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The Ukrainian military began to use "anti-drone" nets to protect against Russian attack drones "Lancet"

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The Ukrainian military began to use "anti-drone" nets to protect against Russian attack drones "Lancet"

Loitering ammunition "Lancet" is quite actively used by Russian troops on the line of contact to destroy Ukrainian armored vehicles, artillery and various systems, including radar. Kamikaze drones cause a lot of trouble for the Ukrainian military, so the task of combating drones has come to the forefront.


In the Ukrainian army, as in the Russian one, the same methods are used to combat drones, these are anti-aircraft systems, electronic warfare systems, including portable, small arms weapon. Recently, however, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have introduced yet another method of protection against loitering ammunition - these are the so-called anti-drone nets, which are stretched over armored vehicles, artillery pieces, etc. to stop the drone.

It is not known who came up with this know-how, but in recent days Ukrainian resources have filled in photos with these very nets stretched over weapons. The pictures were taken at the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the time and place are not indicated. It is noted that this is protection against Russian kamikaze drones "Lancet". In particular, it is shown how, with the help of such a net, Ukrainian artillerymen are trying to cover the American M777 howitzer.

The effectiveness of such protection is unknown, while there is no information that the Russian "Lancets" were stopped by such "protection". Earlier, Ukrainian resources distributed footage of two Russian Lancet-3M attack drones allegedly stuck in a camouflage net stretched over a tank T-72M APU. It is possible that it was these pictures that prompted the Ukrainians to use the mesh as a protective tool.
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  1. Alexga
    Alexga 30 December 2022 10: 49
    +3
    What network will be able to hold the Lancet with its mass and speed?
    1. figwam
      figwam 30 December 2022 11: 17
      +9
      And if it is steel, then it looks like it can
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 30 December 2022 11: 33
        +6
        Quote: figvam
        And if it is steel, then it looks like it can

        And over the columns in motion, the nets were also pulled?
        1. figwam
          figwam 30 December 2022 13: 33
          +2
          You need to put knives in the nose, let the wings fly off, but the fuselage from the explosive will fly to the target by inertia.
    2. gromit
      gromit 30 December 2022 11: 39
      +11
      Any strong enough. Lancet 1 is generally a baby, Lancet 3 is more serious, but still more likely to shatter into pieces than break the network.
      But the fact that he did not explode at the same time is rather an accident.
      The explosive charge is not very large. And if it does not hit the target directly, but explodes 3-5 meters away, then the armored vehicles will most likely not suffer at all.
      1. SpbGenn
        SpbGenn 30 December 2022 12: 28
        +1
        The network plug does not detonate, you need to increase the sensitivity.
      2. Gunther
        Gunther 31 December 2022 16: 21
        0
        Quote from Gromit
        ...AND if he will not hit the target directly, but will explode in 3-5 meters, then armored vehicles rather won't get hurt at all.

