Kombrig "Vostok" Khodakovsky: Some high-ranking commanders continue to think in terms of the times of the Soviet army

Some commanders of the Russian troops do not want to change their habitual way of life, transferring it to the zone of a special military operation, which leads to losses in personnel. This statement was made by the commander of the Vostok brigade, Alexander Khodakovsky, in his TG channel, commenting on the death of the Russian military in Makeevka.

According to Khodakovsky, who has been fighting since 2014, the problem of deploying personnel has not gone away, some high-ranking commanders continue to think in terms of the Soviet army, not taking into account that modern weapons systems allow strikes deep into the defense. The fact that the enemy would certainly strike at the location of the personnel in Makeevka was clear to everyone, except for those who placed them there.

Khodakovsky wonders why some Russian army commanders are reluctant to use the experience of the Donetsk and Lugansk militias gained since 2014, and at the expense of heavy losses. The DPR and LPR learned from their mistakes to fight the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but the Russian generals, here we are not talking about everyone, for some reason chose to ignore the experience gained.

One thing is bad: the commanders also strive to minimize their responsibility and put themselves in a state of economy - there are few real violent ones, so there are no leaders ...

- wrote Khodakovsky

Earlier, the commander of the "Vostok" said that the enemy knows very well the location of the personnel of the Russian units. Decisions on the placement of the Russian military in the building of the Makeevsky vocational school were made in the rear, and not at the front line. Khodakovsky called the decision taken a betrayal and expressed regret that it was not possible to shoot those who made this decision.

Comments

[vovochkarzhevsky]

If the categories of the Soviet army. But alas, everything has long been optimized.

[Tatyana]

Earlier, the Vostok battalion commander said that the enemy knows very well the location of the personnel of the Russian units. Decisions on the placement of the Russian military in the building of the Makeevsky vocational school were made in the rear, and not at the front line. Khodakovsky called the decision taken a betrayal and expressed regret that it was not possible to shoot those who made this decision.

I think so too!

[fruc]

Tatyana
I think so too!

The placement of the Russian military in the building of the Makeevsky vocational school was taken in the rear, and not on the front line.

I don’t think that anyone in the rear and large headquarters knows about some kind of Makeev bird. Most likely, the decision was made on the ground, in the Donetsk fortified area (or at its suggestion). As for the Soviet Army, such an illiterate decision would not have been made. There are no old and experienced officers, and young Russians suddenly decided to allow a feast on New Year's Eve, in an unprotected building at a distance from the enemy in a cannon shot. It's just idiotic.
Still, I would like to see on TV how not only heroes are rewarded, but also how war criminals, thieves, marauders and slobs are brought to justice.

[Tatyana]

Quote: vovochkarzhevsky

If the categories of the Soviet army. But alas, everything has long been optimized.

The optimization of everything is the result of a purely bourgeois so-called. "market" ideology "at the top" in order to monetarize the country's economy (i.e., in pursuit of financial profits) not for the sake of improving the life of the people, as such, but for the sake of improving the life of government officials associated with the redistribution of the country's finances in their favor.

[Sergey Samkov]

Probably the construction of roads, bridges, factories, ships, etc., maternity capital, the stable implementation of social payments - do you not take this into account? You probably don't remember Russian roads and the state of the economy in the 85s - 90s ... When half of the country stood in spontaneous markets on avenues in cities ... I remember.

[Sergej1972]

I would just move the dates. At the beginning of perestroika, approximately in 1985-1988, the economy was more or less normal, there was even a short-term improvement in indicators. Then the difficulties began to mount. But still, the maximum production volume for the entire existence of the USSR was in 1990. Then the decline began. And then the collapse of the Union. As for the roads, in my region their condition is better compared to both the late Soviet (and earlier) period, and the 90s. First of all, this concerns federal highways and regional roads. But there are problems with a number of road sections of intra-district and local significance. Although, in fairness, it is worth recognizing that, on average, the condition of local roads is still better than 20-40 years ago.

[Edward Vashchenko]

Although, in fairness, it is worth recognizing that, on average, the condition of local roads is still better than 20-40 years ago.

So under the USSR there were no iPhones
It is clear that during this time technology has jumped forward.
And what about in New York, where all the streets are patched, the roads are better?
And the vaunted German autobahn, compared to French expressways, is a country road. So what?
The question is always in the complex development of the national economy, and not in individual branches.
The USSR was a spaceship looking into the future, not a cart rolling back to the time of Alexander III.

[Edward Vashchenko]

You don't remember Russian roads and the state of the economy in the 85s - 90s ... When half the country stood in spontaneous markets on avenues in cities ... I remember.

Your memory is bad: in 1985-1989. no one stood in any markets, the roads were adequate for the 80s of the twentieth century, taking into account the country's huge expenditures on the armed forces and weapons, without which it would now be complete seams, after the restoration of the entire European part of the country, defeated during the Second World War, with this raised the level of culture and the material level of the country, which arrived in 1917 in late feudalism.
Do not write nonsense: the GDP of the USSR in world GDP is 16-17%, the Russian Federation - 1,7, here is the result of thirty years of work in the Russian Federation.

[ABC-schutze]

Everything you mentioned is, first of all, not a "merit of the authorities", a direct consequence of the long-term and very favorable situation for the Russian fuel and energy complex and energy exports in foreign markets. Allowed to accumulate a fair amount of capital. Incl. and for the BELATED, especially not "overstraining" the budget, investments in the defense industry, the Armed Forces and the "social sphere" ...

And it would be strange if the authorities, paying attention to their "ratings" and forced to "remember" that, according to the Constitution, Russia is a WELFARE state, neglected such an opportunity ...

However, the RECENT and INSANE LOSS by the Russian authorities, located in the West and stolen from the PEOPLE and the Russian state, SOVEREIGN RESERVES (HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS ...), also accumulated as a result of the aforementioned, favorable conjuncture, is a consequence of the same short-sightedness of the authorities, akin to "relaxation" command, which led to the tragedy in Makiivka...

But ABOUT THIS "merit" short-sighted in the placement of government assets, you, talking about maternity capital, roads, etc., for some reason "forgot" to mention ... But in vain ...

[Amper]

A remarkable feature has taken root in us, comparing today's VERY BAD with yesterday's VERY BAD! Under this motto, they came to: the cruiser Moscow drowned, regrouping in Kherson, 1,5 million uniforms disappeared, the tragedy in Makeevka and so on ... But it could have been worse !!! r / s Roads? Hm, what is it?

[nickname7]

the state of the economy in the 85s - 90s ... When half the country stood in spontaneous markets on avenues in cities.

It was calculated that in the "stagnation" of the 80s there was a 2.5% growth in the economy, if this "stagnation" had continued for 30 years, then today's economy would not have caught up with the 90s, but would have been 2.5 times larger, that's stagnation for you.

[akendrama]

In my city, the economy is still from the 90s, everything is mostly either taxi drivers or they sell everything they can to each other, there are no new enterprises, only ruins. But new roads, park reconstruction, bike paths, etc. But it's all a husk, the main thing is there is no normal work, no factories. My city is Mineralnye Vody, Stavropol Territory.

