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Soviet propaganda in 1946-1964: the image of the West and cinema

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Soviet propaganda in 1946-1964: the image of the West and cinema
Boris Efimov, 1953



Yesterday's allies are today's enemies. Image of the West in propaganda


During the Great Patriotic War, Western countries, especially the United States and Great Britain, were shown in all media as loyal allies who provided invaluable assistance in the fight against Nazi Germany and its allies. However, the war ended, and soon the “revelations of the world imperialists” familiar in the 1930s returned to the newspapers. Relations between the USSR and its former allies escalated, and this aggravation was called the Cold War. This term was first used in 1946 by George Orwell, and has since become firmly entrenched in the world's media.

At the end of Stalin's rule, the USSR again fenced itself off from the rest of the world. In the late 1940s, relations deteriorated even with the formerly allied socialist Yugoslavia, whose leader Tito did not want to be Stalin's puppet and made this clear. Later, already under Khrushchev, relations also deteriorated with China, whose leader Mao Zedong did not accept the de-Stalinization taking place in the USSR.

The deterioration of relations with the West was reflected not only in newspapers, but also in numerous cartoons, the authors of which were the Kukryniksy already known to us, as well as Boris Yefimov, Lev Brodaty and many others. In these cartoons, Americans were shown as treacherous, aggressive, and belligerent, just as the Nazis had been shown until recently.

The Americans and the NATO bloc they created were credited with conquering plans, building up weapons, violating the sovereignty of other countries. For example, in one of the cartoons of that time, Soviet propagandists were worried about the sovereignty of Belgium, on whose territory American military units were stationed. Similar actions of the Soviet Union itself, which sent its troops into Hungary in 1956 and into Czechoslovakia in 1968, were modestly hushed up, or else they were presented as "restoration of socialist legality." At the same time, for obvious reasons, Soviet propagandists no longer worried about the sovereignty of these countries.

In addition, Soviet propaganda actively exaggerated the topic of how bad things are in the West. The term "decaying West", which appeared in the 1940th century, very accurately describes such propaganda. The posters showed great opportunities for talented people in the USSR and, at the same time, the absence of such opportunities for gifted citizens in capitalist countries. It was argued that we have freedom, equality, prosperity, while they (in the USA) have lack of rights, unemployment and poverty. The propagandists, of course, did not mention the fact that there was lack of rights, poverty, and in the late XNUMXs, hunger in the USSR itself.


Such propaganda about the “decaying West” took place at the same time when the slogan, directly opposite in meaning, was being actively introduced - “to catch up and overtake America”. Here the propaganda has driven itself into a corner: if everything is fine with us, and everything is bad with them, then why are we forced to catch up with them, and not vice versa? The people actively went anecdote on this topic:

“The question that the Armenian radio could not answer is: what will happen when we overtake America, which is on the brink of the abyss?”

After a couple of decades, when the USSR will live out its last years, the inept propaganda of slandering the capitalist countries will lead to the exact opposite result: the extreme idealization of the West will begin in the public mind. A popular hit of that time will be the song of the group "Combination" "American Boy", the meaning of which boils down to the fact that a Moscow girl dreams of marrying an American and leaving the USSR as soon as possible. That is, in her view, an American was much more promising than any compatriot. Such mass sentiments at the end of the 1980s are the result of the complete failure of Soviet propaganda in this direction.

Cinematography: from decline to prosperity


Soviet cinema, having experienced some upsurge in the 1930s, by the end of the 1940s again found itself in a deep crisis. In all films, the ideological component was in the first place: the glorification of the correct course of the ruling party, the leader, the advantages of the Soviet model of socialism and, of course, the confident movement into a “bright future”. The main characters of such films often speak in slogans. There were no complex characters in which both positive and negative features were intertwined, as is often the case in real life, in the films of this period. Only unequivocal good and unambiguous evil. Moreover, good is always on the side of socialism, the party, evil is always against them.

If one of the directors made a film that deviated even slightly from the generally accepted canons, then such a film was immediately subjected to sharp criticism and was forbidden to be shown. A typical example is the second episode of Leonid Lukov's 1946 film Big Life. The film shows the unsatisfactory living conditions of the miners of Donbass, someone's roof is leaking, someone is abusing alcohol. The main critic of the film was Stalin himself, who stated at a meeting of the Organizing Bureau of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks:

“They say now that the film needs to be fixed. I do not know how to do that. If it is technically possible, it should be done, but what will be left there? The gypsy must be thrown out. The fact that eight girls who appeared by chance turned everything in the Donbass is a fairy tale, an unthinkable thing. This also needs to be corrected. The fact that people live in terrible conditions, almost under the sky, that the engineer in charge of the mine does not know where to sleep, all this will have to be thrown out.

As a result, this film will first appear on the screens only in 1958.

A very similar situation occurred in the same years with the second series of Sergei Eisenstein's film Ivan the Terrible. If in the first series Ivan the Terrible is shown as a progressive monarch, then in the second he is a tyrant and a murderer, and the army of guardsmen he created is a nightmare for the people. This was extremely disliked by Stalin, who obviously compared himself to Grozny.

In September 1946, the Central Committee of the CPSU(b) criticized the second series:

“Director S. Eisenstein in the second series of the film “Ivan the Terrible” discovered ignorance in the image historical facts, presenting the progressive army of guardsmen of Ivan the Terrible in the form of a gang of degenerates, like the American Ku Klux Klan, and Ivan the Terrible, a man with a strong will and character, as weak and weak-willed, something like Hamlet.

The further fate of the film was the same as that of "Big Life" - it was also shown for the first time only in 1958.

Shot from the film "Ivan the Terrible"
Frame from the film "Ivan the Terrible"

As a result of the ban on many films, the period of 1946-1953 in Soviet cinema was called "Malokartinye". Even foreigners noticed the decline of Soviet film production in the early 1950s. In 1952, the New York Times columnist and specialist on the Soviet Union Harry Schwartz, having learned that a Hollywood film about Tarzan, filmed in the USA back in 1932, had been released on Soviet screens, wrote:

“A case worthy of surprise. Even the most venerable Stalinist dialecticians are unlikely to turn Hollywood's Tarzan Johnny Weissmuller into a communist propagandist. Edgar Rice Burroughs' savage woodland story is rife with thrills and adventure, but hardly has the social significance that the Kremlin so prizes. But the fact remains. In Moscow, they dug up old films about Tarzan, showed them in cinemas and found that the audience adores them. And this is after years of denunciations of Hollywood and its "bourgeois decay."

The post-war crisis and the decline of Soviet cinema did not last long - until the death of Stalin. Under Khrushchev, cinema in the USSR reaches a new level. Many Soviet films receive awards at foreign film festivals, and the names of the most famous of them have been heard for many years: "The Cranes Are Flying", "The Ballad of a Soldier", "The Fate of a Man", "Spring on Zarechnaya Street", "Welcome, or Strangers no entry”, “Amphibian Man”, “Height” and others. Directors of that era, such as Eldar Ryazanov, Marlen Khutsiev, Grigory Chukhrai, Georgy Daneliya, also became famous far beyond the borders of the USSR.

Shot from the film "The Cranes Are Flying"
Shot from the film "The Cranes Are Flying"

During the years of the Thaw, films became less ideological and less aimed at political propaganda. They have become more art, more human, less party. For example, Khrushchev did not like the film The Cranes Are Flying and was criticized by the press as ideologically wrong, but, unlike Stalin's times, it was not banned, it was loved by the audience and even received the Palme d'Or at the International Cannes Film Festival in 1958.

All this in many respects served as the basis for the highest flowering of Soviet cinema, which will take place in the 1960s-1980s.
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  1. parusnik
    parusnik 6 January 2023 06: 08
    +7
    The Americans and the NATO bloc they created were credited with conquering plans, building up weapons, violating the sovereignty of other countries.
    What has changed now? For 30 years the West and the USA have been partners, now they are not friendly countries ..
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 6 January 2023 06: 54
      +12
      What has changed now? For 30 years the West and the USA have been partners, now they are not friendly countries ..

