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The Kyiv regime rejected the Russian initiative for a Christmas truce

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The Kyiv regime rejected the Russian initiative for a Christmas truce

The Kyiv regime commented on the call of the Patriarch of Moscow and All Rus' Kirill for a Christmas truce in Ukraine and Donbass. Recall that earlier the head of the Russian Orthodox Church noted the importance of this bright Orthodox holiday for all believers and called on the parties to the conflict to stop hostilities for at least one day.


Continuing the struggle not only with Orthodoxy, but also with common sense, the Ukrainian authorities rejected the proposal of Patriarch Kirill, calling it "Putin's proposal", referring to the issued decree of the President of the Russian Federation.

M. Podolyak, adviser to the head of Zelensky's office, acted as the talking head in this regard. According to Podolyak, "Russia is showing hypocrisy by offering a temporary truce."

An adviser to the head of the Ukrainian president's office announced that "Russia can only get a temporary truce if it leaves the occupied territories." Podolyak made such a publication on a social network.

Recall that earlier, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, after talking with Vladimir Putin, urged him to order a unilateral cessation of hostilities. Now, after the words of Podolyak, if anyone had any illusions about this, they will dissipate. After all, it is extremely clear how the enemy will take advantage of the unilateral stoppage of military operations of the RF Armed Forces.

Meanwhile, the Russian president has already signed a decree on the suspension of hostilities along the entire line of contact. Whether our authorities are under illusions that the Ukrainian side will immediately support such an undertaking is a separate issue.
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  1. Blackmokona
    Blackmokona 5 January 2023 19: 37
    +82
    At the same time, Putin absolutely does not care, he, without any agreement with the other side of the conflict, pathetically issued a decree.
    Does he live in his own world?
    https://www.tulapressa.ru/2023/01/vladimir-putin-poruchil-vvesti-rozhdestvenskoe-peremirie-v-zone-provedeniya-svo-4612/
    At 12:00 on January 6, on the instructions of Vladimir Putin, a ceasefire will be established in the NVO zone
    Russian President Vladimir Putin instructed to suspend operations in the NWO zone for Christmas. This was reported on January 5 by the Kremlin press service with reference to the relevant instruction given by the head of state to the Minister of Defense.

    “Given the appeal of His Holiness Patriarch Kirill, I instruct the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation to introduce a ceasefire regime along the entire line of contact between the parties in Ukraine from 12:00 on January 6 this year until 24:00 on January 7 this year,” the message says. .
    1. Elephant
      Elephant 5 January 2023 19: 40
      +66
      The obliging Shoigu has already ordered the Armed Forces to stop opening fire on our military from the 6th to 36 o'clock. Banderlogs are not even surprised by this, and for some reason I personally ...
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      2. Tatyana
        Tatyana 5 January 2023 19: 52
        +54
        Patriarch Kirill: I call on all parties to establish a Christmas truce in Ukraine and Donbass

        Quote: Elephant
        The obliging Shoigu has already ordered the Armed Forces to stop opening fire on our military from the 6th to 36 o'clock. Banderlogs are not even surprised by this, and for some reason I personally ...

        Quote: BlackMokona
        At the same time, Putin absolutely does not care, he, without any agreement with the other side of the conflict, pathetically issued a decree.
        Does he live in his own world?

        How many Russians will we lose in 36 hours on the territory of the NVO?!
        And who will be responsible for this? And will he answer?

        Is this not a betrayal?!
        1. Sergei 777
          Sergei 777 5 January 2023 20: 57
          -3
          Is this not a betrayal?!

          Well, you're just like a child. There is a big backstage game going on. This game is very subtle and complex, it involves the press from both sides, intelligence from both sides, corrupt representatives of both sides, lobbyists and, of course, a large number of "neutral players". The Kremlin's calculation here is simple. Some European elites are already clearly tired of the war for the face of Ze on the covers of Western publications and want a more or less stable world. They put pressure on Ze with varying degrees of intensity, and he, in turn, rests because he does not need the world.
          So I am convinced that the idea of ​​​​a truce for 1 day is an attempt by Putin to strengthen the position of those in Europe who are for peace on terms acceptable to Russia. Like, you see, Putin proposed a truce, and Zelensky refused. This means that the image of Ze in the West will once again be revised, albeit for a small number of people. A small but necessary victory.
          PS It is quite obvious that all orders given through the press are an inflated number. On the ground they just laughed and forgot.
          1. Sibguest
            Sibguest 5 January 2023 21: 04
            -15
            I fully agree with you regarding the proposal for a truce as a means to show the true face of Ze and his jackals.
            You are minus a little - these are either those who do not think with their heads, or those who wrote the first posts, who collected a bunch of pluses from the same "thinkers", who have no critical thinking like a dolphin.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2023 21: 12
              +32
              the problem is that "showing the true face" has been going on since the spring, only the West doesn't give a damn about it, but the same for us, then the question is WHY?!!!!
              1. Sergei 777
                Sergei 777 5 January 2023 22: 05
                +4
                I think it's a long game. They say we tried so many times ... and they ...
                Well, in general, it could be tougher. Especially at the beginning of the conflict.
                1. Shurik70
                  Shurik70 5 January 2023 23: 07
                  +6
                  We offered, they refused.
                  Well, then, there will NOT be a truce. Because it can only be with mutual consent.
                2. KAV
                  KAV 5 January 2023 23: 20
                  +12
                  Quote: Sergey 777
                  I think it's a long game. They say we tried so many times ... and they ...
                  Well, in general, it could be tougher. Especially at the beginning of the conflict.
                  You know, I used to think the same way, and I still think that we have a long game to show the true face of the West and their hangers-on. But! When this long game goes at the expense of our guys, the fighters who are given the order to cease fire, and at the same time they are being ironed by the enemy - I cannot perceive this otherwise than as a betrayal! Moreover, in addition to showing the true face of the West, one should also not cover up one's face! You must have the will! Gotta be proud! We must have a force capable of conveying our demands to the enemy! You can't always be good! Sometimes you have to be honest too!
                  1. Serge9901
                    Serge9901 6 January 2023 01: 01
                    +3
                    Absolutely agree . You can "play for a long time" in diplomacy, but here is a war. Thousands of dead. How many victims! All games ended on the 24th, they started NWO or whatever you call it - fighting - fight or DO NOT fight. It doesn’t work out - explain, argue and take up defense and try ... I don’t even know - they’ll just tear Russia apart from the inside and out ... Then the 90s will seem to us exactly “holy”.
          2. user
            user 5 January 2023 21: 10
            +19
            A small but necessary victory.


            Every meanness must be justified. The people have long understood that there is one agreement, many people close to the throne make money out of thin air. The locals feel very uncomfortable there, because they live there and have nowhere to go.
          3. fruc
            fruc 5 January 2023 21: 28
            +13
            Sergey 777 ... So I am convinced that the idea of ​​​​a truce for 1 day is Putin's attempt to strengthen his position .....

            I deeply doubt that these GDP gestures in Europe and America will be appreciated and paid attention to. Everything will be exactly the opposite. Possible provocations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with self-shelling, and even in their temples.
            1. guest
              guest 5 January 2023 22: 35
              +5
              Quote: frruc
              in Europe and America, someone will appreciate

              Of course, they will appreciate it as a sign of weakness.
            2. Chronos
              Chronos 5 January 2023 23: 06
              +6
              Quote: frruc
              Sergey 777 ... So I am convinced that the idea of ​​​​a truce for 1 day is Putin's attempt to strengthen his position .....

              I deeply doubt that these GDP gestures in Europe and America will be appreciated and paid attention to. Everything will be exactly the opposite. Possible provocations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with self-shelling, and even in their temples.

              These are gestures for China, India and the "friend of Rejep", the requests of the latter are especially significant - foreign trade goes through Turkey.
              1. bayard
                bayard 6 January 2023 03: 01
                +1
                Quote: Chronos
                and "friend of Rejep", the requests of the latter are especially significant - foreign trade goes through Turkey.

                "Friend Erdogan" just sent to / to a large batch of armored vehicles ... for us, of course, he is very significant.
                A "beautiful gesture" with a truce is for "amending karma" in front of "partners". We have not heard a single shot or arrival in Donetsk since the evening. Already .
                What is needed is not a truce, but a decisive offensive. Once the preparation of the reserves is completed. That's just the frost would come and the earth seized.
          4. ABC-schutze
            ABC-schutze 5 January 2023 22: 11
            +4
            Yes, not a "game" is going on, but a war. The big war of ALL against Russia ...

            Aren't you tired, "by inertia", of still continuing to pretend to be "Brzezinski" with their armchair fabrications about "chessboards"? .. And other "games"? ..

            All the "games" on February 24 ended ... And the conditions acceptable for Russia OPENED, CLEARLY and JUSTIFIED, were transferred to all "players" by Moscow at the end of 2021 ...

            AND ANY attempt by the inhabitants of the Kremlin waiting rooms, some kind of "behind the scenes" continuation of these games after February 24, in order to develop some other "acceptable conditions" AND THERE IS A TREASON OF THE INTERESTS OF NATIONAL SECURITY OF RUSSIA ...

            Yes, and all of Russia, as a whole ... It's me, as "not thinking with my head", I answer you and your supporters ...
          5. Andy_nsk
            Andy_nsk 5 January 2023 23: 38
            +5
            . There is a big backstage game going on.

            In general, I agree. Let me note one more thing: the regional religious and secular authorities switched literally before the New Year to the Gregorian calendar and celebrated Christmas "together with the whole world" on December 25th. Of course, they will ignore Orthodox Christmas, there will be no truce, this is pure politics, designed to split the West. And if there are all-weapons here who believe that ours will sit exactly as long as the ukroreykh fires at them, he is ready to calm them down, in some places there have been such truces in history five times a week, after the first shot of the enemy, the truce stops, and in him everything that can fly flies!
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          7. Diomat
            Diomat 6 January 2023 02: 19
            +1
            I think a little deeper .... here, whatever one may say, its own nuances ... very much looks like a provocation. We learned something and, as it were, gave a hint, don’t even think about it. the answer is predictable. So it will be a Christmas present soon.
            1. ABC-schutze
              ABC-schutze 6 January 2023 10: 54
              0
              It's not "deeper", it's just empty "florid" ...
        2. lopvlad
          lopvlad 5 January 2023 21: 27
          -24
          Quote: Tatiana
          Is this not a betrayal?!


          betrayal is when, during a war, hitting your president and commander-in-chief in the back is excellent in helping the enemy.
          We do not care about the opinion of other countries, and even more so, we do not consider the Kyiv puppet of the West to be a party to the conflict.
          1. mher
            mher 5 January 2023 21: 38
            +8
            Who are you talking about?? Which high priest? Ah, the one with the actors in camouflage to take a picture? Yes, it's a knife in the back. But who is V.V. a knife in the back so that he then sits down at the table, builds a hub, and so on.
          2. ABC-schutze
            ABC-schutze 5 January 2023 22: 00
            +3
            Stop ostentatiously indignant and engaging in demagogy, Comrade Colonel...

            The Russians, even without your "literacy campaigns" FOR NINE YEARS, are well aware that the Kiev regime is not a "side" of the conflict. AND THE INSTRUMENT OF THE CONFLICT IS IN THE HANDS OF THEIR WESTERN OWNERS... AND THE TOOL IS EFFECTIVE...

            And from the Russian authorities and from you, propagandists - demagogues (knife in the back, betrayal ...) DEMAND FAIRLY and JUSTIFIEDLY, this TOOL of Western OWNERS, TO BREAK DECISIVELY and RUTHlessly!

            What else, FOR THE TENTH MONTH, IT IS "incomprehensible""? ..
          3. Stas157
            Stas157 6 January 2023 00: 22
            0
            Quote: lopvlad
            betrayal is when, during a war, hitting your president and commander in chief in the back is excellent for this helping the enemy

            Wait a second! Who is helping the enemy?
        3. Fast_mutant
          Fast_mutant 5 January 2023 22: 12
          +10
          Quote: Tatiana
          And who will be responsible for this?

