The only tank T-80UM-2 with active protection "Drozd" was destroyed at the beginning of the special operation

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Source: dzen.ru
Source: dzen.ru


News, of course, quite old - 10 months have already passed - but it has not become particularly familiar in the domestic information space, so many are not aware of this, so it would not be superfluous to highlight it. We are talking about the T-80UM-2, equipped with the Drozd active defense system and lost in March 2022 in the Sumy region northwest of Kharkov. A car that is unique not only in its technical equipment, but also in its fate.



"Drozd" not only for the T-55


About the Soviet complex of active protection (KAZ) "Drozd", probably, almost everyone who is interested in armored vehicles in one way or another heard out of the corner of their ear. Adopted in 1983, it became the world's first mass-produced means of actively destroying tank-attacking projectiles. At the same time, it must be admitted, it was quite effective: by detecting anti-tank grenades and missiles using high-frequency radar sensors, Drozd destroyed them with a directed explosion and a fragmentation stream of fired counter-munitions with a probability of up to 70-80%.

Turret of the T-55AD tank. Launchers and a radar station are visible. Source: vitalykuzmin.net
Tower tank T-55AD. Launchers and a radar station are visible. Source: vitalykuzmin.net

The T-55AD tank became the mass carrier of the Drozd - a fairly recognizable vehicle with characteristic attributes in the form of twin launchers and radar stations along the sides of the turret, as well as an overall "backpack" with an electronics unit in the turret rear. However, despite the fact that for the same T-62 they tried to make a slightly different KAZ, the Drozd itself was largely universal and could be installed on other vehicles, which, in principle, was done in single copies.

Block of electronic equipment at the stern of the T-55AD turret. Source: vitalykuzmin.net
Block of electronic equipment at the stern of the T-55AD turret. Source: vitalykuzmin.net

From relatively recent - post-Soviet - experiments, the T-80 can be taken as examples. Here, of course, the Ukrainian "Object 478BEM1" with this active protection, which our "good neighbors" gladly fused in the United States, immediately comes to mind. Thus, the Americans were able to thoughtfully and deeply explore the technical component of both the tank itself and the Drozd.

Upgraded Ukrainian "Object 478BEM1" with "Drozd". Source: www.dzen.ru
Ukrainian "Object 478BEM1" with "Drozd". Source: www.dzen.ru

In our country, the most famous carrier of Drozd was the very modernized version of the T-80U tank, which received the T-80UM-2 index and was made in a single copy in 1995 by Omsk Transmash. At the same time, it is worth noting that a persistent myth has already been entrenched behind the machine that it is not Drozd, but Drozd-2 that is installed on it.

Tank T-80UM-2. Source: www.dzen.ru
Tank T-80UM-2. Source: www.dzen.ru

In fact, we are not talking about any Drozd-2. The T-80UM-2 has all the elements characteristic of the "bird" of the first model in the form of twin launchers, radar stations and an external turret electronics unit. But the second "Drozd" can be perfectly observed in a deeply modernized form on such equipment as the T-14 tank and the T-15 infantry fighting vehicle, made on the basis of the Armata platform, and also, if we talk about absolutely exotic, on a boat like " Raptor.

An example of the installation of KAZ "Drozd-2". Launchers are marked in red. Source: www.dzen.ru
An example of the installation of KAZ "Drozd-2". Launchers are marked in red. Source: www.dzen.ru

Development of KAZ "Drozd-2" - active defense "Afganit" on the T-14. Source: www.dzen.ru
The development of KAZ "Drozd-2" - active protection "Afganit" on the T-14. Source: www.dzen.ru

Adapted "Afghanit" on a Raptor-type boat. Source: www.dzen.ru
Adapted "Afghanit" on a Raptor-type boat. Source: www.dzen.ru

Backyards of the training ground, exercises and NWO


Somewhat story with the T-80UM-2 even tragic.

In the 90s, after the collapse of the USSR, most of the defense enterprises of Russia were left almost completely without sources of funding, so everyone had to get out on their own. For example, the leading institute for the development of armor for equipment and infantry, represented by the Research Institute of Steel, was forced to make cemetery fences in its workshops. But someone with production capacities and the relevance of products was more lucky - the same UralVagonZavod, due to the sale of the T-90 to India, was able to make ends meet.

Absolutely the same commercial interest, in order to support the pants on a rapidly losing weight belly, was also pursued by Omsk residents. The T-80UM-2, along with other projects, including the T-80UM-1, equipped with the Arena KAZ, was an attempt to get a production contract even from its own Ministry of Defense, even abroad.

T-80UM-1 with KAZ "Arena". Source: military-az.com
T-80UM-1 with KAZ "Arena". Source: military-az.com

Indeed, the tank quickly appeared in the catalogs of military equipment for potential foreign customers. Not without open screenings, of course. The T-80UM-2 was demonstrated both at arms exhibitions and participated in various public "rides" in order to arouse interest among buyers. But commercial success, which is understandable, he did not receive.