[topol717]

Quote: Tatiana

The optimization of everything is the result of a purely bourgeois so-called. "market" ideology "at the top" in order to monetarize the country's economy

No need to look for a black cat in a black room.
The officers simply did not think, because there was no command to think. No one thinks, they asked for a building for accommodation, they were shown a free one, they settled in. Think it's not about the military.

[zloybond]

To be precise, inconsistency with the positions held and shoulder straps, not the desire to learn and take into account - everything is treated by demotion and removal from office.

[zenion]

It is possible that they first contacted Ukraine and asked where to deploy troops, what would be convenient for them. Without advice from Ukraine, this would not have been thought of.

[mat-vey]

Quote: frruc

It's just idiotic.

This is complete UNPROFESSIONALISM.

[fruc]

mat-vey ... This is complete UNPROFESSIONALISM.

You can say so + bordering on criminal negligence. This is a CC article.

[ABC-schutze]

And relax is everywhere. For now anyway...

Across the "vertical" - from "lamps to stripes" ...

Indeed, for the unacceptable presence of mobile phones among personnel and their MASS use by personnel, in the area of ​​​​combat operations, in the front line, responsibility is, FIRST OF ALL, not "generals" (on their conscience "accommodation" ...), but JUNIOR COMMANDERS , from the "dresser", to the "castle" and above ...

It is in THEM, literally "in front of their noses", that subordinate banned mobile phones were used for "New Year's greetings" from the place of deployment ...

So, despite the transition to a "professional" service, which will be twenty years old, a professional attitude to the actual organization of service and order, that is, unconditional and complete obedience to the requirements of military discipline, the personnel have absolutely not developed ...

And it is not developed by "increasing official salaries" ...

[antivirus]

Is overexpenditure of shovels and berets a crime?
You can't pay, you can save a lot for promotion not up to Lviv.
We live in peacetime, there is no war!
Its not a war. Failure outside the live firing range. And point.
In May, lawyers could talk loudly about such a legal incident. They are silent. Not about indexes of the stock exchange and insurance. But how much did they talk about the legality of paid parking?

[Gvardeetz77]

As for the Soviet Army, such an illiterate decision would not have been made. There are no more old and experienced officers, and young Russians suddenly decided to allow a feast on New Year's Eve, in an unprotected building at a distance from the enemy in a cannon shot. It's just idiotic.

The commander of this regiment is quite an old officer, still from the Union. If the development of military art bypassed the leaders in the service, then it is foolish to expect that those in the reserve studied all the new trends and live on the knowledge of the last century

[Senator Om]

The colonel finished school when the USSR collapsed.

[fruc]

Gvardeetz77:.... The commander of this regiment is quite an old officer, still from the Union.

Maybe he's from the Union. Is he mobilized? And if he is mobilized, does he have combat experience or did he serve in the Arbat fortified area? Did they come there to celebrate the New Year and send selfies from front-line Makeyevka? Recently, they fought with the Ukrainian Nazis and their air defense in South Ossetia and Abkhazia in 2008.

[Dingo]

Colonel Enikeev Roman. from those mobilized. Here is what the resource "Tsargrad" and "RT" writes about this (links below):
https://ug.tsargrad.tv/articles/jeto-uzhe-drugaja-vojna-chto-oznachaet-udar-vsu-po-mobilizovannym-v-makeevke_697459

https://russian.rt.com/russia/news/1093626-samara-traur-makeevka-voennosluzhaschie

[vovochkarzhevsky]

What old officers? 32 years have passed since the collapse of the USSR, even those who entered the school in 1991 are already in the reserve for the most part. Only in the generals and remained. And then, the same Surovikin served in the USSR for only 4 years.

[Gvardeetz77]

Quote: vovochkarzhevsky

What old officers? 32 years have passed since the collapse of the USSR, even those who entered the school in 1991 are already in the reserve for the most part. Only in the generals and remained. And then, the same Surovikin served in the USSR for only 4 years.

Well, this commander is from the reserve, mobilized (or volunteer), studied and began to serve under the USSR, but this does not add to the mind.

[Edward Vashchenko]

The commander of this regiment is quite an old officer, still from the Union.

The union collapsed in 1991, Surovikin was a lieutenant in 1991, he can be sadly attributed to Soviet officers.
The vast majority of them left the service at the latest in 2012. 90-95% of modern officer corps was formed in the Russian Federation in military institutions, in the conditions of optimization and the task of the army to fight terrorists.
As for accommodation, this is not the 18th century: "packs, bars, rastabars, hussars came to us" - the commander of the regiment where to place was indicated by his command.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

The union collapsed in 1991, Surovikin was a lieutenant in 1991, he can be sadly attributed to Soviet officers.

Basically a captain.

[Gvardeetz77]

As for accommodation, this is not the 18th century: "packs, bars, rastabars, hussars came to us" - the commander of the regiment where to place was indicated by his command.

The shelf indicates the location area, not the point. Even if a point is indicated, then upon arrival at the place the commander is obliged to assess the situation and report on the impossibility or insecurity of accommodation in it. And we, as always, "I have no complaints, suggestions and statements!".

[Sid2014]

And in our country, the lower boss is afraid to report the truth to the top, but he will report it will become unacceptable and in his place there will be another with correct reports. And the first one needs to feed his family. And in US in medicine, education, etc., isn’t it so. And people are consumables, they never bothered anyone. So stop whining and wringing your hands. THIS IS OUR LIFE WE BUILT IT OURSELVES
IT WILL BE!!! Belogorodka taught nothing, but Engels?

[flicker]

the regiment commander where to be located was indicated by his command

And who told the command?
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Previously, it happened like this: the responsible officer was instructed to find a suitable building for the temporary accommodation of personnel.
An officer, even if he knows the city (and most likely does not know the city), cannot dispose of property in the city.
That is why the officer turns to the city administration, the latter offer the appropriate premises. Let's say vocational school, GPTU, secondary school, etc. If, for example, an officer asks for 10 buildings for 30 people each, they may answer that they don’t have such a number of buildings, so here’s a vocational school, a vocational school or a sports complex for you to choose from (if there was such a choice).
---
In short, the problems here are not so much with the officer, but with the city administration.
By the way, for some reason it seems to me that if everything was located in the city administration building, then there would probably be no arrival.
---
In short, the rats seem to be in the Donetsk administration.
Ragozin was also given out by mobile calls or local rats?

[nickname7]

In short, the problems here are not so much with the officer, but with the city administration.

On the line of contact, you will also be placed in large buildings, ?

[your1970]

Quote: Gvardeetz77

The commander of this regiment is quite himself from the old officers, still from the Union

no way? Mammoth looks...
So those who graduated from the school at the time of the collapse are already many pensioners.

[Gvardeetz77]

Quote: your1970

Quote: Gvardeetz77

The commander of this regiment is quite himself from the old officers, still from the Union

no way? Mammoth looks...
So those who graduated from the school at the time of the collapse are already many pensioners.