          No one ever under the current government.
        4. Alexander Trubitsin
          Alexander Trubitsin 5 January 2023 22: 51
          +7
          Only a complete idiot could give such an order! This is another gesture of goodwill at the cost of the lives of our men. Such orders should be put up against the wall.
        5. Peter1First
          Peter1First 5 January 2023 23: 26
          -1
          The ROC risked dropping its authority below the plinth - don’t go to a fortune teller, these 36 hours will bring a bunch of corpses and the loss of reclaimed positions, perhaps even the entire front will crumble! But how did Putin fall for this whim? - just does not fit in my head!
          1. ABC-schutze
            ABC-schutze 6 January 2023 13: 48
            0
            Yes, not the "ROC", but the top of the Moscow Patriarchate ....

            And it was not Putin who was "led", but "at the suggestion" of the Kremlin, which is more than obvious, Kirill (his opinion in "such cases", neither as a person, nor as a Patriarch who does not have ...) this next "gesture" of an impotent "good will" of the Kremlin inhabitants, obediently voiced ...

            And SAMITO, the Orthodox Russians asked him and Putin about it?..

            Maybe one of them, this "Kremlin magician", put AT LEAST ONE such request into the "ball on the Christmas tree"? .. Or how else was the wish expressed? ..

            But the Turk Erdogan said. And quite specific. But he, it seems, has a distant relation to Orthodoxy ...

            Is that the so-called. To the "Patriarch of Constantinople" - a schismatic, he writes out a "certificate" for the care of the flock ...
        6. Alex777
          Alex777 6 January 2023 02: 56
          0
          Quote: Tatiana
          How many Russians will we lose in 36 hours on the territory of the NVO?!
          And who will be responsible for this? And will he answer?
          Is this not a betrayal?!

          Tatyana!
          By the way, under Comrade Stalin, you would have already been packed for such a post, regardless of past merits.
          Much ado about nothing.
          The offer was made. There is nothing terrible in it.
          You, an unbeliever, will not understand the reasons for this proposal.
          The fact that the enemies would not accept him was obvious from the beginning.
          They didn't accept him.
          Therefore, we will not lose a single Russian in 36 hours.
          All your pathos is gone.
          Modern information wars are built according to certain rules. Today we have one of the few cases when we outplayed 404.
          The UN has already commented, and Biden did not remain silent.
          Effect received. The whole world looked, that is who. Is free.
          Everybody. You shouldn't even start to worry.
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        1. solovei 78
          solovei 78 5 January 2023 21: 14
          +31
          Alas, but true. The Turk is now the main conduit and turns our unfortunate geostrategist like cheap stuff. And the calls of the patriarch, who during all this time has never visited the Orthodox in the Donbas against this background, is just a Turkish karaoke song
        2. UAZ 452
          UAZ 452 5 January 2023 21: 20
          +10
          That such "calls" and such a "nimble" reaction to them, against the background of the DESTRUCTION by the Kyiv Nazis of a couple of hundred Russian military personnel (who did not even have time to fire even one shot at the enemy ...) in Makeevka, with American weapons, is simply opportunistic - hypocritical mockery of memory of the last...

          Before the New Year, no one offered any truces. On the contrary - there were massive congratulations on the holiday from our side. The enemy responded pointwise, in Makiivka, and the "holiday" score turned out, alas, by no means in our favor. And now, after Makiivka, even a unilateral initiative with a truce looks like a veiled request to the Armed Forces of Ukraine not to congratulate them on the holiday anymore. In order to make a New Year’s Eve double, we need to replenish the stock of missiles again (if the arsenals were bottomless, the energy system of Ukraine would be cut around the clock, and not once a week, but more often several times), and the Armed Forces of Ukraine have six missiles for Himars, and in the fact that ours dispersed, sheltered and camouflaged the personnel in a few days, I can’t believe with all my desire.
          1. ABC-schutze
            ABC-schutze 5 January 2023 21: 52
            +2
            Good...

            And what about those presented by the Russian command since the time of the so-called Syrian campaign? "attacks on decision-making centers"?.. Their fact that STARTING LITERALLY from February 24th, what prevents it from being inflicted?

            For the bottom, what, as for the aforementioned "energy system", are also "bottomless arsenals" needed? .. So, I don’t believe in this anymore ...

            Only the presence of potency, of course, primarily political ... And, as you need to understand, the Kremlin has a greater deficit than the Russian WTO arsenals ...

            After all, it’s a “no brainer” that if THEY started, TIMELY, inflicting regular, targeted and massive strikes on the decision-making centers of the Kyiv Natsiks and their inhabitants, “gifts” from the latter, like what they did in Makeevka, would be AN ORDER LESS .. .

            For the owners of the Kyiv Natsiks, incl. and overseas, it would be MUCH MORE DIFFICULT to "agree" on deliveries and organize them ...
          2. Alexander Trubitsin
            Alexander Trubitsin 5 January 2023 23: 00
            +3
            This is the answer for ours in Makiivka. We must bring supplies. The mountain strategist again showed a gesture of goodwill. Then he will again complain that he was thrown once again. While Pasha delivers another batch of javelins. It's nothing personal, it's business. It's time for grandfather to retire.
        3. Fast_mutant
          Fast_mutant 5 January 2023 22: 15
          0
          Well, it wouldn’t be bad to enter a new shameful temple ... Although no, they won’t be shot. There's HITLER'S CAP! Suddenly get hurt!
        4. Alex777
          Alex777 6 January 2023 05: 00
          0
          Quote: ABC-schütze
          Great, right? .. Well then ... Merry Christmas to you, "Kremlin" ...

          Only, as it were, the Kyiv Nazis, they didn’t send you another, already “Christmas” gift “in gratitude” to the Cathedral of Christ the Savior. With Del Frost on the UAV ... As before, to Engels and Ryazan ...

          Apti Alaudinov answered well as you answered:
          Isa (AS), Jesus in Islam is one of the most revered Prophets. The mother of Isa (s.a.) Maryam is also highly revered in Islam. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said that there was no woman equal to Maryam, there is not and never will be. This is how we honor both Maryam and Isa (a.s.). Muslims and Christians are required to honor everything related to Isa (AS). And we do it.

          The head of our state, Supreme Commander-in-Chief Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin is a true believing Christian. And his actions correspond to the requirements of his faith. And the fact that these actions are perceived by the enemy in an inappropriate way for Christians is not a reason for panic. Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin did what a Christian should have done - offered a temporary truce.

          However, this does not mean that we will abandon our positions and leave. All our fighters have been and will continue to be in their positions, on the front line of combat contact. But until the enemy starts firing at us, in accordance with the order of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, we will not do this on our own initiative. Because we are people who revere Isa (a.s.), and fighters who strictly follow the orders of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief.

          The adversary's Satanism has once again manifested itself today, when the enemy refused the truce. This is additional evidence for those who still doubt what is happening in the world. In fact, the declared truce is more needed by an errand boy hiding in a bunker in western Ukraine. We've been moving forward, and we're moving forward.

          Therefore, in no case should you panic and despair. Nothing thoughtful happened. We must remain true believers. And in this case God will never leave us! We must not succumb to the provocations of the US intelligence services and the European states of America. Be patient and trust in God even more. And He will show us the way!

          May we have mutual understanding, faith, hope and love. Everything related to true religion. And everything that is inherent in Satanism is on the opposite side and everyone sees it. And this is also a blessing. Because millions of people watching from the outside will draw the right conclusions from what they see. The good will of our Supreme Commander and the response of the Satanists to it.

          We will win! Definitely! Don't doubt it. Nothing can shake our mood, our spiritual state, our spirit and strength!

          AKHMAT STRENGTH - RUSSIA POWER - ALLAH GREAT!
          1. ABC-schutze
            ABC-schutze 6 January 2023 11: 00
            -1
            I didn't see any answer to this...

            Not from Alaudinov, who undertook to talk about the "true" Orthodox, elementarily not knowing the Scriptures ... Not from you ...

            Let him address THIS HIS answer to the Mohammedan muftis, who, at a meeting of representatives of ALL religious denominations of Russia, in the initial phase of the NWO, CLEARLY stated in relation to the Kyiv regime - "THEY SHOULD BE BEANCHED" ...

            And they didn’t call for a “ceasefire” with them at all ...
      4. Russian jacket
        Russian jacket 6 January 2023 00: 56
        +3
        Another cry for mercy. Laughing at the cocaine addict. And our coke will apparently be more difficult.
      5. YOUR
        YOUR 6 January 2023 03: 27
        0
        On the contrary, they rub their hands. Most likely, ours will not even open return fire. For it is fraught. Helpful people will run around and look for violators and punish them for violating the Presidential Decree.
        Ruff your copper, whoever does not command our Armed Forces, so it came to the Patriarch, he also overshadowed with his hand.
      6. Just a guest
        Just a guest 6 January 2023 03: 38
        -1
        Shoigu can't help but be helpful. If only because, according to the constitution of the Russian Federation, the president is the commander-in-chief. MO obeys him. This time.
        In other tapes they write that not an order was issued, but an instruction. Suspend on the line of contact on the territory of Ukraine. That is. An instruction is not an order, therefore, it is not obligatory to execute. This time. There is no talk about the territories that became part of the Russian Federation. This is two. But the world community does not know these nuances. And for them, Russia offers peace, and Ukraine spits on this proposal. The same is true for the inhabitants of Ukraine. Who are not allowed to perform a religious ceremony normally.
    2. Boycott
      Boycott 5 January 2023 19: 41
      +58
      and not respond to the shelling? I sleep and have nightmares, there's no other way to explain it.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2023 19: 51
        +27
        Quote: BoyCat
        I sleep and have nightmares, there's no other way to explain it.

        the worst thing is that you are not the only one seeing this dream
        1. dmi.pris1
          dmi.pris1 5 January 2023 20: 06
          +12
          Guys, looks like this is the end of this shame....
          1. YOUR
            YOUR 6 January 2023 03: 28
            -1
            Take away. I think we are still waiting for a lot of interesting discoveries.
      2. evgenii67
        evgenii67 5 January 2023 20: 00
        +40
        Quote: BoyCat
        and not respond to the shelling? I sleep and have nightmares, there's no other way to explain it.

