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French President promised to transfer AMX-10RC light wheeled tanks to Ukraine

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French President promised to transfer AMX-10RC light wheeled tanks to Ukraine

France is going to supply Ukraine with AMX-10RC heavy armored vehicles, which are also called light wheeled tanks. It is reported by AFP, citing a source in the administration of the French President.


The decision to transfer light wheeled tanks to Ukraine was announced by French President Emmanuel Macron in a recent telephone conversation with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. As reported in the Elysee Palace, Paris agrees to increase military assistance to Ukraine by transferring light tanks AMX-10 RC to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Recall that the AMX-10RC is a light wheeled tank or heavy armored car of French production. It was developed by Satory Military Vehicles on the special order of the French army as an armored reconnaissance vehicle, capable of also engaging in combat with enemy armored vehicles.

Armored vehicles of this type were produced from 1976 to 1994. Currently, the AMX-10RC is still in service with the French army. Also, these armored vehicles are in service with the armies of Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Qatar, Indonesia, the United Arab Emirates, Singapore and Cameroon. Now Ukraine can also be included in this list.

It should be noted that since the beginning of the special military operation, France has been providing great military assistance to Ukraine. So, Ukraine was supplied with self-propelled artillery mounts, anti-aircraft guns, howitzers, a large amount of ammunition and equipment. There are examples of the participation of French mercenaries in hostilities as part of the armed forces of Ukraine.
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  1. Anachoret
    Anachoret 4 January 2023 20: 41
    -40
    And soon they will give away all the training French three-wheeled pedal-powered tanks))
    Stupidly neighing))
    1. Osiris
      Osiris 4 January 2023 20: 49
      +46
      It’s not worth it to laugh stupidly, as long as the weapons that NATO countries supply to Ukraine are operating and bring death to our guys and civilians in the DPR and LPR, they need to be destroyed on the way to the front line ...
    2. AdAstra
      AdAstra 4 January 2023 21: 56
      +3
      This "stupidly neighing" is not a bad gun, by the way.
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 4 January 2023 22: 33
        +2
        Quote from AdAstra
        This "stupidly neighing" is not a bad gun, by the way.

        Se sa. This is true. But it's not about the gun, but about the quantity ("how much will it be in grams?") There are 248 of them in France, so how many will fall to Ukraine? Crap, of course (Luminium armor, a dead diesel engine, a living machine, but not a tank. It is high in the mountains of France that you can anneal it, but really .... clowns.), but it can spoil your health. Shells, opt-electronic filling and other bells and whistles .... Macron can drop everything, instead of a "part". This is the least pleasant thing. request
        1. AdAstra
          AdAstra 4 January 2023 23: 20
          0
          If, however, one can "pick open" something with us and ours will die, he has not come to Russia in vain.
        2. karabas-barabas
          karabas-barabas 5 January 2023 02: 23
          +3
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          Crap of course

          Nothing crap!)) 105mm NATO is a very dangerous gun for the RF Armed Forces, from infantry to tanks, a priori, because of the gigantic reserves and various, up to highly effective modern ammunition for them. The SLA of this car is also excellent, especially at night. The Armed Forces of Ukraine still do not have vehicles with guns of NATO systems from 25mm to 120mm, with a programmable charge. I suppose they are still afraid to give it, since artillery is far away, it’s hard to trophy it, and BMP and MBT are on the front. I believe that not only the Russian Federation, but especially the PRC would like to get, if not the most modern, but still relevant advanced SLA and other elements from the cannon to the BC, they are afraid of this in the West. The appearance of such crap will cause a lot of problems, you can’t hide in trenches, in dugouts, and I have no doubt that such a BC of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be ordered immediately. This machine is also well-tested in battles, there is vast experience in tactics of use. The Armed Forces of Ukraine have already received the first 105mm systems, this is the T-55M from Slovakia, which everyone has forgotten, since apparently they have not yet been used, but Israeli BCs are also coming to these T-55Ms and quite a few. Now it is already a fully NATO current machine, and this is a certain next step in the supply of weapons.
          1. Negro
            Negro 5 January 2023 02: 41
            0
            Quote: karabas-barabas
            Nothing crap!)) 105mm NATO is a very dangerous gun for the RF Armed Forces, from infantry to tanks a priori, due to gigantic reserves and various, up to highly effective modern ammunition for them

            You do not confuse with L7? The Frenchman doesn’t have it, it’s simpler.
            Quote: karabas-barabas
            Now it is already a fully NATO current machine, and this is a certain next step in the supply of weapons.

            Not yet. But the trend is quite specific - it's rather stupid to supply Patriots with three million missiles, and be greedy with armored vehicles.
            1. karabas-barabas
              karabas-barabas 7 January 2023 17: 49
              0
              Quote: Negro
              You do not confuse with L7? The Frenchman doesn’t have it, it’s simpler.

              This is the first version of the gun. In the latest version, the AMX RC was equipped with a 105mm compatible with all 105mm NATO ammo for tanks. 105-mm-L/48 BK-MECA-L, because the first version could only fire French shells. This gun is screwed in there just to destroy tanks, all types of shells from Leo1 go to it.
          2. svp67
            svp67 5 January 2023 03: 49
            +1
            Quote: karabas-barabas
            The Armed Forces of Ukraine still do not have vehicles with guns of NATO systems from 25mm to 120mm, with a programmable charge.

            Yes, ZSU "Cheetah", here you can clearly see their work
            1. karabas-barabas
              karabas-barabas 7 January 2023 17: 26
              0
              Of course, Cheetah. But they are used purely in the form of air defense, they do not risk working with them in positions. Remember the recent night attack on Kyiv, where 4-5 babakhs were visible in the sky? This is the work of the Cheetahs. In Crimea, dill drones were apparently shot down with zushki, tracers, and it was clear how the queues were leaving for the sky. In addition, unlike other calibers on the Cheetah, the Swiss Oerlikon 35mm, with expensive ammo, has few reserves and Switzerland does not give the go-ahead for their supply, the production of the APU. With 25mm Bushmasters, up to 120mm, there will be no such problems, besides, Bradleys should work on the front end and their 25mm has both sub-caliber against armor, and, which is especially dangerous, programmable 25mm shells for working in hidden positions. Similarly, AMX have 105mm guns compatible with all 105mm NATO BCs. That is, now these weapons will appear at the front directly, which was not the case before. Until now, in my opinion, 20mm is the largest NATO caliber on the front line, and I’m not sure, mainly KPVT and 2A42 and their counterparts on both sides.
      2. svp67
        svp67 5 January 2023 03: 47
        -1
        Quote from AdAstra
        This "stupidly neighing" is not a bad gun, by the way.