He was a pensioner, 57 years old, called up for mobilization. So yes, mammoth, but not extinct.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: frruc

Still, I would like to see on TV how not only heroes are rewarded, but also how war criminals, thieves, marauders and slobs are brought to justice.

I would like yes.
In the yard, however, capitalism, in which all this is unreal

[Yaroslav Tekkel]

I used to think about why Soviet official historiography blamed the defeat of France on cowardly stupid ass-handed French people (World War I left the chat), only considering purely military issues on a tangential basis. And now I understand. Military history was supervised by the military. And they consciously or subconsciously felt their deep kinship with the mediocre and apathetic French generals of 1940. They felt that in a big war they themselves would perform no better. Therefore, they shifted the blame for the defeat from the generals to the people. Now they are already trying to do this trick with the Russian people. Already accused of stupidity and indiscipline (they called on mobile phones), give free rein - and they will accuse of cowardice (there are already timid attempts). Only the gentlemen generals themselves, of course, are not to blame for anything.

[Luka Nord]

Quote: Tatiana

I think so too!

Me too Tatiana... In Chechnya, I remember that such setups were permanent .. The generals need to be cleaned, definitely, there are a lot of people sleeping there.

[Silver99]

The combat charter is written in blood (((but this is not for parquet generals, because to place 500 personnel in a building directly on the front line, in the reach of conventional artillery, this is not a mistake, but a CRIME, and this decision was made at the headquarters by the highest ranks in the rank of not lower than the general (((Eyewitnesses say that there were at least three packets of arrivals of "Hymars", and these are 18 missiles, they hit heaps at one point, therefore such destruction of the building ((((the spokesman spoke about four missiles, he is definitely a military "Himers" do not have such a huge warhead to lay down a building, it takes with accuracy of defeat, hits in one point and pierces. (((((((((((((

[vovochkarzhevsky]

The Soviet generals did not even bother with the topic of how to determine one or another battalion to wait. Their job is to determine the areas of defense, or offensive lines, for the entrusted units. And the deployment of personnel to wait is already a headache for both unit commanders and their subunits, including platoon commanders, from whom the responsibility for the dispersal of personnel actually begins.
And for that matter, until every private understands that the problem of survival in a war zone depends not only on commanders, but also on himself, he is a suicide bomber.

[Silver99]

You still didn’t understand that this was not about deploying a platoon or even a company, there were much more (((((and no lieutenant will decide to occupy an empty building, this is at least agreed with the local administration, especially since the recruits have not yet been distributed by divisions, it was a collection point (((((

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Are you sure you have all the information? I'm not here. However, the fact that everyone himself must first of all take care of his own safety does not cancel.
What, in such a crowd there were no sane people who understood that cellular communication in the frontline zone is like a target mark? Of course, they were found, but there is no doubt that they were unanimously sent by the majority.

[Dingo]

Eh ... Yes, colonels do not command companies and battalions!

[Hermit21]

It seemed to me that the commander of this very battalion was responsible for the deployment of the l / s battalion. But it turns out that some abstract spherical general in a vacuum should take care of this. Go, the General Staff and Shoigu should decide who and where to place?

[Qas]

If some enterprise does not work properly, first of all they ask the director, and not the head of the shop. Why isn't it right here? Why "the captain of the ship is not responsible for the state of the ship"?

[old]

How much they talked about the tricks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine before the holidays and now (((((((((((((((((((((((((((

The Armed Forces of Ukraine do not even need to invent anything - our military leaders did everything for them.

[nickname7]

the "Himers" do not have such a huge warhead to fold the building

They write that in this vocational school they also stored ammunition, which detonated.
Armored vehicles were also stationed near the building.

[chebman]

Here, apparently, the well-known statement "do not care about losses, women still give birth" was meant.

[Nikolay310]

known to whom "statement" ??? this "statement" is known only by the fact that they are attributed to certain figures ... but there are no facts of this "statement" from the lips of these figures ... and the phrase itself is taken from a movie about Peter the Great, that is, it is fiction ...

as they say in another "famous statement" that has never been stated: "Ivashki need to be fooled" ... and some of the willows managed to be fooled quite well

[Himalayan]

You understand, if you and 12 of your friends were to clear a village of 100 houses, where there are 6 active, ready-for-All gangsters of the organized criminal group?

What do you think, if they were born there and everyone knows about everyone, can they use the locals as accomplices and even attract them as militants???

Of course yes ! And if you understand that their connection is better and everything on the video is controlled, and every inhabitant will be killed for aiding the oceanpant ???

Only they also adopted the Laws, and this is not just an organized criminal group, but a State into which the economy is being thrown, where under 1 billion of the population !!! Sea of ​​​​money, technology - an order of magnitude stronger

How would you start fighting with this gang? Deliver dry rations to intimidated villagers? And they know that everyone sees everything and the night will be. ..


Khodakovsky was with Akhmetov...

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: chebman

"I don't care about losses, women still give birth."

This is Chubais's saying about 30 million, which "will not fit into the market."

[Wizzzard]

As for "they are still giving birth" - this is not Chubais. These words are stubbornly attributed to Zhukov, although he never said this (there is no evidence or witnesses). But "they won't fit into the market" - yes, this is the Red Devil.

[StarWarrior]

It was precisely the categories of the Soviet era that created the iron discipline in the Red Army, prevented its collapse in the difficult years of 1941-1942.
I advise everyone to compare Soviet military discipline with the current worthless Russian - just compare chapter 12 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR of 1960 (articles 237 - 269) with chapter 33 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation of 1996 (articles 331 - 352.1) and everything will become clear to you why and why.

[Himalayan]

I can assume that those who were advised that place in the settlement are a little lifeless.

But Who advised ... They may be from the locals. And, like, "specialists". Tycho Hoda and his people
This is, in fact, diversion!

[YOUR]

Here is your answer. Clear weighted and explaining everything. And not like this - they themselves are to blame with their smartphones.

[Dmitry Zadorozhniy]

With smartphones, the same "fathers commanders" screwed up. Kind of banned. You clearly explain how it ends. The guys in the DPR and LPR understood this from their own experience. No mobile phones, no fitness bracelets and smart watches.

[YOUR]

The strike was made at approximately 00:01 on January 1, 2023. That is, right after the new year.
A total of 3 missile packages were fired, i.e. 18 pieces. Not one was hit

There's also a photo here. All in fine rubble

[YOUR]

Didn't attach the link

https://proslo.ru/udar-iz-himars-po-mobilizovannym-v-ptu-v-makeevke/?_utl_t=ok

[Shket53]

For this, which is "YOUR" ... and you are just crazy about this link ..... and "OUR" are you at all

[YOUR]

Andryusha, something is wrong with your head. If you want to offend someone, let's bully the gopniks into the street. Here, with rare exceptions (Shket53 (Andrey), normal people communicate. Good luck to you in your difficult life as a provocateur.

[paul3390]

themselves to blame with their smartphones

And why does mobile communication still work in a war zone?

[YOUR]

It shouldn't work, it shouldn't. Then, for the same saboteurs, spouyonov, if you like raspberries, he pressed the button and tinkled to the other side. They write that the Ukrainians reconnoitered with the help of some kind of electronic warfare. We don't have one? If cellular communication is working, what can't they detect places where the largest number of cellular phones are shining?