        All hope for the brothers from the republics, because. they are Muslims and on Wagner.
        But seriously, this is some kind of star.
        Goodwill gestures, grain and ammonia and other deals with the enemy. Is it just that we are either fighting or others..chim? Why are the boys dying? But what if this is Erdogan, well, remember all sorts of regroupings and grain deals after a conversation with Edrogan? The conversation was again and again incomprehensible movements. Yes, no, this cannot be, because Putin is not like that, or ...
        1. aglet
          aglet 5 January 2023 20: 49
          +13
          "But what if it's Erdogan, do you remember all sorts of regroupings and grain deals after talking with Edrogan?"
          By the way, Turkey sent its infantry fighting vehicles to Ukraine, now they are crossing Romania
          1. North Caucasus
            North Caucasus 5 January 2023 21: 53
            +2
            By the way, Turkey sent its infantry fighting vehicles to Ukraine, now they are crossing Romania
            Is it like Erdogan asked Putin for a truce so that the echelons with equipment reach the line safely? It turns out like this. Putin could not refuse because Erdogan tied him with contracts that cost a lot of money. What do you do for big money? But Putin offered Erdogan a gas hub!? So the stakes there are even higher than the gas hub. Erdogan apparently sees this, but Russia is fixated so as not to lose the hub and the nuclear power plant!? What is Erdogan aiming for? On the economic deterioration of Russia in the light of the operation? AND? Erdogan will demand from Putin a part of the Russian market for his manufacturers? Or maybe a monopoly. Turkey may well produce spare parts for cars (and possibly build them). Turkey is building ships. Why shouldn't Turkey demand a guarantee for the construction of ships of a certain type? Maybe Erdogan wants to buy a tourism business in Russia?
        2. dmi.pris1
          dmi.pris1 5 January 2023 21: 07
          +7
          Yes, they are fighters of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation .. And they follow the order. I only hope that no one will behave like sheep to the slaughter. And they will spit and hit from everything they can
          1. Orange Bigg
            Orange Bigg 5 January 2023 21: 38
            +9
            Quote from: dmi.pris1
            Yes, they are fighters of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation .. And they follow the order. I only hope that no one will behave like sheep to the slaughter. And they will spit and hit from everything they can


            Good order! Let them shoot at you and kill you, but don’t answer. An order dooming our soldiers to certain death. And none of those making such a decision on a unilateral truce wants to go to the front line for these 36 hours to get what they prepare for their soldiers? It’s utter nonsense. And most importantly, what is its meaning? Who and what will these 36 hours give? Ukraine, hiding behind the departing ones, will go on the attack and recapture what our soldiers fought for for months. I get the impression more and more that suicides are sitting in the Kremlin. Okay, we quarreled with the West and Ukraine, but why at such a time once again disturb society with such strange regular gestures of goodwill? It's no secret that the current government in the Kremlin rests only on the trust of the people and on the Russian Army, and it was decided to test everything on which it rests for strength with such a savage method. Did you decide in the West to prove something to someone? Stupid. The West sleeps and sees how to topple power in the Kremlin. There's nothing to prove to anyone anyway.
          2. mher
            mher 5 January 2023 21: 48
            0
            Now is the time that for a retaliatory strike you can go to jail for not following the order, then write letters to Prigozhin so that they enroll in Wagner. damn maybe already!
      3. fruc
        fruc 5 January 2023 20: 39
        +8
        BoyCat: ...and not respond to shelling?

        I think the commanders at the forefront will have enough intelligence and will to make a competent decision, let the rest pray in churches for the repose of their souls, if they want.
        1. Rustic
          Rustic 5 January 2023 20: 46
          -2
          I think the commanders at the forefront will have enough sense and will not to carry out this crazy decree in this case.
          You don't have to wait until they're smart enough. It is necessary to tell them that for issuing a treacherous order not to return fire, according to the same order, even if you cannot shoot at Banderva, but nothing is said in the order about a bullet in the forehead of a traitor and an enemy.
        2. AdAstra
          AdAstra 5 January 2023 21: 01
          +3
          And how before in other branches they wrote the same Army - Order, Discipline ???
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      5. BigMaxMack
        BigMaxMack 5 January 2023 20: 45
        +7
        Quote: BoyCat
        and not respond to the shelling? I sleep and have nightmares, there's no other way to explain it.

        Donbass was bombed with impunity for 8 years, well, how did you sleep peacefully before that?
    3. dmi.pris1
      dmi.pris1 5 January 2023 19: 41
      +40
      Throwing beads in front of pigs? They won’t appreciate it. Yes, and they celebrate Christmas in December ..
      1. Poplar
        Poplar 6 January 2023 20: 23
        0
        Yes, they celebrate Christmas in December.

        It also seems to me that the 404th is no longer Orthodox. There is, of course, a small percentage of Orthodox believers, but he does not make a difference. Therefore, I do not see the point in this gesture. Most likely there is some hidden meaning.
    4. Leonidych
      Leonidych 5 January 2023 19: 49
      +52
      Another goodwill gesture. Now the Ukrainians during this time will take out the wounded, pull up the reserves, replenish the BC, conduct reconnaissance without harming themselves. well, at the end of the silence mode, they will completely fall into it. What is happening is incomprehensible, we are fighting roofing felts heh ..... we are suffering.
      1. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 5 January 2023 19: 52
        +17
        Quote: leonidych
        Another goodwill gesture. Now the Ukrainians during this time will take out the wounded, pull up the reserves, replenish the BC, conduct reconnaissance without harming themselves. well, at the end of the silence mode, they will completely fall into it. What is happening is incomprehensible, we are fighting roofing felts heh ..... we are suffering.

        You completely misunderstood the situation. The Armed Forces of Ukraine continued to hammer at our troops from all trunks, they do not sign any truce. But our military will receive a presidential decree not to open fire for 36 hours.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2023 20: 09
          -2
          Quote: BlackMokona
          But our military will receive a presidential decree not to open fire for 36 hours.
          for the sake of truth 12 from 12-00 on December 6 to 00-00 on the 7th
          1. Blackmokona
            Blackmokona 5 January 2023 20: 21
            -2
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            Quote: BlackMokona
            But our military will receive a presidential decree not to open fire for 36 hours.
            for the sake of truth 12 from 12-00 on December 6 to 00-00 on the 7th

            “Given the appeal of His Holiness Patriarch Kirill, I instruct the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation to introduce from 12:00 on January 6 this year until 24:00 on January 7 this year a ceasefire regime along the entire line of contact between the parties in Ukraine”
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2023 20: 56
              -1
              now I'll try to find it, but I saw that before 00-00
            2. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2023 21: 04
              +1
              I apologize, infa from the Sumerian site
        2. Leonidych
          Leonidych 5 January 2023 20: 19
          +6
          If they shoot from all barrels, this does not mean that we will not respond. It's about something else about a ceasefire on our part. If we don't shoot from all the trunks, then they will take advantage of this time.
        3. North Caucasus
          North Caucasus 5 January 2023 22: 05
          +3
          It turns out that the outskirts were given the go-ahead to wet ours, and ours were forbidden to even snap! Like, they can get wet, but we need to die!? It turns out bullshit! I understand the truce until the first shot is fired from there. Upon arrival from there, the truce ceases and fire is opened to kill from all weapons systems! Such a truce can be accepted. And here it turns out, when you hit on the cheek, you have to expose the whole body to the blows!? And do it voluntarily!? Well then, all members of the Russian government should go to the front line in full growth during the period of the truce! And what?! Well, if they kill one, another hundred will follow him to the slaughter! The main thing is not to stop going to the slaughter!
      2. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 5 January 2023 19: 54
        +16
        Quote: leonidych
        well, at the end of the silence mode, they will completely fall into it.

        Why wait? The order has been given - do not return fire. So they’ll get in full swing, just in time for Christmas, they don’t have an order!
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      4. UAZ 452
        UAZ 452 5 January 2023 21: 00
        +5
        What is happening is incomprehensible, we are fighting roofing felts heh ..... we are suffering.

        No, we don't fight. Let's get together.
        1. DymOk_v_dYmke
          DymOk_v_dYmke 6 January 2023 03: 50
          0
          Quote: UAZ 452
          No, we don't fight. Let's get together.

          "We haven't started yet" and again a truce.
          "It never happened, and here it is again!"
      5. fruc
        fruc 5 January 2023 21: 03
        +2
        leonidych ...... will conduct reconnaissance without prejudice to themselves. well, at the end of the silence mode, they will completely fall into it.

        Ha, I guess it will happen much earlier before the end of the silence mode. I will be very surprised if this silence lasts at least 1 hour.
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    5. opuonmed
      opuonmed 5 January 2023 20: 00
      +5
      why did the West and the United States in vain announce the transfer of weapons! the US and the West will catch up with the US and the West, it’s not the reindeer herders
    6. Sniper
      Sniper 5 January 2023 20: 54
      +27
      sometimes I don’t know myself .. who is the greater enemy of our army!
    7. Xenofont
      Xenofont 5 January 2023 21: 18
      -5
      A discount can only be made on stormy holidays, the consequences of which affect when making such decisions.
    8. Peter1First
      Peter1First 5 January 2023 21: 31
      +6
      Such a gift to the Armed Forces of Ukraine was not even expected! Now they will bring artillery closer for unanswered shelling, transfer reinforcements along the roads without the risk of shelling, prepare aircraft for a strike without the risk of losing it, muddy the counter-offensive at some important heights and points! Moreover, they will say in the media: “a weakening, wounded enemy tried to divorce us for a truce, but we will not give him any mercy” ... So I ask: - Is it possible to talk about sacred things with those for whom nothing is sacred? - Is it possible to throw pearls in front of pigs?
    9. Vovavvs
      Vovavvs 5 January 2023 22: 12
      -3
      Where is Ukraine and where is Russia... Or is it the recognition of 4 new regions of Russia for Ukraine?
    10. Andrey the Magnificent
      Andrey the Magnificent 5 January 2023 23: 18
      +2
      Recently, only one quote from a popular comedy has come to mind from current events.
      "The army has rebelled!!!
      They say - the Tsar is NOT REAL !!!!!”
    11. scaramaks27
      scaramaks27 6 January 2023 00: 03
      -1
      let there be no ceasefire by the Nazis. there are either Catholics or Uniates, and Ze believes only in green papers ... so don't flatter yourself, Christmas night will be disturbing.
    12. smart ass
      smart ass 6 January 2023 00: 13
      -2
      What won't you do for show off? !!!!!!!!!!
    13. Just a guest
      Just a guest 6 January 2023 13: 28
      0
      You simply do not understand this world.
      But any sane person understands. That we took the initiative. Dill crap her (like many on this site). But it's clear to the sane. Who really wants peace and who doesn't. And tomorrow another couple of thousand (or more) votes in Europe will take our side.
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    1. Earthwalker
      Earthwalker 5 January 2023 19: 39
      +14
      It’s about to get some kind of absurdity, as in the news about the unilateral ceasefire that Erdogan proposed recourse
      1. Pulkovo1942
        Pulkovo1942 5 January 2023 19: 46
        +9
        some nonsense happens

        This is not nonsense. They write in such a veiled way so as not to anger the people.
      2. BigMaxMack
        BigMaxMack 5 January 2023 20: 47
        +6
        Erdogan is just an intermediary here, they are in NATO, if they suddenly forgot ..
    2. Nikolay310
      Nikolay310 5 January 2023 19: 39
      +2
      Erdogan simply forgot to ask Zelensky ... The Sultan already knew that the vassal would not refuse
    3. topol717
      topol717 5 January 2023 19: 47
      -22
      Quote: ASAD
      Putin has already ordered a ceasefire for Christmas, Erdogan asked for the same!

      How do you know what Erdogan asked for? Did you hold a candle while talking?
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      2. North Caucasus
        North Caucasus 5 January 2023 22: 30
        -2
        It doesn't matter what Erdogan asked. It is important what goals Erdogan pursues! Not just the same as his requests! I hope Putin did not just announce a truce. Maybe Erdogan promised him a stable supply of tomatoes! And what? Erdogan on the outskirts of the armored personnel carrier. We are the outskirts of gas. Everyone has a stable business! Everyone is investing in the outskirts to the best of their ability. Both the EU and the US. Maybe the derban of the outskirts is being prepared in proportion to the invested funds ?!
    4. mikh-korsakov
      mikh-korsakov 5 January 2023 19: 49
      +17
      Moreover, the news is circulating in the networks that Putin himself wants to visit Donetsk on Christmas and pray there. What can I say, he was a good man, a master of sports, he played hockey, Merkel gave flowers, and red fish. As a president, this is an amateur. And he was a good man, I'm sure I can't be persuaded. But what a death - from the temple straight to heaven.
      1. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 5 January 2023 20: 15
        +19
        I don’t want to believe that the SVO is being put on the brakes, but something tells me that this is the way it is. Chubat temples of the Russian Orthodox Church are being robbed, priests are being tortured, and the patriarch is talking about some kind of ceasefire. It's all kind of weird..
        1. topol717
          topol717 5 January 2023 20: 33
          +8
          Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
          Chubat temples of the Russian Orthodox Church are being robbed, priests are being tortured, and the patriarch is talking about some sort of ceasefire

          Turn the other cheek, or have you heard of it?
          1. dmi.pris1
            dmi.pris1 5 January 2023 20: 42
            +3
            Look .. The first Christians went to their death, but they did not betray religion. And there, in Kyiv, in the Lavra, a "gathering" gathered (you can't say otherwise) and decided to go over to the schismatics ... After all, this was not a cheek turned ..
            1. solar
              solar 5 January 2023 22: 12
              -3
              Not everything is so simple, the situation is much more subtle there. We are talking about the transition from one Orthodox Church to another, no less official - the Ecumenical Patriarchate. The word schismatics is hardly applicable to the situation.
          2. StarWarrior
            StarWarrior 5 January 2023 20: 54
            +7
            Some of ours have already framed almost all parts of the body ...
            Rogozin, for example, framed ... I can’t write. The moderator does not allow.
            1. AdAstra
              AdAstra 5 January 2023 21: 04
              +4
              And what is so forbidden in musculus gluteus?
              1. StarWarrior
                StarWarrior 5 January 2023 21: 15
                +4
                Not only is it hurt there. I don't want to publicly discuss topographic anatomy.
              2. vlad2000
                vlad2000 5 January 2023 21: 24
                +5
                with such a face, he does not have musculus gluteuse))) but what is forbidden to write)))
          3. smart ass
            smart ass 6 January 2023 08: 35
            -2
            Turn your cheek first, then what?? Butt???
        2. BigMaxMack
          BigMaxMack 5 January 2023 20: 48
          +5
          Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
          I don’t want to believe that the SVO is being put on the brakes, but something tells me that this is the way it is. Chubat temples of the Russian Orthodox Church are being robbed, priests are being tortured, and the patriarch is talking about some kind of ceasefire. It's all kind of weird..

