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The military commander recalled the important role of discipline in combat conditions

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The military commander recalled the important role of discipline in combat conditions

War correspondent Alexander Sladkov recalled that at the initial stage of the civil war in Ukraine, the key combat units Sparta, Vostok, Somalia and Pyatnashka showed high performance in combat operations due to the strict military discipline they maintain. Despite the fact that among the personnel of these units there were a variety of people, they unquestioningly carried out the orders of their commanders (Motorola, Skif, Givi, Abkhaz).


In its Telegram channel Sladkov wrote that at the dawn of the Russian spring, iron discipline reigned in the units, sometimes running counter to the current army regulations, but ensuring the highest combat effectiveness of combat units.

The military commissar recalled that thanks to this, the 1st and 2nd army corps of the LDNR became one of the most combat-ready units of the Ground Forces of the RF Armed Forces. If the same strict discipline had reigned in other units of the Russian army, the situation at the front would have been different.

Sladkov stressed that the rest of the Russian army has a lot to learn from the regiments and brigades of Donbass that have been fighting for almost 9 years.

After the reunification of Donbass with the Russian Federation, the units of the armies of the DPR and LPR became part of the RF Armed Forces.
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  1. opuonmed
    opuonmed 3 January 2023 14: 27
    +4
    from Telegram Kotsnews
    With the training of the mobilized, we have two extremes. At the initial stage, fighters who did not undergo high-quality combat coordination ended up on the front line. Now other stories are coming out. They prepared for one for a long time and with high quality, but in the end they are sent to a completely different VUS. All preparation is down the drain, and an unprepared unit is going to the front. Prepared for something else.

    So now, judging by the appeals to me, it is happening with the Separate 640 howitzer division, consisting of mobilized people from the Saratov region and the Republic of Bashkortostan.

    For three months they were trained in the art of artillery, they prepared the Gods of War to the conscience, the officers invested their strength and knowledge. And in the end, on December 27, a train with trained artillerymen went to the NVO zone, where, according to relatives (I have a video message), the division was told that artillerymen were not needed there. But you need infantry. A division is a whole battalion of infantry. Which, however, was not prepared for infantry operations.

    Here my friend, the commander of a cannon battalion in the 2nd Army Corps, is gathering volunteers all over the country for a new division of high power. The Minister of Defense speaks before the President about the creation of five new artillery divisions in strategic directions. And suddenly such wastefulness.

    The commander of the 640th division, they say, tried to fight for his fighters. But unsuccessfully.

    and here xs what to think! Is it stupidity or iron discipline?
    1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
      Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 3 January 2023 14: 54
      +8
      Let them write a collective letter to the military prosecutor's office and apply to the media.
      1. Alien From
        Alien From 3 January 2023 14: 58
        +2
        In general, it is strange that military correspondents talk about discipline in military personnel. After this, I watched the ""star"" just sick.
        1. AAK
          AAK 3 January 2023 20: 12
          +4
          Well, none of the big stars on Zvezda will say in a speech - "we are a bunch of stupid degenerates and a" graveyard of elephants ", and small stars on the air can only say the" right words "in balaclavas ... I communicate with several people, some of whose relatives were mobilized or volunteers, some went to the LBS region, took parcels with the necessary things to their own, and when I asked what the guys needed most of all, their relatives answered - everything !!! ) to replace, since there are regulations, NWO is not war! Whoever can - they take out and carry sights, bulletproof magazines, high-quality equipment ... and nowhere did they show the "demonstrative" shooting of rear rats who sold one and a half million sets of uniforms to comers from warehouses and equipment ... just as there will not be the same reaction in relation to the "Izyumo-Barvenkovsky strategists and long-distance runners",
          and in relation to the "Makeyevsky lodgers", and many, many others ... but the "plan for the shaft" - +35 thousand ...
      2. YOUR
        YOUR 3 January 2023 15: 15
        +3
        In general, we do not accept collective complaints.
      3. StarWarrior
        StarWarrior 4 January 2023 21: 19
        0
        in the media and especially telegram channels - it is necessary, but it is also necessary to write a collective letter from everyone to the official website of the President of Russia - the Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation!
    2. Sebostyuan
      Sebostyuan 3 January 2023 15: 18
      +2
      At the expense of the use of drugs and equipment for other purposes, a separate, sore subject.
      Examples are enough.
    3. YOUR
      YOUR 3 January 2023 15: 20
      -2
      Quote: opuonmed
      A division is a whole battalion of infantry.

