Take out furniture, furniture ...

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Following one of the most popular expressions of recent times that it’s not customary to change horses, two judgments about the resignation of Anatoly Serdyukov, which caused a lot of noise, seem to suggest themselves. It turns out that either the crossing for the Russian army is over, or some problems began to be observed with the “horse”.



Recall that the November 6, exactly on the eve of the October Revolution 95 anniversary of the October Revolution, Vladimir Putin made a truly revolutionary decision for modern Russia: he dismissed Mr Serdyukov from the post of defense minister of the Russian Federation and almost immediately announced the appointment of Sergei Shoigu to the vacant ministerial post. The revolutionary shift in the Ministry of Defense literally plunged Russia into a general discussion of what is connected with the presidential decision regarding Anatoly Serdyukov. People began to discuss what had affected the head of state, who decided to sign a paper on the termination of Serdyukov’s powers as minister of defense and the removal of this man from the country's Security Council.

Naturally, the first in the list of general punctures of the already former minister is the sensational case of the holding company of the Defense Ministry “Oboronservis”. The “Military Review” has already raised the topic of how, through a number of dummy firms, from the military budget leaked in an incomprehensible (or rather, quite understandable) direction, as much as 3 billion rubles. Oboronservis was engaged in selling real estate objects belonging to the Ministry of Defense at radically reduced prices to affiliated companies, after which the company could dispose of the buildings “bought” from itself as it pleased a narrow circle of people.

This information raised a wave of public interest, because the fraud case involved people who, in their official duties, were close to the Minister of Defense himself. It turns out that either all the dirty scams were held behind Anatoly Serdyukov’s back, or the minister himself, to put it mildly, turned a blind eye to everything.

As it is known, when representatives of the investigating authorities rushed into the apartment of the ex-head of the property department of the Ministry of Defense Yevgenia Vasilyeva and began to search the apartment, Serdyukov immediately rushed to the president in Novo-Ogaryovo. Then, at least for the press, it was reported that the minister would contribute as much as possible to the investigation. True, in this case, not everyone believed that Anatoly Eduardovich would follow the path of complete openness in communicating with investigators. There were opinions that if Serdyukov, even after such a large-scale corruption scandal, remains at the ministerial post, then all the words about the fight against corruption in Russia are just worthless.

Obviously, realizing that the presence of Mr. Serdyukov in the ministerial chair after such a resonant incident could put a fat blob on all the anti-corruption aspirations of the highest federal authorities, Vladimir Putin decided to dismiss the seemingly unsinkable minister. There is a version that Serdyukov himself either declared the need for his resignation when he came to Novo-Ogaryovo to Putin from the apartment of one of the main figures in the Oboronservis case, Evgenia Vasilyeva, or Putin brought to the attention of Anatoly Eduardovich that it would be better start looking for another job. In general, we dare to assume that Serdyukov knew about Putin’s decision from 6 in November 2012, a few days before that. After all, it would be strange to think that such decisions are taken overnight, and without the knowledge of those towards whom they are directed.

This is indirectly confirmed by the fact that both President Putin and Prime Minister Medvedev, commenting on the resignation of Anatoly Serdyukov, thanked him for quite a long and fruitful work at the ministerial post and said that he had done quite a lot to modernize the Russian army.

At the same time, a number of political analysts in the dismissal of Anatoly Serdyukov see the possibility of a unique precedent for Russia. This precedent may consist in the heightened interest of the investigating authorities in the activities of Anatoly Eduardovich himself as the head of the defense department. The idea is that now Serdyukov is not exposed by the authorities, which means that the Investigation Committee may, as they say, take the ex-minister’s jacket for the lapels in the case of Oboronservis itself. So far, the press service of the RF IC speaks of the former minister as a witness, but if investigators have any other questions to him, then Mr. Serdyukov may not get rid of the witness status in this case.

