general, and the activities of USAID - in particular: "... from a historical point of view, in many countries these programs served as a cover for espionage."

The American ambassador to Moscow, Michael McFaul, in turn, noted in a joint book with James Goldgeier, published in 2003, that the US organized the distribution of humanitarian aid in the regions of Russia inaccessible in Soviet times, to simply find out that going on there.

At the same time, Paige Alexander (Paige Alexander), whose words are quoted in his article by David Herzenhorn, states: “We have always worked on behalf of the American people for the sake of the Russian people ...”

Today, Russia has restored its own finances and has itself become one of the state sponsors, in connection with which it no longer needs financial assistance from abroad. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs noted that Moscow is ready to cooperate with USAID in programs of assistance to third countries.

Europe answer

In 1996, Russia joined the Council of Europe at the initiative of its then President Boris Yeltsin. It happened at a time when the young Russian Federation was looking for role models and the support of the international community. Its economy lay in ruins, and chaos reigned in the public and political spheres. And since the attempt at rapprochement with the United States did not bring the expected fruits, Russia turned towards Europe.

Since then, their relationship has been marked by a series of more or less serious conflicts, some of which even led partners to the brink of rupture. This was the case, for example, during the first war in Chechnya, when Russia was temporarily deprived of its right to vote in the council. Sometimes Russia itself threatened to leave the council. Be that as it may, in the end she sought to show each time that she had a legitimate place in this organization aimed at solving democratic issues. Both partners appear to have refined the art of maneuvering between the necessary public statements and backstage political arrangements.

However, recently something has changed. If earlier, Russia rejected all criticism, but nevertheless showed a real desire to work with the Council of Europe to search for diplomatic solutions acceptable to both sides, now, it seems that this desire has dried up.

Assistance from the United States Agency for International Development (USAID)

For example, State Duma Speaker Sergei Naryshkin canceled a planned trip to Strasbourg for a meeting of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE). There he had to make a number of proposals on such major problems as "the development of European parliamentarism and the construction of Europe without dividing lines." “However, recent events have shown that my strategic proposals are unlikely to be heard today at PACE, since there are other desires among individual leaders of PACE and Russophobic-minded individual deputies,” Naryshkin told Interfax. “That is why I decided to refuse to participate in the session, but I want to emphasize that I will be ready to speak at the PACE as soon as the appropriate conditions are created for an objective discussion of the issues that I consider urgent.”

Even more surprising is Russia's reaction to the negative PACE report on the country's compliance with its obligations in the field of democracy and human rights. “We do not consider such language and appeals to be appropriate and, of course, we will not listen to them,” said Russian Presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov on official PACE recommendations. Thus, the disagreement acquired unprecedented forms.

In addition, other changes occurred in the situation. In the current crisis, the European model has lost the lion’s share of its attractiveness. In this regard, it is also interesting to note that Putin’s criticism of Europe has flowed from politics to economics. The crisis also weakened Strasbourg’s position vis-à-vis Moscow. After all, in the end, Russia gives considerable contributions. In 2011, it provided 34 a million dollars, which is 12% of the total funding of the Council of Europe.

Refusal to extend the Nunn-Lugar Treaty

The Cooperative Threat Reduction Program Agreement, which is better known as the Nunn-Lugar Treaty (after the names of the two US senators who proposed it), was signed in 1991. His goal was to destroy the nuclear and chemical weapons with the support of American funding and experts in the context of the economic collapse that followed the collapse of the USSR.

In addition, the program was aimed at reorienting certain enterprises of the military industry and protecting “sensitive” technologies, while (real or fictional) cases of smuggling of nuclear materials became more and more. Another objective of the treaty was the control of nuclear arsenals and their destruction in the countries of the former USSR.

According to Russia, the program has completed its tasks. In addition, the country wants to get rid of the image of the applicant for assistance in the 1990-s. Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov directly reflected this in his statement: “This agreement does not suit us, especially in view of the new realities, when the situation in Russia has changed, including our financial capabilities have significantly expanded.”

Thus, Russia made it clear that it does not intend to extend the agreement, which expires in May 2013.

Conclusion

Changes in Russia's behavior towards the United States and Europe suggest that the country considers the search for a new, own path to be the main one. At first, in the 1990's, Moscow tried to find role models and partners abroad. At first it was the USA. Officially, Russian initiatives were not rejected, but Washington continued to treat Moscow as a poor relative. As a result, Russia turned towards Europe, but even there it encountered only indulgence and a desire to interfere in the internal affairs of the country in order to redraw it in its own image and likeness.

