The Kyiv regime rejected the Russian initiative for a Christmas truce

The Kyiv regime commented on the call of the Patriarch of Moscow and All Rus' Kirill for a Christmas truce in Ukraine and Donbass. Recall that earlier the head of the Russian Orthodox Church noted the importance of this bright Orthodox holiday for all believers and called on the parties to the conflict to stop hostilities for at least one day.

Continuing the struggle not only with Orthodoxy, but also with common sense, the Ukrainian authorities rejected the proposal of Patriarch Kirill, calling it "Putin's proposal", referring to the issued decree of the President of the Russian Federation.

M. Podolyak, adviser to the head of Zelensky's office, acted as the talking head in this regard. According to Podolyak, "Russia is showing hypocrisy by offering a temporary truce."

An adviser to the head of the Ukrainian president's office announced that "Russia can only get a temporary truce if it leaves the occupied territories." Podolyak made such a publication on a social network.

Recall that earlier, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, after talking with Vladimir Putin, urged him to order a unilateral cessation of hostilities. Now, after the words of Podolyak, if anyone had any illusions about this, they will dissipate. After all, it is extremely clear how the enemy will take advantage of the unilateral stoppage of military operations of the RF Armed Forces.

Meanwhile, the Russian president has already signed a decree on the suspension of hostilities along the entire line of contact. Whether our authorities are under illusions that the Ukrainian side will immediately support such an undertaking is a separate issue.

Comments

[Blackmokona]

At the same time, Putin absolutely does not care, he, without any agreement with the other side of the conflict, pathetically issued a decree.
Does he live in his own world?
https://www.tulapressa.ru/2023/01/vladimir-putin-poruchil-vvesti-rozhdestvenskoe-peremirie-v-zone-provedeniya-svo-4612/

At 12:00 on January 6, on the instructions of Vladimir Putin, a ceasefire will be established in the NVO zone
Russian President Vladimir Putin instructed to suspend operations in the NWO zone for Christmas. This was reported on January 5 by the Kremlin press service with reference to the relevant instruction given by the head of state to the Minister of Defense.

“Given the appeal of His Holiness Patriarch Kirill, I instruct the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation to introduce a ceasefire regime along the entire line of contact between the parties in Ukraine from 12:00 on January 6 this year until 24:00 on January 7 this year,” the message says. .

[Elephant]

The obliging Shoigu has already ordered the Armed Forces to stop opening fire on our military from the 6th to 36 o'clock. Banderlogs are not even surprised by this, and for some reason I personally ...

[Tatyana]

Patriarch Kirill: I call on all parties to establish a Christmas truce in Ukraine and Donbass

Quote: Elephant

The obliging Shoigu has already ordered the Armed Forces to stop opening fire on our military from the 6th to 36 o'clock. Banderlogs are not even surprised by this, and for some reason I personally ...

Quote: BlackMokona

At the same time, Putin absolutely does not care, he, without any agreement with the other side of the conflict, pathetically issued a decree.
Does he live in his own world?

How many Russians will we lose in 36 hours on the territory of the NVO?!
And who will be responsible for this? And will he answer?

Is this not a betrayal?!

[Sergei 777]

Is this not a betrayal?!

Well, you're just like a child. There is a big backstage game going on. This game is very subtle and complex, it involves the press from both sides, intelligence from both sides, corrupt representatives of both sides, lobbyists and, of course, a large number of "neutral players". The Kremlin's calculation here is simple. Some European elites are already clearly tired of the war for the face of Ze on the covers of Western publications and want a more or less stable world. They put pressure on Ze with varying degrees of intensity, and he, in turn, rests because he does not need the world.
So I am convinced that the idea of ​​​​a truce for 1 day is an attempt by Putin to strengthen the position of those in Europe who are for peace on terms acceptable to Russia. Like, you see, Putin proposed a truce, and Zelensky refused. This means that the image of Ze in the West will once again be revised, albeit for a small number of people. A small but necessary victory.
PS It is quite obvious that all orders given through the press are an inflated number. On the ground they just laughed and forgot.

[Sibguest]

I fully agree with you regarding the proposal for a truce as a means to show the true face of Ze and his jackals.
You are minus a little - these are either those who do not think with their heads, or those who wrote the first posts, who collected a bunch of pluses from the same "thinkers", who have no critical thinking like a dolphin.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

the problem is that "showing the true face" has been going on since the spring, only the West doesn't give a damn about it, but the same for us, then the question is WHY?!!!!

[Sergei 777]

I think it's a long game. They say we tried so many times ... and they ...
Well, in general, it could be tougher. Especially at the beginning of the conflict.

[Shurik70]

We offered, they refused.
Well, then, there will NOT be a truce. Because it can only be with mutual consent.

[KAV]

Quote: Sergey 777

I think it's a long game. They say we tried so many times ... and they ...
Well, in general, it could be tougher. Especially at the beginning of the conflict.

You know, I used to think the same way, and I still think that we have a long game to show the true face of the West and their hangers-on. But! When this long game goes at the expense of our guys, the fighters who are given the order to cease fire, and at the same time they are being ironed by the enemy - I cannot perceive this otherwise than as a betrayal! Moreover, in addition to showing the true face of the West, one should also not cover up one's face! You must have the will! Gotta be proud! We must have a force capable of conveying our demands to the enemy! You can't always be good! Sometimes you have to be honest too!

[Serge9901]

Absolutely agree . You can "play for a long time" in diplomacy, but here is a war. Thousands of dead. How many victims! All games ended on the 24th, they started NWO or whatever you call it - fighting - fight or DO NOT fight. It doesn’t work out - explain, argue and take up defense and try ... I don’t even know - they’ll just tear Russia apart from the inside and out ... Then the 90s will seem to us exactly “holy”.

[user]

A small but necessary victory.

Every meanness must be justified. The people have long understood that there is one agreement, many people close to the throne make money out of thin air. The locals feel very uncomfortable there, because they live there and have nowhere to go.

[fruc]

Sergey 777 ... So I am convinced that the idea of ​​​​a truce for 1 day is Putin's attempt to strengthen his position .....

I deeply doubt that these GDP gestures in Europe and America will be appreciated and paid attention to. Everything will be exactly the opposite. Possible provocations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with self-shelling, and even in their temples.

[guest]

Quote: frruc

in Europe and America, someone will appreciate

Of course, they will appreciate it as a sign of weakness.

[Chronos]

Quote: frruc

Sergey 777 ... So I am convinced that the idea of ​​​​a truce for 1 day is Putin's attempt to strengthen his position .....

I deeply doubt that these GDP gestures in Europe and America will be appreciated and paid attention to. Everything will be exactly the opposite. Possible provocations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with self-shelling, and even in their temples.

These are gestures for China, India and the "friend of Rejep", the requests of the latter are especially significant - foreign trade goes through Turkey.

[bayard]

Quote: Chronos

and "friend of Rejep", the requests of the latter are especially significant - foreign trade goes through Turkey.

"Friend Erdogan" just sent to / to a large batch of armored vehicles ... for us, of course, he is very significant.
A "beautiful gesture" with a truce is for "amending karma" in front of "partners". We have not heard a single shot or arrival in Donetsk since the evening. Already .
What is needed is not a truce, but a decisive offensive. Once the preparation of the reserves is completed. That's just the frost would come and the earth seized.

[ABC-schutze]

Yes, not a "game" is going on, but a war. The big war of ALL against Russia ...

Aren't you tired, "by inertia", of still continuing to pretend to be "Brzezinski" with their armchair fabrications about "chessboards"? .. And other "games"? ..

All the "games" on February 24 ended ... And the conditions acceptable for Russia OPENED, CLEARLY and JUSTIFIED, were transferred to all "players" by Moscow at the end of 2021 ...

AND ANY attempt by the inhabitants of the Kremlin waiting rooms, some kind of "behind the scenes" continuation of these games after February 24, in order to develop some other "acceptable conditions" AND THERE IS A TREASON OF THE INTERESTS OF NATIONAL SECURITY OF RUSSIA ...

Yes, and all of Russia, as a whole ... It's me, as "not thinking with my head", I answer you and your supporters ...

[Andy_nsk]

. There is a big backstage game going on.

In general, I agree. Let me note one more thing: the regional religious and secular authorities switched literally before the New Year to the Gregorian calendar and celebrated Christmas "together with the whole world" on December 25th. Of course, they will ignore Orthodox Christmas, there will be no truce, this is pure politics, designed to split the West. And if there are all-weapons here who believe that ours will sit exactly as long as the ukroreykh fires at them, he is ready to calm them down, in some places there have been such truces in history five times a week, after the first shot of the enemy, the truce stops, and in him everything that can fly flies!

[Diomat]

I think a little deeper .... here, whatever one may say, its own nuances ... very much looks like a provocation. We learned something and, as it were, gave a hint, don’t even think about it. the answer is predictable. So it will be a Christmas present soon.

[ABC-schutze]

It's not "deeper", it's just empty "florid" ...

[lopvlad]

Quote: Tatiana

Is this not a betrayal?!

betrayal is when, during a war, hitting your president and commander-in-chief in the back is excellent in helping the enemy.
We do not care about the opinion of other countries, and even more so, we do not consider the Kyiv puppet of the West to be a party to the conflict.

[mher]

Who are you talking about?? Which high priest? Ah, the one with the actors in camouflage to take a picture? Yes, it's a knife in the back. But who is V.V. a knife in the back so that he then sits down at the table, builds a hub, and so on.

[ABC-schutze]

Stop ostentatiously indignant and engaging in demagogy, Comrade Colonel...

The Russians, even without your "literacy campaigns" FOR NINE YEARS, are well aware that the Kiev regime is not a "side" of the conflict. AND THE INSTRUMENT OF THE CONFLICT IS IN THE HANDS OF THEIR WESTERN OWNERS... AND THE TOOL IS EFFECTIVE...

And from the Russian authorities and from you, propagandists - demagogues (knife in the back, betrayal ...) DEMAND FAIRLY and JUSTIFIEDLY, this TOOL of Western OWNERS, TO BREAK DECISIVELY and RUTHlessly!

What else, FOR THE TENTH MONTH, IT IS "incomprehensible""? ..

[Stas157]

Quote: lopvlad

betrayal is when, during a war, hitting your president and commander in chief in the back is excellent for this helping the enemy

Wait a second! Who is helping the enemy?

[Fast_mutant]

Quote: Tatiana

And who will be responsible for this?

No one ever under the current government.

[Alexander Trubitsin]

Only a complete idiot could give such an order! This is another gesture of goodwill at the cost of the lives of our men. Such orders should be put up against the wall.

[Peter1First]

The ROC risked dropping its authority below the plinth - don’t go to a fortune teller, these 36 hours will bring a bunch of corpses and the loss of reclaimed positions, perhaps even the entire front will crumble! But how did Putin fall for this whim? - just does not fit in my head!

[ABC-schutze]

Yes, not the "ROC", but the top of the Moscow Patriarchate ....

And it was not Putin who was "led", but "at the suggestion" of the Kremlin, which is more than obvious, Kirill (his opinion in "such cases", neither as a person, nor as a Patriarch who does not have ...) this next "gesture" of an impotent "good will" of the Kremlin inhabitants, obediently voiced ...

And SAMITO, the Orthodox Russians asked him and Putin about it?..

Maybe one of them, this "Kremlin magician", put AT LEAST ONE such request into the "ball on the Christmas tree"? .. Or how else was the wish expressed? ..

But the Turk Erdogan said. And quite specific. But he, it seems, has a distant relation to Orthodoxy ...

Is that the so-called. To the "Patriarch of Constantinople" - a schismatic, he writes out a "certificate" for the care of the flock ...

[Alex777]

Quote: Tatiana

How many Russians will we lose in 36 hours on the territory of the NVO?!
And who will be responsible for this? And will he answer?
Is this not a betrayal?!