        wassat
        Keywords in a funny suggestion - if and sooner. laughing
        I even remembered Putin's pearl about a grandfather who could become a grandmother.
        1. Peter1First
          Peter1First 3 January 2023 11: 50
          0
          Here you need to think systematically! 1.) The drone is light and not very fast. 2.) The drone has 4 wings and a propeller, so there is something to get tangled in the net! 3.) The mesh is most likely kapron, because steel is heavy and inconvenient to deploy and stretch. 4.) The mesh is quite elastic and before it breaks, it stretches elastically, dampening the speed of the drone and deviating it from the direction, and since the drone will fly into the mesh most likely not at a right angle, the action of the mesh will increase. 5.) If the drone is cumulative and hit the grid, then most likely the armored vehicles will not suffer. 6.) If the drone is fragmented and hit the net, then there will be a defeat, but many times less than with a direct hit. 7.) If the drone has a contact fuse, then there is a chance that it will not work. CONCLUSION: It was not necessary to save on the mass and motor of the Lancet! If it were at least half the mass of the Edge, then the grid would no longer hold it!
    3. Storog dvornik
      Storog dvornik 30 December 2022 12: 24
      +5
      I recall an American product with six planes / knives, with which they soaked someone there in 2019 from a drone in Iran (sort of) in a passenger car ... The wingspan / knives are under 2 meters, the car was opened like a can, minced meat in the cabin ... True, this is a planning power supply unit with a size and mass that is not small, almost cast iron, I don’t remember the marking, sorry ...
      You can’t attach this to a light Lancet with an electric motor, although if the planes are carbon or fiberglass, it’s quite possible to give the desired shape and sharpen - craftsmen sell carbon fiber knives on the net - they are very sharp, they will cut the nylon mesh easily, and cross-shaped planes are in the subject ...
    4. hostel
      hostel 30 December 2022 13: 29
      +6
      So he has neither mass nor speed. In addition, you forget that ships, sometimes, nets are wound on propellers and their powerful power plant cannot break them.
      1. Oleg812spb
        Oleg812spb 31 December 2022 22: 52
        +1
        Winding and breaking through are different concepts and physics of processes.
  2. UAZ 452
    UAZ 452 30 December 2022 10: 52
    +15
    If it works, then why not? But in general, such protection is elementary: in addition to the contact fuse, another one is installed, which is triggered after the accelerometer has shown a sharp negative acceleration, or simply zero speed of the drone.
    By the way, it’s hard to believe in the Lancets getting stuck in the camouflage net: with its mass and speed, this is even less likely than the sledgehammer getting stuck in the glass of the window into which it was thrown. Or does the Armed Forces of Ukraine have a mask net made of Kevlar threads, and not the thinnest ones at that?
    1. Vladimir80
      Vladimir80 30 December 2022 10: 57
      +1
      But in general, such protection is elementary: in addition to the contact fuse, another one is placed

      Well, this is elementary for you and me, but for the industry that produces them (in which country?) It is a matter of months, unfortunately ... and the fragmentation effect of "lancets" due to the specifics of UAVs is minimal
    2. dzvero
      dzvero 30 December 2022 11: 09
      +6
      Or the APU has a masknet from Kevlar threads, and not the thinnest?

      Most likely you guessed it. The lancet is not an ATGM, the speed is lower, with an unsuccessful hit angle, there is a possibility of deflection and entanglement. As you mentioned, it is necessary to introduce a self-destruction algorithm during a sharp slowdown and near-zero speed.
      1. Brylevsky
        Brylevsky 30 December 2022 11: 31
        -5
        Or embed a mercury circuit breaker in the fuse circuit. The slightest movement, and - an explosion ...
        1. YOUR
          YOUR 30 December 2022 11: 40
          +4
          How will he fly, maneuver if the slightest movement and explosion? And what is a mercury fuse? Thermometer?
          1. Brylevsky
            Brylevsky 30 December 2022 14: 37
            +7
            . And what is a mercury fuse? Thermometer?

            The mercury contactor is a component of the contact fuse. The principle of its operation is as follows: relatively speaking, there is a sealed flask in which electrical contacts are sealed. Mercury in the flask serves as a sensor for the movement of the flask and as a conductor of electric current. After the accelerometer of the ammunition (in this case, the "Lancet", but not the essence) gives the signal to the electrical circuit: "Acceleration = 0", the control controller will put the electrical circuit into standby mode. After that, the slightest attempt to move the ammunition from its place will lead to the appearance of a control signal in the circuit, that is: “The acceleration is not equal to“ 0 ”. , and the other, they eat a lot of current during their work, but the mercury contactor does not ...
            I answered your question.
            1. Andy_nsk
              Andy_nsk 30 December 2022 15: 03
              +4
              The mercury contactor is a component of the contact fuse.

              Thank you, I read it with interest, just some kind of antique! Now everything can be done easier: put an accelerometer in the form of a microcircuit (they are like dirt and are inexpensive), write a detonation algorithm for the microcontroller (which is probably already in the Lancets), activate the fuse with a sharp slowdown.
            2. Peter1First
              Peter1First 3 January 2023 11: 56
              0
              Yes, just a timer for 1,5 seconds after a sharp drop in speed!
          2. Brylevsky
            Brylevsky 30 December 2022 14: 47
            +3
            . How will he fly, maneuver if the slightest movement and explosion?