        Exactly the same as on the T-55s transferred by Slovenia, but they are not released to the front line
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 5 January 2023 09: 31
          0
          No.
          The Frenchman has a French cannon, and with shells 105 × 617


          The M55S has the usual L7 with the classic NATO 105x527.

          About not allowed. Tanks in the 47 mechanized assault brigade. And she's not at the front right now. As well as, for example, the 93rd brigade, which in December left the front for rotation (replaced the 28th mechanized brigade from the Kherson direction 46 airmobile). For example, Slovenian infantry fighting vehicles from the 28th brigade recently lit up.


          The 47th mechanized brigade will go either to rotation (I doubt it is expensive to grind it down in Verdun 22-23) or to repel the upcoming offensive (probably as a powerful reserve they were well pumped up with equipment) or to the UAF’s upcoming offensive.
          1. karabas-barabas
            karabas-barabas 7 January 2023 17: 46
            0
            Quote: donavi49
            The Frenchman has a French cannon, and with shells 105 × 617

            This is the first version of the gun. In the latest version, the AMX RC was equipped with a 105mm compatible with all 105mm NATO ammo for tanks. 105-mm-L/48 BK-MECA-L, because the first version could only fire French shells. This gun is screwed in there just to destroy tanks, all types of shells from Leo1 go to it. During the modernization of the AMX 10 RC, the circular armor was also increased to 23mm from 300m, the forehead is correspondingly stronger, I believe it cannot be penetrated with 2A42 or 2A72. I have a suspicion that the T-55M with L7 push is used for training crews of this caliber in general, in order to later hit the same Leo1, of which there are a lot of scraped around the world if you want.
    3. opuonmed
      opuonmed 4 January 2023 22: 02
      -1
      In 2022-23, Macron decided to send French howitzers and tanks to the war with Russia.
    4. opuonmed
      opuonmed 4 January 2023 23: 22
      -1
      The United States is considering the possibility of providing Ukraine with Bradley infantry fighting vehicles
      1. Prisoner
        Prisoner 5 January 2023 00: 47
        -2
        Themselves do not, why not throw Svidomo? Not everyone will unfasten grandmas for this.
    5. VSO-396
      VSO-396 5 January 2023 05: 55
      +1
      Quote: Anchorite
      And soon they will give away all the training French three-wheeled pedal-powered tanks))
      Stupidly neighing))

      Damn, I thought that there were no such anchorites on this site anymore - everyone went to the cart, but no.
  2. Crimean partisan 1974
    Crimean partisan 1974 4 January 2023 20: 41
    -13
    along the way, due to the energy crisis in herope, they decided to dispose of the rubbish in vnau .... wonderful ... cornets are waiting
    1. poquello
      poquello 4 January 2023 20: 44
      0
      Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
      along the way, due to the energy crisis in herope, they decided to dispose of the rubbish in vnau .... wonderful ... cornets are waiting

      from fear)))) ours won what kind of thing they blocked
      1. Mihail0221
        Mihail0221 4 January 2023 21: 03
        +4
        from fear)))) ours won what kind of thing they blocked

        Great news. I just read it in Russian Spring. good
      2. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 4 January 2023 22: 10
        +5
        The original glider at the pifton bomb, under the belly.
        1. Fisherman
          Fisherman 4 January 2023 22: 24
          +7
          the Serbs already attached this to the FAB-10 500 years ago and successfully tested it .... and our military-industrial complex has only now blinded the model .... I am ashamed that the "budget masters" (sawing officials) allowed such a criminal jamb and we lost a lot attack aircraft and missiles where it was possible for us to get by without bloodshed with FABs more effectively and accurately ....
          And as for the French car - the gun is excellent there, but the armor is aluminum bulletproof, slapped with cluster munitions over the areas and only pull out blind people from this equipment ... although the equipment will also tryndets ... it’s against the Bedouins without DShK still all right , but against a normal army - grave squalor.
      3. AlexWar
        AlexWar 4 January 2023 23: 22
        -1
        https://raigap.livejournal.com/570890.html
        They have been doing it since 2009, and things are still there.
        JSC "558 Aviation Plant" at the same international salon MAKS-2009 presented a carrier of autonomous weapons "Module-A" similar in purpose for the free-falling bomb OFAB-250.
        Well, our Ministry of Defense twitched then and ordered, then where are all these bombs or add-ons for them?
      4. AlexWar
        AlexWar 4 January 2023 23: 31
        -2
        https://dzen.ru/a/Yy09xkgcElBS4M_L
        Conclusion: the Defense Ministry has shown negligence, as a result of which we are losing Fighters worth 1 billion rubles each (Su-30SM and Su-34) and the priceless lives of pilots, several of whom are now in captivity and are Zelensky's trump card.
        I would like to see where they are, because they write that development was carried out back in 2003.
        1. Genry
          Genry 5 January 2023 00: 00
          +1
          Quote from Alexwar
          After all, they write the development was carried out back in 2003.

          What is being discussed now is just the possibility of using the deposits of the old "cast iron" in a new quality of a planning bomb. But Russia has planners without any cheating with wings.
          They even wrote on VO ...

          https://topwar.ru/179664-novye-upravljaemye-bomby-i-novye-vozmozhnosti-dlja-vks.html

          https://topwar.ru/193917-upravljaemaja-aviacionnaja-bomba-upab-1500b-je.html
      5. dmi.pris1
        dmi.pris1 5 January 2023 06: 33
        +1
        This drawing raised the characteristics of this bomb? Charge power, range?
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 4 January 2023 20: 45
      +3
      There is a reverse crisis - there is nowhere to pump gas and oil, everything is blocked by traffic jams. The price of oil is consistently less than 80, and the gas companies have broken through 700 in Europe.

