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How almost the entire command of the Pacific Fleet of the USSR died in a plane crash

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How almost the entire command of the Pacific Fleet of the USSR died in a plane crash

The plane crash that occurred on February 7, 1981 in Pushkin, unlike other incidents of a similar plan, was included in history far from due to the number of dead, although there were a lot of them - all 44 passengers and 6 crew members. The significance was somewhat different: not ordinary citizens were on board the aircraft, but almost the entire high command of the Pacific fleet THE USSR. Thirteen admirals, three generals, eleven captains of the first rank, as well as seventeen more people - lower military ranks and civilians. All of them became victims of the tragedy, the cause of which, given the rank of the passengers, could be sabotage. But in reality, everything turned out differently.


High-ranking company on the plane


The catastrophe itself at the Pushkin military airfield in the Leningrad Region is quite well known, although the details of it were kept secret for a long time. But for the uninitiated reader, you need to make a small digression to make it clear why the Pacific in such a composition ended up in Leningrad, thousands of kilometers from their native land.

In short, there is such a thing as command and staff exercises. From the ordinary teachings we are accustomed to seeing in the news, they differ in that no large-scale maneuvers of troops on land, sea and in the air are carried out. This is a kind of exam for the command, during which, using the example of conditional situations, the degree of interaction of the highest commanding ranks, the correctness of their decisions, and so on, are checked. In general, as they say, "table wars" for the generals.

In early February 1981, just such exercises - for the fleets of the USSR - were held at the Leningrad Naval Academy under the command of the commander of the Navy, Sergei Georgievich Gorshkov.

Naval Academy today
Naval Academy today

All the top naval commanders flew to the gathering. The Pacific Fleet was no exception. His delegation, which arrived on February 1, consisted of 39 people:

Commander of the Pacific Fleet (Pacific Fleet) Admiral E. N. Spiridonov
Vice Admiral R. A. Golosov, Chief of Staff of the Pacific Fleet
Commander of the 4th Submarine Flotilla, Vice Admiral V. G. Belashev
Vice-Admiral V. D. Sabaneev, Head of the Political Department of the Pacific Fleet
Commander of the Primorsky Flotilla of the RS Pacific Fleet, Vice Admiral V. F. Tikhonov
Rear Admiral V. Kh. Konovalov, Head of the 3rd Directorate of the Navy of the Far East Troops
Deputy Commander for Combat Training, Rear Admiral V. Ya. Korban
Head of Intelligence Rear Admiral G. F. Leonov
Submarine Squadron Commander Rear Admiral V.P. Makhlai
Deputy Chief of Staff of the Pacific Fleet, Rear Admiral F. A. Mitrofanov
Member of the military council and head of the political department of Sakhalin Rear Admiral V. A. Nikolaev
Deputy Commander of the 4th Submarine Flotilla of the Pacific Fleet, Rear Admiral R. I. Pirozhkov
Rear Admiral V. S. Postnikov, Head of the Political Department of the Primorsky Flotilla of the RS Pacific Fleet
Head of Department of the 10th Operational Squadron, Rear Admiral D. K. Chulkov
Commander of the Pacific Fleet Air Force, Lieutenant General G. V. Pavlov
First Deputy Commander of the Pacific Fleet Air Force Major General S. G. Danilko
Head of the Political Department of the Air Force of the Pacific Fleet, Major General V. V. Rykov

Already from the status of the posts alone, it becomes clear that the entire "heavyweight composition" of the Pacific Oceans has gathered.

In addition to the top, there were eleven captains of the first, second and third ranks, as well as twelve other military ranks, including even a midshipman and a senior sailor.

There were also six civilians who, of course, were not involved in the exercises. Among them: the wife of the commander of the Pacific Fleet, V.P. Spiridonov, the wife of the first secretary of the Primorsky Territory Executive Committee, the typist of the operational department of the headquarters of the Pacific Fleet, the daughter of the chief of fleet communications, the son and wife of the head of supply of the Primorsky Territory Executive Committee.

The latter, with the exception of the typist, arrived in Leningrad for quite clear reasons - the second capital of the USSR, the opportunity to "see the world", buy scarce goods, and so on.

Catastrophe


The exercises, according to the results of which the Pacific Oceanians were recognized as the best and received personal gratitude from the commander of the Navy Gorshkov, lasted less than a week. Therefore, on February 7, the return flight Pushkin - Vladivostok was scheduled. At the same time, the chief of staff of Golosov refused to return with everyone, because he decided to go with the command of the Northern Fleet to Murmansk, where he had numerous relatives.

It was to fly on the Tu-104. Naturally, the plane did not belong to Aeroflot, but to the 25th Naval Missile aviation division named after Hero of the USSR Ostryakov, which was part of the Pacific Fleet. Its crew consisted of six people under the command of 51-year-old Lieutenant Colonel A. Inyushin, an extremely experienced pilot who had flown 8150 flight hours during his career, of which 5730 hours on the Tu-104.

And, as they say, nothing foreshadowed trouble. "Carcass" - the plane, although very capricious and problematic, but the crew was quite qualified, and the weather, despite the snowfall, was quite normal. In general, there was not even a hint of an approaching catastrophe.

At about 16:00, when the luggage had already been loaded and all the passengers sat down in their seats, the aircraft commander Inyushin took the plane to the runway and, after receiving permission to take off, proceeded to the standard procedure for accelerating. However, events soon began to develop in a completely unpredictable way.

Still not really accelerating, the Tu-104 abruptly took off from the ground and began to reach supercritical angles of attack, or, simply speaking, began to lift the nose up too much. One might think that the pilots decided to flaunt their skills in front of the military who were at the airfield, but such a maneuver on the Tu-104, and even at low speed, could only be done by a suicide. In this flight mode, even the most balanced and stable aircraft will quickly go into a stall, not to mention the Carcass. This is what happened.

Schematic representation of the takeoff and subsequent fall of the Tu-104
Schematic representation of the takeoff and subsequent fall of the Tu-104

Eyewitnesses who were at the airport at that moment described what was happening as a cross hovering in the sky, since the aircraft, having reached a height of about 50 meters, took an almost vertical position in the air, and then began to roll onto the right wing. The situation was aggravated by a rather strong headwind, which only contributed to the roll.

Well, then there was a predictable end. The Tu-104 began to fall rapidly and, turning over, crashed flat on the ground a few dozen meters from the runway and immediately caught fire.

Photos of those killed in a plane crash
Photos of those killed in a plane crash

The fire from tons of spilled fuel for a long time did not allow them to approach the wreckage and help the victims. However, most likely, there was already no one to save - the force of impact on the ground was too great. 43 passengers and all six crew members died on the spot. Another passenger died on the way to the hospital. They were Senior Lieutenant Valentin Zubarev. At the time of the collision, he was next to the pilots and was literally thrown out through the glass of the forward cockpit of the navigator. Thus, no one survived.

Sabotage?


To say that the catastrophe caused a shock in the military and political leadership of the Soviet Union would be an understatement. Indeed, even during the years of World War II, the USSR lost ten admirals, of which only four died directly in combat conditions. And here, literally in a second, thirteen admirals and three generals at once - almost all the top leadership of the Pacific Fleet and its Air Force, with the exception of the chief of staff Golosov, who decided to fly on another flight.

In the Cold War, the most combat-ready Soviet fleet is decapitated - these inputs quickly led to the initial conclusion of a planned sabotage. The Pacific has even been placed on full alert in the event of an invasion by NATO forces. But gradually the version began to crumble.

The crew of the aircraft consisted of fully verified people - not a single civilian, all the military from the state of the fleet. Yes, and on the military airfield Pushkin, which in itself was guarded quite strongly, and during the days of the stay of the highest ranks - especially strongly, outsiders could not get. Not to mention all sorts of fictions, but such periodically pop up, as if the saboteur hid in the cabin of the aircraft.

