Spanish press: US will force Ukraine to sign new Minsk agreements that will not be implemented

The United States will try to force Ukraine to sign new agreements that Kyiv will not comply with, something like new Minsk agreements. Fabrizio Casari, a columnist for the Spanish edition of Rebelión, came to this conclusion.

According to the journalist, Washington has already benefited from the Ukrainian conflict, arranged by itself, and is now looking for ways to end it, of course, not to the detriment of itself. Today, the maintenance of Ukraine is a heavy burden on the United States and the European Union, so the West needs a "breather", especially since the victory of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is not expected, all statements about a "soon victory" are just propaganda slogans sounding from Zelensky's office. As an option, the signing of certain agreements like the Minsk agreements is being considered, which will also not be implemented.

A continuation of the conflict would place a huge burden on Washington and Brussels, with no chance of victory on the ground. On the other hand, training, arming and funding neo-Nazi groups to continue hostilities even after a peace agreement is reached will be inexpensive and will bring many benefits.

Kazari says.

The question arises whether Moscow will sign such an agreement if the West itself admitted that the Minsk agreements were, in fact, only a means to strengthen Ukraine, an attempt to give Kyiv time to train an army ready to fight Russia. And the United States and its allies did it, the Armed Forces of Ukraine, trained by Western military instructors, at the beginning of the special operation were already radically different from the army of the 2014 model. Eight years were not spent in vain, now the West is trying to defeat Russia through the hands of Ukrainians. So Moscow is unlikely to step on the same rake twice, the peace agreement, in the end, will still be signed, but on Russian terms. At least that's what the Kremlin says.

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[Expert_Analyst_Forecaster]

According to the journalist, Washington has already benefited from the Ukrainian conflict, arranged by him, and is now looking for ways to end it.

I have benefited, no doubt about it. But why the United States should end the conflict is completely incomprehensible.
Modern "journalists" sit in comfort and come up with articles based on what they read on the Internet. Instead of information, they publish their very important opinions.

[Asad]

The war machine has been launched, contracts, the transfer of production from Europe. Yes, and NWO is not good for us. It's only begining.

[voice of reason]

Well, the Ukraine that will be part of Poland, consisting of 4 regions. And there will be no other Ukraine. The Ukrainian project is closed as unviable. They gave people their own country in 91. Received on a silver platter. So no. We fell in love with the country and the saucer. They couldn't, they couldn't. Well, that's all then. Who gave, he took back.

And around the former kuev, when it becomes Kyiv again, there will be Little Russia, friendly to Russia. But already without access to the Black Sea.

[parusnik]

About the rake .. Minsk-1 and Minsk-2 ..

the peace agreement, in the end, will still be signed, but on Russian terms.

And how long will it be observed and will it be carried out? Will they return something, and leave something for "reproduction"? "What is the point of burying" secrets ""? (C)

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: parusnik

And how long will it be respected and will it be carried out?

The question is not this, but this:

The question arises whether Moscow will sign such an agreement

And with such calls about the "Christmas Truce" - a rhetorical question.

[parusnik]

The question arises whether Moscow will sign such an agreement

Moscow, what, will not go to the signing of an agreement on its terms? The agreement will be, the question is different, on what terms.

[know]

I'm afraid that's exactly what will happen. A bleeding wound that will not be allowed to heal. Putin made a tragic mistake in 2014 by allowing himself to be fooled by the fox Alice Merkel and the cat Basilio Hollande. And he was tragically mistaken in February 2022, believing fakes about an easy walk that awaits the Russian army in Ukraine. And believing the false reports about the excellent state of the Russian army, which, supposedly, will roll everyone out in three days. He acted exactly as his Western "partners" wanted from him, who, apparently, provoked him, giving false promises not to interfere in the conflict. Currently - a strategic impasse. There are no forces for the complete defeat of Ukraine, even if a million people are mobilized, there will not be enough weapons, uniforms, and ammunition. And if, with great bloodshed, Ukraine is defeated, Poland is on the way, whose politicians are eager to fight and are ready to play the role of Zelensky.