      Now there will be a week of frosts (and those are the most severe in Russia, but in Europe it will freeze a bit). And then again 0 +10 all January.
      1. poquello
        poquello 4 January 2023 20: 49
        +1
        Quote: donavi49
        There is a reverse crisis - there is nowhere to pump gas and oil, everything is blocked by traffic jams. Oil price consistently less than 80, and gaziki hit 700 in Europe.

        thrash again? $83,96
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 4 January 2023 20: 58
          +3
          https://ru.investing.com
          https://www.banki.ru/quotes/brent/

          78,56

          Well, even your level is not close to what was kept from February to September (100+).
          1. poquello
            poquello 4 January 2023 21: 02
            +3
            Quote: donavi49
            https://ru.investing.com
            https://www.banki.ru/quotes/brent/

            78,56

            Are you speculating on the stock exchange? this is an hour course
            1. karabas-barabas
              karabas-barabas 5 January 2023 01: 24
              +3
              Russian oil URALS currently costs 58,32 US-Dollar. Brent price 73-78.
        2. Brturin
          Brturin 4 January 2023 21: 13
          +1
          the price is the price, the question is why they are full - maybe the problem is in the absence of a consumer - the same gas, even if it has fallen in price, is it so attractive .. and why would it be if everything is completely frightened by a recession - Financial Times - Great Britain in 2023 expects the most severe recession in the G7 . Die Welt. Germany's GDP will shrink in 2023 .... forecasts are not grateful, but something is wrong in the EU kingdom
          1. Negro
            Negro 5 January 2023 02: 16
            0
            Quote: BrTurin
            but something is wrong in the EU kingdom

            Naturally. Everyone expects a hangover from COVID-XNUMX. Still, stopping the economy for more than a year, plus printing money, could not but lead to understandable consequences.

            But this is a matter of life, you see.
      2. alexoff
        alexoff 4 January 2023 20: 54
        -1
        Well, if they uploaded full storages, then you can hire European specialists with quadrocopters and vogs to check if everything is well protected there
      3. Mihail0221
        Mihail0221 4 January 2023 21: 07
        -2
        Now there will be a week of frosts (and those are the most severe in Russia, but in Europe it will freeze a bit). And then again 0 +10 all January.
        Yes, in the Russian city of Kyiv they promise minus 10 looked now. Yes, it seems that the frost is still standing ... So, dear Ukrainians, stock up on firewood ... laughing oh you need to add by "transformers",
        1. karabas-barabas
          karabas-barabas 5 January 2023 01: 44
          -3
          Quote: Michael0221
          So stock up on firewood, disrespectful Ukrainians ... oh, you need to add on "transformers",

          Are you sure that freezing old people, children, people with illnesses to death will positively affect the victory? The Armed Forces of Ukraine will only make it angrier when loved ones die, this is obvious. And I don’t see the point in expecting that the people will arrange a Maidan with demands to capitulate because of the frost, there are no prerequisites. Another problem is compensation in the future, both for broken transformers and for supply from outside. Now the broken networks are being restored very quickly, thanks to the rapid replacement of the elements of the stations, and generators, who just did not supply, even Azerbaijan. In my opinion, there are many arguments against such tactics, unlike the defeat of logistics, military facilities, except for the minuses, I see no pluses.
          1. Negro
            Negro 5 January 2023 02: 29
            -1
            Quote: karabas-barabas
            Are you sure that freezing old people, children, people with illnesses to death will positively affect the victory?

            No need to dramatize. It is impossible to turn off a large city entirely, with the possible exception of Kharkov, with the available resources. Local outages of networks are unlikely to lead to serious casualties.
            Quote: karabas-barabas
            In my opinion, there are many arguments against such tactics, unlike the defeat of logistics, military facilities, except for the minuses, I see no pluses

            The ability to put pressure on the deep rear is one of the few advantages of the Russian Federation. The Russian Federation does not have so many advantages to refuse something.
            1. karabas-barabas
              karabas-barabas 7 January 2023 18: 13
              +1
              Quote: Negro
              No need to dramatize.

              So I'm just replying to the comment above. A person considers, as apparently the authorities, strikes on the energy structure to be effective. But what is efficiency and purpose? So far, there have been no frosts of -20 for several weeks, as sometimes happens. But if there were, then the energy consumption would be higher and, taking into account the failures, it would be quite possible to arrange a collapse in cities of millions, freeze thousands of old people and other people in poor health at night. My great-grandmother, without any war in the Irkutsk region in the late 2000s, froze while sitting on an armchair at home, because they forgot to start firewood, she ran out. An old person, even if he keeps a farm, pigs, a garden, goes to the taiga, cannot go looking for firewood at -40 and below, in a snowstorm, and should not. And gas, water supply there, as they have never seen since the moment they were opened, they still don’t see it until now. So I'm asking, what is the purpose of the strikes on the energy system of Ukraine? How does this interfere with the APU? Should this force people in the territory controlled by the Ukrainian authorities to force Zelensky to sign peace? If there was such a goal, then in my opinion, judging by the result, it does not work. There is an opinion that these hundreds of heavy expensive missiles would be more useful in terms of logistics and troop concentrations.
          2. Voronezh
            Voronezh 5 January 2023 03: 49
            -1
            [/ quote] Another problem is compensation in the future, both for broken transformers and supply from outside. [quote]

            Compensation to whom and from whom?
    3. private person
      private person 4 January 2023 20: 49
      +18
      they decided to dispose of the rubbish in vnau .... wonderful ... cornets are waiting