But if the investigating authorities really start working with enviable zeal, not paying attention to the ranks, titles and titles, then Mr. Serdyukov may well be already a citizen of the investigative. And in order to emerge more or less dry from such a muddy fashion, Anatoly Eduardovich will have, as it is called, to merge his former subordinates, who allegedly carried out all financial and economic operations without his knowledge, in full. If this is the case, then the question of how the Minister of Defense would allow himself to work in such a way that such dark things were happening behind his back would lose relevance. He loses this issue of urgency, since Serdyukov is no longer a minister at all, for supposedly fired ... It turns out that the resignation is most likely not at all aimed at giving the Fas! Command to Anatoly Eduardovich, but the only option for salvation from real criminal prosecution. They say that the minister was not to blame - it was all of his surroundings, which put blinders on Anatoly Eduardovich and forced him to go in a strictly defined direction ...

But, but what if you still assume that for Serdyukov will take after his resignation for real. The probability, of course, is ghostly small, but you can still look at the situation. If the RF IC starts “digging the ground”, it turns out to be quite an interesting picture: the top leaders of the state secretly give up “the horse from the crossing” to the hands of the “butchers” ... Is Serdyukov the first victim of such large-scale backstage intrigues?

And if no orders were received from above, then really our investigating authorities have become so independent that they can bring the case to the end, even if it concerns the illegal activities of such large-scale figures of Russian politics. I would like to believe that this is the case, but here faith somehow dissolves too quickly in a political fog.

By the way, what are we talking about the situation with Oboronservis, as if there were no other reasons why Serdyukov was fired from his post? Were, were ...

Many expected that the minister would stop being a minister even when Dmitry Medvedev's Cabinet was being approved. Not everyone put in the merit of the Minister of Defense that he actually began building the Russian army from scratch and that the level of money allowances for servicemen increased, if not by a factor, then quite substantially. People first of all (which coincides with aspects of psychology) paid attention to political minuses in the work of the minister.

One of these drawbacks was the inability of the Minister to establish effective work on the procurement of new units. weapons from manufacturers. In the press, the regular disruption of the State Defense Order, the displacement of terms, the inability to negotiate a price with defense industry enterprises were constantly discussed. This obviously struck at the prestige of the Ministry of Defense and gave rise to discussions that Minister Serdyukov either sabotaged presidential and premier decisions on modernization areas, or was simply unable to take serious measures to implement them.

By the way, in December 2011 of the year in order to help the country's defense department, which stalled while making decisions on the state defense order, was appointed a whole deputy prime minister - Dmitry Rogozin. The presence of this person in the Government allowed us to hope that it would be much easier for the Ministry of Defense to negotiate with the production workers. However, already at the first stages of work in a new bundle, differences emerged between Serdyukov and Rogozin. The first one either harbored a feeling of unfriendliness towards Russian weapons manufacturers who did not want to lower the price of their products, or had any other reasons, but often unreasonably stubbornly insisted on purchasing foreign units of military equipment for the needs of the Russian army. Rogozin had a different opinion on this matter: he often openly opposed Anatoly Serdyukov, stating that in specific cases it would be better to invest in the development of our own defense industry, rather than buying equipment that is significantly inferior to domestic manufacturers from foreign manufacturers.

Recently, Dmitry Rogozin himself told the press that there was a conflict between him and Serdyukov. Rogozin stressed that he and the former minister had different opinions on the formation of a defense order. As the saying goes, what was required to prove ...
So, "Oboronservis" - one time, blunders when working on the State Defense Order - two ...

The third puncture was voiced by the journalists of the Vedomosti newspaper, who are confident that Serdyukov has encroached on the territory that is forbidden to himself, or rather on the Federal Security Service. In particular, the publication states that it was Serdyukov who pushed Mr. Korolev into his own FSB security service, who was once an assistant minister of defense. The fact that a person from the Ministry of Defense will observe the work of the FSB, according to Vedomosti, was not at all liked by everyone in the FSB, so to speak. It is also reported here that, allegedly at the request of the FSB, the trial of the Oboronservis case was initiated, which in fact buried Serdyukov’s career as defense minister.

If you believe these reports, it turns out that the minister could still be at his post indefinitely if he had not decided to “introduce” his people into someone else’s patrimony. And if so, then, therefore, it is a science for all other state officials: to work within their framework and not do stupid things in terms of trying to control the birds of a completely different flight.

