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The head of the DPR commented on the blow inflicted by the Armed Forces of Ukraine on Russian servicemen in Makeevka

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The head of the DPR commented on the blow inflicted by the Armed Forces of Ukraine on Russian servicemen in Makeevka

The head of the DPR, Denis Pushilin, subjected to another attack by the Ukrainian TsPSO, commented on the Ukrainian strike on a vocational school in Makeevka, which killed dozens of Russian servicemen. Recall that the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation recognized the fact of one-time irretrievable losses, citing the current number of 89 people. The numbers do not appear to be definitive as search and rescue efforts continue at the site of the strike.


Denis Pushilin noted that in the DPR they know firsthand what it means to bear losses, as well as what real heroism is. The head of the republic writes that many Russian servicemen who were in Makeevka showed real heroism and courage.

Denis Pushilin writes:

Most of them, barely getting out of the building damaged by the American Hymers, came to their senses a little and returned back to pull out their comrades. Then, when the employees of the Ministry of Emergency Situations arrived, they helped them to save the rest. They helped by risking their lives. And some of the dead are those who died when they returned to save their colleagues.

Meanwhile, experts of various levels, along with people who call themselves experts, are analyzing the tragedy in Makiivka. The analysis concerns allegations that many military personnel used mobile phones to communicate with each other and with relatives, which allowed the enemy to quickly locate such signals. The analysis also concerns the one who gave the order to place several units in fact in one building.

Not without analysis weapon, which was used by the enemy to strike.

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  1. StarWarrior
    StarWarrior 4 January 2023 12: 29
    +44
    The reason for such tragedies is criminal negligence, complete personal irresponsibility of commanders.
    As long as the commanders are sure that for the deaths of tens and hundreds of subordinates, their worst will be easily reprimanded or transferred to another place - such tragedies will be repeated without end.
    Until there is truly Stalinist discipline and personal responsibility according to the laws of wartime at the front and in the rear, Russia will not be victorious.
    1. dmi.pris1
      dmi.pris1 4 January 2023 12: 32
      +33
      I want to note that this is a repetition of what has already been passed. The first to die were the Akhmat fighters, and not only them. For some reason, the lesson did not benefit
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 4 January 2023 12: 45
        +21
        Quote from: dmi.pris1
        Why didn't the lesson work?

        But those responsible for these tragedies did not receive their due, so they did not draw any conclusions! Vaughn Rogozin thought of D.R. celebrate in a restaurant in Donetsk - that's the congratulations from the Natsiks!
      2. fruc
        fruc 4 January 2023 12: 49
        +1
        The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation acknowledged the fact of one-time irretrievable losses, citing the current figure of 89 people.

        Dill give a figure of 400-570 fighters, including 11 officers, where such confidence in the number comes from, all this is subject to investigation and analysis.
        1. Guran33 Sergey
          Guran33 Sergey 4 January 2023 13: 09
          +6
          the extreme figure is ninety-six .. excavations continue. eternal memory ..During civil wars there are no traitors, there are us and them.
        2. abduhalim71
          abduhalim71 4 January 2023 16: 14
          +1
          It is unfortunate that such a loss. But the Ukropovs have their own mathematics, out of 50 missiles they sell 60. Therefore, their data is also dubious
      3. ABC-schutze
        ABC-schutze 4 January 2023 13: 55
        +1
        Well, here's an easy answer...

        Because the "responsible comrades" lack the ability, skills (and ATIVE desire ...) to predict in advance the development of the situation and TIMELY to take (or propose ...) adequate measures to reduce risks and prevent threats ...

        After all, with the MASS "appearance of mobile phones" and other "iPhones" among personnel of all levels, and the corresponding appearance on the Web or in the media, criminal "leaks" of information on the movement and deployment of troops and assets, IT IS LONG TIME:

        - already a combined arms unit at the level of a battalion (or a company ...), and not to mention a unit or a "separate" unit at all, STARTING FROM THE MOMENT OF RECEIVING THE ORDER (commands, orders ...) to be promoted, to attach a post of radio technical control of the military counterintelligence of the FSB;

        - whose task will be to monitor the "abnormal" work of ALL regular radio equipment of a combined arms (I emphasize ...) unit, as well as the possible work of "abnormal" personal radio equipment left by personnel of ANY LEVEL, for PERSONAL use, despite the existing one;

        - maintaining the aforementioned control, starting from the moment the unit is assembled and moved to the designated area (point) throughout the entire route, during the deployment of the unit in the designated area (especially the front line ...), blocking (suppressing) the work of the mentioned " non-standard" means or "non-standard" work of regular means, identifying the perpetrators, transferring them to military counterintelligence agencies for investigation, followed, if necessary, by the military prosecutor's office initiating a criminal case, for transfer to a military tribunal.
        1. ABC-schutze
          ABC-schutze 4 January 2023 14: 29
          +3
          By the way, in the context of "responsible comrades" ...

