"Pawed geese" enter the battle

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"Pawed geese" enter the battle
Still from the movie The Adventures of Tom Sawyer (1973). A steamboat from the Mississippi is excellently shown. When the war began between the northern and southern states, it was on the basis of these steamers that the combat gunboats of both were built.



We go to Richmond with a dark blue wall,
Stripes and stars we carry in front of us,
John Brown’s body lies in the damp earth,
But his soul is calling us into battle!

The national anthem of the republic, USA, 1861

History military equipment. When the American Civil War began in the spring of 1861, the states that were part of a single union state were divided as follows: 11 states left the Union, but 25 remained loyal to it. True, even among the Unionist states there were not a few "neither yours nor ours", and that is, outright supporters of the South. There were especially many of these in states such as West Virginia, Maryland, Delaware, Kentucky and Missouri. In this regard, it could be expected that with the successes of the southerners, they would take their side.




Such guns were then in honor and were even installed on ships!

That's why it was necessary as soon as possible... to cut the Confederacy apart. To do this, it was necessary "only" to put the Mississippi River under the control of the federalists throughout its entire length - "backbone of rebellionas President Abraham Lincoln put it. And these words of his were not an exaggeration or "a biting phrase to the public." Although there were only three rebellious states west of the Mississippi—Arkansas, Louisiana, and Texas—their significance to the other eight was truly enormous. The fact is that huge herds of cattle grazed there, and cattle are meat, and meat is the best food for soldiers. By depriving the Confederates of meat allowances by tearing away these three states from them, the northerners significantly undermined the ability of the South to resist. That's why they thought "the Mississippi is worth the effort."

Nevertheless, the very first combat river flotilla northerners set up on the Potomac River. It served as sea-going steam vessels, not very adapted for river navigation, and their artillery was not suitable for combating southern coastal batteries equipped with heavy guns. But the service here also bore a somewhat unusual character for sailors. So, most of the dark time of the day they were engaged in rowing on boats, pursuing southern spies and northern smugglers. During the day they slept off, and ... going out on deck, they were in danger of being shot by a southerner hiding in coastal thickets. In addition, there was a danger of being fired from the shore from the guns of the camouflaged southern batteries.


Well, such guns then stood on the forts and fired at ships that tried to attack these forts ...

Meanwhile, little by little, the war on the rivers of North America was gaining unprecedented scope. Moreover, it turned out that the northern states were able to prepare for this earlier than the southern ones. Already three days after the start of the war, the government of the northerners decided to create river combat fleets. And on August 7, engineer John Eads, a well-known specialist in river shipbuilding, signed a contract with the army, according to which he undertook to not only prepare a project in 65 days, but also build as many as seven armed river gunboats. And... he fulfilled all the terms of the contract, proving once again that personal initiative and money are everything, and no government agency can catch up with a private trader. Instructions to harvest wood and saw it into boards and beams, build steam engines and engage in armor rental were transmitted by telegraph, despite the fact that the prices for such transmissions at that time were very high.


Unionist river gunboat "Chillikota", 1862

As a result, after 45 days, the first US river battleship St. Louis was launched into the water, and soon all six others followed. The contract was completed ahead of schedule, but Eads did not calm down on this, but launched his "initiative" eighth battleship Benton. Thus, in just 100 days, he managed to create a whole river flotilla of armed ships with a total displacement of five thousand tons!


The absurdity of the design of all these first combat river vessels of the northerners is simply amazing!

They immediately joined the battle and captured Forts Henry, Donelson and Fort No. 10 on the Tennessee, Cumberland and Mississippi rivers. Fort Henry was located on the island, was well fortified and armed with 19 large-caliber guns. The attack was launched after a stormy night with heavy rain and a thunderstorm, so that the northern rivermen on the ships, in fact, could not get enough sleep. But the next day the sun came out and the attack began. The battleships, covered with metal armor, went first, followed by gunboats with oak timber armor. Having approached 600 meters, the battleships of the northerners opened fire on the fort, and then the gunboats began firing at the fort from their guns. The southerners responded, and quite successfully, but they were still defeated and surrendered, and the fort turned into ruins.

True, the northerners also got it. Although the armor of the ships as a whole withstood the impacts of the cannonballs quite well, one cannonball pierced the port side of the battleship Essex and broke the steam boiler. Twenty people were killed or scalded by steam. But in general, the northerners were convinced that in almost all other cases, the cores of the southerners bounced off their armor like peas. Wooden armor also held shells well. The kernels were pressed into the wood, but they did not pierce through it.


On this battleship, at least part of the armor is metal ...

Fort Donelson was armed with heavier guns, and its batteries were three tiers above the river. It turned out that the gunboat Karandolet, which approached him first, could shoot at him only from three bow guns, while 15 were fired at her from the fort! Having received damage, she was forced to retreat, but other ships took her place, some of which risked approaching the fort by only 100 meters. But, as it turned out, at this distance, the cores pierced the armor. On one of the gunboats, the cannonball blew off the heads of five sailors at once, and one of its guns was broken. Then two more battered gunboats left the battle, but the two remaining "armored boats", despite the damage, continued to fire. This time, in order to deal with this fort, it took more time - not one hour, but ... an hour and a half!

Moreover, the same “St. Louis”, although it received 59 (!) Shell hits, had only the wounded on board, and in total, after an hour and a half battle, there were 11 killed and 43 wounded on the flotilla.

By this time, the southerners also realized the importance of the river fleet and began to create it. But they lacked metal, elementary - bolts and nuts. Steam engines were removed from river steamers, ship captains were appointed by patronage and complete arbitrariness, and often they did not even know what duties certain members of his crew should perform.


The crew of the Choctaw gunboat, 1862-1865.

Meanwhile, the northerners blockaded Fort No. 10, located on the Mississippi River. The armed ships of the southerners came to the aid of the fort, but they were powerless against the battleships of the Unionists. They were driven away, after which the ships of the northerners and the army surrounded it both from land and from the side of the river, so there were practically no shots: the garrison of the fort did not doom itself to starvation and raised a white flag! But I must say, the northerners were seriously concerned about resisting the southerners in a boarding battle - boiling water was prepared, poured over them with hoses, asbestos gloves to hold them, and hand grenades that exploded on impact. True, in the end, they did not need all this weapons then.

This is how "Uncle Sam's pawed geese" entered the battle and showed the superiority of armor over the projectile! Interestingly, to armor their ships, the northerners used not only iron armor, but also all sorts of materials at hand. Quite funny, for example, looked like armor from ship chains, sailor berths, bags of coal, sand and flour, and bales of cotton were also used, and all this was already painted in a protective gray color.

By the way, the southerners understood that their ships could not compete with the battleships of the northerners, and relied on ram attacks. When, after the fall of Fort No. 10, the ships of the northerners moved to Fort Pillow upstream, the southerners attacked them on May 8, 1862.