There are other punctures of Anatoly Serdyukov, which most are known even without painstaking journalistic investigations: delaying the solution of the problem of providing military personnel with housing, reducing the number of military universities, incomplete army servicemen and more.

In particular, Vladimir Putin had to blush more than once about the unresolved housing problem. In the course of one of the direct lines, Putin was asked when the issue of the full leveling of the queue of servicemen awaiting their apartment would be resolved. Putin had to resort to the art of eloquence in order to explain to the country that the problem is being solved, and, obviously, at the same time, with a kind word, remember Mr. Minister ...

It would seem that even then Serdyukov could write a resignation report, but this did not happen. More precisely - not quite. Anatoly Eduardovich very often publicly in the presence of top state leaders declared that he was ready to resign, but remained in a strange way in his chair even after very obvious flaws. That is what added the epithet “unsinkable” to Serdyukov.

But nothing lasts forever, as well as the status of Minister of Defense for Anatoly Serdyukov. Outwardly, this resignation looks quite positive for many of our fellow citizens, but in any case, the role of the ex-minister during the reform of the Russian army can be discussed after a certain period of time. It would be difficult to expect that a person who was entrusted with carrying out such a serious reform, requiring trillions of expenses, would do everything with jewelery accuracy and without any complaints. One thing is clear: Serdyukov did the dirty work, and now his personal future will depend on how much he has run into this mud. The main thing is that the future of the Russian army is not as vague as the future of the ex-minister ...
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  1. Fox
    +3
    8 November 2012 08: 21
    article. as an example of HOW to make a political prisoner out of a simple Thief.
    1. +20
      8 November 2012 09: 46
      he is not a simple thief, but a cunning arrogant and greedy thief! and not in politics
      1. WW3
        WW3
        +3
        8 November 2012 14: 58
        Take out furniture, furniture ...

        ... carried along with the chair)))

        he is not a simple thief, but a cunning arrogant and greedy thief!

        Only with confiscation all the loot "back-breaking labor"! am
        1. WW3
          WW3
          +5
          8 November 2012 15: 13
          or still, certain problems began to be observed with the “horse”.

          A thief should sit in jail
        2. +1
          9 November 2012 22: 13
          WW3,
          Really green little men waited for revenge.
          1. WW3
            WW3
            +1
            9 November 2012 23: 05
            It is premature to talk about "revenge" so far, only resignation, when it will be, as Gleb Zheglov said, then yes ...
      2. +1
        8 November 2012 15: 26
        Quote: slav4ikus
        he is not a simple thief, but a cunning arrogant and greedy thief! and not in politics

        In the near future, we will probably see where this thief pops up, it’s unlikely to be planted.
        1. WW3
          WW3
          +3
          8 November 2012 15: 32
          Quote: baltika-18