      You are wrong. The artillery division is 220 - 280 people, the m / st battalion - 540 - 600 people.
      Quote: opuonmed
      The commander of the 640th division, they say, tried to fight for his fighters. But unsuccessfully.

      and here xs what to think! Is it stupidity or iron discipline?

      Think what? The fact that a person is spreading this nonsense, at least in military affairs, has neither an ear nor a snout + is also a provocateur.
      1. opuonmed
        opuonmed 3 January 2023 15: 34
        +2
        if you don’t know about Alexander Igorevich Kots then you are completely off topic)
        writes further Kotsnews

        As it turned out, the transformation of artillerymen, who underwent a three-month training in the profile, into infantrymen is already a system thing. And the artillery battalions, which, upon arrival in the NMD zone, become infantry battalions, are no longer one or two. And as a rule, this happens in one building.

        Some of them were lucky enough to be trained. But this is rather an exception. And so - either there are no guns, or they are faulty. So, blow into the infantry. Well, they would have prepared for the infantry. Why waste time and ammunition at training grounds, if you can immediately train those who are needed at the front.

        At the same time, there are people who want to join the infantry, but they are not allowed. Here is one of several typical calls:

        “In our country, on the contrary, people want to get to the front line and not sit in the defense and guard the trenches behind the backs of conscripts.”
        1. Sebostyuan
          Sebostyuan 3 January 2023 16: 16
          +1
          If there is not enough infantry, then it is necessary to prepare the infantry.
          But it's easier not to bother. There are no motorized riflemen, we'll take it and send reconnaissance to the fields. Better yet, a special forces brigade or airborne forces, MP.
          Folk folklore about the movement of round and square objects was not born from scratch.
          Ps. Question, purely out of curiosity. Where they teach to select - the most illogical decisions.
          1. opuonmed
            opuonmed 3 January 2023 16: 37
            -1
            Quote from Sebostyuan
            Ps. Question, purely out of curiosity. Where they teach to select - the most illogical decisions.

            I am also very interested in who gives such orders!
        2. 28st region
          28st region 4 January 2023 05: 03
          +2
          It's a total mess everywhere. And the President pretends to know nothing and Shoigu too. What are they busy with.
          Another one of the examples
          Do you think this is a trophy broken tank of the Armed Forces of Ukraine? Or is there, for example, a ruin in a military dump? No! These are tanks supplied to our troops. And not just anywhere, but to one of the tank battalions of the glorious guards economy. The battalion is commanded by Major Rasim T., call sign "Highlander". The engine cannot be started. It is impossible to check the operation of the systems. The gun cannot be loaded. The shutter on the video is lying around in the legs ... And this has been going on for a MONTH!!! And no one is doing anything to restore technology. There are no spare parts. Zampotech on a business trip. In PTOR (point of technical inspection and repair), there are no spare parts, no specialists. And no one cares!


          https://ok.ru/video/4274199595648

          Or a video when a whole echelon of mobiles arrived in Belgorod. People with weapons that are not registered on them, with cartridges, no command, wander around and ask the question, why did they call us at all and swell so much money into our training. What are we doing here

          All this is more than strange. Who is our MO playing for?
    4. topol717
      topol717 3 January 2023 15: 40
      +2
      Quote: opuonmed
      and here xs what to think!