Then eight rams, built in three columns, went on the attack at once. Black smoke billowed from the chimneys. The sun was shining in the sky, and all the banks of the river were dotted with smart people, hoping to see the battle up close. The most ingenious set up benches along the shore, or even brought them from home, and the seats on them went for one dollar or even more. Stagecoaches with ladies drove up, and gentlemen in top hats arrived on horseback. Immediately there was a trade in beer, pies, thirsty poured lemonade and, of course, whiskey. Many bet on very decent amounts. In general, for someone it was a mortal battle, but for someone it was a very profitable business and an exciting spectacle.


A Choctaw gunboat and a Northmen bomb schooner armed with a mortar! Magazine and newspaper graphics made from photographs


In the second half of 1861, Northern Fleet Commander David D. Porter proposed an original idea to the command: to use 330-mm mortars mounted on ships to bombard the Southern forts. And this is how this mortar looked on the deck of a bomb schooner!

Finally, the opponents converged. The southerners tried to ram the ships of the northerners, but when they failed, they boarded. However, he also failed - jets of boiling water drove them off the decks. The guns fired at close range, literally barrel to barrel, from embrasure to embrasure. The southerners' ships had an advantage in speed, but they did not have the heavy guns and thick armor of the northerners' gunboats. They managed to damage two Unionist gunboats out of seven, but they themselves lost half of their ships disabled, which lost their course and which carried downstream ... Therefore, the southerners interrupted the battle and retreated under the protection of Fort Pillow ...

To be continued ...
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  1. +12
    7 January 2023 05: 29
    An epic picture, especially with the audience watching the battle with a mug of beer, and maybe whiskey.
    1. +4
      7 January 2023 06: 53
      Quote: Popenko
      An epic picture, especially with the audience watching the battle with a mug of beer, and maybe whiskey.

      Now it's better... on the couch in front of the screen! There is still an idea about the rates ... And on a global scale, bastard uncles are watching us!
      1. +5
        7 January 2023 13: 58
        Not so simple! At the very least, there is no need to generalize.
        Example.
        "CHARLESTON" The battleship is known as the "Ladies Gunboat", the ship received such an unofficial name for the huge financial assistance provided by women. The battleship "Charleston" operated as part of the Charleston squadron until the ship was burned on February 15, 1865, so that it would not fall into the hands of the enemy.
        Dimensions:
        - length 189 feet
        - width 34 feet
        - draft 6 feet
        Displacement unknown
        Reservation iron 4 inches thick with wood backing.
        Armament: 2 x 6.4-inch Brook rifled guns: 2 x 9-inch smoothbore guns.
        Propulsion: two-bladed propeller
        6 nodes speed
        Built: Charleston, South Carolina
        Launched: December 1862
        Commissioned: July 1864
        Crew 150 people.
    2. +7
      7 January 2023 14: 03
      Watch the Chinese movie "Eight Hundred".
      Foreign citizens watched the fighting between the Japanese and Chinese in Shanghai.
  2. +14
    7 January 2023 05: 51
    Gorgeous Vyacheslav!
    It turned out that the gunboat Karandolet, which approached him first, could shoot at him only from three bow guns, while 15 were fired at her from the fort! Having received damage, she was forced to retreat, but other ships took her place, some of which risked approaching the fort by only 100 meters. But, as it turned out, at this distance, the cores pierced the armor. On one of the gunboats, the cannonball blew off the heads of five sailors at once, and one of its guns was broken.

    Most researchers blame the American gunboat captains, who, using their speed, got ahead of the slow armadillos and got stuck like “chickens in a pluck”.
    However, it must be remembered that both fronts of the participants in the US Civil War were simply not ready to fight on the rivers. The artillery of the southerners in the forts was a hodgepodge of field and land fortress cannons with single inclusions of guns taken from coastal fortresses. All of them were smooth-bore and muzzle-loading.
    As a reference, a 12 pound shot will not penetrate a 1/2 yard wood bead, an 18 pound shot will not penetrate a 2/3 yard, a 24 pound shot will not penetrate a yard. Therefore, most of the ships of the Napoleonic wars were armed with 36-pound guns and in the aggregate carried a meter-long layer of side plating at the level of battery decks.
    By the way, we violated the parity of "armor" and "core" - by using 64-pound bomb cannons in the Synopsis battle. Although it must be admitted that 36 pound "grandmothers" were enough for Turkish frigates!
    1. +5
      7 January 2023 06: 28
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      for eyes

      What a nice addition....
      1. +12
        7 January 2023 07: 02
        Good morning everyone, and thank you, Vyacheslav, for a really great article! good
        All my information was limited to the battle of the "Monitor" with the "Merrimac" and the attack of the submarine of the southerners "Hanley". smile

        Well, a couple more pictures with the actions of river fleets.


        1. Fat
          +5
          7 January 2023 08: 50
          hi Greetings Konstantin. Join! The article is great. Epigraph struck smile
          Glory, glory, hallelujah
          But his soul goes marching on..
          Whoever did not sing this "folk" song ... And the content of the article turned out to be simply excellent!
          1. +6
            7 January 2023 11: 43
            Hi Andrew! smile
            Even in my youth I heard: "John Brown fell on the battlefield during his victorious campaign," having no idea who he was, this John Brown. request
            1. Fat
              +5
              7 January 2023 14: 15
              I once had a whole collection of tracks of songs from this civil war ... There were a lot of versions of "John Brown" and one of them was in the version of the march of the 54th Massachusetts Volunteer Infantry Regiment (Negro soldiers), there are completely different words, only common motif and (partial) refrain "hail, hail, hallelujah!" - no John Brown - the hero of the abolitionist. However, in the basic version of the text (available on Wiki) there are no words about John Brown smile
            2. +6
              7 January 2023 16: 16
              having no idea who he is, this John Brown
              Few people know that Lily Marlene is two different girls.
              1. +4
                7 January 2023 17: 43
                Hello Anton!
                Lily Marlene, these are two different girls.

                More details from now on please. wink
                1. +5
                  7 January 2023 18: 03
                  From Wikipedia:
                  "The lyrics of the song appeared during the First World War. The author of the text was Hans Leip (1893-1983) - the son of a port worker from Hamburg, later a famous poet and artist.

                  He composed the first three stanzas of the poem in 1915 while on duty in Berlin before being sent to the Eastern Front (Lili Marlene is a portmanteau of the names of two real girls the young soldier met: the grocer's daughter Lily and the nurse Marlene). Leip completed two more stanzas in 1937 for publication under the title "Song of the Young Sentinel" in the poetry collection "Die kleine Hafenorgel."
                  1. +4
                    7 January 2023 18: 16
                    So, wait, I'm off the scale - was the grocer's name Lily and the nurse Marlene, or were they both the grocer's and the nurse's daughters? wassat
                    1. +4
                      7 January 2023 18: 22
                      Quote: Sea Cat
                      So, wait, I'm off the scale - was the grocer's name Lily and the nurse Marlene, or were they both the grocer's and the nurse's daughters? wassat

                      Uncle Kostya, you are not the only one!
                      Having imbued with the theme of "Dixie" before leaving the country, on the flagpole, the pirate flag was changed to the St. Andrew's Cross of the Confederates. The neighbors will be freaking out tomorrow morning! laughing
                      1. +3
                        7 January 2023 18: 55
                        St. Andrew's Cross of the Confederates.
                        "Deep In the Heart of Texas." )))
                      2. +3
                        7 January 2023 19: 47
                        Deep in the heart of Texas. The cowboys cry, "Ki-yip-pee yi".