[StarWarrior]

Comrades!

It is no longer possible to tolerate this systematic criminal sloppiness, the criminal negligence of the command of the RF Armed Forces with optimized chicken brains!

Let's all together write a collective appeal to the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation Putin with a demand to urgently restore capital punishment in the Constitution of the Russian Federation and in the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation - the death penalty for all grave and especially grave crimes: treason, premeditated murder, embezzlement on a large scale, sabotage , sabotage, sabotage, terrorist attacks, drug trafficking, pedophilia, pederasty, and for military crimes and its active use by the military courts of the Russian Federation.

Disciplinary measures in time of war must be in accordance with wartime.

Otherwise, our country will lose control in wartime, and our army will face collapse, defeat and riots mobilized due to the complete lack of discipline, responsibility and professionalism of commanders.

[Vyacheslav57]

It is no longer possible to tolerate this systematic criminal sloppiness, the criminal negligence of the command of the RF Armed Forces with optimized chicken brains!

Why are you so nervous, en masse the entire command of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation wrote down as enemies, and even calls for their execution.

Otherwise, our country will lose control in wartime, and our army will face collapse, defeat and riots mobilized due to the complete lack of discipline, responsibility and professionalism of commanders.

Why don't you agree? And you need to be in command.

[esso]

I'll tell you this, the idea is not bad, but now in the Ministry of Defense they are feverishly thinking of whom to give to be eaten. The responsible person is shielded. For it is more important, even if it mows.

[Deon59]

Putin will simply answer that this does not happen. Everything was reported to him well.

[Sergej1972]

This photo is clearly a reconstruction. We had a teacher of civil defense at the university, who during the war was a member of the military tribunal. According to his stories, executions were carried out at a previously dug ditch. The condemned were on their knees, facing the ditch, they were shot in the back of the head.

[your1970]

Quote: Sergej1972

who during the war was a member of the military tribunal.

Quote: Sergej1972

According to his stories, executions were carried out at a previously dug ditch.

He lied to you like a gray gelding - no one dug or buried any ditches for the sake of traitors / traitors. Woods or ravines - no more ...

[fruc]

Khodakovsky called the decision taken a betrayal and expressed regret that it was not possible to shoot those who made this decision.

Betrayal or not betrayal will be sorted out by the military prosecutor's office and counterintelligence agencies. Definitely, at the time of the arrival of personnel and equipment in Makeevka, the enemy knew about it instantly. The city is flooded with agents. As for those responsible for the placement and who made this decision, they must go to court (martial tribunal)

[papas-57]

Why are they not jamming cellular communications in the frontline zone? The simplest way to convey fresh information to the enemy.

[fruc]

papas-57:... Why don't they jam cellular communications in the frontline zone?

I believe that they are sitting there not only with cellular communications, but also satellite and undercover. There, the counterintelligence and electronic warfare agencies have a lot of work to do.

[Sergej1972]

Makiivka has always seemed to be pro-Russian, and since 2014 it has been under the control of the DPR.

[fruc]

Sergej1972 .... Makeevka has always seemed to be pro-Russian, and since 2014 it has been under the control of the DPR.

Donetsk and Luhansk are also under control. However, moles work there, that's for sure. Even from the city of Vladivostok, information was sent over the Internet to the SBU regarding the defense capability of Russia. Some work for ideological reasons, others for money, and there are those who work directly for the Pentagon and MI6.

[Kuziming]

This was not taught.
This is a new kind of war. The accuracy and range of weapons reached a new level.
Once upon a time, soldiers fought in columns, then chains appeared, then small groups.
At first they fought in colored uniforms, then khaki appeared, then camouflage.
Now the requirements for dispersal and camouflage have increased once again.
This is a war of new technologies, and it is hardly possible to win it by the old methods.
A blunt increase in the number of troops will lead to a greater concentration of both men and supplies.
And this will lead to an increase in losses without increasing efficiency.

Once again: linear saturation with quantity will give an increase in losses in the square, and the increase in the occupied territory will be the same as now.

Therefore, they themselves must learn from those who have gained experience.

But this does not guarantee victory.

To win this type of war, a breakthrough is needed in the means of reconnaissance and destruction from a distance.
It is necessary to knock out air defenses and launchers, improve reconnaissance and delivery systems.

To win, you need a weapon of victory.
And the weapons are forged in the rear.

[Nikolay310]

Quote from Kuziming

This was not taught.

sorry, such an excuse could have failed when the columns near Kyiv were defeated (which, of course, were not) ... today is not February 25th and not April 2nd to justify such childish babble ... who, at the end of the first year of the SVOina, is not in able to learn from the mistakes of others, there is NOTHING to do on the front line ... if the army loses one stupid lieutenant colonel, nothing bad will happen ... but losing an infantry company at least is already a crime

[Sergej1972]

There, near Kyiv, a significant part was made up of detachments of the Russian Guard, including SOBR and OMON. These are well-trained guys, but their training is still specific. Plus, they did not have heavy weapons. True, the losses of the National Guard were minimal.

[APASUS]

the brigade commander of Vostok stated that the enemy knows perfectly well the locations of the personnel of the Russian units. Decisions on the placement of the Russian military in the building of the Makeevsky vocational school were made in the rear, and not at the front line. Khodakovsky called the decision taken a betrayal and expressed regret that it was not possible to shoot those who made this decision.

Because this is not a war, but an NWO with an incomprehensible status. Either give the NWO full legal transparency, or declare war.

[SaLaR]

OK then. From tomorrow we declare that this is war. And what will change in the trenches? Warriors, secure means of communication, aromas, kurgans appear. Soldiers will no longer be placed in vocational schools, generals will immediately become the second Rokosovskys, all chimeras will be destroyed in a day, Russian reconnaissance satellites will fill the sky? Nothing will change

[APASUS]

Quote: SaLaR

OK then. From tomorrow we declare that this is war. And what will change in the trenches? Warriors, secure means of communication, aromas, kurgans appear. Soldiers will no longer be placed in vocational schools, generals will immediately become the second Rokosovskys, all chimeras will be destroyed in a day, Russian reconnaissance satellites will fill the sky? Nothing will change

According to the laws of wartime, directors can be put up against the wall for such tricks, but now it’s peacetime and you can get away with everything
The repair plant needed by the front went under the hammer for metal
https://topwar.ru/207987-remontnyj-zavod-nuzhnyj-frontu-ushel-s-molotka-na-metall.html

[Nikolay310]

But what about the director? under capitalism, the director is a hired employee. determines the future of the plant (factory or company) by its owner, who often finds it more profitable to sell machines for scrap than to engage in production

[Sergej1972]

Sometimes, before putting in new purchased machines, old ones that have completely exhausted their resources are really more profitable to hand over for metal.