Rudolf Alexandrovich Golosov is the only one from the Pacific team who refused to fly on the ill-fated flight
Rudolf Alexandrovich Golosov is the only one from the Pacific team who refused to fly on the ill-fated flight

Although it should be noted that the shadow of suspicion still fell on the chief of staff Rudolf Golosov, they say, the death of the fleet commander was even beneficial for him, since he could take his place. Yes, and his behavior at first looked strange: he took it and refused to fly with the others. But later his alibi was confirmed - in the north he really had numerous relatives and even a daughter, to whom he, taking the opportunity, went.

In the end, the option of committing sabotage on the Tu-104 was completely dismissed.

Simple banality


There was also a version about errors in piloting the aircraft. Yes, the aircraft commander was indeed a very experienced pilot with great experience. But the Tu-104 is a very difficult and problematic car. It was not for nothing that he held the palm among Soviet aircraft in terms of the ratio of accidents to the number of units produced, and the flight safety on it almost completely depended on the professionalism of the pilots. Here, even the most hardened pilot can make a mistake or lose control of the situation.

In addition, it turned out that the 25th missile-carrying aviation division, which included both the crew and the aircraft, was, as they say now, a court combat formation. Checks of the personnel of its units were infrequent and sometimes were purely formal.

But the liner and all the people on board were not killed by the pilots. Moreover, from the memoirs of R. Golosov, it is known that the flight recorders recorded: at the moment of takeoff from the ground, the crew did not even touch the steering wheel.

The fault was the cargo that the high officials decided to take with them from Leningrad.

At that time, a total shortage of food and non-food products reigned in the country. Of course, no one died of hunger, but it was extremely difficult to get something that did not belong to the basic needs. Especially when it came to large and significant purchases.

Despite the fact that admirals and ranks of a lower rank still possessed some and very significant blat in this matter, the Far East itself was not supplied very well. Therefore, the flight to Leningrad was a convenient opportunity to buy and bring home something scarce. This played a cruel joke.


On the return flight, the "admiral" Tu-104 was stuffed with luggage to the brim. In the luggage compartment, according to some sources, they loaded several furniture sets, two or three rolls of printing paper for the needs of the fleet, weighing half a ton each, televisions, as well as many smaller items, including even boxes of oranges.

The plane turned out to be heavily overloaded, and this begs the question: how could the crew even allow such a situation? The answer is very simple and lies in large shoulder straps. It is in civil aviation that pilots are the main ones on board. But admirals and generals as passengers, at best, can remain silent on all the requests of the crew, and at worst ... In general, you can not even speak. No commander to them, even a lieutenant colonel, not a decree. Not always and not everywhere, but it happened, and it still happens now.

This was confirmed by the commander of the Tu-104, Lieutenant Colonel Inyushin, who, long before the disaster, wrote complaints that his plane was constantly flying with a large overload, carrying large furniture, refrigerators, washing machines, and so on.

Overloading itself, of course, can cause a plane crash, but two more factors led to the events of February 7, 1981: a considerable part of the heavy luggage was placed in the tail section of the aircraft, thereby shifting its center of gravity, and they did not bother to securely fasten the rest of the cargo.

Therefore, according to one of the versions closest to reality, when the plane began its takeoff run along the runway, the rolls of printing paper weighing half a ton each, which were closer to the center, fell off their seats and rolled into the tail section, which created even greater imbalance. As a result, the Tu-104, still not really accelerating, took off from the ground and began to uncontrollably reach supercritical angles of attack and, soaring into the sky, collapsed down. In such a situation, nothing depended on the pilots - none of their actions could have prevented the catastrophe.

Aftermath


The tragedy in Pushkin was a really terrible blow both for the USSR Ministry of Defense in general and for the Pacific Fleet in particular. The death of so many admirals and generals became a kind of gloomy record from which it was necessary to draw the right conclusions. And they were made, although not all of them succumbed to logic.

So, for example, the USSR Ministry of Defense finally abandoned the use of the Tu-104 - the most emergency in terms of the ratio of the number of incidents to the number of aircraft produced. Even Aeroflot, with all the brakes of bureaucracy and funding, moved away from the operation of these machines almost two years before these events.

Decrees were also issued that forbade high-ranking commanders from flying with their deputies and obligated these passengers to strictly obey the requirements of aircraft crews, regardless of rank and title. In addition, rules governing the weighing and securing of luggage have been introduced. The only question is whether all this was observed in practice.

Only now they went too far with the search for the perpetrators. In principle, it is clear that the cause of this disaster is not in technology and not in the crew's mistakes. It is a chain of events that collectively led to what happened. But it was necessary to find the last one, as is customary with us. They were made by Colonel A. Yakovlev from the management of the 25th missile-carrying aviation division, which owned the crashed Tu-104. Of course, they didn’t put him in jail, but they removed him from his post.

Monument to those who died in a plane crash on February 7, 1981 at the Serafimovsky cemetery in St. Petersburg
Monument to those who died in a plane crash on February 7, 1981 at the Serafimovsky cemetery in St. Petersburg

And, of course, all information about the crash was completely classified. All that was available from information to the general public was a small note on the penultimate page of one of the issues of the Krasnaya Zvezda newspaper. Even relatives who came to the funeral in Leningrad (most of the dead were buried there) were under an obligation not to tell anyone why and where they were going. In general, a typical practice of hushing up, which does not make it possible to draw conclusions from what happened, so that such stories do not repeat themselves.
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  1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka 8 January 2023 04: 31
    +14
    I feel sorry for the people and the plane. Looking at the events of almost half a century ago, I can state only one thing - I doubt that something has changed in the modern army. Only today, "scarce" goods fly not from St. Petersburg, but from Vladik.
    Only one solution may help to avoid such tragedies - use the services of Aeroflot. laughing
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 8 January 2023 05: 24
      +4
      events almost half a century ago
      My friend, "cut the sturgeon"!
    2. Alien From
      Alien From 8 January 2023 12: 49
      +4
      To be honest, I and the planes are NI NI, but if you feel like it, only Aeroflot and foreign aircraft. In the Union I trusted / flew only on IL 86, it was a cool and safe car, now there are no such
      1. AAK
        AAK 8 January 2023 16: 49
        +7
        In the summer of 1969, as a second-grader, I flew a Tu-104 from Simferopol to Moscow, the impressions were unforgettable in terms of noise, especially since our seats were right next to the exhaust tract of the engine, plus the vibration is quite noticeable, in short - darkness ... Moreover, comparing according to later flights, neither the Tu-134 nor the Tu-154 were even close to the Il-86 ...
        As for the overload and "shoulder pressure", it is enough to recall a quite recent case with the death of the entire composition of the Alexandrov ensemble ... and EMNIP - Tu was again ...
        1. Stepan S
          Stepan S 9 January 2023 21: 22
          +2
          quite a recent case with the death of the entire composition of the Alexandrov Ensemble ...