                      3. +4
                        7 January 2023 19: 56
                        Well you did!!! laughing Do you have flags for all occasions? wink
                      4. Fat
                        +5
                        7 January 2023 20: 27
                        Well, "The Stainless Banner" along with the pirated "Jolly Roger" is often used by bikers... winked what
                      5. +5
                        7 January 2023 21: 32
                        I hope to live to see the moment when Comrade Colonel will be able to raise the rear admiral's pennant over his estate!
                      6. Fat
                        +4
                        7 January 2023 23: 53
                        It seems to me that even then, at the crossroads, he will draw stars. Love for a motor on 2 wheels with a steering wheel ("brakes were invented by cowards" (c) - the folklore of sailors and traffic cops) cannot be defeated by simple naval symbolism laughing
                      7. +2
                        8 January 2023 14: 22
                        ... will be able to raise a rear admiral's pennant over his estate!


                        You give the full Admiral !!! soldier


                    2. +4
                      7 January 2023 18: 46
                      The grocer's daughter was called Lily, the other girl, the nurse, was Marlene.
                  2. Eug
                    +2
                    8 January 2023 16: 08
                    Wow, for some reason I was sure that "Marlene" is Marx and Lenin (shutka, if anything)
                2. Fat
                  +4
                  8 January 2023 00: 26
                  1941, Germany. The success of "Lily Marlene"
                  Despite the opinion of the Reich Minister of Propaganda about Lily Marlene, nothing could be done about her popularity. The song fell in love with the soldiers, who remembered their girls in the trenches and believed that they would be expected. In addition, Lily Marlene unexpectedly liked the Fuhrer himself, who did not have an exquisite taste, unlike Goebbels. So Lale Andersen became the star of the Third Reich and all restrictions on performances and recording songs were removed from her. Lale was declared a "national treasure of Germany" and invited to a reception to the Fuhrer.
                  This is not enough!
                  General Rommel heard Lily Marlene on the air of the Belgrade front-line radio station, located on the territory of occupied Yugoslavia, and he also liked it. Rommel asked that it be performed more often to boost the morale of the soldiers in his corps. Soon, Radio Belgrade began broadcasting the song every evening at 21:55 pm, shortly before the lights out, after a broadcast in which letters from the front were read out. As a result, "Lily Marlene" became the call sign of the radio station.

                  And this is not enough
                  On the other front line...
                  ... the soldiers of the 8th British Army, who fought against Rommel's corps, also heard the song every evening. And in the end they began to sing it in German.
                  "Fire". This word can be called the way the song spread through the British barracks, trenches and hospitals. That is, it sounded everywhere where there were men in military uniform who dreamed of their loved ones left behind.
                  Once, song publisher J. Phillips came to the front in Libya and condemned British soldiers for singing “Lili Marlene” in German. Then one of them shouted: “Write an English text for us!” And in 1943, a version of the song in English sounded among the soldiers in North Africa ... performed by Vera Lynn.

                  and this is not enough:
                  At the end of 1941, the song was translated into French and performed for the first time by Suzy Solidor at the Parisian cabaret La Vie in January 1942.
                  Also in 1941, the song became popular among British soldiers in Africa, which caused confusion among the command. As a result, in May 1943 the text was translated into English. The song also immediately gained popularity among American soldiers, who associated it with the only Marlene they knew, Marlene Dietrich.
                  In 1942, the song was also translated into Finnish, and became famous performed by Georg Malmsten.
                  Since 1943, the BBC has broadcast in German an anti-war and anti-Nazi version by Lucy Mannheim. The text was a letter from Lily Marlene to her beloved at the front and ended with a wish to see “the one who is to blame for everything” (that is, Hitler) hanging from a lantern.
                  After the war, Joseph Brodsky made a free translation of the lyrics of the song.
                  The song was eventually translated into 48 languages, including Hebrew and Latin.
                  1. +2
                    8 January 2023 14: 27
                    I don't know about the voice, but it's nothing special.

    2. +4
      7 January 2023 07: 41
      I wonder what was the thickness on the sides of what was done in haste?
      1. +9
        7 January 2023 09: 00
        10 cm of armor, then 76 cm of oak wood lining. It's on armadillos.
        1. +6
          7 January 2023 09: 18
          Southerners on Merrimack:
          The main design feature of the battleship was a wooden casemate, the edges of which were rounded. The thickness of the wooden walls was about two feet (0,6 m). The walls had a slope of 35 degrees. It was supposed that the wooden walls would be sheathed in three layers of iron sheets one inch thick each, but from the experience of naval battles it was concluded that two layers of iron two inches thick each would give a higher level of protection. The roof of the casemate was not sheathed with iron armor. The sides of the casemate were sheathed with iron from the roof to the waterline. The decision to lower the lower edge of the armor below the casemate, extending it to the sides, led to an increase in the mass of the ship. The designers deliberately went to the deterioration of the maneuverability of the armadillo in favor of increased security. In Europe, in those days, the walls of the casemates of battleships were carried out almost vertically; in this light, the decision of the designers of the confederate battleship to tilt the walls of the casemate by 35 degrees looks revolutionary. The security of a casemate with sloping walls increased sharply compared to a casemate with vertical walls of the same thickness.

          I want to add that Dixie had little special ship armor, they mainly used flattened rails.
        2. +4
          7 January 2023 13: 09
          Thanks a lot! Impressively. And oak - one bar or composite?
          1. +4
            7 January 2023 13: 51
            Quote from Korsar4
            Thanks a lot! Impressively. And oak - one bar or composite?

            From three-inch boards, criss-cross.
            1. +1
              7 January 2023 18: 52
              Thanks, Vladislav! And in several rows, respectively?
  3. +5
    7 January 2023 05: 59
    On the deck of a bomb schooner. "And how many shots from such a gun could withstand
    a set of frames and a ship's keel?
    1. +5
      7 January 2023 06: 29
      Quote: Private SA
      a set of frames and a ship's keel?

      If I knew - I wrote
    2. +3
      7 January 2023 06: 49
      Quote: Private SA
      And how many shots from such a gun could a set of frames and a ship's keel withstand?