T-80UM-2 at the VTTV exhibition in 1999. Omsk. Source: gurkhan.blogspot.com
T-80UM-2 at the VTTV exhibition in 1999. Omsk. Source: gurkhan.blogspot.com

Even if we discard all the arguments that the Drozd left for the United States thanks to Ukraine, the wariness and conservatism of the military in relation to KAZ and the lack of money, this car would not have got into the troops in any case simply because the Drozd was already outdated very limited system. Against his background, the Arena looked much more attractive. In the end, it happened: the T-80UM-2, unlike its counterpart in the face of the T-80UM-1, quickly left the stage and registered at the training ground in Kubinka - in the possession of the NIIII BT VT.

Unlike many models of equipment, the T-80UM-2 did not stand idle there very much and now and then participated in various experiments and "closed" shows for the military leadership. As a matter of fact, this can be seen even by the number of photographs circulating on the Internet - the car often flashed in different angles and places, so that it did not rot in a hangar or in an open field. And the soldiers of the security company at the training ground did not miss the moment to pose with this kind of unique tank.

On this, perhaps, the fate of the tank with the "Drozd" could have ended - in the end they would simply be written off to "long-term storage", from where the equipment usually does not return, or has a small chance of getting into the museum if it is of some historical value. But no.

In September 2021, the T-80UM-2 again appeared in the lenses of television cameras. Then the joint exercises “West-2021”, in which Russia and Belarus took part, just ended, and the military units returned to their places of permanent deployment. During this process, the tank lit up - in the echelon of equipment of the Kantemirovskaya division at one of the Belarusian railway stations.

T-80UM-2 in the echelon of the Kantemirovskaya division after the exercises "West-2021". Source: www.dzen.ru
T-80UM-2 in the echelon of the Kantemirovskaya division after the exercises "West-2021". Source: www.dzen.ru

A number of media, including major publications, immediately screamed that the tank with the Drozd was not by chance there, they say, they almost ran it in during the exercises, in order to then start mass production of KAZ. Along the way, of course, they savored the fact that the machine was equipped with Drozdom-2 (absolute nonsense, of course), which means that there is hope for the introduction of this new system into the troops.

In fact, the most likely reason for the appearance of the T-80UM-2 in Kantemirovka is a banal lack of materiel. At the same time, most likely, active protection had neither combat equipment nor working automation. This tank generally has a good place in the museum - like the original car, but it turned out the way it happened. Historicity is not always considered in the troops. It drives, shoots and is in a fully combat-ready condition - it will do in battle.

This principle has been put into practice. Unexpected, of course. It was thought that the participation of this tank in active maneuvers of troops would be limited to exercises, but on February 24, 2022, a special military operation began in Ukraine. There, this Omsk product turned out to be where it took the last battle.

On March 18, 2022, photos of the consequences of a clash between Russian troops and units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near the town of Trostyanets, Sumy region, appeared on social networks (mainly, of course, on the banned Facebook) and some media. On them, in addition to various kinds of equipment, the T-80UM-2 was noticed. It is rather difficult to establish the true nature of its damage, but the photographs show that the tank was completely burned out. Separately from the tank is the tower. Was this a consequence of the ignition of propellant charges or the detonation of shells, or, as they say, "specially planted nearby" - the question.

Lost T-80UM-2 in the Sumy region. Source: www.dzen.ru

Lost T-80UM-2 in the Sumy region. Source: www.dzen.ru
Lost T-80UM-2 in the Sumy region. Source: www.dzen.ru

The fact remains that the T-80UM-2 was indeed destroyed. And the newsbreak for both Western and Ukrainian media turned out to be significant. "Orcs have lost a unique tank" is one of the mildest statements in this matter. In fact, all the cries about the features of the machine are too exaggerated. In fact, they lost a museum exhibit, which did not differ in combat characteristics from the usual serial T-80U and could not boast of a working Drozd. "Kit" with launchers and radar - no more.

From a historical point of view, of course, one of the first T-80s equipped with active protection. From a practical point of view, it is an ordinary linear tank without claiming unique combat properties. If only the crew remained alive after those events.
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  1. +5
    3 January 2023 05: 43
    Like in the song:
    "A blank hit the tank,
    Farewell, dear crew,
    Four corpses near the tank
    Complement the morning landscape

    Sadly ....
  2. +32
    3 January 2023 06: 05
    It’s not good when, with such an amount of armored vehicles (or they still lie to us about this amount), everything that is possible is raked into the troops. This can only be justified by huge losses .. Yes, and how to justify all this ...
    1. -31
      3 January 2023 08: 03
      And you have more faith in everything they say and write
    2. +10
      3 January 2023 09: 14
      Quote from: dmi.pris1
      It’s not good when, with such an amount of armored vehicles (or they still lie to us about this amount), everything that is possible is raked into the troops. This can only be justified by huge losses .. Yes, and how to justify all this ...