      Aw what rubbish? This armored car is one of the best in its class, about the "Himers" they also wrote here that it is old and does not represent anything, as a result of the day, it does not pass without being mentioned. So with these AMX-10 RC mobility + weapons, as a result, there are quite a few troubles.
      1. Crimean partisan 1974
        Crimean partisan 1974 4 January 2023 20: 58
        -6
        Aw what rubbish?
        ... yes, such that they will bring down not only from the ATGM, but also from the ancient PTRS 14.5 and PTRD .. with which they have already piled a bunch of all kinds of foreign rubbish
      2. Barberry25
        Barberry25 4 January 2023 21: 03
        0
        No one wrote anywhere about Hymars that it was rubbish, but regarding 10 current, then yes, mobile with bulletproof armor and a 105 mm cannon .. the problem is that they don’t really channel against defense in depth
        1. UAZ 452
          UAZ 452 4 January 2023 21: 10
          +3
          And why should they "ditch" against layered defense? Well, if only there are blockheads in the Armed Forces of Ukraine who will send them there, "gnaw through" and "grind". But as a nomadic weapon - they will fit perfectly.
          1. Barberry25
            Barberry25 5 January 2023 11: 13
            -1
            1) i.e. use an expensive wheeled tank as a cart for a cannon? You can just as well use a pickup truck with a mortar, by the way, regarding the claims that tanks were made from closed positions for the T-72,
            2) given the lack of tanks, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will try to use them exactly as tanks in the offensive
        2. Yaroslav Tekkel
          Yaroslav Tekkel 4 January 2023 23: 51
          +4
          Well, no one wrote at all. Before the first use, I read thoughtful analytics that it’s like Hurricanes, only worse, because Uragan has 18 pipes instead of 6 and 240 mm instead of 227 mm (well, the “experts” read reference books of the late 90s, when the Hymars still rockets of the 80s were fired). And also that this is a wildly complex technique and stupid raguli from pig farms will not be able to master it in 10 years. Swimming, we know.
    4. Barberry25
      Barberry25 4 January 2023 21: 01
      0
      it’s more like an attempt to recoup our actions in the "originally French African colonies"
    5. Nesvoy
      Nesvoy 4 January 2023 23: 21
      0
      Sometimes you wonder how old people are that they write such bravado and dull comments? Didn't you watch TV there? Everything is good there with warmth, but the Cornet for this car is redundant and in most cases I observe with our Fagots.
  3. Alien From
    Alien From 4 January 2023 20: 42
    +4
    Well, here is the first sign, the toad-eaters caved in like cheap port Marseille whores in front of the mattress negative
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 4 January 2023 20: 53
      0
      In fact, if this chariot is right (and not confused with the normal AMX-10, which is an armored personnel carrier of the M113 type), then the help is just so-so, very highly specialized. An additional type for supply (all our own, including the second type of 105 mm shells), and it is very unique.

      I don't even know how to use it effectively. There seems to be more or less cross-country ability for a chariot. Well, the SLA / communication is excellent. However, the usual AMX10 - which armored personnel carriers on tracks would go into increasing the combat capabilities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine much more strongly.
      1. Thorvlobnor IV
        Thorvlobnor IV 4 January 2023 21: 13
        +3
        The best use of this chariot is an assault weapon for organizing a breakthrough in an unexpected direction, in an area where there is a developed road network. The SLA is like that of a tank, and the weapon is much more accurate in combat, because. rifled.
      2. cold wind
        cold wind 4 January 2023 21: 39
        -1
        From the series is better than nothing. As nomadic guns can be used, strengthening the group on armored personnel carriers, well, that's it ... the same AMX-30 would have looked better.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 4 January 2023 22: 15
          -1
          AMX-10 - which are also in storage. Good thrust-to-weight ratio, armor at the level of M113, 8 troops, a ramp, a 20 mm cannon for support with a thermal imaging sight. If you wish, you can still screw Milan, probably, it will be just like an infantry fighting vehicle.



          Tracked armored personnel carriers are now more in demand than an exotic tank for the French 105-ku.

          Again, if we talk about tanks. In addition to the conveyor for lifting and modernizing the eastern T-72s, a large pack of Tvarda, which will already arrive in 23, there are trial M55S.



          Further, again, if you directly rest against no modern ones, then you can return to non-modern Leo, and even without Germany, and ship them through all sorts of Belgium-Denmark / private volunteer companies.
          1. Thorvlobnor IV
            Thorvlobnor IV 4 January 2023 22: 41
            -2
            Tracked AMX-10 is not needed. They almost agreed about Bradley, and this is a completely different calico.
            AMX-10RC - great for assault operations: 4 gears forward and 4 reverse, nimble, fast, 4000 machine gun rounds.
          2. Alien From
            Alien From 5 January 2023 10: 40
            -1
            Everything that shoots and kills our people must be destroyed. The rotten pedo-west shows his bestial grin, but before we believed him and looked into his mouth. Ugh! am
      3. Negro
        Negro 5 January 2023 02: 32
        0
        Quote: donavi49
        I don't even know how to use it effectively.

        During the autumn regroupings we saw small groups of light infantry. They will go fine. However, time will tell - something comes, something does not.
        Further, again, if you directly rest against no modern ones, then you can return to the non-modern Leo

        There, like the T-72, they are still very far from over. Now a lot is being done to promote repairs, taking into account the trophies, a shortage of Sovietoids is not expected in the foreseeable future. Abrams or Leo 2 can still be discussed, but AMX30 with Leo 1 - why?
    2. poquello
      poquello 4 January 2023 20: 53
      +5
      Quote: Alien From
      Well, here is the first swallow,

      in what sense is the first? if from the French all sorts of nasty things come from them like peas from a goat, if from modern bm so Finnish and so on burnt on the roads
      1. Alien From
        Alien From 4 January 2023 21: 42
        0
        I mean, this year......) no good can be expected from Western freaks.
    3. Yaroslav Tekkel
      Yaroslav Tekkel 4 January 2023 23: 54
      -1
      Toad-eaters began to deliver nishtyaki earlier than supplying mattresses. They drove Caesars when all the other Westerners were just thinking about self-propelled guns (and the Americans still haven’t given a single Paladin).
  4. private person
    private person 4 January 2023 20: 42
    0
    The frogs went wild, they want to outdo the Americans.
  5. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 4 January 2023 20: 48
    0
    This reptile even knows how to swim. In a nightmare, the authors at VO could not imagine this. 2012.
    1. poquello
      poquello 4 January 2023 20: 56
      +4
      Quote: tralflot1832
      In a nightmare, the authors at VO could not imagine this. 2012

      there is a lot of nonsense here, which in practice turns out to be not quite the same or not at all the same
  6. Fizik13
    Fizik13 4 January 2023 20: 49
    -5
    French President promised to transfer AMX-10RC light wheeled tanks to Ukraine