            No, not an explosion. The crux of the matter is as follows. While the flying ammunition lives a normal, flying life, the mercury contactor is not activated. It works, but the electrical signal from its contacts is cut off by the logic of the electrical circuit. Under certain conditions, namely: speed "0", acceleration "0", the signal from the mercury contactor begins to be read by the control fuse controller. The slightest movement of the immobilized ammunition will lead to the flow of mercury and the closure of the contacts of the contactor. "1" will appear at the input of the control controller logic instead of "0". I think there is no point in explaining further ... or explaining?
      2. Oleg812spb
        Oleg812spb 31 December 2022 22: 54
        +1
        Yeah, they shoot down cruise missiles with glass jars from under the fat ...
    3. Uprun
      Uprun 30 December 2022 11: 17
      +3
      Mithril (or "mitril") is the most precious metal in Middle-earth. It was strong, light and very beautiful, as a result of which it was suitable for making the most ...
      1. novel66
        novel66 30 December 2022 11: 41
        +2
        Carefully noted! But dear, dog, and Pan Ataman ....
    4. Cube123
      Cube123 30 December 2022 11: 58
      +1
      Quote: UAZ 452
      By the way, it’s hard to believe in the Lancets getting stuck in the camouflage net: with its mass and speed, this is even less likely than the sledgehammer getting stuck in the glass of the window into which it was thrown. Or does the Armed Forces of Ukraine have a mask net made of Kevlar threads, and not the thinnest ones at that?

      And the blades along the edge of the wings will not save the "father of Russian democracy"?
      1. SpbGenn
        SpbGenn 30 December 2022 12: 25
        +2
        Yes, you have identified exactly. It's from Kevlar. And the Serbs started - they used Kevlar nets against the tomahawk.
        1. Disant
          Disant 4 January 2023 02: 59
          0
          and where did they take them? in the gorge, between the slopes?
      2. SpbGenn
        SpbGenn 30 December 2022 12: 26
        0
        Respect !!
        Write about it in Kalashnikov.
        (Seriously)
    5. TIR
      TIR 1 January 2023 09: 41
      +1
      I will give an example from physics, when a paper strip 2-3 cm wide is taken and connected with a hoop. Then the hoop is hung on a beam. They take a wooden rod and insert it into a hoop. And with force they sharply hit the hoop trying to break it. So it will not break, but the wooden rod will break. So here too. If the net is not tight enough, sewn from nylon threads, then with 100% probability it will break the wings of the drone. It will definitely be difficult to break without consequences. So there is a great chance of protection in such nets
  3. japan-k
    japan-k 30 December 2022 10: 53
    +3
    A UAV weighing 12kg, flying at a speed of 30 meters / sec, against a chain-link mesh, and it can be seen, is not the thickest, a very dubious undertaking. Despite the fact that the drone has a homing head in front of it, which will be the first to collapse when it hits the grid, thereby taking on the function of breaking through it. Yes, and the grid is stretched 1-1.5 meters maximum from the object
    1. SpbGenn
      SpbGenn 30 December 2022 12: 23
      0
      It was precisely the chain-link that the Georgians used back in 93 against anti-aircraft guns in Abkhazia. And ukram and am aware of this. They fearfully wait for Ivan to apply it. But the generals do not understand this.
      1. Disant
        Disant 4 January 2023 03: 11
        0
        tell me where you put it
  4. Bingo
    Bingo 30 December 2022 11: 01
    +2
    Useful thing. The lancet, of course, will not stop, but it will take longer to get out of position, so they will wait for their lancet ...
    In general, I noticed strange videos where an UAV pierces through a tank turret, or self-propelled guns, and I saw this and that, so a jet, obviously cumulative, also flies a couple of meters beyond the turret ...
    For example
    https://vk.com/video-123538639_456292372?t=28s

