"Armata" will not be. You can disperse

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"Armata" will not be. You can disperse

To date, "Armata" has really become a household name, denoting either long-term construction, or fruitless attempts to do at least something from scratch. Just like "Coalition", "Kurganets", "Petrel" and other "unparalleled" works.

Let's try to answer an elementary question: can the Russian army get at its disposal, say, two hundred? It's two tank regiment, that is, practically a tank division. Shock, because these breakthrough machines can try to have a significant impact on the state of affairs in the NWO.



The whole problem is that serial production of "Armata" is now impossible for many reasons. It so happened that for a tank there is no ... however, it's easier to say that there is.


Engine


Here I will allow myself a small historical excursion. In 1931, within the walls of the Kharkov Locomotive Plant, a galaxy of talented and brilliant Soviet engineers K.F. Chelpan, T.P. Chupakhin, Ya.E. Vikhman, I.Ya. Trashutin created the V-2 tank diesel engine. Yes, the one that became the heart of the T-34, KV-1, KV-2, IS-1.


The V-2 turned out to be so successful that ALL diesel engines of Russian armored vehicles from V-84 (T-72), V-92S2F (T-72B3, T-90) to UTD-20 (BMP-1 and BMP-2) and UTD -29 (BMP-3) are further upgrades of this engine. And you can praise the V-2 for a long time, or vice versa, doubt its capabilities as a modern engine, but the fact is that almost all Russian armored vehicles are moved by this particular engine. Simple, but reliable and mastered to the screw.


V-92S2F

The A-85-3A "Armata" engine has nothing to do with the B-2. It was created by the Transdiesel Design Bureau in the early 90s as a unit for compressor oil and gas pumping stations based on the German X-shaped Simmering SLA 16 engine, also known as the Porsche Tour 212, created as an engine for the Tiger and King Tiger ". True, the ancestor was a 16-cylinder, but this, you see, is not significant.


But for some reason, the A-85-3 or 12N360 did not come to court, and they decided to try it as a power plant for the promising T-95 tank, which, by the way, can be safely called the ancestor of the "Armata", since the layout was the same: a capsule on three people and an almost empty tower.

The engine was named A-85-3.


X-shaped, 12-cylinder, the declared maximum power is about 1800 hp, in normal mode about 1500 hp. Weight 1550 kg, which is 500 kg more than the B-92. Of the minuses - heavy, complex, unreliable.

The engine was repeatedly demonstrated at various exhibitions, but could not interest anyone. And the leadership of Uralvagonzavod decided to solve the issue of this engine in a very peculiar way: to take and develop a new tank for it!

And at full speed, the Armata flew into an engine trap, because the A-85-3, under which the tank was developed, was very different in size from the B-92, and in which case it was not possible to replace the A-85-3 with the old and proven B-92 possible.

By the way, this happened when in 2014 they tried to replace the A-85-3 with Yaroslavl engines. In an experimental form, but did not work out. In addition, the automatic transmission assembly with the engine is also a problem with such a replacement attempt.

As a result, they decided to leave the A-85-3A, with which the tank moves satisfactorily only under the cover of a group of technicians and engineers. As for mass production, not everything is perfect here either. A-85-3A, although not new, but for 30 years its production has not been mastered and debugged due to the lack of demand for the engine.

And this is where you can finish with the engine, because the V-92 looks like a standard of reliability and simplicity against its background. The A-85-3A, although not as old as the B-92, is still almost 15 years of difference in favor of the German prototype, but nevertheless: over the 90 years of the existence of the B-2 and its descendants, the engine has worked out to the fullest. What can not be said about the A-85.

Now, probably, it is clear why UVZ still drives the T-72 / T-80 / T-90 line and is not at all eager to “Stamp“ Armata ”? The enterprise simply does not have such a number of factory teams that will debug engines in the fields. "Raw" engines that were not really produced.

I just don't want to talk about an automatic transmission. There is no data on it, whose hands it was, but the fact that automatic transmissions on Russian cars began to appear after the sale of car factories to foreign firms says a lot. Approximately, like German automatic transmissions on Russian military tractors.

Production capacity is a separate issue. They simply don't exist. There was a program to build a new production line for "Armata", but alas. The money was allocated, and, moreover, rather big money (they say the figure is 64 billion rubles), for which workshops were erected and contracts were concluded ... with Western manufacturers of machine tools. They took the money with great pleasure and did not supply equipment, as they included sanctions. That's all: the plant seems to be there, but there are no machines.

Therefore, all that UVZ can offer is the manual assembly of the T-14 piece by piece in the semi-handicraft conditions of the experimental workshop. And first of all, this is due to the need to drive the T-90M on the assembly line in military conditions, to upgrade the T-90 to the level of the T-90MS, and not to forget about the T-72, which also needs to be upgraded.


And here everything is simple: if in the USSR tanks were made at several factories, now the lion's share of the load lies with UVZ. Omsktransmash is definitely not an assistant here, the plant is engaged in somewhat different tasks.

Electronics


Yes, all these tricky and not entirely clear boxes to which screens are connected are also huge problems with this.


The sanctions are tightening tighter and tighter, we have already forgotten about the French thermal imagers, that with microelectronics, on the basis of which all these boxes are made, no one knows for sure, but since we do not produce anything ourselves, and for a long time, we should not expect here "breakthroughs". For all the "breakthroughs" we have lead to "Ali-express".

One can understand how difficult it is to work in such conditions for domestic manufacturers of equipment such as Shvabe, Cyclone, Kathoda, when the usual supply schemes collapsed. “We don’t need to produce anything, we’ll buy everything” - this policy, which has been going on since the beginning of the XNUMXs, has to be paid for by installing Chinese civilian (and they themselves need the military) microcircuits in military equipment, which simply do not guarantee the proper quality of the devices.

The circular Doppler radar with AFAR, which was the “chip” of the “Afghanit”, infrared HD cameras of the all-round view, ultraviolet photocathode direction finders of missiles, a digital communication station with ESU TZ and other very useful electronics are under a big question mark due to the fact that access to the element base is closed by sanctions.

And if only to microcircuits... But here, even without sanctions, such things are happening in Russia, such as, for example, the disruption of the implementation of the State Defense Order by the Volgograd plant "Red October", a manufacturer, including tank armor. Krasny Oktyabr was already declared bankrupt in 2018, its owner Dmitry Gerasimenko is on the international wanted list for embezzling a loan of $65 million and transferring 6,2 billion rubles abroad. But these dismantlings will not help the plant, the enterprise seems to have begun to work, but you yourself understand how unstable it is - work is under supervision. How many military-oriented factories in our country have not risen from their knees.

And this tank, which is not yet a tank, is being sold to us as a "miracleweapon"Directly in accordance with the training manuals of 1945. Say, now "Armata" will come, will put things in order. They say that "Armata" will issue target designations to other tanks, T-90 and T-72 right on the battlefield! Network-centric principle of warfare.

But the question immediately arises: how will Armata do this? With the help of the most modern walkie-talkie R-123? In voice mode? Well, no question ... The radar will quite allow itself to detect targets, and the radio station will allow the tank commander to issue target designation to other vehicles.

But sorry, there's something wrong here.

In the Russian army, in theory (I myself saw at exhibitions how in parts of the NMD - no information) there is such a machine as the PRP-4A "Argus", designed specifically for monitoring the area.


The Argus is equipped with a fairly decent 1L-120-1 radar, which can detect targets in rain, snow, in smoke screens, determine coordinates and aim artillery at them. A tank can be detected at a distance of up to 16 km, smaller targets at shorter distances, but even a group of infantry in a jeep can be confidently “taken” from 10 km. Enough to point your guns, right?

Everything, the bicycle is invented!

Here we should not forget that if the "Armata" with the help of the radar sees the enemy, then the enemy, which is typical, sees the "Armata". Imported counterparts using radar even came up with modes to reduce the power of the emitter depending on the proximity of the target in order to less unmask the source.

But we decided not to break our heads over this at all, but let it “shine” to its fullest! The fact that the tank will become just an excellent target, for some reason, no one wants to speak out on this topic. And he will. And everything that is possible will begin to fly over this tank, from 125 mm to 7,62 mm.