    But what about Leclerc, AMX-30?
    The Englishman has not yet said anything about his tanks.
    They screw up, they screw up, and they stop. This is not a Kalashnikov assault rifle.
    On this technique, training should be at least 3 months. provided that the trainees already have experience working on a similar technique, so to speak FPC. Well, or send your natives
    1. Gvardeetz77
      Gvardeetz77 4 January 2023 20: 56
      0
      Quote from Fizik13
      French President promised to transfer AMX-10RC light wheeled tanks to Ukraine

      But what about Leclerc, AMX-30?
      The Englishman has not yet said anything about his tanks.
      They screw up, they screw up, and they stop. This is not a Kalashnikov assault rifle.
      On this technique, training should be at least 3 months. provided that the trainees already have experience working on a similar technique, so to speak FPC. Well, or send your natives

      So they will train for the summer campaign, exactly by the time the soil dries out for 3,5-4 months, there is time and this dirty trick will be quite harmful
    2. private person
      private person 4 January 2023 21: 03
      -1
      On this technique, training should be at least 3 months.

      Or maybe already prepared in advance? Do you consider this option?
    3. Yaroslav Tekkel
      Yaroslav Tekkel 5 January 2023 00: 01
      +3
      Yes, it has already been said many times that stupid Ukrainians will never master complex Western technology. You all think that if in the American army a Negro from an agricultural town masters some technique from scratch in 6 months, being distracted by the local KMB, learning the anthem and shooting training with two days off a week, then Mykola, who not only served, but and really fought on the MLRS, and who is trained at the pace "it was necessary yesterday" will also be trained for 6 months?
    4. Negro
      Negro 5 January 2023 02: 37
      +1
      Quote from Fizik13
      On this technique, training should be at least 3 months. given that

      That is until April? What's the problem?
  7. IvanR
    IvanR 4 January 2023 20: 53
    +2
    This is the first heavy machine with a serious gun, apparently they will give Bradley
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 4 January 2023 21: 07
      -2
      Judging by the volume of discussions and insiders, Bradley most likely already has a fundamental solution. On the other hand, the question of volume. If anything, the United States delivered about 113 pieces of M200 and switched to MaxPro until they began to refuse such "help", and Lithuania 50+ is not going to stop.

      The conditional Bradley battalion will not change anything globally. Especially if, according to tradition, at first (by March) they will give 12 cars, and then by the summer another 30-40.
      1. Wildcat
        Wildcat 5 January 2023 01: 07
        0
        hi
        switched to MaxPro until they no longer began to refuse such "help"

        In the story of light French tanks on wheels with a cannon that only needs its shells, the French MaxPro called Bastion was not without it - apparently. The same 4 wheels and a scary armored truck on top.
        In general, the French are "original" in gifts .... Zelensky thanks Macron on the Web for such a gift ... lol
    2. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 4 January 2023 21: 22
      -3
      with a serious gun it turns out,
      .... 105 mm rifled gun during WWII was considered serious ... at the moment it's junk ... sucks
      1. poquello
        poquello 4 January 2023 21: 32
        -2
        Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
        with a serious gun it turns out,
        .... 105 mm rifled gun during WWII was considered serious ... at the moment it's junk ... sucks

        well, the caliber is tank, it sucks that it is on wheels, those times fart then wait until it dissipates
        1. Crimean partisan 1974
          Crimean partisan 1974 5 January 2023 03: 39
          0
          those times fart then wait until it dissipates
          ... it won’t dissipate, but stand on balloons on soft soils .... the combat zone has practically no dense soil ... well, and therefore the cornet is waiting for new y-heroes on larvae
      2. Nesvoy
        Nesvoy 4 January 2023 23: 28
        +2
        Does the t-62 suck the same? Or is it different?
        1. Crimean partisan 1974
          Crimean partisan 1974 5 January 2023 03: 41
          0
          Does the t-62 suck the same? Or is it different?
          the T-62 at least has a KUV Brass Knuckles ... but does the Max have it?
      3. Yaroslav Tekkel
        Yaroslav Tekkel 5 January 2023 00: 11
        0
        At the moment, she is destroying everything except the frontal armor of the T-72/80/90.
        1. Crimean partisan 1974
          Crimean partisan 1974 5 January 2023 03: 49
          0
          Right now she's ruining everything
          yeah ... like in the film, the features of the national fishermen .... the commander of a missile boat .. maybe I can put an aircraft carrier to the bottom ... if I'm lucky
  8. rocket757
    rocket757 4 January 2023 20: 57
    +1
    French President promised to transfer AMX-10RC light wheeled tanks to Ukraine
    . The question is ... why is this pepelats needed?
    1. Dmitry Rigov
      Dmitry Rigov 4 January 2023 21: 03
      0
      Such an interesting car, due to the fact that the wheeled one can quickly leave the shelter for a shot and back, and move around too. The gun may be rather weak against other tanks, but now it is still necessary to look for direct collisions between tanks.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 4 January 2023 21: 27
        +1
        And in the fields there is no asphalt, and from the pit, shelter, it may not leave if the rain splashes ...
    2. Adrey
      Adrey 4 January 2023 21: 12
      +8
      Quote: rocket757
      The question is ... why is this pepelats needed?