      The more oaks in the army, the stronger our defense.
      A smart man will never become a general, only a person who follows orders well can become a general. Forest Gump is the perfect military man. They don't care about preparation and logic. The soldier must follow orders.
    5. UAZ 452
      UAZ 452 4 January 2023 00: 06
      0
      During the Second World War, my grandfather studied as a mortar, he came as a junior lieutenant to the front, he was given an infantry platoon and go fight. Surely, in another sector, an infantry lieutenant was sent to the mortar. And it was 1945, not 41! We don't change anything.
  2. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 3 January 2023 14: 33
    +6
    iron discipline in war is half the success ... methods of achievement (let's not snot and white gloves) must correspond to the moment ... sometimes you need a demonstrative "execution" (any public harsh / cruel punishment) before the formation to avoid more
    1. Sergio_7
      Sergio_7 3 January 2023 14: 41
      +4
      I completely agree! Discipline according to the laws of war must be! And the demand is the same from everyone, whether it be an officer or a private!
      1. Planem
        Planem 3 January 2023 14: 51
        +3
        And the generals? And MO and VGK? From the indiscipline of the private, he himself may suffer, well, in extreme cases, the separation or failure to complete the task of the platoon, but from the irresponsibility, sloppiness and rotozey of the generals, their inability to organize discipline in the troops and generally plan and organize military operations well, hundreds and thousands die, suffer defeats whole brigades, corps and armies, as well as mediocre whole groupings of troops are withdrawn, cities and large territories are surrendered to the enemy. But Sladkov, apparently, has little guts to write about it. Well, it is unlikely that the Donetsk and Luhansk formations have stronger discipline, they have higher motivation and consciousness, they have father commanders along with their fighters, they have higher cohesion ..
      2. dmi.pris1
        dmi.pris1 3 January 2023 14: 53
        +6
        I honestly admit that at the very beginning of this war I did not have a very high opinion of the quality of the fighters and commanders of the NM corps. I see now that they will still give odds to the entire composition, if not the RF Armed Forces, then the ZVO for sure.
      3. StarWarrior
        StarWarrior 4 January 2023 21: 21
        +1
        The higher the position, the greater the responsibility. This is how it should be in a normal state.
    2. opuonmed
      opuonmed 3 January 2023 15: 26
      +5
      stupidity and iron discipline are two different things !!!!!!!!!! imagine a situation of a hypothetical crossing in the first wave, they tried to cross and the opponents burned 50 vehicles and we didn’t cross the second time, the general orders it, once it crosses, but they tell him that we’ll put a soldier there, but he doesn’t care, he says it’s also crossed under the blows of artillery and drones, but 100 cars have already been burned there the opponents didn’t even cross, so the question is is it stupidity or iron discipline ???????????????
  3. Epaulettes
    Epaulettes 3 January 2023 14: 36
    +13
    Strict discipline is when the commander ordered everyone to gather at the vocational school in Makeevka for quartering, and the soldier has no right to object, right? ..
    After all, orders must be carried out implicitly, strictly and just in time.
    1. dnestr74
      dnestr74 3 January 2023 14: 41
      -2
      And that the rally should have been opened? Set up a vote?
      1. Vrotkompot
        Vrotkompot 3 January 2023 14: 47
        +8
        At least try to report to the top through other subdivisions about the criminality of the order. I don’t know how according to the charter, but in fact, after receiving the order and the answer “Yes!”, It should be possible to continue in the spirit:
        - Permit me to contact Comrade Chief!
        - I allow!
        - I consider your order to place 400 people and an ammunition depot in one building within the radius of destruction of the enemy's high-precision weapons, which has a huge network of satellite reconnaissance and intelligence networks, I consider criminal! I propose to disperse the military in small groups in different parts of the city (village). In the absence of adequate arguments from your side, refuting my fears, I will be forced to immediately duplicate my concerns to the military prosecutor's office of the district and to higher authorities!
      2. Planem
        Planem 3 January 2023 14: 59
        +5
        Demand should be from everyone, up to the very top, and then the discipline for the fighters will be beneficial. And the irresponsibility of commanders and chiefs leads to such tragedies, defeats and "regroupings" of troops ..
    2. Planem
      Planem 3 January 2023 14: 57
      +7
      That's it! Strict discipline in the troops without the responsibility of senior officers and generals for the results of military operations, for the life and health of subordinates - this is a disaster!
    3. Void
      Void 3 January 2023 17: 46
      +1
      I don’t think that there was a strict discipline, if everyone began to use mobile phones en masse. It just looks more like sloppiness
  4. Egoza
    Egoza 3 January 2023 14: 39
    +3
    Literally all major Ukrainian channels publish videos of the destruction of a hotel complex in the Kherson region, where some operatives lived.
    “Meanwhile, the Armed Forces of Ukraine ended up in the Grand Prix suburban complex in the Oleshkovsky district of the Kherson region. Thank you for showing us everything,” Ukrainians joke on their channels.
    What we have: first, some brilliant figure posted a photo in which, by the logo, you can understand the location of the place where the fighters are based.
    And after the arrival, one of the fighters took a detailed report on where they flew in and what was destroyed where ...
    And this is after 10 months of war ...