      It's funny that the author considers the T-80 a museum piece, against the background of much more outdated tanks that the Russian Armed Forces are now throwing to the front
      1. +34
        3 January 2023 14: 38
        It's funny that the author considers the T-80 a museum piece

        The author considers not all T-80s to be a museum exhibit, but a specific T-80UM-2, since it was of historical value due to its equipment.
    3. +2
      3 January 2023 17: 51
      And there, what are the battles ala "Prokhorovka"?
      1. +8
        3 January 2023 22: 16
        It is this tank in the photo that is covered with artillery, in the parking lot, perhaps even without a crew. no Prokhorovka, they just bombed it along with Zils ..., sorry, Urals. They stood in a heap ... Very tightly. Still, ptur, but in the parking lot, and the Urals burned out in addition.
      2. 0
        4 January 2023 08: 34
        And there, what are the battles ala "Prokhorovka"?

        The main thing is that there should be no fights a la Dubno-Lutsk-Brody!
      3. 0
        7 January 2023 23: 45
        No, there, as a rule, covering crowded targets with artillery.
    4. +3
      3 January 2023 23: 29
      So I once wrote that even the first T-90s, which you can’t find during the day with fire, came across in operations. In the course of the technical condition of the equipment in parts, it wants the best, or they save it for an hour "H".
      1. +3
        5 January 2023 08: 34
        There is an article in Tatarsky's telegram channel. So, it describes the current state of tanks in the troops. Most of them are faulty, there are no spare parts, and everything is in that vein.

    5. 0
      4 January 2023 20: 00
      Perhaps this is cynical, but this is a common practice - first everything that is already outdated is sent, and it is expensive to dispose of it. No one thinks about human losses ...
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        2. 0
          22 January 2023 00: 36
          It was then that soldiers could give birth, but now they give birth to some moral freaks for whom there is no word Motherland, I won’t row one size fits all, there are normal boys, otherwise a skiff would have come a long time ago. But the most disgusting thing is that some generals are very worried about the beards of the fighters and whether their berets are polished to a shine !!!!! Without a gag reflex, even typing is reluctant. I want to scream at the whole universe, WHAT THE CREATURES YOU ARE DOING !!!!!! That's where the hidden threat, by the way, and Prigozhin said about the same !!!!
        3. +1
          3 February 2023 06: 06
          Please check the information! "The origin of the myth and its application The phrase came into cultural use with the light hand of the authors of the film "Peter the Great." With this phrase, one of his commanders Sheremetev tries to console the young tsar, who suffered a catastrophic defeat during the siege of Narva and mourns the dead soldiers: , women still give birth". If you believe this legend, by the way, many of those who attribute this phrase to Sheremetev add that the tsar for these words wholeheartedly hit the future field marshal in the face. " (!) Attributed to G. Zhukov, which is also refuted. "The only document In fact, in Russian history there is only one written author's document, which contains a phrase that is somehow similar to the mythical "Women give birth": "The generals know that we still there are many soldiers in Russia, and therefore they do not spare lives." This is from a letter from Empress Alexandra Feodorovna to Nicholas II dated August 4 (17), 1916. And from this quote, and even more so from the text of the entire letter, it is easy to understand that the Empress is experiencing front-line losses as a personal tragedy, he blames them - perhaps in the heat of the moment - on the military leaders of the Russian army and appeals to her husband to influence them. Or are you a liberal?
    6. +1
      5 January 2023 15: 31
      This also speaks of the full F in the supply. Command X scored on the main army postulate - monotony. And bred 100500 modifications of equipment
      1. 0
        25 March 2023 09: 46
        this once again speaks of the garbage that is written. the bolt is lying around at the feet ... Tankers, tell me where the bolt wedge is inserted and how?
    7. yho
      -3
      5 February 2023 21: 05
      Yes, they gave Drozd a thrush. Sadly. The Ukrainians also boasted that they had destroyed the Russian Black Eagle tank and posted a photo of it lying all black. But, it turned out to be a “duck”, the “eagle” was destroyed back in the 90s.
  3. +25
    3 January 2023 06: 07
    In principle, everything is logical. The Kantemirovskaya division is the only one in the Western Military District that was armed with the T-80UD "Birch". So, where else to serve the hero of the article. It's a shame that all the same, he went into battle with an empty thrush. However, this is a question for the leadership of the division? Honestly, I don't think we'll get an answer.
    It is sad that having a Soviet KAZ, we were able to establish their serial production. In a number of situations, he could be a good lifesaver for our guys.
    Otherwise, we are at war and losses are inevitable. Good memory guys.
    1. +19
      3 January 2023 08: 04
      Perhaps Drozd simply could not technically be restored in part, in general it would be more logical to remove the complex in order not to give an informational reason to the enemy, for some reason we don’t think about such things at all.
    2. +24
      3 January 2023 08: 09
      In principle, everything is logical. Kantemirovskaya division
      courtier, however. The fate of the Life Guards Semenov Regiment awaits her after 1917 (reply for 1905). And this one is for 1993.
      1. AAK
        +15
        3 January 2023 20: 53
        It would be even more logical to deprive this "court" division of the status of the guards, assign it the "honorary" name "Izyumsko-Barvenkovsko-Kupyansko-Limanskaya" and permanently exclude it from the front calculation on May 9
        1. +15
          3 January 2023 21: 38
          and forever excluded from the parade calculation on May 9th