      On the next branch there is a comparison of the BMP-3 and Bradley. The power of the 100-mm BMP cannon as a means of support is especially noted (by the way, quite recently there was material where it was mentioned that due to firepower, the BMP is almost never used as an infantry fighting vehicle, mainly as a means of fire support).
      Here is the answer for you hi
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 4 January 2023 21: 17
        +5
        The wheelbase is not the best choice for the terrain, the weather...not the African savannah, though.
        This is just at the expense of such a statement that he quickly arrived and left ...
        1. Adrey
          Adrey 4 January 2023 22: 13
          -1
          Quote: rocket757
          Wheelbase is not the best choice for local soils, weather conditions

          On lack of fish and cancer .. you will become.
          At least something like nothing request ..
    3. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 5 January 2023 03: 52
      +1
      . The question is ... why is this pepelats needed?
      .... well, such an intrigue for genders
  9. Fangaro
    Fangaro 4 January 2023 20: 57
    -3
    French President promised to transfer AMX-10RC light wheeled tanks to Ukraine

    Will there be a fragment of Caesar, with which Rogozin was wounded, in the kit?
    Or is the President not Caesar, let them figure it out themselves?
  10. IvanR
    IvanR 4 January 2023 20: 59
    -6
    Quote: rocket757
    French President promised to transfer AMX-10RC light wheeled tanks to Ukraine
    . The question is ... why is this pepelats needed?

    a lightly armored mini tank, in fact, if it still has good optics, it will obviously not be superfluous
    1. Mihail0221
      Mihail0221 4 January 2023 21: 19
      -4
      a lightly armored mini tank, in fact, if it still has good optics, it will obviously not be superfluous
      yes you hohham that don't let everything be happy. Beggars are used to...
    2. rocket757
      rocket757 4 January 2023 21: 25
      +1
      A self-propelled gun, this is understandable, although there are limitations like any such unit ...
      The wheelbase for such a unit is an ambush, most often ...
      Not all weather, not driven everywhere, poorly protected ... in general, against "partisans", in savannahs and deserts, it will do here and there, but on black soil and in mud, how ???
      1. Mihail0221
        Mihail0221 4 January 2023 21: 46
        -4
        in general, against the "partisans", in the savannahs and deserts, back and forth, it will do, but on the black earth and in the mud, how ???
        Agree. Yes, they even put a shit car and they will be happy with him.
      2. ZeeD
        ZeeD 4 January 2023 22: 10
        +2
        For the Armed Forces of Ukraine, everything is better than a pickup truck with ZUShka. It's worse for us
      3. Yaroslav Tekkel
        Yaroslav Tekkel 5 January 2023 00: 13
        0
        In the SA, "partisans" were called those arriving at the training camp. Now, entire regiments are being formed from them, equipped at the level of the 50s. So yes, it will do against the "partisans".
    3. flint
      flint 4 January 2023 22: 49
      0
      Well, it’s understandable, especially if your drugged Fuhrer - a clown still manages to push them along some quiet African barmaley ...
    4. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 4 January 2023 23: 17
      +1
      Quote from Ivan
      French President promised to transfer AMX-10RC light wheeled tanks to Ukraine
      .

      lightly armored mini tank in fact

      "Term": "wheeled tank" is, after all, "unofficial" ...! This is more of a "journalistic" expression ... well, or "military" ...! At the end of the 20th century, such armored vehicles were also called "heavy cannon armored vehicles" or "armored vehicles with heavy (cannon) weapons"! By the way, in the French army, the AMX-10RC is officially called the BRM [combat (armored) reconnaissance vehicle]! It is equipped with a 105-mm cannon, the ammo of which includes feathered shells ... Which previously gave reason in some reference books to call the gun smooth-bore ... but in other reference books a rifled 105-mm gun is indicated ..., motivating that France did not develop smooth-bore 105 -mm cannons ... BRM AMX-10 has an aluminum case ... so it will be difficult for her to compete with Russian MBTs!
      1. Negro
        Negro 5 January 2023 02: 46
        -2
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        so it will be difficult for her to compete with Russian MBTs!

        And why should she compete with MBT? Do you think there are MBTs under every bush?
        1. Crimean partisan 1974
          Crimean partisan 1974 5 January 2023 03: 57
          +3
          And why should she compete with MBT? Do you think there are MBTs under every bush?
          she won’t have to compete with a cornet ... everything will end quickly
          1. Negro
            Negro 5 January 2023 13: 53
            +2
            Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
            everything will end quickly

            Cornets there and immediately were not much in excess. Therefore, they put rapiers and other garbage.
  11. Mikhail Ivanov
    Mikhail Ivanov 4 January 2023 21: 09
    -4
    Any insider knows that this crap does not ride in the mud. It's time to take Paris for the fourth time, they will serve us something ...
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 4 January 2023 21: 21
      -2
      He just normally drives through the mud and digs out, because there is a tank transmission. The wheels do not turn, but change the speed / direction of rotation. With the help of such outlandish technologies as logs, he will not lose much.
      1. Crimean partisan 1974
        Crimean partisan 1974 5 January 2023 04: 10
        -3
        He just normally rides through the mud and digs,
        ... yeah .. you can scratch it only for half-witted ones .. and a sane sapiens will immediately realize the specific load on the ground ... and now catch up with what’s what .. to prove to yourself that you don’t eat a half-wit ...
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 5 January 2023 09: 38
          0
          It has a small specific load on the ground, much less than that of MaxPro, for example. Plus, using the advantages of a tank transmission, he can rake out quite actively by turning in place.

