The first former prisoners who fought in PMC "Wagner" completed their contract service and were pardoned

Former prisoners of Russian correctional institutions, who were the first to enter into contracts to participate in a special military operation as part of the Wagner PMC, were given the opportunity to leave the NVO zone, as their contracts have been completed. This was announced by the founder of PMC "Wagner" Yevgeny Prigozhin.

As it became known, contracts for participation in the special operation are concluded for a period of six months. After this time, if the former prisoner is still alive, he receives a pardon and can be released. Prigogine himself speaks of the fighters with respect. He emphasizes that the guys worked out their contracts in the way that few people can - with honor and dignity.

It's genetics. This is what you have in your body. A combination of hormones, brain convolutions and everything else. Go forward, do not be afraid of the enemy, look into his eyes and do not look away. Those who look away - maybe they are great computer scientists, great artists or doctors. And these are warriors. They were born warriors and saw that they were warriors

- quotes the words of Prigogine RIA News.

Yevgeny Prigozhin spoke about one of the fighters with the call sign "GDR". The man died during the assault on the stronghold of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the area of ​​the Uglegorsk TPP. He was fifty-two years old, thirty of them the fighter spent behind barbed wire. But he decided to volunteer for a special operation and died heroically.

The prisoners themselves thank PMCs and Prigozhin for the opportunity to start a new life. In the first group pardoned - 20 people. Now they are waiting for freedom, the right to which they have obtained with their blood. After the pardon, they have the opportunity to get back to Wagner PMC as ordinary employees and continue to perform other tasks - not necessarily in the special operation zone, possibly in far abroad countries.

Comments

[pharmacist]

The fact that Wagner fulfills his obligations to the fighters is very, very good. Trust is very hard to earn.

[Asad]

If you cheat, then no one will go, news spreads instantly in the zones.

[Lech from Android.]

They deserved pardon with their blood ... only in this way and nothing else.

[Maxim G]

To whom did they deserve pardon?

[Paul Siebert]

Quote: Maxim G

To whom did they deserve pardon?

In the face of the enemy!
And who did you think of?

[Maxim G]

About the victims of the crimes for which they were convicted.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Maxim G

About the victims of the crimes for which they were convicted

Not all of them are killers! And among the killers, not all are malicious ... there are also accidentally drunk, unintentional sloppiness! In addition, there are such serious crimes for which convicts are not released from the PMC zone!

[Maxim G]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Not all of them are killers! And among the killers, not all are malicious ... there are also accidentally drunk, unintentional sloppiness! In addition, there are such serious crimes for which convicts are not released from the PMC zone!

You carefully read the article (the question is the same as for Alexei).

[Sergej1972]

Did you read carefully? This fighter, who served 32 years, died. In any case, he will not pose a threat to anyone.

[Maxim G]

And you can’t develop the train of thought, further?
He died, others did not.

[Carat]

Quote: Maxim G

And you can’t develop the train of thought, further?
He died, others did not.

And what is there to develop special thoughts? PMCs have good salaries, so most of the survivors will renew their contract.

[Maxim G]

Affected by their hands, how to react?

[former soldier]

Affected by their hands, how to react?

And if there are most mortgages with terms of 6-8 years of strict?

[Maxim G]

According to parole - how long will they be released, if without a hospital and with good behavior, in 4-5 years?
The point is to take risks in military operations.

[Maxim G]

Quote: Former soldier

not given to everyone

Those. the citizen has not realized, and is not ready for life in the wild.
Part 4.1 of Article 79 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.

[mongolian9999]

Follow the PMC. And there, if there is a claim, present it.

[Maxim G]

Where is this written in the law?

Quote: mongol9999

Follow the PMC. And there, if there is a claim, present it.

[skeptick2]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Not all of them are killers! And not all killers are evil.

Of course.
Thirty years out of 52 convicts released to him trampled the zone for nothing. Yes, by misunderstanding. For what, apparently, that in the children's sandbox just lay down to sleep.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote from: skeptick2

Thirty years out of 52 released to him, the convict trampled the zone for nothing. Yes, by misunderstanding. For, apparently, that he just lay down to sleep in the children's sandbox

Don't exaggerate! Do not pull the owl on the globe! If he spent 30 years in the zone, this does not mean that he killed or maimed someone! And an "experienced pickpocket" can manage to spend 30 years in the zone...!
PS Remember the parable of the crucified thieves next to Christ! Christ Himself forgave the repentant criminal and allowed him into paradise!

[skeptick2]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Don't exaggerate! Do not pull the owl on the globe! If he spent 30 years in the zone, this does not mean that he killed or maimed someone! And an "experienced pickpocket" can manage to spend 30 years in the zone...!

Don't exaggerate! Do not pull the owl on the globe!
If he spent 30 years in the zone for pickpocketing, it only means that he is a malicious recidivist. Socially dangerous type. Not subject to re-education. Like that hunchback. Who, at the whim of Prigogine and by chance, escaped the grave.
But we rejoice in such a happy circumstance. Now there is one more recidivist in Russia. And citizens' pockets will be cleared more often. It’s good if, at the same time, this convict forgiven by Prigogine does not put a knife to his throat. We thank him for this.

[Sergej1972]

He died in battle. Did you read the text carefully?

[Carat]

Quote from: skeptick2

Socially dangerous type. Not subject to re-education.

He died in battle as a warrior. And someone sat on the couch for 30 years and only criticized.
And generally speaking:
IT IS COMMITTED TO BE SILENT OVER THE CORSE OF A DEAD SOLDIER - SUCH IS A REQUIREMENT OF MILITARY ETHICS, AND NO ONE CAN STATE THAT THE KILLED WAGNER MAN DID NOT DESERVE THIS HONOR.

[72jora72]

Who, at the whim of Prigogine and by chance, escaped the grave.

Well, let's drive them back into the "zones", and from you (couch experts-critics) we will create an assault battalion, you will take the supporters ......

[Simple]

Quote: Maxim G

About the victims of the crimes for which they were convicted.

Oh, how easily you re-read all the "cases" and condemned them with your yardstick.
Some "victims of crimes" are worse in their moral qualities than convicts.