Tatyana!
By the way, under Comrade Stalin, you would have already been packed for such a post, regardless of past merits.
Much ado about nothing.
The offer was made. There is nothing terrible in it.
You, an unbeliever, will not understand the reasons for this proposal.
The fact that the enemies would not accept him was obvious from the beginning.
They didn't accept him.
Therefore, we will not lose a single Russian in 36 hours.
All your pathos is gone.
Modern information wars are built according to certain rules. Today we have one of the few cases when we outplayed 404.
The UN has already commented, and Biden did not remain silent.
Effect received. The whole world looked, that is who. Is free.
Everybody. You shouldn't even start to worry.

[solovei 78]

Alas, but true. The Turk is now the main conduit and turns our unfortunate geostrategist like cheap stuff. And the calls of the patriarch, who during all this time has never visited the Orthodox in the Donbas against this background, is just a Turkish karaoke song

[UAZ 452]

That such "calls" and such a "nimble" reaction to them, against the background of the DESTRUCTION by the Kyiv Nazis of a couple of hundred Russian military personnel (who did not even have time to fire even one shot at the enemy ...) in Makeevka, with American weapons, is simply opportunistic - hypocritical mockery of memory of the last...

Before the New Year, no one offered any truces. On the contrary - there were massive congratulations on the holiday from our side. The enemy responded pointwise, in Makiivka, and the "holiday" score turned out, alas, by no means in our favor. And now, after Makiivka, even a unilateral initiative with a truce looks like a veiled request to the Armed Forces of Ukraine not to congratulate them on the holiday anymore. In order to make a New Year’s Eve double, we need to replenish the stock of missiles again (if the arsenals were bottomless, the energy system of Ukraine would be cut around the clock, and not once a week, but more often several times), and the Armed Forces of Ukraine have six missiles for Himars, and in the fact that ours dispersed, sheltered and camouflaged the personnel in a few days, I can’t believe with all my desire.

[ABC-schutze]

Good...

And what about those presented by the Russian command since the time of the so-called Syrian campaign? "attacks on decision-making centers"?.. Their fact that STARTING LITERALLY from February 24th, what prevents it from being inflicted?

For the bottom, what, as for the aforementioned "energy system", are also "bottomless arsenals" needed? .. So, I don’t believe in this anymore ...

Only the presence of potency, of course, primarily political ... And, as you need to understand, the Kremlin has a greater deficit than the Russian WTO arsenals ...

After all, it’s a “no brainer” that if THEY started, TIMELY, inflicting regular, targeted and massive strikes on the decision-making centers of the Kyiv Natsiks and their inhabitants, “gifts” from the latter, like what they did in Makeevka, would be AN ORDER LESS .. .

For the owners of the Kyiv Natsiks, incl. and overseas, it would be MUCH MORE DIFFICULT to "agree" on deliveries and organize them ...

[Alexander Trubitsin]

This is the answer for ours in Makiivka. We must bring supplies. The mountain strategist again showed a gesture of goodwill. Then he will again complain that he was thrown once again. While Pasha delivers another batch of javelins. It's nothing personal, it's business. It's time for grandfather to retire.

[Fast_mutant]

Well, it wouldn’t be bad to enter a new shameful temple ... Although no, they won’t be shot. There's HITLER'S CAP! Suddenly get hurt!

[Alex777]

Quote: ABC-schütze

Great, right? .. Well then ... Merry Christmas to you, "Kremlin" ...

Only, as it were, the Kyiv Nazis, they didn’t send you another, already “Christmas” gift “in gratitude” to the Cathedral of Christ the Savior. With Del Frost on the UAV ... As before, to Engels and Ryazan ...

Apti Alaudinov answered well as you answered:

Isa (AS), Jesus in Islam is one of the most revered Prophets. The mother of Isa (s.a.) Maryam is also highly revered in Islam. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said that there was no woman equal to Maryam, there is not and never will be. This is how we honor both Maryam and Isa (a.s.). Muslims and Christians are required to honor everything related to Isa (AS). And we do it.

The head of our state, Supreme Commander-in-Chief Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin is a true believing Christian. And his actions correspond to the requirements of his faith. And the fact that these actions are perceived by the enemy in an inappropriate way for Christians is not a reason for panic. Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin did what a Christian should have done - offered a temporary truce.

However, this does not mean that we will abandon our positions and leave. All our fighters have been and will continue to be in their positions, on the front line of combat contact. But until the enemy starts firing at us, in accordance with the order of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, we will not do this on our own initiative. Because we are people who revere Isa (a.s.), and fighters who strictly follow the orders of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief.

The adversary's Satanism has once again manifested itself today, when the enemy refused the truce. This is additional evidence for those who still doubt what is happening in the world. In fact, the declared truce is more needed by an errand boy hiding in a bunker in western Ukraine. We've been moving forward, and we're moving forward.

Therefore, in no case should you panic and despair. Nothing thoughtful happened. We must remain true believers. And in this case God will never leave us! We must not succumb to the provocations of the US intelligence services and the European states of America. Be patient and trust in God even more. And He will show us the way!

May we have mutual understanding, faith, hope and love. Everything related to true religion. And everything that is inherent in Satanism is on the opposite side and everyone sees it. And this is also a blessing. Because millions of people watching from the outside will draw the right conclusions from what they see. The good will of our Supreme Commander and the response of the Satanists to it.

We will win! Definitely! Don't doubt it. Nothing can shake our mood, our spiritual state, our spirit and strength!

AKHMAT STRENGTH - RUSSIA POWER - ALLAH GREAT!

[ABC-schutze]

I didn't see any answer to this...

Not from Alaudinov, who undertook to talk about the "true" Orthodox, elementarily not knowing the Scriptures ... Not from you ...

Let him address THIS HIS answer to the Mohammedan muftis, who, at a meeting of representatives of ALL religious denominations of Russia, in the initial phase of the NWO, CLEARLY stated in relation to the Kyiv regime - "THEY SHOULD BE BEANCHED" ...

And they didn’t call for a “ceasefire” with them at all ...

[Russian jacket]

Another cry for mercy. Laughing at the cocaine addict. And our coke will apparently be more difficult.

[YOUR]

On the contrary, they rub their hands. Most likely, ours will not even open return fire. For it is fraught. Helpful people will run around and look for violators and punish them for violating the Presidential Decree.
Ruff your copper, whoever does not command our Armed Forces, so it came to the Patriarch, he also overshadowed with his hand.

[Just a guest]

Shoigu can't help but be helpful. If only because, according to the constitution of the Russian Federation, the president is the commander-in-chief. MO obeys him. This time.
In other tapes they write that not an order was issued, but an instruction. Suspend on the line of contact on the territory of Ukraine. That is. An instruction is not an order, therefore, it is not obligatory to execute. This time. There is no talk about the territories that became part of the Russian Federation. This is two. But the world community does not know these nuances. And for them, Russia offers peace, and Ukraine spits on this proposal. The same is true for the inhabitants of Ukraine. Who are not allowed to perform a religious ceremony normally.

[Boycott]

and not respond to the shelling? I sleep and have nightmares, there's no other way to explain it.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: BoyCat

I sleep and have nightmares, there's no other way to explain it.

the worst thing is that you are not the only one seeing this dream

[dmi.pris1]

Guys, looks like this is the end of this shame....

[YOUR]

Take away. I think we are still waiting for a lot of interesting discoveries.

[evgenii67]

Quote: BoyCat

and not respond to the shelling? I sleep and have nightmares, there's no other way to explain it.

All hope for the brothers from the republics, because. they are Muslims and on Wagner.
But seriously, this is some kind of star.
Goodwill gestures, grain and ammonia and other deals with the enemy. Is it just that we are either fighting or others..chim? Why are the boys dying? But what if this is Erdogan, well, remember all sorts of regroupings and grain deals after a conversation with Edrogan? The conversation was again and again incomprehensible movements. Yes, no, this cannot be, because Putin is not like that, or ...

[aglet]

"But what if it's Erdogan, do you remember all sorts of regroupings and grain deals after talking with Edrogan?"
By the way, Turkey sent its infantry fighting vehicles to Ukraine, now they are crossing Romania

[North Caucasus]

By the way, Turkey sent its infantry fighting vehicles to Ukraine, now they are crossing Romania

Is it like Erdogan asked Putin for a truce so that the echelons with equipment reach the line safely? It turns out like this. Putin could not refuse because Erdogan tied him with contracts that cost a lot of money. What do you do for big money? But Putin offered Erdogan a gas hub!? So the stakes there are even higher than the gas hub. Erdogan apparently sees this, but Russia is fixated so as not to lose the hub and the nuclear power plant!? What is Erdogan aiming for? On the economic deterioration of Russia in the light of the operation? AND? Erdogan will demand from Putin a part of the Russian market for his manufacturers? Or maybe a monopoly. Turkey may well produce spare parts for cars (and possibly build them). Turkey is building ships. Why shouldn't Turkey demand a guarantee for the construction of ships of a certain type? Maybe Erdogan wants to buy a tourism business in Russia?

[dmi.pris1]

Yes, they are fighters of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation .. And they follow the order. I only hope that no one will behave like sheep to the slaughter. And they will spit and hit from everything they can

[Orange Bigg]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

Yes, they are fighters of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation .. And they follow the order. I only hope that no one will behave like sheep to the slaughter. And they will spit and hit from everything they can

Good order! Let them shoot at you and kill you, but don’t answer. An order dooming our soldiers to certain death. And none of those making such a decision on a unilateral truce wants to go to the front line for these 36 hours to get what they prepare for their soldiers? It’s utter nonsense. And most importantly, what is its meaning? Who and what will these 36 hours give? Ukraine, hiding behind the departing ones, will go on the attack and recapture what our soldiers fought for for months. I get the impression more and more that suicides are sitting in the Kremlin. Okay, we quarreled with the West and Ukraine, but why at such a time once again disturb society with such strange regular gestures of goodwill? It's no secret that the current government in the Kremlin rests only on the trust of the people and on the Russian Army, and it was decided to test everything on which it rests for strength with such a savage method. Did you decide in the West to prove something to someone? Stupid. The West sleeps and sees how to topple power in the Kremlin. There's nothing to prove to anyone anyway.

[mher]

Now is the time that for a retaliatory strike you can go to jail for not following the order, then write letters to Prigozhin so that they enroll in Wagner. damn maybe already!

[fruc]

BoyCat: ...and not respond to shelling?

I think the commanders at the forefront will have enough intelligence and will to make a competent decision, let the rest pray in churches for the repose of their souls, if they want.

[Rustic]

I think the commanders at the forefront will have enough sense and will not to carry out this crazy decree in this case.

You don't have to wait until they're smart enough. It is necessary to tell them that for issuing a treacherous order not to return fire, according to the same order, even if you cannot shoot at Banderva, but nothing is said in the order about a bullet in the forehead of a traitor and an enemy.

[AdAstra]

And how before in other branches they wrote the same Army - Order, Discipline ???

[BigMaxMack]

Quote: BoyCat

and not respond to the shelling? I sleep and have nightmares, there's no other way to explain it.

Donbass was bombed with impunity for 8 years, well, how did you sleep peacefully before that?

[dmi.pris1]

Throwing beads in front of pigs? They won’t appreciate it. Yes, and they celebrate Christmas in December ..

[Poplar]

Yes, they celebrate Christmas in December.

It also seems to me that the 404th is no longer Orthodox. There is, of course, a small percentage of Orthodox believers, but he does not make a difference. Therefore, I do not see the point in this gesture. Most likely there is some hidden meaning.

[Leonidych]

Another goodwill gesture. Now the Ukrainians during this time will take out the wounded, pull up the reserves, replenish the BC, conduct reconnaissance without harming themselves. well, at the end of the silence mode, they will completely fall into it. What is happening is incomprehensible, we are fighting roofing felts heh ..... we are suffering.