    Source: https://rusvesna.su/news/1672722996

    To the question "About discipline"
  5. Epaulettes
    Epaulettes 3 January 2023 14: 58
    +7
    Quote: Sergio_7
    I completely agree! Discipline according to the laws of war must be! And the demand is the same from everyone, whether it be an officer or a private!


    Right now.
    And it means that there should be no demand from officials, right? Only from privates and officers?

    And why was that "frame", which blew 1,5 million sets of uniforms, sent for promotion, and not to the front line ???
  6. Moneron
    Moneron 3 January 2023 14: 58
    +5
    the unit commander, who gave the order to quarter and celebrate the new year under the nose of the enemy, must be demonstratively destroyed in front of the surviving soldiers ..... due to obvious unsuitability, which entailed grave consequences.
    in Finnish, just as unsuccessful, for similar stupidity, the division commander of grapes, the commander of the defeated 44 red army division .... with his chief of staff, was publicly shot.
    1. Amper
      Amper 3 January 2023 16: 51
      +2
      Vovan does not throw HIS OWN, who then to rely on in case of a riot! feel C. children, but their own!! bully
  7. invisible_man
    invisible_man 3 January 2023 15: 01
    +3
    For some reason, they forget that at the dawn of the "Russian Spring" the enemy actually did not have an army.
    1. dmi.pris1
      dmi.pris1 3 January 2023 15: 06
      +1
      Well, why? There was an army, but its qualities were very low. However, if it weren’t for our help with vacationers, equipment, even then they would have finished with the LDNR.
    2. Amper
      Amper 3 January 2023 16: 48
      +1
      But the guarantor and Co. had absolute confidence in the correctness and no alternative to the Minsk agreement with the Western boys. wassat Western vilely threw our "correct" ones, got mochilovo in response fellow
  8. spirit
    spirit 3 January 2023 15: 11
    +9
    Military discipline only works in a well-organized army. As it was in ancient Rome. The soldiers fully trust the skill of the commander, and he fully trusts his soldiers. Whom will our soldiers fully trust? Half of the generals in our army are "vegetables" that Konya drank in bathhouses for 20 years and degraded. Is this what soldiers should trust them? All of them are trying to find the extreme in ordinary soldiers. I also have great military thinkers Journalists ....
    1. Thorvlobnor IV
      Thorvlobnor IV 3 January 2023 18: 58
      +1
      Exactly! In order to disperse l / s and ammunition depots in order to protect them from simultaneous loss, firstly, you need to be able to do this (planning and working out in exercises), and secondly, you need to have high-quality encrypted communication between dispersed objects.
      It turns out this: the authorities demand that quickly, "for yesterday" and a minimum of costs. We do everything as simply as possible, improvisation is not welcome, as a result, all the eggs are in one funnel.
  9. rocket757
    rocket757 3 January 2023 15: 13
    +2
    Let's just say that the CHARTERS were not written by stupid people and for specific reasons / situations!
    But, time goes by and changes must be made to them corresponding to the current situation!
    At the expense of the need to comply with the charters ... something is mandatory and unconditional, but there is a need to take into account the current situation !!! soldier
  10. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 3 January 2023 15: 36
    0
    Whoo! Regular troops ... and problems with military discipline! belay What do we have? The beginning of 1918? The Red Army has just been created and "so far" has the character of semi-partisan formations? belay What? Not 1918, but 2023? And where does the "partisanism" come from? At the "second army in the world"? An anecdote involuntarily comes to mind: "Krendets, we have arrived! Hello, girls!" ... recourse
  11. Amper
    Amper 3 January 2023 16: 42
    -3
    Such shuffling is part of HZhP. soldier The goal is to mislead the enemy! wassat Always succeeds and surprises everyone! soldier With our Civil Code, Defense Ministry, General Staff and in the field, you can overturn any military art and lower it to a new level never seen before fellow
  12. Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 4 January 2023 04: 55
    +1
    Quote: Alien From
    In general, it is strange that military correspondents talk about discipline in military personnel. After this, I watched the ""star"" just sick.