Such a beautiful “Armata” left, found itself with the help of a radar (of course, there is nothing like that on the other side, everyone is still running around with rifles from Garand), received a carcass of all possible calibers (the nastiest ones are 12,7-mm and 30 mm) and ... And that's it, she fought back! Because the crew will turn into three blind and deaf people, since all this electronic attachment will be taken down from the tower. Cameras, sensors, and everything else will stop working, and without them, the Armata is nothing more than an armored chest on tracks.






How long do you think all this splendor will last under fire? What will be left after "straightening" with automatic guns of the BMP? Machine guns? Yes, "Afghanit" shells can easily be sent to hell, the system, as our tankers say, is quite, but a smaller and no less malicious one is a question.

And here the main doubts are not that all this electronic wealth can be normally APPLY, but in the fact that later it will be possible ZAMENIT! Today, excuse me, electronic components are being removed from damaged T-72s and sent to factories, because the shortage is huge, but what about new ones?

By the way, everything is new there: engine, gearbox, electronics, rollers, transmission ... And where would you order to take it?

What is good about the T-72 and T-90, that a lot suits them.

But in our case, it was necessary to perform an act that was essentially similar to the industrialization of Stalin in the 30s: to modernize and partially re-profile about 200 enterprises that would supply components for the Armata. And yes, build an assembly shop with a conveyor. Then it would be possible to say that the tank would go into production.

And so, unfortunately, the T-14 will remain something similar to Lobaev rifles: modern, beautiful, efficient (maybe in the case of a tank), but individually and manually.

And who prevented the same rollers from Soviet tanks from leaving ...

The question arises: is it possible to solve some of the problems by simplification?


Easy. It is possible (albeit with a lot of effort) to organize the replacement of the A-85-3A with the V-92S2F, which is somewhat larger due to its layout and one and a half times weaker, naturally, the gearbox will go from the same T-90. Yes, such a tank will not run briskly, but it can be slightly lightened. Due to the fact that we do not install electronics that we cannot produce ourselves, and therefore we bought (although evil tongues in the West yell that Russian front companies bought almost 500 sets of French matrices for thermal imagers) wherever possible. But probably you should not count on this further, because it is still impossible everywhere.

What will happen in this "military version" of the T-14, you know? Yes, almost the same T-90, only slower. But it's already being released.


Therefore, watching this victory dispersed by the state media, you understand that, of course, a certain number of T-14s will definitely be sent to the front line or next to it. And in order to check in real combat conditions how truly a “miracle weapon” is, and in order to shoot the proper amount of ugly videos for the electorate. In principle, combat-ready "Armat" for a "special shock" tank company will most likely be scraped together. The main thing is to wait for a convenient moment for front-line tests, that is, offensive actions.

Why? Yes, everything is simple: so that the enemy does not get precious samples. When the army advances, all these “analogues” can easily trudge in the third echelon, shining with radars (a little, HARM will not joke), firing from cannons. More than enough for a beautiful picture. And even if something suddenly goes wrong, and another unplanned regrouping begins, the tanks can be safely removed to the rear. What is not always possible to do during defensive-retreat actions.

However, everyone already has an idea of ​​how this happens, thanks to the personnel of the "Russian Lend-Lease" in the Kharkov region.

Therefore, I would not want the "Armata" to be in the hands of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

And this is the alignment obtained with all that T-14 "Armata" is a very, very interesting and meaningful project with a huge future, because it is not just a new generation tank, it is a PLATFORM on which you can create new vehicles for any task. Including under network-centric wars, to which we will someday come.

But for this it was necessary to invest money in the industry. Re-profiling those same 200 factories that would produce components and spare parts for hundreds of Armats. Give the engine engineers the opportunity and time to bring this unfortunate A-85 to mind (they say they can, but a series and time are needed). What prevented this from being done - we are unlikely to know, but the fact remains that the T-14 will remain a prototype toy with no chance of mass production.

In fact, it would be very interesting to know how much the T-14 can even fight. But I doubt that this tank will actually go to the front line. It's too expensive - prototype testing in real combat. Both financially and reputationally. Although who would talk today about reputation ...
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  1. -81
    30 December 2022 03: 48
    The time will come - you will have "Armata". Why write so much?
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      1. +122
        30 December 2022 06: 03
        Does it really cut the uterus? Look at the "military acceptance" - they cover practical truthful things there.
        The article focuses on the problem of the weakness of the Russian military-industrial complex, killed by years of "reforms" and the rule of "effective managers", and not on the fact that the Armata tank is crap. If you disagree, comment with reason.
        1. +48
          30 December 2022 06: 29
          Sergei:
          If you disagree, comment with reason.

          —-The novel described naked electronics and optics. Her survivability in combat is close to zero. It's like decorating a tank with Christmas decorations. All these turrets should be drownable, like a periscope.
          1. -25
            30 December 2022 09: 12
            All these turrets should be drownable, like a periscope.

            The electorate will not understand sh)))
            1. +4
              30 December 2022 10: 31
              Quote: Alexey Dashkin
              All these turrets should be drownable, like a periscope.

              The electorate will not understand sh)))

              The electorate on TV will not know about it.
          2. +45
            30 December 2022 10: 12
            -Roman described naked electronics and optics. Her survivability in combat is close to zero.

            On any tank, the survivability of electronics and optics is zero. Remember how they adopted infantry fighting vehicles with a 30 mm cannon. After shelling the tank with 30 mm shells, all attachments failed, the tank became incapacitated.
            In this regard, Armata is no different from other tanks.
            There is no miracle weapon, it is necessary to build a system in which new equipment and appropriate tactics are built in.
            We still have a military system from the time of the Second World War interspersed with equipment from the beginning of the 21st century. Under such conditions, armored Martian beam-throwers will not help either.
            1. +12
              30 December 2022 11: 10
              Remember how they adopted infantry fighting vehicles with a 30 mm cannon. After shelling the tank with 30 mm shells, all attachments failed, the tank became incapacitated.

              And if there were some T-34 in the place of a modern tank, then the crew from the inside would change the optics and go further to fight. The structure allowed
              In general, the NWO is the first war with so many modern types of weapons, so tanks fire from closed positions, and attack helicopters from pitch-up.
            2. +10
              30 December 2022 17: 04
              Quote: glory1974
              On any tank, the survivability of electronics and optics is zero.

              IMHO, the problem is far-fetched.
              First you need to get on the optics. Look at the footage from the exercises, or for example from the Army forum, the accuracy of firing 30mm automatic guns (at least our 2A42 / 2A72) is simply not good, from several bursts it’s good if a couple of shells hit a multi-meter target. And it is necessary strictly to the tower. Moreover, even a close rupture of the projectile does not guarantee defeat, because there are very few fragments in a 30mm projectile.
              And now compare with the accuracy of a tank gun, which is approximately equal to a sniper rifle, and at a distance of 2-3 km. And one hit is enough, in the silhouette.
              30mm farts, in a duel at a distance of 1-3 km, simply have no chance.
              1. +1
                30 December 2022 18: 37
                Passing
                And who, with 30mm, or even more so, 12,7, will go to the tank in a head-on duel? They will disguise the same BMPshku in an ambush, and will wait until the tank approaches. Then they will save him from electronics. It is possible, in general, to make a small-sized, light and very mobile tank destroyer, which will exclusively rid the tanks of external body kit and optics, after which they will no longer be able to fight. And if you fire, for example, from "Shilka", a tank at close range, then it's not enough that the tank "undresses", so the crew will also die! Despite the fact that the armor will remain unpierced! The tankers themselves told me about this!
                1. +6
                  30 December 2022 22: 42
                  If everything works for Almaty, as stated, then it won’t be possible to sneak up unnoticed this time (radar and thermal imagers), but rely solely on an ambush, will you win so much? The ambush can work if the unit with Armata will roll Vanka on the offensive.
                  I have not yet seen a single video from the NWO zone where someone is trying to fight against such a machine gun! laughing when they appear, all ears are pressed and waiting for the ATGM or something suitable to deal with the tank soldier so the problem is more contrived.
                  But the engine is serious! Why was it impossible to go in two ways: maximum novelty in everything (as it is now) and partial, creating a new system in those places where the concept itself requires (capsule, uninhabited tower) but using working systems (engine and chassis)? recourse
                  I think it’s too early to store Armata, but the delay in the mass production of cars will definitely be with such problems, and it may be necessary to redesign the car in some way or they will strain with the plant and repair teams. Those. with enough effort, everything will work out bully
                  1. +13
                    31 December 2022 03: 20
                    Quote: Eroma
                    I can’t bury Armata early, but there will definitely be a delay in the mass production of cars