          In order to increase the country's defense capability, it would be better if ALL units were excluded from the parade crew, except perhaps the Kremlin Regiment, which should be left as a comically ostentatious one. Instead of making all the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation parade-ostentatious, as it has been for the past decade.
        2. +4
          4 January 2023 19: 40
          She received the title of guards in the battles of the Great Patriotic War, and our ancestors are not to blame that the current drivers turned her into a parade-parquet ...
          1. -1
            5 January 2023 09: 42
            And you try to find information about the battles of the 17th TC (as the current division was called during the war years) for Kantemirovka. Amazing things you will discover. As they are now fighting, so it began. It can be seen - the fate of this connection))))
      2. 0
        3 January 2023 21: 08
        Quote: Aviator_
        In principle, everything is logical. Kantemirovskaya division
        courtier, however. The fate of the Life Guards Semenov Regiment awaits her after 1917 (reply for 1905). And this one is for 1993.

        No objections. Boomerang is back.
      3. 0
        3 January 2023 23: 03
        courtier, however.


        Fight with the sun? Is that what you wanted to say? Help EBN to seize power in the country?
        1. 0
          4 January 2023 12: 51
          Fight with the sun? Is that what you wanted to say? Help EBN to seize power in the country?
          Understood nothing. Eugene, explain your idea. It was she, this division, who ensured the seizure of power by EBN. And the rest of the Armed Forces quietly drank and waited, whose take.
  4. +20
    3 January 2023 06: 33
    And again, the equipment is on the line! I don't want Dolby!
    1. +6
      3 January 2023 09: 13
      equipment on the line is worth it! Dolby don't want

      You were immediately given minuses, apparently the fault is on you, and not on the commanders.
      1. +6
        3 January 2023 10: 28
        Agree with you completely! This is one of the bosses who should have everything in line! belay
        1. +8
          3 January 2023 21: 10
          Quote: uladzimir.surko
          Agree with you completely! This is one of the bosses who should have everything in line! belay

          Because they don’t have convolutions in their brains, but everything is in a line.
          1. +2
            4 January 2023 19: 36
            "There is only one meander, and that one is straight..."....
            1. 0
              22 January 2023 00: 41
              There is still one, from a cap like a parallel on a globe !!!!
  5. -22
    3 January 2023 06: 34
    If this tank is nothing particularly unremarkable, as the author himself summarizes at the end of the article, then the question arises - why is such an article needed now? And the answer to this question is in the last photo illustrating the article. The purpose of the article is in this photo to show the broken military equipment of the Russian army. It would not cause anger to us, and joy to the defeated Bandera and all sorts of other Russophobes, such an article after our Victory. In the meantime, the war is going on not only on the battlefield but also in the information space, such photographs should be considered as a disguised service to the enemy. The author himself writes that Facebook is blocked after all ... which means that hostile materials have to be distributed in other ways ...
    Only now there is no need for a New Year's feast in a hostel near the front in Makeevka, and this article should be attributed to the urgent need of Russian Olivier, herring under a fur coat and the truth about the war. No . Some soldiers are seated at the table in hundreds in one place, others are posting such photographs.
    A logical question, after all, is it possible to transfer New Year's banquets to the score after our Victory and the publication of our broken military equipment also be transferred to articles after our Victory?
    1. +22
      3 January 2023 09: 26
      Some soldiers are seated at the table in hundreds in one place, others are posting such photos

      You stuck your head in the sand, you forbid writing the truth, and then you are surprised at the incident in Makiivka.
      Meanwhile, if conclusions about the inadmissibility of clustering in the affected area by artillery were made, then the loss of 63 mobilized would not have occurred.
      Keep hiding from reality, so we will win.
      1. +1
        3 January 2023 10: 05
        And what about the artillery? Either you are not aware of Makiivka, or you are deliberately distorting the facts, most likely the latter
        1. +4
          3 January 2023 20: 12
          For you, MLRS is not artillery? Maybe, first, learn a little materiel, and then you will please the community with your comments?
          1. +2
            3 January 2023 22: 22
            Makiivka is generally not that far from the front, it is a suburb of Donetsk.
      2. 0
        4 January 2023 12: 31
        89 people lost, according to the latest information.
      3. 0
        5 January 2023 01: 16
        89 mobilized died, after clearing the rubble
    2. 0
      22 January 2023 00: 42
      The author himself writes that Facebook is blocked after all ... And what is vpn for?
  6. +8
    3 January 2023 06: 39
    Information, to put it mildly, sad. Apparently, the logistics services are not able to ensure the preparation and maintenance of equipment for combat operations if incomplete equipment with a live, non-virtual crew goes into battle.
    1. +8
      3 January 2023 08: 14
      Why is it not complete? The fact that Drozd did not work at all does not mean anything, he has been decommissioned for three hundred years, in fact it is just a T-80U, which was sent to the SVO.
      1. +7
        4 January 2023 00: 46
        KAZ Drozd was not created in order to throw money away. This is the standard armament of this tank and should either work in combat conditions, saving the lives of the crews, or replaced with a working analogue. Isn't there too much left technology. This indicates the poor organization of the logistics of the Russian Armed Forces. Faulty, damaged equipment should be removed to repair plants and replaced, and not thrown into the field. This is an axiom. Incomplete equipment in combat positions should not appear and be, in any circumstances. Also an axiom.
        1. +3
          4 January 2023 20: 50
          KAZ Drozd was installed on this tank on an experimental basis, it was not standard equipment for the T-80U. Nothing is known about Drozd's effectiveness, judging by the fact that it was not massively installed on new types of tanks, but slightly outdated T-55s were converted, most likely the operation was experimental and for some reason not very successful. I do not argue with the fact that technology is being abandoned and this should not be.
  7. +7
    3 January 2023 06: 40
    it is to such "landscapes" that our managers should be taken ... as is customary here, off the couch! Because of such couch strategists and PR managers of restaurants and Abramovichs, we are losing guys!
  8. +18
    3 January 2023 06: 47
    "good neighbors handed over to the Americans." And how much did our leaders hand over? EBN removed the S-300 from combat duty and gave it to them. And he gave away $8 trillion worth of plutonium and uranium reserves to the Americans!!! For almost 25 years, they provided 40% of their energy on this fuel!
    1. -2
      3 January 2023 18: 01
      Quote: Mikhail Krivopalov
      he gave away $8 trillion worth of plutonium and uranium reserves to the Americans!!! For almost 25 years, they provided 40% of their entire energy on this fuel!