          In 50 years, this catastrophe will also be declassified and it will turn out that it is very similar to the catastrophe with the Pacific Ocean, but it is customary for us to shut up, not let it go, and again step on the rake. The tragedy in Makiivka is from the same category.
    3. Fat
      Fat 8 January 2023 21: 50
      +2
      hi Vlad, I do not intend to discuss gossip, even disastrous (I sympathize with the families of the victims). What is described could well be. But even after many years. I would never play on the deaths of people - this is immoral. and... Eh... I'm not a Pole mourning for the Polish president who died from the general Polish sloppiness, or even malicious intent (freedom, democracy et cetera)... But having met by chance in the "toit" world, I'll say. You are wrong, bro, Lech Kaczynski with his family and entourage, it is not you who should be the loser among those flying to the ceremony, but your cunningly (jo ..) wise fratello, who beat this human tragedy ....
    4. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 15 January 2023 22: 17
      0
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      Only one solution may help to avoid such tragedies - use the services of Aeroflot

      In a situation where Western companies refused to service and supply spare parts, it becomes scary. In addition, software blocking is possible. So Bosch took and turned off all software at service stations. Only those who have not been updated remain.
  2. 28st region
    28st region 8 January 2023 04: 50
    +15
    Not just rolls of paper. Plus passenger accommodation. In the bow, several people were in command, the rest were driven into the tail. This alone disturbed the alignment of not the largest aircraft.
  3. Luminman
    Luminman 8 January 2023 04: 57
    +16
    And, of course, all information about the crash was completely classified. All that was available from was a small note from one of the issues of the Krasnaya Zvezda newspaper

    Wow, it was classified that even the "Red Star" published.
    PS Being a cadet, in 1983 they did an internship at one of the airfields in the Far East, so even grandmothers selling greens on the streets talked about it ... wink
  4. Just a guest
    Just a guest 8 January 2023 05: 06
    +4
    Thanks to the author for not talking about oranges.
    But here's what's not clear.
    Suppose the crew knew about the overload. Then even more so. Why was the cargo not secured tightly? Do you want to say that the rules for securing cargo did not exist then? I doubt.
    And just curious - was it really impossible to stop the takeoff? Why?
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 8 January 2023 06: 44
      +14
      Quote: Just a guest
      was it really impossible to stop the takeoff? Why?

      Due to a strong overload and a disturbed alignment, on takeoff, the plane sat on its tail, took off from the ground itself, the take-off speed was very different from the permissible one. According to all the laws of aerodynamics, the plane crashed.
    2. Luminman
      Luminman 8 January 2023 06: 59
      -6
      Quote: Just a guest
      Suppose the crew knew about the overload

      Yes, there was no overload! The ship's commander will still allow loading several "left" boxes of oranges, boxes of chocolates, some Japanese equipment or taking his wife to a resort, this is a normal practice of those years, but he will never allow such a crazy overload! Even if all the marshals and admirals, headed by the Minister of Defense himself, will sit in the salon ...
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 8 January 2023 07: 19
        +15
        Quote: Luminman
        Even if all the marshals and admirals, led by the Minister of Defense himself, will sit in the cabin
        After that, on the same day, he will cease to be a commander.
        1. Luminman
          Luminman 8 January 2023 08: 18
          -11
          Quote: Dart2027
          After that, on the same day, he will cease to be a commander.

          Did you read this in some liberal newspaper? wink
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 8 January 2023 15: 36
            +5
            Quote: Luminman
            read in some liberal newspaper

            No, it's just that in real life, admirals, generals and ministers really don't like it when they argue with them. There are, of course, curiosities, but rarely.
          2. Catfish
            Catfish 8 January 2023 15: 53
            +6
            liberal newspaper


            Aggravation again? Are these here? belay
            1. Luminman
              Luminman 8 January 2023 17: 29
              -2
              Quote: Sea Cat
              These are here and

              And who experiences an orgasm from even the smallest failures of our country?
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 8 January 2023 23: 38
                +2
                Regarding all kinds of orgasms, you are the main one here and, judging by the pluses, not the only specialist. laughing
          3. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 15 January 2023 22: 26
            0
            Quote: Luminman
            Did you read this in some liberal newspaper?

            This is repeated many times. The same Kochinsky ordered the pilots to fly despite bad weather conditions. Planes fell and will fall. But not so long ago, the Tu-154B-2 crashed with the Academic Song and Dance Ensemble of the Russian Army. 2016. In November 2019, the investigation The causes of the disaster were completed, but its results were classified. According to international media, from 1994 to 2016, there were 17 air crashes involving Tu-154 aircraft (most of them due to the human factor), they killed 1760 people.
        2. Vic Vic
          Vic Vic 8 January 2023 10: 50
          +4
          "After which, on the same day, he will cease to be a commander."
          And he himself will remain alive and save the lives of others
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 8 January 2023 15: 37
            +5
            Quote from vicvic
            he himself will remain alive and save the lives of others

            Himself yes, but others will still wring their necks a little later.
        3. The comment was deleted.
      2. your1970
        your1970 8 January 2023 17: 46
        +7
        Quote: Luminman
        Yes, there was no overload! The ship's commander will still allow loading several "left" boxes of oranges, boxes of chocolates, some Japanese equipment, or taking his wife to a resort, this is a normal practice of those years, but he will never allow such a crazy overload!

        A set, a soft corner and 8 kg of strawberries from Penza were brought to the Mi 200 in 1995. The furniture of the regiment commander, strawberries were ordered by the commanders. The board was back-to-back packed with containers ..
  5. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 8 January 2023 05: 13
    +23
    Quote: Just a guest
    just curious - was it really impossible to stop the takeoff? Why?

    The same question could have been asked to the crew of the Polish plane that crashed in Smolensk ... when the drunken leadership of Poland decided to steer the plane ignoring the objections of the pilots ... the stupidity of the passengers won.
    1. Alien From
      Alien From 8 January 2023 12: 59
      +6
      That's who whom, but these utyrks are not sorry, sorry for the native Smolensk birch!
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 9 January 2023 10: 41
      +3
      Moreover, in 2008, the PIC Grzegorz Pietruczuk decided to challenge the highest opinion of Kaczynski and did not land the presidential plane in Tbilisi. After that, despite the fact that his actions were recognized as fully appropriate to the situation, he was still removed from flights of special importance.
    3. Grancer81
      Grancer81 10 January 2023 18: 30
      0
      Not only to them ... For example, to the crew of the helicopter on which Lieutenant General A. Lebed died ... In general, generals who have never been pilots or not from aviation at all think that the Flight Rules are a toilet paper book. ..
  6. cast iron
    cast iron 8 January 2023 05: 18
    -4
    The author, please explain to me how the classification (and was there any classification) of the death of the Pacific Fleet command will reduce flight safety? How will the conclusions made by Uncle Vasya, when looking through the morning press, in which the tragedy is mentioned, increase the overall level of flight safety in Civil Aviation? Or maybe, out of your naivety, you decided that such mistakes are not sorted out in flight schools when training pilots? Or maybe you think that the center of the aircraft does not understand how to load the luggage of the aircraft so that it does not fall off during takeoff? You lack causality in your conclusions and formal logic. The declassification of the disaster for the inhabitants in general will not affect flight safety in any way, because the inhabitants will not affect the situation in any way. Yes, they are not competent in 99%.
    1. Edward Perov
      8 January 2023 05: 33
      +7
      The author, please explain to me how the classification (and was there any classification) of the death of the Pacific Fleet command will reduce flight safety?

      It will increase flight safety not being known among newspaper readers and other ordinary people. The question is in the interaction of ministries and other things. One did not know what was happening in the other.

      No, of course, you can say that all ministries were notified online of all disasters. I will say the opposite smile
      1. cast iron
        cast iron 8 January 2023 07: 11
        +2
        Ministries do not need to know what is happening on a particular flight. On a particular flight, the Air Force Commander himself decided his own fate and the fate of the passengers, taking responsibility for taking off with overload. There are other options: 1) when the actual information about the weight of the luggage and cargo loading and their distribution among the trunks was stupidly not reported to the crew. And they centered on the wrong information. And it smells like a criminal case. As I understand it from the article, no criminal cases were opened. This means that the current information about the loading of the KVS was transferred.
        2) During takeoff, some heavy cargo broke off the floor and flew into the tail from the center section, thereby sharply creating a moment on the tail and, together with the stabilizers on takeoff, brought the aircraft to an outrageous angle. There are questions to the one who moored the cargo and to the reliability of fasteners. There were no criminal cases. Hushed up? Or was there no evidence? Perhaps.
      2. Fat
        Fat 9 January 2023 01: 52
        +5
        Quote: Eduard Perov
        The question is in the interaction of ministries and other things. One did not know what was happening in the other.