          Kharkov and Kherson were somehow given away. Did you survive?
      2. Kronos
        Kronos 5 January 2023 20: 55
        +3
        Yes, he will not go anywhere, it will be necessary to create scenery and say he came to Donetsk.
      3. ABC-schutze
        ABC-schutze 5 January 2023 23: 09
        +4
        I believe that it would be much more useful for the course and outcome of the SVO if Putin (I don’t call him Supreme anymore ...), instead of this, which has become a traditional PR show for him, gave the order to start applying regular, targeted and massive strikes on the decision-making centers of the Kyiv Nazis ...

        For the TENTH MONTH of NWO, this would be a much bigger gift for the Orthodox in general, and those living in the Donbass in particular...

        Moreover, the latter, DAILY, have been shelled for NINE YEARS. Putin, even having negotiated for himself an order for a ceasefire, conditional security during a hypothetical visit to the Temple in Donetsk, will leave in the morning ...

        And the Orthodox of Donbass, Kyiv Natsiks will continue to FIRE DAILY ...
  3. RuAbel
    RuAbel 5 January 2023 19: 38
    +24
    Why does Erdogan keep his grandfather for Faberge? ..
    1. StarWarrior
      StarWarrior 5 January 2023 20: 04
      +28
      Erdogan holds Putin for tomatoes, for a grain deal, for an ammonia pipeline to Odessa, for oil exports, for a gas hub, for a nuclear power plant under construction in Akkuyu, for our garrison in Syria.
      1. topol717
        topol717 5 January 2023 20: 34
        -7
        Quote from StarWarrior
        for the grain deal, for the ammonia pipeline to Odessa, for the export of oil, for the gas hub, for the nuclear power plant under construction in Akkuyu, for our garrison in Syria.

        Well, how is it all connected?
        Remind you what happened after the downed plane? And who was holding whom? Do you think something has changed?
        1. StarWarrior
          StarWarrior 5 January 2023 20: 41
          +17
          Putin always fulfills all Erdogan's wishes at the first whistle:
          - I want a grain deal!
          - please!
          -I want Russia to surrender Kherson to Ukraine!
          - please!
          I want a truce!
          - please!
          Coincidence? I do not think.
        2. aglet
          aglet 5 January 2023 20: 55
          +10
          "Do you need to be reminded of what happened after the downed plane?"
          What happened after the downed plane? tomatoes?
          1. StarWarrior
            StarWarrior 5 January 2023 21: 16
            +5
            And what happened when Turkey did not allow our ships of the Russian Navy to enter the Black Sea last year?
          2. vlad2000
            vlad2000 5 January 2023 21: 28
            +1
            and what happened?))) they yelled and everything quickly returned to normal. Well, they put some kind of abrek in jail like that who fired at the pilot ... who knows ... maybe they released it already. Yes, who needs this shepherd for a hundred years. Toko right now, Putin depends on the perdogan more than the perdogan on him))) he wants to close all gray imports from Europe. he wants to open the straits for NATO ships. and what can Russia do?
      2. Sergei 777
        Sergei 777 5 January 2023 21: 51
        -1
        Erdogan holds Putin for tomatoes, for a grain deal, for an ammonia pipeline to Odessa, for oil exports, for a gas hub, for a nuclear power plant under construction in Akkuyu, for our garrison in Syria.

        I don't understand here.
        1. Putin does not care about Erdogan's tomatoes, it is Erdogan who is interested in Russia as a market for agricultural products. Remember after which the Sultan apologized for the downed Su 24? Including after the ban on the import of Turkish vegetables in the Russian Federation. So here Erdogan is 100% dependent on us and not we on him.
        2. Grain deal. It is beneficial to Ukraine because it allows you to receive currency for the war. It is indirectly beneficial to Erdogan because he is promoting on it. What about Putin's benefit? Well, in the eyes of the West, we are negotiable. It's good ? For any thinking people, this is good. After all, there are countries on earth besides Russia, and we will have to negotiate with them, no matter how we treat the US and the EU. The USSR also agreed after the blockade of Berlin in the 40s and after the Korean War. Even after the Berlin and Caribbean crises, they agreed. So being negotiable in anyone's eyes is a plus.
        3. Ammonia. Everyone needs ammonia. We sell them to buy. His loss is a problem for everyone. Just like the story from the ISS.
        4. Gas hub. A hub is a variation on the theme of selling energy to Europe. Here again, the story is convenient for everyone. Mutual retention of partners. But the Russian Federation is clearly in a better position here, because we have gas and we will find how to sell it. If Erdogan refuses, we will sell through gaskets represented by Indian and Chinese firms. And what ? Does the UK buy our gas through India? Yes. So he will buy through any other country, the question is the price and how much British officials need to roll back behind closed eyes. But will Erdogan find another country that will agree to build a hub for him? I think no. So there is a dependence here, but it is not critical. Yes, and there is no hub yet. So far, only a theory.
        5. NPP. Well, everything is generally simple. Let's say tomorrow Turkey breaks the contract for the construction of the station. According to the contract, she will have to pay a lot of money for early termination of the contract. Does she need it? No. Who has more to lose from this? We ? No. Almost all costs will be returned to us under the contract, but the Turks will get a donut hole instead of a nuclear power plant. Do they understand it? Yes.

        So stop panicking.
        1. StarWarrior
          StarWarrior 6 January 2023 01: 16
          -1
          Your list does not include only the interests of the Russian people of the primordially Russian lands of the former Ukraine from Uzhgorod to Donetsk, from Izmail to Chernigov, there is no national interest of Russia to regain back the mother of Russian cities Kyiv and the hero city of Odessa.
          And this should be in the first place for a normal ruler of Russia such as Peter the Great, Catherine the Great, Joseph Stalin. And only then all the commercial geshefts that you wrote about. It is bad when a person with the psychology of a petty salesman is at the head of a large country.
    2. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke 6 January 2023 04: 05
      -1
      Quote from Ruabel
      Why does Erdogan keep his grandfather for Faberge? ..

      Erdogan seems to be only an intermediary for those who hold, but do not want to "shine".
    3. smart ass
      smart ass 6 January 2023 08: 36
      -2
      Gas hub!) what else?!!!!!!!!
  4. donavi49
    donavi49 5 January 2023 19: 39
    +9
    appeal of the Patriarch of Moscow and All Rus' Kirill


    So this is an indication of the supreme:
    Instructions of the President of the Russian Federation to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation

    Considering the appeal of His Holiness Patriarch Kirill, I instruct the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation to introduce from 12.00:6 January 2023, 24.00 to 7:2023 January XNUMX, XNUMX a ceasefire along the entire line of contact between the parties in Ukraine.

    Based on the fact that a large number of citizens professing Orthodoxy live in the combat areas, we call on the Ukrainian side to declare a ceasefire and give them the opportunity to attend services on Christmas Eve, as well as on the Day of the Nativity of Christ.
    http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/70330

    By the way, Recep Erdogan and Zelensky talked about the demilitarization of the ZNPP, judging by the official communiqué, and not about ceasefire.
    "We discussed cooperation between our countries in the field of security, issues of nuclear safety, in particular the situation at the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant. There should not be invaders there," Zelensky said.

    The presidents also discussed the exchange of prisoners of war with Turkish mediation and the development of a grain agreement.
    "We appreciate Turkey's readiness to take part in the implementation of our peace formula", Zelensky said.
    1. cold wind
      cold wind 5 January 2023 20: 38
      +20
      Ukraine has clear and unambiguous goals in this war. She does everything to achieve them. A truce in this format does not bring them closer to this goal, so there will be no truce. Everything is clear and unambiguous.
      We do not have goals and objectives in the NWO, so anything is possible. He spins the drum, whatever falls on it, we do it.
    2. North Caucasus
      North Caucasus 5 January 2023 22: 43
      -3
      There should be no invaders there," Zelensky said.
      Well, the invaders in this case are Ukraine. It was she who chopped off part of the territory from Russia and let the interventionists go there. Although the interventionists welcome the outskirts is not the first time! And in 1918 it was, and in 1941. And today. True, Russia allowed the outskirts to chop off part of Russian territory. How did EBN say?! Take sovereignty, who can swallow how much!? Hello separatists?! What should Russia do with the separatists now? What did Kyiv do with the LDNR?
  5. Nikolay310
    Nikolay310 5 January 2023 19: 39
    +55
    long live the planet of pink ponies!!!

    In my opinion, even Nicholas II was not like that ...

    many people call the president of Ukraine a clown...guys, are we talking about Ukraine???
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2023 19: 50
      +28
      Quote: Nikolay310
      In my opinion, even Nicholas II was not like that ...

      I’m afraid that we’ll end up the same way as then, only now the Bolsheviks are not visible on the horizon, for that Kerinsky’s are like fleas on a mongrel
      1. evgenii67
        evgenii67 5 January 2023 20: 47
        +10
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        Quote: Nikolay310
        In my opinion, even Nicholas II was not like that ...

        I’m afraid that we’ll end up the same way as then, only now the Bolsheviks are not visible on the horizon, for that Kerinsky’s are like fleas on a mongrel

        The same hundreds of thousands of fighters who have gone through their own and their relatives can become Bolsheviks, if this is a real betrayal. Any truce at this stage = betrayal, all the more one-sided.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2023 20: 57
          +6
          Quote: evgenii67
          The same hundreds of thousands of fighters who went through their own land and their relatives can become Bolsheviks
          the problem is that there is no leader
          1. albert
            albert 5 January 2023 23: 46
            -1
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            the problem is that there is no leader

            It is debatable. Few people knew about Lenin then either. And the people know how to organize themselves, Donbass is an example of this.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2023 23: 51
              +3
              Quote: albert
              Few people knew about Lenin then either.

              well not so far
              Quote: albert
              And the people know how to organize themselves

              not when, the people did not self-organize, NOT AT ANY LEVEL
            2. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2023 23: 57
              +1
              Quote: albert
              Donbass is an example.

              an example of what?!!!!
              the people themselves did not organize themselves, there were leaders
              by the way, in the same Kharkov there were none and there were none in Odessa
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    3. BigMaxMack
      BigMaxMack 5 January 2023 20: 51
      +1
      Quote: Nikolay310
      long live the planet of pink ponies!!!

      In my opinion, even Nicholas II was not like that ...

      many people call the president of Ukraine a clown...guys, are we talking about Ukraine???