          Soon we will probably see where this thief pops up

          Only Mr. ... doesn’t drown, pops up and stinks ...
        2. Cadet787
          +1
          8 November 2012 23: 04
          Dog canine death!
      3. predator.2
        +1
        8 November 2012 16: 43
        Even more than a year ago, all the top generals unanimously shouted to remove the tubaretkin. It is a threat to the combat effectiveness of the army and the security of Russia. But in response, as usual, this deaf-mute deceiver PUTIN inserted bananas in his ears. Here's the result, instead of fighting generals in the army, sikuhas are running the show. How much more will this deaf-mute power learn from newspapers about the mess in the country? It is necessary to plant for life the one who put on this responsible post, and not the girls in skirts, whose diamonds are best friends.
      4. mazdie
        0
        9 November 2012 00: 02
        We wanted the best, but it turned out as always! But there is ONE but - I wanted to decorate more, do not forgive to earn, but did not give (((
  2. +2
    8 November 2012 08: 34
    When the business with defense services began, there were many doubts about Serdyukov’s resignation. BUT, this happened, so I think that the matter will be on him.
    1. +18
      8 November 2012 08: 45
      I feel like they’ll make everyone secret to Edren’s hair dryer, there’s more than one Serdyukov who turned up fraud. They will start popping up their names and put pressure on the brakes. Surprise Serdyukov, he’ll hand over everyone. Maybe I’m mistaken, but I think the job of dismissal will end.
      1. +8
        8 November 2012 09: 09
        I agree, for a year they will pardon the case in the Investigative Committee, maybe someone will be put on probation for a year, and then they will let it go on the brakes, it was, they saw it! And after a year and forget about him, Serdyukov.! How at one time they forgot about Grachev!
      2. Purgen
        +12
        8 November 2012 10: 03
        I agree with the opinion of Romanov. Unfortunately. The system does not give up. A vivid example for analogies. This is pan Darkin. Far Eastern autocrat. There were already materials for the angle above the eyebrows. With such facts that Darkin and Co. until the end of their life in neighboring Magadan, cut down the forest. But no, he quietly resigned and in Moscow, a smoking-room settled on a deputy ministerial post. Six-switchmen sit down. And Divanova-Taburetkina will be sent off somewhere by the governor, ambassador or to the district embassy. Unfortunately.
      3. Denzel13
        +7
        8 November 2012 11: 16
        Judging by how Putin + Medvedev scattered in the transfer of his merits, it is logical to assume that he will not take his UK for the gills. It’s sad.
      4. +6
        8 November 2012 13: 21
        I absolutely agree with you. For it was said "... Serdyukov was an effective minister ...". The comrade was in the "cage".
      5. +3
        8 November 2012 13: 33
        and he (Serdyukov) can slip on the stairs or get into a car crash .... Just dismissing him is dangerous, because he didn’t invent everything and put it into practice, and his activity was not very secret, that no one from the leadership understood that he is just a thief. Real figures stand behind him, and he himself has become too uncomfortable - if you plant him, then he will surrender everyone, if you save him, you will substitute yourself, his participation is too obvious and not the fact that he will not surrender after salvation ....
      6. +4
        8 November 2012 14: 23
        Alexander Romanov,
        If he surrenders, of course, accomplices, Sash, then of course get out! But how awful is the uncontrolled omnipotence of officials in Russia! When the state or even the vitality of an entire army, industry or country depends on the greed or simple stupidity of one individual!
        1. +5
          8 November 2012 14: 44
          Quote: sergo0000
          If you hand over of course accomplices

          Sergey, who should be handed over there, a thief will drive a thief to a thief. The fifth case will be planted or not, but if he finds himself in London asking for political asylum, it will be the finish line. I don’t know what I will say in posts. On the site from the people there will only be mats.
          1. serg1978
            +3
            8 November 2012 15: 03
            I apologize for interfering, but Roosevelt long ago uttered a phrase that defines relations within the elite: "He, of course, is a son of a bitch. But he is our son of a bitch." Nothing new. And in London, there are so many Mr., pumping Russian money, that another one will be accepted as his own, no matter what obscenities may sound against him at home. Hard words break no bones. Recently there was a topic: how to overcome the negative image of our army. Simple. Do not let such people into London. Disassemble transparently on site. Well, estimate the likelihood of raising your image?
      7. +10
        8 November 2012 16: 25
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        I feel like they’ll make everyone secret to Edren’s hair dryer, there’s more than one Serdyukov who turned up fraud. They will start popping up their names and put pressure on the brakes. Surprise Serdyukov, he’ll hand over everyone. Maybe I’m mistaken, but I think the job of dismissal will end.