                    I think in the coming years it is necessary to forget about "Armata", because the organization of its mass production is impossible, import substitution of components is not expected, and the design itself and key systems are crude and unreliable. This is a prototype. And a PR product.
                    In light of the current SVO and the upcoming very likely new conflicts, only the T-90M, the modernization of the T-72B to B3M, and the T-80 to the level of T-80BVM will be relevant. moreover, at all production facilities available and possible for mobilization and in maximum quantities. This is a task and a plan for the next 5-10 years.
                    But such a thing as "Coalition-SV" must be brought to standard and mass production as soon as possible. Moreover, both on a caterpillar track (T-90 chassis) and on a wheelbase (in a configuration a la the Czech "Dana"). For we have NO other cannon artillery of competitive range.
                    And the enemy - IS.
                    And the Germans, and the French, and the Americans will soon have, the Poles, South Koreans, and even ... request Yes Yes feel Ukrainians. Moreover, the latter have their own, so long ridiculed "Bogdan" ... with a long barrel like that of the "Coalition" ... and the range of the "Caesar".
                    They just DO IT there.
                    And not only experiments, tests and parades, but also mass production and development in the troops.
                    And in our case, upgrading "Msta-S" to "SM" will not solve the problem - the range is still insufficient for a successful counter-battery fight. Therefore, the "Coalition" must be released not even in two, but in three guises:
                    1) On a tracked chassis with a well-known turret installation.
                    2) On a wheeled chassis with a well-known tower installation.
                    3) On a wheeled chassis without a turret, in a configuration a la the French "Caesar".
                    And all this is not to the detriment of the return from the DH self-propelled guns "Msta-S" (with modernization to "SM"), self-propelled guns "Pion" (with modernization to self-propelled guns "Malka"), and even self-propelled guns "Acacia" for general backup dancers and even with possible ... modernization of some of them into ... "Assault gun" - with increased overall armor and the possibility of direct fire during the assaults of cities (since we did not have tanks with a 152 mm gun).
                    And we also need TBMP and TBTR with the level of tank armor. Not sophisticated T-15 "Armata", but simply overcooked tank hulls - back to front, when the stern becomes a forehead, and a convenient ramp appears in the new stern. With dynamic protection on the armor, capable of moving as part of advancing tanks. It is most reasonable to make such ones on the basis of the hulls of "unnecessary" T-64 tanks, of which there are many at the bases, but they are not going to return them to service from the word at all. Such work can be entrusted to one (or two) repair plants, so as not to load the main production facilities with non-core orders. Take the engine for them from those removed from the T-72, which are full in warehouses. The power of 780 \ 860 l / s for these TBTRs and TBMPs is quite enough, because without a turret and guns, even with extended sides, their weight will be about 35 tons (it can be up to 37 tons in full body kit). Yes, and the suspension of the T-64 will be much easier and more fun with such a weight, because it was created for a tank weighing 34 tons with a margin of up to +4\5 tons.
                    Moreover, the idea of ​​​​TBMP can be completely abandoned, concentrating only on TBTR (with a combat module from the BTR-82A), because BMPT (ShMPP) "Terminator" can act as a TBMP (without landing). These "sweet couples" and act together. With tank support, of course.
                    And all this must be done immediately.
                    1. +2
                      1 January 2023 02: 39
                      Quote: bayard
                      just overcooked tank hulls - back to front, when the stern becomes a forehead, and a convenient ramp appears in the new stern. With

                      I once read that starting a car backwards is not a promising thing, because the chassis is not designed for constant loads for moving backwards! Hodovka needs to be redone so that the reliability is
                      With Armata, it is still clear that nothing is clear! By the way, as if with the Coalition, some kind of nuance did not surface like: Swedish steel is needed for the barrel lol because, too, it won’t get on the conveyor, although the need is already burning! am
                      1. 0
                        1 January 2023 16: 31
                        Quote: Eroma
                        I once read that starting a car backwards is not a promising thing, because the chassis is not designed for constant loads for moving backwards! Hodovka needs to be redone so that the reliability is

                        Of course, the chassis will have to be redone, but in the case of torsion bars, it's not so difficult. And the welders will have to work. But similar work was already done at the Kharkov tractor back in the 90s, exactly from the T-55 and T-64 hulls. And it worked out very, very well. Especially if you don’t bother with the TBMP, but do exactly the TBTR - a heavily armored infantry transporter, with a BTR-82A combat module (or its equivalent with a 30 mm gun) and a large troop compartment for 15 - 17 troops. You can also hang dynamic protection on this one, and attack in the same order with tanks. This and the BC line of clashes will be brought up, and the wounded will be evacuated. And we need to do this right now.
                        Quote: Eroma
                        as if with the Coalition, some nuance did not surface like: steel for the barrel is needed Swedish, because it’s also not like it’s on the conveyor, it’s not how it gets

                        Here I think the reason is somewhat different - the capacities at which mass production could be organized were used to repair and upgrade the Msta-S self-propelled guns to SM. And in the face of the threat of the beginning (and even more so during this) conflict in Ukraine, such a decision was quite justified ... After all, Ukraine did not have NATO artillery until the summer of 2022 and our advantage in artillery was overwhelming. So with the "Coalition" most likely ... it is the production facilities, because our repair plants "optimized" effective "friends and associates", and now the main facilities are occupied with modernization. I hope that in the new year repair capacities will improve and the "Coalition" will be launched into the series.
                  2. -1
                    31 December 2022 13: 26
                    And who told you that there are some problems with the engine and chassis? The engine is 4 liters smaller than the heirs of the B-2. This means that it consumes less fuel, but what power does it give out at the same time!
                  3. -1
                    30 January 2023 22: 16
                    [quote = Eroma] I think it’s too early to store Armata, but the delay in the mass production of cars will definitely be with such problems, and it may be necessary to redesign [/ quote]

                    What do the Defense Ministry and the General Staff think?
                2. -3
                  31 December 2022 11: 11
                  Shilka's crew will definitely die good
                  Well, he will rip something off the T-14, what's the point?
              2. +5
                31 December 2022 13: 22
                sorry, my friend, but you are carrying game! The 30mm cannon with BMP2 is very, very accurate with proper maintenance at a minimum distance of 1 km. they try to shoot less even with ak people in the subject and no one suits BMP duels with tanks. Is it a chance meeting.
                I advise you to talk with anti-tankers on octopuses and MT12 (generally junk, but very accurate and massively used by both sides in tons of their own). They will unanimously tell you what a powerful dynamic blow the tank simply receives even without breaking through and how often the zip blows clean and everything else from the tank is mounted (tankers can also tell about the "charms" when they get into the car). Just like the tank equipment (especially the dynamic protection boxes) often blows away during urban combat WITHOUT any shelling. The same French and then completely problems with the release of electronics obt Leclerc did not decide. And he is stuffed with her be healthy!
              3. 0
                2 January 2023 10: 31
                Quote: Passing by
                And now compare with the accuracy of a tank gun, which is approximately equal to a sniper rifle, and at a distance of 2-3 km. And one hit is enough, in the silhouette.
                30mm farts, in a duel at a distance of 1-3 km, simply have no chance.

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                Quote: glory1974
                There is no miracle weapon, it is necessary to build a system in which new equipment and appropriate tactics are built in.
                good
            3. +7
              30 December 2022 17: 13
              Quote: glory1974
              After shelling the tank with 30 mm shells, all attachments failed, the tank became incapacitated.