          And in the slush, there were a lot of tanks seated on the bottom, and even motorcycle leagues burrowed. But, in +/- average conditions, the patency of this chariot is enough. And where MaxPro will have to be dug out and pulled off with a tug, he can handle it himself.
    2. Mihail0221
      Mihail0221 4 January 2023 21: 21
      -7
      Any insider knows that this crap does not ride in the mud. It's time to take Paris for the fourth time, they will serve us something ...
      Well, while Ukrainian women refugees in Europe are successfully coping with the service in local brothels .... Husbands rot in the fields, and these work for the benefit of Europeans. laughing
    3. Yaroslav Tekkel
      Yaroslav Tekkel 5 January 2023 00: 15
      -3
      So take it. Take Paris, London, Washington and Nibiru.
  12. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 4 January 2023 21: 10
    +1
    Here is an exhibit for the French embassy in Russia, after the VSU coloring it will be drawn. Place it so that the ambassador circles it when leaving or leaving the embassy.
  13. opuonmed
    opuonmed 4 January 2023 21: 15
    -4
    Well, Europe has made a bet and the United States has put it on ukrrr against the Russian Federation! the way out is to destroy everything and everyone in this Ukraine if the Russian Federation is capable of! we won’t launch a nuclear strike on ukrrr, so they will all swell there and will!
  14. al3x
    al3x 4 January 2023 21: 17
    +10
    There is nothing to smirk maliciously: trash, not trash. It will cause problems, unfortunately. Well, this is not a pneumatic 4,5mm to 7,5J. In addition, as I think, this is the first step on the way to the supply of full-fledged MBT samples to NATO. We really need it chtoli or is it such excitement, come on, more, more ...? So Leclercs will crawl, leopards will follow them, there the Abrams will catch up, attack, destroyer and bomber aircraft ...
    1. Gvardeetz77
      Gvardeetz77 4 January 2023 21: 25
      0
      assault, fighter and bomber aviation ...

      I suspect that for almost a year now, pilots, cadets (not the first courses) and techies have been trained on their gliders for another six months or a year and can supply warthogs and 16s, although Ryabov in the next branch will say that this will be a trifle, which is not worth paying attention to and will reassure most of the readers.
      1. Yaroslav Tekkel
        Yaroslav Tekkel 5 January 2023 00: 20
        0
        I remember how during the "friendship between the USSR / Russia and NATO" our pilots went to them, and them to us. And after a short oral briefing, ours flew normally on the F-16 and Mirage-2000, and them on the MiG-29 and Su-27. Yes, they were selected guys, and they still flew worse than specially trained ones, but the fact itself ...
  15. dementor873
    dementor873 4 January 2023 21: 49
    +6
    I remember air defense began to be supplied from cheetahs, for which there is no ammunition, and now they have reached the Patriots. It will also be here, the trial balloon rolled.
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  17. opposite28
    opposite28 4 January 2023 21: 52
    -1
    France is going to supply Ukraine with AMX-10RC heavy armored vehicles, also called light wheeled tanks. It is reported by AFP, citing a source in the administration of the French President.
    Recall that the AMX-10RC is a light wheeled tank or heavy armored car of French production. It was developed by Satory Military Vehicles on the special order of the French army as an armored reconnaissance vehicle, capable of also engaging in combat with enemy armored vehicles.
    The capabilities of a wheeled tank should not be underestimated, but in order for it (French heavily armored wheeled vehicles) to reach the places of maintenance of the database, it is necessary to take into account the peculiarities of servicing French vehicles, in particular wheeled ones (parallel with French vehicles). It (service) for the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the field is associated with a parallel study of the "Kama Sutra", but for foreign mercenaries, including from France, their own is closer to the body. From Paris with love...
  18. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 4 January 2023 21: 57
    +1
    He has a 105 mm gun. 38 rounds included.
    But the armor is only anti-machine gun.
  19. Irina Vinogradova (Lagoda)
    Irina Vinogradova (Lagoda) 4 January 2023 21: 58
    0
    "Emerald" Macron, to the music of American artists from the collection of records given to him by Biden, will send military equipment to continue the destruction of the Slavs in Ukraine. After all, you have to work off Biden's gifts.
  20. alexander 66
    alexander 66 4 January 2023 22: 05
    0
    Not a bad support armored personnel carrier. And I think that Ukrainians have been training for new tanks and aircraft for a long time. There will be a big surprise for the General Staff, they are blind.
  21. RED_ICE
    RED_ICE 4 January 2023 22: 07
    -3
    Everything is just beginning ... and until we start destroying the railway / auto infrastructure, armament in echelons will calmly go to the front