[Blackmokona]

Quote: leonidych

Another goodwill gesture. Now the Ukrainians during this time will take out the wounded, pull up the reserves, replenish the BC, conduct reconnaissance without harming themselves. well, at the end of the silence mode, they will completely fall into it. What is happening is incomprehensible, we are fighting roofing felts heh ..... we are suffering.

You completely misunderstood the situation. The Armed Forces of Ukraine continued to hammer at our troops from all trunks, they do not sign any truce. But our military will receive a presidential decree not to open fire for 36 hours.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: BlackMokona

But our military will receive a presidential decree not to open fire for 36 hours.

for the sake of truth 12 from 12-00 on December 6 to 00-00 on the 7th

[Blackmokona]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Quote: BlackMokona

But our military will receive a presidential decree not to open fire for 36 hours.

for the sake of truth 12 from 12-00 on December 6 to 00-00 on the 7th

“Given the appeal of His Holiness Patriarch Kirill, I instruct the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation to introduce from 12:00 on January 6 this year until 24:00 on January 7 this year a ceasefire regime along the entire line of contact between the parties in Ukraine”

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

now I'll try to find it, but I saw that before 00-00

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

I apologize, infa from the Sumerian site

[Leonidych]

If they shoot from all barrels, this does not mean that we will not respond. It's about something else about a ceasefire on our part. If we don't shoot from all the trunks, then they will take advantage of this time.

[North Caucasus]

It turns out that the outskirts were given the go-ahead to wet ours, and ours were forbidden to even snap! Like, they can get wet, but we need to die!? It turns out bullshit! I understand the truce until the first shot is fired from there. Upon arrival from there, the truce ceases and fire is opened to kill from all weapons systems! Such a truce can be accepted. And here it turns out, when you hit on the cheek, you have to expose the whole body to the blows!? And do it voluntarily!? Well then, all members of the Russian government should go to the front line in full growth during the period of the truce! And what?! Well, if they kill one, another hundred will follow him to the slaughter! The main thing is not to stop going to the slaughter!

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: leonidych

well, at the end of the silence mode, they will completely fall into it.

Why wait? The order has been given - do not return fire. So they’ll get in full swing, just in time for Christmas, they don’t have an order!

[UAZ 452]

What is happening is incomprehensible, we are fighting roofing felts heh ..... we are suffering.

No, we don't fight. Let's get together.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: UAZ 452

No, we don't fight. Let's get together.

"We haven't started yet" and again a truce.
"It never happened, and here it is again!"

[fruc]

leonidych ...... will conduct reconnaissance without prejudice to themselves. well, at the end of the silence mode, they will completely fall into it.

Ha, I guess it will happen much earlier before the end of the silence mode. I will be very surprised if this silence lasts at least 1 hour.

[opuonmed]

why did the West and the United States in vain announce the transfer of weapons! the US and the West will catch up with the US and the West, it’s not the reindeer herders

[Sniper]

sometimes I don’t know myself .. who is the greater enemy of our army!

[Xenofont]

A discount can only be made on stormy holidays, the consequences of which affect when making such decisions.

[Peter1First]

Such a gift to the Armed Forces of Ukraine was not even expected! Now they will bring artillery closer for unanswered shelling, transfer reinforcements along the roads without the risk of shelling, prepare aircraft for a strike without the risk of losing it, muddy the counter-offensive at some important heights and points! Moreover, they will say in the media: “a weakening, wounded enemy tried to divorce us for a truce, but we will not give him any mercy” ... So I ask: - Is it possible to talk about sacred things with those for whom nothing is sacred? - Is it possible to throw pearls in front of pigs?

[Vovavvs]

Where is Ukraine and where is Russia... Or is it the recognition of 4 new regions of Russia for Ukraine?

[Andrey the Magnificent]

Recently, only one quote from a popular comedy has come to mind from current events.
"The army has rebelled!!!
They say - the Tsar is NOT REAL !!!!!”

[scaramaks27]

let there be no ceasefire by the Nazis. there are either Catholics or Uniates, and Ze believes only in green papers ... so don't flatter yourself, Christmas night will be disturbing.

[smart ass]

What won't you do for show off? !!!!!!!!!!

[Just a guest]

You simply do not understand this world.
But any sane person understands. That we took the initiative. Dill crap her (like many on this site). But it's clear to the sane. Who really wants peace and who doesn't. And tomorrow another couple of thousand (or more) votes in Europe will take our side.

[Earthwalker]

It’s about to get some kind of absurdity, as in the news about the unilateral ceasefire that Erdogan proposed

[Pulkovo1942]

some nonsense happens

This is not nonsense. They write in such a veiled way so as not to anger the people.

[BigMaxMack]

Erdogan is just an intermediary here, they are in NATO, if they suddenly forgot ..

[Nikolay310]

Erdogan simply forgot to ask Zelensky ... The Sultan already knew that the vassal would not refuse

[topol717]

Quote: ASAD

Putin has already ordered a ceasefire for Christmas, Erdogan asked for the same!

How do you know what Erdogan asked for? Did you hold a candle while talking?

[North Caucasus]

It doesn't matter what Erdogan asked. It is important what goals Erdogan pursues! Not just the same as his requests! I hope Putin did not just announce a truce. Maybe Erdogan promised him a stable supply of tomatoes! And what? Erdogan on the outskirts of the armored personnel carrier. We are the outskirts of gas. Everyone has a stable business! Everyone is investing in the outskirts to the best of their ability. Both the EU and the US. Maybe the derban of the outskirts is being prepared in proportion to the invested funds ?!

[mikh-korsakov]

Moreover, the news is circulating in the networks that Putin himself wants to visit Donetsk on Christmas and pray there. What can I say, he was a good man, a master of sports, he played hockey, Merkel gave flowers, and red fish. As a president, this is an amateur. And he was a good man, I'm sure I can't be persuaded. But what a death - from the temple straight to heaven.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

I don’t want to believe that the SVO is being put on the brakes, but something tells me that this is the way it is. Chubat temples of the Russian Orthodox Church are being robbed, priests are being tortured, and the patriarch is talking about some kind of ceasefire. It's all kind of weird..

[topol717]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

Chubat temples of the Russian Orthodox Church are being robbed, priests are being tortured, and the patriarch is talking about some sort of ceasefire

Turn the other cheek, or have you heard of it?

[dmi.pris1]

Look .. The first Christians went to their death, but they did not betray religion. And there, in Kyiv, in the Lavra, a "gathering" gathered (you can't say otherwise) and decided to go over to the schismatics ... After all, this was not a cheek turned ..

[solar]

Not everything is so simple, the situation is much more subtle there. We are talking about the transition from one Orthodox Church to another, no less official - the Ecumenical Patriarchate. The word schismatics is hardly applicable to the situation.

[StarWarrior]

Some of ours have already framed almost all parts of the body ...
Rogozin, for example, framed ... I can’t write. The moderator does not allow.

[AdAstra]

And what is so forbidden in musculus gluteus?

[StarWarrior]

Not only is it hurt there. I don't want to publicly discuss topographic anatomy.

[vlad2000]

with such a face, he does not have musculus gluteuse))) but what is forbidden to write)))

[smart ass]

Turn your cheek first, then what?? Butt???

[BigMaxMack]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

I don’t want to believe that the SVO is being put on the brakes, but something tells me that this is the way it is. Chubat temples of the Russian Orthodox Church are being robbed, priests are being tortured, and the patriarch is talking about some kind of ceasefire. It's all kind of weird..

Kharkov and Kherson were somehow given away. Did you survive?

[Kronos]

Yes, he will not go anywhere, it will be necessary to create scenery and say he came to Donetsk.

[ABC-schutze]

I believe that it would be much more useful for the course and outcome of the SVO if Putin (I don’t call him Supreme anymore ...), instead of this, which has become a traditional PR show for him, gave the order to start applying regular, targeted and massive strikes on the decision-making centers of the Kyiv Nazis ...

For the TENTH MONTH of NWO, this would be a much bigger gift for the Orthodox in general, and those living in the Donbass in particular...

Moreover, the latter, DAILY, have been shelled for NINE YEARS. Putin, even having negotiated for himself an order for a ceasefire, conditional security during a hypothetical visit to the Temple in Donetsk, will leave in the morning ...

And the Orthodox of Donbass, Kyiv Natsiks will continue to FIRE DAILY ...

[RuAbel]

Why does Erdogan keep his grandfather for Faberge? ..

[StarWarrior]

Erdogan holds Putin for tomatoes, for a grain deal, for an ammonia pipeline to Odessa, for oil exports, for a gas hub, for a nuclear power plant under construction in Akkuyu, for our garrison in Syria.

[topol717]

Quote from StarWarrior

for the grain deal, for the ammonia pipeline to Odessa, for the export of oil, for the gas hub, for the nuclear power plant under construction in Akkuyu, for our garrison in Syria.

Well, how is it all connected?
Remind you what happened after the downed plane? And who was holding whom? Do you think something has changed?

[StarWarrior]

Putin always fulfills all Erdogan's wishes at the first whistle:
- I want a grain deal!
- please!
-I want Russia to surrender Kherson to Ukraine!
- please!
I want a truce!
- please!
Coincidence? I do not think.

[aglet]

"Do you need to be reminded of what happened after the downed plane?"
What happened after the downed plane? tomatoes?

[StarWarrior]

And what happened when Turkey did not allow our ships of the Russian Navy to enter the Black Sea last year?

[vlad2000]

and what happened?))) they yelled and everything quickly returned to normal. Well, they put some kind of abrek in jail like that who fired at the pilot ... who knows ... maybe they released it already. Yes, who needs this shepherd for a hundred years. Toko right now, Putin depends on the perdogan more than the perdogan on him))) he wants to close all gray imports from Europe. he wants to open the straits for NATO ships. and what can Russia do?

[Sergei 777]

Erdogan holds Putin for tomatoes, for a grain deal, for an ammonia pipeline to Odessa, for oil exports, for a gas hub, for a nuclear power plant under construction in Akkuyu, for our garrison in Syria.

I don't understand here.
1. Putin does not care about Erdogan's tomatoes, it is Erdogan who is interested in Russia as a market for agricultural products. Remember after which the Sultan apologized for the downed Su 24? Including after the ban on the import of Turkish vegetables in the Russian Federation. So here Erdogan is 100% dependent on us and not we on him.
2. Grain deal. It is beneficial to Ukraine because it allows you to receive currency for the war. It is indirectly beneficial to Erdogan because he is promoting on it. What about Putin's benefit? Well, in the eyes of the West, we are negotiable. It's good ? For any thinking people, this is good. After all, there are countries on earth besides Russia, and we will have to negotiate with them, no matter how we treat the US and the EU. The USSR also agreed after the blockade of Berlin in the 40s and after the Korean War. Even after the Berlin and Caribbean crises, they agreed. So being negotiable in anyone's eyes is a plus.
3. Ammonia. Everyone needs ammonia. We sell them to buy. His loss is a problem for everyone. Just like the story from the ISS.
4. Gas hub. A hub is a variation on the theme of selling energy to Europe. Here again, the story is convenient for everyone. Mutual retention of partners. But the Russian Federation is clearly in a better position here, because we have gas and we will find how to sell it. If Erdogan refuses, we will sell through gaskets represented by Indian and Chinese firms. And what ? Does the UK buy our gas through India? Yes. So he will buy through any other country, the question is the price and how much British officials need to roll back behind closed eyes. But will Erdogan find another country that will agree to build a hub for him? I think no. So there is a dependence here, but it is not critical. Yes, and there is no hub yet. So far, only a theory.
5. NPP. Well, everything is generally simple. Let's say tomorrow Turkey breaks the contract for the construction of the station. According to the contract, she will have to pay a lot of money for early termination of the contract. Does she need it? No. Who has more to lose from this? We ? No. Almost all costs will be returned to us under the contract, but the Turks will get a donut hole instead of a nuclear power plant. Do they understand it? Yes.

So stop panicking.