        According to the Kommersant newspaper, E. Vasilyeva, who allegedly escaped abroad, is in the hospital under the control of operatives.
        Today, charges have been brought against two arrested persons involved in the Oboronservis case - the general director of the Expert Legal Support Center, Ekaterina Smetanova, and her common-law husband, the former head of the military warehouse, Maxim Zakutailo.
        The person involved in the related criminal case Dmitry Mityaev (he is suspected of receiving a kickback in the amount of three million rubles when selling the lands of the Ministry of Defense) said that Vasilieva participated in the thefts along with Smetanova. If Smetanova and Zakutailo confirm this evidence, Vasilyeva will also become the accused. AND On the basis of her testimony, former Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov may also have a procedural status
        So let's wait for further events ... Since Vasiliev here means Serdyukov needs to dry crackers in theory ... Another thing is how interested is Putin in bringing this matter to a conclusion? Time will tell..
        Did Putin know about this? I knew. Yes, he received a signal, says - check.
        But when already put on the table such facts that it was impossible to retreat, then he said already seriously - check and report. Here is the Investigative Committee and checked. He dug only half a bayonet shovel and 3 billion rubles at once, and five criminal cases at once, and immediately four apartments at Madame Vasilyeva, and it immediately turned out that she was living on the fourth floor from the Minister of Defense. Our country is on such a march - in the transition from socialism with a so-called human face to capitalism, when there is an accumulation of capital, when morality is thrown into the trash, when the ruling class, which is stuffing its pockets and which often has such practical national issues, is permissible as army building, right, competent, all this for hell. Everyone will still think for a long time on the principle of stealing, stealing and stealing. Living today, like on the last day, is a kind of psychological motto of this new class of people, who came to power. A group of people who now rule Russia, they, in general, are recruiting a team on the principle, first of all, of personal devotion. not by professional qualities. Another thing is that some of them begin to understand that if they don’t turn to face the country, then they have two options
        First, they will be "squeezed" from power and money by foreign owners, according to whose financial and economic concepts they are forced to play
        The second one. Sooner or later they will be swept away by disgruntled people from within.
        In any case, they will lose EVERYTHING.
        Therefore, either it is necessary to end the compromise with the thieves and bribe-takers themselves or for them other forces will do it.
      8. Purgen
        +2
        8 November 2012 23: 28
        As soon as the "mouth opens". Immediately !!! Get into an accident, or "die of heart failure" Or shoot himself like Pugo. Or throw himself out of the window. Funny and sad.)
  3. John from the USA
    +4
    8 November 2012 09: 22
    It would be a mechanic in Izhevsk to assemble machine guns and strengthen defense capabilities. And the salary of a locksmith.

    or still, certain problems began to be observed with the “horse”

    Very accurately noticed and similar.
    1. +2
      8 November 2012 11: 17
      Quote: John from USA
      It would be a mechanic in Izhevsk to assemble machine guns and strengthen defense capabilities. And the salary of a locksmith.


      Its better in the specialty. He is a furniture maker. Put it on the manufacture of wooden stocks. Although not. Will begin to cheat and make of chipboard.
      1. yustas
        +2
        8 November 2012 11: 45
        alexneg,

        Yes, it’s better by profession, but with a shift .... for example, the forest is felled by kalyma and there are more benefits, and again, you do not have to pay RFP =)
    2. donchepano
      0
      8 November 2012 15: 17
      Weapons of the arms industry if you give a tool to your hands ..
      From w .. if you grew then trouble
  4. +3
    8 November 2012 09: 23
    Even in Soviet times, merchants were not respected considering them thieves, and here this lenbeltorg became the Minister of Defense. There couldn’t be another option, everything sticks to their hands, this is their distinctive professional quality.
  5. +8
    8 November 2012 09: 54
    Take out furniture, furniture ...
    Anatoly Eduardovich very often publicly in the presence of senior leaders of the state said that he was ready to resign

    As in the cartoon "Golden Antelope" ... There the rajah also finally wheezed: - enough, hwa-a-tit ..

    1. sea
      sea
      +2
      8 November 2012 10: 42
      as Ostap Ibrahimovic Bender used to say: the ice has broken, gentlemen of the jury!
    2. WW3
      WW3
      +4
      8 November 2012 15: 21
      Quote: sanyabasik

      As in the cartoon "Golden Antelope" ... There the rajah also finally wheezed: - enough, hwa-a-tit ..