        This is the truth as it is. Quite by accident I heard a message on the Mayak radio on April 26, 1986 - a nuclear power plant near the city of Pripyat was on fire. And that's all ... No more "body movements". He broke from vacation to a unit near Kuznetsk ... And in Penza - silence - everyone is preparing for May Day ...
        I was normally frightened only when I reported the arrival to the company commander ... He asked - how he rested - he said ... He did not believe it! And where is this?! - I served on the "periscope" ... There was secrecy .... Either no one knows anything (I doubt it) ... Or they were silent like fish .... And the radio continued to calmly respond to requests from radio listeners ...
    2. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 8 January 2023 05: 36
      +1
      Quote: cast iron
      The declassification of the disaster for the townsfolk will not affect flight safety in any way, because the townsfolk will not affect the situation in any way. Yes, they are not competent in 99%.

      But the safety of this flight was still violated despite the mass of regulatory documents and safety requirements ... a paradox.
      1. cast iron
        cast iron 8 January 2023 06: 57
        +1
        There is no paradox. Elderberry in the garden, and uncle in Kyiv. Once again, the declassification of the tragedy for the townsfolk does not make any sense in terms of improving flight safety. Among professionals and people in the subject, information about the causes of incidents was brought to 100%.
    3. Luminman
      Luminman 8 January 2023 06: 45
      -4
      Quote: cast iron
      The author, please explain to me how the classification (and was there any classification) of the death of the Pacific Fleet command will reduce flight safety?

      I'm not the author, but I'll try to explain. The publication of the true cause of the disaster will not allow the potential adversary to find out what is really happening in Soviet aviation and correctly assess the flaws and weaknesses in the aircraft design. And based on this, I’m sure that the whole topic with the reloading of the aircraft is complete nonsense ...

      P.S. And many thanks to the author for such a forgotten topic ...
    4. Iris
      Iris 8 January 2023 15: 20
      +1
      You ask questions to a person who just took an article from Wikipedia and reworked it a bit. As a result, I received a fee and the topic was closed.
  7. Edward Vashchenko
    Edward Vashchenko 8 January 2023 05: 20
    0
    At that time, a total shortage of food and non-food products reigned in the country. Of course, no one died of hunger, but it was extremely difficult to get something that did not belong to the basic needs.

    Didn't they die of hunger? Seriously.
    What basic necessities items were out of stock in 1981? Bread?
    Why write this? What is the total deficit? Three rolls of printing paper, half a ton each? Did you decide to eat it?
    How many headsets were loaded that they gave an advantage?
    Payload Tu-104: 12000 kg. Rolls were 4500 kg. People approximately 3540 kg. More headsets for 5000 kg. loaded?
    SEE: https://topwar.ru/100728-60-let-nazad-sovershil-pervyy-regularnyy-reys-sovetskiy-passazhirskiy-layner-tu-104.html
    1. cast iron
      cast iron 8 January 2023 05: 33
      +11
      If for some reason the rolls fell off the mooring places and rolled into the tail during the separation of the aircraft from the runway, then the aircraft will get cranks.
      1. Ilya22558
        Ilya22558 9 January 2023 15: 44
        0
        Moreover, according to National Geographic, in the Air Crash Investigation program, they considered a similar case, only there a 747 Boeing was killed by a poorly secured Hummer. The conclusion was unequivocal: the sudden movement of a heavy load to the tail leaves no chance for the aircraft to survive.
    2. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 8 January 2023 05: 34
      +3
      Three rolls of printing paper, half a ton each? ...... Rolls were 4500 kg.
      My respect, Edward!
      In your comment, the numbers "do not beat".
      1. Edward Perov
        8 January 2023 05: 50
        +6
        Three rolls of printing paper, half a ton each? ...... Rolls were 4500 kg

        I didn't write that comment. If there is a source with a first and last name, which points to almost 5 tons of paper, write. I will correct the text of the article.
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 8 January 2023 06: 07
          +1
          My comment was not addressed to you, Author. Follow the "arrows" in the upper left corner of the message.
          1. Edward Perov
            8 January 2023 06: 13
            +7
            My comment was not addressed to you, Author. Follow the "arrows" in the upper left corner of the message.

            The design of the site is such that from a mobile phone all these arrows are lined up in a single row, so it’s impossible to understand anything. Yes, and your "my respect" together with "the numbers do not beat" do not add clarity without quotes from each of the addressees. So you can mix it up without any problem.

            And about the fact that the rolls weighed more: the question is open. If anyone has such information, please let me know. Already addressed to everyone.
          2. Edward Perov
            8 January 2023 06: 48
            +6
            My comment was not addressed to you, Author. Follow the "arrows" in the upper left corner of the message

            Stop, I'm sorry. You turned to another Edward. Received at my own expense.
      2. Edward Vashchenko
        Edward Vashchenko 8 January 2023 06: 44
        0
        Anton,
        good morning. Thank you for your comment.
        Then all the more so because they loaded 8000 kg there. superfluous if all rolls are 1500 kg.? Headsets, TVs, frying pans or refrigerators? Who was the command carrying all this junk? By this time they had nothing, empty apartments.
        Tu-104 is a civilian aircraft, what could unhook and move from what? From tail to nose or vice versa? The model is old, maybe this is the reason?
    3. Edward Perov
      8 January 2023 05: 38
      +10
      Didn't they die of hunger? Seriously.
      What basic necessities items were out of stock in 1981? Bread?

      Do you even read what you quote? They quoted my words that there was no shortage of basic needs, and then you ask what basic things were missing.

      Furniture sets, TV sets and so on - not the most complete list of shortages that that Tu104 carried. There, the commander himself, now deceased, complained more than once. Didn't they bring bread? winked
    4. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 8 January 2023 06: 14
      +12
      I join in the bewilderment, and let me remind you that ALL warriors of ALL countries drag all sorts of military vehicles into their nest, regardless of the "total deficit" or "economic prosperity".
      1. Edward Perov
        8 January 2023 06: 17
        +2
        I join in the bewilderment, and let me remind you that ALL warriors of ALL countries drag everything into their nest by military transport ...

        good morning, that's right recourse
      2. Luminman
        Luminman 8 January 2023 06: 39
        +3
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        ALL warriors of ALL countries drag everything into their nest by military transport

        And how dragged from Germany! How dragged! There were no customs, no restrictions on the amount of imported goods. Load whatever you want on the plane and take it...
        1. Grancer81
          Grancer81 10 January 2023 18: 34
          0
          And they were transporting, even as they were transporting, everything that could be transported ... A board came from Germany, and from it a convoy of cars ...
      3. Sergey250455
        Sergey250455 8 January 2023 13: 23
        +6
        In 1989, he accompanied cargo from Semipalatinsk to Bezrechnaya, then the Buryat Republic, to the air defense airfield. The crew in Novosibirsk loaded up with Pepsi-Cola. Everything was sold in Bezrechnaya. And from Bezrechnaya they loaded compotes, condensed milk and coffee. As they said, before that they flew to Tashkent and transported tires for cars to Novosibirsk. Each of the crew received 4 tires. It was a common thing in the transport aviation of the Air Force
      4. Sergey Valov
        Sergey Valov 10 January 2023 22: 20
        0
        “They drag all sorts of military vehicles into their nest” - it’s true! According to my father’s stories, the air defense workers from Krasnovodsk captured the donkey for the fun of the kids in the middle lane, I personally, as a student on the military An-12, flew from Moscow to Transbaikalia ..., however, I had to go back with Aeroflot.
    5. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 15 January 2023 22: 39
      0
      Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
      Payload Tu-104: 12000 kg