      Here, comments about "ukroreykh who must surrender" are gaining an excellent rating, so yes, don't be surprised
  6. Pulkovo1942
    Pulkovo1942 5 January 2023 19: 41
    +21
    How the news is neatly presented, as if there is a discussion about declaring a Christmas truce) No, the decree was issued unilaterally.
  7. spirit
    spirit 5 January 2023 19: 41
    +26
    Well, who was laughing at the Sultan today, why does he take us for fools? Take off your rose-colored glasses guys welcome to the real world fellow
  8. incoggnoto
    incoggnoto 5 January 2023 19: 41
    +15
    By the way, I have recently got the impression that our authorities are deliberately provoking the population, this is just an assumption, but this is done in order to give the moral right to future actions .. see, it's not a secret for anyone that the vast majority of the population does not understand what is going on war ... so we are waiting .. I think everything will become clear very soon
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2023 19: 48
      +31
      Quote from incoggnoto
      it’s not a secret for anyone that the vast majority of the population does not understand that there is a war going on ...

      the vast majority cannot understand the actions of the country's leadership, moreover, since the spring, when they wiped their feet on Russia in incomprehensible negotiations
      1. incoggnoto
        incoggnoto 5 January 2023 19: 51
        -12
        we'll find out soon. but it really seems to me that our government has conceived something ..
        1. guest
          guest 5 January 2023 23: 01
          0
          Quote from incoggnoto
          we'll find out soon. but it really seems to me that our government has conceived something ..

          Yes, I did, but it's not good.
    2. Vyacheslav57
      Vyacheslav57 5 January 2023 19: 55
      -15
      Oleg, I do not exclude such an option. Putin is being pressured from all sides, both West and East, to sit down at the negotiating table with Zelensky. Putin has repeatedly explained that Kyiv is not capable of negotiating and we will only talk on our terms. At the moment, by declaring a unilateral ceasefire, Putin will clearly show that it is impossible to do business with Kyiv.
      1. incoggnoto
        incoggnoto 5 January 2023 20: 15
        -11
        these are beautiful words .. I no longer believe in it .. as for me, the task of the authorities right now is to make it clear to a society that does not yet understand that there is a war going on. I do not believe that Putin can be put under pressure. more than once they wrote and said that he always has his own opinion. time will put everything in its place..
      2. dmi.pris1
        dmi.pris1 5 January 2023 20: 22
        +2
        Do you think that the West and the East will understand correctly? They have blinders in front of their eyes .. And moreover, deaf-blind
      3. North Caucasus
        North Caucasus 5 January 2023 22: 52
        0
        . At the moment, by declaring a unilateral ceasefire, Putin will clearly show that it is impossible to do business with Kyiv.
        And from Russia, you can twist ropes and bend them into a ram's horn?
  9. Nikolay310
    Nikolay310 5 January 2023 19: 43
    +27
    how disgusting it is from all this ... in Chechnya they betrayed the guys, they betrayed the Donbass for 8 years, hiding behind Minsk ... this has never happened and here again ...

    and then they say, why don’t the soldiers have motivation ... really ... and where do they get motivation with such ingenious solutions ??? they hammered, hammered these bakhmuts, salters, marinkas, and now at the very exit again, it’s healthy and the opportunity for the ukram to rest, regroup and drag reinforcements ...
    1. Andrey Karpov
      Andrey Karpov 5 January 2023 20: 22
      +6
      so draw conclusions why all these SBOs. all for the loot.
  10. Vladimir M
    Vladimir M 5 January 2023 19: 44
    +14
    Is Erdogan in charge now? For some time now, all of Erdogan's calls have been fulfilled. I would understand these "gestures of good will" if the children of Putin, the reindeer breeder were dying ...... And yet, where will the Ukrainians get into during this ceasefire and how will Putin look people in the eye?
    1. StarWarrior
      StarWarrior 5 January 2023 20: 07
      +5
      So the Russians will die as a result of this truce, not the Turks.
      The main thing for the Kremlin - oil, gas, grain, fertilizers will continue to go to Turkey.
    2. StarWarrior
      StarWarrior 5 January 2023 20: 24
      +16
      Putin was once again deceived for the 1000th time???
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    1. Dmitry Rigov
      Dmitry Rigov 5 January 2023 19: 47
      +7
      Gundyaev, Shoigu, Surovikin, etc. it’s still just people in their places, what they say from above is what they do. I doubt that they are allowed to show their initiative.
      1. Nikolay310
        Nikolay310 5 January 2023 20: 02
        +2
        and the bosses, apparently, these characters are in Ankara and are called Erdogan
    2. Nikolay310
      Nikolay310 5 January 2023 20: 03
      -5
      Kirill is hardly to blame ... there a more influential character called the Kremlin today ... and his name is Sultan of the Great Turan Tayip Recep Erdogan ...
    3. Alex777
      Alex777 6 January 2023 05: 18
      +3
      Quote from StarWarrior
      Damn the tobacco oligarch Gundiai!
      Anathema to you to the seventh generation of all your geeks for all those killed by the Russian Federation during this truce!


      Get out Satanist! bully
      Did you scribble 5 comments in 233 days since you registered?
      Pay by line?
  12. filibuster
    filibuster 5 January 2023 19: 44
    +2
    The guys in the Kremlin and not only have long understood that Russia will not be able to defeat Ukraine in the current conditions, which is being helped by the West and is looking for any opportunity to get out of the hole.
    1. Nickelium
      Nickelium 5 January 2023 19: 48
      +5
      They have no choice but to win.
      1. filibuster
        filibuster 5 January 2023 19: 51
        +3
        So this victory does not exist, it should be clear by now, the entire SVO was planned on incorrect data and therefore Putin has no clear goals from here. Now victory can only be with the genocide of Ukrainians, but this is clearly not what we want.
        1. incoggnoto
          incoggnoto 5 January 2023 19: 56
          +6
          do you prefer genocide in the Russian Federation and the collapse of the country? I don’t believe that you don’t understand what the consequences will be if we surrender .. therefore, your words suggest certain thoughts to me
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2023 20: 16
            +16
            Quote from incoggnoto
            I don’t believe that you don’t understand what the consequences will be if we surrender..
            EVERYONE understands what this threatens, only the problem is the same as in 91, no one will ask us, and I don’t observe Lenin on an armored car so that in which case "all power to the Soviets"
            Quote from incoggnoto
            so your words make me think

            do not write nonsense and you will be happy that "filibuster" wrote the wrong one?!!!
            the general staff, to put it mildly, screwed up on all counts, intelligence, planning, logistics, the situation is such that if you don’t wage war hard with the complete destruction of some cities, but continue as it goes, we will be pounded into a thin pancake
            for the sake of interest, read the websites of ukraine and europe, the borders of 91 no longer suit anyone, and Russia is within the borders in which it was even for 13 years the same
            1. incoggnoto
              incoggnoto 5 January 2023 20: 32
              -1
              what they did at the beginning of the NWO, the question cannot be this is a fact .. let's start with the fact that we still have a lot of resources .. there are still large reserves of Soviet technology. moreover, we are a nuclear country .. at one time, many did not believe that Moscow would go to the NWO. and she went .. so for those who do not believe that the Russian Federation can use nuclear weapons, I would also advise not to talk nonsense ..
              moreover, it is obvious that everything will be decided on the battlefield .. and read more about your sites ..
              I don’t need to read, I already understand that the task of the West is to ruin the country .. that’s why I am writing that we will not go back to take it back .. it’s clear that it will be difficult .. but there is no other way out.
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2023 21: 01
                +4
                Quote from incoggnoto
                what they did at the beginning of the NWO, there can’t be a question, this is a fact ..

                let's face it - FACT, in theory, the leadership of the General Staff had to be removed
                Quote from incoggnoto
                let's start with the fact that we still have a lot of resources .. the reserves are still large for Soviet technology.

                yes, it doesn’t matter how much technology and what kind if we don’t stupidly use it
                Quote from incoggnoto
                moreover, it is obvious that everything will be decided on the battlefield .. and read more about your sites ..
                about what to read about our sites ?!
                speak more clearly
                Quote from incoggnoto
                That's why I write that we will not go back.

                are you serious now?!!!!!!
                what is the name of the current situation?
                serpentine, kiev, kharkov, kherson
          2. filibuster
            filibuster 5 January 2023 20: 42
            +4
            do you prefer genocide in the Russian Federation and the collapse of the country? I don’t believe that you don’t understand what the consequences will be if we surrender..


            Why do you think that there will not be exactly the same consequences if we "do not surrender" and destroy the whole of Ukraine to the ground by exterminating / forcing more than half of the population to flee (without this there will be no victory)?
            1. incoggnoto
              incoggnoto 5 January 2023 21: 08
              0
              because I'm not 18 years old .. and I'm not a liberal .. I have enough brains to understand .. I know history .. and I can analyze ..
              1. filibuster
                filibuster 5 January 2023 21: 55
                -3
                Well, if you knew the history and, moreover, were able to analyze, you would definitely understand that in the current situation there is no victory, and you are only throwing phrases from propaganda talk shows.
          3. Eugene_Eugene
            Eugene_Eugene 6 January 2023 00: 14
            0
            I don't believe that you don't understand what the consequences will be

            There will be no consequences, even if Donetsk and Lugansk are surrendered tomorrow. Saddam spent 12 years in the desert after the storm without nuclear weapons, Putin will sit until his death, domestic politics are under the complete control of the Kremlin.

            Everything that happens after his death is his fault, the emasculation of the institutions of power to a completely incapacitated state and the removal of society from making any decisions are his merits, certainly not Ukraine and NATO.
        2. Nickelium
          Nickelium 5 January 2023 20: 00
          +19
          Genocide is the deliberate extermination of civilians. You can win if you do not participate in agreements. About genocides - to the Fuhrers.
          1. incoggnoto
            incoggnoto 5 January 2023 20: 07
            +3
            again, not understanding that right now we are fighting not just for our interests, but for the survival of our nation. just remember Iraq, Yugoslavia, etc. .. there was precisely the destruction of the population .. moreover, we are fighting against the Fuhrers if you forgot ..
            1. filibuster
              filibuster 5 January 2023 20: 30
              +7
              Wait, what threatened our nation before February 24th?
              1. incoggnoto
                incoggnoto 5 January 2023 20: 35
                -4
                you do not have enough statements and Hollande and Merkel...? no one was going to solve this peacefully ... we were just the first to give in the face ... that's all .. the task of the West has always been to destroy the country ..
                1. filibuster
                  filibuster 5 January 2023 20: 40
                  +7
                  Once again, what threatened our nation?

                  The task of the West has always been to destroy the country ..


                  Where was such a task, when did they plan to start it and who, by the way, planned it?
                  1. incoggnoto
                    incoggnoto 5 January 2023 20: 47
                    +2
                    you write with classic narratives of the West .. for the especially gifted,
                    1. The task is to chop off the territory of Crimea from us at least, and if you forgot Crimea, this is the territory of the Russian Federation. accordingly, an attack on our territory was implied.
                    2. the seizure of the territories of the LPR and the DPR .. which would be a strong defeat for the Russian Federation ..
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                      1. incoggnoto
                        incoggnoto 5 January 2023 21: 22
                        -2
                        Quote from: filibuster
                        Wait, what threatened our nation before February 24th?

                        where is the link? you are trying to confuse in the hope that most will not notice ..
                        What kind of Crimea, back in March they were ready to fix everything on the borders until February 24th.

                        first you are trying to question the fact that something threatened us. then you start writing that they were ready to admit there.
                        and then
                        Quote from: filibuster
                        Until February 24, even the most stoned Ukrainians could not even dream of Crimea.

                        I doubt that you are a citizen of the Russian Federation at all .. trying to make the picture so soft .. just stoned more than once shouted about plans to seize Crimea ..
                        and after the interview with Merkelya Hollande, it became 100% clear .. we just gave it in the face earlier ..
                      2. filibuster
                        filibuster 5 January 2023 22: 00
                        +2
                        first you are trying to question the fact that something threatened us. then you start writing that they were ready to admit there.
                        and then


                        I’m not just questioning, I’m directly stating that neither until February 24 nor even now we as a nation, Russia as a state is not threatened by anything from the outside, the whole threat is inside us, the situation is exactly the same as I already saw in the late eighties.