      Good morning Alexey!
      I will express a seditious thought. Perhaps the most correct thing is to learn to live with your own head and for the sake of purely your own interests, not for the sake of “partners will like it” or “catch up and overtake”!
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 6 January 2023 07: 13
        +16
        This is an idea .. how to live .. and what is the difference between "Stalinist" propaganda, when the Americans and the NATO bloc they created were credited with conquest plans, arms buildup, violation of the sovereignty of other countries and now, the same is attributed to the same? Ah! Then it was not true, but today the truth is a uterus that hurts the eyes. That is, today, it's different laughing
      2. kalibr
        kalibr 6 January 2023 08: 14
        +7
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        Perhaps the most correct thing is to learn to live with your own head and for the sake of purely your own interests, not for the sake of “partners will like it” or “catch up and overtake”!

        Most... +++++++++++++++!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    2. depressant
      depressant 6 January 2023 09: 58
      +7
      For 30 years the West and the US have been partners, now they are not friendly countries.


      Alexey Anatolyevich, good morning!
      Yes, it shocked me too. Well, it’s not naivety that is a person who rules a huge country, but is always deceived.
  2. Luminman
    Luminman 6 January 2023 06: 10
    +18

    If Russia wins...
    Their propaganda posters were no worse ...
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 6 January 2023 07: 27
      +18
      Quote: Luminman
      Their propaganda posters were no worse ...

      The author is not interested, the author of the "Spark" of the 90s is nostalgic.
      1. your vsr 66-67
        your vsr 66-67 8 January 2023 14: 00
        0
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        Quote: Luminman
        Their propaganda posters were no worse ...

        The author is not interested, the author of the "Spark" of the 90s is nostalgic.


        Yes, and with Yugoslavia and Josip Broz Tito, the author clearly confused something. Namely, in the late 1940s, relations deteriorated even with the previously allied socialist Yugoslavia, whose leader Tito did not want to be Stalin's puppet and made this clear.
        But I personally, with my own eyes, saw Tito and Khrushchev around 1958, when they drove in open limousines, standing and to the enthusiastic "cheers" through our city, and we, at that time fourth graders, stood in the forefront of the enthusiastic public and threw flowers them to the cars. And they were followed by a very long procession of cars, which neither we, children nor adults, have ever seen in our eyes!
    2. Akuzenka
      Akuzenka 6 January 2023 18: 28
      +1
      Their propaganda posters were no worse ...
      Poor thing, she has no shoes, no pantyhose. They were undressed in the west - were they undressed? laughing Or just the exploitation of a defenseless female? Even with manicure and hair.
  3. To state
    To state 6 January 2023 06: 14
    +10
    Something like this .... But if you compare it with the nineties and up to our time, then those films are simply masterpieces
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 6 January 2023 07: 12
      +10
      And let's compare: "The Immortal Garrison" and "Brest Fortress", "Star" and "Star", "The Dawns Here Are Quiet" and "The Dawns Here Are Quiet", "Prisoner of the Caucasus" and "Prisoner of the Caucasus" ... There is a difference ? The events are the same, but the perceptions are different ....
      1. depressant
        depressant 6 January 2023 10: 10
        +1
        The events are the same, but the perceptions are different ....

        Vladimir, you twice listed the "Prisoner of the Caucasus". Probably missed something? )))
        And... Don't hurt me!
        The film "The Dawns Here Are Quiet" sharply disliked. Sleek ladies in swamps. Although the idea is clear, everything is transparent. But... something artificial in the concept of the film. Like, let's create just such a situation, according to the book. Didn't want to review.
        The Chinese loved it! They removed their version.
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 6 January 2023 10: 21
          +9
          Quote: depressant
          twice listed "Prisoner of the Caucasus"

          I listed THAT films and THESE! As they say: feel the difference!
          Lyudmila hi
          1. depressant
            depressant 6 January 2023 10: 51
            +3
            Do you know Vladimir...
            In the last year, "Prisoner of the Caucasus" began to play again - not with comedy, but with tragic meanings. Gaidai saw more of a mass audience in the RSFSR. Something that the time has not come to talk about. And when he comes, it will be too late to speak and life-threatening.
            I spoke, they put me out of Telegram VO. What the Soviet people laughed at good-naturedly grew into an irresistible force.
            The current propaganda is false through and through.
            1. Uncle lee
              Uncle lee 6 January 2023 13: 57
              +2
              Quote: depressant
              What the Soviet people laughed at good-naturedly grew into an irresistible force.

              Then it was funny, or just caused a smile - like, with whom it does not happen ...
              Quote: depressant
              current propaganda

              Stupid, incompetent and only causes irritation .....
        2. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 6 January 2023 22: 39
          +1
          There are two modern versions of "The Dawns Here Are Quiet". One of them is Chinese, but with Russian actors.
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 7 January 2023 01: 37
            +1
            "How steel was tempered" 42, did not see; 56 and 73 are well placed. 99 - China - did not see ....
      2. Alexander Kuksin
        Alexander Kuksin 15 January 2023 10: 18
        0
        I agree with you! But there is one feature here... The first impression. When I recall the film Star, the image of Nikolai Kryuchkov in the role rises in front of me. But the remake is no longer remembered except for the sobbing telephone operator. Once upon a time in the Kiev Russian Drama Theater for the first time I saw the Warsaw Melody with Ada Rogovtseva in the title role. And then neither Alisa Freindlich nor Yulia Borisovna impressed. But the father adored Borisov in this role. In my opinion, remakes are created by low-profile directors. I try not to watch, except for those who create a film close to the text of the work. And not by principle, I see it that way. Although there are overlays here too ... Everyone adores the film Officers! Always marveled at the sense of fragmentation in a film. And when I read Vasiliev's script, I realized that the film could have been made a masterpiece of world culture. It can be seen bitch children in power did not like it.
  4. Nikolay Malyugin
    Nikolay Malyugin 6 January 2023 06: 16
    +19
    Here the question is only as follows - how, under such overwhelming Soviet censorship, were masterpieces of cinema created? And how, in the absence of this censorship, one more or less film was not staged, which would be perceived by all the people and the world community?
    1. novel66
      novel66 6 January 2023 07: 00
      +8
      I don't remember who said - the artist must be hungry! Then he creates for eternity. Satiated - no
      1. Alexander Kuksin
        Alexander Kuksin 15 January 2023 10: 37
        0
        And that's right! Under the Soviets, all pop artists were assigned to the regional philharmonics. They came up with a plan. They paid something from 1,5 to 2,5 rubles per room. In general, only those who were devoted to this art lived on the edge. And we had a very good Soviet stage. For me personally, all the Beatles, BonyM and hard rock passed by. Youth passed on Vysotsky, Vizbor, Okudzhava, Magomaev ... But the formation, I think, on the songs of Vysotsky ... At our airport, on the pre-flight, Vysotsky's songs always sounded. Yes... sorry... To the question... All these Chaldeans must be kept at the half-starved limit! Then natural selection kicks in. Well, it must be an officer with his family wandering around the corners, and this permafrost is building castles!
    2. kalibr
      kalibr 6 January 2023 08: 12
      +8
      Quote: Nikolay Malyugin
      Nikolay Malyugin

      Dear Nikolay! And the rigid framework makes you strain your mind - that's where the masterpieces come out. And when you can do everything ... why think, then strain. Pipla will eat it anyway!
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 6 January 2023 08: 34
        +3
        The main condition of any propaganda is the sensory hunger of the audience. Cinema, as a means of propaganda, is, first of all, a spectacle. What kind of entertainment can we talk about if until the eighties there was a shortage of polychrome film in the country?
        1. parusnik
          parusnik 6 January 2023 09: 48
          +11
          Was there a shortage of polychrome film in the country?
          Now, there is no shortage, where are the masterpieces? Hitler, kaput, Eggs of fate, etc.. Masterpieces ..?
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 6 January 2023 10: 05
            +3
            Now there is a deficit of sensory hunger.
            1. Korsar4
              Korsar4 6 January 2023 11: 50
              +3
              You can shut up and think. And he might show up.
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 6 January 2023 12: 01
                +3
                It is possible, of course, but why then any information carriers of impressions at all?
                1. Korsar4
                  Korsar4 6 January 2023 13: 09
                  +2
                  My brain, greedy for knowledge, like a spider,
                  He comprehended everything: immobility and movement, -
                  But there is no sense from thoughts and sciences,
                  When everywhere they are refuted.
          2. yuriy55
            yuriy55 7 January 2023 22: 15
            -1
            Quote: parusnik
            Now, there is no shortage, where are the masterpieces?