[voice of reason]

And let's point by point. Do you admit that Ukraine was an anti-Russian project supported by the West, directed against the Russian Federation? Do you remember that Georgia, for example, played this role before Ukraine? So the Russian army quickly defeated Georgia, and what did it lead to? to the Ukraine-anti-Russia project. Do you remember the events in Kazakhstan a month before the start of the NWO? That is, NATO resources were thrown into the "soft underbelly" of Russia. And now you are promoting the thesis that Russia is bogged down. and after all, the whole of NATO, led by the light-faced mattress covers in full force, got bogged down. All their mighty economy and hyped military-industrial complex cannot cope with the Russian military industry. Moreover, if NATO acted as a broad front from the Baltic to the Black Sea, then most likely Russia simply would not have had the means and forces to confront it in a conventional war. I would have to use nuclear weapons. And so what we are seeing, just in contrast to your scenario, DO NOT take turns smashing Ukraine, Poland, Turkey, Romania, Germany. They burn all their resources, both personnel and military-industrial, on the Eastern (for them) front. And they also bear huge economic costs of maintaining the economy of the warring Ukrainian state. But they did not pull such projects either in Iraq or in Afghanistan. Although in one case they profited from the oil trade, and in the other from the control of drug trafficking. It is one thing to support a more or less stable state by directing its politicians into an anti-Russian direction. it is another matter to fully contain it. Yes, and wage a proxy war in the hot phase. And after all, for the West, there is complete geopolitical uncertainty. Any of the events of world politics will defocus all efforts. I list offhand:
1. China's military operation in Taiwan
2. Military clash between Turkey and Greece
3. Aggravation of confrontation between North and South Korea.
4. The resumption of the territorial dispute between Argentina and England over the Falkland Islands.
And all all the consolidated efforts and the concentration of weapons and equipment are down the drain.

[VLR]

Ukraine was an anti-Russian project supported by the West

And here, by the way, a very interesting and "uncomfortable" question arises: what did Putin and Lavrov do, what kind of policy were they pursuing in Ukraine? After all, the advantage was clearly on the side of Russia: the Russian language is almost universally much more popular than Ukrainian, Russian TV channels broadcast, a huge number of families on both sides have close relatives on the other side of the border. People still remember the USSR in which Ukraine flourished. Closest economic ties. Ukraine receives huge incomes from trade with Russia and as a payment for the transit of energy carriers. How could Ukraine lose to the United States in such conditions and under such circumstances? What did Lavrov and the ambassadors he appointed - Chernomyrdin and Zurabov - do? And where was Putin looking? Such a foreign economic failure was only under Nesselrod, who managed to achieve international isolation of Russia, which had recently defeated Napoleon.

[Alexga]

After all, the advantage was clearly on the side of Russia: the Russian language is almost universally much more popular than Ukrainian, Russian TV channels broadcast, a huge number of families on both sides have close relatives on the other side of the border. People still remember the USSR in which Ukraine flourished.

It should have been so, but this is a delusion. From personal experience, I’ll say that out of 16 Ukrainians (officers, ensigns) with whom he served in 1990 at the time of his replacement from the ZabVO, 15 people after the collapse of the USSR immediately became independent. It was an amazing occurrence. And now they, who are alive, have become direct enemies of all Russians. Well, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation was more busy with the affairs of the far abroad than with its neighbors.

[YOUR]

Quote: voice of reason

And let's point by point. Do you admit that Ukraine was an anti-Russian project supported by the West, directed against the Russian Federation?

And explain how it happened that we lived side by side for more than one hundred years, destinies intertwined, blood and suddenly some project and within a couple of years became enemies. Who's guilty?

[topol717]

Quote: YOUR

And explain how it happened that we lived side by side for more than one hundred years, destinies intertwined, blood and suddenly some project and within a couple of years became enemies. Who's guilty?