[Maxim G]

This is not for us to establish - but for the judicial system.

Quote: Simple

Some "victims of crimes" are worse in their moral qualities than convicts.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Maxim G

This is not for us to establish - but for the judicial system.

Quote: Simple

Some "victims of crimes" are worse in their moral qualities than convicts.

The judicial system, in addition to sentencing to term, just provides for such procedures as parole and pardon.
Do you think that the convict will be released on parole, or the end of his term of imprisonment, will it become easier for the victims? No, it won't. Pardon? What's wrong if a person made a deal with the state - putting his life on the line in exchange for a pardon (the same parole only in a much accelerated version), while realizing that he could die. After all, he could sit in the zone, eat the prisoner's ration and wait for parole for good behavior, despite the fact that his victim pays for his maintenance from his taxes. If he fulfilled his part of the obligations with honor and fought on the front line for half a year on a daily basis, then the state fulfills its part of the obligations through a pardon. Everything is fair.
It seems to me that the moral side of the issue "with the victims" is far-fetched by you, because walking past honey with a fly in the ointment is an exorbitant burden for many "sympathizers".

[Maxim G]

Quote: Nyrobsky

It seems to me that the moral side of the issue "with the victims" is far-fetched by you, because walking past honey with a fly in the ointment is an exorbitant burden for many "sympathizers".

And what is the opinion of the victims about this development of events?

By the way, you can familiarize yourself with how parole, pardon, commissions, filing applications, etc. take place.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Maxim G

And what is the opinion of the victims about this development of events?

I think if the "victim" is notified that the "respondent" has died, she will take it with more satisfaction than learning that the defendant was released on parole, or at the end of his term. In the second case, the victim may lose his peace of mind. everything else will also be afraid that the offender may come to take revenge. Participation in Wagner greatly halves this possibility, and in some cases reduces it to zero. Is not it?

Quote: Maxim G

By the way, you can get acquainted with how parole, pardon, commissions, filing applications, etc.

Maybe not. In general, I am touched by people who, being very superficially knowledgeable in the affairs of the penitentiary system, try to lecture and lecture their opponent, absolutely not knowing the degree of his awareness of the issue under discussion. In the taiga village in the Urals, where I was born, there were two zones - OOR (especially dangerous regime) and a strict regime zone, and therefore there was plenty of communication with people in uniform from the administration of the colonies, as well as with convicts on an unconvoyed convoy, that to find out how and what is done in this system.

[Maxim G]

Quote: Nyrobsky

Is not it?

What if he doesn't die?

Quote: Nyrobsky

Maybe not. In general, I am touched by people who, being very superficially knowledgeable in the affairs of the penitentiary system, try to lecture and lecture their opponent, absolutely not knowing the degree of his awareness of the issue under discussion. In the taiga village in the Urals, where I was born, there were two zones - OOR (especially dangerous regime) and a strict regime zone, and therefore there was plenty of communication with people in uniform from the administration of the colonies, as well as with convicts on an unconvoyed convoy, that to find out how and what is done in this system.

And the court considering the petition of the convict takes into account what?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Maxim G

What if he doesn't die?

Hm. So you are just advocating to close the opportunity for convicts to participate in the Wagner PMC, and therefore you just increase the chance of the "victim" to meet with the "offender" to 100%. Is not it so?

Quote: Maxim G

And the court considering the petition of the convict takes into account what?

The court will consider only if the administration misses. Often, some kind of "hose" is more likely to get parole than a hard worker (the same tractor driver on a plot, or on laying a lay road), because there are a lot of hoses, and instead of a freed specialist, you need to look for a replacement, specialists for recounting. For some time "before" he will be drawn a violation of the regime of detention and he will continue to work until the end of the term.
And so they consider - the departure of half or 2/3 of the term of punishment, the repayment of the claim, remorse for what they have done, the absence of violations of the regime of detention, i.e. exemplary behavior, a positive reference from the administration of the colony, sometimes medical indications and family circumstances are taken into account. In the case of Khodorkovsky, as well as with Yamadayev (or Yandarbiev, I don’t remember exactly), he took into account the grave state of his mother’s health. The first was released on all four sides, and the second was transferred to Chechnya, where he was released on parole.

[Lech from Android.]

Quote: Maxim G

To whom did they deserve pardon?

It's definitely not in front of you.

[Maxim G]

Quote: Lech from Android.

It's definitely not in front of you.

In front of you, Alyosha?

[Lech from Android.]

Yes, at least in front of me ... some people get on the bunk because of their stupidity ... some because of drunkenness, some young stupidity.
Any of us can end up on the bunk by pure chance ... for example, he had a fight with a neighbor because of his mistress and you are in the zone ... or you pushed the boor and he took it and bang his head on the curb ... again the zone.
So in relation to those who got into the zone, I don’t fit with the same measure.
Fate is a villain, after all... it’s not for nothing that people say from prison and don’t swear off the scrip.

[Maxim G]

Quote: Lech from Android.

Yes, at least in front of me ... some people get on the bunk because of their stupidity ... some drunk, some young stupidity.
Any of us can end up on the bunk by pure chance ... for example, he had a fight with a neighbor because of his mistress and you are in the zone ... or you pushed the boor and he took it and bang his head on the curb ... again the zone.
So in relation to those who got into the zone, I don’t fit with the same measure.
Fate is a villain, after all... it’s not for nothing that people say from prison and don’t swear off the scrip.

Have you carefully read the articles?

[Lech from Android.]

Very carefully ... as well as your comments ... I immediately see emotions and addictions to other people's sins.

[Maxim G]

Quote: Lech from Android.

Very carefully ... as well as your comments ... I immediately see emotions and addictions to other people's sins.

And what kind of example was given with a fighter?

[Lech from Android.]

Quote: Maxim G

And what kind of example was given with a fighter?

50 years old man 30 years in the zone ... so what?
At the end of his life, he brought at least some benefit to his country by atoning for his misdeeds with his life.
At least it's better than ending up on prison bunk.
At the age of 50, many men are already drawing up the results of their fate ... this man knocked out in this way ... this is his choice.

[skeptick2]

Quote: Lech from Android.

50 years old man 30 years in the zone ... so what?