      And how many shots could the frames of a 100-gun ship withstand, and even placed in several tiers?
      1. +10
        7 January 2023 08: 21
        The hundred-gun battleships of the first rank were the "panacea" for many admirals of the 18th and 19th centuries. The recognized masters of such monsters at the beginning of the 18th century were the French. In order to avoid sagging of a four-deck three-masted ship of the 1st rank, an oblique set of frame and stinger sheathing was used. The British, the Spaniards and we (during the years of Peter the Great) were “burned” several times when trying to mold, something over 96 guns. The British were the first to overcome this milestone, by copying a captured French ship into the goals of the War of the Spanish Succession. We lured a subject of the French crown for a lot of money. Although the first pile gun "Peter I and Peter II" was built for more than 10 years, it served much less. Subsequently, a set of large ships began to be made "X-shaped". Moreover, various types of wood were used.
        There are interesting scientific hypotheses of the reasons for the death of Pavel Petrovich, one of them is the continental blockade of Britain put an end to its fleet, which was 90% built from Russian timber. According to rough estimates, the entire rigging of the British was from Russian hemp, 75% - canvas, a third - cast iron and metal parts (for example, anchors).
        1. +6
          7 January 2023 09: 02
          Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
          There are interesting scientific hypotheses of the reasons for the death of Pavel Petrovich, one of them is the continental blockade of Britain put an end to its fleet, which was 90% built from Russian timber. According to rough estimates, the entire rigging of the British was from Russian hemp, 75% - canvas, a third - cast iron and metal parts (for example, anchors).

          What great comments you have today!
          1. +9
            7 January 2023 09: 34
            "Society" will "let me in on sausage" if they find out that I read this from Medinsky laughing
          2. +3
            7 January 2023 10: 16
            Without getting up from the couch. The Angles believed that the best masts and spars were made from "Riga spruce".
            1. +6
              7 January 2023 13: 10
              This is just a name. Most often, the masts were Karelian, and as a rule, pine.
              1. +2
                7 January 2023 18: 59
                Quote from Korsar4
                This is just a name. Most often, the masts were Karelian, and as a rule, pine.

                As far as I understood from the books. The vertical spars (masts) were made of pine, the horizontal ones (yards, etc.) of spruce.
                1. +2
                  7 January 2023 19: 08
                  But then there had to be strict requirements for the number of branches for spruce.

                  And then it is completely incomprehensible why it was not among the species prohibited for felling under Peter I. And much later.
                  1. Fat
                    +3
                    7 January 2023 20: 11
                    hi Greetings, Sergey. Spruce, fir and pine were widely used by Pomors in the construction of boats, karbas, koches, and other traditional northern ships. Peter, to put it mildly, did not welcome this, so he did not care about the Christmas trees.
                    Pine is a completely different matter.
                    Spruce is easily pricked, so Pomors, before the advent of affordable lumber, it was often used, including for sheathing ...
                    Quote from Korsar4
                    strict requirements for the number of branches.

                    Forest spruces with a total height of up to 60 meters often to a height of up to 25 m - without knots ...
                    1. +1
                      7 January 2023 20: 19
                      Good evening, Andrew!

                      60 meters at spruce and fir is in the mountains. The highest that I saw on the plain - larches over 50 meters in forest cultures.

                      It is likely that tall spruces can be well delimbed. But here the possibility of forest fires also intervenes.

                      And another problem with spruces, especially now, is rot, like a root sponge.

                      And even ship pine became ship pine if it grew with the second tier, and was cleared of branches.
                      1. Fat
                        +3
                        7 January 2023 21: 54
                        All right. In addition, I note that for karbas, for example, the tree was not chopped, but fell down, the roots were used as elements of the "set", stem, sternpost, frames.
                        “Native” frames made from a single spruce root were considered good, but sometimes they were assembled from two halves with overlap in the keel area.
                        . The crown was also used, these boats are "sewn" (or rather sewn) "vice" from steamed spruce branches (however, juniper and hemp and leather cords were also used). Minimum metal. Pomor craftsmen could, in the presence of a forest, build a lost boat literally in "field conditions". Yes
                        Let me remind you that in 1702, on the Kholmogory karbas, Peter Alekseevich sent his retinue, supplies and guardsmen to Oreshok. There were very few ships of the new Dutch model, only a few, the few that M. Schepotiev managed to build ...
                        The "commercial" Kholmogory karbas took on board up to 12-15 fighters (except for the crew) or almost a ton of supplies, depending on the size of both the boat and the guards, of course smile
                      2. +2
                        8 January 2023 07: 25
                        Interesting. I know that the pies of the Indians of North America were sewn together with spruce or larch roots.

                        Give your roots, Temrak
                  2. +3
                    7 January 2023 21: 45
                    Oak goes much more on the hull, and not on the masts and yards, which can be easily replaced. Oak is more expensive and there is less of it, it grows longer to the desired conditions. Moreover, the oak was divided into straight and curved. The second was not a marriage, but a very valuable resource for the formation of a ship's set.
                    1. +1
                      7 January 2023 21: 59
                      This is clear. Even bent in a special way. In Voronezh, we used oak. Like the Kazan oak forests, they went for it. And in the north - larch.

                      Oak grows for a very long time.

                      With spruce I have - the main question. What the “Riga spruce” persistently pushed.
                      1. +6
                        8 January 2023 00: 20
                        The Vasa ship museum in Stockholm shows examples of cutting out elements of the ship's set. The frames were cut along the fibers of a curved log.
                        Regarding Riga, the following can be added. The British considered their best oak. English. Firstly, because of the higher content of tannins, those are of increased resistance to decay. True, the situation is reversed with iron elements. In contact with water and tannic acids, iron corrodes more strongly. But this is not the main thing. Russian-Polish suppliers did not comply with the procurement rules. They could fuse trunks, leave them in the rain, violate the drying regulations, etc. This led to hidden defects. In principle, the material is good, but the repeatability of quality is low. Therefore, British carriers purchased continental goods from wholesalers who were highly qualified in the selection of goods. I met that only a third of the Russian timber corresponded to the quality of the English Admiralty (we mean warships, as the most important and technologically responsible element of shipbuilding). And so to the Riga suppliers the trust was on the highest. They believed the stigma, willingly overpaid for it.
                        By the way, I met that the British dried the forest on burnt peat bogs. Apparently counting on a long warm-up coming from below. I do not understand how it was organized technically. You can see how it dried with us on New Holland.
                        Under Catherine the Great, finished products were purchased - masts. There was confidence in quality here. The yards and masts were consumables. Spare elements according to the regulations were attached to the upper deck. In extreme situations, they were used as rescue boats. Therefore, for many marine painters, people are saved at sea after the death of the ship on rafts from a spare spar.
                      2. 0
                        8 January 2023 03: 55
                        Quote: balabol
                        The British considered their best oak. English. Firstly, due to the higher content of tannins, those of increased resistance to decay

                        Interested! Where can I read this in more detail. Thanks in advance
                      3. +2
                        8 January 2023 15: 07
                        The easiest link. The author apparently took materials from the English edition indicated in the discussion below.
                        https://warspot.ru/9486-timber-problem-britanskogo-flota
                      4. 0
                        8 January 2023 16: 37
                        Quote: balabol
                        The simplest link
                        https://warspot.ru/9486-timber-problem-britanskogo-flota

                        Thank you!
                      5. +1
                        8 January 2023 07: 27
                        Been to this museum. But very fast.
                        It is difficult to come up with something better to understand the scale of the ship.
            2. +7
              7 January 2023 13: 15
              Riga spruce - port of shipment Riga. The Angles trusted the quality of the sorting of the Rigans. Petersburg is less
              1. +5
                7 January 2023 15: 36
                Yes of course.