The US persistence on missile defense was one of the reasons for the current turn. As, incidentally, attempts to intervene on the part of Europe, and especially the contempt for the Russian position in the Middle East. Moscow is not ready to forget how the Europeans and Americans took advantage of the UN resolution on Libya, against which it did not use its veto.

Ilya Yashin and Alexei Navalny after the end of the campaign "March of Millions"

Anyway, the impetus for this new movement was primarily the inability of Western leaders to find a solution for the global crisis. For many years, Russians have been firmly convinced that the West lives in a kind of fictional world, while they themselves are really looking at things. The Kremlin has come to the conclusion that we are now experiencing a systemic economic and financial crisis. And that liberalism has demonstrated its limitations.

As Fyodor Lukyanov, editor-in-chief of Russia in Global Affairs magazine, wrote, “Vladimir Putin of the third term is an experienced politician and quite pessimistic about world perspectives. His criticism of the West, for example, is now different from the one that sounded before. Previously, he was outraged by the inability and unwillingness to perceive Russia as an equal partner and the desire to harm its interests. Now it's not about that - he wonders why everything that the leading players do reminds of self-destruction, it only aggravates the already acute problems. ”

Thus, now we need to urgently begin work on the establishment of a new system. A return to morality and spirituality are integral parts of this search.

That is, the existing rift will become even larger? I do not think so. Is Russia looking to the East? This is quite normal behavior, given its geographical location and the development of the economy of Asian states, which will soon leave the West behind. Be that as it may, due to a multitude of geographic and historical reasons, it will still remain a link between Europe and Asia. “We have centuries-old experience at the crossroads of different cultures and civilizations. The fact that some people call Russia a Eurasian or "Euro-Pacific" country is by no means an accident, ”said Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev.

Russia’s relations with the United States will still be ups and downs, at least until the clichés inherited from the Cold War times have completely disappeared. But they will not remain unchanged, since, according to the American expert on the Soviet Union and Russia Stephen Cohen, “Moscow expects nothing more from Washington, with the exception of military security. Everything else, including the capital needed to modernize the economy, can be obtained from a thriving partnership with China or Europe. ”

A good conclusion can be the words of Henry Kissinger (Henry Kissinger), which he said after the meeting in Moscow with President Putin: "Russian-American relations occupy one of the most important places in the world, and I hope that they will develop and improve in the coming months and years. "
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  1. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 9 November 2012 07: 17
    +20
    Yesterday there was this article on "military materials" It is a pity that in 2008 they did not throw out all the sent "humanitarians". It's time to return to Spirituality and Morality, to introduce censorship on porn and saites like the "Caucasus Center"; to introduce censorship on the internet and on TV is essentially protecting the future generation of Russia from the further decay of society. Russia has always had its own path of development and everything that we need brought the democrats from outside, you need to return them back. Let them roll into the abyss themselves.
    1. bask
      bask 9 November 2012 07: 35
      +11
      I agree it’s time to return to spiritual sources. But where, look for these sources. On 1 2 3 central channels, TV shows ,,, Or, or on the TNT channel in ,, house 2 ,, (((((how many complaints from citizens about closing this breeding ground and vulgarity with dedelism (((Answer 00000 And to expel from the strona and put for lattice, first of all, not these pawns from the swamp, but the Chubas, Tubaretkin, etc. ,,,,,,,,,, indicating billions from the country, (((robbed poor women and grandfathers ((This is what should be controlled by the GDP in the first place !!!
      1. alatau_09
        alatau_09 9 November 2012 11: 36
        +3
        ... and it's good that "turned the page", it means RIPE in order to start WRITING your own and your own way without looking back ...
        This makes me happy hi
        French journalist +.
    2. alexng
      alexng 9 November 2012 08: 06
      +9
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      It's time to return to Spirituality and Morality, to introduce censorship on porn and saites such as "Caucasus Center", to introduce censorship on the internet

      Of course, it’s time to introduce censorship, because in the USA it exists and no one even thinks to blame them. Stop playing one goal. Painfully played in liberalism gentlemen balabolki.
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      what democrats brought to us from outside, we need to return them back. let them roll into the abyss themselves.

      Not only to return them back, but also to put them in the grave, so that in subsequent lives they would come back to haunt.
      1. Armata
        Armata 9 November 2012 08: 30
        +4
        Welcome all. You are all talking about the return of spirituality and morality. And tell me who will return it? The modern generation of Pepsi has completely lost family values. The values ​​of family and marriage are absent, and it is already useless to instill these values ​​in the modern generation. They grew up on American ideology. They cannot prove that it should be otherwise. Moreover, they will bring up their children in the same way. And here "impaling" nothing can be fixed. Even more, I will say it looks more like revenge than an attempt to fix something.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 9 November 2012 09: 27
          +2
          Quote: Mechanic
          The values ​​of family and marriage are absent and it is already useless to instill these values ​​in the modern generation. They grew up on American ideology. They can’t prove what should be different.