Not "and what", but for what? For what can thirty years slurp slurp? For "pure coincidence"? We understand and sympathize.
And we willingly believe the standard answer of the convict, who, to the question "what are you sitting for?" always says "nothing". And for this "no way" thirty years give? What Themis in Russia, it turns out, is unfair.
Such terms, sir, are given precisely for the gravest, atrocious crimes against a person. For murder or rape with extreme cruelty. If their thirty years the convict scored a total of several walkers, then he is a recidivist, a bandit. Having received freedom, such a person will continue to kill and rape, because he is a priori socially dangerous.
Giving indulgence for certain types of crimes is simply immoral. Prigogine has not yet thought of awarding such orders?
But the main thing is not that. The main thing is that such actions of Prigozhin completely level and cast doubt on the entire Russian justice system.
Or are things in the NWO so bad that this war cannot be won without convicts? Does Prigozhin even understand how it looks from the outside?

[Edik]

Quote from: skeptick2

accident"?

Often changes people's lives beyond recognition.

[Simple]

Quote from: skeptick2

Having received freedom, such a person will continue to kill and rape, because he is a priori socially dangerous.

In terms of the number of victims last week in Maryinka, just some of the Moscow Region can be safely recorded as "recidivists" - as a human being - not according to the law.
Since if this employee is not identified and punished, then they will continue to "kill" to the extent of their negligence.

[alexmach]

There is such a risk, you are right.
But firstly, they have a chance to die in the war.
Secondly, as the article wrote, there is a chance that Wagner will further socialize those pardoned. Well, suddenly they will find themselves in this craft and in this organization.
Well, the last one is about 20 copies.

Or are things in the NWO so bad that this war cannot be won without convicts?

You yourself do not see how things are in the NWO? It is especially funny when the military personnel, before being mobilized from the army, ran to break contracts.

PS: I have one relative of his wife in the Great Patriotic War fought heroically in intelligence, and he began his heroic path .. well, somehow unclear. His grandson said that there are suspicions that he went from prison to the front.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote from: skeptick2

Not "and what", but for what? Why can you slurp gruel for thirty years? For "pure coincidence"? We understand and sympathize.
And we willingly believe the standard answer of the convict, who, to the question "what are you sitting for?" always says "nothing". And for this "for nothing" they give thirty years? What Themis in Russia, it turns out, is unfair.
Such terms, sir, are given precisely for the gravest, atrocious crimes against a person. For murder or rape with extreme cruelty. If a convict has accumulated his thirty years of the zone in total for several walkers, then he is a recidivist, a bandit. Having received freedom, such a person will continue to kill and rape, because he is a priori socially dangerous.

Come on, you catch up with horror and paint everyone the same color. After all, not only the murderers go to Wagner, but all the Z / c, according to the usual articles, have expressed their readiness. Even the aforementioned dead fighter with 30 years of imprisonment could be a simple kleptomaniac (thief) and corny, repeatedly, sit under one article for theft. If several times a conviction goes under one article, then this is a relapse, and therefore the convict flies into the category of recidivist.
You don’t admit that he could have been from home at all and that all social and family ties were already broken before the zone, and therefore, in the wild, no one needs him, no one is waiting for him and nothing is holding him. The will is incomprehensible and complicated for him, as soon as he leaves the walls of the d / house, because he is not adapted to the environment where he himself must solve all issues with housing, work, feeding, etc., which he does not know how to do. And on the contrary, in the space limited by the perimeter of the zone, knowing the whole arrangement and life according to concepts and routine, he is like a fish in water. There he has 3 meals a day, a bunk, linen and a robe, heat, a bathhouse, work, medicine and any kind of entertainment. All his problems are solved by the administration of the IK and the guardian of the zone. These are the ones, when they go free, they don’t know how to live on, and therefore, having a little gossip and having lost the available cash, they easily go on theft, or a hooligan and return to their “native home”. That's thirty in total.
In the case of Wagner, he could also go realizing that there, all his problems would also be solved by the commanders.

Quote from: skeptick2

The main thing is that such actions of Prigozhin completely level and cast doubt on the entire Russian justice system.
Or are things in the NWO so bad that this war cannot be won without convicts?

Are you saying that convicts are not citizens of Russia? Or how? Does it disgust you that he went to the front line from the zone? OK then. What can you say about the fact that yesterday's prisoner, who was released after serving his sentence, went to the front as a citizen? What do you say in this case? This is different, he is already a citizen. That is, a change in the status of a convict, just within 24 hours, will change your opinion and view of the problem? Or what?

[skeptick2]

Quote: Nyrobsky

What do you say in this case?

What will I say?
I will say that the convict who trampled the zone thirty years NEVER will not go to the front after being released from prison. And he will do his usual business - to kill, rape and rob. And nothing else.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote from: skeptick2

Quote: Nyrobsky

What do you say in this case?

What will I say?
I will say that the convict who trampled the zone thirty years NEVER will not go to the front after being released from prison. And he will do his usual business - to kill, rape and rob. And nothing else.

Hmm, Tolik, have you even read the article? Or, bypassing this "worthless" process, do you immediately proceed to the process of "stigmatization" and the distribution of "slaps"?
Here, especially for you, the article says - BLACK on WHITE "

Yevgeny Prigozhin spoke about one of the fighters with the call sign "GDR". The man died during the assault on the stronghold of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the area of ​​the Uglegorsk TPP. He was fifty-two years old, thirty of them the fighter spent behind barbed wire. But he decided to volunteer for a special operation and died heroically.

If you don’t believe the owner of Wagner, Prigozhin, who briefly communicates with them, then I don’t even know which source of information is more trustworthy for you. Probably the Air Force!?

[mongolian9999]

Own experience?
Unfortunately, it's stupid to write a longer comment.

[mongolian9999]

Yes. For example, as the fate of General Lukin. De jure criminal. In fact, a hero.

[NOMADE]

I agree, partly so. But there are acquaintances of a friend who (one was 5 years old, the other 12, an organized crime group, etc.), who left to fight. Normal people by chance (negligent homicide, traffic accident, hooligan, usually do not get more than 5 years, and most in colony settlements later). And in our zone, don’t ask anyone, everyone is innocent))

[Edik]

Quote: Maxim G

In front of you, Alyosha?