      But there is vulgar nuance - it is this freebie killed US nuclear industry. And now in the USA there is neither production nor even a laboratory that allows you to improve your knowledge ...
      They again failed in the centrifuge ...
      So this is in our favor in any case. Of course, it’s a pity for raw materials, but our production works without stopping - and penguins cannot
      1. +2
        3 January 2023 20: 29
        For them, this problem is solved. They have production facilities, they have specialists. Have money. It will be necessary - they will do it. They made a trampoline.
        1. +5
          3 January 2023 23: 55
          Quote: AKuzenka
          For them, this problem is solved.

          So what and platitude - a problem for them NOT solvable.
          Quote: AKuzenka
          They have manufacturing facilities
          there is no production. Absolutely ...
          Quote: AKuzenka
          there are specialists
          - no. Even Westinghouse TVELs collect ours.
          Quote: AKuzenka
          Have money.
          during 50 (!!!!!!) For years, all US nuclear power plants deducted money from each kilowatt of money produced for the construction of a centralized waste storage facility. And when all nuclear power plants howled from the fullness of all storage facilities on the territory of nuclear power plants, it turned out that there were no denyuzhki .. Absolutely ..

          Quote: AKuzenka
          It will be necessary - they will do it.
          they needed by 2011 already. Their deadlines are running out wildly, but in no way.
          One production was closed permanently due to an accident on it, at the second one they could not even reach 1/4 of the design capacity
        2. +5
          4 January 2023 01: 45
          They have production facilities, they have specialists.
          . The United States has not had a single new nuclear unit built since 1979.
          How many specialists and capacities are left there? competencies lost. probably from Europe, if necessary, they will pull uranium - they produce
          .
          Have money. It will be necessary - they will do it.
          In this case, money is not the issue. only if they pull our factory with a root-concrete out of the ground and drag it entirely to themselves, or our state borders will be moved to the borders of the plant and take the plant under their control.
          .
          and we build blocks, and we build relatively a lot, and everything is of a new type and on ! new fuel! .
          also centrifuges for uranium enrichment are already spinning for the 10th generation.
          1. 0
            27 February 2023 01: 09
            The United States has not had a single new nuclear unit built since 1979.


            The amendment is important - since 1979, not a single new PERMISSION for the construction of a power unit has been given. But according to previously issued permits, quite a lot was built.

            For example.
            South Texas Nuclear Power Plant, commissioned in 1988.
            Seabrook Nuclear Power Plant, commissioned in 1989.
            NPP Comanche Peak, 1st power unit commissioned in 1990. 2nd in 1993.

            Since 2013, they finally began to give new permits for the construction of power units.
            Watts Bar Nuclear Power Plant, Unit 2, commissioned in 2016.
            And at the moment, the construction of 2 new reactors (Vogtle-3/4) continues.
        3. +2
          4 January 2023 01: 46
          They made a trampoline.
          they made a trampoline, only it flies crookedly so far.
          and it while - forever. apparently due to lack of competence.
          cheaper to design a new one - landing only on water, dangerous proximity to engines with toxic and explosive fuel - up to the moment of splashdown and evacuation of astronauts from the capsule, lack of a domestic compartment to poop and pee
          1. 0
            4 January 2023 16: 42
            Crooked he flies in your fantasy?