                At that time, spruce was generally considered a weed. I'm trying to figure out how small-layer could be useful on a ship. In principle, it is possible.
                1. +3
                  7 January 2023 19: 04
                  At that time, spruce was generally considered a weed.
                  It is still considered practically so. Too resinous and knotty.
                  1. +4
                    7 January 2023 19: 09
                    CBC takes willingly.
                    And the prices for conifers for a long period are quite dynamic.
                    1. Fat
                      +3
                      7 January 2023 23: 09
                      On cellulose and alcohol and ski (censorship) ( belay crying), solvent, desiccant (catalyst) will always work smile
                      And if I didn’t drive vodka from sawdust,
                      What would we have with five bottles?
                      .....
                      Now let me say a few words without protocol:
                      What does our family and school teach us?
                      That life itself will punish such severely.
                      Here we agree, say, Serge.
                      (C)
            3. Fat
              +2
              8 January 2023 03: 56
              hi Novel. Maybe you will rise from the rookery ...
              Quote: Not the fighter
              Without getting up from the couch. The Angles believed that the best masts and spars were made from "Riga spruce".

              What is the difference between Riga spruce and northern pine, British shipbuilders knew a thousand years before your sofa was built from which you do not rise
              And show
              Quote: Not the fighter
              The Angles believed that the best masts and spars were made from "Riga spruce".

              They may continue to think so. Do you live in Latvia or visits? Are you a yacht reenactor?
              Maybe all the same Spruce? Maybe this is how the Hansa sold a banal European Christmas tree to their London office in the 14th century, and then mocking marketing? Guarantee?
        2. +7
          7 January 2023 13: 12
          A typo, not stingers, but stringers.
          At the very least (oak), the British could pick up the corpus forest. They kept a two-year supply in warehouses. Something gave the colony. The mast forest of northern pine was critical. The French themselves noticed that they used composite masts, whose resistance to wind loads was lower than solid masts from the northern forest. Moreover, it was the Russian North, Scandinavia that gave the worst forest. The forest from Canada also lost. Oak from Eastern Europe Poland, Russia, Prussia.
          With Russia, England had a negative payment deficit, they bought more than they sold to Russia. It was unpleasant for them, but by turning our raw materials into expensive goods, they covered this deficit.
        3. +5
          7 January 2023 13: 44
          There are interesting scientific hypotheses of the reasons for the death of Pavel Petrovich, one of them is the continental blockade of Britain put an end to its fleet, which was 90% built from Russian timber.

          This hypothesis may be interesting in terms of urapatriotism, but it is not at all scientific. There is a lot of statistical information on the import of ship timber to Britain, since for the British, ship timber was a strategic raw material.

          As you can see, the import of ship timber from Russia at the time of the accession of Paul the First is 16,7 percent in the total mass.
          About the rigging "from Russian hemp" - similarly - "urapatriotic" Samsonism.
          At the same time, Britain owned half of the world's iron production.
          1. +4
            7 January 2023 14: 12
            I understand the minus turbopatriots. In a country where the muse of history is not Clio, but Mary Magdalene, it cannot be otherwise. But, as they say in the famous football chant: "Minus, don't minus, you'll still get... the puck... the puck!" Although, what the hell is not joking, suddenly someone from this audience will be honored with some arguments.
            1. +5
              7 January 2023 15: 26
              In a country where the muse of history is not Clio, but Mary Magdalene, it cannot be otherwise.

              Well, if you are already completely objective, then take the trouble to name the muse of the History of your country. Then, at least, there will be something to compare with. Only I doubt that it is Clio. hi
              1. +7
                7 January 2023 15: 42
                Everyone can have their own Muse. Often, not alone.
                1. +5
                  7 January 2023 16: 19
                  That's right, everyone has their own. laughing

                  I rushed to the table, all - impatience,
                  But, Lord, have mercy and save,
                  She's gone - inspiration gone
                  And three rubles, should be in a taxi.


                  And if there is more than one, then there won’t be enough for all three rubles! wassat

                  1. +4
                    7 January 2023 17: 18
                    - ... And be careful with the young ladies. Marble, they are not marble - our business side. Sit in the sun, bask.
                    - It would be good to heal with herbs. A decoction of chamomile, mint ... Do you have mint in Italy?
                    - Well, where does mint come from in Italy? I saw their Italy on the map: boot with boot, and that's it.
                    1. +3
                      7 January 2023 17: 54
                      And be careful with the ladies. Marble, they are not marble - our business side.

                      Yes, especially with the bronze ones...
                      1. +3
                        7 January 2023 18: 02
                        Do not read. But it was better to stay away from Carmen as well.
                      2. +2
                        7 January 2023 18: 31
                        From such girls it is better for everyone to be at a distance.
                        And Jose was weak. request
                      3. +2
                        7 January 2023 19: 10
                        Priorities thoroughly beguiled. Can't be approved.
                2. Fat
                  +3
                  8 January 2023 01: 54
                  I note that it’s not Christian (Christmas time has begun what ) ... The guy (if he is not a complete maniac) has only one muse ("coast"), maybe two (imprinting). All other connections are just "avatars" of the true half wassat
                  1. +1
                    8 January 2023 14: 59
                    I never got to know what an "avatar" is.

                    Leave me at home, shut the door
                    Turn off your phone, turn off the lights.
                    In the morning there is an illusion that everything is not so bad,
                    In the morning there is a fairy tale with a happy ending.

                    I'm going on a hike - two angels ahead!
                    One saves the soul, the other saves the body.
                    1. Fat
                      +2
                      8 January 2023 23: 01
                      Avatar is easy! Essence is knowledge (experience), mind and attribute, and karma of course. An avatar is the closest available incarnation of an entity....
                      .... if you are dumb as a tree, you will be born a baobab, and you will be a baobab for a thousand years until you die .... - they came up with a successful religion ... (C)
                      It would seem, but "attribute" is a label that you can neither refuse nor surpass.
                      We used to call it "good ability" or talent, something transcendental-transcendental at the same time (according to Kant)
                      The spark of God looks more familiar laughing
                      There is a "spark" in every person. To reveal this is also a "gift" .... a teacher, a psychologist, a mentor and even a police detective .... fellow
              2. +4
                7 January 2023 16: 26
                try to name

                With this, due to some objective and subjective factors, there is still complete uncertainty. But I hope that the negative experience will be taken into account and the right choice will be made.
                1. +7
                  7 January 2023 17: 41
                  It's beautiful, like a report at the reporting and re-election meeting at the time. laughing
                  1. +4
                    7 January 2023 20: 09
                    Beautiful, like at one time a report at the reporting and re-election meeting

                    I try to be on trend. Here, 90 percent of commentators yearned for the days of party meetings, SMERSH, Gulag, Article 58 and the decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR of June 26, 1940.
                    1. +3
                      7 January 2023 20: 28
                      It depends on which article and in which section, in History they practically don’t smell, sometimes it brings it in, but on a purely specific topic. Yes, you yourself know this. But ninety percent is still too much.
                      1. +1
                        7 January 2023 20: 46
                        But ninety percent is still too much.