          All this "badyaga" with leaks through "mobile phones-iPhones" of personnel (including mobilized ones ...) has been dragging on for MINIMUM NINE YEARS.

          Since the start of the operation to return Crimea to Russia...

          All sorts of "orders", "instructions", "reminders" and other "military-administrative" fuss, for reporting "on the response" and "files in a folder" for verification by "superior bosses" and "commissions", have been spawned, presumably, to hell ...

          But, real, adequate "material" actions aimed at the banal TIMELY and not dependent on potential "disciplinary dislocations" of personal sotsava, blocking the mentioned threats comes out - zero ...
          1. cat Rusich
            cat Rusich 4 January 2023 18: 36
            +2
            Quote: ABC-schütze
            By the way, in the context of "responsible comrades" ...

            All this "badyaga" with leaks through "mobile phones-iPhones" of personnel (including mobilized ones ...) has been dragging on for MINIMUM NINE YEARS.
            ..
            Already in the Five-Day War on 08.08.08, Georgian artillery aimed at ringing mobile phones - then the military justified themselves by the lack of normal communication on army radios, journalists simply took risks in their reports on their mobile phones - they had no other means of communication.
            sad
          2. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 4 January 2023 20: 02
            0
            Quote: ABC-schütze
            All this "badyaga" with leaks through "mobile phones-iPhones" of personnel (including mobilized ones ...) has been dragging on for MINIMUM NINE YEARS.

            Yes... that's for sure! I remember the year 2014... Donbass... And then the militias (and the Armed Forces of Ukraine often...) used cellular communications with might and main! There was a reason for this ... the lack of military communications (and indeed ... high-quality communications ...) of the militia units. And already at that time there were numerous cases of interception of "cellular" conversations and a notch of coordinates. Where were the conversations from!
    2. YOUR
      YOUR 4 January 2023 13: 25
      +10
      These words - every accident has a surname, name, patronymic - Kaganovich said after he was appointed People's Commissar of Railways. At that time, sabotage on the railway went off scale, even the word convention was invented, as soon as the convention was announced, all work on the railway stopped. After a couple of days, as he was appointed People's Commissar, the paths were covered with snow, the leadership announced a convention. Koganovich was a little surprised and announced the terms that the heads of various levels would receive if the paths were not cleared. Cleared. Further, a large number of accidents on the railway, constant train delays for several months, suddenly, and for some reason, everything changed for the better.
      There are not enough leaders like this.
      1. Poplar
        Poplar 4 January 2023 20: 26
        +1
        In my opinion, the point is not in the leader, but in the system. Then there was a system of responsibility, incl. and senior leaders, now there is no such system.
    3. Comrade_X
      Comrade_X 4 January 2023 15: 44
      +1
      In fact, L. Kaganovich is considered the author of the catchphrase.
  2. Luka Nord
    Luka Nord 4 January 2023 12: 29
    +8
    Rest in peace to the dead and death to the traitors who put them in such a jeopardy .. We will avenge you!
    1. fruc
      fruc 4 January 2023 12: 51
      -8
      LukaNord:...We will avenge you!

      I am sure that we will take revenge, painfully, mercilessly and wisely. Now let them wait "surprises"
      1. topol717
        topol717 4 January 2023 13: 48
        +2
        Quote: frruc
        I am sure that we will take revenge, it hurts, mercilessly and wisely

        Do not wishful thinking.
        10 months and things are only getting worse. Well, with the mind at all makes you smile. Have you seen it anywhere with your mind? Or is the flight from Izyum and Kherson wisely? Or is a frontal assault on positions also wise? Stupid military generals give orders there, who graduated from command schools, in which they teach based on the experience of the 2nd World War. And these generals, at best, have experience in the war against the Busurmans in Syria. And NATO is fighting there, with satellite intelligence.
    2. fruc
      fruc 4 January 2023 13: 23
      -7
      Some ukrozadye cattle are minus here.
      1. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 4 January 2023 15: 32
        -2
        Quote: frruc
        Some ukrozadye cattle are minus here.