            In a world without ideology, morality, there will never be masterpieces.
            Films-masterpieces of the Soviet era can be listened to without looking at the screen and understand the plot. Soviet film actors had external charm and individuality. I can distinguish by the voices of at least three dozen actors. And, if you take phrases from films, then I will name the name and the film. From today's crowd of faceless and mediocre, I can single out a few ...
            Yes ... In the USSR, a lot of effort was put into creating and increasing the free time of a Soviet citizen. And today he is obliged to work without rest for a piece of the pie (who gets what) for the coffin of life ... There is not enough time for children (only for dogs and cats), and you are talking about cinema ...
          3. alexoff
            alexoff 8 January 2023 00: 53
            0
            There are masterpieces. For example "Peace. Utopia". And films are expensive, a whole team has to work there, but no one will give money for something smart, no one will appreciate this, no one will bring money.
        2. Bolt cutter
          Bolt cutter 6 January 2023 11: 18
          +8
          shortage of polychrome film?
          In capable hands, black and white is even better.
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 6 January 2023 11: 51
            +2
            In some cases, no doubt. By the way, I watched "Midway" the other day, an interesting director's decision, but it didn't work for me.
            1. Bolt cutter
              Bolt cutter 6 January 2023 11: 59
              +2
              I watched "Midway" the other day.
              The last movie I watched was How to Train a Dragon. yes .
            2. Catfish
              Catfish 6 January 2023 13: 58
              +1
              I also looked and also recently, looked with interest.
              What do you mean by "interesting director's decision"?
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 6 January 2023 15: 18
                +1
                What year did you watch the movie? 1976 or 2019?
                By an interesting decision, I mean that I got the impression that Emerich wanted to make a film in the style of the 50s. Now they don't shoot like that.
        3. Trilobite Master
          Trilobite Master 6 January 2023 13: 29
          +4
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          The main condition of any propaganda is the sensory hunger of the audience.

          Disagree. And the point is not even that "sensory hunger" is a concept more physiological than social, but that the success of any propaganda depends, first of all, on its intensity and lack of alternatives. You can inspire anyone with anything, if this "anything" will be carried from every iron and will not have an alternative.
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          Cinema, as a means of propaganda, is, first of all, a spectacle.

          Cinematography as an art form is multifaceted and interesting. Propaganda is only one of its functions, along with education, enlightenment, and entertainment.
          When all these functions in art are harmoniously combined, art is interesting. When a roll is made in the direction of one thing, interest is lost. Modern cinema is almost the whole essence of entertainment, therefore it is bland and monotonous.
          Cinema of the 60s more diverse, therefore interesting. And it's not about color.
        4. setter
          setter 6 January 2023 15: 40
          +4
          The main condition of any propaganda is the sensory hunger of the audience.

          The main condition of any propaganda is the inability of the audience to critical, rational, and not emotional perception of information. This is the foundation, classic. Without it, propaganda has zero effect.
      2. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 6 January 2023 10: 40
        -1
        Here come the masterpieces.
        But these masterpieces were for the domestic consumer.
    3. Sugar Honeyovich
      Sugar Honeyovich 6 January 2023 11: 13
      +2
      Apparently, such was censorship ... both forbidding and guiding good
  5. Coward
    Coward 6 January 2023 06: 45
    +6
    Hmm, did the author make a mistake with the racks and take the training manual from the shelf about Stalin?
    1. Oldbaton
      Oldbaton 6 January 2023 07: 08
      +10
      Obviously yes. But I don't think I was wrong. He took, knowing what he takes. Well, twisting a figure in your pocket is a common bohemian occupation. Here, either the hand was numb, or something else ... In short, they took the fig out of their pocket and twisted it in public ... For a long time this did not come across on the pages of VO.
  6. parusnik
    parusnik 6 January 2023 06: 53
    +15
    As a result of the ban on many films, the period of 1946-1953 in Soviet cinema was called "Malokartinye".
    Announce, please, the entire list, how many came out and how many were banned. "Small picture" was primarily associated with financing, during this period, many art and historical films were shot, I will name only one as an example: Admiral Ushakov .. Evaluate the mass character of the scenes, costumes, scenery and estimate how much money it took .. And according to Your series of articles, it seems that you are using some kind of source, and you yourself were not interested in this issue.
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 6 January 2023 07: 11
      +12
      For the sake of interest, I looked at 1947. There "Cinderella", "The Legend of the Siberian Land."

      I don't know much about films at all. But the films of the Soviet era can still close the gaps for a long time.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 6 January 2023 07: 38
        +6
        "The great warrior of Albania Skanderbeg" look .. Very interesting ..
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 6 January 2023 07: 43
          +3
          Leafed further. And I came across this movie. "Transferred to the shelf" in the film library. Saw a small monument to Skanderbeg.
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 6 January 2023 07: 44
        +5
        I report the situation yes... if my boys watch old Soviet films, at least sometimes, then their friends and classmates are not very eager to watch and talk about this topic, alas.
        I clarify .... the boys grew up on Russian / Soviet fairy tales, cartoons, movies, books, a little diluted with Disney products, for example, but very limited.
        Now they are in their transitional age and they have to conduct special work, so as not to lose what they worked on before!
        Tik-tok, toys, coca-cola and other temptations, this is serious, you have to fight it by any means!
        By the way, I myself like a very limited number of Soviet films, but this is not so much an ideology, it's just the taste, a pick, as they say to me.
        Here they wrote about the film "The Last Inch" .... he himself watched it more than once and showed it to the boys! However, my boys watched The Lark, remembered it, and then slightly criticized the modern remake, although they liked it like a hedgehog. The theme of the films is similar, but they are different ...
        1. kalibr
          kalibr 6 January 2023 08: 09
          +6
          Quote: rocket757
          By the way, I myself love a very limited number of Soviet films, but this is not so much an ideology, it's just the taste,

          And very well. I have a whole list of them... starting from cartoons...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 6 January 2023 08: 18
            +3
            So parents should have "their own list" ... in order to convince the child that this is the most necessary thing, you need to believe in it yourself.
            Here, no manuals, recommendations from the outside will not help, you need inner confidence that this is how it should be, that's right.
        2. Korsar4
          Korsar4 6 January 2023 08: 19
          +5
          I show successful episodes to my middle son and daughter from what I come across. Or corresponding to the moment of life.

          The elders themselves are already educating me both in terms of books and films.

          Another thing is that nothing good will come of it if you live only for the past day.

          And to choose something worthwhile from today's day is not at all easy.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 6 January 2023 08: 41
            +6
            "This day" ... just this, on our children, the younger generation falls so much, just have time to sort it out and filter, because there is everyone there ...
            The other day, he had a whole debate with the boys about modern music. They were very surprised when I liked the song of contemporary artists, because it was different from what I usually listen to.
            I am a fan of rock, Russian rock and everything that is somewhere nearby ... and here I did exercises for modern, almost, pop music !!!
            I had to disassemble the song... a beautiful, rhythmic melody, a good performer, a beautiful text!!! Why can't she like me???
            For example, I dismantled a modern, fashionable one, don’t understand what ... they understood and it makes me happy.
            The main thing is to engage in the upbringing of your descendants yourself, otherwise someone else will do it and it’s not a fact that it will benefit us, the descendants!
            1. Korsar4
              Korsar4 6 January 2023 09: 30
              +5
              There are very successful songs with words. For example, Chancellor Guy, the recently departed Leonid Sergeev.