          Zhenya, there should be propaganda of morality and values ​​at the state level, as long as I see the opposite on TV. Anything, clothes, rags, a beautiful life are all encouraged, but not moral.
          Quote: Mechanic
          . I’ll even say it more like revenge than trying to fix something.

          If humanity pardons someone, that’s from above, but not revenge but punishment for our deeds.
          1. Armata
            Armata 9 November 2012 09: 52
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Zhenya, there should be propaganda of morality and values ​​at the state level, while on TV I can see the opposite. Anything, clothes, rags, a beautiful life are all propaganda, but not morality.
            Sasha, we have what we have. TV is a mirror of how things are going. If the same house 2 did not have such a rating, it would simply be covered. But these are the morals today and we clearly see them in this project.
            1. homosum20
              homosum20 9 November 2012 20: 58
              +1
              Dear "mechanic" (I don't know your name, sorry), I have a daughter, 18 years old, not a gift.
              But she does not look at house-2. It's cheap, she says. You, in my opinion, look too gloomy at things. Next generation, believe me, are not fools. At least fools are no more than you and I in our youth. Everything will be fine.
        2. Andrey64
          Andrey64 9 November 2012 11: 10
          +2
          And who said that this is a quick process ?! But if the values ​​of family and marriage were able to be destroyed, then they can be restored ... the technologies are the same. Yes, this may take more than one generation, so you had to start doing it yesterday !!! It seems that there is a draft law similar to financing NGOs, but only for the media, however, as always, it is silent about this.
        3. ded
          ded 9 November 2012 12: 19
          -1
          You are all talking about the return of spirituality and morality. And tell me who will return it?


          I will tell you:

          The priest who was drunk in Moscow and on a sports BMW (which costs a wagon of money) had an accident and refused to take an alcohol test. So he will be engaged spirituality. He has already confirmed his proximity to God, since the video of the accident from surveillance cameras "wonderful" manner disappeared the next day.
        4. Alan
          Alan 9 November 2012 19: 05
          0
          Mechanic.
          And hello to you, let me not agree with you on everything; the modern generation is different and this eternal problem of fathers and children, "They are not like us, here we are in our time ....." I work with young people and I think I can to judge it. Believe me, most modern parents think much more about the upbringing and future of their children than parents of 80-90 years. I would not say that family values ​​are absent either; this is how to deduce the average temperature in the ward. (Sorry for the literary cliché). Yes, I certainly agree with you, the moral foundations of the nation since the late 80s and early 90s have been intensely undermined and devalued by various "well-wishers" of our country, they are still trying to impose on us a tolerant attitude towards all kinds of "homosexuals and others like them." And the concept of PATRIOT in the media most often carries a negative connotation. The very name RUSSIA is used in a foreign manner "Russia" or even worse "Rashka" ....... and many, many, all that. We need to fight for the future generation, it is more susceptible to all kinds of temptations ... Of course, we will not win this war by "impaling" alone. What should be opposed to all this? First of all, I think to ask ourselves how we would like to see the next generation and carry out painstaking, systematic work in this direction. You definitely need to start with the teachers. I'm not talking about a banal increase in salaries, as practice has shown, an increase in one does not always lead to an increase in the second (here we mean professionalism). It is necessary to build work on the selection and training of the teaching staff. As the heroine of one famous film said (not literally) "mistakes of teachers are not immediately visible, but they are very expensive."
          Sincerely ...
        5. homosum20
          homosum20 9 November 2012 20: 53
          0
          And what follows from this?
  2. Alexander-Tomsk
    Alexander-Tomsk 9 November 2012 07: 34
    +2
    Highly civilized Europeans got used to throwing their partners, and so they act on the cliche, forgetting that in the 21st century. increasingly fading into the background (on the question of Libya).
  3. aksakal
    aksakal 9 November 2012 07: 36
    +5
    «NATO puts forward its advanced forces to our state borders, and we, strictly implementing the Treaty, do not react in any way to these actions. I think it is obvious that the process of NATO expansion has nothing to do with modernizing the alliance itself or with ensuring security in Europe. On the contrary, it is a seriously provocative factor that reduces the level of mutual trust. And we have a fair right to ask frankly - against whom is this expansion? And what happened to the assurances given by Western partners after the dissolution of the Warsaw Pact? Where are these statements now? Nobody even remembers them.».
    - simply put, bro, you promised - where is the promise?
    But this is more interesting: "A completely normal manner of speaking for Russian culture. Nevertheless, one cannot blame Putin for stupidity and misunderstanding of what kind of reaction may follow a speech of this kind". - What such a reaction can follow to
    "you promised - where is the promised?" ... A sane person has a feeling of awkwardness for unfulfilled promises and exculpatory muttering. And in the above quote, what is it about? About a flash of anger? I mean, I'll get angry every time I'm asked what I promised? Is it okay that among normal men they actually beat the face for this? Moreover, regardless of the size and importance of what was promised, it’s just a matter of principle! And if he also freaked out when he asked what was promised, they beat him twice!
    I don’t understand why in politics everything is different. Or in politics, solid women? Such things are characteristic of womanish squabbles.
    And there’s nothing to rassusalit with the West, the article already explicitly indicates why Russia is not interested, therefore, in general, it’s a plus
    1. bask
      bask 9 November 2012 07: 52
      +1
      NATO is pushing to the borders ... And here, the Air Force hospital is being closed .. All the doctors on the street, and who will treat the pilots is not clear ???? And we are all talking about the global. Maybe the hospital in Kazakhstan isn’t closing ??? Then gut .......
      1. 916-th
        916-th 9 November 2012 16: 03
        +1
        Bask: And here, the Air Force hospital is being closed.