                        I doubt that you are a citizen of the Russian Federation at all .. trying to make the picture so soft .. just stoned more than once shouted about plans to seize Crimea ..
                        and after the interview with Merkelya Hollande, it became 100% clear .. we just gave it in the face earlier ..


                        I’m just not a jingoistic patriot and I see that now another cycle of the decline of another authoritarian ruler is underway (well, we have such a fate, we live from one “leader” to another, and from time to time we are also unlucky and the country, together with the aging leader, “gets old”). As for Merkel, firstly, she is now being severely pressed, that she has been friends with Putin all this time and built gas pipelines, so she began to say that all this time she stood next to Putin with a fig in her pocket, and secondly, she didn’t remind me who was the initiator and main author of all these Minsk agreements?
                      3. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2023 22: 15
                        0
                        Quote from: filibuster
                        It’s not that I’m questioning, I’m directly stating that neither before February 24 nor even now we as a nation, Russia as a state is not threatened by anything from the outside

                        one could cite DIRECT quotes from the leadership of the Western world and Ukraine about the need to destroy Russia, only if you have not seen them before you will not see them now
                      4. filibuster
                        filibuster 5 January 2023 22: 32
                        -1
                        Give direct quotes from the leadership of the Western world?
                      5. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2023 22: 49
                        +3
                        "This war must be won on the battlefield" Josep Borrell

                        “There are 60 nations that have been annexed, just like Ukrainians today. It would be necessary to raise these peoples, attached to Russia. Either change the political system of Russia, or return it to a population of less than 50 million.” Lech Walesa

                        At the end of June, the Commission for Security and Cooperation in Europe, formed under the auspices of the US Congress, held a conference entitled “Decolonization of Russia. Moral and strategic imperative".
                      6. filibuster
                        filibuster 5 January 2023 22: 57
                        -3
                        Are these the leaders of the Western world? Well then, Medvedev is our leader of Russia, and Dugin is the ideological inspirer.
                      7. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2023 23: 14
                        +2
                        Well, if the US Congress and the High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy are neither for you, it makes no sense to prove something by itself
                      8. filibuster
                        filibuster 5 January 2023 23: 20
                        -5
                        Against the background of statements about the "decolonization of Russia", yes, they are nobody, they do not determine policy, do not own administrative resources, their level is the same as that of Kiselev, when he talked about "radioactive ashes".
                        Yes, I don’t insist on anything else, you like to eat propaganda, eat it. Only now I remember when the war with Germany began, the USSR curtailed all trade relations with Hitler, and in our country, according to your words, they are preparing to “decolonize” us, and we, represented by the Kremlin, want to sell them even more resources, we are looking for ways to circumvent sanctions.
                      9. sdtreew
                        sdtreew 5 January 2023 23: 33
                        +1
                        well, we definitely won’t eat your propaganda, where did you get the idea that it was the Kremlin who wants to sell resources to someone, I don’t know, but it’s known how Stalin, who decolonized Russia in the 30s, sold so much bread that this caused the most terrible in our history of famine, but at the same time, it allowed us to throw out American concessions and create the heavy industry that the country needed.
                      10. Nick2591
                        Nick2591 6 January 2023 23: 23
                        0
                        In 1933, the United States had a bad harvest year. Roosevelt demanded that the next tranche of the Soviet Union's debt be paid in food grains. The debt was repaid, the people were left without bread. No wonder the word "Holodomor" was coined by the State Department with Bandera
                      11. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2023 23: 53
                        +1
                        Quote from: filibuster
                        their level is the same as that of Kiselev

                        are you talking about the us congress where power is inherited
                        Quote from: filibuster
                        Only now I remember when the war with Germany began, the USSR curtailed all trade relations with Hitler, and in our country, according to your words, they are preparing to “decolonize” us, and we, represented by the Kremlin, want to sell them even more resources, we are looking for ways to circumvent sanctions.

                        And how does this refute my assertions?
              2. guest
                guest 5 January 2023 23: 10
                +2
                Have you heard about NATO expansion to the east? The enemy was getting closer and closer to our borders and surrounded us.
                1. filibuster
                  filibuster 5 January 2023 23: 13
                  -4
                  I've heard that for 30 years we have been supplying resources to the West and nothing has "succeeded".
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2023 23: 55
                    -3
                    what do you want to prove?
                    the venality of our "elites"?
                    so no one argues with this
        3. Nikolay310
          Nikolay310 5 January 2023 20: 00
          +20
          and when did Putin have clear goals? no offense, but for 20 years he has been setting tasks for which he does not ask anyone ... if earlier they also tried to double the GDP, now his entourage does not even begin to fulfill it reasonably, realizing that there is no point in fussing and no one is there will not punish ... in extreme cases, they will find a warm place in Yandex
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 5 January 2023 20: 56
            -6
            Yes, from the time when the task of doubling the GDP was set, it has long been completed.
            1. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 6 January 2023 10: 52
              +1
              Minusers, it’s hard to go to the sites of the IMF, the World Bank, or look in the CIA Fact Book?
          2. sdtreew
            sdtreew 5 January 2023 23: 36
            -2
            Quote: Nikolay310
            he has been setting tasks for 20 years, for the implementation of which he does not ask anyone.

            The president is not a power, which means he does not have the authority to ask someone, he can only persuade everyone to do this, and not otherwise, no more.
            Read the Constitution.
        4. lopvlad
          lopvlad 5 January 2023 21: 42
          -5
          Quote from: filibuster
          Now victory can only be with the genocide of Ukrainians, but this is clearly not what we want.


          the only thing that Russia and its people will not allow is the defeat of Russia, and if the president needs to launch a nuclear strike on Ukraine, Europe and the USA, then we will fully support him.
          We are in Paradise and they just die
          1. filibuster
            filibuster 5 January 2023 22: 04
            -4
            Rogozin back in 2013 said that the United States could destroy up to 90% of our nuclear forces at the first strike, this is by the way about who will die and who will go to heaven.

            and its people will not allow this defeat of Russia


            You are famously speaking for the whole people, I’m not sure what the results of the survey will be if we now ask the people whether they agree to stop the NVO, withdraw all troops from the territory of Ukraine, stop mobilization, etc. Shoigu stated that about 18 thousand volunteers went from all over the country, here she is the true support for this NWO (or already the war, at least Putin called it that once)
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2023 22: 17
              +3
              Quote from: filibuster
              here it is the true support for this NWO (or already the war, at least Putin once called it that)

              you are like Boris Nadezhdin, since you didn’t stick “Z” on the car, it means you don’t support the operation in Ukraine
              1. filibuster
                filibuster 5 January 2023 22: 38
                -2
                It’s one thing in words, on the Internet, and even a sticker on a car, but it’s quite another to come to the military registration and enlistment office, it will work in the same way in the direction of “the people will not allow you to lose”, well, 18 thousand from all over the country may try not to “allow”, but a million in the Russian Guard / police / FSB / Akhmat will explain everything to them.
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2023 22: 51
                  0
                  Quote from: filibuster
                  people won't let you lose

                  kindergarten webbing pants
                  1. filibuster
                    filibuster 5 January 2023 22: 53
                    -2
                    So it's up to the user lopvlad he believes that the people will not let Putin lose.
      2. donavi49
        donavi49 5 January 2023 20: 01
        +12
        How is victory achieved? With the current Verdun, this is for years. Here the economy will go haywire, and then 17/91.

        If there is that same mega-offensive, then what to do if it stalls? Well, there will be a wedging and breakthroughs for 10-15-20 km with an emphasis on the next coal, tokmachka, boring, blessed-vladimirovka, which have been standing on an initially unprepared front since April-May. And here and there, and weeks-long battles for the street and a couple of houses. What is plan B for this case?

        Also, what is the plan if the Europeans do not get tired, and as it is already obvious to everyone, they do not freeze. Therefore, they will not crawl to ask for forgiveness, but will militarize and minimize any contacts with Russia, as already laid down in the documents. Trite who will cover the lost income? Especially now, when oil is flooding and the price is falling.
    2. incoggnoto
      incoggnoto 5 January 2023 19: 48
      -11
      but this is nonsense, the West must also understand that there is still China that is waiting and preparing for Taiwan ..
      so it's silly to write such things..
      1. filibuster
        filibuster 5 January 2023 19: 56
        +11
        This is nonsense. China will not make sudden movements, it seems to be clear to you already why, unlike our president, he still knows how to count money.
        1. incoggnoto
          incoggnoto 5 January 2023 20: 03
          -6
          how can you speak for China .. the military is obliged to prepare different options .. therefore, writing that China will not conduct its NWO is wrong. because the West is also spending a lot of resources .. and they are not unlimited .. moreover, for China this is the best time to conduct an operation .. it’s not a fact that such opportunities will still be open .. and answering in your own words, about the fact that China knows how to count money .. that is why the chance that the operation will be carried out is higher than the rejection of it ...
          1. Dmitry Rigov
            Dmitry Rigov 5 January 2023 20: 14
            +3
            It’s just that China will not be able to take Taiwan quickly, and in the event of escalation / sanctions and blocking the Strait of Malacca, the Chinese economy will develop much faster than the Russian one, there will still be a billion unemployed mouths that will demolish any government.
            1. incoggnoto
              incoggnoto 5 January 2023 20: 23
              -3
              why can't it? I’m sitting here and honestly surprised by such statements .. Taiwan is an island .. that is, it can be closed completely .. the minimum supply is not even .. China has if you forgot the largest fleet in the world .. this time ..
              the second point that you either don’t want to talk about or don’t understand is that sanctions are a stick at 2 ends .. in the west in China, an overwhelming number of industries .. and Chinese citizens are an order of magnitude more demanding on the standard of living .. thus, there is a chance for that that the regime will fall somewhere in the west higher than in China ..
              1. Dmitry Rigov
                Dmitry Rigov 5 January 2023 20: 44
                +1
                Taiwan is also not a bastard, its defensive capabilities are at a high level. The Chinese army poses a threat to Taiwan only after the landing of the Marines, but they will not be allowed to reach the island, since Taiwan has more than enough anti-ship missiles to fight back. Those. to eliminate the threat to amphibious assault ships, China will have to literally iron the entire island with missiles in the dust, which completely makes it pointless to capture it.
                Regarding the confrontation between the West and China - while the fat one dries up, the thin one dies, China will play the role of the thin one here - without money, resources, technologies.
                1. incoggnoto
                  incoggnoto 5 January 2023 21: 02
                  -8
                  if you are all so smart, then why are you not in the General Staff? China has openly stated that it is considering conducting a military operation against Taiwan .. well, the Chinese General Staff probably has more information than you ..
                  go ahead, all production is in China .. and China is no longer a country of 0 years. your theory is extremely wrong .. the west will bend earlier due to the fact that they are used to living there with all the amenities ..
                  1. Bolt cutter
                    Bolt cutter 5 January 2023 21: 25
                    +3
                    the west will bend before
                    Why would they (we smile ) bend?
                    1. AdAstra
                      AdAstra 5 January 2023 21: 31
                      +2
                      Yes, I'm afraid, sir, that's really nothing. I feel like we can do it sooner...
                      1. Bolt cutter
                        Bolt cutter 5 January 2023 21: 37
                        +6
                        I have to note that the standard of living here has nevertheless fallen. Not as catastrophic as the jingoists write, but still. And more and more often the opposition is asking the question - why? Russia, too, live and live, if wisely, the domestic market is not small, plus most countries simply have not imposed sanctions, and those that have introduced Russian goods are not really waiting in their markets .. The main thing is not to lose, here you will have more fun.
                        Initially, my answer was about China - and so, most of the "Chinese trash" - cheap consumer goods - has long been produced in Indonesia, Laos and other Bangladeshis. Something like this.
                      2. AdAstra
                        AdAstra 5 January 2023 21: 54
                        -2
                        For you it will probably be like this "Our prayers should be for a sound mind in a healthy body." or maybe like this "Little knoweth the fat sow what the lean doth mean." I think you understand what I mean and who in the Russian version of "who is who".
                  2. Al manah
                    Al manah 5 January 2023 21: 34
                    +1
                    Please remind me - when did they recruit smart people to the General Staff?
                  3. filibuster
                    filibuster 5 January 2023 22: 05
                    +1
                    China has openly stated that it is considering conducting a military operation against Taiwan .. well, probably the Chinese General Staff has more information than you.