              It is not always so. It is possible to disable the PNK, but the gunner's backup optical channel is difficult to knock out, it is usually recessed in the armor of the turret and with its help the tank will respond to the BMP. The problem of Almaty is the complete absence of a direct optical channel (a movable periscope 2,5m long has not yet been invented), all hope for cameras, and since the armor of the tower is bulletproof from the force, a burst of 12,7-30mm can completely kill all devices, cables, cameras. Although modern branded 3rd generation optoelectronic devices have a high degree of reliability and many modern tanks are very thoughtfully installed, recessed into the armor, armor plates and bulletproof glass, with automatic replacement, which makes it very difficult to try to blind the tank. By the way, if you look at the lineup of Leo2A6 and above and compare it with Armata, T-90 or Oplot, then there is a noticeable difference in the size of the PNK, on ​​the Russian and Ukrainian tanks there are 3 times more buckets, which are much easier for a sniper to damage than the German Peri 17. multiplicity Peri 17 = 24x, and Sosna-U- 12x, Ukrainian is also huge, but I don’t know the multiplicity. The layout of the PNK T-90 and Payment is clear to me, since it was a modernization and, of course, since these PNKs cannot be hidden in the Leo2 tower, but why this steamship pipe of such dimensions sticks out at the Armata. Why is she not drowned among armored walls? After all, in this form, together with the DBM, will a sniper shoot her from a maximum distance?
            4. 0
              30 December 2022 19: 34
              After all, a tank can answer with an OFS or even with a crowbar (to fly faster). I do not envy this brave infantry fighting vehicle.
              1. 0
                30 December 2022 21: 05
                He can not only answer, he can also see her hiding, and far from point-blank, but at long distances. But it doesn't matter, the main thing is to prove that everything is bad.
            5. avg
              +11
              30 December 2022 21: 48
              Quote: glory1974
              Remember how they adopted infantry fighting vehicles with a 30 mm cannon. After shelling the tank with 30 mm shells, all attachments failed, the tank became incapacitated.

              I remembered, but I really took part in the comparative tests of the "thirty", and I never remember that after the shelling the tank became incapable of combat, and the "attachment" is somewhat different than what Skoromokhov was going to hit from 12.7 and 30 mm caliber . By the way, this is approximately the same as shooting at a tank with a Garand rifle. And Armata has a radar just for that, so that armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles and tanks can be detected and destroyed long before they reach a suitable range for firing. And there will be no Armata, like that Israeli soldier, to fight alone against everyone.
            6. +3
              30 December 2022 22: 44
              On any tank, the survivability of electronics and optics is zero.

              Not everyone dares to shoot from an infantry fighting vehicle at an advancing company of tanks, because this is suicide.
            7. -3
              2 January 2023 07: 41
              That's right, in this case, Armata is no different from Abrams, Leopards, Merkav and other Leclercs, they have exactly the same problems with attachments in combat conditions.
              1. +5
                2 January 2023 08: 38
                Armata is no different from Abrams, Leopards, Merkav and other Leclercs, they have exactly the same problems with attachments in combat conditions.

                That's the thing, what's different. Firstly, for all the tanks listed, only the head parts of the instruments are not covered with serious armor. At Armata, the devices are completely outside and covered with an anti-fragmentation casing. Secondly, the head parts of the devices of these tanks are smaller in size. Read the article if interested
                https://www.photonics.su/journal/article/4991
            8. 0
              5 February 2023 23: 17
              Who do you have it? In Russia, everything is fine as in the West. Nothing is different. So you and SVO shows how 300 thousand fuck 1 million Natsiks and 200 thousand mercenaries. And the West helps them all. So don't be a whiner.
          3. +5
            30 December 2022 20: 19
            The Americans recently rolled out the new Abrams for review. Compare. And how does Armata differ from this Abrams in terms of body kit ?. They praised the javelins, criticized our ATGMs, that the operator would be immediately spotted when firing at the tank and destroyed. It’s only from the fighting that it’s clear that as long as they detect, turn the tower for a shot, the rocket will already hit them.
            In general, snot screams and tomorrow we will all die from this, we are not a friend
            Skomorokhov. It's just interesting, in general, in his life he developed something in order to criticize others. And what will happen and how will he react if Armatya is accepted for production in a large series tomorrow. Probably keep silent in a rag. By the way, whoever saw the Armata of a small series now at the training ground noticed that the appearance was slightly changed in body kits. So they bring it to mind. Somewhere, he obviously took part all the same. By the way, they took up the engines for this tank closely. There was also a note about this.
            By the way, there were articles about the uselessness of the Terminator. The equipment is fighting with a bang. I think that here, with their articles, the one who wrote them is not needed. Didn't our comrade Skomorokhov sprinkle them? So fights and time put everything in its place.
            1. +4
              30 December 2022 22: 05
              While we see the T-62. And even if, by some miracle, Armata is brought to readiness for mass production, it is not a fact that we will see this large series. The MoD even in better times preferred to rivet the T-72B3 instead of new tanks.
              1. +7
                30 December 2022 22: 31
                Here we need a balance of mass weapons and simpler and cheaper with more modern weapons, but expensive and complex.
                You can’t win the war with one miracle plane that sees everything and doesn’t get shot down, but as it turned out, the mass character of conventional weapons brings much more benefits.
                That's why they make it to the troops, that it can be delivered faster and cheaper in the shortest possible time, because time is one of the factors in a war.
                As you correctly noted, even the T-62 came in handy and the old towed guns with mortars and even ammunition. And our enemy doesn’t disdain anything at all and locomotives are already rolling (probably an armored train will be put up soon) and Maxim machine guns and foreign junk from the Second World War are like a super weapon with lace panties to them.
              2. 0
                5 February 2023 23: 20
                It's you! You see it in the pot. There are 62 units, and for them there is a separate role. And not your idiotic vysir here.
            2. +2
              30 December 2022 23: 19
              Hush, hush, are you minus people who love fairy tales about everything is gone chief ...
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            4. -8
              31 December 2022 13: 34
              Battalion on armats in the NWO zone! They were filmed by Solovyov's film crew, the footage has long been on the Internet. The car is already at war and is undergoing real battle tests. What else can be said here? But it was still run in Syria.
              1. +1
                31 December 2022 19: 09
                Already a whole battalion?)))) It seems to me that you overestimated by an order of magnitude. And not a word in the program of the seizure windbag was not about the fact that they are fighting! Somewhere there is a convergence. Obviously far from the LBS .... And certainly not a battalion! On the other hand, the foam from the orar flew throughout the program - yes, we, but how we will hit it now, but it has no analogues!))))))) You are listening to the wrong people!)))
                1. -3
                  2 January 2023 07: 45
                  An epileptic windbag is you and people like you, before something is written, you need to at least fully understand the essence of the issue.
            5. -1
              4 January 2023 11: 38
              He is a real graphomaniac, I already recognize these sketches from the first lines.
          4. 0
            31 December 2022 00: 47
            I would do something remote with drones for observation / target designation, moreover, maybe. even "tethered", with a power/data cable, or maybe. long masts with optical stations (yes, there are still masts, but here I mean something much higher, beyond the cloak cloud). The bottom line is that in case of detection of danger, the tank can be surrounded by an IR / visible / RF curtain, but at the same time it will go blind. And here a remote optical / radar remote platform may well help, which, with appropriate binding, will even give target designations. It will obviously be much more difficult to damage the platform itself than the carrier itself. Naturally, there are restrictions on its use, but for example, a tank in an open field will be much harder to hit if it is in a camouflage cloud.
          5. -1
            31 December 2022 08: 45
            Quote: Mikhail Drabkin
            The novel described naked electronics and optics. Her survivability in combat is close to zero. It's like decorating a tank with Christmas decorations

            Ever since the Armata rolled out onto Red Square, I expressed doubt that the tank would be combat-ready if an armored personnel carrier with a 30-mm armored personnel carrier suddenly rolled out on it. cannon and blow everything to hell with one good burst.
            1. -1
              2 January 2023 22: 24
              Cool!!! And why haven't you headed their design bureau yet? Or are you already in charge?
          6. 0
            31 December 2022 16: 26
            Quote: Michael Drabkin
            Sergei:
            If you disagree, comment with reason.

            —-The novel described naked electronics and optics. Her survivability in combat is close to zero. It's like decorating a tank with Christmas decorations. All these turrets should be drownable, like a periscope.