              Although, of course, everything is individual.
    2. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 6 January 2023 08: 49
      +9
      And according to your series of articles, it seems that you are using some kind of source,
      The author uses the filing of "Lights" from the time of the editor-in-chief Korotich (late 80s)
  7. tatra
    tatra 6 January 2023 07: 16
    +9
    Soviet propaganda did not tell even a tenth of how much this Absolute Evil is - external and internal enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people.
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 6 January 2023 08: 07
      +1
      Quote: tatra
      Soviet propaganda did not tell even a tenth of how much this Absolute Evil is - external and internal enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people.

      Then she would have to explain why so many enemies in such a holy and prosperous world!
      1. 27091965
        27091965 6 January 2023 08: 40
        +10
        Quote: kalibr
        Quote: tatra
        Soviet propaganda did not tell even a tenth of how much this Absolute Evil is - external and internal enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people.

        Then she would have to explain why so many enemies in such a holy and prosperous world!

        Soviet propaganda explained this, and it’s not bad enough. Changing your perception of reality cannot affect the opinions of other people.
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 6 January 2023 10: 49
          +4
          Soviet propaganda explained this, and it’s not bad enough. Changing your perception of reality cannot influence other people's opinions.
          This is a professional Marxist-Leninist. He always wavered along with the party line. And now, although the party is different, it still wavers.
          1. 27091965
            27091965 9 January 2023 16: 56
            0
            Quote: Aviator_
            This is a professional Marxist-Leninist. He always wavered along with the party line. And now, although the party is different, it still wavers.

            It is difficult to judge, a person chooses the path on which to go. But as the saying goes, "think before you do it, and don't repent if you do it, if punishment overtakes you."
  8. Unknown
    Unknown 6 January 2023 07: 28
    +9
    During the Great Patriotic War, Western countries, especially the United States and Great Britain, were shown in all media as loyal allies who provided invaluable assistance in the fight against Nazi Germany and its allies.
    In what kind of Soviet media was it about " the invaluable help of the allies ", they helped - thanks, they didn’t help, they would have done it themselves, and what about" Faithful", the Soviet government and personally Comrade Stalin had deep doubts. Behind such "allies" eye and eye ...
    .< We Russians think that in the current situation on the fronts, when the enemy is facing the inevitability of surrender, at any meeting with the Germans on questions of surrender of representatives of one of the allies, the participation of representatives of the other ally in this meeting should be ensured. In any case, this is absolutely necessary if this ally seeks participation in such a meeting. The Americans and the British think differently, considering the Russian point of view to be wrong. Based on this, they denied the Russians the right to participate in a meeting with the Germans in Switzerland. I have already written to you and I think it is not superfluous to repeat that the Russians, in a similar situation, would by no means deny the Americans and the British the right to participate in such a meeting. I continue to consider the Russian point of view the only correct one, since it excludes any possibility of mutual suspicion and does not give the enemy the opportunity to sow distrust among us.>
    https://stalinism.ru/dokumentyi/perepiska-i-v-stalina-s-f-ruzveltom-i-g-trumenom-v-godyi-voynyi.html?s
    [/ quote] tart = 5 ... [quote] This term was first used in 1946 by George Orwell, and has since become firmly entrenched in the world media.
    Stop running around with this Orwell, as with an unwritten bag. He was an ardent anti-Soviet and Russophobe, and even his anti-utopian works do not roll into masterpieces. A fake fiction, only in Russia, the so-called "liberal intelligentsia", trudge from his novel<1984>. You need to know history better, then who started the Cold War , it will be seen immediately. Soviet post-war propaganda corresponded to the spirit of the times. The country had to be restored, and even the United States dragged the USSR into an arms race, you can’t relax.
    The propagandists, of course, did not mention the fact that there was lack of rights, poverty, and in the late 1940s, hunger in the USSR itself.
    In the same states, all of the above was enough. John Steinbeck's novel The Grapes of Wrath was initially withdrawn from libraries in New York, St. Louis, Kansas City, and Buffalo due to its detailed depiction of a difficult life. Ireland banned the book in 1953, the Canadian city of Morris in 1982. Due to the use of vulgar words in the 1970s and 80s, the novel was banned in some US schools. Here is what you need to read in order to understand what was happening in the US in those years, and not various utopians who do not know life from the word at all. And in general, it is necessary to stop blaming the USSR, "they didn't tell the whole truth there," etc. Yep, they're talking now. Just a sea of ​​truth, and it makes it easier for everyone.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 6 January 2023 07: 46
      +4
      Stop running around with that Orwell
      Yeah, that's for sure, when the Republican troops launched an offensive against the Francoists, the Poumovites (Trotskyists) and others raised an uprising in Barcelona, ​​J. Orwell fought in the ranks of the POUM .. Krch, the uprising was crushed, and the offensive failed, because the troops had to be withdrawn from the front. .
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 6 January 2023 07: 54
        +7
        And here the question arises: where would Hemingway be now, published in the USSR in millions of copies?...
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 6 January 2023 09: 33
          +5
          No need for a subjunctive.

          It's like imagining where we would be during the Civil War.

          However, in a different scenario, the parents would hardly have met.
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 6 January 2023 09: 50
            +4
            Yes, it is, as it were, not very subjunctive. Having visited Spain, Hemingway was going to the next war. Did not have time. In this connection, he was considered a progressive writer in the Union.
            1. Korsar4
              Korsar4 6 January 2023 11: 15
              +5
              Even now, people from different "camps" can have a completely different selection of literature.
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 6 January 2023 13: 15
                +7
                So this is good, the only question is how this literature influences whom. request
                And not only literature.
                1. Korsar4
                  Korsar4 6 January 2023 18: 42
                  +4
                  Brains can be trained. And not just walk with a bundle to leave.
            2. Catfish
              Catfish 6 January 2023 12: 48
              +2
              . Having been in Spain, Hemingway was going to the next war. Did not have time.

              On what? In the Second, he rode along with the maquis in France, violating the status of a war correspondent, for which the British became attached to him, and the French simply sent him to his mother.
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 6 January 2023 13: 07
                +2
                In Soviet-Finnish. Whose side do you need to explain?
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 6 January 2023 14: 08
                  +7
                  . Whose side do you need to explain?


                  How is it on whose?! In Soviet, of course! laughing wassat
        2. parusnik
          parusnik 6 January 2023 09: 53
          +4
          And then the question arises: where would Hemingway be now
          Hemingway was not in POUM smile
      2. kalibr
        kalibr 6 January 2023 08: 01
        +3
        Dear Alexey, I had an article about POUM here. Re-read, refresh those events in your memory ...
        1. parusnik
          parusnik 6 January 2023 10: 02
          +4
          Dear Vyacheslav Olegovich! I study history, not according to VO articles, in the History section.
    2. kalibr
      kalibr 6 January 2023 08: 06
      +2
      Quote: Unknown
      .Soviet post-war propaganda, responded to the spirit of the times

      How well you pointed out. What answered. But it would be more correct like this: she hesitated in the spirit of the times without explaining the reasons to the people, which eventually turned into - and the author also noted this very correctly - a total distrust of Soviet propaganda in general. I tell you this as a former lecturer of the OK and RK CPSU, I myself encountered this in 1985-90. and even earlier...
      1. Unknown
        Unknown 6 January 2023 12: 47
        +2
        Quote: kalibr
        But it would be more correct like this: she hesitated in the spirit of the times without explaining the reasons to the people, which eventually turned into - and the author also noted this very correctly - a total distrust of Soviet propaganda in general. I tell you this as a former lecturer of the OK and RK CPSU, I myself encountered this in 1985-90. and even earlier...