                    Yes China recently said hold me seven if the plane from Pelonsi land in Taiwan what?
                2. YanniKounnar
                  YanniKounnar 5 January 2023 21: 16
                  0
                  "- sans argent, resources, technologies."
                  :-) vous oubliez que "l'occident" vit sur des dettes alors que la Chine a un confortable stock d'avoir ...
                  D'autres part "l'occident" ne peut pas se passer de ce que produit la Chine (quasiment tout ce qui est acheté en occident est fabriqué en Chine ( médicaments, téléphone, ordinateurs, outils etc etc...)
            2. aglet
              aglet 5 January 2023 21: 17
              -7
              "The Chinese economy will develop much faster than the Russian one, there will still be a billion unemployed mouths"
              and where did you get it from? China will have a huge sales market - Russia and the CIS countries, and an inexhaustible source of cheap raw materials - Russia and the CIS countries. so, the Chinese economy will not sag much. and the lost profits will be covered by increasing the prices of their goods
    3. topol717
      topol717 5 January 2023 19: 54
      -12
      Quote from: filibuster
      that Russia will not be able to defeat Ukraine in the current conditions, which is being helped by the West

      Between cannot and does not want to eat 2 big differences.
      1 rocket at Lvov, and the West will begin to convulse, convening the Sov. Without the UN. The second in Warsaw and threaten the third. This is where the fight ends. Next, you will need to withdraw your 600 Yards in the form of gold bars. And finish with the supply of resources. establish strong relations with North Korea, China, Iran and other countries.
      And yes, this chicken will peck for a long time.
      1. filibuster
        filibuster 5 January 2023 19: 58
        +1
        China.


        Yes, yes, let's become dependent on an even more insidious partner.
        1. incoggnoto
          incoggnoto 5 January 2023 20: 10
          -2
          what about addiction? show me at least one word cho I wrote about addiction?
          I wrote about the fact that China is well aware that right now is the best time for it to take Taiwan. because the west does not have enough resources in 2 directions ..
          1. filibuster
            filibuster 5 January 2023 22: 08
            0
            Well, how else if you propose to happen to trade with China, only he can offer us something similar to the volumes of the West, but being the only partner, he will twist his arms so that the West will seem like a philanthropist, but he actually twists his arms.
            And the second thing you still don’t understand is that China is now counting the money, the profit from the conquest of Taiwan will not close the losses, so I would assume that nothing will happen until the next CCP Congress and Xi’s re-election.
      2. sofkar
        sofkar 5 January 2023 20: 31
        +3
        CANNOT or WANT TO.
        You in this branch with filibuster simply differ in definitions.
        So I can give a neighbor a hammer on the head if he pisses me off? Technically I CAN - and I have a hammer and I have enough strength. But legally, as it were, I can’t, because they will put me in jail. And then it already starts to look like I DON'T WANT.
        That is, I DO NOT WANT the onset of consequences.
        Can the Russian Federation technically turn western Ukraine into a salt lake. Let's say it can! But the consequences are clear. Apparently all the notable participants, including China and Turkey. And these consequences are personal and point.
        For example, that the entire top of the Russian Federation will live the rest of their lives in the DPRK, if they are lucky to get there, and if the DPRK lasts so long.
        1. topol717
          topol717 5 January 2023 20: 38
          +4
          Quote: Sofkar
          Do you offer the entire top of the Russian Federation the rest of their lives to live in the DPRK?

          They are all under sanctions anyway, and if you understand, they are talking about negotiations on the Conditions of Ukraine. These comrades now have 2 roads, to the registry office and to the Prison. So in the registry office only through victory, and the longer the fuss, the closer the prison.
          1. sofkar
            sofkar 5 January 2023 21: 19
            +1
            Quote from: topol717
            Quote: Sofkar
            Do you offer the entire top of the Russian Federation the rest of their lives to live in the DPRK?

            They are all under sanctions anyway, and if you understand, they are talking about negotiations on the Conditions of Ukraine. These comrades now have 2 roads, to the registry office and to the Prison. So in the registry office only through victory, and the longer the fuss, the closer the prison.

            Here I completely agree with you. BUT. The registry office is supposed to be for the Russian Federation as a whole, and for violations of conventional rules, these "brothers of the bride" prescribed salt PERSONALLY to "comrade Saakhov" (collective)
            And what you suggested earlier:
            1 rocket at Lvov, and the West will begin to convulse, convening the Sov. Without the UN. The second in Warsaw and threaten the third.
            - this cell in the game is immediately "to prison", and personally for a couple of hundreds (thousands) of the highest echelon of management.
            Therefore, they are ready for anything (the best they can), but not the "nucleus".
            If you look at the development of events from this point, then everything becomes not contradictory. And you don't have to cry out "just don't want to".
            Everything they can, but only "within the framework of personally brought" rules - everyone does or tries.
      3. solar
        solar 5 January 2023 22: 24
        -1
        1 rocket at Lvov, and the West will begin to convulse, convening the Sov. Without the UN.

        You do not understand what nonsense you write. The use of nuclear weapons against a non-nuclear state is an unequivocal termination of the NPT. In five years there will be a dozen more nuclear states in the world, in ten years there will be about fifty. The current nuclear weapons of the nuclear powers will depreciate. Nobody needs it.
        1. albert
          albert 5 January 2023 23: 50
          -1
          Quote from solar
          The use of nuclear weapons against a non-nuclear state is an unequivocal termination of the NPT. In five years there will be a dozen more nuclear states in the world, in ten years there will be about fifty. The current nuclear weapons of the nuclear powers will depreciate. Nobody needs it.

          Nonsense. The Dnyao is not particularly observed anyway, Israel and Korea are an example of this.
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    4. Nikolay310
      Nikolay310 5 January 2023 20: 01
      +5
      well, if he can’t, then you need to leave the guys for 36 hours under shelling without the right to answer ??? hoping to earn forgiveness on their blood???

      since your Russia cannot, then leave ... let the one who will fight and the one who finds normal "marshals" instead of plywood come
    5. alexoff
      alexoff 5 January 2023 20: 26
      +1
      Looks more like he's trying to dig himself a deeper hole.
      1. StarWarrior
        StarWarrior 5 January 2023 21: 04
        -3
        Why dig a new hole? She already is. Ganina Yama was tested for these purposes in 1918 and is again ready to accept all those who are close-minded
    6. North Caucasus
      North Caucasus 5 January 2023 23: 05
      -2
      Well, the Soviet Union also fought with the collective West. And won! Why? Because there were steel genitals!
      1. filibuster
        filibuster 5 January 2023 23: 15
        +2
        Only in allies we had the United States and England, and now they are allies of Ukraine.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2023 23: 56
          -3
          Quote from: filibuster
          Only in allies we had the USA and England

          while the Allies successfully traded with Hitler
  13. Shamil88
    Shamil88 5 January 2023 19: 45
    +21
    And Putin decided to play nobility on the blood of our guys and gave the order to cease fire for a day, the grandfather completely collapsed from the oak tree, in what reality do they live there? This one is worse than Yeltsin, at least he didn’t play a patriot, what else needs to happen for him to stop playing NWO? He is already ready to carry out any instructions from Erdogan
    1. spirit
      spirit 5 January 2023 19: 51
      +16
      If I were Svidomo now, I would burrow even deeper underground in Bakhmut for two days, since such an attraction of unheard-of generosity. And then the Landing Forces and Wagner will knock them out at the cost of much more blood, but what is the life of soldiers compared to Caesar's "beautiful" gesture hi
      1. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 5 January 2023 19: 56
        +12
        Quote: spirit
        If I were Svidomo now, I would burrow even deeper underground in Bakhmut for two days, since such an attraction of unheard-of generosity. And then the Landing Forces and Wagner will knock them out at the cost of much more blood, but what is the life of soldiers compared to Caesar's "beautiful" gesture hi

        Why should they bother? They can go on the attack, the Russians will be forbidden to shoot at them by order of the commander-in-chief, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine themselves did not sign any agreements and did not give words not to shoot.
        1. VB
          VB 5 January 2023 20: 19
          +8
          You can transfer equipment from the west in a continuous stream. Betrayal at all levels.
  14. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2023 19: 46
    +17
    .... I have no other words
    Why ... this circus with horses had to be arranged in principle, if everything was poured into a cesspool?!!!!!
  15. Sergei Viktorovich Korolev
    Sergei Viktorovich Korolev 5 January 2023 19: 47
    +12
    I see nothing but a betrayal of Russia's interests!!!
  16. Rusik.S
    Rusik.S 5 January 2023 19: 47
    +12
    And Putin announced a truce. Another gesture of goodwill, or what? Only an idiot or a traitor can act like this, I just don’t see other options
  17. Rage66
    Rage66 5 January 2023 19: 48
    +12
    On January 5, Patriarch Kirill of Moscow and All Rus' called for a truce in Ukraine and the Donbass so that the Orthodox could celebrate Christmas in peace. The clergyman also indicated the time from 12:00 on January 6 to 24:00 on January 7.

    It started again. Pop Kirill decided to promote himself.
    These "Orthodox" direct artillery fire on our guys. soldier
  18. Venara
    Venara 5 January 2023 19: 48
    +10
    Exchanging pathos for common sense. Gave a break to the enemy. Principal enemy. Who benefits from this/better?
  19. Chem1st
    Chem1st 5 January 2023 19: 49
    +20
    I instruct the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation to introduce from 12.00:6 January 2023, 24.00 to 7:2023 January XNUMX, XNUMX a ceasefire along the entire line of contact between the parties in Ukraine..

    Guys, yes, he is completely inadequate with us .... Something scared me ....
    1. AdAstra
      AdAstra 5 January 2023 20: 36
      +3
      Not for you alone"""""
  20. GeneralShahimatovich
    GeneralShahimatovich 5 January 2023 19: 49
    +15
    Sorry, our president is a senile.
  21. ximkim
    ximkim 5 January 2023 19: 53
    +11
    It is necessary to close all the bunkers for the president in Russia for five years, since the lack of sunlight leads to a loss of common sense.
  22. Dizel200
    Dizel200 5 January 2023 19: 55
    +6
    Well, what, now there are specific persons who must be held accountable if something happens during the fulfillment of their desires and orders.
  23. nikolas 83
    nikolas 83 5 January 2023 19: 55
    +17
    Sunny-faced, merciful.
    1. RuAbel
      RuAbel 5 January 2023 20: 09
      +6
      What about Baptism? Platoon, naked and in Bakhmutka!
    2. VB
      VB 5 January 2023 20: 21
      +2
      Or maybe, it’s so conceived, just give up positions and leave?
  24. ximkim
    ximkim 5 January 2023 19: 56
    +8
    Quote: spirit
    If I were Svidomo now, I would burrow even deeper underground in Bakhmut for two days, since such an attraction of unheard-of generosity. And then the Landing Forces and Wagner will knock them out at the cost of much more blood, but what is the life of soldiers compared to Caesar's "beautiful" gesture hi

    That's all, the clinic.
    And the worst thing is that this clinic will continue after the 2024 elections.
  25. StarWarrior
    StarWarrior 5 January 2023 19: 57
    +10
    And yet the Soviet government was right in the fight against obscurantism!
    The Red Army defeated the Nazis because it was atheistic and believed in the power of reason, not prejudice.
    Otherwise, with such truces, our grandfathers would have proclaimed the Great Patriotic War.
    1. alexoff
      alexoff 5 January 2023 20: 23
      +9
      But the Red Army did not arrange a truce on November 7, since our fellow communists were under occupation on the other side of the front line. And in general, no truces were arranged
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  27. samarin1969
    samarin1969 5 January 2023 20: 02
    +8
    The operation follows the traditions of business: infographics, press approaches, "presentations" of new "branches" ... Now here is such a miserable "public relations".