            Actually, with drowned turrets, and even in battle, the tank will be deaf and blind
          7. 0
            2 January 2023 17: 39
            Quote: Michael Drabkin
            Sergei:
            If you disagree, comment with reason.
            turrets should be drownable, like a periscope.
            should be duplicated. Least. Periscope... mechanism, loss of vision, complications, cost of space...
          8. 0
            2 January 2023 18: 42
            Agree! Doesn't it remind you of anything? Tsushima, however. When the yupps couldn’t really break through the armor of the Russian armadillos, they demolished the entire body kit with a shimosa and started fires. The result is known...
          9. 0
            4 January 2023 01: 05
            I am not a specialist in tanks, but, indeed, the first question I had about Armata was what the crew would do after a burst from a heavy machine gun. It is not a fact that he will even be able to take the tank out of the battle.
        2. +39
          30 December 2022 06: 33
          Quote: Sergey028
          The article focuses on the problem of the weakness of the Russian military-industrial complex, killed by years of "reforms" and the rule of "effective managers", and not on the fact that the Armata tank is crap.

          The article focuses on engine reliability issues, component missing issues, engine room layout issues, and field maintenance issues. No one knows how the hitch behaves when firing with small calibers and what can be replaced, where to get spare parts. In general, he explains why it is not necessary to wait for her in the NWO.
          Argued? I just summarized the essence of the article, without reference to the military acceptances.
          1. +34
            30 December 2022 07: 24
            Re-profiling those same 200 factories that would produce components and spare parts for hundreds of Armats.

            200 feeders, 200 privatized family businesses. We have 2 people who cannot agree, and you want 200 people to be able to make a decision in someone else's favor.
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            1. +2
              30 December 2022 15: 20
              So why the hell do we need tanks in general, if the tank is destroyed in 10 minutes of battle, the crew will die. How much money and time does it take to educate people?
              We fight right away without tanks, and we will spend the saved money more efficiently.
              1. DO
                -1
                30 December 2022 16: 59
                Templ, "we fight without tanks" - this, as they say, "throw the child out of the bath along with the water."
                Probably, it would be more productive to upgrade existing tanks into "drones" controlled by operators from outside via communication channels.
                1. +5
                  30 December 2022 19: 04
                  Quote: DO
                  Probably, it would be more productive to upgrade existing tanks into "drones" controlled by operators from outside via communication channels.

                  And then the Rebovtsy will come and we are already without unmanned tanks ... And together with the Rebovtsy guys with missiles will come and let something in the direction of the operators that can fly at the radiation source ...
                  And, God forbid, such an unmanned tank will drive into a hole behind a hill - we are tormented to get it out of there ...
                  Probably for all these reasons, no one is still making unmanned tanks ...
                  1. Alf
                    +7
                    30 December 2022 19: 34
                    Quote: Momotomba
                    And then the Rebovites will come and we are already without unmanned tanks ...

                    It will be good if "without". What if they go in the opposite direction?
                    1. 0
                      3 January 2023 10: 57
                      Quote: Alf
                      It will be good if "without". What if they go in the opposite direction?

                      Formally, we are also without them in this case)
                  2. DO
                    +2
                    30 December 2022 21: 42
                    still no one makes unmanned tanks

                    Well, why not. Here, for example, is a message about the development of a combat controlled robot based on an infantry fighting vehicle
                    https://iz.ru/1378619/2022-08-12/v-rossii-sozdali-boevogo-robota-dlia-deistvii-na-samykh-opasnykh-napravleniiakh
                    There were reports about other similar Russian developments, they also wrote about their testing in Syria. Another thing is that, like Armata, they are not mass-produced, about their use in the NWO is not heard.
                    And then the Rebovtsy will come and we are already without unmanned tanks ... And together with the Rebovtsy guys with missiles will come and let something in the direction of the operators that can fly at the radiation source ...

                    Firstly, the tank is not an UAV, and at short distances it is possible to organize a communication channel through an optical fiber reinforced with kelavr fibers. In appearance, it looks like a fishing line, it is wound up to 2 kilometers on a standard reel. It is clear that for such a connection, special fiber tensioners are required on the tank, as well as multiple redundancy of fibers emanating from different points - in case of a break; plus redundancy of optical fibers via a radio and / or laser (via UAV) channel automatically switched on in case of loss of communication.
                    Secondly, the arguments you have given do not confuse anyone in the world, because today all the armies of the world are armed with radio-controlled UAVs.
                    And, God forbid, such an unmanned tank will drive into a hole behind a hill - we are tormented to get it out of there ...

                    So the driver on the tank can also get stuck somewhere.
                    If a robot gets stuck on the battlefield, the only problem will be with this piece of iron.
                    If the crew gets into such a mess, it’s not a fact that he will be able to get out of the tank and return to his own without loss.
                    1. 0
                      2 January 2023 09: 05
                      If you saw this optical fiber with your own eyes and held the same drop cable in your hands, you would not have this idea with a reel like a fishing line.
                    2. 0
                      3 January 2023 11: 06
                      Why is everyone so obsessed with optics? Why don't you like copper?
                      And the use of a tank tied with a cable at a distance of only 2 km is somewhat ridiculous ... provided that the enemy uses weapons, it becomes simply unrealistic.
                      Quote: DO
                      If a robot gets stuck on the battlefield, the only problem will be with this piece of iron.
                      If the crew gets into such a mess, it’s not a fact that he will be able to get out of the tank and return to his own without loss.

                      The fact of the matter is that the piece of iron will not get stuck, but will stand out of the blue ... Serviceable, with all the secret secrets and cunning tricks ...
              2. +9
                30 December 2022 17: 14
                In general, real boys understood this a long time ago and instead of tanks, they invested money in yachts and villas! laughing real estate is clearly more useful wink
            2. +8
              30 December 2022 15: 36
              Either the United States takes care of its tanks so much ... Yes, and the EU is in no hurry to transfer this armored trash to the front ... And the Chinese are doing something ... Suddenly, all these countries also want to develop new ones. Is it different?
          3. +6
            30 December 2022 12: 06
            I forgot to put the military acceptance in quotation marks. And the problem of the lack of high-tech components, doesn’t it come from the weakness of the castrated military-industrial complex?
            1. +3
              31 December 2022 11: 04
              Quote: Sergey028
              And the problem of the lack of high-tech components, doesn’t it come from the weakness of the castrated military-industrial complex?

              For phrases like “Why produce, we have money, we’ll buy what we need”, “The country cannot do everything on its own, we need to integrate into the world economy and then we will be given technology if we behave well” we need to hit the lips very hard, at least, and organize hard labor for such "integrators".
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            1. 0
              30 December 2022 12: 45
              Didn't expect this from you! There is a reasonable grain in such an opinion. I will keep it in mind.
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          6. 0
            2 January 2023 17: 51
            Reliability is achieved by a rise in price, and how much more expensive should it be that a maximum maximum month is on the battlefield.
        3. +4
          30 December 2022 09: 08
          Again, these bastards are "effective managers", but who has been appointing them for 20+ years? You apparently did not understand what time is now, the country does not raise Elon Masks and other geniuses capable of creating something, and piece samples are enough to demonstrate greatness.
        4. -10
          30 December 2022 09: 53
          The article focuses on the problem of the weakness of the Russian military-industrial complex, killed by years of "reforms" and the rule of "effective managers"

          Indeed, in such a dead one that today we have a technological (!!) advantage in some places over the amers, where the USSR always caught up in technology, took in quantity.
          Let me digress (analogy): in motor building - we all remember the history of the development of measuring instruments in mechanics. Measuring tools, in fact, created the industrial revolution - without them, it would essentially not be possible. Measuring tools have drastically reduced product development time and especially production time.
          Today (to draw an analogy)
          then the analogue of measuring instruments in the design will be CAD (Project Automation System). And just like in mechanics (at the beginning of the 20th century) we needed straightedges, straightening prisms, depth gauges, dial gauges, calipers, micrometers, inside gauges, goniometers, radius and threaded templates
          , calipers, calipers and other tools (each for their own business), also now we need CAD, both a wide profile and highly specialized ones.
          Just like at the beginning of the 20th century, you could only create a handicraft motor without measuring tools (there was no question of any industrial production), so it is now - without various CAD systems, the development of motors stretches for decades, like ours, I will give an example how is their CAD going (opinion of a BMW engine engineer), link
          https://drive2-ru.turbopages.org/drive2.ru/s/b/484033606923059462/
          .
          That is, in fact, we are trying to build an industry without measuring instruments, and then we wonder why nothing works - that is, we put the cart before the horse.
          And all why? Let's remember the definition (understanding) of a qualified specialist - this is a person who knows the theory and practice of his business to perfection.
          When there is no knowledge of theory (only practice) - that's when they begin to put the cart before the horse, like in our government.