                        Do you think it's exaggerated? Perhaps, but not by much.
                      2. +2
                        8 January 2023 13: 54
                        An accurate count of the number of sheep is available only to an experienced shepherd. laughing

                      3. Fat
                        0
                        8 January 2023 23: 29
                        Sheep sheep are wonderful. Here, ostriches, for example, have RAM for only a few seconds ...
                        Every time to do a "flashing" of the entire system? And if the program is embedded in the "hardware" and not in the "software"?
            2. +6
              7 January 2023 16: 43
              Quote from Passeur
              I understand the downvoters

              Well, I do not often minus, although it happens)))
              but in this case, I think, it is necessary to separate these two questions.
              1) with regard to the supply of materials,
              a) 16-19% is not so small if these deliveries stop at the same time.
              b) not only quantity is important, but quality. If the recommended 20% serve several years longer than those delivered from other places, then ...
              as far as I remember Makhov, the quality was very good.
              c) well, the crisis with supplies from Russia did happen after Tilsit. The English, although not without difficulty, nevertheless overcame it.
              2) But as for the participation of the English ambassador in the vicious murder of Pavel Petrovich, there really is more lyrics here.
              Like it or not, most of the elite could not stand the sovereign, and there is no reason to assume that she would not have coped on her own. The version about English money .... well, it's not even funny. Count Palen is actually the prime minister, the Zubovs are the richest landowners. Panins are also not found in the garbage. That's who had enough money.
              Did the British Embassy know about the conspiracy? Lord, yes, all of St. Petersburg was aware, including Tsarevich Alexander)
              In general, something like that hi
              1. +3
                7 January 2023 18: 40
                Like it or not, most of the elite could not stand the sovereign, and there is no reason to assume that she would not have coped on her own. The version about English money .... well, it's not even funny. Count Palen is actually the prime minister, the Zubovs are the richest landowners. Panins are also not found in the garbage. That's who had enough money.

                I agree completely, although the motives for the "change of the sovereign" were, without exception, for everyone. Starting from the Zubovs - the loss of income from the sale of grain, to Bigenson - a banal insult. By the way, in addition to the continental blockade, Pavel had a grudge against the shavers for Malta, and the Britons for Paul - for the "Indian Campaign"!
              2. +3
                7 January 2023 19: 03
                16-19% is not so small if these deliveries stop at the same time.

                After all, the question being discussed is not "a lot or a little", but the question of "a fleet that was 90% built from Russian timber." It is somehow doubtful that ninety percent of the fleet was built from 16 percent of timber.
                1. +3
                  7 January 2023 20: 52
                  Quote from Passeur
                  It is somehow doubtful that ninety percent of the fleet was built from 16 percent of the timber.

                  That yes Yes
            3. +1
              7 January 2023 19: 32
              Quote from Passeur
              I understand the minus turbopatriots. In a country where the muse of history is not Clio, but Mary Magdalene, it cannot be otherwise. But, as they say in the famous football chant: "Minus, don't minus, you'll still get... the puck... the puck!" Although, what the hell is not joking, suddenly someone from this audience will be honored with some arguments.

              I don’t know English well, but in the text you posted, I didn’t find a word about ship timber or timber for the needs of the fleet. In fact, this is the export of the entire timber, which does not show the needs of the British fleet in the ship timber.
              1. +1
                7 January 2023 19: 56
                Since the end of the XNUMXth century, the entire British timber trade has been considered solely from the point of view of supporting shipbuilding.
                1. +1
                  7 January 2023 20: 59
                  Quote from Passeur
                  Since the end of the XNUMXth century, the entire British timber trade has been considered solely from the point of view of supporting shipbuilding.

                  You again leave from a specific question. Shipbuilding is a broad concept, but I want you to confirm your data that it was purchased ship timber for the needs of the British navy.
                  According to Ivanov, at the turn of the 18th and 19th centuries, only a third of the stocks were occupied for the needs of the navy.
                  1. +3
                    7 January 2023 21: 21
                    You again go away from a specific question

                    You have known me for more than one year, you could already somehow form an assessment of the information I provide.
                    According to Ivanov

                    Do not read. I trust the British more in this matter. 500 pages - and all about ship timber for British shipbuilding. I can send.
                    1. +6
                      7 January 2023 21: 52
                      I do not doubt your knowledge and assessments. I just want to get it right. Unfortunately, I’m not strong in English and I can’t master 500 sheets.
                      Again, I read a lot about the construction system of the British military fleet. I have been interested in the wooden fleet for a long time and I have trust (or not trust) in English sources.
                      The start of the Napoleonic Wars was marked by a series of corruption scandals. In short, high ranks delivered several dozen "rotten" ships from the Scandinavian forest, moving the Russian and Canadian ship timber to private traders. There are a number of other points. One of which is associated with the death of sailors and officers from wood chips after trying to sheathe ships with exotic varieties of wood from the West Indies. There are works about the role of American timber, which the United States stopped selling to Britain, and before that, every 10 merchant ship had its roots from there.
                      Even many sailors are confident in the oak hulls of ships of the line, although the inner layer has always been made of soft coniferous wood - mostly pine.
                      Superimposing all this on a significant time interval for aging a tree, and in the British Navy, they tried to follow this rule. Sawn pine could become a set of a ship at best in 5 years, and sometimes a quarter of a century could be stored in a finished “set”.
                      And there were not rare cases when the forest was used for the banal repair of ships. Some have been thrombosed up to 5 times.
                      1. +3
                        7 January 2023 22: 07
                        Again, I read a lot about the construction system of the British military fleet.

                        I do not consider myself a specialist in this matter, although I was also interested and shoveled a lot of literature, but it is all in English.
                      2. +3
                        8 January 2023 04: 06
                        Quote from Passeur
                        Again, I read a lot about the construction system of the British military fleet.

                        I do not consider myself a specialist in this matter, although I was also interested and shoveled a lot of literature, but it is all in English.

                        Alas, it is not available to me. I read with a dictionary. If I start talking...
                        While still a schoolboy, while in St. Petersburg (the name had just been returned to the city), I tried to give some elderly foreigner a place in a cafe. For my "sindown pliz" she almost hit me with a stick! laughing
                      3. Fat
                        +5
                        7 January 2023 22: 19
                        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
                        Some have been thrombosed up to 5 times.