[StarWarrior]

Your list does not include only the interests of the Russian people of the primordially Russian lands of the former Ukraine from Uzhgorod to Donetsk, from Izmail to Chernigov, there is no national interest of Russia to regain back the mother of Russian cities Kyiv and the hero city of Odessa.
And this should be in the first place for a normal ruler of Russia such as Peter the Great, Catherine the Great, Joseph Stalin. And only then all the commercial geshefts that you wrote about. It is bad when a person with the psychology of a petty salesman is at the head of a large country.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote from Ruabel

Why does Erdogan keep his grandfather for Faberge? ..

Erdogan seems to be only an intermediary for those who hold, but do not want to "shine".

[smart ass]

Gas hub!) what else?!!!!!!!!

[donavi49]

appeal of the Patriarch of Moscow and All Rus' Kirill

So this is an indication of the supreme:
Instructions of the President of the Russian Federation to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation

Considering the appeal of His Holiness Patriarch Kirill, I instruct the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation to introduce from 12.00:6 January 2023, 24.00 to 7:2023 January XNUMX, XNUMX a ceasefire along the entire line of contact between the parties in Ukraine.

Based on the fact that a large number of citizens professing Orthodoxy live in the combat areas, we call on the Ukrainian side to declare a ceasefire and give them the opportunity to attend services on Christmas Eve, as well as on the Day of the Nativity of Christ.
http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/70330

By the way, Recep Erdogan and Zelensky talked about the demilitarization of the ZNPP, judging by the official communiqué, and not about ceasefire.
"We discussed cooperation between our countries in the field of security, issues of nuclear safety, in particular the situation at the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant. There should not be invaders there," Zelensky said.

The presidents also discussed the exchange of prisoners of war with Turkish mediation and the development of a grain agreement.
"We appreciate Turkey's readiness to take part in the implementation of our peace formula", Zelensky said.

[cold wind]

Ukraine has clear and unambiguous goals in this war. She does everything to achieve them. A truce in this format does not bring them closer to this goal, so there will be no truce. Everything is clear and unambiguous.
We do not have goals and objectives in the NWO, so anything is possible. He spins the drum, whatever falls on it, we do it.

[North Caucasus]

There should be no invaders there," Zelensky said.

Well, the invaders in this case are Ukraine. It was she who chopped off part of the territory from Russia and let the interventionists go there. Although the interventionists welcome the outskirts is not the first time! And in 1918 it was, and in 1941. And today. True, Russia allowed the outskirts to chop off part of Russian territory. How did EBN say?! Take sovereignty, who can swallow how much!? Hello separatists?! What should Russia do with the separatists now? What did Kyiv do with the LDNR?

[Nikolay310]

long live the planet of pink ponies!!!

In my opinion, even Nicholas II was not like that ...

many people call the president of Ukraine a clown...guys, are we talking about Ukraine???

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Nikolay310

In my opinion, even Nicholas II was not like that ...

I’m afraid that we’ll end up the same way as then, only now the Bolsheviks are not visible on the horizon, for that Kerinsky’s are like fleas on a mongrel

[evgenii67]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Quote: Nikolay310

In my opinion, even Nicholas II was not like that ...

I’m afraid that we’ll end up the same way as then, only now the Bolsheviks are not visible on the horizon, for that Kerinsky’s are like fleas on a mongrel

The same hundreds of thousands of fighters who have gone through their own and their relatives can become Bolsheviks, if this is a real betrayal. Any truce at this stage = betrayal, all the more one-sided.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: evgenii67

The same hundreds of thousands of fighters who went through their own land and their relatives can become Bolsheviks

the problem is that there is no leader

[albert]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

the problem is that there is no leader

It is debatable. Few people knew about Lenin then either. And the people know how to organize themselves, Donbass is an example of this.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: albert

Few people knew about Lenin then either.

well not so far

Quote: albert

And the people know how to organize themselves

not when, the people did not self-organize, NOT AT ANY LEVEL

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: albert

Donbass is an example.

an example of what?!!!!
the people themselves did not organize themselves, there were leaders
by the way, in the same Kharkov there were none and there were none in Odessa

[BigMaxMack]

Quote: Nikolay310

long live the planet of pink ponies!!!

In my opinion, even Nicholas II was not like that ...

many people call the president of Ukraine a clown...guys, are we talking about Ukraine???

Here, comments about "ukroreykh who must surrender" are gaining an excellent rating, so yes, don't be surprised

[Pulkovo1942]

How the news is neatly presented, as if there is a discussion about declaring a Christmas truce) No, the decree was issued unilaterally.

[spirit]

Well, who was laughing at the Sultan today, why does he take us for fools? Take off your rose-colored glasses guys welcome to the real world

[incognoto]

By the way, I have recently got the impression that our authorities are deliberately provoking the population, this is just an assumption, but this is done in order to give the moral right to future actions .. see, it's not a secret for anyone that the vast majority of the population does not understand what is going on war ... so we are waiting .. I think everything will become clear very soon

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote from incoggnoto

it’s not a secret for anyone that the vast majority of the population does not understand that there is a war going on ...

the vast majority cannot understand the actions of the country's leadership, moreover, since the spring, when they wiped their feet on Russia in incomprehensible negotiations

[incognoto]

we'll find out soon. but it really seems to me that our government has conceived something ..

[guest]

Quote from incoggnoto

we'll find out soon. but it really seems to me that our government has conceived something ..

Yes, I did, but it's not good.

[Vyacheslav57]

Oleg, I do not exclude such an option. Putin is being pressured from all sides, both West and East, to sit down at the negotiating table with Zelensky. Putin has repeatedly explained that Kyiv is not capable of negotiating and we will only talk on our terms. At the moment, by declaring a unilateral ceasefire, Putin will clearly show that it is impossible to do business with Kyiv.

[incognoto]

these are beautiful words .. I no longer believe in it .. as for me, the task of the authorities right now is to make it clear to a society that does not yet understand that there is a war going on. I do not believe that Putin can be put under pressure. more than once they wrote and said that he always has his own opinion. time will put everything in its place..

[dmi.pris1]

Do you think that the West and the East will understand correctly? They have blinders in front of their eyes .. And moreover, deaf-blind

[North Caucasus]

. At the moment, by declaring a unilateral ceasefire, Putin will clearly show that it is impossible to do business with Kyiv.

And from Russia, you can twist ropes and bend them into a ram's horn?

[Nikolay310]

how disgusting it is from all this ... in Chechnya they betrayed the guys, they betrayed the Donbass for 8 years, hiding behind Minsk ... this has never happened and here again ...

and then they say, why don’t the soldiers have motivation ... really ... and where do they get motivation with such ingenious solutions ??? they hammered, hammered these bakhmuts, salters, marinkas, and now at the very exit again, it’s healthy and the opportunity for the ukram to rest, regroup and drag reinforcements ...

[Andrey Karpov]

so draw conclusions why all these SBOs. all for the loot.

[Vladimir M]

Is Erdogan in charge now? For some time now, all of Erdogan's calls have been fulfilled. I would understand these "gestures of good will" if the children of Putin, the reindeer breeder were dying ...... And yet, where will the Ukrainians get into during this ceasefire and how will Putin look people in the eye?

[StarWarrior]

So the Russians will die as a result of this truce, not the Turks.
The main thing for the Kremlin - oil, gas, grain, fertilizers will continue to go to Turkey.

[StarWarrior]

Putin was once again deceived for the 1000th time???

[Dmitry Rigov]

Gundyaev, Shoigu, Surovikin, etc. it’s still just people in their places, what they say from above is what they do. I doubt that they are allowed to show their initiative.

[Nikolay310]

and the bosses, apparently, these characters are in Ankara and are called Erdogan

[Nikolay310]

Kirill is hardly to blame ... there a more influential character called the Kremlin today ... and his name is Sultan of the Great Turan Tayip Recep Erdogan ...

[Alex777]

Quote from StarWarrior

Damn the tobacco oligarch Gundiai!
Anathema to you to the seventh generation of all your geeks for all those killed by the Russian Federation during this truce!

Get out Satanist!
Did you scribble 5 comments in 233 days since you registered?
Pay by line?

[filibuster]

The guys in the Kremlin and not only have long understood that Russia will not be able to defeat Ukraine in the current conditions, which is being helped by the West and is looking for any opportunity to get out of the hole.

[Nickelium]

They have no choice but to win.

[filibuster]

So this victory does not exist, it should be clear by now, the entire SVO was planned on incorrect data and therefore Putin has no clear goals from here. Now victory can only be with the genocide of Ukrainians, but this is clearly not what we want.

[incognoto]

do you prefer genocide in the Russian Federation and the collapse of the country? I don’t believe that you don’t understand what the consequences will be if we surrender .. therefore, your words suggest certain thoughts to me

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote from incoggnoto

I don’t believe that you don’t understand what the consequences will be if we surrender..

EVERYONE understands what this threatens, only the problem is the same as in 91, no one will ask us, and I don’t observe Lenin on an armored car so that in which case "all power to the Soviets"

Quote from incoggnoto

so your words make me think

do not write nonsense and you will be happy that "filibuster" wrote the wrong one?!!!
the general staff, to put it mildly, screwed up on all counts, intelligence, planning, logistics, the situation is such that if you don’t wage war hard with the complete destruction of some cities, but continue as it goes, we will be pounded into a thin pancake
for the sake of interest, read the websites of ukraine and europe, the borders of 91 no longer suit anyone, and Russia is within the borders in which it was even for 13 years the same

[incognoto]

what they did at the beginning of the NWO, the question cannot be this is a fact .. let's start with the fact that we still have a lot of resources .. there are still large reserves of Soviet technology. moreover, we are a nuclear country .. at one time, many did not believe that Moscow would go to the NWO. and she went .. so for those who do not believe that the Russian Federation can use nuclear weapons, I would also advise not to talk nonsense ..
moreover, it is obvious that everything will be decided on the battlefield .. and read more about your sites ..
I don’t need to read, I already understand that the task of the West is to ruin the country .. that’s why I am writing that we will not go back to take it back .. it’s clear that it will be difficult .. but there is no other way out.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote from incoggnoto

what they did at the beginning of the NWO, there can’t be a question, this is a fact ..

let's face it - FACT, in theory, the leadership of the General Staff had to be removed

Quote from incoggnoto

let's start with the fact that we still have a lot of resources .. the reserves are still large for Soviet technology.

yes, it doesn’t matter how much technology and what kind if we don’t stupidly use it

Quote from incoggnoto

moreover, it is obvious that everything will be decided on the battlefield .. and read more about your sites ..

about what to read about our sites ?!
speak more clearly

Quote from incoggnoto

That's why I write that we will not go back.

are you serious now?!!!!!!
what is the name of the current situation?
serpentine, kiev, kharkov, kherson

[Vinogradsky]

How to defend Zmeiny without taking Odessa???

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Why then did you need to take it?

[filibuster]

do you prefer genocide in the Russian Federation and the collapse of the country? I don’t believe that you don’t understand what the consequences will be if we surrender..

Why do you think that there will not be exactly the same consequences if we "do not surrender" and destroy the whole of Ukraine to the ground by exterminating / forcing more than half of the population to flee (without this there will be no victory)?

[incognoto]

because I'm not 18 years old .. and I'm not a liberal .. I have enough brains to understand .. I know history .. and I can analyze ..

[filibuster]

Well, if you knew the history and, moreover, were able to analyze, you would definitely understand that in the current situation there is no victory, and you are only throwing phrases from propaganda talk shows.

[Eugene_Eugene]

I don't believe that you don't understand what the consequences will be

There will be no consequences, even if Donetsk and Lugansk are surrendered tomorrow. Saddam spent 12 years in the desert after the storm without nuclear weapons, Putin will sit until his death, domestic politics are under the complete control of the Kremlin.

Everything that happens after his death is his fault, the emasculation of the institutions of power to a completely incapacitated state and the removal of society from making any decisions are his merits, certainly not Ukraine and NATO.