      Sorry, but the wiki has other data:
      empty weight-42800 kg
      mass of fuel-26500 kg those in total-69000 or am I stupid?
      Maximum takeoff-74500 kg. those on the load remains 5500 kg.
  8. wlkw
    wlkw 8 January 2023 06: 53
    +6
    In the glove-box 90s, this problem also rose to its full height. Then the AN-22 crashed with an overload of 20 tons. It was full of all sorts of unaccounted for, stuffed junk even on the cargo hatch, after it was closed. Well, the crew did not quite have the qualifications to pilot an overloaded aircraft. They did everything right, but if it were not for these 20 tons.
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 8 January 2023 15: 37
      +4
      Then the AN-22 crashed with an overload of 20 tons. It was full of all sorts of unaccounted for, stuffed junk even on the cargo hatch, after it was closed.
      At the beginning of the XNUMXs, a system was made in our office that determined the load of the aircraft and its center of mass based on the data of strain gauges directly at the airfield. But the system was not accepted into the series, and indeed even into trial operation - there were too many opponents.
  9. yuriy55
    yuriy55 8 January 2023 06: 57
    +7
    Despite the fact that admirals and ranks of a lower rank still possessed some and very significant blat in this matter, the Far East itself was not supplied very well. Therefore, the flight to Leningrad was a convenient opportunity to buy and bring home something scarce. This played a cruel joke.

    We were read the order about what had happened.
    * * *
    Yes ... What was - it was. I saw how the luggage of the inspectors was sent. How military planes flew in from the north of the Murmansk region with the “tops” of commissions, inspections, “a circle of limited officers” and tails, salmon, halibut, tea and coffee, baskets of lingonberries and other food. The rest were on the train home...
    * * *
    The memories are very bad. Even sad ones. It was the end of the Soviet era.
  10. Zadok
    Zadok 8 January 2023 07: 04
    -2
    Pushkin is not the Leningrad region, but quite a district of the city, at that time Leningrad.
    1. Waterways 672
      Waterways 672 8 January 2023 08: 25
      +6
      Pushkin is the Leningrad region, located at a distance of 25 km from St. Petersburg. Been there often before.
      As for the shortage - there was no shortage for officers of this rank. Many goods were cheaper and were not considered a shortage, for example, red caviar. Citrus fruits were sold on every corner, and if you take into account the level of salaries ... From the memoirs of a KTOF officer.

      In the photo: Commander of the KTOF Admiral EN Spiridonov and Vice Admiral D Sabaneev six months before their death. 08-80
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 9 January 2023 10: 55
        +1
        Quote: Waterways 672
        Pushkin is the Leningrad region, located at a distance of 25 km from St. Petersburg.

        The city of Pushkin, then called Detskoye Selo, was transferred to the Leningrad City Council in 1936. By the way, in the same year, Peterhof was also transferred to the Leningrad City Council. In 1953 Pavlovsk joined them. But Gatchina remained a regional city.
        So not everything located behind the signs "Leningrad" was a region. As part of Leningrad (and St. Petersburg) there were and are cities and districts that seem to be geographically related to the region, but administratively - no. What to do - the features of the city, which is a separate subject of the federation.
  11. Amateur
    Amateur 8 January 2023 07: 19
    -1
    Take the info from Wikipedia, spoil it a little, add a little anti-Soviet and, wow, an article for VO. It's frustrating, but...
  12. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 8 January 2023 07: 31
    +1
    Fir-trees! And I had to fly the Tu-104 ...! If I knew about his "technical capriciousness"! Although ... then it was with aviation. Like with newspapers!
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 8 January 2023 16: 33
      +4
      Tu-104 - the best aircraft
      Tu-104 is not landing
      (on the motive of a funeral march, from folk art)


      Unfortunately, the Tu-104 has also become known to others - its extremely low reliability. In air crashes, 18% of all issued aircraft were lost, that is, almost one in five did not reach the landing site. A total of 1137 people died. This sad record was exceeded only by the Il-18, but taking into account the raid, the Tu-104 still holds the first place.




      Volodya, hello! drinks
  13. Reader 2013
    Reader 2013 8 January 2023 07: 32
    -1
    They explained to us why a military plane crashed in Sochi in 2016, is it also an overload? Nothing changes
  14. parusnik
    parusnik 8 January 2023 08: 01
    +1
    How almost the entire command of the Pacific Fleet of the USSR died in a plane crash
    Consequences of deficiency
  15. north 2
    north 2 8 January 2023 08: 19
    -1
    it would not be worth deceiving people now that in 1981 there was a total shortage throughout the USSR. As here
    write in the article. Perhaps in the Far East, yes. But there was a total fashion, if anything
    if you don’t bring it from Moscow or Leningrad, then why did you go there at all! They will look like the last loser. Can you imagine the reaction of wives, mothers-in-law and everyone else in the garrison if you arrive from Leningrad only with documents in your briefcases ....
  16. bandabas
    bandabas 8 January 2023 09: 26
    +2
    Overload "board". The commander was ordered (verbally) to turn a blind eye to the violation - a sad result.
  17. depressant
    depressant 8 January 2023 09: 48
    +7
    In my youth I lived in Abkhazia.
    The military always gathered in the house in the evenings (a military father, his own house, his own wine, chacha). At that time, the very next day after the disaster, even pilots from the airfield located next door arrived. They commemorated the dead, discussed the situation. And they talked about overload, about rolls of printing paper, about furniture sets. I remember that people were talking about this even then on the streets - Abkhazia always knew everything before others, because there was an "entrance" to the Central Committee of the CPSU, knew the details of the catastrophe and perceived them as a weakening of the central government ...
    I remember how my mother was especially indignant about the "rag" component of the load. And the military spoke specifically about the capriciousness, low reliability of Tupolev aircraft ...

    Long decades have passed...
    And what do I know now? And I know that back in Soviet times, exactly what happened with microelectronics happened to our aviation. Namely: active suppression of competitors. Of the several design bureaus, there was always one that turned out to be faster than the others and began to crush the rest, creating hothouse, non-competitive conditions for itself. As a result, the General Designer's demands on himself, on the activities of his design bureau, were weakened, which led to a decrease in the quality of final products with subsequent death of people.

    Tupolev turned out to be the quickest of all.

    Aviation historians attribute the following facts to his unseemly activities in the struggle for the goodwill of the top leaders of the USSR:


    1) sabotage, the defeat of the design bureau and the subsequent execution of the outstanding aircraft designer Konstantin Alekseevich Kalinin;

    2) sabotage, the defeat of the "Stalinist DARPA" and the subsequent execution of Pavel Ignatievich Grokhovsky, not only the creator of the USSR Air Force and Airborne Forces, but also an outstanding inventor;

    3) the persecution and death of the outstanding designer Vladimir Mikhailovich Petlyakov, the creator of aircraft with the familiar indices ANT-1 - ANT-42, including the Chkalovsky ANT-25, bombers TB-1, TB-3 and TB-7;

    4) persecution and defeat of the design bureau of the Russian genius Vladimir Mikhailovich Myasishchev (a student of V. M. Petlyakov), the creator of the M-4 / 3M and M-50, which were much ahead of their time (and Tupolev);

    5) sabotage and persecution of the revolutionary project T-4 ("Sotka") Pavel Osipovich Sukhoi.