                        Vlad again "skins autocorrect" RETIMBINGbuddy request
                      4. +2
                        8 January 2023 03: 59
                        I confess Borisych, the system does not know specialized terms like rarely used Russian words. You, like other respected Kamrads, correct and ironize, but I sprinkle a pearl on my head that I am too lazy to read the text!
                      5. Fat
                        +3
                        8 January 2023 04: 20
                        Again, your "autotext sausages" or are you joking already, like my namesake - Adrey Borisych (Golovanov) from the "magnificent five" of the fifth channel? good
                        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
                        I sprinkle pearls on my head,

                        laughing
                        He was injured by dropping the bed on himself ... Well, it’s hard, of course, to imagine this, but nevertheless! ..
                        (C) wassat
          2. +1
            7 January 2023 15: 41
            Interestingly, since that time the name of European spruce in English has been established: Norway spruce? Or earlier?
            1. Fat
              +4
              7 January 2023 22: 34
              Unknown. "Common spruce" In the main range in Britain, it was not at all - it is a naturalized breed there. Probably both naturalized and called, probably still the Vikings fellow
    3. +6
      7 January 2023 08: 40
      Quote: Private SA
      On the deck of a bomb schooner. "And how many shots from such a gun could withstand
      a set of frames and a ship's keel?

      Alas, I could not find a plausible set of bombardment ship on the Internet.
      Therefore, I apologize for the quality of the photographs from the book.

      In cross section, this set represented an "X-shaped" strut with two platforms, lower on the keel and upper deck - with slopes on the turntable of the mortar.

      On the example of a gunboat.
    4. Fat
      +9
      7 January 2023 09: 05
      Quote: Private SA
      On the deck of a bomb schooner. "And how many shots from such a gun could withstand
      a set of frames and a ship's keel?

      hi A bombardier ship in the 19th century is no longer a "wunderwaffe"; they have been built and used for more than 100 years. Everyone endured
      1. +4
        7 January 2023 09: 38
        It's a pity Borisych is not visible, a set under the mortar!
        1. Fat
          +8
          7 January 2023 11: 20
          hi Vladislav.
          Sectional models, section models, as well as models of various elements and parts of the hull, spars or armament of the ship are sufficient. rarely take good pictures.


    5. +9
      7 January 2023 09: 31
      During the Battle of New Orleans, Porter had 21 mortar schooners. On the first day of shelling, all together they fired 1400 shells. In the next few less, but it should be noted that several ships were damaged by return fire and out of action, and the Maria J. Carlton was lost.
      In general, it is obvious that despite the monstrous size of the gun, the recoil was not so great.
  4. -5
    7 January 2023 06: 21
    The main message is clear, America, with its private companies, will make more and more weapons and send them to Ukraine, and we, with our ,, Rogozins, and Turkish ,, friend, will soon be blown away, so the total of this is our next, shameful, , , khasavyurt,, ....
    1. +6
      7 January 2023 06: 30
      Who told you such nonsense? Did you read between the lines? Well, you have talent!
    2. +9
      7 January 2023 08: 27
      Quote: Rodimtsev
      The main message is clear, America, with its private companies, will make more and more weapons and send them to Ukraine, and we, with our ,, Rogozins, and Turkish ,, friend, will soon be blown away, so the total of this is our next, shameful, , , khasavyurt,, ....

      You can save the situation, and I offer two solutions to choose from:
      The first is foreign to start building river gunboats from rails and sleepers.
      The second - domestic from the same materials to sculpt armored trains !!!
      Just make sure that it can crawl or swim to the SVO theater! laughing
  5. +4
    7 January 2023 06: 33
    Then eight rams, built in three columns, went on the attack at once. Black smoke billowed from the chimneys. The sun was shining in the sky, and all the banks of the river were dotted with smart people, hoping to see the battle up close. The most ingenious set up benches along the shore, or even brought them from home, and the seats on them went for one dollar or even more. Stagecoaches with ladies drove up, and gentlemen in top hats arrived on horseback. Immediately there was a trade in beer, pies, thirsty poured lemonade and, of course, whiskey. Many bet on very decent amounts.

    - in general, the rich public had fun, even in those days ... well, you can’t even talk about the current one,
    1. +4
      7 January 2023 13: 20
      During the Crimean War, the St. Petersburg beau monde went to Oranienbaum to watch the English squadron bombard Kronstadt.
  6. +7
    7 January 2023 06: 57
    Thank you. I was impressed by the mortar on the deck of the SCHOON. How did the design of this small boat withstand the force of recoil? It would be interesting to know how long these boats lasted ...
    1. +6
      7 January 2023 08: 48
      Quote: svp67
      Thank you. I was impressed by the mortar on the deck of the SCHOON. How did the design of this small boat withstand the force of recoil? It would be interesting to know how long these boats lasted ...

      A special wooden set of columns, braces and struts under the gun. Known since the days of bombardment ships, galleos and sloops. Moreover, the Americans used a simplified French design for large gunboats. Above I posted some photos from the books.
    2. +6
      7 January 2023 09: 04
      Dear Sergey! I had an article here about bomb rafts. "Bomb rafts, Military Review, Shpakovsky" - type in a search engine.
      1. +5
        7 January 2023 09: 37

        Dixie's floating battery! Those and others started with them!!!
  7. +2
    7 January 2023 07: 13
    "In general, for someone it was a mortal battle, but for someone it was a very profitable business and an exciting sight."
    - everlasting conclusion. Well, except now you can safely like the moment you like;)
  8. +5
    7 January 2023 07: 44
    Liked it, Vyacheslav Olegovich!

    The task was carried out even by improvised means.
    But, watching all this from a bench is beyond comprehension.

    It is not at all like the help of women in the defense of Sevastopol in the Crimean War. However, the history is too diverse.
    1. +7
      7 January 2023 08: 46
      But, watching all this from a bench is beyond comprehension.

      Yes, it doesn't fit in my head. I immediately remembered the tops of the mouths on both banks of the river at the time of the shelling from the tanks of the White House. Time passes, but the herd remains the herd.
      1. +6
        7 January 2023 09: 03
        Was at that time at the training camp, near Kovrov. No information - what's going on. There were no mobile phones.

        They took us, after some time, to make a call to Moscow relatives. There was no increase in clarity.
        1. +6
          7 January 2023 09: 18
          I was just in Moscow, a stone's throw from the White House. But for me they were all smeared with the same world: those who sat in the House, and those who smoked them out of there. A textbook example: "The gentlemen are fighting, and the serfs' forelocks are cracking."
          1. +4
            7 January 2023 09: 20
            But 1993: the shooting of the White House is already quite a turning point. And I do not understand what excuses can be.

            You see, even here we got to the sore point. Although thirty years have passed.
            1. +3
              7 January 2023 13: 06
              You see, even here we got to the sore point.