    Simply - "end of the world": "When the sea becomes land, and the night becomes day. When clowns become presidents, etc. ..." am
  28. dandy
    dandy 5 January 2023 20: 04
    +8
    Damn, I'm already waiting for the next news with some shudder ... Well, what to do with this?!! This is some kind of masochism. We will be saved, probably, by our own, Pinochet, domestic bottling? I don't know anymore....
    1. Nikolay310
      Nikolay310 5 January 2023 20: 09
      -8
      yeah ... and Navalny will become this Pinochet and then the living will envy the dead ... Russia has a great example of how to act ... but no, we will call the Pinochets and Mussolini
      1. dmi.pris1
        dmi.pris1 5 January 2023 20: 51
        0
        Why Navalny right away? Why not from the current commanders of the former republics of Donbass, and now the regions of Russia?
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 6 January 2023 05: 58
          +2
          Quote from: dmi.pris1
          Why not from the current commanders of the former republics of Donbass, and now the regions of Russia?

          Who do you mean?
          Being a squad leader is all about skills and charisma.
          To be the head of state, other skills are needed ...
  29. RuAbel
    RuAbel 5 January 2023 20: 07
    +9
    But there will be fools, and services in churches will be arranged in the front line ...
    1. Andrey Karpov
      Andrey Karpov 5 January 2023 20: 11
      +2
      We are waiting for a damn hundred new "makeevkas". it's just a fagot
      1. dmi.pris1
        dmi.pris1 5 January 2023 20: 53
        +1
        Here you don’t need to wang. And it’s so sickening in my soul ..
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 6 January 2023 05: 10
          +2
          Quote from: dmi.pris1
          Here you don’t need to wang. And it’s so sickening in my soul ..

          To the one who has registered for 3 days - only wang and remains. His job is like this.
          I wrote a lot of things here, both above and below.
          Look. Maybe not so boring. hi
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  31. donavi49
    donavi49 5 January 2023 20: 10
    +2
    By the way, if you look at the weather, this truce guarantees the passage of January with warmth.

    Kyiv - the most severe cold until January 8 (up to -11), and 9 is already -5-8, then -2 +5 actually until the end of the month.
    Kharkiv - up to -13 on Sunday. Further warming.

    Conventionally, if the next strike is on January 11-12 and later, then even in the worst-case scenario with a complete blackout, the systems will not unfreeze. In fact, the only chance for critical damage is just Christmas frosts.
  32. AdAstra
    AdAstra 5 January 2023 20: 11
    +15
    News by email
    "Putin instructed to introduce a temporary ceasefire on the line of contact in the NVO zone"
    As they say without comment ... request am
    But I won’t say another bad word about those who left for Georgia and other Kazakhstans. Since what I read about is pure schizophrenia or I don’t even know what it is and it motivates me very much on the front line recourse
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  34. Normal
    Normal 5 January 2023 20: 13
    +7
    From the point of view of military operations, utter stupidity. And from the point of view of explaining this by a large number of Orthodox, the gesture is probably understandable, but only theoretically. The enemy is cunning, vile, unprincipled, deceitful. How can you negotiate with someone who lies like he breathes? That is, for 8 years they did not ask the Sumerians to stop fire in the Donbass on Christmas, when the NWO began dancing with a tambourine. Strange NWO, now the inhabitants of Donbass are threshed many times more than in the previous 8 years. What's the point then? Came to liberate and ditch more? I said and I will repeat, the people can endure and forgive a lot, except for stupidity and weakness.
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 5 January 2023 20: 28
      +2
      Quote: Normal
      From the point of view of military operations, utter stupidity. And from the point of view of explaining this by a large number of Orthodox, the gesture is probably understandable, but only theoretically. The enemy is cunning, vile, unprincipled, deceitful. How can you negotiate with someone who lies like he breathes? That is, for 8 years they did not ask the Sumerians to stop fire in the Donbass on Christmas, when the NWO began dancing with a tambourine. Strange NWO, now the inhabitants of Donbass are threshed many times more than in the previous 8 years. What's the point then? Came to liberate and ditch more? I said and I will repeat, the people can endure and forgive a lot, except for stupidity and weakness.

      You didn't understand the whole situation. Nobody agrees with anyone. Just a one-sided move by Russia.
    2. solar
      solar 5 January 2023 22: 29
      0
      How can you negotiate with someone who lies like he breathes?

      Still worse. Nobody agreed with anyone.
  35. Mikhail Ivanov
    Mikhail Ivanov 5 January 2023 20: 14
    -6
    Not a believer, but I will say my opinion: "They are Satanists, the American line of the sick!"
    You can expect anything from them, so you need to preempt!!!
  36. BIS.service
    BIS.service 5 January 2023 20: 15
    -1
    If the Ukrainians do not recognize the truce, then we do not need it either, otherwise there will be extra victims among ours. Who will be responsible for this? Patriarch?
  37. VB
    VB 5 January 2023 20: 15
    +6
    In Russian history, there was already a similar figure - Peter III. He just gave Prussia back to Frederick II with Koenigsberg, surrendered Berlin, made peace with the losing king. This became unbearable for the Russian officers and he got a fork in the neck. The dubious laurels of a traitor do not give rest.
    1. Nikolay310
      Nikolay310 5 January 2023 20: 21
      +5
      Peter the Third had a wife ... who, although the Duchess of Anhaltzerbskaya, in fact turned out to be more russified than all Russians ... but what about this one? Krivonogikh and Kabaev? with Rogozin and Milonov?
      1. aglet
        aglet 5 January 2023 21: 31
        0
        "and Milonov"
        Milonov, by the way, serves as a gunner on a cannon, unlike the royal wolf, who ate vodka in restaurants
  38. AndreyKa54076
    AndreyKa54076 5 January 2023 20: 17
    +8
    How already everyone was fed up with these Kremlin peacekeepers with their gestures of goodwill... 36 hours to start the offensive, unanswered rocket attacks and the killing of our guys!
  39. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2023 20: 17
    0
    Podolyak said that "Ukraine does not attack foreign territory" and that a "temporary truce" is possible only if Russia withdraws from the occupied territories.
  40. Salt
    Salt 5 January 2023 20: 19
    0
    And now how can our soldiers not respond to the shelling and attacks of the enemy?
    When they beat on the left cheek, deliver the right or straight forehead? sad
    Who needs this truce?
    Beat the Nazis to the last! angry
  41. Nikolay310
    Nikolay310 5 January 2023 20: 19
    +3
    Gurulyov called the Christmas truce stupidity ... in my memory I don’t remember something that the deputies of the EdRa spoke so directly about the instructions of their supreme ...

    it seems that Pu is starting to be brought down ... and most importantly, he did everything so that NO ONE would marry him ... well, maybe except for individual Cerberus from the 2nd (if I'm not mistaken) regiment of the Russian Guard
    1. AdAstra
      AdAstra 5 January 2023 20: 28
      +5
      What individual Cerberus, did you forget about 40 guardsmen from Chechnya, or do you think they did it there out of the simplicity of their soul?
      1. albert
        albert 5 January 2023 23: 52
        -2
        And this cannot be compared with the number of fighters in the NWO.
  42. alexoff
    alexoff 5 January 2023 20: 19
    +8
    It remains to be hoped that the troops will not follow this senile order
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  43. Nikolay310
    Nikolay310 5 January 2023 20: 23
    +6
    it seems that the most ardent patriots of Russia are now in Kyiv (or Lvov), it is their stubborn stupidity that does not allow the "great" Pu and his plywood field marshal to merge just everything ...

    about Zelensky's patriotism towards Russia, of course, sarcasm ... but the fact that there are simply no Russian patriots on the planet of pink ponies is now an approved fact
  44. Codett
    Codett 5 January 2023 20: 24
    -2
    This is a strange behavior of the leadership, maybe a PR action or something else, what actions will the enemy take if ours do not shoot, I think that everyone understands well whether the bosses in large offices understand this. If not, then be in trouble, although I hope that everything will come to its senses.
  45. Metallurg_2
    Metallurg_2 5 January 2023 20: 28
    +7
    Whether our authorities are under illusions that the Ukrainian side will immediately support such an undertaking is a separate issue.

    Fucking strategists.
    I wonder if they know the words of Suvorov: "One minute decides the outcome of the battle, one hour - the outcome of the campaign, one day - the fate of empires."
    Whole day xoxlam to regroup. Oh well...
    It is clear who the Sultan is working for, who called for a unilateral ceasefire. But for whom does our Holy One work, calling to do the same?
  46. Fangaro
    Fangaro 5 January 2023 20: 30
    -7
    The Kyiv regime commented on the call of the Patriarch of Moscow and All Rus' Kirill for a Christmas truce in Ukraine and Donbass. Recall that earlier the head of the Russian Orthodox Church noted the importance of this bright Orthodox holiday for all believers and called on the parties to the conflict to stop hostilities for at least one day.

    Devilish words of the Ukrainian adviser Zelensky. He doesn't want to stop fratricide for a day! Infidel Kyiv!!!
  47. Andrey Andreev_2
    Andrey Andreev_2 5 January 2023 20: 31
    +2
    Like Satanists, Ukrainians and NATO members with the EU. I am writing the last word and reading - SS men ...
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 6 January 2023 04: 39
      +1
      Satanists. And they don't hide it.
      Therefore, the victory will be for Russia.
  48. al3x
    al3x 5 January 2023 20: 32
    +1
    In honor of the holiday, they will also begin to hammer with double strength. And what about ours? Will they just watch for 36 hours? How is that...
    1. Waterways 672
      Waterways 672 5 January 2023 20: 54
      +7
      And how do you imagine it? Kyiv partners will hammer, and our fighters will sit in the trenches and pray, yes, they will score a big and thick bolt on this truce, and the answer will fly to respected Kyiv partners. I see no other options, this is not the situation before June 22, 1941, when they were afraid to provoke Hitler.
      1. al3x
        al3x 5 January 2023 23: 39
        +2
        I hope that it will be like that. We will see. Still, it would not hurt at the end of this "one-sided truce" to iron for all the missed 36 hours. Direct 08.01 from 00:01
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 6 January 2023 04: 37
          +1
          This is what is now going to the front while the alarmists are whining:
  49. Ural resident
    Ural resident 5 January 2023 20: 32
    +1
    In fact, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will iron our positions for a day, calmly replenish ammunition and rotate, and ours will have the strictest ban on retaliation. They will not obey, most likely the DPR corps, and then they will be punished from above, since formally they are already part of the Russian army.
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 6 January 2023 04: 35
      0
      Quote: Resident of the Urals
      In fact, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will iron our positions for a day, calmly replenish ammunition and rotate, and ours will have a strict ban on retaliation.

      There are no alarmists on you.
      1. spektr9
        spektr9 6 January 2023 08: 39
        0
        There are no alarmists on you.

        Under Stalin, you would have stood at the wall for betraying your homeland ...
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 6 January 2023 10: 28
        0
        Quote: Alex777
        There are no alarmists on you.

        why do you call sincere rejection of negotiations with the enemy alarmism?
  50. g_ae
    g_ae 5 January 2023 20: 36
    +2
    Well, apparently some lovers of "goodwill gestures" like it when raguli spit in their faces. Masochism, however. Life teaches nothing. It remains to call Zelyabobus and the gang "partners". Tfu, what a mess!