        Which hospital? Moscow TsNIAAG? Lying there once, back in the 70s ...
  4. nokki
    nokki 9 November 2012 07: 55
    +5
    Thus, now we need to urgently begin work on the establishment of a new system. A return to morality and spirituality are integral parts of this search.

    Very true conclusion! The Frenchman very succinctly and accurately outlined the current state of affairs in the world. But many in Russia, blinded by fury (in many respects fair!) To corrupt officials and snickering nouveau riche, do not understand and (sadly!) Do not accept this! They demand from Putin: all at once !!! This happens only in a fairy tale. Comrades and gentlemen! Believers and unbelievers! Rich and poor! You can cut a tree in a minute. Grow it healthy, strong, powerful - for decades! So it is with Russia! We see that the movement towards revival has begun. We will believe and try to maintain this faith and the Russian spirit in our children and grandchildren. Do not take this for pathos. I speak from the bottom of my heart ...
    1. Pula
      Pula 9 November 2012 09: 14
      0
      Well said.
  5. 916-th
    916-th 9 November 2012 08: 15
    +2
    Article: for the president and the overwhelming majority of his fellow citizens, all this was just a typically Russian way of expressing their thoughts directly - without hints and other verbal tricks.

    Aksakal: And is it okay that among normal men, for that, in fact, they beat their faces? Moreover, regardless of the size and importance of the promise - this is simply a matter of principle! And And if it freaked out when asked what was promised, they’ll double hit!

    1. 916-th
      916-th 9 November 2012 16: 11
      0
      To continue: this is the fundamental difference between our worldview and the Western one.
  6. StrateG
    StrateG 9 November 2012 08: 20
    +1
    Russia has repeatedly proved that to believe in it is complete madness. The country is unpredictable. Therefore, it is not difficult to control it from the outside, but it is completely useless, because it can one day rise from its knees and properly heat it.
  7. Leisure
    Leisure 9 November 2012 08: 29
    +1
    With such "friends" enemies are not necessary.
  8. Evil Tatar
    Evil Tatar 9 November 2012 08: 46
    +2
    09.11.12 Guys, moderator Alexander Romanov - a young but ambitious person - (an early spring product), deleted my comment in response to Botanoved in another topic, where a neutral example of the Soviet folklore was posted in the context of Botanoved’s response to the actions of certain minusers, for distributing minuses in vain, namely:
    that such guys like to sit on a throne with a golden nut on their head ...
    Following the example of the Soviet joke -
    "such a thug-oh-oh-oh, such a thug-yuch,
    For bread - "mandro"
    On the goat - bastard,
    On the sides of the six, and on the chest in large letters - blue (more precisely - a specific word with an emphasis on O, distorted in pronunciation) ...
    Then I wrote that now such a pamphlet is more relevant to majors, not only with the inscription on the shirt, but also inscriptions in the souls ...
    For this word with an emphasis on O, this "moderator" Alexander Romanov gave me 2 missing warnings before an eternal ban !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    But here is the word - bastard in folklore, he doesn’t care ... Question: WHY ?????????????????))))))))))))))))))) )))))))))))))))))
    Well, how do administrators feel about this, as it is called?