    And this is without taking into account the circumstances of the creation of the Tu-4 / Boeing B-29, the similarity of the Tu-104 to the de-Havilland Comet and the mournful accident rate of the Tu-22 and Tu-154 (an unsuccessful copy of the Boeing-727).

    This is how the Tupolev Design Bureau existed, devoid of the spurring circumstances of life in a competitive environment. The consequences, as we see, are tragic.

    URL:
    https://t.me/krpnv/2371
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 8 January 2023 11: 15
      +1
      Quote: depressant
      The consequences, as we see, are tragic.

      Lyudmila Yakovlevna, you have already walked too harshly and unfairly on A.N. Tupolev
      No need to drag furniture sets into the flight and you need to know that flight laws apply to everyone, there are no untouchables. Otherwise, the consequences will be tragic.
      1. depressant
        depressant 8 January 2023 12: 59
        +7
        Vladimir, that's how I talked about what experienced pilots immediately started talking about - overload! And she ran into Tupolev because the situation in the aircraft industry developed just like in microelectronics - back in the 70s - 80s. Exactly in this way, promising own ideas were ruined. There was a series of articles on VO. I read them and grieved. I'm very upset, you understand? I'm a specialized specialist, a microelectronics engineer.
        And one more thing I wanted to emphasize.
        Well, what do you think, members of the Central Committee of the CPSU, the Politburo and even (and especially!) relevant ministers - were they experts in the field of aircraft construction? Were not! Even taking into account the presence of assistants, who were often not particularly qualified either, but came to their positions even then on the principle of negative selection (loyalty to a senior in rank). Therefore, the one that is louder won funding from the design bureau. Like at the Novgorod Veche. In addition, the presence of a competitive environment that required the division of the financial flow into several parts, in the eyes of the elderly leaders of the country, looked like a copy of the competitive environment of the capitalist countries, which seemed ideologically unpleasant.
        Moreover, successful competition in pioneering developments would involuntarily force the population to turn their heads with a dumb question in their eyes towards an almost irremovable leadership. Like, where is your competition?
        I believe, among other things, it was with such monopolistic nuances, the suppression of the competitive environment in the field of advanced developments, that the movement began towards the collapse of a great country. The engineers saw everything. And they were dissatisfied and disappointed.

        And isn't the same thing happening now?
        Remember the argument about what to release? Superjet100 or MS-21? The louder KB won, and what did it result in? In a whole series of accidents that we all witnessed not so long ago! And the MS-21 has only now begun to run in, already looking skeptically at the Superjet, stuffed with foreign parts and electronics, which have now seriously risen in price. MS-21 is stuffed much less ... Could all this be foreseen, based on the fact that the number of sanctions was consistently increasing even then and forced military operations loomed on the horizon?
        And further. Consolidation of several aviation design bureaus into one state corporation - already now!
        It flashed, was distracted by covid, NWO, I forgot, now I remembered, I should read it.
        1. Alien From
          Alien From 8 January 2023 13: 16
          0
          And I completely agree with you! hi Both the situation with TU and the situation with new liners are full of seams and lobbying. A friend flew a Superjet and prayed.......
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 8 January 2023 13: 53
            +2
            Quote: Alien From
            A friend flew a Superjet and prayed.......

            It’s good that your girlfriend didn’t fly on Turkish airlines, that’s where she would have suffered fear - both from the state of the aircraft and from the service on board.
            Superjets, have long been brought, it is a pleasure to fly on them
            1. Korsar4
              Korsar4 8 January 2023 15: 05
              +2
              I flew once. From Kazan. I liked it very much.
            2. Alien From
              Alien From 9 January 2023 02: 10
              -1
              Yes, a friend flew on everything, and his wife and daughter. You can’t explain to children, women themselves know everything ......
            3. Old sergeant
              Old sergeant 15 January 2023 07: 22
              0
              Recently, none of the Turkish aircraft was seen in an accident with a fatal outcome.
              As for the superjet.
              I have flown this product twice. For the first time, I definitely prayed for them to fly.
              The engines are inaudible due to the eerie metallic grinding under the floor. It feels like every part of the plane lives its own life.
              The flight from Kazan to Antalya is still a pleasure on it because of the distance of the flight.
        2. setter
          setter 8 January 2023 15: 24
          +5
          and even (and especially!) profile ministers - were they experts in the field of aircraft construction? Were not!

          Were! Were! Not all, of course. Here is the first, Stalinist minister, during whose time, according to the local audience, outstanding successes were achieved, Khrunichev, graduated from the Ukrainian Industrial Academy and three courses from the All-Union Institute of Business Executives. But the next, Khrushchev, Dementyev, graduated from the Air Force Engineering Academy named after Professor N. E. Zhukovsky. As a practitioner, he went from the head of the workshop of the Moscow Aviation Plant No. 81 to the chief engineer and director of the State Aviation Plant No. 1 (Moscow Aircraft Building Plant).
          Silaev graduated from the Kazan Aviation Institute with a degree in mechanical engineering for aircraft construction and was sent for distribution to the aviation plant named after S. Ordzhonikidze in Gorky, where in just 20 years he went from foreman to plant director, participating in the creation and production of MiG-15 fighters , MiG-17, MiG-19, MiG-21, MiG-25, MiG-31.
          Systsov is a graduate of the Tashkent Polytechnic Institute with a degree in mechanical engineering in aircraft construction. The entire biography is exclusively work in the aircraft industry - from the master to the general director of the Ulyanovsk aviation industrial complex.
          1. depressant
            depressant 8 January 2023 17: 02
            +3
            Were! Were! Not all, of course.

            Powerful, dear Passier! Thanks for the clarification. Glad you.
          2. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 9 January 2023 16: 55
            0
            A little off topic. The merits of Silaev do not negate his unseemly role during the confrontation between the leadership of the USSR and the RSFSR. Although later he retroactively denied his participation in the collapse of the Union.
    2. setter
      setter 8 January 2023 13: 59
      +7
      similarities of the Tu-104 to the dehavilland "Comet"

      "Similarities" in technology in general and aviation in particular must be handled carefully. And it turns out that the "ahead of time" M-4 / 3M is similar to the Vickers Valiant.

      1. setter
        setter 8 January 2023 14: 20
        -1
        And then the turbo-patriotic hamster squeezed a minus sign. The rate of degradation of the website audience, as well as the rate of degradation of content, is amazing.
    3. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 8 January 2023 15: 59
      +5
      Lyudmila Yakovlevna, let me put in my 5 kopecks. Tupolev is a snickering master. First, he pinched Ilyushin, preparing his record-breaking ANT-25 for long-range aviation (with one rifle-caliber machine gun and a speed of 150 km / h). 50 pieces were made. these monsters. The thing is that he got a long range due to a significant wingspan, while the inductive resistance was small. (Inductive drag is formed due to vortices descending from the ends of the wings.) Ilyushin solved the problem of long range not by flying at high angles of attack, but by flying at small angles, but at a relatively high speed of the order of 300 km / h) At the same time, inductive the resistance is not so great. Tupolev did his best to suppress the display of the Ilyushinsky TsKB-26 (prototype of the Il-4, our main ADD bomber). But Ilyushin achieved the fate of his car in the parade, and it completed a dead loop over Red Square. Tupolev harbored rudeness towards Ilyushin - after all, he outplayed him as a more talented designer. After the war, when a jet carrier of atomic weapons was needed, capable of flying to the United States and returning, Tupolev immediately declared that this was impossible. And Myasishchev took it and made his 3M. Again Tupolev sat in a puddle. And as for the Tu-104, its so-called "pickup" at high altitude, leading to disasters, Tupolev at first generally believed that this was not a design defect, but piloting errors. By the way, "Comet" has nothing to do with it at all. And so he was a gentleman, accustomed to the fact that there should be no questions about competence to Zhukovsky's student. I don’t take his pre-war trip to the USA for a license for DC-3, when, as a result of this trip, he sat down in a sharaga, and I had to go for a license again, but without him.
      1. your1970
        your1970 8 January 2023 21: 08
        +3
        Quote: Aviator_
        I don’t take his pre-war trip to the USA for a license for DC-3, when, as a result of this trip, he sat down in a sharaga, and I had to go for a license again, but without him.