          Today in Russia there is no comprehensive plan for the development of industry (of the GOELRO level), and all hope is for the market - which will destroy everything on its own (yeah, SCHAZ, we have already seen this for 30 years), especially with such strong external opposition. Look at how the US is going to restore its semiconductor industry - they are going to swell more than $ 150 billion of state (!!!) money there, and do not expect the market to ruin everything on its own.
          We need a comprehensive plan for the development of state industry (it was needed 20 years ago) at the GOELRO level, otherwise we will be crushed.
          1. -3
            30 December 2022 16: 10
            Quote: lucul
            all hope is for the market - which will destroy everything on its own (yeah SCHAZ, we have already seen this for 30 years)

            The market works great if you know how to manage it properly.
            And the fact that we do not know how to manage does not mean that the market is bad and does not know how to work.
            How much has the US invested in Intel and AMD? We have a lot of private industries, including new ones that meet the needs of society and the state.
            The problem is not that the US is pumping $150 billion and we are not. And that is why we do not have a GOELRO level plan. And for it to appear, you need an effective and flexible state administration.
            And if this is not the case, what difference does it make if we have a market economy or not?
          2. +7
            30 December 2022 18: 12
            I will support! Recently I talked with a guy of 25 years old, education - something like a computer typing in the printing industry, naturally unemployed. I talk to him about craftsmen with the qualification of a toolmaker, I see a smirk and disdain appear on his face. It turned out that under these terms he imagined plumbers from housing and communal services. In production, there is simply no one to bring the adjustment and tuning of a complex product (such as a new tank engine), which in theory and according to the project is really an advanced development.
            1. +11
              30 December 2022 20: 33
              Quote: Scharnhorst
              .I tell him about masters with the qualification of a toolmaker, I see a smirk and disdain appear on his face. It turned out that under these terms he imagined plumbers from housing and communal services. .
              And when the pipe breaks - everyone calls plumbers...
              All professions are needed, all professions are important - except for "effective managers"
              fellow
          3. 0
            30 December 2022 23: 02
            You wrote a lot here correct and supercritical, and specifically not a single proposal even how to launch this GOELRO.
            As for CAD in design development, there is no problem here and there wasn’t much before, because until there were our domestic ones (3D Compass or T-Flex for example), there were foreign Solid systems, both purchased and corny pirated, and everyone sat on them and continue to sit. Another thing is that already elderly, but experienced uncles are not so easy to teach on such complicated systems for them, and even with the use of 3D graphics (it’s good that at least 2D has been mastered, but the last century is already). At the moment, there are already a lot of programs for design, but there are not such a large number of specialists experienced in their field, because the priority is the specialty of a manager, consultant, advertiser, and so on. Production is not a priority, and this is exactly what should be raised to the fore in the country with the opening of vocational schools and technical schools to train young boys and girls for new industries.
            And your picture with a laptop and the military is out of place, because on such a small monitor with good resolution, small letters are difficult for the elderly to read, so they used a military trick - a magnifying glass, so this is not a curiosity, but just an age problem.
            1. +2
              31 December 2022 12: 22
              small letters are difficult for the elderly

              Well, yes, but does venerable age also prevent you from using the built-in scaling tools or lack of brains?
              1. 0
                31 December 2022 18: 54
                Quote: Garris199
                and use the built-in scaling tools

                Do you think others are using it? A lot of people don't even know this when they're younger.
                1. 0
                  31 December 2022 23: 50
                  And this is an indication of what? Those in uniform must be able to, otherwise what can they create advanced? New loupe?
              2. +1
                2 January 2023 09: 31

                Well, yes, but does venerable age also prevent you from using the built-in scaling tools or lack of brains?

                Are you sure that they are? Here on RED OS 7.3 there is no Magnifier application, I don’t know about Astra, it’s not at hand. Warriors do not seem to be supposed to have Windows.
          4. 0
            2 January 2023 18: 07
            Semiconductor industry.... America? ... Taiwan is moving to 2 nm.
          5. +1
            13 February 2023 02: 08
            Russian CAD exists, such programs as Renga, Nanocad. In fact, the entire line of Autodesk was replaced, yes, maybe these programs are inferior in terms of user convenience today, but over time everything will be on the level. I don't know about mechanical engineering, etc., but in the construction industry these programs work quite successfully, not without difficulties, but they work.
            1. +1
              13 February 2023 02: 15
              The use of CAD has greatly accelerated; design, coordination, etc. If we omit the details before the mass implementation of revit, the project from start to finish took 3-4 months with all the approvals, and now 1-1,5 months. Kuhlman did not find, but I suppose that it was all much longer. One of the reasons for the development of the construction industry is the massive introduction of CAD and, most importantly, revit over the past 5-6 years, previously only large construction companies and foreign contractors could afford these programs. All this had a positive impact on the industry as a whole.
        5. +1
          30 December 2022 11: 16
          If you disagree, comment with reason.

          To argue that - an unreasoned article?
          no one really knows, but since we do not produce anything ourselves, and, moreover, for a long time, we should not expect “breakthroughs” here. For all the "breakthroughs" with us lead to Ali-express.
        6. 0
          30 December 2022 11: 16
          Do you think that in such a global economy, at least one country in the world will be able to do something similar in such isolation as Russia? Yes, of course, it was necessary to translate into your own earlier. But here, as we see, until it is forbidden to itch, no one will start.
        7. -23
          30 December 2022 11: 20
          What is the truth? In Russia, everything is normal in this, not no liberda. And in the military acceptance they just say that everything is fine, both in terms of production and in terms of technology, but all countries have problems. So take a pill and calm down.
        8. +18
          30 December 2022 12: 07
          Absolutely right. IMHO, the rapture with which "defective managers" from ministerial offices destroyed our industry, at that time fell under the definition of "sabotage".
        9. 0
          30 December 2022 17: 17
          Yes, and in the NWO he has nothing to do. They forgot the abandoned T90 near Kharkov ...
        10. +7
          30 December 2022 18: 02
          The problem is not only that the military-industrial complex was killed, but also that our microelectronics did not develop, lost personnel, training and continuity. The production of our electronics exists, but it is backward and small-scale. We will expectorate long and hard. Of course, you will not envy Armata.
          1. -3
            30 December 2022 23: 16
            But Skomorokhov says something else.
            but since we do not produce anything ourselves, and, moreover, for a long time, we should not expect “breakthroughs” here. For all the "breakthroughs" we have lead to "Ali-express"

            Of course, he exaggerates to heighten the effect, but the fact that they are lagging behind is a fact. Yes, albeit with a great delay, but we realized it and we will try to catch up and overtake, and I hope that in some important failures for us in 5-6 years, we will do something and are already doing it. For example, some research institutes for the development of machines and automatic devices with devices for the production of radio electronics are probably already loaded for 1-2 years in advance (although not the most modern, but their own). But something else is interesting, that even with the technologies that we can do ourselves, we cannot provide ourselves 100%, because only 25 ... 30% is ours, and we buy the rest (although we could do it ourselves). Therefore, purely even a plant with old technologies will already move us forward and cover some needs. Well, then more and better, time is running out.
        11. -4
          30 December 2022 19: 01
          Quote: Sergey028
          Does it really cut the uterus? Look at the "military acceptance" - they cover practical truthful things there.
          The article focuses on the problem of the weakness of the Russian military-industrial complex, killed by years of "reforms" and the rule of "effective managers", and not on the fact that the Armata tank is crap. If you disagree, comment with reason.