Maxim, I’ll tell you one very smart thing now, but don’t be offended. Don’t judge and you won’t be judged.

[Maxim G]

The court decides the punishment, not me.

Quote: Edik

Maxim, I’ll tell you one very smart thing now, but don’t be offended. Don’t judge and you won’t be judged.

[Edik]

Quote: Maxim G

The court decides the punishment, not me.

Well, here again Maxim, you didn’t catch the point ...

[Maxim G]

Quote: Edik

Well, here again Maxim, you didn’t catch the point ...

You don't understand what is REALLY going on.

[Edik]

Quote: Maxim G

You don't understand what is REALLY going on.

Try to explain to me, otherwise I can’t catch the essence of your thoughts.

[Maxim G]

You first need to culturally ask me about this, but you have not succeeded.

Quote: Edik

Try to explain to me, otherwise I can’t catch the essence of your thoughts.

[mongolian9999]

Amnesty for Victory Day is certainly the right and justified measure. )))

[skeptick2]

Quote: Edik

Judge not and you will not be judged

So let's cancel the courts altogether. And the entire Russian justice system!
And what? Option. Nobody will be judged. Everything will be fine for everyone. And it will be possible to walk the streets in the evenings calmly. Including your family and friends.

[Edik]

Quote from: skeptick2

So let's cancel the courts altogether. And the entire Russian justice system!

Maxim with the Russian justice system, I don’t confuse, but you do!

[skeptick2]

I don't know what you are confusing and what is not. But Zheglov's catchphrase was either clearly not heard at all, or forgotten.

[Edik]

Quote from: skeptick2

I don't know what you are confusing and what is not.

This is bad in your case! This is folk wisdom ...

Quote from: skeptick2

Zheglov was obviously either not heard at all, or forgotten.

Heard, and also heard about penal battalions.

[Rosemary]

Quote from: skeptick2

So let's cancel the courts altogether. And the entire Russian justice system!

So why cancel now? We need to be more flexible and reform the Russian justice system in accordance with the new realities of society and the state.
And to introduce into the Criminal Code a new type of punishment for crimes committed by a court verdict - participation in a special military operation as part of the Wagner PMC.
For example, Article 131 "Rape" in the Criminal Code would look like this:
1. Rape, that is, sexual intercourse with the use of violence or with the threat of its application to the victim or to other persons or using the helpless state of the victim -

shall be punishable by imprisonment for a term of three to six years, or participation in a special military operation as part of the Wagner PMC for a term of three to six months.

[MARGADON]

Before society! You don't have to rant here!

[Maxim G]

If you don't like something, leave the comments.

[alexmach]

To whom did they deserve pardon?

Before society and the state. Before who else?

[Maxim G]

Society is victims, friends, relatives, just not indifferent citizens, including, did they forgive?

[alexmach]

including

This is rightly said. The public interest may be different from "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth". I partly agree with you that the solution does come with its own risks and drawbacks. But I also believe that if this is a problem, it will be the least of all the consequences of the war. The time will come and not only these 20 forgiven prisoners will return from the war, but all the hundreds of thousands of those fighting there, who are whole, who are disabled, who are with post-traumatic stress, and who will not return at all .. Against the backdrop of all this, those who were pardoned somehow I don't think they will play any role at all.

I am already silent about what could be there as a result of defeat.

[Rage66]

Have you heard anything about the Motherland, plankton?

[12olegg34]

In front of you ... what is not clear here .... a worthy end of life.

[sadam2]

We live in a legal state.?
The Constitution and the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation are a regulatory document so ...?
The President in each individual case signs a pardon ...
What is the legal justification for Prigozhin to release convicts? Today he was promoted and tomorrow he will get out of control ... to whom to show?
If the constitution is not working, well, say so, let's live by the rules

[ABC-schutze]

"He emphasizes that the guys have fulfilled their contracts in a way that few people can - with honor and dignity."
************************************************** ****************************************
Yes, and the fighters themselves, regardless of their "status" during their stay and participation in hostilities, as part of the Wagner PMC, in the NVO zone. - RESPECT...

[ABC-schutze]

Note that they fought in the most difficult place, in the most difficult period ...

[rocket757]

The first former prisoners who fought in PMC "Wagner" completed their contracts and were pardoned

. The question is ... what will happen to them next ???
It depends on the person himself ... that is, it will be different. That's how it always happened.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: rocket757

The question is ... what will happen to them next ???
It depends on the person himself ... that is, it will be different. That's how it always happened.

The platoon commander told us when they were demobilized

You will return home from the war, you will leave the war. She is from you - never.

It's kind of a drug. Once I tried it, it will remain in my blood for the rest of my life.
I am sure that the vast majority will continue to fight.

I remember, in the first summer after the army, I was at a bus stop. At the "moon rover" bus, the camera, pumped over in the heat, burst (or something else - a strong bang and the dust from the rear wheel went). The people shuddered, and I, out of habit, fell on the asphalt. It was kind of awkward... People look like they're crazy...
Now I don’t squat from loud bangs - how many years have passed! But still the whole world is divided into "ours" and "not ours".

[Simple]

Quote: Zoldat_A

I am sure that the vast majority will continue to fight.

Yes, few will be able to take root without new "flights" in civilian life.

[rocket757]

Someone wants to forget, but can't...
Someone has forgotten and does not even want to remember ...
And so, yes, quite a few years have passed, and sometimes you remember ... how it all happened yesterday.
All people are different, if a person decides to follow this path, so be it.

[BigMaxMack]

Approximately 10 were called up under contracts, and 20 people were pardoned. Percentage-wise, it's like winning the lottery.

[maksbazhin]

10 is this as of September - October? They are still not suicide bombers, the chance is quite high.

[Diana Ilyina]

Where do such data on PMCs come from? The musicians are a rather closed office, so all the data is sucked from the finger.

[BigMaxMack]

Data at least on common sense. How many people does it take to close the whole direction that Wagner now oversees? And what about supply, logistics, replenishment of losses? AND? AND? 10k is still too low.