[APASUS]

Quote: Nikolay310

But what about the director? under capitalism, the director is a hired employee. determines the future of the plant (factory or company) its owner,

The director or owner is not particularly important who allowed the disruption of the defense order. Any action directed against the military order was perceived as treason, with all the consequences

[your1970]

Quote: APASUS

Quote: SaLaR

OK then. From tomorrow we declare that this is war. And what will change in the trenches? Warriors, secure means of communication, aromas, kurgans appear. Soldiers will no longer be placed in vocational schools, generals will immediately become the second Rokosovskys, all chimeras will be destroyed in a day, Russian reconnaissance satellites will fill the sky? Nothing will change

According to the laws of wartime, directors can be put up against the wall for such tricks, but now it’s peacetime and you can get away with everything
The repair plant needed by the front went under the hammer for metal
https://topwar.ru/207987-remontnyj-zavod-nuzhnyj-frontu-ushel-s-molotka-na-metall.html

The problem is that, according to the laws of wartime, not only the directors, but also the editors of VO would be shot together with the author of the article - for the disclosure of "Soviet secret" information.
And the fact that 3/4 of the commentators would receive 10 years without the right to correspond for anti-government agitation is not even discussed ...

[Metallurg_2]

Then there will be a legal basis to use ammunition from special warheads for stealing

[Kornily]

As soon as ANY country declares the legal term "war", international restrictions on everything immediately automatically work. Therefore, special operations or other statuses are everywhere.

[nellyjuri]

I have a question for the editors. And why do you constantly quote this loser strategist? Mr Khodakovsky? Do you have a personal interest in him? Or does he have huge powers in power, like our president, and we just have to all listen to him as if he were the very first instance? Or is he the most truthful military commander who constantly spends on the front line and communicates with soldiers and officers, including senior ones? No. He is not a military commissar, to whom I respectfully listen, and whose criticism comes from the heart, he is not a senior officer, behind whom there are real hostilities in Syria, in Chechnya, and so on, and it seems that Khodakovsky is not even an average officer corps - so amateur. And not just an amateur, he is making a name for himself in today's tragedy. Makes capital for the future. Reminds Yeltsin, who at first screamed and beat his chest - I'm an honest communist, and then suddenly came to the conclusion that Russia must be saved through the collapse of Russia, and began to criticize everything and everyone, exposing himself as the only smart and honest patriot, and then led Russia to disaster.

Not this, not the other, not the third. From all of the above. Khodakovsky, he is like Pushkin's - half-commander, half-civilian, half-military commissar, half-talk. A semi-provocateur, but in general such people should be silent so as not to be complete.

[Nikolay310]

if memory serves, it was Khodakovsky who, during the storming of the Donetsk airport, managed to mediocrely lose a bunch of his soldiers ... I wonder why he didn’t shoot himself for that event? Or does he think he can?

[ABC-schutze]

Because Khodakovsky is an experienced, combat commander, who knows the enemy and the situation in the theater very well. A commander with NINE YEARS of experience in REAL and INTENSE combat operations, and not experience in "conducting exercises" ...

By the way, during the assault on the Donetsk airport, Khodarkovsky's militia was opposed by the REGULAR formations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which occupied WELL FORTIFIED, deepened defensive positions.

By the way, not much inferior to the defensive positions of "Azov" and the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the territory of "Azovstal" in Mariupol ...

So, the DPR militia and regular Russian troops, Azovstal is much faster, did they take it? ..

Khodorkovsky is quoted and referred to because he is right ... True, for many skygazers-cap-throwers from among the "planners" of the NWO, they are "uncomfortably" right ...

[your1970]

Quote: ABC-schütze

the time of the assault on the Donetsk airport,

58 hectare

Quote: ABC-schütze

not much inferior to the defensive positions of "Azov" and the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the territory of "Azovstal" in Mariupol ..

1608 hectare
Can you calculate the ratio of 58 to 1608 yourself?
About the fact that the walls and foundations of Azov became a little stronger than the walls of 2,5 bricks of the airport - you can’t even discuss

[O. Bender]

The adoption of such a decision, about placing where a fairly large number is slander to the tenth degree, and even at a distance of no more than 15 km from the front end. I hope the debriefing will determine the perpetrators and those involved. the process of parsing blockages. It's sad.

[alexeyzezin]

Impunity, that's the reason for such decisions. Another problem is that the army is still led by Soviet officers who are far from being young. They cannot and do not want to understand that time does not stand still, that warriors change. Young officers should be promoted to general positions, and not these old men should be kept in command of the army. They are simply physically and biologically incapable of waging modern wars.

[Silver99]

Excuse me, but who trains young officers? Are not those Soviet old men? How can they get young experience? It is not a matter of youth or old age, and not the understanding of the majority that there is a war going on.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

What are the Soviet old men? Inquire at your leisure how many Soviet officers were transferred to the reserve ahead of schedule.

[Deon59]

And what does the Soviet officers have to do with it. The USSR left in 1991. And during this time we have had two Chechen wars, the war in South Ossetia, the war in Syria, and the NVO has been going on for 10 months. And if we haven’t learned anything in 30 years, this is the fault of the USSR . I am a Soviet and Russian officer, in the reserve, I communicate via VUS, but there is preparation for the actions of infantry units, and when they show how the Russian army is fighting on a zombie box, I am upset. Such stupid military leaders should be looked for in Ward number 6.

[Dane]

Quote: O. Bender

The adoption of such a decision, about placing where a fairly large number is slander to the tenth degree, and even at a distance of no more than 15 km from the front end. I hope the debriefing will determine the perpetrators and those involved. the process of parsing blockages. It's sad.

Have you heard that those involved in the jambs would be punished, severely punished, and not transferred to another position in another place? I'm not ...... here and now of. Information from the Ministry of Defense: the missile attack was made possible due to the use of mobile phones in this place ...... that is, the fault of the mobilized themselves ....

[Andrey Karpov]

Yes, in general, PPC, everyone was blamed on the mobilized. yeah. as if the commanders did not have the opportunity to take away any means of communication from everyone ??? I will not believe. which means either negligence or sabotage

[your1970]

Quote: Andrey Karpov

as if the commanders did not have the opportunity to take away any means of communication from everyone ???

Yeah, yeah .... and then the hysteria on the Internet "Gadish commanders took away MYSELF all phones!!!
Already been ...
I know 4 of our mobilized - when they called for them, they bought uniforms for themselves. In part, they were offered several times to change into military clothes and send home - 2 changed clothes because they bought rubbish, and two remained in their own. The command was tired of the constant "They take away their uniforms to sell !!" - and it told them "Walk in whatever you want! - got your slander !!"

[AlexWar]

Of course, they don't think the way they want. For example, why the bridges across the Dnieper were not blown up. There are drones that can fly under the bridge support. Having blown up the bridges, it was possible to launch an offensive along the Dnieper line, taking a huge army of Ukraine into an environment, no one would supply them with weapons. They will have nowhere to run.

[Metallurg_2]

It's just that some still want to beg for an indulgence in the West and return their frozen assets.

[your1970]

Quote from Alexwar

There are drones that can fly under the bridge support.

The make and model can be - which a couple of tons (!!) of explosives can be dragged to the support?