[Nickelium]

Genocide is the deliberate extermination of civilians. You can win if you do not participate in agreements. About genocides - to the Fuhrers.

[incognoto]

again, not understanding that right now we are fighting not just for our interests, but for the survival of our nation. just remember Iraq, Yugoslavia, etc. .. there was precisely the destruction of the population .. moreover, we are fighting against the Fuhrers if you forgot ..

[filibuster]

Wait, what threatened our nation before February 24th?

[incognoto]

you do not have enough statements and Hollande and Merkel...? no one was going to solve this peacefully ... we were just the first to give in the face ... that's all .. the task of the West has always been to destroy the country ..

[filibuster]

Once again, what threatened our nation?

The task of the West has always been to destroy the country ..

Where was such a task, when did they plan to start it and who, by the way, planned it?

[incognoto]

you write with classic narratives of the West .. for the especially gifted,
1. The task is to chop off the territory of Crimea from us at least, and if you forgot Crimea, this is the territory of the Russian Federation. accordingly, an attack on our territory was implied.
2. the seizure of the territories of the LPR and the DPR .. which would be a strong defeat for the Russian Federation ..

[incognoto]

Quote from: filibuster

Wait, what threatened our nation before February 24th?

where is the link? you are trying to confuse in the hope that most will not notice ..

What kind of Crimea, back in March they were ready to fix everything on the borders until February 24th.

first you are trying to question the fact that something threatened us. then you start writing that they were ready to admit there.
and then

Quote from: filibuster

Until February 24, even the most stoned Ukrainians could not even dream of Crimea.

I doubt that you are a citizen of the Russian Federation at all .. trying to make the picture so soft .. just stoned more than once shouted about plans to seize Crimea ..
and after the interview with Merkelya Hollande, it became 100% clear .. we just gave it in the face earlier ..

[filibuster]

first you are trying to question the fact that something threatened us. then you start writing that they were ready to admit there.
and then

I’m not just questioning, I’m directly stating that neither until February 24 nor even now we as a nation, Russia as a state is not threatened by anything from the outside, the whole threat is inside us, the situation is exactly the same as I already saw in the late eighties.

I doubt that you are a citizen of the Russian Federation at all .. trying to make the picture so soft .. just stoned more than once shouted about plans to seize Crimea ..
and after the interview with Merkelya Hollande, it became 100% clear .. we just gave it in the face earlier ..

I’m just not a jingoistic patriot and I see that now another cycle of the decline of another authoritarian ruler is underway (well, we have such a fate, we live from one “leader” to another, and from time to time we are also unlucky and the country, together with the aging leader, “gets old”). As for Merkel, firstly, she is now being severely pressed, that she has been friends with Putin all this time and built gas pipelines, so she began to say that all this time she stood next to Putin with a fig in her pocket, and secondly, she didn’t remind me who was the initiator and main author of all these Minsk agreements?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote from: filibuster

It’s not that I’m questioning, I’m directly stating that neither before February 24 nor even now we as a nation, Russia as a state is not threatened by anything from the outside

one could cite DIRECT quotes from the leadership of the Western world and Ukraine about the need to destroy Russia, only if you have not seen them before you will not see them now

[filibuster]

Give direct quotes from the leadership of the Western world?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

"This war must be won on the battlefield" Josep Borrell

“There are 60 nations that have been annexed, just like Ukrainians today. It would be necessary to raise these peoples, attached to Russia. Either change the political system of Russia, or return it to a population of less than 50 million.” Lech Walesa

At the end of June, the Commission for Security and Cooperation in Europe, formed under the auspices of the US Congress, held a conference entitled “Decolonization of Russia. Moral and strategic imperative".

[filibuster]

Are these the leaders of the Western world? Well then, Medvedev is our leader of Russia, and Dugin is the ideological inspirer.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Well, if the US Congress and the High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy are neither for you, it makes no sense to prove something by itself

[filibuster]

Against the background of statements about the "decolonization of Russia", yes, they are nobody, they do not determine policy, do not own administrative resources, their level is the same as that of Kiselev, when he talked about "radioactive ashes".
Yes, I don’t insist on anything else, you like to eat propaganda, eat it. Only now I remember when the war with Germany began, the USSR curtailed all trade relations with Hitler, and in our country, according to your words, they are preparing to “decolonize” us, and we, represented by the Kremlin, want to sell them even more resources, we are looking for ways to circumvent sanctions.

[sdtreew]

well, we definitely won’t eat your propaganda, where did you get the idea that it was the Kremlin who wants to sell resources to someone, I don’t know, but it’s known how Stalin, who decolonized Russia in the 30s, sold so much bread that this caused the most terrible in our history of famine, but at the same time, it allowed us to throw out American concessions and create the heavy industry that the country needed.

[Nick2591]

In 1933, the United States had a bad harvest year. Roosevelt demanded that the next tranche of the Soviet Union's debt be paid in food grains. The debt was repaid, the people were left without bread. No wonder the word "Holodomor" was coined by the State Department with Bandera

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote from: filibuster

their level is the same as that of Kiselev

are you talking about the us congress where power is inherited

Quote from: filibuster

Only now I remember when the war with Germany began, the USSR curtailed all trade relations with Hitler, and in our country, according to your words, they are preparing to “decolonize” us, and we, represented by the Kremlin, want to sell them even more resources, we are looking for ways to circumvent sanctions.

And how does this refute my assertions?

[guest]

Have you heard about NATO expansion to the east? The enemy was getting closer and closer to our borders and surrounded us.

[filibuster]

I've heard that for 30 years we have been supplying resources to the West and nothing has "succeeded".

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

what do you want to prove?
the venality of our "elites"?
so no one argues with this

[Nikolay310]

and when did Putin have clear goals? no offense, but for 20 years he has been setting tasks for which he does not ask anyone ... if earlier they also tried to double the GDP, now his entourage does not even begin to fulfill it reasonably, realizing that there is no point in fussing and no one is there will not punish ... in extreme cases, they will find a warm place in Yandex

[Sergej1972]

Yes, from the time when the task of doubling the GDP was set, it has long been completed.

[Sergej1972]

Minusers, it’s hard to go to the sites of the IMF, the World Bank, or look in the CIA Fact Book?

[sdtreew]

Quote: Nikolay310

he has been setting tasks for 20 years, for the implementation of which he does not ask anyone.

The president is not a power, which means he does not have the authority to ask someone, he can only persuade everyone to do this, and not otherwise, no more.
Read the Constitution.

[lopvlad]

Quote from: filibuster

Now victory can only be with the genocide of Ukrainians, but this is clearly not what we want.

the only thing that Russia and its people will not allow is the defeat of Russia, and if the president needs to launch a nuclear strike on Ukraine, Europe and the USA, then we will fully support him.
We are in Paradise and they just die

[filibuster]

Rogozin back in 2013 said that the United States could destroy up to 90% of our nuclear forces at the first strike, this is by the way about who will die and who will go to heaven.

and its people will not allow this defeat of Russia

You are famously speaking for the whole people, I’m not sure what the results of the survey will be if we now ask the people whether they agree to stop the NVO, withdraw all troops from the territory of Ukraine, stop mobilization, etc. Shoigu stated that about 18 thousand volunteers went from all over the country, here she is the true support for this NWO (or already the war, at least Putin called it that once)

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote from: filibuster

here it is the true support for this NWO (or already the war, at least Putin once called it that)

you are like Boris Nadezhdin, since you didn’t stick “Z” on the car, it means you don’t support the operation in Ukraine

[filibuster]

It’s one thing in words, on the Internet, and even a sticker on a car, but it’s quite another to come to the military registration and enlistment office, it will work in the same way in the direction of “the people will not allow you to lose”, well, 18 thousand from all over the country may try not to “allow”, but a million in the Russian Guard / police / FSB / Akhmat will explain everything to them.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote from: filibuster

people won't let you lose

kindergarten webbing pants

[filibuster]

So it's up to the user lopvlad he believes that the people will not let Putin lose.

[donavi49]

How is victory achieved? With the current Verdun, this is for years. Here the economy will go haywire, and then 17/91.

If there is that same mega-offensive, then what to do if it stalls? Well, there will be a wedging and breakthroughs for 10-15-20 km with an emphasis on the next coal, tokmachka, boring, blessed-vladimirovka, which have been standing on an initially unprepared front since April-May. And here and there, and weeks-long battles for the street and a couple of houses. What is plan B for this case?

Also, what is the plan if the Europeans do not get tired, and as it is already obvious to everyone, they do not freeze. Therefore, they will not crawl to ask for forgiveness, but will militarize and minimize any contacts with Russia, as already laid down in the documents. Trite who will cover the lost income? Especially now, when oil is flooding and the price is falling.

[incognoto]

but this is nonsense, the West must also understand that there is still China that is waiting and preparing for Taiwan ..
so it's silly to write such things..

[filibuster]

This is nonsense. China will not make sudden movements, it seems to be clear to you already why, unlike our president, he still knows how to count money.

[incognoto]

how can you speak for China .. the military is obliged to prepare different options .. therefore, writing that China will not conduct its NWO is wrong. because the West is also spending a lot of resources .. and they are not unlimited .. moreover, for China this is the best time to conduct an operation .. it’s not a fact that such opportunities will still be open .. and answering in your own words, about the fact that China knows how to count money .. that is why the chance that the operation will be carried out is higher than the rejection of it ...

[Dmitry Rigov]

It’s just that China will not be able to take Taiwan quickly, and in the event of escalation / sanctions and blocking the Strait of Malacca, the Chinese economy will develop much faster than the Russian one, there will still be a billion unemployed mouths that will demolish any government.

[incognoto]

why can't it? I’m sitting here and honestly surprised by such statements .. Taiwan is an island .. that is, it can be closed completely .. the minimum supply is not even .. China has if you forgot the largest fleet in the world .. this time ..
the second point that you either don’t want to talk about or don’t understand is that sanctions are a stick at 2 ends .. in the west in China, an overwhelming number of industries .. and Chinese citizens are an order of magnitude more demanding on the standard of living .. thus, there is a chance for that that the regime will fall somewhere in the west higher than in China ..

[Dmitry Rigov]

Taiwan is also not a bastard, its defensive capabilities are at a high level. The Chinese army poses a threat to Taiwan only after the landing of the Marines, but they will not be allowed to reach the island, since Taiwan has more than enough anti-ship missiles to fight back. Those. to eliminate the threat to amphibious assault ships, China will have to literally iron the entire island with missiles in the dust, which completely makes it pointless to capture it.
Regarding the confrontation between the West and China - while the fat one dries up, the thin one dies, China will play the role of the thin one here - without money, resources, technologies.

[incognoto]

if you are all so smart, then why are you not in the General Staff? China has openly stated that it is considering conducting a military operation against Taiwan .. well, the Chinese General Staff probably has more information than you ..
go ahead, all production is in China .. and China is no longer a country of 0 years. your theory is extremely wrong .. the west will bend earlier due to the fact that they are used to living there with all the amenities ..

[Bolt cutter]

the west will bend before

Why would they (we ) bend?

[AdAstra]

Yes, I'm afraid, sir, that's really nothing. I feel like we can do it sooner...

[Bolt cutter]

I have to note that the standard of living here has nevertheless fallen. Not as catastrophic as the jingoists write, but still. And more and more often the opposition is asking the question - why? Russia, too, live and live, if wisely, the domestic market is not small, plus most countries simply have not imposed sanctions, and those that have introduced Russian goods are not really waiting in their markets .. The main thing is not to lose, here you will have more fun.
Initially, my answer was about China - and so, most of the "Chinese trash" - cheap consumer goods - has long been produced in Indonesia, Laos and other Bangladeshis. Something like this.

[AdAstra]

For you it will probably be like this "Our prayers should be for a sound mind in a healthy body." or maybe like this "Little knoweth the fat sow what the lean doth mean." I think you understand what I mean and who in the Russian version of "who is who".