        Here their herds graze .. They feed on shekels and hryvnias, and yes, many disguise themselves with comments, it seems to be ours, but there is no speck of shit on top of the cap at the end of the squeezed out comment ... A kind of smelly zest from a Ukrainian Israeli patriot.
        1. sagitovich
          sagitovich 5 January 2023 04: 43
          0
          Yes, FIG, these minuses, like children right!
          You worry about + -, as if for these tic-tac-toe you get real titles with money
          reward.
          A modern way of self-affirmation?
  3. Egeny
    Egeny 4 January 2023 12: 34
    +3
    who gave the order to place several units in fact in one building.

    Pushilin - "servicemen used mobile phones to communicate with each other and with relatives,"
    Those. not him, they are to blame. Quiet horror.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 4 January 2023 12: 54
      +3
      Quote from Egeni
      Those. not him, they are to blame. Quiet horror.

      unfortunately not a quiet horror, but a fact of irresponsibility and indifference
      idiotic, no other way to call it
      we don’t go to the toilet without phones
      1. Sebostyuan
        Sebostyuan 4 January 2023 13: 43
        +3
        What's wrong with the military using the phone? Why can't a person communicate with relatives?
        It is necessary to make an encrypted army Internet and closed programs for communicating separately with relatives, separately with comrades-in-arms. Under this develop personal gadgets.

        That's what you need to think about, and not about prohibitions. And think before you give moronic orders: Line up planes in a row or populate all in one place.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 4 January 2023 14: 00
          -8
          Quote from Sebostyuan
          What's wrong with the military using the phone?

          victim of the exam?!!!
          Quote from Sebostyuan
          Why can't a person communicate with relatives?


          Have you forgotten how to write buttons?
          Quote from Sebostyuan
          It is necessary to make an encrypted army Internet and closed programs for communicating separately with relatives, separately with comrades-in-arms. Under this develop personal gadgets.

          May I know what your education is?
          Quote from Sebostyuan
          Or put them all in one place.

          and you propose to settle 5 people in a dugout with a gap of 5-6 km?
          Excuse me, did you even finish 8 classes?!
    2. fruc
      fruc 4 January 2023 12: 58
      +3
      Egeny....i.e. not him, they are to blame. Quiet horror.

      Many of my familiar officers, colleagues went there, everyone was ordered to hand over the mob. phones. With some there was no contact for several months. Why they weren't taken away, I don't understand. Adult people, who were trained and instructed, behaved incorrectly, ruined themselves and their comrades too.
      1. YOUR
        YOUR 4 January 2023 13: 32
        +4
        Another thing is not clear, where does cellular communication come from in the free zone? For all sorts of spies, saboteurs spread raspberries. There is no need to look for ways to communicate, you can always transfer information by typing it in the same WhatsApp or transfer photos, video files of equipment from places of deployment, etc., via the Internet.
        I can’t believe it, it means our leadership, those who are obliged to follow this, drink vodka and do nothing. Where are the army counterintelligence agencies, where are the territorial agencies of the FSB? I can’t believe that such a thing exists, I can’t believe that’s all.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 4 January 2023 13: 35
          -1
          Quote: YOUR
          those who are obliged to follow this vodka drink and do nothing.

          what don't they do?
          unfortunately the reality is that there is not only fighting but also modern life with all the shortcomings in the form of tyrnets and mobile phones
          1. YOUR
            YOUR 4 January 2023 13: 44
            +1
            There is a Presidential Decree of May 6, 2020 No. 308 which prohibits military personnel from carrying any technical equipment
            which allow using the information and telecommunications network "Internet" to distribute or provide audio, photo, video materials and geolocation data

            Telephones are not allowed.
            Some undisclosed enemy came to the office, pulled out a cell phone and click, click, click secret documents and immediately them to their owners. DO NOT HAVE A CELL PHONE IN THE SERVICE.
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            what don't they do?