[Diana Ilyina]

You clearly have problems with common sense. There were quite a few people in Wagner even without convicts. And how much they lost, how many volunteers came to them, and how many prisoners, only Prigozhin knows, and maybe a dozen more initiates. And your opinion is just guessing on the coffee grounds.

[former soldier]

If you know who and where Prigozhin collected from, then you would not write such an awkward general figure.

[BigMaxMack]

This is a general estimate, based on different data. Even the mines of the Russian Federation do not know for sure who is fighting where in the Wagner. Next time, where to send comments, so that Mr. bs would approve it for publication?

[Edik]

Quote from BigMaxMack

Approximately 10 were called up under contracts, and 20 people were pardoned. Percentage-wise, it's like winning the lottery.

Quote from BigMaxMack

Approximately 10 were called up under contracts, and 20 people were pardoned. Percentage-wise, it's like winning the lottery.

War is a lottery, to live or not to live .. And their chances were the same as those of any of Wagner! I would not count the percentage of survivors, since the exact data is not known. It would be nice if they cleaned up their biography for further assimilation with society! Most likely, many of them will return back. To Wagner. Thank you guys!

[skeptick2]

Quote: Edik

And they had the same chances as any of Wagner!

Sure? Are you that well aware of what's going on in the music platoon? In a division completely closed from prying eyes and ears?
And I'll put forward my version. Their chances of survival were minimal. And they drove them into the frontal in the forefront, like a penalty box in the Second World War. They, in fact, were recruited by zones for this. Try to refute my version.
As for the debt to society ... It would be better if they paid this debt, awarded to them by this very society, in those places that they deserved by their crimes against society.
And whether relatives and friends of the people whom these convicts killed or raped will agree to clean up the biography of them is a moot point.

[Edik]

Quote from: skeptick2

Sure? Are you that well aware of what's going on in the music platoon? In a division completely closed from prying eyes and ears?

Yes, I served with them, and you?

Quote from: skeptick2

And I'll put forward my version. Their chances of survival were minimal. And they drove them into the frontal in the forefront, like a penalty box in the Second World War. They, in fact, were recruited by zones for this. Try to refute my version.

Attack aircraft are attack aircraft for that, to go in the forefront of the attack. They are not divided with ordinary Wagner attack aircraft into "bad and good." So they have the same chances with all fighters.

[skeptick2]

Quote: Edik

Yes, I served with them, and you?

And I traveled with Prigozhin through the zones and selected them for this case. However, I cannot prove this fact. Please take my word for it.

[Edik]

Quote from: skeptick2

And I traveled with Prigozhin through the zones and selected them for this case. However, I cannot prove this fact. Please take my word for it.

This of course gives you the right to put forward your own versions.

[antiaircrafter]

If only they didn’t go back to the crooks.
Now the Motherland must take care of them - give them work, housing, maybe even give them a wife.

[Nexcom]

yes, now it will be crooks who have tasted blood and gained combat experience, if anything .....

[Edik]

Quote: antiaircrafter

If only they didn’t go back to the crooks.
Now the Motherland must take care of them - give them work, housing, maybe even give them a wife.

Which one of us is a saint? They were only condemned, but we were lucky.

[Bolt cutter]

to whom to give a wife.

From stock ?

[Comrade I]

Same from prison. Also for pardon. Married a volunteer convict - get a pardon.

[vlad2000]

what kind of crooks? these are now murderers up to their elbows in blood .. and if someone hopes that they will return white fluffy starting a new life ......... believe in fairy tales .... in peacetime 70% of those who sat in a new way on because it’s almost impossible for a convict to get a job in society if he’s not an IT specialist or some former businessman. “forgot how the boys conscripts from the Chechen toiled? no one wanted to take such people. so they weren’t prisoners. so expect a surge of violence in the cities when at least a third of them return. prisoners are not military men by vocation that they are ready for army discipline and service to pull.

[Rustic]

convicts are not military men by vocation, that they are ready to army discipline and pull the service strap.

these are the military who are on state support and for a big salary and a free apartment, wiped their pants all their lives without doing anything. And when the time came to fight, did they send everything to Kazakhstan? Warriors are squishy. If not for these ssykuny, then no convicts would be needed in freedom. So all these claims for convicts must be presented to the sycophant warriors. And let these ssykuns live out for the Zekms, after they pay off for all the money that they spent on them, even if they work at the logging site, but rather by the authorities.

[voyaka uh]

"If only they didn't go back to crooks" ///
---
Crooks, thieves, drug addicts were not taken to Wagner and are not being taken.
Only with heavy articles:
armed robberies, murders, violence.

[Rosemary]

Quote: voyaka uh

"If only they didn't go back to crooks" ///
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Crooks, thieves, drug addicts were not taken to Wagner and are not being taken.
Only with heavy articles:
armed robberies, murders, violence.

Ouch! And what should convicted crooks, thieves and drug addicts do now if they want to get into Wagner PMC? Is it really necessary to kill someone in the zone, and then they will be taken to the Wagner PMC?

[Sergej1972]

Those who sat down for rape are also not taken.

[Rosemary]

Quote: Sergej1972

Those who sat down for rape are also not taken.

And for the rape followed by the murder of the victim in order to conceal the crime, they take it?

[Michael]

It was immediately assumed that the motivation of the prisoners would be on top. Now it will rise a little more.

[Lech from Android.]

Quote: Michael

It was immediately assumed that the motivation of the prisoners would be on top. Now it will rise a little more.

A lot of them die... but they die heroically... to be honest, I used to doubt that anything would come of Prigogine's idea... as I see it, I was mistaken... these people are not cowards and go into battle looking death in the eye.

[filibuster]

The idea is as stupid as possible, the results are visible at the front, for ten months the "forester's huts" have been stormed. The army should have a single command with a single headquarters, a vertical structure. All these individual PMCs, Kadyrovtsy, militias, people's militias are a dispersion of forces, the only explanation for all this is that Putin simply does not want to strengthen the army generals, he may be afraid that the military may subsequently carry out a military coup.

[Dart2027]

Quote from: filibuster

ten months stormed "forester's hut".

so show me how.