        Any propaganda, to one degree or another, fluctuates, it does not happen otherwise. Khrushchev decided to blame I.V. Stalin for all the shortcomings of the USSR, which means that it will be. In general, propaganda can be sensible, well-presented, and sometimes vice versa, it causes vomiting. As Comrade Stalin said ...The slogan of agitation and the slogan of action. You can't mix them, it's dangerous..... The successes of the Soviet government were evident, it is not necessary to enumerate, even now the Russian Federation exists thanks to the legacy of the USSR. There were also shortcomings, blunders, without this it is impossible, it does not happen. As the saying goes, "To live life is not to cross a field." They can and should be corrected. For this you need constructive propaganda, and not pouring empty into empty. When newspapers, or as they are called products - number-2, try to explain common truths to people who have lived a difficult life, then distrust appears. Hence the conclusion - it means that those responsible for propaganda are narrow-minded people living on the principle, no matter how something happens, or deliberately discredit the authorities, sowing the seeds of discontent among the masses. This is exactly what happened during Gorbachev's time, 85-90. By chance, did YOU not have a hand in such propaganda?
    3. gsev
      gsev 18 January 2023 03: 34
      0
      Quote: Unknown
      Stop running around with this Orwell, as with an unwritten bag. He was an ardent anti-Soviet and Russophobe,

      Quote: Unknown
      John Steinbeck's novel The Grapes of Wrath was initially withdrawn from libraries in New York, St. Louis, Kansas City, and Buffalo due to its detailed depiction of a difficult life.

      Quote: Unknown
      .Here's what you need to read in order to understand what happened in the USA in those years, and not different utopians

      Steinbeck endorsed the US war in Vietnam. In 1952 he tried to become a CIA informant. Wrote a letter to Yevtushenko demanding the cessation of Soviet assistance to the DRV. In 1967, he was sent by the US President to Vietnam to promote US participation in the Vietnam War. What he wrote during and after this trip is considered an endorsement of the US invasion of Vietnam. Steinbeck, after visiting the USSR in 1963, was awarded the Medal of Freedom by President Johnson in 1964. Orwell wrote books about the working class as a young man. Together with his wife, he defended Republican Spain. He fought for six months at the front for the Republicans, was wounded by a bullet in the throat. He gravitated toward the Catalan Left and the POUM. After the ban on this party, fearing repression (execution) by the NKVD, he fled from Spain with his wife. After that, I came to the conclusion that the world is heading towards dictatorship and the British or Soviet dictatorship will simply be different and you can fight for them against Franco and Hitler. He did not go to war with Hitler due to illness, he conducted propaganda for the Air Force. After the war, he prepared a list of pro-communist literary figures and Soviet intelligence agents for British government agencies. Steinbeck, B. Shaw, C. Chaplin, P. Robson got into the first one. Orwell's list included 2 Soviet intelligence officers. As a sign of allowing to attribute people from their list to Russophiles and communists, they often appeared: a Polish Jew, a Jew ???, a Negro opposes whites. In the West, the full list has not been published due to fear of honor claims from the relatives of the persons included in this list by Orwell. But his predictions are pretty accurate. The USSR degenerated into Ukraine, the Baltic States, Russia, Turkmenistan and beyond. In some countries, nationalism flourishes, in others, just Russophobia, in others, wild material stratification. Yes, and in the countries of the old Western democracy, the state is planted around the world by terrorist regimes like ISIS, Libyan thugs, Ichkerian separatists and Ukrainian Nazi Bandera. Interestingly, Seinbeck appears on the list as a communist, but the latter was effectively used by the US government against Soviet and Vietnamese communists. Apparently, as a journalist, he even flew on sorties against the Vietnamese as part of US aviation crews.
      Quote: Unknown
      Yep, they're talking now. Just a sea of ​​truth, and it makes it easier for everyone.
      If there is an adequate assessment of the state of affairs, the optimality of the decisions taken depends. Both the president and the ordinary engineer need truthful information.
  9. rocket757
    rocket757 6 January 2023 07: 28
    +6
    Soviet propaganda in 1946-1964: the image of the West and cinema
    . Ordinary propaganda, no better and no worse than others ...
    The world is divided, there was a confrontation between systems ... everything related was included in the kit!
  10. U_GOREC
    U_GOREC 6 January 2023 07: 46
    +5
    During the years of the Thaw, films became less ideological and less aimed at political propaganda. They have become more art, more human, less party. For example, Khrushchev did not like the film The Cranes Are Flying and was criticized by the press as ideologically wrong, but, unlike Stalin's times, it was not banned, it was loved by the audience and even received the Palme d'Or at the International Cannes Film Festival in 1958.

    Well, Cannes, like other film festivals, is not an indicator. Leviathan was also favored by various film festivals... It's like judging music by Eurovision... But what is considered in Hollywood or studied by students is Eisenstein's "Battleship Potemkin", and in the American box office there was a redrawn "Planet of Storms". Both are ideological films. So it's not about ideology, but about skill !!!
  11. kalibr
    kalibr 6 January 2023 08: 00
    +5
    That's what it means when a topic does not require reading 1418 newspapers, but allows you to write "in general". In general, in my opinion, everything is much better than in particular. So well done, Andrew! And about "Pravda" during the war years, let's still write better ...
    1. depressant
      depressant 6 January 2023 10: 33
      +3
      Vyacheslav Olegovich, yes, damn it, intrigued already to "I can't stand it!" What is this - this most important article, one of all 1418 issues of the Pravda newspaper?!? wassat )))
      Indeed, let's go!
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      2. Korsar4
        Korsar4 6 January 2023 13: 15
        +4
        But let him first tell us the whole of their Military Secret. You go, bourgeois, and ask him
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 6 January 2023 14: 26
          +5
          [quoteBut let him tell us all their Military Secret first. You go, bourgeoisie, and ask him] [/ quote]
          And all the bourgeois together drove to extort this terrible Military Secret from Vyacheslav, but our Shpakovsky was like the cruiser "Varyag", which died, but did not surrender! soldier
          1. depressant
            depressant 6 January 2023 15: 12
            +5
            Here, two sarcastic comedians - were found! wassat )))
            I did not expect Sergey to tie up!)))
            I'm puffing up with righteous anger here, trying to reason in a high style, and Kostya and Sergey - rrraz! - and laid siege to the propagandist of the old school ...
            I have a steel bowl. She has always been in the family. As long as I can remember. It has not changed over time, withstands any cleaning, is infinitely reliable, without an expiration date. Unlike foreign dishes. She is Soviet, she is propaganda and agitation. So where is the Soviet Union?
            1. Korsar4
              Korsar4 6 January 2023 16: 40
              +4
              The word in the public domain, Lyudmila Yakovlevna, may well be commented on.

              And causticity - more than enough.
          2. Korsar4
            Korsar4 6 January 2023 16: 41
            +5
            On the other hand, neither a basket of cookies nor a barrel of jam has yet been tried to pry.
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 7 January 2023 06: 03
              +2
              It’s better not to meddle with our man without half a liter! What kind of jar of jam is there ... laughing drinks
  12. 27091965
    27091965 6 January 2023 08: 27
    +8
    A couple of decades later, when the USSR will live out its last years, the inept propaganda of denigrating the capitalist countries will lead to the exact opposite result: the extreme idealization of the West will begin in the public mind

    According to the author, "denigration of the capitalist countries" is propaganda, and "idealization of the West" is a change in the "public consciousness". Perhaps a respected author should still be more attentive to the use of terminology and determining the causes of a change in "public consciousness". Since these definitions in both cases are propaganda, its impact depends on those people who have the opportunity to influence the media and achieve certain goals, including changing the "public consciousness" or "perception of reality."
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  14. depressant
    depressant 6 January 2023 09: 39
    +4
    Soviet cinema, having experienced some upsurge in the 1930s, by the end of the 1940s again found itself in a deep crisis. In all films, the ideological component was in the first place: the glorification of the correct course of the ruling party, the leader, the advantages of the Soviet model of socialism and, of course, the confident movement into a “bright future”. The main characters of such films often speak in slogans.