        What are you!!!!
        You tie myths to chicken - that there was no corruption and theft in the USSR, and even under Stalin they say there was no at all ...
        In general, of course, an interesting topic - if fellow citizens before the war went over the hill, then for some reason they began to strum the state currency on the left and right uncontrollably
        1. Alien From
          Alien From 9 January 2023 02: 13
          -2
          It is unrestrainedly not accepted here, only with permission wink wink hi
        2. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 9 January 2023 08: 30
          0
          In general, of course, an interesting topic - if fellow citizens before the war went over the hill, then for some reason they began to strum the state currency on the left and right uncontrollably
          Not all. but it happened. As a positive example, the visit of an aviation delegation to Germany in 1940, when I.F. Petrov (then the head of TsAGI) was given an amount of about half a million rubles in foreign currency for the purchase of equipment, as they say. online. Petrov not only managed to buy equipment, but also accelerated the delivery of the latest Luftwaffe vehicles to the USSR. It was our only delegation that almost completed the task.
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 9 January 2023 11: 26
        0
        Quote: Aviator_
        After the war, when a jet carrier of atomic weapons was needed, capable of flying to the United States and returning, Tupolev immediately declared that this was impossible. And Myasishchev took it and made his 3M.

        With a range one and a half times less than that of Tupolev. However, the lack of range and overload were the scourge of almost all Myasishchev's machines.
        And most importantly, by 1955, US air defense, represented by the Nike-Ajax air defense system, had practically nullified the likelihood of any iron carriers breaking through to targets in the United States. Nike-Hercules and the monstrous Bomark were on the way.
        And then the breakthrough of Myasishchev's aircraft played against him - because it turned out to be easier to convert the Tu-95 into an ALCM carrier operating because of the radius of the air defense system.
        1. Sergey Valov
          Sergey Valov 10 January 2023 16: 33
          0
          “Lack of range and overload were the scourge of almost all Myasishchev’s cars” - the lack of range in 3M was rather caused by the lack of a suitable engine in the USSR at that time. And everything else is the misfortune of Myasishchev Design Bureau, which was first accelerated, then created from scratch ... Lack of continuity, schools - a terrible thing.
      3. Sergey Valov
        Sergey Valov 10 January 2023 16: 28
        0
        “Again, Tupolev sat in a puddle” - in this particular case, everything is exactly the opposite. 3M did not reach the range, and the Tu-95 turned out to be a great car. And yet, yes - the engines on the Tu-95 are jet.
        1. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 15 January 2023 22: 48
          0
          Quote: Sergey Valov
          And yet, yes - the engines on the Tu-95 are jet.

          In the sense of jet? He has turboprop
    4. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 9 January 2023 11: 17
      0
      Quote: depressant
      1) sabotage, the defeat of the design bureau and the subsequent execution of the outstanding aircraft designer Konstantin Alekseevich Kalinin;

      Outstanding than? Unique aircraft, poorly suitable for average enterprises and pilots of the USSR of that time?
      Quote: depressant
      4) persecution and defeat of the design bureau of the Russian genius Vladimir Mikhailovich Myasishchev (a student of V. M. Petlyakov), the creator of the M-4 / 3M and M-50, which were much ahead of their time (and Tupolev);

      Ahem ... that's not necessary about Myasishchev. On the M-50, one story with the sealing of the tank compartments was worth something - when calculating the mass of the sealant, they underestimated four times. The total "construction overload" of the aircraft was 18-21 tons.
      Here is the official conclusion of the Customer on the car:
      ... obtaining a given (...) range of 11000-12000 km at a cruising speed of 1700-1800 km / h without refueling in flight is not ensured. The specified maximum practical range (...) with two in-flight refueling is provided within 14000-14500 km, while refueling at subsonic speed and the presence of external tanks on the aircraft leads to the need to fly at an initial distance of 3000 km, not only at a relatively low speed , but also at altitudes not exceeding 8000m, which is unacceptable, since under these conditions the aircraft can be intercepted relatively easily by enemy air defense systems ... The length of the aircraft takeoff run of 3000 m specified by the USSR Council of Ministers is not fulfilled without the use of launch boosters ...

      As for 3M, they were let down by the lickiness of the design. There. where Tupolev had reserves for modernization, Myasishchev no longer had them. Yes, and a bicycle chassis diagram with its "belly on the ground." smile
      In general, Tupolev saw the future with his Tu-95 - creating a strategic bomber according to the TTT, he essentially made a universal platform for weapons that could be converted into an anti-ship missile and missile carrier without significant changes. And also serve as a base for PLO, RC and even AWACS aircraft.
  18. Stas157
    Stas157 8 January 2023 10: 21
    -1
    At that time, the country reigned total deficit food and non-food products.

    Yes, there was no such thing! Why talk? Solzhenitsyn's laurels do not give rest?

    There wasn't much of a choice. But everything you need in the stores was! And what was not there was in the markets and in the commission shop.
  19. Reader 2013
    Reader 2013 8 January 2023 10: 24
    0
    I wonder why the Pacific Fleet needs 13 admirals
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 9 January 2023 11: 34
      0
      Firstly, because the Pacific Fleet traditionally "lived in two houses" - the Vladivostok region and Vilyuchinsk. In fact, these were two fleets.
      Secondly, don't forget about the nachpo - you can't allow the party's role to be belittled. So they were given ranks in accordance with the regular place.
      And finally, it was the Soviet-era Pacific Fleet - the country's second fleet. A crowd of first ranks, plus SSBNs, plus MRAs - here you can’t put less than an admiral in command of divisions, squadrons and air divisions.
    2. Sergey Valov
      Sergey Valov 10 January 2023 16: 36
      0
      Firstly, 13 admirals are very few for such a fleet, and secondly, not all of them flew, many remained “on the farm”.
  20. Alexander Trebuntsev
    Alexander Trebuntsev 8 January 2023 10: 40
    +1
    This was a documentary and a very detailed film.
    The fault of the ship's commander was obvious there. He was not present at the loading, which is understandable. but he appeared already before the flight and was not at all interested in how they loaded it. Very quickly after him, the “main” drove up in a car and immediately asked if everything was fine? The commander replied yes. Chief and said, then, they say, fly.
    The ship's commander was one of the favorites and often violated any instructions. everything was forgiven him, and his skill had already been decently lost. It also had an effect, that's for sure.
    Rolls of paper could not roll, because they were put "on the butt". They most likely just moved out, because they were not fixed in any way. During loading, this was treated with indifference, the commander did not look at anything at all. There was also plenty of other g "left" cargo.
  21. hostel
    hostel 8 January 2023 11: 07
    0
    How can you command a fleet and disregard flight safety standards? How can you admit the idea that you are the navel of the earth and the pilots are just servants? Nothing has changed since then.
    1. vovochkarzhevsky
      vovochkarzhevsky 8 January 2023 12: 52
      +1
      That's what hasn't changed. Take the same crash in Sochi Tu-154. No matter what the MAC broadcasts, the reason is the same, overload and misalignment.
      And the whole trouble is that our person very often relies on chance, and even ingenuity in such cases works in the wrong direction.
      A simple example from the Soviet era. Perhaps a bike, but in reality it took place in one way or another.
      By helicopter, it was in the north, it was necessary to transfer the shift workers, a batch of felt boots and links for the conveyor tracks.
      The FAC immediately dismissed the links, the advantage. The team leader seemed to agree with this. Further loading, launch, attempt to control hover and nothing. The car did not come off, and the passengers had eyes like those of a naughty cat. They began to figure it out, and these "wise men" shoved those very links into felt boots.
  22. Timofey Charuta
    Timofey Charuta 8 January 2023 11: 58
    +2
    As I understand it, all these terrible catastrophes with the mass death of high-ranking officers are a "trick" of the USSR.
    I have not read anywhere that American, NATO generals loaded their official non-cargo aircraft to the eyeballs with furniture, oranges, etc. etc. Sure. any Yankee pilot, especially a military pilot, would refuse to take furniture sets on board an ordinary passenger plane.
    By the way, I looked at a photo of the same carcass - I didn’t find where to stuff hefty rolls of paper and furniture through.