[Egorovich]

Honor and praise to you MEN!!! You deserve it.

[Nikolay310]

and the mobilized turner Vanya will be released in six months??? or does he not have such merits to the state and society as the structure that the giant Soledar and Artyomovsk have been storming for half a year ??? I want to remind you that ordinary soldiers and the people's militia of the DPR liberated the much larger Mariupol much faster ... participants in those assaults already demobilized??? or those who drove radishes, kalyns and volyns into the dungeons and took them prisoner did not deserve it ???

in order not to write about it anymore, I will sum up MY brief summary: if you are a murderer, rapist, etc., you can go to Wagner, serve six months and you no longer owe either Wagner or the state ...


if you are a simple law-abiding person who fell under mobilization, then you will fight until the end of the NWO ... for this is your duty to the Motherland ...

and now the attention is the question, but is it not up to the fig of debts to the Motherland for an ordinary person compared to those who have broken the law ... there are fewer questions for Wagner, but the state once again shows that he is simply against people from a high bell tower .. .

as far as I remember, citizens who broke the law in a country that did not produce anything except galoshes, first fell into penal companies, and then, by atonement, moved to personnel units ...

and yes, when the state lowers its soldiers in this way compared to PMCs, it becomes clear why the soldiers, to put it mildly, are in no hurry to fight for this state, and the "professionals" are also five hundred

[Edik]

Quote: Nikolay310

and the mobilized turner Vanya will be released in six months??? or does he not have such merits to the state and society as the structure that the giant Soledar and Artyomovsk have been storming for half a year ??? I want to remind you that ordinary soldiers and the people's militia of the DPR liberated the much larger Mariupol much faster ... participants in those assaults already demobilized???

This was before mobilization, if the contract was short-term, then yes!

Quote: Nikolay310

and now the attention is the question, but is it not up to the fig of debts to the Motherland for an ordinary person compared to those who have broken the law ... there are fewer questions for Wagner, but the state once again shows that he is simply against people from a high bell tower .. .

You ask such tricky questions Now take an interest for yourself on the Internet, but how many professional military men terminated the contract after the start of the NWO? And who owes whom after that?

[Kuroneko]

Quote from BigMaxMack

Approximately 10 were called up under contracts, and 20 people were pardoned. Percentage-wise, it's like winning the lottery.

You write nonsense.
It was the same first batch. And at first, few agreed to Wagner's conditions.

[Cheshire]

Quote: Kuroneko

You write nonsense.
This was the first batch. And at first, few agreed to Wagner's conditions.

You don't explain anything to him. When "everything is gone, the plaster is removed, the client leaves!" is a diagnosis.

[glock-17]

Atone for guilt before the motherland. Now you can be free with a clear conscience.

[Comrade I]

It's genetics. This is what you have in your body. A combination of hormones, brain convolutions and everything else. Go forward, do not be afraid of the enemy, look into his eyes and do not look away. Those who look away - maybe they are great computer scientists, great artists or doctors. And these are warriors. They were born warriors and saw that they were warriors

This is generally what. About what?
"Beautiful" rescuers, rescuers or firefighters, where do they look when they risk the lives of others to save? Or do you have to be a criminal, maiming or killing people in gangs?
And who are the others in the eyes of this Mr., sheep?

[AdAstra]

Get used to it, these are the new nobles. """

[Maxim G]

Judging by the comments - both the serfs have already been noted, and the courtyards.

[kill the fascist]

Deserved. It is good that Prigozhin and PMC offer the possibility of further cooperation. And then, as they say: everyone is the blacksmith of his own happiness.

[Nikolay310]

deserved??? and those who pull on themselves for 10 months without rotation did not deserve it ??? and the mobilized Donetsk students and not only did not deserve it??? and those who were mobilized instead of the valiant five hundredth "professionals" did not deserve it ???

an excellent approach, killers, rapists and others for half a year and go out, but let the mobilized (WHICH ARE NOT GUILTY OF ANYTHING before the state or before society) let them pull until someone plays enough soldiers ??? ingeniously

[Simple]

They were written off the current criminal record. Only and everything.
As I understand.
So I would not envy their future essence, and a small number of people will have a desire to be in their place after the end of the contract.

[Sergej1972]

Donetsk students are demobilized. Convicted for rape in PMC "Wagner" do not take.

[Mavrikiy]

After the pardon, they have the opportunity to get back to the Wagner PMC already as ordinary employees and continue to perform other tasks.

I think a lot of people will take advantage of this...

[BigMaxMack]

Quote: maksbazhin

They are still not suicide bombers, the chance is quite high.

and who are they sorry then? Here you suppose a military man with experience. Would you like him to lead you? Or was he sitting with you in an armored personnel carrier, tank, artillery? That's the same. Automatic in hand and forward, that's their fate, and pardon is a bonus, who will live ..

[AdAstra]

Oh, we will cry later from these "pardoned".

[Luka Nord]

Quote from AdAstra

Oh, we will cry later from these "pardoned".

Well, I think they will be under special control, a little bit back to the zone, although I feel most of them will go to the contract again
the same "Wagnerites" will look after them, and if something goes wrong they will put them on the right path and they have such powers, I'm sure of it. With such a calculation, the authorities gave them the go-ahead to recruit fighters in PMCs!

[vlad2000]

ha))) it’s like Wagner will be brought into a terrorist organization around the world. When it almost entirely consists of convicts criminals who have become murderers indiscriminately)))

[BigMaxMack]

Quote: Diana Ilyina

You clearly have problems with common sense. There were quite a few people in Wagner even without convicts. And how much they lost, how many volunteers came to them, and how many prisoners, only Prigozhin knows, and maybe a dozen more initiates. And your opinion is just guessing on the coffee grounds.

At least I have figures, but for now you only have gossip ..

[Maxim G]

Quote: Lech from Android.

50 years old man 30 years in the zone ... so what?

Quote: Lech from Android.

Yes, at least in front of me ... some people get on the bunk because of their stupidity ... some because of drunkenness, some young stupidity.
Any of us can end up on the bunk by pure chance ... for example, he had a fight with a neighbor because of his mistress and you are in the zone ... or you pushed the boor and he took it and bang his head on the curb ... again the zone.