    Propaganda, deeply saturated with slogan military style, came into conflict with the sharply increased education of the population, and, consequently, with the inevitably growing criticality of public consciousness. In addition, people, exhausted by the war, in a short time acquired such life experience, which, in the peaceful course of life, is formed over centuries. People have changed, propaganda has not. She lagged behind life, did not find a convincing form adequate to the historical moment.
    For example, "How the Steel Was Tempered" by Nikolai Ostrovsky is the highest degree of adequacy, which played a significant role in the pre-war years. A spirit-uplifting example of propaganda, ahead of growing demands, leading forward.
    By the way, one of my favorite books. Not an order, not persuasion, not persuasion, not insidious deceit - uplifting through a feat.
    Apparently, after the war, propaganda was never able to get out of the ideology of the "threes". What they learned was no longer useful.
    The era has changed, it was already different, the propagandists remained the same. Either the new ones, in order to move forward, imitated the existing ones, which occupied all the floors.
  15. populist
    populist 6 January 2023 09: 42
    +6
    The article is biased and distorts the reality of that period of history.
  16. north 2
    north 2 6 January 2023 10: 42
    +5
    it is necessary to compare two films - "Kuban Cossacks" by Pyryev and "Quiet Don" by Gerasimov to see how Soviet cinema has changed in this short time, if cinema is taken as a propaganda tool. Faces, most importantly faces!
    There appeared not actors playing roles in the frame, but people living in the film. This is a phenomenon of the post-war Soviet acting school, different from the pre-war Soviet film school and Hollywood film school, where actors played with facial expressions and the importance of intonation of words. American actors still play like this. Or they make a falsely evil face or bloom with a grin of a false smile. fixing it all with notes of false intonation. But I don't believe them!
    But I believed the heroes of Gerasimov's "Quiet Flows the Don". Glebov , Bystritskaya , Kiriyenko , Ilchenko , Khityaeva were so sincere and not fake that it can be considered propaganda of the sincerity and mystery of the Russian soul against the false appearance of the Americans .
    The same Ivashov and Prokhorenko in "The Ballad of a Soldier". This is not a propaganda film. If actors of the Hollywood film school would play in such a film, then the film would turn out to be propaganda. And then Chukhrai, Ivashov and Prokhorenko created a picture of the Russian soul and spirit, which the painters could not create in their paintings ...
    Now about my personal tastes.
    I could not stand Batalov as a film actor. I did not believe him in "The Cranes Are Flying" and in "Running" and in "Moscow Does Not Believe in Tears". As far as Samoilova's game in "The Cranes Are Flying" is sincere and not fakely complicated, Batalov is so unconvincing there. Perhaps because with such talent and with such a soul there was no one among the actors of the West, perhaps because in Cannes they looked at Samoilova as an unattainable Goddess who descended to Earth. Accordingly, because in the West there were at least a dime a dozen fake ones like Batalov, because in Cannes Batalov had corresponding attention.
    This is my personal opinion about a particular actor. But neither "The Ballad of a Soldier" nor "The Cranes Are Flying" are Soviet propaganda films.
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 6 January 2023 10: 58
      +9
      it is necessary to compare two films - "Kuban Cossacks" by Pyryev and "Quiet Don" by Gerasimov
      There is no need to compare comedy and drama. You can also compare "Only girls in jazz" and "They shoot down the driven horses." Both are made in the USA. Both films are good. So do we.
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 6 January 2023 12: 40
        +2
        It is true that the incomparable cannot be compared. "Quiet Don" is a tragedy, and "Kuban Cossacks" is a fairy tale. I know well from my parents how they lived at that time, although in their social position they were considered quite successful and wealthy people.
        And the "simple" people ... Here is an example:
        * From a letter to the Council for Collective Farm Affairs from a peasant woman Rakhmanova from the collective farm named after Dzerzhinsky Moilovsky village council of the Khvastovsky district of the Kaluga region: “We have been living in peace for the fifth year, and every year it becomes more and more difficult. More state taxes. If in 5 I paid 1949 rubles and handed over 375 kilograms of meat, then in 40 - 1950 rubles and 550 kilograms of meat, and all the livestock - a goat and a small pig. We don’t see any money, because nothing is given out for workdays. We live only on our potatoes together with our daughter, and whoever has a large family, the children swell from hunger.


        Now for the movie itself:
        The director Ivan Pyryev himself was the least deceived about the “truth of life”: “Once I read in a newspaper about the opening of a collective farm fair in the city of Vereya, Moscow Region, I decided to go and see what it was like. And, alas, I was disappointed: the name "fair" was invented in the regional department in order to sell stale goods.


        Well, and a summary of the Great Leader and Father of Nations:
        “Still, things are not bad with us in agriculture,” said Stalin, seeing the picture ...

        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 6 January 2023 12: 59
          +9
          Well, and a summary of the Great Leader and Father of Nations:
          “Still, things are not bad with us in agriculture,” said Stalin, seeing the picture ...
          Konstantin, this is from the same Khrushchev heap, which claimed that Stalin led the fronts around the globe.
          I also know from the stories of my parents how they lived then. But, unfortunately for the current liberals, from year to year life improved then. "There was a time when prices were reduced..."
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 6 January 2023 14: 19
            +2
            But, unfortunately for the current liberals, from year to year life improved then. "There was a time when prices were reduced..."

            I meant immediately after the war, 1947-51. , hard times, but the war is over and it would be very strange if life continued to deteriorate.
            PS And you can't go anywhere without the "liberals"? It doesn’t work, the idea is fixed and a sore subject? laughing
            1. Aviator_
              Aviator_ 6 January 2023 15: 16
              +5
              I meant immediately after the war, 1947-51. , hard times, but the war is over and it would be very strange if life continued to deteriorate.
              PS And you can't go anywhere without the "liberals"?
              I, too, about this time. Life will not improve on its own. And Stalin was the organizer of the restoration of the country. Yes, and two such areas, almost from scratch - jet technology, including aviation, and the nuclear project. I am aware of what the country has come to as a result of the innocent "Kosygin-Lieberman reforms." You seem to be happy with the situation. I'm gone. hi
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 6 January 2023 15: 55
                +1
                from scratch - jet technology, including aviation,

                Well, why is it so derogatory about your country, you are probably aware that the USSR was not created from scratch, but in the geographical space of the country under the name Russia, which had already had several centuries of its history behind it.
                Now about the supposedly empty space...
                Rockets:

                Aviation:

                Anatra DS or Anasal

                I don’t mention the Soviet pre-war period because it needs a separate article about all the developments and R&D in the field of jet and rocket technology. Everything has already been said about the atomic project.
                Stalin stood at the head of the country and no one belittles his responsibility for everything that was done, both in a positive and negative aspect.
                "Do not make yourself an idol" (c) - without a king-father, you can’t do it? All he, yes he, but don’t be him ... etc. Slave psychology.
                You seem to be happy with the state of affairs.