[opposite28]

Some commanders of the Russian troops do not want to change their habitual way of life, transferring it to the zone of a special military operation, which leads to losses in personnel. This statement was made by the commander of the Vostok brigade, Alexander Khodakovsky, in his TG channel, commenting on the death of the Russian military in Makeevka.

One thing is bad: the commanders also strive to minimize their responsibility and put themselves in a state of economy - there are few real violent ones, so there are no leaders ...

- wrote Khodakovsky

The war in your head should not be transferred to society that has nothing to do with it ...

[AlexWar]

We need to go back to the original plan. As planned, either completely cut off Ukraine from the supply of weapons, take everyone prisoner and put them in prison for a long time later. Hold a vote and the Lviv region will become part of Russia

[AlexWar]

Artemovsk has been turned into Stalingrad, a struggle for every house. They won the way they encircled the Paulus grouping. Take any battle of the Great Patriotic War, to win you don’t have to fight head-on, you need a breakthrough behind enemy lines.
They have enough weapons for a couple of weeks in this environment.
It is necessary to open a second front in Bularus and go to the border of Poland.
There, tons of weapons go through Lvov.
I still think that the best solution is to blow up the bridges across the Dnieper. And launch an attack along the banks of the Dnieper
Was it also not possible to throw out troops to mine bridges?
A package of Iskanders, too, won't it do anything to the bridge?
Anyway, I watched an interview with a tanker, he said they need more calibers. 152 mm guns should be put in tanks.
Good hymers are loaded with bearings, why, for example, don’t put balls into the warhead and explode over the surface?

[nickname7]

It is necessary to open a second front in Bularus

It's too late, they created a layered defense no worse than Artemovsk.
The February blitzkrieg was correct, then they managed to capture a lot, but there it was necessary to deploy defenses, dig trenches, dugouts and pillboxes, create civil military administrations and begin mobilization in February, which they did not want to start, but in the end they had to, while they thought time was lost.
The drivers are kind of slow...

[Million]

The current generals are fighting from their offices.

[Egeny]

Quote: Million

The current generals are fighting from their offices.

Were you there as an adviser?

[Egeny]

What, Vlad, did not like?
Me your insinuations too.)

[Egeny]

Oh, you are a radish, Vlad. How much do they pay you, snot boy?
Here, damn it, you also rose to the rank of lieutenant in VO, and I thought that such people did not deserve a promotion.) I remember you, millennium,.

[your1970]

Quote: Million

The current generals are fighting from their offices.

Grandfather since May 1941 along the Kursk Bulge (commissioned) - he has never seen anyone older than the regiment commander on the front line.

[opposite28]

One thing is bad: the commanders also strive to minimize their responsibility and put themselves in a state of economy - there are few real violent ones, so there are no leaders ...

- wrote Khodakovsky

That is why combat experience is invaluable, as well as knowledge gained in higher educational institutions of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. The good news is that in the Donbass region there are an abundance of "violent leaders", like nuggets in a gold mine, there is nowhere to put a sample ...

[AlexWar]

The main question is why we stand!!! We are not rushing around anywhere. Or do we have no generals who knew how to fight?
All attacks come with a platoon and a couple of tanks. Up to 80% of the military sit in the trenches doing nothing. So I heard they told me that they did not even see the enemy. There is shooting here and there.
They tell us it's a pity for people, but why isn't it so pity that they die without even shooting?

[Aviator_]

According to Khodakovsky, who has been fighting since 2014,

And what categories did he follow when he burned down our KAMAZ with the wounded in 2014? There is a suspicion. that now he is in the position of Strelkov-Girkin, that is, he does not command anyone, only advises.

[Ezekiel 25-17]

If the categories of the Soviet army were used, then the territories of Ukraine that we do not need would be turned into a Wild Field, where Ze and his relatives would sprinkle radioactive ash on his head (if on the 25th he would still be alive).

[lambert]

Quote: Gvardeetz77

As for the Soviet Army, such an illiterate decision would not have been made. There are no more old and experienced officers, and young Russians suddenly decided to allow a feast on New Year's Eve, in an unprotected building at a distance from the enemy in a cannon shot. It's just idiotic.

The commander of this regiment is quite an old officer, still from the Union. If the development of military art bypassed the leaders in the service, then it is foolish to expect that those in the reserve studied all the new trends and live on the knowledge of the last century

Alas, lieutenant colonels (colonels) of the reserve are not called up, therefore, of the employees who have now entered in 1991 plus 30 years, the last left in 2021. So there is no one to ask from Soviet officers. They simply don't exist. It's time to remember the winged words of Taburetkin - I will rid the army of Soviet officers.
so not relevant.

[vvn_vl]

these are not commanders, but military-party managers ... real commanders must be educated and taught, and in order to go through the entire ladder, and not jump

[Yapet100]

And no one, as usual with us, will not be punished.

[Egeny]

Quote: Eduard Vaschenko

USSR GDP in world GDP 16-17%, RF - 1,7

Eduard, your memory is no better: the Union included 15 republics with their own gross product, the total of which was 16-17% of the union, and in Russia there was only one GDP.)
And we still manage to feed the remaining 14, including the outskirts.

[Egeny]

Quote: Aviator_

burned our KAMAZ with the wounded in 2014

Hello, where and when. I haven't heard of this, please provide a link.

[Aviator_]

This was written in 2014 by Boris Rozhin (colonelcassad) and not only him. Look in his archive, I think that this is not out of malice, but because of the inevitable mess. And now his advice on how to fight is beginning to annoy. Only a person who is left out of work can afford it. it looks like it is. Soon he will surpass Girkin in his "useful advice".

[igork735]

"... the storming of the Donetsk airport on May 26.05.2014, 50, as a result of which more than XNUMX militiamen were killed (not counting the losses of the deblocking detachments), most of which were volunteers from the Russian Federation. This fact has already received official recognition from the leadership of the DPR, so hide it, including the presence of Russian volunteers makes no sense.
This operation can be considered the most disastrous of all carried out by the DPR militias, both in terms of the results achieved and in terms of the losses incurred. The next clash, which was led and planned by Khodakovsky, was the battle near the checkpoint "Marinovka", as a result of which the militia suffered losses in manpower and equipment and did not complete the task.

https://rozavetrovsibir.ru/documents/boi-za-doneckii-aeroport-hronologiya-bitva-za-doneckii-aeroport/

https://kontingent.press/post/zhivye-i-mertvye-pervyj-boj-za-aeroport-donecka

[nickname7]

carried out by Khodakovsky, there was a battle near the checkpoint "Marinovka", as a result of which the Militia suffered losses in manpower and equipment and did not complete the task.

Do you want to reproach Khodakovsky with the fact that the militia, having no siege artillery, lost in the attack to the personnel unit of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which is on the defensive?
There is a saying - "for the beaten they give two not beaten" Khodakovsky, it will be better than biathlete officers.

[Egeny]

Quote from: vvn_vl

and military-party managers ...

I believe that it was not the General Staff who made the decision to deploy personnel and BC in one place, but brainless small local "menagers".
Here they are to be judged.