[Al manah]

Please remind me - when did they recruit smart people to the General Staff?

[filibuster]

China has openly stated that it is considering conducting a military operation against Taiwan .. well, probably the Chinese General Staff has more information than you.

Yes China recently said hold me seven if the plane from Pelonsi land in Taiwan what?

[YanniKounnar]

"- sans argent, resources, technologies."
:-) vous oubliez que "l'occident" vit sur des dettes alors que la Chine a un confortable stock d'avoir ...
D'autres part "l'occident" ne peut pas se passer de ce que produit la Chine (quasiment tout ce qui est acheté en occident est fabriqué en Chine ( médicaments, téléphone, ordinateurs, outils etc etc...)

[aglet]

"The Chinese economy will develop much faster than the Russian one, there will still be a billion unemployed mouths"
and where did you get it from? China will have a huge sales market - Russia and the CIS countries, and an inexhaustible source of cheap raw materials - Russia and the CIS countries. so, the Chinese economy will not sag much. and the lost profits will be covered by increasing the prices of their goods

[topol717]

Quote from: filibuster

that Russia will not be able to defeat Ukraine in the current conditions, which is being helped by the West

Between cannot and does not want to eat 2 big differences.
1 rocket at Lvov, and the West will begin to convulse, convening the Sov. Without the UN. The second in Warsaw and threaten the third. This is where the fight ends. Next, you will need to withdraw your 600 Yards in the form of gold bars. And finish with the supply of resources. establish strong relations with North Korea, China, Iran and other countries.
And yes, this chicken will peck for a long time.

[filibuster]

China.

Yes, yes, let's become dependent on an even more insidious partner.

[incognoto]

what about addiction? show me at least one word cho I wrote about addiction?
I wrote about the fact that China is well aware that right now is the best time for it to take Taiwan. because the west does not have enough resources in 2 directions ..

[filibuster]

Well, how else if you propose to happen to trade with China, only he can offer us something similar to the volumes of the West, but being the only partner, he will twist his arms so that the West will seem like a philanthropist, but he actually twists his arms.
And the second thing you still don’t understand is that China is now counting the money, the profit from the conquest of Taiwan will not close the losses, so I would assume that nothing will happen until the next CCP Congress and Xi’s re-election.

[sofkar]

CANNOT or WANT TO.
You in this branch with filibuster simply differ in definitions.
So I can give a neighbor a hammer on the head if he pisses me off? Technically I CAN - and I have a hammer and I have enough strength. But legally, as it were, I can’t, because they will put me in jail. And then it already starts to look like I DON'T WANT.
That is, I DO NOT WANT the onset of consequences.
Can the Russian Federation technically turn western Ukraine into a salt lake. Let's say it can! But the consequences are clear. Apparently all the notable participants, including China and Turkey. And these consequences are personal and point.
For example, that the entire top of the Russian Federation will live the rest of their lives in the DPRK, if they are lucky to get there, and if the DPRK lasts so long.

[topol717]

Quote: Sofkar

Do you offer the entire top of the Russian Federation the rest of their lives to live in the DPRK?

They are all under sanctions anyway, and if you understand, they are talking about negotiations on the Conditions of Ukraine. These comrades now have 2 roads, to the registry office and to the Prison. So in the registry office only through victory, and the longer the fuss, the closer the prison.

[sofkar]

Quote from: topol717

Quote: Sofkar

Do you offer the entire top of the Russian Federation the rest of their lives to live in the DPRK?

They are all under sanctions anyway, and if you understand, they are talking about negotiations on the Conditions of Ukraine. These comrades now have 2 roads, to the registry office and to the Prison. So in the registry office only through victory, and the longer the fuss, the closer the prison.

Here I completely agree with you. BUT. The registry office is supposed to be for the Russian Federation as a whole, and for violations of conventional rules, these "brothers of the bride" prescribed salt PERSONALLY to "comrade Saakhov" (collective)
And what you suggested earlier:

1 rocket at Lvov, and the West will begin to convulse, convening the Sov. Without the UN. The second in Warsaw and threaten the third.

- this cell in the game is immediately "to prison", and personally for a couple of hundreds (thousands) of the highest echelon of management.
Therefore, they are ready for anything (the best they can), but not the "nucleus".
If you look at the development of events from this point, then everything becomes not contradictory. And you don't have to cry out "just don't want to".
Everything they can, but only "within the framework of personally brought" rules - everyone does or tries.

[solar]

1 rocket at Lvov, and the West will begin to convulse, convening the Sov. Without the UN.

You do not understand what nonsense you write. The use of nuclear weapons against a non-nuclear state is an unequivocal termination of the NPT. In five years there will be a dozen more nuclear states in the world, in ten years there will be about fifty. The current nuclear weapons of the nuclear powers will depreciate. Nobody needs it.

[albert]

Quote from solar

The use of nuclear weapons against a non-nuclear state is an unequivocal termination of the NPT. In five years there will be a dozen more nuclear states in the world, in ten years there will be about fifty. The current nuclear weapons of the nuclear powers will depreciate. Nobody needs it.

Nonsense. The Dnyao is not particularly observed anyway, Israel and Korea are an example of this.

[Nikolay310]

well, if he can’t, then you need to leave the guys for 36 hours under shelling without the right to answer ??? hoping to earn forgiveness on their blood???

since your Russia cannot, then leave ... let the one who will fight and the one who finds normal "marshals" instead of plywood come

[alexoff]

Looks more like he's trying to dig himself a deeper hole.

[StarWarrior]

Why dig a new hole? She already is. Ganina Yama was tested for these purposes in 1918 and is again ready to accept all those who are close-minded

[North Caucasus]

Well, the Soviet Union also fought with the collective West. And won! Why? Because there were steel genitals!

[filibuster]

Only in allies we had the United States and England, and now they are allies of Ukraine.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote from: filibuster

Only in allies we had the USA and England

while the Allies successfully traded with Hitler

[Shamil88]

And Putin decided to play nobility on the blood of our guys and gave the order to cease fire for a day, the grandfather completely collapsed from the oak tree, in what reality do they live there? This one is worse than Yeltsin, at least he didn’t play a patriot, what else needs to happen for him to stop playing NWO? He is already ready to carry out any instructions from Erdogan

[spirit]

If I were Svidomo now, I would burrow even deeper underground in Bakhmut for two days, since such an attraction of unheard-of generosity. And then the Landing Forces and Wagner will knock them out at the cost of much more blood, but what is the life of soldiers compared to Caesar's "beautiful" gesture

[Blackmokona]

Quote: spirit

If I were Svidomo now, I would burrow even deeper underground in Bakhmut for two days, since such an attraction of unheard-of generosity. And then the Landing Forces and Wagner will knock them out at the cost of much more blood, but what is the life of soldiers compared to Caesar's "beautiful" gesture

Why should they bother? They can go on the attack, the Russians will be forbidden to shoot at them by order of the commander-in-chief, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine themselves did not sign any agreements and did not give words not to shoot.

[VB]

You can transfer equipment from the west in a continuous stream. Betrayal at all levels.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

.... I have no other words
Why ... this circus with horses had to be arranged in principle, if everything was poured into a cesspool?!!!!!

[Sergei Viktorovich Korolev]

I see nothing but a betrayal of Russia's interests!!!

[Rusik.S]

And Putin announced a truce. Another gesture of goodwill, or what? Only an idiot or a traitor can act like this, I just don’t see other options

[Rage66]

On January 5, Patriarch Kirill of Moscow and All Rus' called for a truce in Ukraine and the Donbass so that the Orthodox could celebrate Christmas in peace. The clergyman also indicated the time from 12:00 on January 6 to 24:00 on January 7.

It started again. Pop Kirill decided to promote himself.
These "Orthodox" direct artillery fire on our guys.

[Venara]

Exchanging pathos for common sense. Gave a break to the enemy. Principal enemy. Who benefits from this/better?

[Chem1st]

I instruct the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation to introduce from 12.00:6 January 2023, 24.00 to 7:2023 January XNUMX, XNUMX a ceasefire along the entire line of contact between the parties in Ukraine..

Guys, yes, he is completely inadequate with us .... Something scared me ....

[AdAstra]

Not for you alone"""""

[GeneralShahimatovich]

Sorry, our president is a senile.

[ximkim]

It is necessary to close all the bunkers for the president in Russia for five years, since the lack of sunlight leads to a loss of common sense.

[Dizel200]

Well, what, now there are specific persons who must be held accountable if something happens during the fulfillment of their desires and orders.

[nikolas 83]

Sunny-faced, merciful.

[RuAbel]

What about Baptism? Platoon, naked and in Bakhmutka!

[VB]

Or maybe, it’s so conceived, just give up positions and leave?

[ximkim]

Quote: spirit

If I were Svidomo now, I would burrow even deeper underground in Bakhmut for two days, since such an attraction of unheard-of generosity. And then the Landing Forces and Wagner will knock them out at the cost of much more blood, but what is the life of soldiers compared to Caesar's "beautiful" gesture

That's all, the clinic.
And the worst thing is that this clinic will continue after the 2024 elections.

[StarWarrior]

And yet the Soviet government was right in the fight against obscurantism!
The Red Army defeated the Nazis because it was atheistic and believed in the power of reason, not prejudice.
Otherwise, with such truces, our grandfathers would have proclaimed the Great Patriotic War.

[alexoff]

But the Red Army did not arrange a truce on November 7, since our fellow communists were under occupation on the other side of the front line. And in general, no truces were arranged

[samarin1969]

The operation follows the traditions of business: infographics, press approaches, "presentations" of new "branches" ... Now here is such a miserable "public relations".

Simply - "end of the world": "When the sea becomes land, and the night becomes day. When clowns become presidents, etc. ..."

[dandy]

Damn, I'm already waiting for the next news with some shudder ... Well, what to do with this?!! This is some kind of masochism. We will be saved, probably, by our own, Pinochet, domestic bottling? I don't know anymore....

[Nikolay310]

yeah ... and Navalny will become this Pinochet and then the living will envy the dead ... Russia has a great example of how to act ... but no, we will call the Pinochets and Mussolini

[dmi.pris1]

Why Navalny right away? Why not from the current commanders of the former republics of Donbass, and now the regions of Russia?

[Alex777]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

Why not from the current commanders of the former republics of Donbass, and now the regions of Russia?

Who do you mean?
Being a squad leader is all about skills and charisma.
To be the head of state, other skills are needed ...

[RuAbel]

But there will be fools, and services in churches will be arranged in the front line ...

[Andrey Karpov]

We are waiting for a damn hundred new "makeevkas". it's just a fagot

[dmi.pris1]

Here you don’t need to wang. And it’s so sickening in my soul ..

[Alex777]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

Here you don’t need to wang. And it’s so sickening in my soul ..

To the one who has registered for 3 days - only wang and remains. His job is like this.
I wrote a lot of things here, both above and below.
Look. Maybe not so boring.

[donavi49]

By the way, if you look at the weather, this truce guarantees the passage of January with warmth.

Kyiv - the most severe cold until January 8 (up to -11), and 9 is already -5-8, then -2 +5 actually until the end of the month.
Kharkiv - up to -13 on Sunday. Further warming.

Conventionally, if the next strike is on January 11-12 and later, then even in the worst-case scenario with a complete blackout, the systems will not unfreeze. In fact, the only chance for critical damage is just Christmas frosts.

[AdAstra]

News by email
"Putin instructed to introduce a temporary ceasefire on the line of contact in the NVO zone"
As they say without comment ...
But I won’t say another bad word about those who left for Georgia and other Kazakhstans. Since what I read about is pure schizophrenia or I don’t even know what it is and it motivates me very much on the front line

[Normal]

From the point of view of military operations, utter stupidity. And from the point of view of explaining this by a large number of Orthodox, the gesture is probably understandable, but only theoretically. The enemy is cunning, vile, unprincipled, deceitful. How can you negotiate with someone who lies like he breathes? That is, for 8 years they did not ask the Sumerians to stop fire in the Donbass on Christmas, when the NWO began dancing with a tambourine. Strange NWO, now the inhabitants of Donbass are threshed many times more than in the previous 8 years. What's the point then? Came to liberate and ditch more? I said and I will repeat, the people can endure and forgive a lot, except for stupidity and weakness.