    And who, in your opinion, should raise the question of discipline before the political leadership? Military leadership?
    But don't you think that this military leadership is to blame for the lousy discipline? And if this is so, then will it punish itself? The answer is it won't. And then we return to the military commissars again. Let them raise the question of discipline and the replacement of imbecile generals.
    An example is when, at the beginning of the German offensive in 1914, France suffered several severe defeats, the French leadership replaced 3/4 of all generals with senior officers in one day. And we had to do the same back in April-May.
  13. Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 4 January 2023 04: 56
    0
    Quote: YOUR
    In general, we do not accept collective complaints.

    Well, in vain
  14. StarWarrior
    StarWarrior 4 January 2023 20: 29
    +1
    What is currently in the Russian Federation is garbage, I speak with knowledge of the matter!
    True military discipline is this:
    Criminal Code of the RSFSR of 1960:

    Article 238. Disobedience

    c) disobedience committed in time of war or in a combat situation, -

    shall be punishable by death or imprisonment for a term of five to ten years.

    Article 239. Non-execution of an order

    c) the act provided for by paragraph "a" of this article, committed in wartime or in a combat situation -

    shall be punishable by imprisonment for a term of three to ten years.

    Article 240

    c) the acts provided for by paragraph "b" of this article, if they are associated with the deliberate murder of a commander or other person performing duties in military service, or were committed in wartime or in a combat situation, -

    shall be punishable by death or imprisonment for a term of five to fifteen years.

    Article 241

    c) the act provided for by paragraph "a" of this article, committed in wartime or in a combat situation -

    shall be punishable by imprisonment for a term of three to ten years.

    Article 242

    b) the same acts committed in time of war or in a combat situation, if they caused grave consequences, -

    shall be punishable by death or imprisonment for a term of five to fifteen years.

    Article 243

    Insult by a violent action of a subordinate chief, as well as by the chief of a subordinate -

    shall be punishable by imprisonment for a term of six months to five years.

    Article 244

    c) the deeds provided for by paragraphs "a" and "b" of this article, committed by a group of persons, or with the use of weapons, as well as entailed grave consequences, -

    shall be punishable by deprivation of liberty for a term up to twelve years.

    Article 245. Unauthorized absence

    b) the same acts committed in time of war, -

    shall be punishable by imprisonment for a term of two to ten years;

    Article 246. Unauthorized abandonment of a unit or place of service

    d) the acts provided for by paragraphs "a" and "b" of this article, committed in wartime, if the unauthorized absence lasted more than one day, -

    shall be punishable by deprivation of liberty for a term of five to ten years.

    Article 247. Desertion

    b) the same acts committed in time of war, -

    shall be punishable by death or imprisonment for a term of five to ten years;

    Article 248

    Unauthorized abandonment of a unit or place of service in a combat situation, regardless of the duration, -

    shall be punishable by death or imprisonment for a term of three to ten years.

    Article 249

    b) the same acts committed in time of war or in a combat situation, -

    shall be punishable by death or imprisonment for a term of five to ten years.

    Article 250

    e) the deeds provided for by paragraph "d" of this article, committed in wartime or in a combat situation -

    shall be punishable by imprisonment for a term of two to seven years.

    Article 251. Deliberate destruction or damage to military property

    c) the act provided for by paragraph "b" of this article, committed in wartime or in a combat situation -

    shall be punished by imprisonment for a term of five to ten years or by death.

    Article 251.1. Violation of the rules for handling weapons, as well as substances and objects that pose an increased danger to others

    c) the act provided for by paragraph "a" of this article, which caused the death of several persons or other grave consequences, -

    shall be punishable by imprisonment for a term of three to fifteen years.