            Landing on water only. And va. Where do you need to? Water covers 70% of the Earth.
      2. 0
        4 January 2023 07: 19
        Do not underestimate American industry. An example is the RD180 engine. How much we shouted about its uniqueness, and that the Americans cannot repeat it. And the result is private American space companies with passenger rockets and development prospects. Here, recently flew to the moon. And we have? The biggest achievement - they removed Rogozin, it's a pity it's not far.
        1. +2
          4 January 2023 10: 46
          An example is the RD180 engine. How much we shouted about its uniqueness, and that the Americans cannot repeat it.
          you mean screaming? and why should the Americans repeat it? if they have their own work.
          .
          Here, recently flew to the moon.
          meaning of flight how much they spent and will still spend on the Moon as part of ONLY the lunar program (not counting the fact that engines, stands, engineers, previous programs have already been produced for the budget) - you know? there, under 20 annual budgets of Roskosmos FOR EVERYTHING.
          .
          the result is private American space companies with passenger rockets and development prospects.

          Name at least one private. this is space, and money is space., which means that the tasks are exclusively military. in everything. everything else is an application.
          about passenger rockets - I don’t know who it’s designed for, high school students already seem to have to figure it out, but they are promoting it - apparently there is a request, but under this pipe they cut the budget. so they need it. . support competencies - yes, but competencies can be maintained in another way - for example, by simply not jumping five steps
          where to fly and why - again the question is, in order to recoup this flight anywhere, even as far as it is necessary to sell a dozen dollar billionaires "armchairs" for all their property and risk their health. there are not so many crazy people.
          .
          well, in short - if we want to fly exactly to the moon, regardless of any arguments, simply because someone wanted it that way, then you and I personally need to iron the last panties and systematically hand them over from year to year, waiting for this flag and pride for the country on the moon.
          But think, in addition to the Moon, there are many more objects in space, where no man has ever been.
          I don’t need bread and gasoline for 100-150. and you?
        2. 0
          4 January 2023 19: 46
          When did you fly to the moon? Something I don't remember...
          1. 0
            6 January 2023 04: 41
            Orion, December 2022 test flight
        3. -1
          12 January 2023 09: 48
          Popenko
          private American space companies with passenger rockets

          Americans generally do not have state-owned companies, as in Russia. Everything is private. But everything is very closely connected with the state. Companies promote their officials, have their own lobby in Congress and the Senate, and well-connected retired officials settle into warm chairs of top managers of private companies. Corruption, which Russia never dreamed of. And all for the sake of profitable orders. Nothing personal, just business. It is necessary to raise the dough in space - they will raise
    2. 0
      3 January 2023 22: 16
      Can you be more specific? For the first time I hear, very interesting. If it's not hard, of course.
      1. +1
        3 January 2023 23: 58
        Forget it - US nuclear lab accidents or US nuclear waste storage scam
        And yes - 8 trillion is in CURRENT prices.In then real value is much less
        1. +1
          4 January 2023 11: 13
          And yes - 8 trillion

          there is an account for several tens of billions.
          on them, apparently, Rosatom survived
      2. +1
        4 January 2023 11: 08
        Can you be more specific?
        youtube. Martsinkevich. the saga of rosatom. whoa know.
        there are some masterpieces. transmissions for two years already.
    3. 0
      5 January 2023 17: 55
      EBN, dog, gave this and that ... Well, let's write everything off on EBN. And better on Brezhnev. On Lenin (a popular topic, he created Ukraine from nothing ... We know in which direction we should not spit ...
    4. 0
      7 January 2023 10: 22
      I don’t know about the S-300, but I fully admit it. I had to blush for the antics of EBN more than once. I learned something after a decade and a half and was glad that I found out so late - it could have blown the roof off of this.
      And about the HEU-LEU deal, you are wrong both in the description and in the assessment. B. L. Martsinkevich analyzed this topic in great detail, there is a series of videos on this topic on YouTube. First, the deal did not cover plutonium. Secondly, then it was Gaidar who was transferring everyone to self-sufficiency, and enrichment plants too. The HEU-LEU deal allowed these plants to be preserved and modernized, thanks to which Rosatom is now ahead of the rest in the production and processing of nuclear fuel. And the United States was left with an extremely energy-intensive and inefficient diffusion technology for uranium enrichment.
  9. +11
    3 January 2023 07: 47
    From the article, I realized that there are no other active defense systems on our tanks at all?
    I don't want to believe it, but a fact is a fact. We do not see tanks with KAZ in Ukraine
    1. +7
      3 January 2023 08: 07
      There are no Drozdov either, the T-80UM-2 is a single copy, and the T-55AMD has not been in service for a long time.
    2. +4
      3 January 2023 08: 09
      As I understand it, our military-industrial complex works on the principle of making more pieces of equipment and shells for it, and the technical equipment of this equipment is already a second question, this applies not only to tanks, for example, recently the question of sighting and navigation systems for aircraft and the dynamic protection that the soldiers themselves brew. It turns out you need to ask those who are involved in providing
      1. +3
        3 January 2023 13: 00
        The Union did quite competitive things. The T-72 was quite up to par, perhaps it was slightly inferior to its counterparts, but due to its mass character it was superior, and this was not some kind of huge lag. Well, the current state of affairs is already the fruits of defeat in the Cold War. The military-industrial complex eats huge resources, in order to remain relevant you need to invest, and we scored "Peace, friendship, chewing gum!" same. What we see now in the troops is still a Soviet backlog, in which they poorly invested, and therefore the following impression is created:
        more pieces of equipment and shells for it, and the technical equipment of this equipment is already a matter of the second
      2. +2
        3 January 2023 13: 45
        Quote from targ3t
        As I understand it, our military-industrial complex works on the principle of making more pieces of equipment and shells for it, and the technical equipment of this equipment is already a matter of the second
        What the military-industrial complex orders, it does. If it can.
      3. +5
        3 January 2023 17: 49
        As I understand it, our military-industrial complex works on the principle of making more pieces of equipment and shells for it, and the technical equipment of this equipment is already a second question, this applies not only to tanks, for example, recently the question of sighting and navigation systems for aircraft and the dynamic protection that the soldiers themselves brew.
        Our military-industrial complex is engaged in what they pay for within the framework of the State Defense Order. If active protection is not ordered, then it is not done. Gone are the days when an enterprise could come up with something and offer the Ministry of Defense. It's too expensive for businesses.
  10. +4
    3 January 2023 09: 14
    Why is everything so sad and sad in real life?
    1. Alf
      +3
      3 January 2023 22: 39
      Quote: dva36
      Why is everything so sad and sad in real life?