                If you mean today, then no - the current version of the madhouse does not suit me in any way, just as the concentration camp paradise of your beloved Stalin with the motto "the main thing is to fill the belly, but at least the grass does not grow there" does not suit me.
                1. Aviator_
                  Aviator_ 6 January 2023 16: 25
                  +5
                  Konstantin, it is difficult for me to have a conversation with you if you are K.I. Konstantinov is considered a serious weapon. They produced a frightening effect only on the Central Asian savages during the conquest of the Republic of Ingushetia of Central Asia, as a means of combat after the appearance of rifled guns, they became nothing.
                  Further. It is customary to be proud of the pre-revolutionary Svyatogor and Ilya Muromets (both of them on imported engines, by the way). But by 1915, cars of this class appeared both in Germany and in the Entente.
                  Jet aviation of the mid-40s has nothing to do with the beginning of the century, the need to replace the propeller group with a jet engine was due to the speed limit of the VMG - the resistance grew faster than thrust. It was necessary to do, and even the flow crisis (local supersonic zones on the previous profiles at high speeds) claimed a lot of test pilots' lives. For the first time, G.Ya. Bakhchivandzhi in March 1943, then died.
                  Summary - in these matters you are not competent.
                  just as the concentration camp paradise of your beloved Stalin, with the motto "the main thing is to fill your belly, and at least the grass does not grow there," does not suit you.
                  You have a primitive idea of ​​the Soviet Union of Stalin's time. About the concentration camp - did your parents tell you like that, or did you find such material yourself? About a stuffed belly - where does it come from, from the work "Economic Problems of Socialism" in 1952? Share the link, please. I used to think of you differently. hi
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 7 January 2023 05: 30
                    +3
                    About the concentration camp - did your parents tell you like that, or did you find such material yourself?

                    No, well, what to talk about with you, if, in your opinion, there was neither the Gulag nor the "black funnels", there was only one way to a "bright future". laughing
                    And where did he lead?
                    1. Catfish
                      Catfish 7 January 2023 07: 07
                      +3
                      There is nothing to say - we put a minus. All in the spirit of hamsters, as always. laughing Yes, even put a dozen of them, this will not change history. request
    2. Korsar4
      Korsar4 6 January 2023 11: 46
      +6
      Quiet Don is a block in itself. And you can find new and new layers. Gerasimov succeeded.
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 6 January 2023 12: 19
        +7
        Quiet Don is a block in itself. And you can find new and new layers. Gerasimov succeeded.
        After all, not only Gerasimov was there, Sholokhov himself was there when it was created. And today's remake, which is shown on TV, is impossible to watch.
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 6 January 2023 13: 17
          +7
          I totally agree.

          Approximately the same can be said about the Days of the Turbins.
  17. iouris
    iouris 6 January 2023 11: 05
    +3
    I propose a hot topic: "Russian propaganda: the image of the world on TV." There is no more cinematography.
  18. Maks1995
    Maks1995 6 January 2023 11: 56
    +8
    If applied to the present: You need to lie less. Then people will be drawn.

    For now, alas, alas. And the films are all somehow not sincere, or even false.
    And the polished "experts" on TV just want to go to Siberia, for lies and juggling ...
  19. depressant
    depressant 6 January 2023 14: 38
    +4
    In continuation of my thoughts, I will say this:
    when the governing system (authority) turns out to be more primitive than the controlled one (the people), no propaganda and no agitation will help, the end of the governing system is inevitable...
    And wasn't this observed in 1917 or in 91? What are we seeing now? In an era when the authorities have lagged behind the understanding that the population receives facts directly from the Internet, almost at the moment of any event, with a difference of only a few minutes, or even seconds?
    What kind of agitation and propaganda is possible here? Only in relation to the backward part of the population. Against the advanced - only evil countermeasures that will affect everyone - both advanced and non-advanced. Evil countermeasures will not understand population varieties.
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 6 January 2023 15: 23
      +2
      In an era when the authorities have lagged behind the understanding that the population receives facts directly from the Internet, almost at the moment of any event, with a difference of only a few minutes, or even seconds?
      What kind of agitation and propaganda is possible here?
      Lyudmila, the population receives the same propaganda from the Internet. only more sophisticated. We need a good counter-propaganda. There is very little of her. Here, for example, is a recent incident about the death of our unit in Makeevka. A tragic mistake, of which there are many in war. But among the Sumerians, this happens every week, but here they advertised to the maximum. In this wave of propaganda on the topic "Everything is lost, down with the generals," reasonable explanations for the tragedy simply drowned. And these are not mobile phones, this is undercover intelligence and that's it.
    2. Konnick
      Konnick 7 January 2023 07: 27
      0
      In continuation of my thoughts, I will say this:
      when the governing system (authority) turns out to be more primitive than the managed one (the people), no propaganda and no agitation will help, the end of the governing system is inevitable...

      As long as we pretend they succeed...
  20. Alex242
    Alex242 6 January 2023 15: 05
    +1
    Quote: depressant
    In continuation of my thoughts, I will say this:
    when the governing system (authority) turns out to be more primitive than the controlled one (the people), no propaganda and no agitation will help, the end of the governing system is inevitable...
    And wasn't this observed in 1917 or in 91? What are we seeing now? In an era when the authorities have lagged behind the understanding that the population receives facts directly from the Internet, almost at the moment of any event, with a difference of only a few minutes, or even seconds?
    What kind of agitation and propaganda is possible here? Only in relation to the backward part of the population. Against the advanced - only evil countermeasures that will affect everyone - both advanced and non-advanced. Evil countermeasures will not understand population varieties.

    for a good reason, the population, at the moment, receives information ("hidden propaganda") 50 to 50, who is from TV and who is from the Internet ....
  21. motorized rifle
    motorized rifle 6 January 2023 16: 31
    +3
    "Horses mixed in a bunch, people ..."
    Art and propaganda, a curious symbiosis. Let's separate the flies from the chaff.
    What is art in essence? The answer to this question is quite simple. Art, any, is a product that causes a certain emotional state of its consumer. Since a person's emotional state is ensured by the release of appropriate hormones, it is an art, a method of artificial (sorry for the tautology), stimulation of the release of certain hormones that introduce the consumer's body into the desired state, just like drugs and alcohol. Art itself is based on the most ancient human experience of living together (survival), which is ... HUNTING! Let me explain that hunting was the most important "branch" of the life of the human community, it is clear as an axiom. If we take the general history of mankind in terms of time, then the duration of the "hunting" period significantly exceeds its (humanity's) civilized life. Accordingly, hunting was the foundation on which art was created. In this case, we will leave behind the fine arts, and turn to the stage (theatrical), a special case of which is cinema. So, the basis of any action (hunting) is the interaction between the hunter and the victim, and from ancient times, at least from the ancient Greek theater, there was a division into tragedy and comedy. Since the question of hunting itself, neither then nor now, is not particularly interesting to the viewer, the emphasis was placed on maintaining the status of the hunter and the victim. In a nutshell: Tragedy is when the hunter turns into a victim, and Comedy is when the victim considers himself a hunter. That's it! That's the whole point of the scene! Of course, for a couple of thousand years, various meat has grown on this backbone in the form of plots and ways of presenting material, but this is the fundamental principle. If you meticulously delve into any work, you can always find both a hunter and a victim, and these roles do not have to be people, they can be natural phenomena, politics, etc., etc. In a word, this type of art is quite primitive, which is the basis of its mass character. Recall Lenin: "The most important of the arts, for us is the cinema ...". He was right, not a single lecturer, not a single agitator, will have such an impact on the audience as a well-made film or performance. This is where the symbiosis of cinema and propaganda begins. Now about propaganda. It implies the presence of two opposing sides, each of which, if necessary, will present itself as either a victim or a hunter, in reality, referring to itself as a hunter, and the enemy as a victim. Moreover, propaganda, in principle, should contain an ideological component on at least one side. if we don't have our own, we fight someone else's. There is a very subtle point here, the West actually did not have its own ideology, compared to the USSR or the PRC. So, the seventh water on jelly: democratic values ​​and other indistinct things (fascist regimes had basically ended by that time). But there was a huge front of anti-ideological struggle, here they invested to the fullest. But it is also necessary to take into account the specifics of the cinema of the USSR and the film industry of the West, the difference is already becoming clear, in the USSR the commercial component was secondary, and in the West the ideological component was secondary. Somewhere between them the artistic value of the work dangled, ensuring its ideological and commercial success. Therefore, as it turned out, in propaganda with a significant ideological bias, the works must be highly artistic, for a real impact both on one's own and on someone else's audience. In propaganda on a commercial basis, it is enough to "pour" enough money into magnificent shootings and advertising and there will be success. In conditions where there is no explicit ideology, the propaganda battle degenerates into interpretations. For each in his own favor, the quality fades into the background, and then whoever has the most money invested, he imposed his own. So, the situation described in the article at this time is uninteresting, so to ruffle the tongues, but it would be necessary to draw conclusions. Propaganda based on an ideological base always loses in the end. Because people involved in it degenerate over time, i.e. from hunters become victims and the tragedy (the song of the goats), turns into a farce, and then into a crash. We need propaganda principles that are natural and do not need artificial nourishment: "- It is easy and pleasant to tell the truth .."
    PS Oh! Dear colleagues, consuming everything from bread to circuses, we are still not hunters and this is a tragedy, those who think on the contrary are playing a comedy, I wonder who is more?
  22. Akuzenka
    Akuzenka 6 January 2023 18: 23
    +1
    Oh, come on, one more shovel you yourself know what to put on a fan for the USSR. And the fact that the author would not exist in this world, if not for the USSR, is such a trifle.
    If there were no USSR, there would be a bunch of "countries" completely subject to Great Britain, the USA, as in the 19th century in Africa. Warring among themselves to the delight of the owners. When necessary, she would supply cannon fodder to intimidate someone, and all to the unctuous chants of priests and mullahs. "All power is from God"!
  23. EFIM LYUBIN
    EFIM LYUBIN 6 January 2023 20: 51
    -4
    I read all the comments! My father joined the ranks of the CPSU (b) and in 1943 on the Kursk Bulge, being the secretary of the Komsomol organization of a fighter aviation regiment in the division of General Zakharov. This is about the ideology of my upbringing as a citizen of the USSR. I am very sorry that the USSR collapsed, historically it was inevitable! The USSR was a cast from the Russian Empire, based on the national-territorial division. Read history, all such empires live while they wage victorious wars - the only unifying idea of ​​the peoples inhabiting it! By the end of the 70s, the mass death of the winners of 1945 began, and the ranting about a bright future since 1922 somehow became boring. Four elders from the Politburo of the CPSU got together and started the Afghan adventure (a small victorious war to save the empire)! Not when the Afghan authorities asked for help, but much later, when this help was already too late! And it all started in 1917 under Lenin's slogan - "Let's turn the imperialist war into a civil war!" This is how it was necessary to hate the people who inhabited the Russian Empire in order to wish the people the same horrors that were in France at the end of the 18th century and during the civil war in the United States.
    1. Fat
      Fat 7 January 2023 01: 09
      +3
      hi With all due respect, Efim, I cannot accept your point of view, because you and I live in a completely different basic information environment.
      Quote: EFIM LYUBIN
      Read history, all such empires live while they wage victorious wars - the only unifying idea of ​​the peoples inhabiting it!