            What don't they do? They don't make sure there are no phones.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 4 January 2023 14: 01
              -1
              Quote: YOUR

              What don't they do? They don't make sure there are no phones.

              personally the head of the general staff?
              1. YOUR
                YOUR 4 January 2023 14: 59
                +1
                Immediate commanders and special counterintelligence departments
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 4 January 2023 20: 50
                  0
                  Quote: YOUR
                  Immediate commanders and special departments of counterintelligence

                  I won't argue here
        2. Chronos
          Chronos 4 January 2023 19: 28
          -1
          Quote: YOUR
          Another thing is not clear, where does cellular communication come from in the free zone? For all sorts of spies, saboteurs spread raspberries. There is no need to look for ways to communicate, you can always transfer information by typing it in the same WhatsApp or transfer photos, video files of equipment from places of deployment, etc., via the Internet.
          I can’t believe it, it means our leadership, those who are obliged to follow this, drink vodka and do nothing. Where are the army counterintelligence agencies, where are the territorial agencies of the FSB? I can’t believe that such a thing exists, I can’t believe that’s all.

          Because cellular communication is also used by our aircraft. For example, for the prompt transmission of intelligence data to artillerymen via telegrams. In order to seize all smartphones or massively jam cellular communications in the database zone, you need to establish communications in the troops, for a start.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 4 January 2023 20: 51
            0
            Quote: Chronos
            In order to seize all smartphones or massively jam cellular communications in the database zone, you need to establish communications in the troops, for a start.

            for this it is enough for the "counters" to start working
          2. YOUR
            YOUR 5 January 2023 02: 42
            +1
            Six months ago, an acquaintance returned from the NWO, so the acquaintance can be said to be capped. Major signalman, returned because demobilized. Retired with no problem. Nevertheless, over a glass of tea, he told some things. Our troops do not use cellular communications; radio stations are enough for this. Do not invent any nonsense.
    3. mister-red
      mister-red 4 January 2023 13: 01
      0
      Quote from Egeni
      who gave the order to place several units in fact in one building.

      Pushilin - "servicemen used mobile phones to communicate with each other and with relatives,"
      Those. not him, they are to blame. Quiet horror.

      Firstly, Pushilin is not the commander of these units
      And yes, the soldiers themselves are also to blame. But the commanders are even more to blame for not making their mobile phones turn off.
      And it seems to me that in such cases it is necessary to put jammers
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 4 January 2023 13: 17
        +2

        And it seems to me that in such cases it is necessary to become jammers
        enter an article, found a mobile phone - aiding the enemy in combat conditions, two or three half-witted people will be indicatively rolled up on a tag, the rest will start thinking and studying the epistolary genre
        1. My doctor
          My doctor 4 January 2023 14: 17
          +7
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          enter an article, found a mobile phone - aiding the enemy in combat conditions, two or three half-witted people will be indicatively rolled up on a tag, the rest will start thinking and studying the epistolary genre

          Are you sure there were cell phones? Maybe there weren’t any, but there was a tip from the locals? It's one thing when the type themselves are to blame, and quite another when when some kind of aunt pointed.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 4 January 2023 14: 22
            0
            Quote: MyVrach
            Are you sure there were cell phones?

            unfortunately were
            1. Chronos
              Chronos 4 January 2023 19: 29
              0
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              Quote: MyVrach
              Are you sure there were cell phones?

              unfortunately were

              Even if they were, the blow was clearly delivered to the totality of data, including UAVs and undercover intelligence.
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 4 January 2023 20: 52
                0
                Quote: Chronos
                Even if there were

                yes, in aggregate, only now the crowd of people shone with their mobile phones on the air like a New Year tree on Red Square
      2. topol717
        topol717 4 January 2023 13: 53
        +1
        Quote: mister-red
        And yes, the soldiers themselves are also to blame.

        What is the soldier's fault?
        They were given an order, we settle there, they fulfill it.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 4 January 2023 14: 22
          +2
          Quote from: topol717
          They were given an order, we settle there, they fulfill it.

          there was another order to ban the use of smartphones, I would ban mobile phones altogether
          1. vlad2000
            vlad2000 4 January 2023 15: 59
            -1
            what else do you forbid sitting in a warm apartment on the couch?) you see a narrow-minded person like most here. they can kill prisoners’ mobiles or jam the zones. although it would seem something easier)) but do you think that free people can check the availability of phones .... well, don’t be ridiculous socks
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 4 January 2023 20: 49
              0
              Quote: vlad2000
              what else can you forbid sitting in a warm apartment on the couch

              poke the boy you'll be yourself, the scary ones are referred to as "YOU"
              Quote: vlad2000
              you seem to be a distant person

              unlike you, I just know how to think, having a smartphone in your pocket means that someone who has the opportunity knows where you are, what you say, and if you wish, what you see
              Quote: vlad2000
              and you think that free people should check the availability of phones .... well, don’t be ridiculous socks