    Only in the video, it looks like it's not a Lancet - the wings are very healthy ... Here the mesh can hold something, although not a fact.
    Another question - what the hell is this and what kind of crazy godfather is there?
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 30 December 2022 11: 29
      +3
      The cumulative is always crazy ... And there are two types of Lancets at the moment. Maybe it's the 3rd one?
    2. YOUR
      YOUR 30 December 2022 11: 42
      +2
      How they neighed with joy when the SVO began and our tanks marched with canopies against ATGMs. Ha ha ha our javelins ha ha ha those nests. Where are these javelins now and what kind of nests they arrange.
      1. SpbGenn
        SpbGenn 30 December 2022 12: 19
        +4
        Until now, the advantage of the VFU in anti-tank guns does not allow moving on to tank breakthroughs. And the saturation of dill MANPADS does not allow massive bombing.
        Although there are already all means of counteraction. It's up to the generals.
        1. YOUR
          YOUR 30 December 2022 13: 13
          +1
          Quote: SpbGenn
          saturation of dill MANPADS does not allow massive bombing

          If so, then why don’t they bomb from heights exceeding the height of MANPADS, for example, from 5 km, according to any such bombing will be more accurate than incomprehensible pitch-up shooting.
    3. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 30 December 2022 11: 52
      0
      It also depends on the fuse. If there is no undermining, then it will not break through.
  5. Tagan
    Tagan 30 December 2022 11: 02
    0
    You can hunt with a net, like Duremar.
  6. mag nit
    mag nit 30 December 2022 11: 07
    -2
    Have you tried putting mosquito nets on top of pots?
  7. aszzz888
    aszzz888 30 December 2022 11: 10
    0
    Or maybe even try the Nazis? laughing
  8. Wedmak
    Wedmak 30 December 2022 11: 25
    0
    That is, they came up with it themselves, believed it themselves, distributed it themselves. Did you forget to check the efficiency?
  9. Pavel57
    Pavel57 30 December 2022 11: 26
    +1
    Quote: AlexGa
    What network will be able to hold the Lancet with its mass and speed?

    Quote: AlexGa
    What network will be able to hold the Lancet with its mass and speed?


    Mass and speed are relatively small.
    The grid performs the functions of spaced armor. Even in the case of self-destruction, there is a chance for the target to survive.
    1. SpbGenn
      SpbGenn 30 December 2022 12: 16
      -4
      Armor expansion? It's cool when such terms start appearing in print. Only the generals can’t put this in the heads. Yes, to other VChK-"cooks".
    2. Expert
      Expert 31 December 2022 21: 53
      0
      It must be assumed that if there is an additional detonation sensor and an additional fragmentation warhead, and the target is M777, or RSZO, or air defense, then the mesh will not fully protect.
  10. Brylevsky
    Brylevsky 30 December 2022 11: 28
    0
    Rave. What is the kinetic energy of the diving "Lancet"? The network will have to withstand it ... like anti-submarine networks.
    1. Oleg812spb
      Oleg812spb 31 December 2022 23: 02
      0
      Are you comparing the strength of an anti-submarine network of steel cables and a camouflage one?
  11. km-21
    km-21 30 December 2022 11: 35
    +3
    Any protection is only partial. In some situations, the grid will save you from the Lancet, in some situations it will not. As anti-drone defense develops, loitering ammunition will develop. But one way or another, for any cunning defense there is always a cunning bolt. And vice versa...
    1. SpbGenn
      SpbGenn 30 December 2022 12: 13
      +1
      Absolutely right. This is just a competition in the speed of implementation.
      Whoever manages to implement it faster, he will win.
  12. Hey
    Hey 30 December 2022 11: 39
    +4
    What network will be able to hold the Lancet with its mass and speed?


    Do not forget that the wings of the "Lancet" are plastic, the net is not rigidly fixed, even if the net is broken by the body of the drone, the wings will either break or get tangled, and the drone's flight path will change, and even if it explodes, a cumulative jet or blast wave and fragments will leave with a deviation. In this case, damage is either partial or generally by.
  13. SpbGenn
    SpbGenn 30 December 2022 12: 12
    +1
    This net haulm was already used during the war in Abkhazia in 93.
    And the Ukrainians participated in it.
  14. EVGENIY_VLADIMIROVICH
    EVGENIY_VLADIMIROVICH 30 December 2022 12: 45
    0
    It suggests a self-liquidator and balls - ready to add fragments.
  15. rocket757
    rocket757 30 December 2022 12: 59
    0
    The Ukrainian military began to use "anti-drone" nets to protect against Russian attack drones "Lancet"
    What are convenient, good air bombs, they can start on any grid!
    What conclusions can be drawn from this?
  16. Vadim Topal Pasha
    Vadim Topal Pasha 30 December 2022 12: 59
    +2
    Well, now you can be calm for skakuas! In the near future they will be busy discussing the next prodigy! :)
  17. Vadim Topal Pasha
    Vadim Topal Pasha 30 December 2022 13: 00
    0
    Quote: AlexGa
    What network will be able to hold the Lancet with its mass and speed?