Back in 1984, a friend of mine dreamed of separating Ukraine from the USSR.
Despite the fact that at that time they were not even talking about perestroika. And all this took place 3000 km from Ukraine itself. On the territory of North-Eastern Kazakhstan. Moreover, he was from Kharkov, but even then he was sure that Ukraine feeds, clothes and supports the entire union.

[YOUR]

Quote from: topol717

Back in 1984, a friend of mine dreamed of separating Ukraine from the USSR.

Your friends are strange. And so a reminder your friend is not the people.

[28st region]

In those days, a bunch of slogans were like Ukraine granary, Kuzbass - the All-Union forge, and so on. Only the fact that the forge was fed by the granary, and the granary was supplied by the smithy passed by

[former soldier]

I list offhand:
1. China's military operation in Taiwan
2. Military clash between Turkey and Greece
3. Aggravation of confrontation between North and South Korea.
4. The resumption of the territorial dispute between Argentina and England over the Falkland Islands.

1. China will only take it when they put it on a silver platter. Or the owner will be in a coma.
2. Unnecessary event for anyone. And their graters are permanent.
3. If the owner is in a coma, they are more likely to peacefully unite. Both sides have a lot to gain. A united Korea with an economy and nuclear weapons is cooler than Japan.
4. Britain has a lot of problems to butt for the Falklands.

[rocket757]

Spanish press: US will force Ukraine to sign new Minsk agreements that will not be implemented

. It looks like the consequences of the next peace initiatives of the Kremlin will inspire many to....but what to inspire then???

[cniza]

Good time!

There will be no more semblance of Minsk agreements, as this is just a postponed war ...

[former soldier]

Good time! hi

There will be no more semblance of Minsk agreements, as this is just a postponed war ...

So everything will be arranged in a completely different way - with the participation of the first persons, oath promises and maybe even kisses. Stanislavsky himself will believe with Nemirovich-Danchenko.

[cniza]

So Moscow is unlikely to step on the same rake twice, the peace agreement, in the end, will still be signed, but on Russian terms.

On our terms, they will not sign, and this is not profitable for us until we finish off all the fascists ...

[Skorin]

Quote: VlR

And here, by the way, a very interesting and "uncomfortable" question arises: what did Putin and Lavrov do, what kind of policy were they pursuing in Ukraine? .

Hand on heart, what could Russia offer Ukraine that Ukraine did not have? What image of the future could Russia create so that its neighbors would reach out to it? A more equitable distribution of national wealth?...More humane oligarchs? Incorruptible judiciary or low corruption? At times higher standard of living or income of the bulk of the population? The Ukrainian political nation as a whole has taken shape, its financial and industrial capital has realized its interests and, in general, has no interest in sharing its "cow" with its Russian "colleagues", i.e. country that they can milk themselves. And the population of Ukraine, seeing what was happening in Russia, also did not really want to live under the conditional Abramovichs.

[Alexga]

And the population of Ukraine, seeing what was happening in Russia, also did not really want to live under the conditional Abramovichs.

The population of Ukraine was engaged in the division of their benefits no less than in Russia. And there were more conditional Abramovichs in percentage terms in Ukraine.

[russian_bruin]

Quote: Skorin

And the population of Ukraine, seeing what was happening in Russia, also did not really want to live under the conditional Abramovichs.

And why a considerable number of Ukrainians, even from the Zapadenschina, went to work in Russia. Why did they come here if Ukraine is so bad?

[Cats]

Spanish press: US will force Ukraine to sign new Minsk agreements that will not be implemented

Yes, who would doubt it!

[Alex242]

The United States will try to force Ukraine to sign new agreements that Kyiv will not comply with, something like new Minsk agreements. Fabrizio Casari, a columnist for the Spanish edition of Rebelión, came to this conclusion.

Well, this is still in the minds of the amers, maybe .....