    Apparently my comment found the addressee?
    Remove it from the AREA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From the beach, from the beach!
    You, Alexander Romanov, I warn you that this post does not bear profanity and insults to the site participants, so do not dare to touch it !!!!!!!!
    Well, Evil Tatar, guys, most likely will go on a spell to ambitions of this (what to call something? - I’m even lost myself ...) ADDRESSES
    ***
    Upstairs you, comrades - everything is in place!
    The last parade is coming ...
    Our proud does not surrender to the enemy ............ (all of a sudden novels-Marshal for the mat will count)
    No one wants mercy!
    ***
    So louder music - play Victory!
    We did not win, but the enemy lies, lies, licks ...
    So for the novel, the "king" - he is a moderator!
    Will we blow loud Urya? Or no? Cheers cheers!
    ***
    Farewell, comrades, with God - Hurray!
    1. Armata
      Armata 9 November 2012 08: 57
      +2
      You could not state such things on the forum, it is there that you can say everything, or write a letter to Vadim Smirnov, he is not a person interested and if he considers you right, he will remove the ban.
      And here is your personal enmity with the Romanov and the question of Russia?
      1. Evil Tatar
        Evil Tatar 9 November 2012 09: 09
        -1
        Quote: Mechanic
        You could not state such things on the forum, that’s where you can say everything

        This is my opinion and it is very relevant to the topic of Russia!
        Or are we here from different countries without exception?
        Do you really think that I didn’t?
        But tinder involved, without hesitation tinder ...
        Now, until the eternal ban, if "the turn is not lying to us", I can receive a bunch of warnings ...)))))))))))))
        But he intends to restore the status quo ...

        And let people know who they have to deal with sometimes ...
        And then +/-, and a person writes for his own benefit, but to the detriment of others ...

        It’s boiling up ... But the minuses are not forbidden ... I was already a General, I want to see how it will be now ...

        Dare, colleagues ...

        Tatar is making friends. Yes, and you see anger will pass by itself ...
  9. Hippopotamus
    Hippopotamus 9 November 2012 10: 10
    +2
    Correctly the Frenchman writes. Let the West throw its handouts to the Baltic punks and others nazi new European slurry. If necessary, we need an honest, business partnership. On an equal footing, if any, those are capable of. Anyway, try. As for America, it’s better to dig out of the debt hole. Apart from the bombers, she no longer has real authority in the world. What is understood by everyone with a little power, or brains.
  10. Lavrik
    Lavrik 9 November 2012 10: 15
    +1
    There would be more in the West of such journalists who understand Russia, understand what is happening in it, why it is happening and how the West should respond to changes in the Russian Federation.
    1. CEO
      CEO 9 November 2012 14: 21
      +1
      Article plus. And you are right with the journalist. More to such.
  11. lelikas
    lelikas 9 November 2012 16: 48
    0
    Denis well done !! Now the main thing is that the rest of the West would listen to his opinion, and not to all kinds of zbignies ....
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 9 November 2012 17: 37
      0
      It's generally interesting to read what they write :) -
      http://www.inosmi.ru/agoravox_fr/
  12. Stasi.
    Stasi. 9 November 2012 18: 48
    0
    The whole problem of the West is that it has always adhered to a policy of double standards in relation to Russia. This policy continues today. All that remains for Russia is to seek its own path of development and not look back either at the East or the West. Send this West and all Western institutions such as PACE fuck and all things. Anyway, from the West there was never anything good for Russia.
  13. APASUS
    APASUS 9 November 2012 19: 42
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    I can imagine how many years in prison you can get in the USA if you organize an NGO there !!! It’s with us that they are fighting for democracy, in the USA they would recognize the ATTEMPT to overthrow the AUTHORITIES and all the participants ............... I think a dozen would safely get !!!!
  14. homosum20
    homosum20 9 November 2012 21: 00
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    The article surprised me. Damn, are there really normal people among them? Or pretend?
  15. Botanologist
    Botanologist 9 November 2012 21: 54
    +1
    In fact, they are all there ... milled. It's just that this journalist, apparently, worked for a long time in Russia, began to slowly come to his senses, it is becoming normal.
  16. Zomanus
    Zomanus 10 November 2012 04: 47
    0
    Good article. It’s just that the country has determined what it needs and is taking steps to achieve this. They ate Western freedom in 90, realized what it was. Now let's go our own way.
  17. v53993
    v53993 10 November 2012 09: 38
    0
    The correct article. It is high time to turn the page on which Europe was, and is preparing to turn the next, on which everyone is bored.