    No need for your godless hviziki here! You have to BELIEVE here! /neighing/ :)
  18. citizen242
    citizen242 30 December 2022 13: 09
    +6
    Soon the second year of laughing at the enemy (Khokhlyatsky clowns) will go. We all burst our stomachs with laughter.
  19. japan-k
    japan-k 30 December 2022 13: 15
    +4
    Yes, you just need to carefully look at the thickness of the mesh they are unwinding there and at what distance from the object, it’s simply ridiculous. And about speed, try driving a car, at a speed of 100 km / h, throw an object weighing 10-12 kg into the fence from the chain-link
  20. hostel
    hostel 30 December 2022 13: 25
    +1
    Healthy and efficient. We will soon remember about the balloon barrier regiments.
  21. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 30 December 2022 13: 44
    +1
    Ukrainians, by the way, react quickly to new threats.
  22. Fitter65
    Fitter65 30 December 2022 13: 52
    +2
    It is not known who came up with this know-how, but in recent days Ukrainian resources have filled in photos with these very nets stretched over weapons.
    The Germans, at the end of 1943, began to use nets as a means against the Soviet PTAB.
    1. ABC-schutze
      ABC-schutze 30 December 2022 15: 07
      +4
      And it seems to me that, in principle, "this" was invented a long time ago. And not "Germans", but military sailors, in the navy ...
      1. Alexander Fomichev
        Alexander Fomichev 31 December 2022 12: 22
        0
        The Second World War in the Baltic was drawn by the Germans in two places with double nets with a "square" of 2m, in order to avoid maneuvers at the passage of minefields, which was unrealistic for DE submarines. !but there were passages of "Ours" both back and forth. Of course, there were many more "explosions".
  23. Duncan
    Duncan 31 December 2022 04: 30
    +1
    There are nets made of fibers stronger than steel, some kind of CBM polyethylene.
    And this should be managed by remote detonation during a raid on an obstacle, the same tree branches. Hit with an impact core, or tungsten (a drone is already expensive).
  24. Anatoly Proskurin
    Anatoly Proskurin 31 December 2022 07: 53
    +2
    Is this a New Year's joke? Or a prank? He will push the net UNTIL THE GROUND under his own weight AT ALONE!!!...HAS IT REACHED?
    1. Duncan
      Duncan 1 January 2023 13: 50
      +1
      Of course, it will push through, but it can turn around and the cumulative jet will go sideways or the fuse will work prematurely. (But we do not know the details of how effective this is).
    2. ABC-schutze
      ABC-schutze 2 January 2023 14: 06
      +1
      Happy New Year...

      And for information. During the US WTO strikes against Yugoslavia, some Tomahawks "caught" the JNA networks deployed at certain objects (or in certain directions) ...

      And they were successful. In the context of "pushing through" the network, there is an opinion that the mass of the Russian Lancet is somewhat less than the mass of the US Tomahawk ...
  25. chingachguc
    chingachguc 31 December 2022 15: 40
    +2
    In order for such a net to delay the drone, it must be hung 5 meters above the object and the size of a volleyball court. Anti-cumclative gratings would be more effective,
  26. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 31 December 2022 15: 46
    0
    No, well, at least one photo in the article could be shown, or does religion not allow it? We'll have to look on the Internet somewhere to see what our opponents came up with.
  27. tTshka
    tTshka 31 December 2022 20: 29
    0
    Well... that's to be expected, the next move is ours !
  28. the same doctor
    the same doctor 2 January 2023 23: 14
    0
    Morality? Lancets should be used against unprotected warriors, and for vehicles, weapons should be made more powerful. For example, on the same lancets, instead of conventional explosives, use BOV (volumetric explosion ammunition, and not what you thought) or at least bumblebee grenades.