Can't you see the inconsistencies?

[vlad2000]

by chance for 30 years? I beg you. don’t write nonsense. and Stalin and Beria Toko please don’t drag them with 25 without the right to correspond for a joke or a newspaper, really in the toilet))

[Maxim G]

Don't write nonsense.
By chance - are these my words?

[Lech from Android.]

Quote: vlad2000

by chance for 30 years? I beg you. don’t write nonsense. and Stalin and Beria Toko please don’t drag them with 25 without the right to correspond for a joke or a newspaper, really in the toilet))

These are your fantasies.

[Nikolay310]

and those mobilized in six months will be released home??? or are they not such worthy people as those who "served in Wagner" ???

in general, a strange approach, which means ordinary people should pull the strap until the end of their own war, and those convicted under grave articles for six months and set free with a clear conscience ... well done, in a word ...

P.S. and yes, I have no questions about the prisoners, but Putin's state, as always, is "on top"

[vitvit123]

What are you talking about ending yours?..
The ending of svo for mobs and contractors in your context does not mean anything! Mobiki will perform their duties until the law on demobilization comes out, and not until the end of theirs!

[Rustic]

and those mobilized in six months will be released home??? or are they not such worthy people as those who "served in Wagner" ???

And what about Wagner? Wagner is voluntary. And the mobilized are pulling the strap for those ssykuns of the military, who at first wiped their pants for good money and mortgages, and when the time came to fight, they were washed away to Kazakhstan. And no one forbade them to do this, they didn’t ask anything from these cowards and traitors. These same even after their return and in the service will be restored. And again they will continue to wipe their pants, and no one will tell them anything.

[evgen1221]

The use of zk in this way is of course beneficial to the country. But the public has questions - with what articles and terms can they sign a contract? What measures of society's insurance against this contingent are there in case this person goes into crime again after he is done? (Even so, war and the psyche change and specific convicts acquire skills and connections to go out to buy weapons - make the same cache and then pick it up calmly). And in general, IMHO, a period of six months is not enough, if you are already releasing, then do a contract before the end of the war, and not for six months for prisoners. This is normal for those with no criminal record for half a year, but for this contingent it should be for the entire term of the conflict.

[Luka Nord]

It's genetics. This is what you have in your body.

There is still such a thing as the call of blood..
I already wrote something like that .. In the early 2000s, back on May 9, one liberated snarky journalist interviewed a WWII veteran ..
"So you fought and took Berlin, and the current generation will be able, just like you, your generation, to fight for the country overcoming hardships and losses ..?"
The veteran thought for a minute and then clearly answered CAN! Something must work in their head (click) and in their soul, like ours .. This whole feeling is difficult to explain ..
So all this in PMCs is quite possible, he was a thief, a hooligan, and became a warrior and a ptriot, although there is of course% who have neither Motherland nor honor but one animal instinct (these are dangerous)

[Nikolay310]

Quote from Luka Nord

So all this is quite possible in PMCs, he was a thief, a hooligan, and became a warrior and a ptriot

and this is the reason to let him go in six months?? apparently, a mobilized soldier who also got into the Airborne Forces (I'm not talking about the Donetsk and Luhansk infantry, which pulled out no less than the Wagnerites, but there is no one to promote them) cannot become a warrior and a patriot, and therefore must fight much longer than yesterday's killer and thief??? constructively, of course

besides the fact that for all those who have completed the contract they are presented with a medal "for courage"? ... it seemed to me that in order to get "for courage" you need to do something more than go to jail, and then sign a contract with Wagner ... although against the background of awarding the head from the TV with the Order of Courage, there is nothing strange here ... only on the other hand, because of such throwing awards, such honored men as Otrakovsky remove their DESERVED medals ...

[vlad2000]

a thief-hooligan?))) if just a hooligan, then some became quite good fighters under certain conditions. True, the commanders drank a lot of blood. But about the thief and other prisoners, the history of the Russian and Soviet army has long answered you. they weren’t called to serve as sauce. By the way, they were invited to participate in the KGB police and other structures. The only time during the Second World War they were offered to participate. And according to statistics, 90% of the zones went political and former military and not thieves and robbers. submachine gunners and then they were slaughtered if they got into the zone again. and you are arguing about what noble criminals are now. why did they become like that? I think the same prisoners sing songs to them.

[Sergej1972]

Political were not sent to penal companies.

[Nikolay310]

as far as I remember, the damned Bolsheviks also allowed the guilty to atone with blood. through penal companies. only now, having passed the penal companies, the soldier did not demobilize, but transferred to the personnel department and continued to fight. for that state fought for the Victory with specific goals and objectives.

citizens committed crimes against the state and society, and not against Prigogine. therefore they must atone before society. I think that the Soviet approach was much more correct. and Putin’s Russian Federation again divides people into two classes ... if the Wagnerites are already considered super-stormtroopers, then let the prisoners spend the first six months there, and then, if they wish, they either renew the contract or join the army ... otherwise it’s simply unfair to hundreds of thousands of mobilized, who are not guilty of anything before the state

[decimalegio]

""""""" Those who look away, perhaps they are great computer scientists, great artists or doctors. And these are warriors. They were born warriors and saw that they were warriors."""""" Warriors are important, but in On my scale of values, I prefer a society full of great doctors, great computer scientists and great artists. It is no coincidence that nothing remains of Sparta. A society of warriors cannot continue.

[decimalegio]

The colleague who put a minus clearly prefers to be treated by a brave warrior, and not by a knowledgeable doctor. Dear colleague, I hope that the IT specialist who has to repair your PC will repair it with the help of AK 47.

[Rustic]

The colleague who put a minus clearly prefers to be treated by a brave warrior, and not by a knowledgeable doctor.

The soldiers will have to go to Kazakhstan for treatment. For all the brave mortgage army now lives there. And volunteers and mobilized doctors and all sorts of repairmen are fighting in their place.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Decimalegio

It is no coincidence that nothing remains of Sparta.

Well, the fact that the whole of Greece was subjugated by the military power of Rome is a coincidence ...

[nepunamemuk]

not only subjugated, but also the Greeks ended their lives in Rome as slaves ...