          Judging the army and the military-industrial complex by military acceptance is like leading an army from the sofa and with a can of beer. Any problems were, are and will be. You don’t need to hush them up, but other people will decide, based on the opinion of those who travel, fight, and not tik tok troops. We have such a good tradition, everyone in the country knows everything as it should, but for some reason no one does anything. Roman loves to write, but that's about it. Oh yes, now everyone is not a virologist in our country and not specialists in international relations, now everyone has passed the exam in the leadership of the military-industrial complex, there are so many people with diplomas, it’s a pity there are few specialists.
        12. +2
          31 December 2022 16: 05
          Killed by years of theft and corruption, the managers are all their own, close to the class.
        13. 0
          1 January 2023 10: 28
          Write correctly - you need to be able to read between the lines!
        14. 0
          2 January 2023 13: 43
          But really - HOW will the various external sensors "eyes and ears" of such a tank feel, being doused with fire of dense fire, albeit small, but cheap caliber?
          Without information from all these latest systems, the tank is the same iron as the good old T-34.
          Since 1991, traders and bankers have defeated engineers and scientists - so far nothing has changed.
          It's sad, of course..
        15. -1
          6 January 2023 10: 59
          Give me a link? And then I typed and really did not find
        16. 0
          5 February 2023 23: 13
          Military acceptance is just the opposite. You would watch Saloreikhov's propaganda less, you would be smarter.
        17. 0
          29 March 2023 15: 10
          Why comment? Several tanks are involved in a special operation. This was mentioned a couple of times. The rest at the training grounds and in parts are run in. Comrade, which Skomorokhov again found all sorts of nonsense about our technology on the Internet and pulls here.
          By the way, during tests, this tank was fired with live shells to study the durability of body kits, observation devices and sensors. What was weak, they strengthened or changed the protection and a few, the location. Something was simply combined into one device, but something was abandoned.
          There was a report on the first channel. And the one that began to arrive in the unit is slightly different from what was shown at the parade.
          In general, this comrade needs to know that trump cards are not shown to the enemy in advance. In general, the tank passed all the tests and completely satisfied the military. The only thing is it's worth it. But this is still a small series.
    2. +9
      30 December 2022 06: 03
      ,, Why write so much?
      The work is so ...
      "Oh my God, what the hell?"
      And it is.
      Not being sufficiently informed and, also, not being a specialist, you don’t need to write such cumbersome articles with funny speculation about tank engines, where it came from, etc.
      1. -10
        30 December 2022 13: 52
        Aleksey, the mortgage won’t pay itself, but the hands from the priests grow to go to the construction site, and you’ll have to plow even there, these pens are used to writing such articles in the heat.
      2. -3
        30 December 2022 23: 15
        Quote: Alekseev
        ,, Why write so much?
        The work is so ...
        "Oh my God, what the hell?"
        And it is.
        Not being sufficiently informed and, also, not being a specialist, you don’t need to write such cumbersome articles with funny speculation about tank engines, where it came from, etc.

        Well, the main thing for Roman is to write, the yellow press does not sleep.
    3. +1
      30 December 2022 06: 47
      Quote: Roust
      Why write so much?

      Nah ... what? But from the very first lines I began to recognize our, you know, Roma! Now he may not even sign: "Roman Skomorokhov"; but simply indicate: "Well, you know who wrote!" ... Actually, "Armata" has a lot of "parents" "! Who thinks: T-95- he is wrong! There were other projects! Well, there is like ... "Hammer" ... "Boxer" ... and the like! And if constantly, albeit in different variations, they "exaggerate" the same "topic" "... then the comrades of the military still need it !!! Therefore, Roma calm down and for this, let's drink on the" brotherhood "! drinks with faith. that if not in 10 years, then at least in 30 ... "Armata" will appear in the USA, Germany, France ... God forbid the tanks only live to see this!
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      2. +14
        30 December 2022 09: 25
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        Actually, "Armata" has many "parents" .... There were other projects! Well, there's like ... "Hammer" ... "Boxer" ...

        So these are KMDB projects that have gone from square to nowhere ...
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        faith. that if not in 10 years, then at least in 30 ... "Armata" will appear in the USA, Germany, France ... God forbid the tanks only live to see this!

        And why wait until she appears there ..?
        We are inferior demographically and economically, but at the same time we have a gigantic territory and huge natural resources ...
        According to me, by the time it appears with them, it should become the basis of the tank troops for us, curing all "childhood" diseases. Or so, or "they will crush us" ... Remember who said that? And he was 100% right.
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        2. +1
          30 December 2022 19: 24
          They have already had everything for a long time, tested and lying on the shelves, waiting for when they need it. This is a tank with an armata-like layout, this is 130-140mm fluff, ammo for them and AZ in addition, and by the way, a hybrid power plant of 2 hp thousand. But this is all a touch on the future, if, nevertheless, Armata and its Chinese version appear in large numbers in the troops .. In the meantime, they have good options for upgrading the A1M2, Leo2 and Challenger, tanks that were the answer to the T64/72/80.
    4. AAK
      +24
      30 December 2022 07: 23
      "Armata" will be there and then the same, like the T-15 with BREM at its base, and "Coalition", and "Derivation", and "Kurganets-25" with "Boomerang", and Su-57 with Su -75, and the Sotnik with the Legionnaire, and the AK-12 along with the "balanced machine gun" and a bunch of "our" UAVs and much, much more ...
      As for the fear of using the "Armata" in the Northern Military District, it is quite justified, given the recent material about the abandoned Ka-52 in Gostomel and about the T-90 from the Kharkov "liberation campaign" ... Don't watch too much TV ... it’s easier to talk with those wives and fathers who every month carry trunks with everything you need (from night vision devices and collimators with copters to normal food and T-shirt shorts, BJ and warm clothes with thermal underwear) to their mobilized and volunteers in the combat zone ...
      1. -1
        2 January 2023 18: 19
        And few, from wives and fathers and mothers, ask: "Will thieves be punished?"...
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    6. +12
      30 December 2022 09: 14
      Quote: Roust
      The time will come - you will have "Armata". Why write so much?
      I remember UVZ reported that in the year 15 will start mass production, on the threshold of 2023. How much more time is needed?
    7. +4
      30 December 2022 09: 31
      When a man is not Blucher
      And not my lord stupid -
      Belinsky and Gogol
      Will you carry it from the market?
    8. +12
      30 December 2022 10: 30
      Quote: Roust
      The time will come - you will have "Armata". Why write so much?

      It is difficult to master such a long text, right?
      I will help, I will give a brief summary of the article. It sounds like this: it's time will never come. Why - the author explains it in detail and convincingly.
      And if some people are unable to understand such obvious things - that's their problem.
      This prodigy will never be mass-produced in the usual sense. And piece copies will continue to ride around Red Square, please the eye of the Supreme Commander and continue to convince the people of the power of our second army in the world.
      One thing is not clear. Why was there such a fuss in the media about the birth of this child? If it was clear to knowledgeable people from the very beginning that the child would be stillborn? That it is impossible to cut the money allocated for this super project indefinitely? That sooner or later the question will have to be answered: why is this miracle weapon not on the battlefield? Why isn't it mass produced? How long will you fool us?
      1. -10
        30 December 2022 11: 51
        Quote from: skeptick2
        And piece copies will continue to ride around Red Square, please the eye of the Supreme Commander and continue to convince the people of the power of our second army in the world.
        One thing is not clear. Why was there such a fuss in the media about the birth of this child? If it was clear to knowledgeable people from the very beginning that the child would be stillborn?

        T-35, no??? And the couple I have not heard that at least someone was shot for him ....
        Fate is one to one
        1. -2
          30 December 2022 15: 42
          They shot, and - EVERYONE!
          Sorry, I'm not smart enough to write a normal comment
          1. +4
            30 December 2022 16: 21
            Quote: Victor Leningradets
            They shot, and - EVERYONE!

            Whom? Barykov lived until 1967.
            I repeat - who?
            Quote: Victor Leningradets
            SorryI'm not smart enough to write a normal comment
            - I'm sorry - if you ask yourself. Che is already there, don't tea animals ....
            1. +1
              31 December 2022 00: 38
              Quote: Victor Leningradets
              Sorry, I'm not smart enough to write a normal comment
              - I'm sorry - if you ask yourself. Che is already there, don't tea animals ....