      In such cases, they say "greed fraer ruined"! crying
  6. +1
    8 November 2012 09: 57
    The main thing is that the future of the Russian army should not be as vague as the future of the ex-minister ...
    Wait and see.
  7. +5
    8 November 2012 09: 58
    Krylov's fable / QUARTET

    Prankish Monkey,
    Donkey,

    Yes clubfoot Bear
    They started to play the Quartet.
    We got notes, bass, viola *, two violins
    And sat on a meadow under sticky -
    Captivate your art light.
    Hit in the bows, tear, but no sense.
    “Wait, brothers, wait!” The Monkey shouts. “Wait a minute!”
    How do the music go? After all, you are not sitting like that.
    You with the bass, Misha, sit down against the viola,
    I, prima, will sit against the second *;
    Then the music will not be the same:
    We will dance the forest and mountains! "
    Settled, started the Quartet;
    He is still in tune with her.
    "Wait, I found a secret, -
    Donkey screams, - we really get along,
    If we sit next to him. "
    They obeyed the Donkey: sat down decorously in a row,
    Still, the Quartet neydet fret.
    Here more than ever they went to the analysis
    And disputes,
    Who and how to sit.
    Nightingale happened to fly their noise.
    Here, asking everything to him, so that they can be solved by doubt:
    "Perhaps, they say, take patience for an hour,
    To Quartet in order our lead:
    And we have notes, and we have instruments;
    Just tell us how to sit down! "-
    "To be a musician, skill is needed
    And your ears are poorer,
    The Nightingale answers them. -
    And you, friends, no matter how you sit down,
    Everybody's not good at musicians. "
    1. 0
      8 November 2012 11: 11
      Soon the moderators will not only halve Krylov’s fables, but also shorten the Russian language to one letter Y.
  8. Ash
    Ash
    +10
    8 November 2012 10: 14
    Officers with a long length of service are sitting without dormitories (what can we say about apartments ...), and these gentlemen are stealing insolently there. They must be shot, and not dismissed. Stalin doesn’t have these shit.
    1. yustas
      +6
      8 November 2012 11: 37
      Totally agree with you!
      But the current government has a thin gut on such steps, they can blame what Stalin did, but they themselves do not want to take any radical measures, since I repeat the wrong scale. They live for their own sake and not for the sake of the country, and so long as such people break into power in a coordinated manner, it is unlikely that anything will change in our country.
    2. prunx
      -4
      8 November 2012 12: 09
      Quote: Ash

      Officers with a long length of service are sitting without dormitories (what can we say about apartments ...)

      For the sake of objectivity, the problem of housing housing dates back to the time of the USSR, and in the 90s this was not solved at all. It was with the advent of Serdyukov that the situation moved off the ground. Tens of thousands of military families finally got housing.
      Quote: Ash
      and these gentlemen are stealing insolently there

      it was the old rotten military elite who stole there so that Serdyukov’s mistresses didn’t lie nearby in the volumes of theft. This purulent general boil also threw Serdyukov, thereby cleaning the apparatus. Pus, of course, sprayed many.
      1. not good
        0
        9 November 2012 15: 34
        Yes, of course, it’s the old generals who are to blame for the fact that Serdyukov framed him with a harem.
        Think what you write. fool
        1. Belo_ticketnik
          0
          9 November 2012 16: 06
          Well, it’s not up to Serdyukov in the army, of course, they didn’t steal))))) they stole, they steal and they will steal!

          Some steal in order to support the family (ensign and Co.), others because of GREED.
  9. +5
    8 November 2012 10: 31
    As already zadolbal this system. Persons are appointed to the most important post of Minister of Defense not for reasons of professionalism, but for reasons of prejudice. Based on this, that Serdyukov that Shoigu one field of berries. Now as for Serdyukov - resignation for him now is the best way out of the situation. And in Novo-Ogaryovo he went to negotiate. Like ... give me a resignation, and I'm leaving calmly. What apparently received approval.
    Shoigu - now it seems to me that the Ministry of Defense will be so closed that it will be simply impossible to find out any reliable information what will happen there. Again on TV there will be tanks, planes flying, soldiers marching, and what is really there is unknown, as in the Ministry of Emergencies now. As for his professionalism, there are big doubts here. Although I will not run in, wait and see.
    1. donchepano
      +1
      8 November 2012 15: 20
      something tells me that besides the show, nothing good will happen in the army
  10. +5
    8 November 2012 10: 32
    He didn’t vote for the current President for only one reason ... If he put Serdyukov and put up with the idea that he was doing in the Army, this is not my President
  11. +8
    8 November 2012 10: 50
    So what is the revolutionary decision?
    We changed one person from the team (Family) to another. Even without assessing how good or bad Shoigu is, one can argue that he is "on the board" for the ruling clan. He has been hanging out in power for over 20 years. At the very top. And he has proved his loyalty more than once. Now, if Shamanov or at least Ivashov were appointed Minister of Defense. That would be a step in the right direction. And best of all is Kvachkova.
    In my opinion, there’s nothing to discuss here. Hang out a greasy deck of cards. And all business.
    1. 0
      8 November 2012 13: 14
      Quote: virm
      Hang out a greasy deck of cards