    Article 252. Violation of the rules for driving or operating machines

    shall be punishable by imprisonment for a term of two to ten years.

    Article 254. Violation of navigation rules

    shall be punishable by imprisonment for a term of three to ten years.

    Article 255. Violation of the statutory rules of guard duty

    f) the act provided for by paragraph "c" of this article, committed in wartime or in a combat situation -

    shall be punished by imprisonment for a term of three to ten years or by death.

    Article 256. Violation of the rules for carrying out the border service

    c) the act provided for by paragraph "a" of this article, which entailed grave consequences, -

    shall be punishable by imprisonment for a term of three to ten years.

    Article 257. Violation of the rules for carrying out combat duty

    d) the acts provided for in paragraphs "a" and "c" of this article, committed in wartime, -

    shall be punishable by death or imprisonment for a term of five to fifteen years.

    Article 258. Violation of the statutory rules of internal service

    d) the act provided for by paragraph "c" of this article, committed in wartime or in a combat situation -

    shall be punishable by imprisonment for a term of one to five years.

    Article 259. Disclosure of military secrets or loss of documents containing military secrets

    the applicable sentence is deprivation of liberty for a term of two to five years;

    Article 260. Abuse of power, excess or inaction of power

    c) the deeds provided for in paragraphs "a" and "b" of this article, committed in wartime or in a combat situation -

    shall be punishable by imprisonment for a term of five to fifteen years or by death.

    Article 260.1. Negligent attitude towards service

    d) the acts provided for in paragraphs "a" and "c" of this article, committed in wartime or in a combat situation -

    shall be punishable by deprivation of liberty for a term of three to ten years.
    1. StarWarrior
      StarWarrior 4 January 2023 21: 12
      0
      Article 261

      Surrendering to the enemy by the commander of the military forces entrusted to him, as well as leaving to the enemy fortifications, military equipment and other means of warfare not caused by a combat situation, if these actions were not committed for the purpose of assisting the enemy, -

      shall be punishable by imprisonment for a term of three to ten years or by death.

      Article 262

      b) the same deed committed in time of war or in a combat situation, -

      shall be punishable by death or imprisonment for a term of ten to fifteen years.

      Article 263. Unauthorized abandonment of the battlefield or refusal to use weapons


      Unauthorized leaving of the battlefield during a battle or refusal to use a weapon during a battle -

      shall be punishable by death or imprisonment for a term of fifteen years.

      Section 264. Voluntary Surrender


      Voluntary surrender due to cowardice or cowardice -

      shall be punishable by death or imprisonment for a term of fifteen years.

      Article 265. Criminal actions of a soldier who is in captivity

      shall be punishable by imprisonment for a term of three to ten years;

      Article 266. Looting

      The abduction on the battlefield of things that are with the dead and wounded (looting), -

      shall be punished by imprisonment for a term of three to ten years or by death.

      Article 267. Violence against the population in the area of ​​military operations

      Robbery, illegal destruction of property, violence, as well as illegal taking of property under the pretext of military necessity, committed in relation to the population in the area of ​​military operations -

      shall be punishable by imprisonment for a term of three to ten years or by death.

      Article 268. Ill-treatment of prisoners of war

      a) Ill-treatment of prisoners of war, which has taken place repeatedly, or accompanied by special cruelty, or directed against the sick and wounded, as well as the negligent performance of duties in relation to the sick and wounded by persons who are entrusted with their treatment and care, in the absence of signs of more serious crime -

      shall be punishable by imprisonment for a term of one to three years;

      Article 269. Illegal wearing of the Red Cross and Red Crescent signs and their abuse

      Wearing in the area of ​​military operations the signs of the Red Cross or the Red Crescent by persons who do not have the right to do so, as well as the misuse in wartime of the flags or signs of the Red Cross and the Red Crescent or the coloring assigned to vehicles of sanitary evacuation -

      shall be punishable by imprisonment for a term of three months to one year.

      This is real discipline, and the rules that are now in the Russian Federation are an empty place!