      Is the army separated from the state? What's in the country, then in the army ...
      1. +2
        4 January 2023 03: 46
        Quote: Alf
        Is the army separated from the state? What's in the country, then in the army ...

        only for some reason the so-called liberal bloc represented by the central bank turned out to be much better prepared for war than the Ministry of Defense.
        Maybe the point is not in the state, but in specific departments of this state? Mr. Minister of Defense literally in January said that the troops had 70% of modern equipment. and then the frontal actions began and it turned out that this, to put it mildly, was not so.
        But the ongoing stress training of banks by Ms. Nabiullina allowed the entire banking system to work quite well under conditions of unprecedented pressure.
        It may well be that if the Ministry of Defense told the real state of affairs in the army, no special military operation would simply begin.
        1. Alf
          +2
          4 January 2023 18: 22
          Quote: certero
          if the Ministry of Defense told the real state of affairs in the army,

          Who was told? President? Well, it kept silent, but at the beginning of the war it turned out, then why are the Minister of Defense and the head of the General Staff still at their posts and with their shoulder straps? And if they did, then why did the president, as supreme commander in chief, give the go-ahead to start the war?
          Quote: certero
          the so-called liberal bloc represented by the central bank turned out to be much better prepared for war

          What is there about 300 billion greenery heard?
        2. 0
          4 January 2023 23: 09
          It may well be that if the Ministry of Defense told the real state of affairs in the army, no special military operation would simply begin.


          Who was told? Public? And that it would change? Those who decide such issues clearly were aware of the situation. Draw your own conclusions.
  11. +2
    3 January 2023 10: 03
    Everyone immediately thinks about the sad ... And where is the joy in the war? Peace for life, war for death. now on topic. I hope I will find colleagues here. I'm interested in how the tank was destroyed ... It can be seen that the 3rd left roller vomited. I can’t understand is it a mine or a landmine so well flown? Mina is very doubtful. the tank seemed to be parked. Land mines are lying around like ours, otherwise the Urals are standing there, I think with supplies one was loaded. Who knows how the tank died. Rather covered with art. Is the 155th correctable? Painfully good enemies worked. I don’t know about the penetration by fragments, but in the area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbthe carousel I think it will also break through the impact, and there the charges are laid on the sides in the carousel. I think the main reason for the subsequent ignition or immediately chain ... Who knows? I have not heard anything about the battles in that area ...
    1. +3
      3 January 2023 17: 36
      Quote from: GRAFIN_32
      Is the 155th correctable?

      There were none in March.
      But there were many sad stories about the adventures of the Kantemirovskaya division in March in the Sumy region.
  12. -5
    3 January 2023 10: 52
    In Ukraine, mostly old equipment is fighting, where new models are not clear. Apparently it is very little therefore cherish.
    1. +3
      4 January 2023 00: 31
      Does this new technology exist? As it turned out, most of the unparalleled in the world exist at best in a copy for an exhibition or parade. If the T62 is sent to the front, it’s not worth thinking that somewhere in the places of permanent deployment there is a T-90 regiment.
  13. +3
    3 January 2023 11: 41
    Today's soldiers would have shot Suvorov for the work at the training grounds that he forced to do, which is why there were so many stupid losses, stupidly stood at crossroads and in other places waited for the hail to arrive, neither military guards nor reconnaissance, drove in a crowd. And for history ..., it’s always like this with us, then some kind of enthusiast will find and restore it, we are not looking for easy ways.
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  15. -2
    3 January 2023 12: 51
    Quote: uladzimir.surko
    And again, the equipment is on the line! I don't want Dolby!