[dump22]

Well, the fact that the whole of Greece was subjugated by the military power of Rome is a coincidence ...

Not quite.
It seemed to the Greeks after the era of the great empire of Macedonia that they were the greatest warriors.
When the empire collapsed, the Greeks first began to actively fight among themselves.
The Macedonians turned out to be the strongest and began to control almost all of Greece.
And then the Greeks were just unlucky, they bet on the wrong one and made an alliance with Hanibal.

The result is clear.
The Macedonian king was overthrown, Macedonia was declared "free" and divided into 4 republics dependent on Rome.

[decimalegio]

It does not seem to me that the territorial conquests of the Roman Empire are a lasting legacy. The real legacy is Latin culture, literature, architecture, Roman law, and so on. The same can be said about the Russian Empire. Many territorial acquisitions were lost. But great Russian literature will remain forever.

[filibuster]

The naivete of commentators is striking, no one has been amnestied, amnesty is a strict legal procedure that requires the president's signature. There is some kind of legal vacuum here.

[Sergej1972]

This is not about amnesty, but about pardon. Pardon is carried out by decree of the President on an individual basis. Amnesty is carried out by the State Duma, the law on it is signed by the President, like any other law. And the amnesty does not apply to individuals, but to entire categories of convicts. Only a few, sometimes dozens of people, get pardoned. Thousands, sometimes tens of thousands, are under amnesty.

[megadeth]

Prigozhin organized "a kind of modern penal battalion", well, why not in the current situation, the main thing is that it would be effective. PMCs are one of the most combat-ready units of the NVO, since they send batches of dill ghouls to hell, then "some modern penal battalion" is working. From the beginning it is necessary to bring the NWO to our Victory, and then we will talk about ethics, etc.

[rotkiv04]

Honor and respect to Prigozhin and PMC Wagner, he is a man of his word

[Mazunga]

Yevgeny Viktorovich needs to go to power, he definitely has all the chances for this and the support of the same governor is quite enough, and there it’s higher

[Glagol1]

It's not an easy story, but it's definitely not forbidden. In difficult times, difficult decisions are possible. It is important to enable those who have redeemed to return to normal life. Well, for those who decide to return to Wagner after a vacation, this right should be 100% respected. Most likely, the Russian Federation without Wagner will not be able to resolve some sensitive and important issues, at least in the foreseeable future. We have such "international partners" that this is inevitable. Maybe someone doesn’t really like it, but ... you have to. A strong Wagner PMC is definitely not a problem for the Russian Federation, but for our "partners" it is a problem and a headache. And the more it hurts them, the better for all of us.

[Jsem_CZEKO68]

Ano.., častokrát jsou tito lidé z věznic statečnější az lepším charakterem, než mnoho zbabělých občanů..

[Jsem_CZEKO68]

Yes.. often these people from prisons are braver and with better character than many cowardly citizens..

[dump22]

You don't even know how right you are!
We have very brave people in prisons in Russia now.

[UAZ 452]

Yes - they will cut anyone, without a shadow of fear and doubt.

[decimalegio]

I am sure that every father dreams of his son graduating from the Butyrka prison. Maybe after dodging several mops in the wrong place.

[iury.vorgul]

Unfortunately, I can't insert a link, but those who wish can read the article "Punishment and Atonement" dated January 5, 01 on the Free Press website.

[nepunamemuk]

Unfortunately, I can't insert a link, but those who wish can read the article "Punishment and Atonement" dated January 5, 01 on the Free Press website.

please
https://svpressa.ru/society/article/357788/

[DMFalke]

What a joy. The prisoners received a pardon for killing the "right" people - who will be shown.
We have non-socialized criminals with:
1 - possible post-traumatic consequences
2 - the ability to handle weapons and explosives
3 - removed fear of killing a person
4 - money that quickly ends, but in a citizen with a criminal record there will be no such money

Fortunately, if 70% return to life normally, 25% will remain in service. What about 5%? They will create an organized criminal group and will nightmare the civilian population or they will work alone. Hurray, comrades, a reason to jump. For on this site in recent years they jump more often than our neighbors in 2014.

[dump22]

Fortunately, if 70% is normal to return to life

https://pravo.ru/news/240437/

... the number of recidivism remains traditionally high: 37,6% of convicts have unexpunged and outstanding convictions (212). Earlier, the head of the Ministry of Justice, Konstantin Chuichenko, announced relapses at the level of 591%...

[dump22]

got the opportunity to leave the NWO zone

To rob or kill someone again, to be convicted again, to get into the zone again, to enlist in Wagner again, and so on in a circle ...

[UAZ 452]

Will those mobilized be released in six months?

[opposite28]

It's genetics. This is what you have in your body. A combination of hormones, brain convolutions and everything else. Go forward, do not be afraid of the enemy, look into his eyes and do not look away. Those who look away - maybe they are great computer scientists, great artists or doctors. And these are warriors. They were born warriors and saw that they were warriors

I hope that with persons from places of deprivation of liberty who completed the contract with PMC Wagner, a conversation was held by representatives of the Security Council of PMC Wagner on the topic of moral and ethical behavior in society after gaining knowledge, skills and skills of an applied combat nature when fulfilling the terms of the contract with PMCs in the NVO zone .

[dementor873]

There are only 20 people in the first group. And they carry out assault operations at the level of companies and regiments, even if they are opposed by the armored personnel carriers of the Ukrainians. So consider what kind of survival rate the fighters have there. People who have spent half a year in such a hell are clearly psychologically stable, follow orders and carry them out exactly, have courage and the will to win. Such people in civilian life will be more sane than 95% of people in case of any domestic conflicts.

[Canna Steinfeldgrubber]

I have a couple of related questions here:
1. Where did Prigozhin get the right to issue a pardon? If he does not have this right, then were the survivors pardoned?
2. As a person with a crust of a sociologist, I can say that these people, who ended up in the ranks of ordinary citizens after the zone and this meat grinder, are just a bomb.
No one was engaged in their resocialization, no one is engaged in their adaptation. No psychiatrist works with them. They are just released to the masses.
What are these people good at? Well, if they go back to work in PMCs.