    1. AlexWar
      AlexWar 4 January 2023 23: 20
      -6
      It is necessary to close the borders right now, otherwise the hard workers will go to the front again. Well, why then carry it out, let them train at the training grounds for now. Then what again for a very long time to rot in the trenches? If spring and summer come, then it is necessary to call now, two months of preparation and attack. And then there is something to attack and by whom. Not all of them shoot there every day.
  22. ZeeD
    ZeeD 4 January 2023 22: 07
    -1
    The frogs have completely lost their fear. You have to step on their tail somewhere. And point out to the vile gerontophile Macron that such behavior is unacceptable!
    1. opuonmed
      opuonmed 4 January 2023 22: 29
      0
      say that they lost fear, well, yes, here they didn’t lose fear, they believed that they could
    2. AdAstra
      AdAstra 4 January 2023 23: 22
      -2
      And why should they be afraid, red lines? """
  23. Pavel57
    Pavel57 4 January 2023 22: 10
    -2
    AMX-30 would be more useful. A wheeled tank is not bad for colonial wars.
    1. Yaroslav Tekkel
      Yaroslav Tekkel 5 January 2023 00: 36
      -1
      It was not made for colonial wars, but for butting for Germany in the 80s. When he could, with his 105-mm cannon, take out any foot and mechanized reconnaissance of the ATS. This is their doctrine since the 1930s: "our intelligence destroys the enemy." Nothing has changed, by the way.
  24. kokaINru
    kokaINru 4 January 2023 22: 41
    -2
    Better tell me where the French military experts taken in Mariupol?
  25. zenion
    zenion 4 January 2023 22: 42
    -5
    God bless us ne gozhe! Gifts from the entire cemetery.
  26. Petr_Koldunov
    Petr_Koldunov 4 January 2023 23: 06
    -2
    An interesting kangaroo, this Macron ... He is the only one for unconditional dialogue with Russia - and he is the only one who is ready to give the heavy armored vehicles of his production to the chubaks without restriction.
    Bipolarity is a terrible thing!
    1. Ghost1
      Ghost1 4 January 2023 23: 35
      0
      They are all against us, and his talk about dialogue with Russia is just a distraction.
  27. AlexWar
    AlexWar 4 January 2023 23: 17
    -2
    And this is after Rogozin sent him a fragment.
    1. Keer
      Keer 5 January 2023 00: 56
      -2
      Rogozin should do somersaults on a trampoline for the camera, so that the enemies know his inflexibility.
  28. Andron78
    Andron78 4 January 2023 23: 45
    -1
    How many strategists among us... any trinket capable of shooting carries a real danger to more than one hundred of our military and civilians. Look somehow routinely at potential losses, delving into the discussion about the advantages and disadvantages of this combat vehicle. This is a means of destruction, not an all-terrain vehicle.
  29. Keer
    Keer 5 January 2023 00: 20
    -4
    Well, we don’t work on bridges, therefore, it remains to “neigh” over how western weapons suck, and how we will famously dispose of them on the front line. And about how we will go to the Bay of Biscay. Konashenkov will tell about the successes, and the general of the army will be given a second star, and a marshal.
    1. Keer
      Keer 5 January 2023 00: 48
      -1
      Orders and medals for the offensive should be worn on the belly, and for retreats and theft on the "back", then the generals will not have scoliosis and sciatica, since the load on the spine will be uniform. And, even, tilt their backs back. Which, of course, is more useful than wearing metal only on the "chest" The Burdenko Hospital needs to come up with such an initiative
  30. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 5 January 2023 00: 46
    -2
    Excellent technique for Ukrainian mud. Has the French run out of all the scrap metal yet?
  31. Pantsuy
    Pantsuy 5 January 2023 02: 47
    -2
    Unfortunate Ukrainian rear servicemen... It's time to hang yourself.
  32. Alex242
    Alex242 5 January 2023 04: 22
    -2
    let's see how long this French junk will last in battles, and whether it will reach at all ...
  33. shinobi
    shinobi 5 January 2023 04: 40
    0
    In Somalia and Ethiopia, these wheelers have notably screwed up. They say the rebels burned them in packs from the DShK. Probably lying?
  34. thrush68
    thrush68 5 January 2023 05: 53
    -1
    Crap is not crap, but with a minimum number of our aviation in the war zone, these cars will ride on the roads and bring a lot of problems to ours.
  35. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 5 January 2023 09: 15
    0
    If such vehicles are transferred, tanks like Leo1 can also be transferred there with a 105mm cannon with good shells. M60 with the same gun, Swedish tanks without a turret.
  36. BigMaxMack
    BigMaxMack 5 January 2023 09: 33
    -1
    Quote: Mavrikiy
    Quote from AdAstra
    This "stupidly neighing" is not a bad gun, by the way.

    This is so. But it's not about the gun, but about the quantity ("how much will it be in grams?") In France there are 248 of them. , but really .... clowns.), but it can spoil your health. Shells, opt-electronic filling and other bells and whistles .... Macron can drop everything, instead of a "part". This is the least pleasant thing. request

    So if the diesel engine is dead, then a funny clown car will not drive up a hill in France. Or wait .. Maybe his 105 mm guns and shells are "comic"?
  37. VladMirU
    VladMirU 5 January 2023 10: 46
    -2
    Quote: Keer
    Well, we don’t work on bridges, therefore, it remains to “neigh” over how western weapons suck, and how we will famously dispose of them on the front line. And about how we will go to the Bay of Biscay. Konashenkov will tell about the successes, and the general of the army will be given a second star, and a marshal.

    .....and the nutcracker will click everything....
  38. Glagol1
    Glagol1 5 January 2023 16: 27
    -1
    Francophones go out of their way to show their hatred for Russians. Interestingly, with each new tank of theirs in the 404th, our attitude towards them is also deteriorating. Francophones have been saying for a long time, and not only, it was also in practical terms that they are the main partners of the West in relation to the Russians. And now they have destroyed it in less than 1 year. Prokekali what was created by de Gaulle, de Steen, Chirac and Sarkozy for many decades, in a few months!
  39. Mikhail Kazakov
    Mikhail Kazakov 5 January 2023 22: 05
    0
    I looked at the performance characteristics of this technique, looked at the reviews. Definitely - never a replacement for a breakthrough machine, especially a tank. The product simply has no armor (officially - protection against bullets and shrapnel), a high profile + wheel traction. Already in Iraq, where it was used, there were complaints about it. In any direct collision with the RF Armed Forces - the result is obvious, from any tank it will “suck off” on the move, almost any armored personnel carrier will pose a mortal threat. Like a fighter with any non-modern anti-tank systems, up to the mammoth RPG-7 ancient as shit (one accurate shot to the Khan's "tank").
    Apply this - of course you can. As a nomadic firing point when defending lines, it’s quite, even easier than rolling a cannon. But again, the caliber of the gun is too small. Here the experts, jerking off on Nata’s weapons, wrote they say 125mm armats - nonsense, etc., and then these same citizens begin to give themselves up in the ass and write oh ... stories that even 105mm - ooh, this is dooo, hegegey)
    In short - another prodigy for which they will pray, they will peremagat (like the holy javelins, bayraktaria, etc.) and how these installations are ground by our Armed Forces of the Russian Federation - they will forget it like that.
    If it comes to that, in order to really turn the tide, we need MASSIVELY modern tanks at least with remote sensing and massively modern armored personnel carriers at least with a more or less normal automatic cannon. At the same time (which is not unimportant) - they also need breakthrough aviation (attack helicopters / attack aircraft), which Nata cannot provide from the word at all, because they themselves are dumb. Conclusion - there will never be a breakthrough for kakels, and they will slowly / quickly (it doesn’t matter) hand over to the backside and lose territory.
    1. Eugene_Eugene
      Eugene_Eugene 6 January 2023 01: 24
      0
      Quote: Mikhail Kazakov
      so they will slowly / quickly (it doesn’t matter) to hand over to the backside and lose territory.

      Are you writing from August?