    In the catastrophe of 1960, when rockets exploded, Chief Marshal of Artillery Nedelin, commander of all strategic missiles of the USSR (RVSN), died. I sat, you know, on a chair 17 meters (!) From the test rocket and urged on the attendants. Approximately 100 more people died with him.
    I think that such our marshals were still generals (from Kirponos to Vatutin and Chernyakhovsky), who went through the fire of the Second World War, really were not afraid of God or the devil, but still ...

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%84%D0%B0_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%91%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B5_(1960)

    I haven’t found anything even remotely similar anywhere among the Americans.
    Here the Poles (also NATO) just once in 2010 crashed together with their president near Smolensk, by the way, on the former Soviet TU-154. There is generally a dark story, but it is alarming that the "carcass" was noted here too ...
  23. Bez 310
    Bez 310 8 January 2023 12: 09
    +3
    General V. Sokerin expressed his opinion about this catastrophe, and I fully agree with him.
    https://nvo.ng.ru/notes/2008-04-11/8_admiral.html
    Our 143rd naval missile-carrying aviation division (mrad) also had a Tu-104 passenger plane, and I had to fly it as a passenger.
    After this catastrophe, flights on the Tu-104 were stopped, the aircraft was decommissioned, and it was placed in the center of the garrison to the delight of the children, who broke it.
  24. Ulan.1812
    Ulan.1812 8 January 2023 13: 04
    +5
    In my unit, a former midshipman from the nuclear submarine worked as a master just from the Pacific Fleet. Dima Kryukov.
    He talked about this incident. At the Pacific Fleet, everyone knew about it.
    There was an overload and the pilot knew about it.
    And he reported to the commander of aviation that it was dangerous.
    In response, I received what kind of flyer you are if you cannot take off. Take off.
    The pilot could refuse to obey the order, but would undoubtedly be fired.
    This is the choice he had. Apparently he relied on his skill and luck.
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 8 January 2023 16: 06
      +3
      At the Pacific Fleet, everyone knew about it.
      There was an overload and the pilot knew about it.
      And he reported to the commander of aviation that it was dangerous.
      In response, I received what kind of flyer you are if you cannot take off. Take off.
      Boris, all this is very similar to the truth, but who among the survivors witnessed this dialogue? Former midshipman from the nuclear submarine?
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 15 January 2023 22: 52
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        Quote: Aviator_
        but just who of the survivors was a witness to this dialogue?

        The airfield team or the mourners could well have heard. The same driver
    2. Iris
      Iris 8 January 2023 16: 12
      +4
      The analysis of the plane crash made by the midshipman of the submarine is, of course, the most important evidence.
  25. Iris
    Iris 8 January 2023 16: 18
    +5
    Quote: Citelle 2013
    I wonder why the Pacific Fleet needs 13 admirals

    Then, that at that time the Pacific Fleet was the largest strategic association. In its combat strength there were much more warships (surface and underwater), aviation, coastal troops than in the entire Russian army today. The nuclear submarines of the fleet constantly carry out combat service where the Americans tried in vain to find them. And in addition to the dead, there was still a large group of admirals and generals in the fleet, because such an economy worked around the clock and under any circumstances. But today the Pacific Fleet is subordinate to Khabarovsk,.
    1. Sergey Valov
      Sergey Valov 10 January 2023 16: 41
      0
      “But today the Pacific Fleet is subordinate to Khabarovsk” - and then Ulan-Ude. hi
  26. motorized rifle
    motorized rifle 8 January 2023 18: 51
    0
    However, overload has nothing to do with it!
    The plane, even with a weight exceeding the standard takeoff, takes off! Yes, takeoff speed increases and, of course, takeoff distance. A summary of the weight of the PIC is brought under the signature. So there could be no overload. In any case, such that the flight would not take place, then the plane would simply not have enough runway length to accelerate to the take-off speed. And what could bring the plane to a critical angle of attack, so much so that the crew could not fend off this pitching moment? If this is due to the load, then, of course, a violation of the center of gravity, since the Center of Gravity should be located ahead of the aerodynamic focus, then placing the load closer to the tail can move the CG an unacceptably small distance from the focus or even beyond the focus (but this is unlikely). But then the plane will begin to raise its nose already in the middle of the takeoff run, and in order to accelerate it to takeoff speed, the pilot will need to give the helm away from him. Those. the fact that with the centering is not in order, he will be able to determine before taking off! And he normally accelerated began to take off. Obviously, when lifting the nose, either the alignment was disturbed (for example, the load moved to the tail), or for some reason the balancing angle was not corrected. Because in this case, the steering wheel is deflected more (as if undermining the aircraft), and then the deflections are reduced, balancing the aircraft at the desired angle. Only rolls had the potential to quickly and irreversibly change the alignment (in the case of not fixing), and in the case of control, various options are possible.
  27. AlexSam
    AlexSam 8 January 2023 20: 59
    -1
    Quote: Luminman
    And who experiences an orgasm from even the smallest failures of our country?

    potreots with VO))
  28. Shkodnik65
    Shkodnik65 9 January 2023 14: 17
    0
    In the year, in my opinion, in 1997, on the basis of the Balashovsky VVAUL, the command staff of the units of the Air Force ChTsP was assembled. The collection ended on Friday, ahead of the weekend, and it was necessary to fly to Kubinka. And the weather is special, fog, low clouds. Cuban does not give good. But! 2 generals were returning to Moscow - the head of the deputy of the Air Force Command and the head of the Balashovsky VVAUL, and they desperately needed to return to the capital, the weekend! So despite the ban, the An-26 was allowed to take off. He is a general and a general in Africa. But the fog did not go anywhere, and during landing and the vertical speed on the glide path was high. Our An-26 literally cracked against the concrete, slid to the side once, then another, a third. How the wings did not break off, it is not clear. We, flying around the cabin, held on to all the intimate places with both hands, though we didn’t have time to get scared, the fear then came when everything scrolled in my head, incl. and consequences. Thank God everyone survived. Hence the moral, on board the most important boss should be the commander of the ship, regardless of the number and size of stars on the shoulder straps of passengers in the cabin. But .... such a country we have, nothing teaches us anything.
  29. Eagle_rost
    Eagle_rost 15 January 2023 12: 11
    0
    The article is somewhat incomplete. The command of the Kamchatka Flotilla survived, which flew to Petropavlovsk Kamchatsky on an Aeroflot regular plane
  30. tima_ga
    tima_ga 16 January 2023 22: 52
    0
    And in 2006 there was an accident with a whistle on takeoff from Guards. On the takeoff run, a bird hit the engine, surge, fire, the RP ordered to interrupt the take-off, rolled out at a decent speed. The plane burned out completely, everyone quickly left the board, miraculously no one died. On board, among others, was the Commander Masorin.