      And speckled !!!
  12. yustas
    +2
    8 November 2012 11: 42
    Again, gentlemen, comrades, remember who Serdyukov is? manager, and what are the responsibilities of the manager? Increase profits, so that based on this assumption, he fulfilled his duties by 100%.
    The only question is where did our bodies and government look before? The conclusion is that:
    1. Either he did not share this time
    2. Either become objectionable at the given place.
    Again, the ratification of the ministrooffs is quite possible due to the fact that too many questions have become dissatisfied, our ministry of defense has changed gentlemen .... although I really hope that I am mistaken with these conclusions.
    1. 0
      8 November 2012 21: 05
      Quote: yustas
      Again, gentlemen, comrades, remember who Serdyukov is? manager, and what are the responsibilities of the manager? Increase profits

      Whose profit own?
  13. +5
    8 November 2012 12: 34
    People, you don’t understand, it’s not Serdyukov’s business, we have all this power, arrogant thieves and cynical, they divide the country there among themselves, and we are given small stuffing so that we would pull and let off a few pairs without noticing their main collective robbery of the country.
  14. +2
    8 November 2012 12: 45
    On this occasion, I remember the cartoon "Treasure Island". There, at the end of the first part, Silver said at the vote of the gentlemen of fortune: “Kill.” Someone was superfluous on the ship. But they were all eagerly eager to find treasures. So, drawing analogies, someone must have expressed it that way, well, not literally, of course. Greed has ruined the frayer.
  15. +2
    8 November 2012 12: 54
    Following one of the recent running expressions that it is not customary to change horses without crossing
    ________________________________________
    "The driven horses are being shot!" There is also such an option.
  16. Evil Tatar
    0
    8 November 2012 13: 11
    Quote: yustas
    The only question is where did our bodies and government look before? The conclusion is that:
    1. Either he did not share this time
    2. Either become objectionable at the given place.

    I will not dispute - everything seems to be right ...
    And other comments are worthy and worthy of attention, but ...

    (on the day of Serdyukov’s resignation, I already wrote in another topic. I repeat here ...)
    Recall that analysts predicted different kinds after the US election?
    That the US rulers will most likely develop an escalation of the conflict for their interests in Syria, and then Iran ... And maybe right there and there ...

    Therefore, there may be a third option - this is when deliberately revealing a motivated situation with corruption in the Moscow Region, the change of civil minister Serdyukov, to a stronger manager, respected by many S.K. Shoigu.
    The dumb western world is grabbing the cause and will not pump hysteria into the brain of its electorate on the topic of deliberate preparation of Russia for the mess - the reason for the change is objective, not prepared or sudden.
    Russia remained white and fluffy, but the army general replaced the civilian minister.
    Почему нет?
    1. +4
      8 November 2012 13: 27
      Comrade Sukhov used to say, "... this is hardly ...". Lieutenant Shoigu was good for extinguishing fires in the taiga and for PR. Geopolitics with such shoulder straps is not done.
      1. +2
        8 November 2012 22: 41
        For HOW to extinguish the fires it was necessary to immediately give to the tribunal.
  17. yustas
    +1
    8 November 2012 13: 18
    Angry Tatar,
    Such a scenario is also possible, of course it cannot be completely ruled out, and what can I say, he, personally, would suit most of our population.
  18. +5
    8 November 2012 14: 13
    So why was Serdyukov removed? The day is clear that it is not for the army, aviation and navy. The Ministry of Defense pursued the policy of the Commander-in-Chief and did everything it did “right”. We will not delve into the assessment of his activities. The authorities were afraid of the military and did not want to spend money on them. Serdyukov dealt with these problems, and if at the same time he stole, so what? Who doesn't steal? The main thing is to be devoted, to do what is entrusted and not to forget to share.
    In my opinion, the reason for the resignation in the material sphere. The size of kickbacks did not match the size of theft. This overlapped with the discontent of the supervising military-industrial complex. And the last straw was the refusal to surrender his mistress - an accomplice. The obstinate Power does not tolerate.
  19. +7
    8 November 2012 14: 20
    under comrade Stalin would be put to the wall, with confiscation of property
    1. WW3
      WW3
      +5
      8 November 2012 15: 24
      And without delay - let go of the flow!
  20. wax
    +3
    8 November 2012 14: 45
    During the presidency of Medvedev, Putin could not remove Serdyukov. because Minister of Defense - presidential shot. Now Putin has not just removed Serdyukov, but at the same time launched a mechanism for improving the army (generally speaking, and society). And this is serious, because without an effective army and effective defense in the world arena we have no place.
    1. 0
      8 November 2012 18: 08
      Quote: Wax
      at the same time launched a mechanism for improving the army (generally speaking, and society)