[Egeny]

Quote from Alexwar

Artemovsk has been turned into Stalingrad, a struggle for every house.
Hymers are loaded with bearings, why, for example, don’t put balls into the warhead and explode above the surface?

How do you imagine "charging" warhead missiles with bearings?
Sergeant, why are you not in the General Staff?

[Egeny]

Why, boy? The text of your comment is too short ... come on, bot

[nickname7]

How do you imagine "charging" warhead missiles with bearings?

Engineers know how to do it. There is a rocket for himars with 1800 tungsten balls that hits everyone from above in the trenches and ravines.

[Egeny]

Quote: Yapet100

will not be punished.

Not all at once, they will punish.

[Egeny]

..what minus, do not tell me, people?

[Egeny]

Quote from Deon59

on a zombie box they show how the Russian army is fighting

The fact of the matter is that "on the box" ...
I am also from a family of officers, the captain and also a connection. New equipment, opportunities and practice.
We are studying, and you are watching the "box".)

[Deon59]

We have already kind of won, we will soon reach the English Channel, and we have no analogues in communication technology, but there are a lot of But, and the UAV nizenko nizenko flies deep into our rear. Probably the radar has no analogues on the new elemental base, it simply does not see targets.

[Egeny]

Khodakovsky wonders

Well ... to ask questions, we are all generals here in sweatpants with stripes.)

[_simply]

Our BC is between two buttocks - soviet and western. We said goodbye to the scoop, but did not re-optimize. Here we are chatting. Sorry for the soldiers and officers.

[Bayun]

Drugs and equipment in modern warfare must be DISTRIBUTED. A compact stationary V/Ch is inherently an anachronism. An airfield, a barracks, a compact fleet of armored vehicles in the event of serious databases are destroyed in one fell swoop.

For the survival of the country in the event of a World War, VILLAGES and VILLAGES (!!!) are needed, otherwise, on the first day of a serious war, the country loses 1-70% of the (urban) population. This is something that is worth thinking about not only the military, but also politicians ...

[Arkady007]

Well, if the president only gives instructions a year after the start of hostilities to check whether all the fighters have windings and a gun. It makes no sense to even remember about the generals.
When the deputies, only after a year of the war, thought about reducing the days off in January, this only means that they do not perceive the hostilities in Ukraine in any way regarding themselves.

[igorra]

As long as Putin pursues his liberal aspirations, such excesses will continue. For many miscalculations that led to the death of our soldiers, civilians, but simply for errors in planning, analysis, shortcomings in supply, no one seriously answered.

[vlad2000]

rather strange reasoning of civilians far from the army about how to fight and disperse troops))) if this article was about football, then I think everyone was discussing exactly the same with rapture who should have been released on the field and how the coach should train the team. the army is quite a frame body where the commander can make decisions only within the framework of the order given to him and take the initiative only within the limits of his duties. That is, no platoon or company has the right to change the place of deployment on its own. Or start attacking in another place or disband the personnel at home. more .if it was a unit of newly arrived mobilized, then naturally, as is done in the army, there was an order to arrive at some final point. At this final point, the corresponding deputy commander for rear received a command to temporarily house 500 people for a couple of days before distributing in parts or leaving for the front .do you seriously think that in such cases a lawsuit will run put apartments all over the city to settle an uncontrollable mobilization rabble of three to five people? Is there anything to do with the rear units? days it was natural. and so do Ukrainians. plus the personal sloppiness of mobile phones using terephones. And it’s somewhat strange to hear about the proposal to turn off cellular communications. Firstly, this is a civilian city not on the front line. from mobile communications. so di bath strategists, you would be better in your profession, sinless would be better.

[Igor Zhorov]

Yes, there was no betrayal, it was just necessary to place the personnel in accordance with the norms and requirements of the inspectors. The soldiers are not on the front line, and therefore not in the bunker. How do you explain to the general why the soldiers do not have bedside tables, slippers and towels?

[your1970]

Quote: Igor Zhorov

How are you to the general explain why the soldiers do not have bedside tables, slippers and towels?

And how are you the internet explain - what exactly is why there are no bedside tables and beds ???

[Carlos Hall]

Let me refute, Mr. brigade commander "Vostok" Khodakovsky, if it were as you say, the war would have ended in favor of Russia in 1 month.

[opuonmed]

it’s a pity that they don’t think about the war of the future and the present, everyone thinks that 60-90 years is sad!

[Amper]

If the authorities thought in terms of Soviet society, there would be no s-v-o at all! No one would dare to attack the Superpower with its Invincible Armed Forces under the control of PEOPLE'S leaders and commanders!

[vlad2000]

cheers comrades!!! and thunderous applause

[your1970]

Quote: Amper

No one would dare to attack the Superpower with its Invincible Armed Forces under the control of PEOPLE'S leaders and commanders!

Dry river, huh?
U-2 flights over the whole country?
Bulk squeezing US ships abroad in the Black Sea?

The United States has always spit on a superpower with people's leaders.

[Alexander Toroshchin]

So why is it impossible to shoot them for the direct betrayal that caused so many deaths, why is it impossible to shoot them for the inactivity and irresponsibility of the bastard commanders? For blood, the only payment is blood.

[Altmann]

This is a problem, because the commanders are firmly entrenched in the old Russian tactical thinking. All their lives they learned only one and the same thing. Impressions from the Great Patriotic War were holy. This is what most officers think, because we cannot do otherwise. I am an old, former officer of the Czech army and studied everything according to the Soviet model in a military lyceum and a military school, and suddenly I find out that I can’t do it anywhere else. We do not have enough modern experience and this must be broken somewhere in the General Staff. It was treason, indiscipline and stupidity, it is clear to us today.

[vlad2000]

listen ..... Czech officer ...... the fact that a dropout in their Czech schools is understandable. You don’t blather about Soviet schools and academies. Unlike you, we always knew how to fight Czechs. It’s just that we have fools in whose epaulettes in peacetime are friends and relatives pulling up. So everything will be fine gradually.

[Ulum]

Well, yes, everyone around is fools, one SBU officer Khodakovsky, a character with a muddy past and an even more muddy present, knows and understands everything. The FSB needs to check this type for a long time.

[Vodila]

What , tribunals can not be introduced ? These reptiles, according to the law of wartime, are in public against the wall.

[flicker]

Khodakovsky called the decision taken a betrayal and expressed regret that it was not possible to shoot those who made this decision.

The well-known commander of the Luhansk detachment Kolmogorov once drew attention to the fact that in the DPR from 2014 to 2022 the number of personnel of the people's militia was 18 thousand. people who have received regular salaries all these years. But when the NWO began, in fact the personnel turned out to be 3 thousand. fighters.
---
I wonder why Khodakovsky does not say anything about this?

[Yumico]

The liquidation of the Slavic ethnic group for the sake of capital

[wladimirjankov]

This is precisely a betrayal and a crime to frame the mobilized men and kill them en masse. Is that why they were sent there? The criminals who made the decision to place so many of our soldiers in one building located in the war zone and who killed them with this, must suffer severe punishment.