              So in the article we are talking about the Civil War. request
              1. +1
                7 January 2023 17: 21
                Are they all the same?

                But why in such numbers, in every lane,
                initially infinite, and just in relation to me?
                1. +1
                  7 January 2023 17: 36
                  Are they all the same?


                  Different, but the essence is the same. negative

                  Red, green, gold,
                  Everyone has the same head, just like mine.
                  1. +1
                    7 January 2023 17: 58
                    And wore me like an autumn leaf.
                    I changed names, I changed cities.
                    I breathed the dust of overseas roads
                    Where the flowers do not smell, the moon did not shine.
                    1. Fat
                      +1
                      9 January 2023 01: 02
                      Oh, how I love the moment when everything starts.
                      I use the thing of my favorite poet .... It will help in coloring an obvious thought. I love, friends, such a thing - coloring. The grandchildren showed the picture and we take pencils ...
                      In a dark glass bottle
                      from imported beer
                      rose red bloomed
                      proudly and leisurely.
                      Historical novel
                      I wrote a little
                      breaking through like a mist
                      from prologue to epilogue.
                      Everyone writes what he hears
                      everyone hears how he breathes,
                      as he breathes, so he writes,
                      not trying to please ...
                      So nature wanted
                      Why is none of our business
                      why, it is not for us to judge.
                      Were given doves
                      there was imagination in abundance.
                      And from my own destiny
                      I pulled out a thread.
                      Equipped heroes on the way,
                      made inquiries about the past
                      and retired Lieutenant
                      imagined myself.
                      Fiction is not deception.
                      The idea is not the end.
                      Let me write a novel
                      to the last leaf.
                      And still alive
                      red rose in a bottle
                      let me shout out the words
                      that have been in the piggy bank for a long time.
    2. +4
      7 January 2023 09: 15
      Quote from Korsar4
      It is not at all like the help of women in the defense of Sevastopol in the Crimean War.

      They helped in other cases and just as selflessly!
    3. +5
      7 January 2023 09: 36
      Quote from Korsar4
      It is not at all like the help of women in the defense of Sevastopol in the Crimean War.

      It depends where. Our metropolitan public was also going to stare at Sir Napier's squadron.
      1. +4
        7 January 2023 10: 10
        Quote: Senior Sailor
        Our metropolitan public was also going to stare at Sir Napier's squadron

        And not only with us. A whole crowd of onlookers watched the battle at La Plata from the shore, the Battle of Jutland also attracted the attention of the Danes. And, it seems, the Icelanders also saw the battle of the battleship "Bismarck" with the English squadron ...
      2. +5
        7 January 2023 10: 10
        Sir Napier's campaign in the Baltic was more than unsuccessful.
    4. +4
      7 January 2023 16: 20
      Quote from Korsar4
      watching it all from the bench

      Read the story of the steamboat explosion in Halifax in 1914, when a lot of people gathered to look at the empty burning steamer dragged into the harbor with a load of explosives ... the official figure was 2600 killed, and journalists unearthed that one funeral home had made 3200 grave plates.
      1. +3
        7 January 2023 17: 22
        Thank you. If so, I'll definitely check it out.
  9. +11
    7 January 2023 09: 33
    As for the guns in the illustrations. As far as I understand, on the first gun Dahlgren, on the second Rodman. Both cast iron and bottle shaped.
    1. +9
      7 January 2023 10: 35
      ...and bottled.


      A bottle ... well, where can you get away from it. laughing Merry Christmas! drinks
      1. +5
        7 January 2023 14: 04

        Brook Confederate battleship rifled gun, 6.4 inches (if I'm not mistaken).
        1. +4
          7 January 2023 15: 36
          No, it doesn’t pull on a bottle, that’s why we lost the war. laughing drinks

        2. +2
          7 January 2023 20: 40
          Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
          Brook Confederate battleship rifled gun, 6.4 inches (if I'm not mistaken).

          She, hearty, she!
      2. +6
        7 January 2023 14: 18
        Kostya, let me join! )))
        Everyone - Merry Christmas!
        The article is beyond praise. The style of a youth educational magazine, the text is read in one breath, despite the fact that it is replete with technical details. There is even an element of entertainment to attract the attention of the public - this is the style of the newspapers of the era described, what a skill!
        Respect to Vyacheslav Olegovich!
        Against the background of grinding or obscure opuses of other respected Authors, this is an example of how articles should be written. Hence the excellent comments. For the first time in a long time, I read everything without a sour or pained expression on my face. Otherwise, you read it, and you have to put the physiognomy almost with your hands from the acid look wassat )))
        In general, I am grateful - both to the Author and to the wonderful commentators! )))
        1. +5
          7 January 2023 17: 23
          Happy Christmas!

          Why not join in the good words?
  10. 0
    7 January 2023 17: 37
    engineer John Eads, a well-known specialist in river shipbuilding, signed a contract with the army, under which he undertook to not only prepare a project for 65 days, but also build as many as seven armed river gunboats. And ... fulfilled all the conditions of the contract,

    With us, such a quick-witted shutryak would never have won a tender under 44 Federal Laws, or Kudrin would have found, as the head of the Accounts Chamber, violations of the laws lobbied by them, as the Minister of Finance, and the lad would have been imprisoned, unambiguously.
    Or would you get into a fatal accident - after all, according to statistics, everyone has such a chance?
  11. +1
    7 January 2023 23: 33
    Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Gorgeous Vyacheslav!
    It turned out that the gunboat Karandolet, which approached him first, could shoot at him only from three bow guns, while 15 were fired at her from the fort! Having received damage, she was forced to retreat, but other ships took her place, some of which risked approaching the fort by only 100 meters. But, as it turned out, at this distance, the cores pierced the armor. On one of the gunboats, the cannonball blew off the heads of five sailors at once, and one of its guns was broken.

    Most researchers blame the American gunboat captains, who, using their speed, got ahead of the slow armadillos and got stuck like “chickens in a pluck”.
    However, it must be remembered that both fronts of the participants in the US Civil War were simply not ready to fight on the rivers. The artillery of the southerners in the forts was a hodgepodge of field and land fortress cannons with single inclusions of guns taken from coastal fortresses. All of them were smooth-bore and muzzle-loading.
    As a reference, a 12 pound shot will not penetrate a 1/2 yard wood bead, an 18 pound shot will not penetrate a 2/3 yard, a 24 pound shot will not penetrate a yard. Therefore, most of the ships of the Napoleonic wars were armed with 36-pound guns and in the aggregate carried a meter-long layer of side plating at the level of battery decks.
    By the way, we violated the parity of "armor" and "core" - by using 64-pound bomb cannons in the Synopsis battle. Although it must be admitted that 36 pound "grandmothers" were enough for Turkish frigates!


    Thanks for the detailed addition!
  12. +1
    8 January 2023 20: 46
    If it is correct to write in Russian, then "little by little".
  13. 0
    6 March 2023 19: 32
    There was no popcorn back then, but a beer fight like this isn't bad either.