      Apparently something has changed for the better in the world. What exactly do not know yet.
  21. atomic
    0
    8 November 2012 16: 35
    Putin, with a team, warmed his hands, and attributed everything to Perdyukov, the Moor did his job. In this area, without a mouse, Putin will not fart, and Norod still believes in a good king.
  22. cool.ya-nikola
    +3
    8 November 2012 17: 03
    And what, with the removal of the Minister of Defense, the rank in the Russian Army - FELDMEBEL, will be annulled automatically, or will there be a separate presidential decree for this? feel
  23. 46bob46
    +3
    8 November 2012 20: 06
    Until 1960, betrayal of the Motherland was the content of Article 58-1a of the Special Part of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR, enforced by a resolution of the Central Executive Committee of the USSR on June 8, 1934:

    “Cheating on the motherland, that is, acts committed by citizens of the USSR to the detriment of the military power of the USSR, its state independence or the inviolability of its territory, such as espionage, the issuance of military or state secrets, switching to the enemy’s side, flight or flying abroad, are punished the supreme measure of criminal punishment - execution with confiscation of all property, and under extenuating circumstances - imprisonment for a term of 10 years with confiscation of all property ”

    Until 1960, betrayal of the Motherland was the content of Article 58-1a of the Special Part of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR, enforced by a resolution of the Central Executive Committee of the USSR on June 8, 1934:

    “Cheating on the motherland, that is, acts committed by citizens of the USSR to the detriment of the military power of the USSR, its state independence or the inviolability of its territory, such as espionage, the issuance of military or state secrets, switching to the enemy’s side, flight or flying abroad, are punished the supreme measure of criminal punishment - execution with confiscation of all property, and under extenuating circumstances - imprisonment for a term of 10 years with confiscation of all property ”
  24. +2
    8 November 2012 22: 12
    A good year for the RF Armed Forces. First Grachev, and then Serdyukov, I understand that, God saw everything !!!
  25. IGR
    IGR
    +3
    8 November 2012 22: 21
    Nothing will happen to him. Will affect the sick deadly, gasp and scold the doctors (overstrained "fruitful activity in the field of outsourcing"), will attach somewhere in the state. corporation eighth gen. director in a year or half a year. He has enough money until the sun goes out. And he knows many family secrets.
    NOTHING WILL HAPPEN. UNFORTUNATELY. NOTHING.
  26. Drappier
    +8
    8 November 2012 22: 34
    Burn in hell, ghoul.
  27. Andr58
    +1
    9 November 2012 10: 13
    What is right, Evgenia Vasiliev - or Zhenya Serduchka? Already in the hospital. I wonder if you can survive?
  28. 0
    9 November 2012 13: 03
    They removed him for grossly violating the "rules of the game." Yes, and the father-in-law tried (played along)!
  29. not good
    0
    9 November 2012 15: 38
    Before the crossing they thought that the horse, and washed in the water, it turned out to be a pig. laughing
  30. 0
    14 November 2012 00: 17
    Right now, watch Russia1, a program about Oboronservis and Serdyuk! Very interesting!

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