[Blackmokona]

Quote: Normal

From the point of view of military operations, utter stupidity. And from the point of view of explaining this by a large number of Orthodox, the gesture is probably understandable, but only theoretically. The enemy is cunning, vile, unprincipled, deceitful. How can you negotiate with someone who lies like he breathes? That is, for 8 years they did not ask the Sumerians to stop fire in the Donbass on Christmas, when the NWO began dancing with a tambourine. Strange NWO, now the inhabitants of Donbass are threshed many times more than in the previous 8 years. What's the point then? Came to liberate and ditch more? I said and I will repeat, the people can endure and forgive a lot, except for stupidity and weakness.

You didn't understand the whole situation. Nobody agrees with anyone. Just a one-sided move by Russia.

[solar]

How can you negotiate with someone who lies like he breathes?

Still worse. Nobody agreed with anyone.

[Mikhail Ivanov]

Not a believer, but I will say my opinion: "They are Satanists, the American line of the sick!"
You can expect anything from them, so you need to preempt!!!

[BIS.service]

If the Ukrainians do not recognize the truce, then we do not need it either, otherwise there will be extra victims among ours. Who will be responsible for this? Patriarch?

[VB]

In Russian history, there was already a similar figure - Peter III. He just gave Prussia back to Frederick II with Koenigsberg, surrendered Berlin, made peace with the losing king. This became unbearable for the Russian officers and he got a fork in the neck. The dubious laurels of a traitor do not give rest.

[Nikolay310]

Peter the Third had a wife ... who, although the Duchess of Anhaltzerbskaya, in fact turned out to be more russified than all Russians ... but what about this one? Krivonogikh and Kabaev? with Rogozin and Milonov?

[aglet]

"and Milonov"
Milonov, by the way, serves as a gunner on a cannon, unlike the royal wolf, who ate vodka in restaurants

[AndreyKa54076]

How already everyone was fed up with these Kremlin peacekeepers with their gestures of goodwill... 36 hours to start the offensive, unanswered rocket attacks and the killing of our guys!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Podolyak said that "Ukraine does not attack foreign territory" and that a "temporary truce" is possible only if Russia withdraws from the occupied territories.

[Salt]

And now how can our soldiers not respond to the shelling and attacks of the enemy?
When they beat on the left cheek, deliver the right or straight forehead?
Who needs this truce?
Beat the Nazis to the last!

[Nikolay310]

Gurulyov called the Christmas truce stupidity ... in my memory I don’t remember something that the deputies of the EdRa spoke so directly about the instructions of their supreme ...

it seems that Pu is starting to be brought down ... and most importantly, he did everything so that NO ONE would marry him ... well, maybe except for individual Cerberus from the 2nd (if I'm not mistaken) regiment of the Russian Guard

[AdAstra]

What individual Cerberus, did you forget about 40 guardsmen from Chechnya, or do you think they did it there out of the simplicity of their soul?

[albert]

And this cannot be compared with the number of fighters in the NWO.

[alexoff]

It remains to be hoped that the troops will not follow this senile order

[Nikolay310]

it seems that the most ardent patriots of Russia are now in Kyiv (or Lvov), it is their stubborn stupidity that does not allow the "great" Pu and his plywood field marshal to merge just everything ...

about Zelensky's patriotism towards Russia, of course, sarcasm ... but the fact that there are simply no Russian patriots on the planet of pink ponies is now an approved fact

[Codett]

This is a strange behavior of the leadership, maybe a PR action or something else, what actions will the enemy take if ours do not shoot, I think that everyone understands well whether the bosses in large offices understand this. If not, then be in trouble, although I hope that everything will come to its senses.

[Metallurg_2]

Whether our authorities are under illusions that the Ukrainian side will immediately support such an undertaking is a separate issue.

Fucking strategists.
I wonder if they know the words of Suvorov: "One minute decides the outcome of the battle, one hour - the outcome of the campaign, one day - the fate of empires."
Whole day xoxlam to regroup. Oh well...
It is clear who the Sultan is working for, who called for a unilateral ceasefire. But for whom does our Holy One work, calling to do the same?

[Fangaro]

The Kyiv regime commented on the call of the Patriarch of Moscow and All Rus' Kirill for a Christmas truce in Ukraine and Donbass. Recall that earlier the head of the Russian Orthodox Church noted the importance of this bright Orthodox holiday for all believers and called on the parties to the conflict to stop hostilities for at least one day.

Devilish words of the Ukrainian adviser Zelensky. He doesn't want to stop fratricide for a day! Infidel Kyiv!!!

[Andrey Andreev_2]

Like Satanists, Ukrainians and NATO members with the EU. I am writing the last word and reading - SS men ...

[Alex777]

Satanists. And they don't hide it.
Therefore, the victory will be for Russia.

[al3x]

In honor of the holiday, they will also begin to hammer with double strength. And what about ours? Will they just watch for 36 hours? How is that...

[Waterways 672]

And how do you imagine it? Kyiv partners will hammer, and our fighters will sit in the trenches and pray, yes, they will score a big and thick bolt on this truce, and the answer will fly to respected Kyiv partners. I see no other options, this is not the situation before June 22, 1941, when they were afraid to provoke Hitler.

[al3x]

I hope that it will be like that. We will see. Still, it would not hurt at the end of this "one-sided truce" to iron for all the missed 36 hours. Direct 08.01 from 00:01

[Alex777]

This is what is now going to the front while the alarmists are whining:

[Ural resident]

In fact, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will iron our positions for a day, calmly replenish ammunition and rotate, and ours will have the strictest ban on retaliation. They will not obey, most likely the DPR corps, and then they will be punished from above, since formally they are already part of the Russian army.

[Alex777]

Quote: Resident of the Urals

In fact, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will iron our positions for a day, calmly replenish ammunition and rotate, and ours will have a strict ban on retaliation.

There are no alarmists on you.

[spektr9]

There are no alarmists on you.

Under Stalin, you would have stood at the wall for betraying your homeland ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Alex777

There are no alarmists on you.

why do you call sincere rejection of negotiations with the enemy alarmism?

[g_ae]

Well, apparently some lovers of "goodwill gestures" like it when raguli spit in their faces. Masochism, however. Life teaches nothing. It remains to call Zelyabobus and the gang "partners". Tfu, what a mess!

[arnulla]

For Putin, show-offs and balabolism have long outweighed things that are actually useful for the country

[RED_ICE]

I wonder who else will run for president of Russia in 2024?

[rocket757]

Meanwhile, the Russian president has already signed a decree suspending hostilities along the entire line of contact.

. He is trying to show himself holier than the Pope... this is not useful for anyone, but for a statesman, it is CONTRAINDICATED!
One hope is that the military does not consider itself such and will act based on the current situation.
From the outside looking in... it’s some kind of nonsense, if not worse.
Whoever whistled such a thing in the ears of the Supreme Commander should look at him and...

[AdAstra]

Yeees??? But how did they write about the mobilized before, when they were outraged by poor training, Order Discipline???

[Rustic]

Order Discipline???

But the order doesn’t say anything about the fact that you can’t shoot on the spot those traitors who force you to carry out this criminal order.

[rocket757]

Come on, I also wrote that.... your head should be in place.
Also, there must be commanders who know how to make decisions based on an assessment of the situation here and now, and not there, far away, in warm, bright offices.

[UAZ 452]

From the outside looking in... it’s some kind of nonsense, if not worse.
Whoever whistled such a thing in the ears of the Supreme Commander should look at him and...

Even after the exchange of godfather Medvedchuk for the Azov people, I realized that our Supreme Commander either has absolutely no knowledge of mass psychology, or for some reason believes that he is above such trifles.

[AdAstra]

By the way, where are the regular cheer guards? I would really like to read their explanations now.

[dmi.pris1]

Read a couple of articles ago. One young lady took this as the spread of fakes. Well, they live in a world depicted on TV

[Third district]

Quote from AdAstra

By the way, where are the regular cheer guards?

They don’t know which song to sing yet. No instructions have yet been received on how to explain all this. Apparently their curators themselves are at a loss.

[Alex777]

Quote: Jovanni

There is no God there, there are demons and devils.

And there is.

Quote: Jovanni

What do they need Christmas for?

The offer was not for Satanists.
Everything you need has already been seen.

[rocket757]

God... is with us, so they say, BUT, does God forgive the fools???
Where is it written about this, who can say this???

[Rustic]

Think, pray and ask for forgiveness from the Almighty.

Do you also live in a world of pink ponies? Why would Satanists suddenly begin to pray, and even to the Almighty?

[Peter1First]

Firstly, it’s unlikely to be the last, judging by Kherson, the Kharkov region, the grain deal, etc.... Secondly, they won’t even think about praying, because... they have nothing sacred. Thirdly, with the participation of England and America, they are already thinking and planning how to more effectively crush our positions in these 36 hours and return what we took from them at such a high and bloody price!

[Alex777]

Your imagination, but for peaceful purposes...

[Alex777]

Quote: Anton Boldakov

In the USSR they knew what they were doing when they pursued the policy of atheism.

And where is it, the USSR?
During the Second World War, by the way, the entire fight against religion was curtailed.

[spektr9]

And where is it, the USSR?

Destroyed by the same one who now prohibits opening fire on the enemy, who at this time is destroying our soldiers and civilians. Those. Now there is an open betrayal of the homeland. And it’s a good idea for the respected guarantor, just like you, to put forward a vote of no confidence, but everyone who could have put it forward has been lying in the grave for 30 years, your Boriska and Marked tried their best... So we’re waiting for a NATO landing with jingoistic “patriots” at the head of the column

[fiv]

"When I hear the words 'truce with the Khlokhls,' my hand reaches for the gun"

[certero]

I will not comment on this news. Because without swearing it is impossible to express emotions.
But the fact that the government has completely divorced itself from the people is now 100% clear. Didn’t they study history and don’t know anything about how things were in 1914-17?

[jdiver]

Didn’t they study history and don’t know anything about how things were in 1914-17?

No... they have become too accustomed to the image of the elite of “the Russia that we lost in 1917”, apparently they want to take part in the new 17th in this image.

[sdtreew]

Quote: certero

Didn’t they study history and don’t know anything about how things were in 1914-17?

But how was it in '17? Do you know that?
in 1917, Russia was preparing an offensive - this set in motion the fifth column, which created an internal rebellion, this led to the destruction of Russia.
Conclusion: it is impossible to advance at the front with a fifth column in the rear.
it is necessary to purge foreign agents, nationalize the Central Bank, abolish external control, and lift the ban on state ideology.

[Alex777]

Quote from sdtreew

foreign agents need to be cleaned

And the alarmists must be cleared out first.

[Carlos Hall]

What will happen when the Ukrainians start shooting and the Russians comply with the ceasefire order?

[Alex777]

There is no ceasefire order. All this is fiction.
An offer was made, the offer was not accepted.
As expected. There's nothing more to talk about.

[Sergej1972]

And, in fact, why are commentators confident that ours will not respond to the shelling?

[Des]

This is the task)), not only tspios works according to commands and manuals))).

[Rustic]

And, in fact, why are commentators confident that ours will not respond to the shelling?

But here there are not many options. Or maintain discipline as the commanders demand, and not return fire and die. Or slap the commander who forces him to carry out this criminal order. Since there will be no one to monitor the execution of the order, then there is no need to execute the order.

[aglet]

“And, in fact, why are commentators sure that ours will not respond in response to shelling?”
those who are under Putin in the vertical of power may well, in their stupid zeal, take away cartridges from soldiers, remove sights from cannons, and machine guns from airplanes, there have already been examples in history

[Incvizitor]

On the ground, everything will continue, on the topic of aviation and the Iskander caliber they will most likely drag on.