    Judging by the location, it is likely that the equipment was destroyed by our own due to the impossibility of evacuation during the withdrawal. When a full b / c is detonated, the turret flies far away, which means there was almost no turret in the tank. sad
  16. -1
    3 January 2023 13: 41
    In general, "gave a thrush." ​​And not surprisingly.
  17. Eug
    0
    3 January 2023 14: 28
    Yes, the nature of the damage is a little like a mine explosion .. it turns out that the complex did not work? Or, as is often the case, was something not included? Or caught on reload?
    1. 0
      27 February 2023 18: 24
      KAZ Drozd was produced in the Soviet Union. Accordingly, there is no production or service. Accordingly, the complex does not work. The tank was experienced. In a single copy. Destroyed most likely by covering artillery
  18. -2
    3 January 2023 18: 08
    When comparing the 2nd World War, German tigers died mainly not in battles, but on marches, parking lots, minefields, and even self-destructed by the crew in case of danger of being captured by the enemy.
  19. +9
    3 January 2023 19: 21
    The saddest thing is that KAZ is generally silent, it seems that for generals KAZ is still something incomprehensible and exotic. How much can you watch how our equipment is fired with stug, javelins, nlow, etc. Do you really feel sorry for the guys? They rush with this Armata, but fuck it is not needed - make the Afghanite or the arena modular and equip tanks and infantry fighting vehicles with it, at least assault units.
  20. +2
    3 January 2023 21: 34
    Judging by the photo, a burned-out tank is in a row with two burned-out trucks. Not at all a combat position, which in no way characterizes the work of Drozd. Like the "Shells" shot down on the march in Libya. here is another question - they missed a blow to the parking lot.
  21. 0
    3 January 2023 22: 03
    So the president asked the Minister of Defense the question of equipping the army in the zone of the NMD.
    1. +3
      3 January 2023 22: 22
      And what did the minister say? What's great about us?
  22. +6
    3 January 2023 23: 51
    It is bitter that the museum exhibit was flooded on UA. This is not about poverty, but about headlessness.
    It is terrible to remember how 4000 brand new T-72s were smashed before our eyes. Staffers accepted - cut a hole in the hull and cut the gun in half. Shining gears of boxes (mileage 300 km) were dumped into trailers and driven to Finca. And in Omsk there was an empty workshop with one watchman, and on the roof of the MTO of unfinished T-80s there were cast-iron blanks (so that the aluminum bodies of the engines would not whistle).
    And the Kolomna "Arena" did not go - they did not give money, the developer died. But "Arena-m" filmed Javelin. It's sad girls.
    1. 0
      27 February 2023 18: 25
      Where did you get the information that the Arena can withstand the Javelin complex? As far as I know, she is not able to protect the tank in the upper hemisphere.
  23. +2
    4 January 2023 00: 10
    The article again reminded us how our motorized riflemen and paratroopers famously entered Ukrainian soil in uncovered columns at the end of February ... And how many losses were immediately suffered in March-April both in equipment and in drugs ... It's sad.
  24. +1
    4 January 2023 01: 59
    The news is so... Emotional.
    It is possible, as some suggest, to ban both writing and publishing photos until we win.
    Technically, it's possible.
    Then even in VO only official messages from the RF Ministry of Defense will remain. We, ordinary readers of the news, most of whom are for the victory of Russian weapons - what should we do? Go volunteer? At 55, 60 and beyond?
    Mess up papers, mill them, sum up the results in spreadsheet editors, solder every little thing with their own fluxes and with their own devices, plumbers in the basements of residential buildings and in hospitals ... Will AI deal with this?
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  26. 0
    4 January 2023 09: 58
    And t55 from kaz. Are they in storage somewhere?
    1. 0
      27 February 2023 18: 26
      In the dustbin of history. In the 80s, under the conventional arms limitation treaty, everyone handed over the color of the met
  27. 0
    4 January 2023 16: 55
    Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
    The Kantemirovskaya division is the only one in the Western Military District that was armed with the T-80UD "Birch".


    Not the only one, the neighboring one also had UD. They visited Moscow in the early 90s.
  28. 0
    6 January 2023 11: 03
    Quote: AAK
    permanently excluded from the ceremonial calculation on May 9th

    Maybe until he confirms in battles? the right to be called guards and participate in parades?
  29. +2
    7 January 2023 04: 27
    Eh, guys ...))) You evaluate the system of supply, repair and maintenance from the point of view of the Soviet Army, or at least the 90s. I report in voice: this system has been completely eradicated! Instead, a system of theft, sawing and kickbacks was installed. I could tell you a lot of specific facts about how imported equipment is being sent to the troops, spare parts for which can be purchased either at your own expense (well, once, well, twice, but then it will hurt everyone), or under contracts for the provision of services with specific organizations (which are in no hurry to conclude these dialects, that's all), about the supply of all unnecessary crap from the factory (because the factory rolled back, and the order follows from above: "Urgently accept, otherwise I'll take you all ..."), and this one is " a boat on the balance sheet of a reindeer herding battalion" or "a snowmobile in a tropical brigade" is dead weight, and inhuman work to write it off begins from the first day. About "the application for refueling your printer was included in the plan for 2025, expect a dress" I generally keep quiet. And so absolutely in everything, everywhere and everywhere! But I won’t, because this is my fantasy, and generally alcoholic nonsense, but in fact we have everything available, and the troops do not need anything. )))
  30. 0
    8 January 2023 15: 29
    He fell not in battle, but in the parking lot came under shelling