              Do you know why in the Great Patriotic War the letters formed a triangle?
              Quote: vlad2000
              in locked cells where a raid is carried out once a week, people have mobile phones

              Lord, it becomes scary for our future if young people have a zero thought process, boy, "if the stars are lit, then someone needs it" and finally learn to think, and not rant about ephemeral freedom
  4. forty-eighth
    forty-eighth 4 January 2023 12: 35
    +18
    Saucers with large stars are trying to shift the responsibility to the soldiers. As expected
    1. StarWarrior
      StarWarrior 4 January 2023 12: 41
      +3
      Because they are covered at the very top, where decisions are made
      1. fruc
        fruc 4 January 2023 13: 30
        0
        StarWarrior ...Because they are covered at the very top, where decisions are made

        Comrade, how do you know that they are being covered or you are deliberately doing such stuffing. AND?
      2. topol717
        topol717 4 January 2023 13: 55
        0
        Quote from StarWarrior
        Because they are covered at the very top, where decisions are made

        You've confused effect and cause.
        They know how to get out of such situations, so they are at the top.
        And not vice versa.
    2. fruc
      fruc 4 January 2023 13: 02
      -1
      forty eighth....as expected

      What do you expect? You cannot assign a controller with the rank of general to each fighter. The fact that they were placed in the wrong place and allowed a feast is one thing, but the fact that they did not comply with the order to surrender the mob. phones is different.
    3. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 4 January 2023 13: 18
      +1
      Quote: forty-eighth
      Platters with big stars are trying to shift the responsibility to the soldiers

      maybe the soldiers will start to think with their heads and not with a smartphone?
    4. Chronos
      Chronos 4 January 2023 19: 31
      0
      Quote: forty-eighth
      Saucers with large stars are trying to shift the responsibility to the soldiers. As expected

      Let's not spout nonsense. The MO did not state this. If mobilized soldiers massively use mobile phones and violate orders, their commanders are to blame.
  5. old
    old 4 January 2023 12: 38
    +16
    Pushilin did not say what lies on the surface, but Liberation did not disdain: "The bombardment, which led to massive losses in the ranks of the Russian army, increases doubts about the competence of the General Staff ..".
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 4 January 2023 13: 20
      -1
      Quote: old
      reinforces doubts about the competence of the General Staff

      there are a lot of questions to the general staff, but what he definitely shouldn’t be doing is checking whether the soldiers handed over their mobile phones or not
      1. old
        old 4 January 2023 13: 49
        +3
        there are a lot of questions to the general staff, but what he definitely shouldn’t be doing is checking whether the soldiers handed over their mobile phones or not

        The soldiers should not do well, but there are questions about the competence of the one who decided to place 300 personnel in one place, the coordinates of which are well known to the enemy, within the reach of his weapons.
        1. Chronos
          Chronos 4 January 2023 19: 38
          0
          Quote: old
          there are a lot of questions to the general staff, but what he definitely shouldn’t be doing is checking whether the soldiers handed over their mobile phones or not

          The soldiers should not do well, but there are questions about the competence of the one who decided to place 300 personnel in one place, the coordinates of which are well known to the enemy, within the reach of his weapons.

          It's all good. In theory. That's just where to place plus 300 people in one unfortunate Makeevka. Yes, disperse so that later you can quickly assemble (hello to our communication system). Khkhkhly also come across in dispositions under our blows. This means that it is not so easy to correctly accommodate 300 people. In fact, the problem is complex and systemic. The authorities of the DPR did not finalize without evacuating the local population, which would allow more buildings to be transferred to the military. Did not show zeal in the deployment of soldiers and their commanders. And here questions are for the headquarters of the 1AK, and for many people. To reduce everything to morons-generals, whom to change all and everything will work out, to simplify the problem.
        2. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 4 January 2023 20: 54
          -1
          Quote: old
          accommodate 300 personnel in one place