[Ru_Na]

I wonder for what purpose the GDP announced this initiative?! The West and Ukraine will perceive this initiative as weakness, and not a gesture of goodwill associated with a Christian holiday.

[sadam2]

I remember he came, young and energetic. drenched in the toilet... and after a quarter of a century, history returned... a decrepit ruler on Borka's rake...

[Ruslan Sledkov]

I think that for the sake of the few percent of believing soldiers who go to church, it was not worth introducing a general truce. Let these few percent go to churches on Christmas. This will not affect the combat effectiveness of the army in the Northern Military District and there is no need to issue any decrees.

[vindigo]

Ours did something stupid. They already celebrated Christmas on December 25th.

[sdtreew]

Quote: Analyzer_analyzed

But tell me, a common man in the street. Why do I, an ordinary person, need “new territories”. Will my family live better?

Stop being a philistine, start studying the history of the Fatherland.
These are not “new territories”, these are our old internationally recognized territories based on the results of 45; fatherlands are formed in wars and we do not have another Fatherland.
For 30 years, fighting has been going on on our territory only because the traitors abandoned unity and the rule of law.
And at what borders would you be willing to stop, those that the next traitors will point out to you, abandoning the Russian people abroad, how far are you willing to retreat?
What is the difference between Grozny in the 90s and Kiev today - no.
What is the difference between the separatists of the Ukrainian SSR today and the separatists of Chechnya in the 90s - no.

Problems of sovereignty cannot be solved for free.

Quote: Putin

Russia will either be sovereign or it will not exist at all

Quote: Putin

2022 is ending. It's been a year of hard, necessary decisions the most important steps towards gaining full sovereignty of Russia and powerful consolidation of our society.

This was a year of truly pivotal, fateful events. They have become the frontier that lays the foundation for our common future, our true independence.

This is what we are fighting for today., we protect our people in our own historical territories in the new constituent entities of the Russian Federation. Together we build and create.

The main thing is the fate of Russia. Defending the Motherland is our sacred duty to our ancestors and descendants. Moral and historical correctness is on our side.

We have always known, and today we are again convinced that the sovereign, independent, safe future of Russia depends only on us, on our strength and will.

Since 2014, after the Crimean events, Russia has been living under sanctions, but this year a real sanctions war was declared on us. Those who started it expected the complete destruction of our industry, finances, and transport.

This did not happen because we all together created a reliable margin of safety. What we have done and are doing in this area is all aimed at strengthening our sovereignty in the most important area - the economy. And our struggle for ourselves, for our interests and for our future, certainly serves as an inspiring example for other states in their desire for a fair multipolar world order.

[StarWarrior]

The whole world simply laughs at the peacekeeping masochism of the Russian leadership during the Great Patriotic War, and the Nazis of Ukraine and other enemies of Russia simply mock Podolyak in this case.
No one can come up with a stronger way to humiliate Russia.
This would be very funny if this peacekeeping ostentatious insanity did not take with it every time the lives of peaceful Russian people and Russian soldiers

[1razvgod]

the feeling that they are intertwining :) this one spat in the face, this one spat even more.... Why do people have to wipe themselves?

[BorzRio]

The president wants to go down in history as a humane ruler... This is a self-isolation from reality. History does not forgive weakness. The world does not consider it a force to parade into a foreign country with an army unprepared for large-scale combat operations. They do not consider force to end up with bloody people and run for help to the civilian population, declaring mobilization in peacetime, sending yesterday’s taxi drivers, engineers and managers to the front. Lies to the people and the world that have been destroyed hundreds of times by enemy air defenses and air forces are not considered force. Stupid passes into the interior of the country to the airfields of enemy drones, or the loss of a fleet flagship for nothing, are not considered force. Flight, redeployment and other retreats from those whom he came to demilitarize are not considered force. The agreements and the release of captured Nazi criminals whom you came to denazify and promised them a tower and a life sentence are not considered force. They do not consider the power of pleas for negotiations with those whom you yourself attacked and promised to eliminate as a threat. They do not consider as a force those who for 11 months have not been able to protect from shelling those for the sake of whose protection you started everything. They do not consider any unilateral truces at the front at the request of the priest to be force. All this is a weakness, from which the enemy grows confidence in his victory and rightness, and among his population and army - doubts about the adequacy of leadership

[Carlos Hall]

The Russian government is showing signs of decay. With these actions he is digging his own grave.

[dmi.pris1]

Yesterday, one idiot in Kyiv wrote about internal processes in Russia that will lead to the victory of Ukraine.... One could laugh at this, until today's shame

[jdiver]

The Russian government is showing signs of decay. With these actions he is digging his own grave.

It would be nice if only for myself. He would be forgiven for that...

[AdAstra]

And what do you want to see there? No conscience?

[UAZ 452]

Before the New Year, no one offered any truces. On the contrary - there were massive congratulations on the holiday from our side. The enemy responded pointwise, in Makiivka, and the "holiday" score turned out, alas, by no means in our favor. And now, after Makiivka, even a unilateral initiative with a truce looks like a veiled request to the Armed Forces of Ukraine not to congratulate them on the holiday anymore. In order to make a New Year’s Eve double, we need to replenish the stock of missiles again (if the arsenals were bottomless, the energy system of Ukraine would be cut around the clock, and not once a week, but more often several times), and the Armed Forces of Ukraine have six missiles for Himars, and in the fact that ours dispersed, sheltered and camouflaged the personnel in a few days, I can’t believe with all my desire.

[Dmitry Ivanov_8]

Second Khasav-Yurt?
Or breasts in crosses or panties in bushes.

[rusich]

Gundyaev, you’d better go to Donbass and hold a liturgy there, and not in a Moscow church. It is impossible to negotiate with Ukrainians. These are corrupt people.

[Klmn]

They wrote here about digging in, etc., if I were in the place of dill, I would now go on the offensive in carts, if the order really applies to everyone! weapons, art, etc., then there is a great chance, one hope is that this is a boundary regarding geraniums, etc.
If not, then one checkmate... Even though you really miraculously resurrect Lenin or Stalin with necromancy-heromancy (from fantasy), and most of the current ones are using a filthy broom for logging, if nothing really changes, there won’t be a strong leader, the operation will be merged, Russia it will simply fall apart.
I don’t understand, either the supreme one is stuck in the land of pink ponies, or has problems with his head, or has sold out or something else, but he is playing with the same goal for the West and the Anglo-Saxons, slowly but systematically, over the last year, such an impression...
I'm shocked by the news...

[AdAstra]

Still, Santa Claus exists, he lives in Russia and his pseudonym is Putin.

[jdiver]

And there’s a whole troop of deer along the way too. Everything is as it should be in a fairy tale. Only we trust Father Frost more and more in the old fashioned way, and not Santa Claus. Maybe Santa Claus will drop by to see the light of magical goodwill gestures, and ask a couple of serious questions to Santa Claus... And his reindeer.

[Ghost1]

It’s like, a truce is only on our side, well, I would understand with a creep if they reached an agreement with the other side and announced, well, here’s the same wicket, the enemy these days will strengthen and shoot, and ours will not respond or do it in extreme necessity . No, this is complete nonsense and stupidity. And if this is just another “gesture of goodwill,” it will be taken as weakness. Alas, weakness will not lead to anything good.

[rocket757]

It’s interesting, but the NEWS will reach/report to the high towers that their... the enemy is simply spitting on their “initiatives”, but their own citizens are beginning to remember A LOT!!! It’s disgusting to even list so many....
How would I find out, someone would say, who came up with such nonsense....
By the way, if this is NOT STUPID, then what is it???

[tihon4uk]

Not the president, but a soap bubble. Once again the soldiers will pay with their lives for the betrayal of the talking head.

[Epaulettes]

Quote: Analyzer_analyzed

Well, you may say, but for eight years the Nazis bombed Donbass. And remind yourself what we did with Chechnya when the republic wanted independence. What is the difference between the events in Chechnya and the Donbass?

By the way, Lavrov not so long ago said that shelling of Russian Kherson by the Russian army is quite normal, he also cited Stalingrad as an example...

https://m-ekb.tsargrad.tv/news/lavrov-dal-chjotkij-otvet-na-vopros-po-hersonu-i-stalingrad-byl-nashej-territoriej_676358

[Ruslan Sledkov]

It can be assumed that the decree on the Christmas ceasefire is intended more for an external audience - Western countries, the UN,... In fact, it was simply necessary to organize everything well on the part of the Ministry of Defense and the Patriarchate and ensure the Christmas service and Communion of soldiers from the front line. You can organize transport to the nearest churches and hold several services there specifically for soldiers. It is necessary to ensure the safety of events. It is clear that the Ukrainians did not care about our truce and a unilateral ceasefire is stupid.

[Ruslan Sledkov]

On the contrary, it is necessary to increase the fire so that the Ukrainians cannot raise their heads and interfere with the Christmas services

[Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira]

Why humiliate yourself in front of pigs?! Hoping that they will accept it with gratitude???? Another stupid "blacharod" gesture....

[Art Pilot]

There was nothing else to expect. Firstly, there is only one name left from Orthodoxy. And secondly. they are not the ones who make the decisions. And Washington doesn’t care about Orthodox Christmas. For them, the main thing is that the meat grinder works without interruption.

[Arsi55]

The SVO has been lost, and it is not Putin who is dancing to Erdogan’s tune, but himself asking him to ask him to stop. Even the most hardened quilted jacket understands that this war cannot be won, there is nothing to win with

[zenion]

Suspension of hostilities. Then smoke breaks. Finally fraternization. Hello revolution!

[E B]

I’m shocked, well, the patriarch is understandable, he’s a church man, but I didn’t understand the president, dozens, if not hundreds of our guys could get hurt or die, but how beautiful it is politically, Putin is wrong, this can’t be done in front of the boys., I’ll understand if there’s an order respond harshly to shelling and provocations, but still they fight, give a ride to the BC, or even somewhere harshly try to make a breakthrough.

[Vyacheslav Krylov]

When the guns talk, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan is silent.
And if Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan starts singing the mellifluous serenadance, then you should turn away and not listen carefully.
The commander-in-chief, of course, knows what he is doing and knows how many additional human victims will be assigned with this beautiful gesture from the Patriarch of Moscow and All Rus' Kirill.
We live in a world of illusions and symbols, for which someone will pay. Who and what? Will we fight with truth or increase the list of sacred victims? This is disgusting!

[Metallurg_2]

The ruling regime is playing at negotiations. We are not in a war, but in the Northern Military District.

[guest]

There couldn’t have been a more stupid idea; tomorrow at exactly 12.00, Bandera’s followers will be able to calmly begin their offensive and reach Moscow within 36 hours.

[Metallurg_2]

But Abramovich, and maybe others, will have their assets unblocked.
In general, if they go on the offensive, it’s time for our troops to take the Kremlin themselves and ask: what kind of agreements are there behind the backs of the military?

[Nail71]

Except that someone has lost their mind. And the rest is just swearing.
Now it’s clear that something needs to be changed in this conservatory and urgently.
This is already too much.

[Vlad is short]

A dubious event, 100% Ukrainians will not observe it, but will still find a moment to hit the Orthodox Christians properly.

[Nail71]

Have they completely forgotten everything up there or.......
https://vvv-ig.livejournal.com/690116.html
Who is the truce with?
My grandfather Semyon Mikheevich Ananyev drove these near Rovno until the age of 56. Until Judas stopped Khrushchev.
So these guarantors have already surpassed the Judas.
PS I haven’t written here before, I just read.
But today's news just turned everything upside down.

[scaramaks27]

The mercenaries are mostly Catholics, Westerners are Uniates...and there are no Orthodox Christians there either. Well, like the President of Ukraine is NOT ORTHODOX either.. it’s all muddy