[your1970]

Quote: wladimirjankov

The criminals who made the decision to place so many of our soldiers in one building located in the war zone and who killed them with this, must suffer severe punishment.

The head of the local administration and the command of the NM Corps? This is what they posted...

[Sergei N 58912062]

Who concentratedly placed people in a building unprotected from shelling?! The perpetrators must be found and punished according to the laws of war!!!

[tolmachiev51]

- this is if there is a war, and we have a "muddy" NWO operation !!!

[tolmachiev51]

"..... it is not possible to shoot those who made this decision" - but in vain !!! not strong in tactics, but how much you can carry out "SVO". Maybe hence the adoption of such decisions - there is no specific ultimate goal, one chatter.

[Alex242]

our lampioners are still fighting, as in 41, it’s time for them to change their worldview, to be transported to new times ....

[Vovavvs]

How is it?! Look, those responsible for the Kharkov and Kh. And how many of them stood up against the wall for incompetence?

[your1970]

Quote: VovaVVS

I wonder how much Stalin handed out awards to generals in 1941? ?

well, for example, Vlasov was awarded for the defense of Moscow

Quote: VovaVVS

And how many of them stood up against the wall for incompetence?

By the beginning of the war, there were about 1 generals in the spacecraft; about 500 more were assigned during the war
Total 4 500.
Shot - 56 human.
For everything profaned before 1944, for the Wehrmacht in Stalingrad, for Minsk (200 total losses in 000 days of the war), for Kyiv ...
Found extreme...
The rest were moved from place to place, yeah, yeah ....

[Hindu]

So, who are these "some"? Or didn't you mean anyone in particular? But in general? What is the meaning of this bitter lamentation?
Or if you call Shoigu and Gerasimov, then it is possible to agree with Putin as well?
Or are they not here?
Why start a conversation in the style of "someone here and there sometimes"?

[rocket757]

The decisions to station the Russian military specifically in the building of the Makeevka vocational school were made in the rear, and not on the front line. Khodakovsky called the decision a betrayal and expressed regret that it was not possible to shoot those who made this decision.

. And those who rushed to implement this decision don’t have their own heads???
You never know what they came up with from above, but who could stop them from acting in accordance with the situation???
The question of quality, preparation of team composition, at different levels, has been raised for a long time!!! They just don’t rush to do the right thing, to solve the problem.
There is no such broom that will start sweeping garbage out of the hut, alas.
Commanders in the fields should be those who have smelled gunpowder in those fields, know the situation, know how to make the necessary, correct decisions... they should take training courses for officer positions and move on!!! With their experience, they make much fewer big blunders and correct, level out incorrect orders from the offices, they can, at least, the most incorrect ones....
This is exactly how many people, experts who are involved in the topic, speak out.

[Vovavvs]

Exactly, was it really true that the higher commanders, when they conveyed the general task to the commander of a specific unit to be stationed in Makeyevka, did so

[Vovavvs]

and they said to place everyone in the vocational school building, place the ammunition depot there...

[Vovavvs]

Irresponsibility is our everything! Discipline and order begin at the beginning. And as soon as they sit in public in the dock, for example: the same specific unit commander for the Shamsudinovsky execution; officers who ignored the order of the commander-in-chief and sent conscript soldiers into the combat zone; the generals who allowed these Kharkov and Makeyevka defeats, so immediately, magically, both discipline and efficiency changed

[agond]

Who can ask the boss or commander, only the one standing above, and for the superior, this means that he at least made a mistake in choosing his subordinates, but he needs this?, therefore, the guilty are always and everywhere looked for at the very bottom, like they themselves are to blame, but we are superior and because the Queen of England is above suspicion

[Dmitry Karabanov]

Well, recently people have joined the army for huge salaries, preferential pensions and housing certificates - and not at all to defend the Motherland. So why be surprised?

[zenion]

It wouldn't hurt if they at least thought so. But this is completely inaccessible to many, looking at how things are going.

[scaramaks27]

IMHO! complete indifference and carelessness at all levels!

[buslaif]

Annex No. 7 to the Disciplinary Charter of the Armed Forces
Russian Federation (to articles 10, 80, 81)
LIST OF GROSS DISCIPLINARY OFFENSES. PROCEDURE FOR THE EXECUTION OF DISCIPLINARY ARREST
"1. Gross disciplinary offenses include:
............................
- Violation of the prohibition to carry, while performing the duties of military service, electronic products (instruments, technical means) for household use, in which they can be stored or which allow using the information and telecommunications network "Internet" to distribute or provide audio, photo, video materials and data geolocation, in the following cases:
- participation in hostilities, performance of tasks in a state of emergency or martial law, armed conflicts, participation in activities to maintain or restore international peace and security or suppress international terrorist activities outside the territory of the Russian Federation;
- carrying out combat duty, combat service, service in the garrison attire, performance of duties as part of the daily attire;
-participation in exercises or cruises of ships;
- being on the territory of a military unit during the working hours established by the daily routine or at other times, if this is due to official necessity;
- passage of military training;
- rendering assistance to internal affairs bodies, other law enforcement agencies in protecting the rights and freedoms of man and citizen, protecting law and order and ensuring public safety;
- participation in the prevention and elimination of the consequences of natural disasters, accidents and catastrophes."
The charter is the law for military personnel. First of all, the mobilized and their commanders must be brought to the requirements of the law and military regulations, under signature. Based on the requirements of Appendix No. 7 to the Disciplinary Charter of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, "electronic products (devices, technical equipment) for household purposes" must be confiscated from all military personnel, from the commander to the private. As practice has shown, those who violated the statutory requirements did not have time to receive a disciplinary punishment, but paid for it with their own lives. In truth, the statutory requirements are written in blood.

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Indeed, why not shoot those responsible for the actions that led to the mass death of military personnel of the Russian Armed Forces....

[Tank destroyerSU-100]

It was in the Soviet Army that the combat regulations required the DISTRIBUTION of personnel and military equipment in the combat zone. Khodakovsky should have known this before attacking the Soviet Army.
And wandering and gathering in crowds is a tactic of action against the notorious “international terrorists”, which the army has been training for twenty years exclusively.

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Quote: frruc

Tatyana
I think so too!

The placement of the Russian military in the building of the Makeevsky vocational school was taken in the rear, and not on the front line.

I don’t think that anyone in the rear and large headquarters knows about some kind of Makeev bird. Most likely, the decision was made on the ground, in the Donetsk fortified area (or at its suggestion). As for the Soviet Army, such an illiterate decision would not have been made. There are no old and experienced officers, and young Russians suddenly decided to allow a feast on New Year's Eve, in an unprotected building at a distance from the enemy in a cannon shot. It's just idiotic.
Still, I would like to see on TV how not only heroes are rewarded, but also how war criminals, thieves, marauders and slobs are brought to justice.

Where have you seen young Russians, Vasya? All the generals are ancient mummies who faint when they hear the word “Internet.” It’s strange that signalmen still don’t carry coils with dynamos as communications. Ask your grandmother (she most likely matches the age of these “commanders”) what she thinks about real-time broadband communications on the battlefield, these ancient mummies will tell you about the same thing.