          Excuse me, but how should they be placed?
          one per hectare?
          1. Sergei N 58912062
            Sergei N 58912062 5 January 2023 05: 04
            0
            Vasilenko Vladimir, ideally, people should have been placed dispersed in places protected from shelling. Or at least focus. And not to concentrate everyone in one building, unprotected from shelling.
  6. Planem
    Planem 4 January 2023 12: 40
    +11
    There is no heroism here. And there is criminal negligence, irresponsibility and incompetence of a number of commanders and chiefs of the RF Armed Forces, starting, probably, from the brigade commander / deputy commander and ending with the Minister of Defense.
    1. StarWarrior
      StarWarrior 4 January 2023 12: 48
      +1
      Demote all the commanders in this sector of the front by one rank, directly guilty - to the tribunal!
      1. Guran33 Sergey
        Guran33 Sergey 4 January 2023 13: 12
        -2
        Someone under the tribunal, they also died under the ruins ...
        1. fruc
          fruc 4 January 2023 13: 20
          +3
          Guran33 Sergey: .... Someone under the tribunal - they also died under the ruins ...

          This doesn't happen. There is a rear service, armament, quartering, command from above - "hillocks". Someone will still be found extreme, the resonance turned out to be loud.
          1. Chronos
            Chronos 4 January 2023 19: 40
            0
            Quote: frruc
            Guran33 Sergey: .... Someone under the tribunal - they also died under the ruins ...

            This doesn't happen. There is a rear service, armament, quartering, command from above - "hillocks". Someone will still be found extreme, the resonance turned out to be loud.

            So it is necessary not to look for extremes, but to eliminate the causes. To not be like this anymore.
            1. Sergei N 58912062
              Sergei N 58912062 5 January 2023 05: 09
              0
              Chronos must do both. The culprits must be found and punished according to the laws of war. And henceforth it is necessary to place people dispersed in places protected from shelling.
  7. Bayun
    Bayun 4 January 2023 12: 53
    0
    Blessed memory of the fallen!

    It is reasonable to disperse fighters by families in residential buildings in front-line cities. For 1-2 guests, many will voluntarily rent a corner. And if people pay extra for the military quarters, there will be no problem at all.

    General collection - before the start of the database at the point. Or transportation by private vehicles to minibuses. A truck or bus with drugs is already a tasty target for the enemy.

    Over the year of the DB, this should have become self-evident. The time of regimental formations in the front line and barracks for thousands of people is in the PAST!
    1. Winnie76
      Winnie76 4 January 2023 13: 14
      +2
      Quote: Bayun
      For 1-2 guests, many will voluntarily rent a corner.

      Can you imagine the size of hemorrhoids to collect them later? At least a company
      1. old
        old 4 January 2023 13: 59
        +3
        Can you imagine the size of hemorrhoids to collect them later? At least a company

        Hemorrhoids are bad, but clearly better than Hymars, after whose arrival there will be no one (and no one) to collect
  8. iouris
    iouris 4 January 2023 13: 01
    +1
    Obvious negligence (or...?)
    Even when the United States promised to use reconnaissance-strike systems (RUK), for those who understand how it works, the enormous danger that they pose and the risks was obvious. These risks should be multiplied by a factor (greater than one), taking into account the level of discipline and disguise. In terms of its power, RUK can only be compared with tactical nuclear weapons. Now calculate the consequences of a massive strike from the adjacent territories of Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Finland.
    I draw your attention to the fact that "points of temporary accommodation" in the Republic of Belarus and permanent deployment are also in great danger. In order to neutralize the advantage of the enemy, it is necessary either to paralyze his satellites and air reconnaissance means, or to constantly maneuver.
    Or threaten and strike back and forth against the US and Britain. With the help of such "devices" it is possible to shoot troops in the rear areas as in a shooting range. Yes, a little expensive (if you look from our bell tower).
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 4 January 2023 13: 21
      +1
      Quote: iouris
      Now calculate the consequences of a massive strike from the adjacent territories of Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Finland.