      Believe me, Yefim, most of the commentators in this section do not just "read" history, but are quite seriously interested in it.
      "Imperial expansion" necessary for the stability of a multi-ethnic country can take other forms than military.
  24. Illanatol
    Illanatol 7 January 2023 13: 53
    +2
    Quote: EFIM LYUBIN
    The USSR was a cast from the Russian Empire, based on the national-territorial division. Read history, all such empires live while they wage victorious wars - the only unifying idea of ​​the peoples inhabiting it!


    The USSR was not an empire at all, no need to drive a blizzard. With the same success, you can call modern India an empire. The USSR was just a multinational state, of which the majority on the planet. And it was not the idea of ​​imperialist robbery that united the peoples that were part of the USSR.

    Quote: EFIM LYUBIN
    This is how it was necessary to hate the people who inhabited the Russian Empire in order to wish the people the same horrors that were in France at the end of the 18th century and during the civil war in the United States.


    What did the people themselves want? For some reason, he did not particularly object to such a "desire", since in the Civil War, having a wide selection of alternatives offered by different parties, he chose the "Red Project".
    The civil war was programmed by the very structure of the Russian Empire, which, in fact, was inhabited by two nations: the Westernized elite and the "male", who finally stopped seeing each other as compatriots. It was, in fact, an ethnic conflict, and such conflicts are especially cruel.
    Something similar, by the way, was in France in the 18th century. It is characteristic that the French would not even dream of revising their Revolution, since they are well aware that today's France would be impossible without that Revolution.
    You don't have to spit on your past. Because we owe our very existence to the fact that the past was just like that. In alternative versions of History, there would most likely simply be no place for us ourselves ...
  25. Illanatol
    Illanatol 7 January 2023 13: 59
    +2
    Quote: depressant
    In an era when the authorities have lagged behind the understanding that the population receives facts directly from the Internet, almost at the moment of any event, with a difference of only a few minutes, or even seconds?
    What kind of agitation and propaganda is possible here?


    Very efficient and advanced. Facts alone say little. The interpretation of facts is important, the same facts, choosing them selectively, can be interpreted in different ways.
    Let me remind you the formula of truth: "the whole truth, only the truth and nothing but the truth." What makes you think that the Internet will tell you the whole truth, and not just a part? And knowing only a part, you can get a completely distorted picture of what is happening.
    It's called "white propaganda", an old technique that was used even before the age of the internet.
  26. Illanatol
    Illanatol 7 January 2023 14: 07
    +1
    Quote: Sea Cat

    Now about the supposedly empty space...


    Empty, empty
    Rocketry and astronautics... who was the spiritual father?
    Tsiolkovsky.
    How did tsarist Russia appreciate his genius?
    You do not.
    Tsiolkovsky would not have received recognition (already in Soviet times), there would have been no Tsander, there would have been no Queen. So - Gagarin would also not exist (as we know him).
    And the gunpowder rockets of the era of the Crimean War are not far from Chinese medieval handicrafts.
    As for aviation: what was domestic in Muromets? Twine, probably. Everything else is an import
    alas.
    So the place was practically empty. Unless the former "bourgeois specialists" had bright heads, but it was precisely the Soviet government that gave them the opportunity to realize their talents.
  27. Illanatol
    Illanatol 7 January 2023 14: 11
    0
    Quote: Sea Cat
    No, well, what to talk about with you, if, in your opinion, there was no Gulag, no "black funnels", there was only one way to a "bright future"
    And where did he lead?


    The GULAG would be useful to us even now.
    However, tsarist Russia also had similar institutions ... who settled Siberia?
    And hard labor was actively used even in the times of Peter the Great.

    And where did we end up when we turned off this path?
    "Hey, coachman, turn to hell!"
    1. gsev
      gsev 18 January 2023 03: 51
      -1
      Quote: Illanatol
      The GULAG would be useful to us even now.

      The Gulag was economically unprofitable. A lot of guards-healthy foreheads, uselessly guarded people, drove them in formation, counted them. Many prisoners died, fabulous sums were spent on the salary of the guards, the capture of fugitives, the arrangement of fences. In the Gulag, you can sew mittens and overalls - products that have not changed for decades or produce lumber. It is impossible to produce complex and new products in captivity. The most interesting thing is that both Stalin's daughter and Khrushchev's son fled from the USSR. That's who should have been kept in the Gulag, not Tupolev and Korolev.
      1. Foul skeptic
        Foul skeptic 18 January 2023 17: 12
        0
        The Gulag was economically unprofitable.

        This is not the job of the penitentiary system.
  28. Fangaro
    Fangaro 7 January 2023 23: 49
    0
    Quote: parusnik
    The Americans and the NATO bloc they created were credited with conquering plans, building up weapons, violating the sovereignty of other countries.
    What has changed now? For 30 years the West and the USA have been partners, now they are not friendly countries ..


    Damned Churchill, after the start of the Great Patriotic War, said something that no one expected to hear from him.
    Many politicians in 2022 did not say what they were expected to hear.
  29. _The Wanderer_
    _The Wanderer_ 9 January 2023 12: 32
    -1
    Hmm, again the release of a known substance onto the air Archimedean screw .... We must learn the history of the country not according to the articles of the "light" of the 90s and the writings of Solzhenitsin and other subjects not burdened with conscience and honor.