      what is there to count?
      this will lead to a nuclear strike
  9. Beagle
    Beagle 4 January 2023 13: 04
    0
    In the vastness of YouTube, and just the Internet, different versions of what happened are walking ... They say that the Sims were not Ukrainian there. The ukrov had no operators and access to communication towers .. And this means that someone leaked all the information to them .. Well, the mobilized were stationed there far from one or two days .. So it was not difficult to calculate them .. And in general, there are a lot of all sorts of nuances ..
  10. Simple
    Simple 4 January 2023 13: 27
    +1
    I have two questions:
    How did you catch this Hymers?
    And is it possible to use this "image" routinely, without 100+ victims?
  11. Lako
    Lako 4 January 2023 13: 52
    0
    I looked at reports on emergency situations in Russia after the celebration of the New Year. Firecrackers, fireworks and other crap fly into houses with direct fire, set fire to balconies. Irresponsibility and hope for a chance, implicated in an unhealthy treason. This is the current day in Russia. What is in the rear, what is at the front.
  12. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 4 January 2023 13: 52
    +1
    The indifference and pre-New Year's relaxation of superiors + assistance for missile guidance from the "sleeping" local opponents of the DPR led to such losses. Who is responsible for this?
  13. hhurik
    hhurik 4 January 2023 14: 46
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    Quote: Guran33 Sergey
    Someone under the tribunal, they also died under the ruins ...

    And there are no tribunals for a long time. And the prosecutor can't initiate criminal cases. Some old farts are unsubscribing.
    But what is interesting to observe is the attempts of interested persons to push their fornication with logistics and placement of l / s onto the victims. I hope the guilty began to pinch the balls - hence such a stir and songs in the swamps, like, the mobiles themselves are to blame.
  14. Amper
    Amper 4 January 2023 14: 51
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    All of the above would be relevant in a war, and the country has been in a state of s-in-o (!?) for 10 months already. A certain HZHP is being implemented, incomprehensible to the people, with obscure goals, constantly changing, with the supply of the enemy with everything, well, almost everything necessary for them to maintain a database !!? At the same time, the guarantor claims that everything is in accordance with the HZhP! No need to worry! Here, no one is worried, does not care and does not think about where he is and what he is doing here! And officials, too, with complete impunity for crimes. HPS continues, what's next? belay
  15. Carlos Hall
    Carlos Hall 4 January 2023 15: 03
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    First of all, my condolences to the families of the victims. God will take them into his bosom. I know that what I'm about to say will get me a lot of downvotes. But I always write honestly and wishing the victory of the Russian army, so that the star-striped Satan does not take over the world and turn it into what is already his hell. 1-Those who turned on their phones, what did they think they were on a field trip? It was an act of extraordinary stupidity. 2-Although the soldiers should have known such an obvious thing by now, it's amazing that no military command would ban them from the mass use of mobile phones 3-Who benefits from spreading the news? Ukrainians broadcast their losses? Who is responsible for Russian intelligence? I believe that there are NATO moles in the highest echelons of intelligence and high command who need to be found and executed.
  16. opuonmed
    opuonmed 4 January 2023 15: 32
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    and why the headquarters in ukrrish work for me, this is not clear!
  17. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 4 January 2023 20: 26
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    No matter what the opposite is said there, but the high monetary "allowance" of the mobilized is essential for them! Therefore, for a long time it was necessary to use the method of punishment with the ruble in the "fight against mobile phones"! The use of cellular detectors in combination with significant (!) Penalties can, if not "eliminate" completely mobile phones in parts, then at least "minimize" illegal mobile communications as much as possible! Also, if you cannot do without "wabche" communications, then it is possible to install office-type mini-automatic telephone exchanges with wired telephones at the locations of subdivisions [it is also possible to use wireless telephones resembling mobile phones (pictocellular network) ...] "Office" automatic telephone exchanges with closed (!) SLs go to the general network ...
  18. Sergei N 58912062
    Sergei N 58912062 5 January 2023 05: 15
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    What kind of idiot concentratedly placed people in a building that was not protected from shelling? The culprits must be found and punished according to the laws of war!
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  20. the same doctor
    the same doctor 5 January 2023 17: 51
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    If we continue to get wet, then similar blows await our indigenous cities. The Bandera regime must be destroyed. Enough liberalism at the front. Stop destroying scrap metal, destroy the manpower of the enemy.
  21. AlexWar
    AlexWar 5 January 2023 20: 02
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    When asked why they were settled there, there is no answer? Recently, Rogozin got hit in Donetsk. And here it happened again. Irresponsibility in the army, the chief of staff should be responsible for such deployment. You understand they were offered to settle down there. Apparently not where. Why then send them there?