              In short, the site itself makes such a postscript ...
              1. 0
                31 December 2022 00: 48
                Site a little belay writing differently...
                "The text of your comment is too short and, according to the site administration, does not contain useful information."
                And so the commentator - the content of the post strictly corresponds to the type lol site response.
                Yea Yea.....
      2. +5
        30 December 2022 18: 41
        Probably no one expected that a real war would begin. So they didn’t prepare, they sawed the army budget not shaky or rolled. As a result, they were not ready for offensive operations. And defensive. They used to say that if the people do not want to feed their own army, they will feed someone else's. The same applies to our elite.
    9. +4
      30 December 2022 12: 58
      The time will come - you will have "Armata". Why write so much?


      In short, the meaning is as follows: there is no armata, but you hold on. You are in a good mood.

      The name of the pack matches.
      It can diverge.
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    11. +3
      30 December 2022 16: 56
      answer
      armata tank for military operations or parades?
      how much time do you need
    12. +1
      30 December 2022 23: 20
      Isn't it time yet, colleague?)))
      What needs to happen for it to come?
    13. -1
      31 December 2022 19: 28
      The time will come and they will forget it, since a new tank will appear with a sane KAZ, and not the garbage that is now without the possibility of protection from UAVs and roofers. Unmanned and with a normal protected tower, and not this plywood garbage, which does not even hold 30 mm.
    14. -1
      3 January 2023 14: 14
      Nuden t90cm in industrial quantities! Armata is a peacetime tank!
    15. 0
      19 March 2023 11: 29
      It will be anyway, improvements during tests in battles against Bandera are being carried out.
    16. 0
      12 July 2023 00: 46
      this "will" be nine years old. In the meantime, they are stamping the T-90M, a car of the nineties.
  2. +42
    30 December 2022 04: 03
    “This is due, among other things, to the fact that turbocharging is provided not just by a turbine, but by a gas turbine. That is, another small diesel engine is connected to the turbine that supplies air to the diesel engine.
    My God, what the hell?
    1. +28
      30 December 2022 04: 37
      I join your comment! And comparing B2 with UDT just killed!
      1. +12
        30 December 2022 05: 46
        Agree. As well as the fact that all engines are B-2 upgrades. According to this logic, then, all modern internal combustion engines are the modernization of Otto and Diesel engines.
        1. +6
          30 December 2022 12: 37
          And they are almost completely torn from Watt's steam engine - the same cylinder, piston, connecting rod laughing laughing
        2. +1
          30 December 2022 18: 31
          However, the widespread use, in addition to tanks, of the V-2 in the USSR took place. Where only B-2 modifications were used: diesel locomotives, river Meteors and Rockets, trucks and tractors. Personally, I had the good fortune to encounter a modification of the V-2 in the army on the launcher of operational-tactical missiles "Elbrus" with a capacity of 525 hp. By the way, there was no turbocharging on it. Warranty is only 500 hours.
    2. +1
      30 December 2022 06: 31
      Coward:
      My God, what the hell?

      — How would you describe it?
      1. +29
        30 December 2022 06: 39
        What did he describe? What is a separate diesel gas turbine drive? I will reveal to you a great secret for copy pasters. What is called a turbine in the common people, and the author also aspiratedly wrote “not just a turbine, but a gas turbine” - this is a gas turbine. Gas turbo blower! Primary word Gazo! This is, in fact, a gas turbine that uses the energy of exhaust gases to work !!!
        The author even attached a photo of a diesel engine, on which the gas turbine is visible, and there is no diesel there. And he wrote nonsense.
        1. +2
          30 December 2022 09: 44
          No, well, maybe it costs a diesel engine, like an APU
          1. +7
            30 December 2022 11: 53
            Well, you know how to use the Internet. Look at the diesel engine and what kind of GTN is on it. And immediately all assumptions will disappear. This is the first. And the second is that a diesel-driven supercharger, by definition, cannot be a gas turbine.
        2. -3
          30 December 2022 09: 58
          Quote: Coward
          this is GTN. Gas turbo blower!

          GTN? Haven't heard! (I'm not a motorist!) But I read about D.V.S. (for example, automobile ...) with a turbocharger ... and about gas turbines, compressors of turbocharging systems ... Well, at least because they began to do in the "West" especially compact (sometimes also called "miniature" ...) turbojet engines for "small-sized" rockets, using gas turbines and compressors for turbocharging systems of automobile D.V.S.
          1. +7
            30 December 2022 10: 29
            AND! Well, since you have not heard, then yes, GTN does not exist. Just explain, please, what creates this very turbocharging in the engine? And at the same time, look at the definition of a gas turbocharger.
            1. +8
              30 December 2022 14: 29
              On the French Leclerc, the diesel is supercharged by a full-fledged turbine. Moreover, it can work without a diesel engine (turns the generator), but there is no diesel engine without it and there is no generator on it. Diesel works, as it should, on diesel fuel, but the turbine runs on kerosene. This information is from the Ukrainian site, when joint exercises were conducted in Ukraine together with the French.

              V-2 engine
              To say about the D-30 that this is a further development of the V-2 is the same as to say that the Makarov pistol is a development of the Browning pistol.

              On the engine for "Armata"
              A variation of the X-shaped motor for the "Armata" was installed on:
              Object 219RD (tank T-80 with 2V-16-2, 1983)
              785 object (2V-16 [A-53-2], Chelyabinsk, late 1970)
              187 object sample No. 4-5-6 (A-85-2, UVZ, candidate for T-90, 1986-1988)
              195 object (A-85-3, UVZ, 1990-2010)
              And the transmission, as a single unit, has been running in since those times.

              And why not consider a turbine as an engine option for the "Armata", especially since such an idea has already been voiced (to make a single engine compartment on the tank into which, depending on the need, either a diesel engine or a turbine was installed).
              1. +4
                30 December 2022 15: 09
                “At the French Leclerc, a full-fledged turbine gives the diesel supercharging”
                Does this cancel the GTN on other engines?
                1. +3
                  30 December 2022 15: 32
                  Quote: Coward
                  Does this cancel the GTN on other engines?
                  I said about Leclerc, just for information.

                  On old engines for the T-72, the diesel supercharger was mechanically driven, on more modern superchargers driven by a turbine, which is rotated by the exhaust gases of the main engine, but the French went their own way, where the diesel supercharger is driven by a turbine independent of the diesel engine. Something like this.
                  1. +1
                    30 December 2022 15: 42
                    “On the old engines for the T-72, the diesel supercharging was mechanically driven”
                    This is no longer gas, and even less turbocharging.
                    1. 0
                      30 December 2022 16: 24
                      Quote: Coward
                      “On the old engines for the T-72, the diesel supercharging was mechanically driven”
                      This is no longer gas, and even less turbocharging.

                      Where do I state this?
                      1. +1
                        31 December 2022 01: 34
                        This is stated by Kaptsov. That's why I wrote, "what the hell?"
                    2. -1
                      30 December 2022 20: 10
                      During World War II, only the United States could make gas turbine supercharging for aviation. All the rest did turbocharging with an ADDITIONAL engine for the compressor. In the USSR, the Pe-2 was equipped with a 8 aircraft engine in the fuselage of the aircraft (exactly the same power as on the wings) Only for the drive supercharger compressor. The blades of the drive gas turbine could not be made in any way - the temperature of the exhaust gases was very high!
                      1. 0
                        31 December 2022 01: 04
                        "Everyone else was turbocharging with an EXTRA motor for the compressor."
                        You at least look at the definition of the word turbo before you shove it anywhere. A compressor driven by a separate engine does not create a turbo, but simply supercharging.
                    3. +2
                      30 December 2022 20: 35
                      Compressor. *Some text to make the site skip the comment*
        3. D16
          -1
          30 December 2022 17: 02
          Gas turbo blower! Primary word Gazo! This is, in fact, a gas turbine that uses the energy of exhaust gases to work !!!

          The word "Supercharger" is a contradiction in the use of exhaust gases as it is an CV driven compressor. Before the advent of heat-resistant alloys, the whole world used superchargers. Today there are Mercedes CLK Compressor.
          1. +3
            31 December 2022 01: 01
            Lord, well, at least read the definition of a gas turbocharger before expressing your “expert” opinion.
          2. +2
            31 December 2022 14: 46
            Quote: D16
            The word "Supercharger" is a contradiction in the use of exhaust gases as it is an CV driven compressor.
            From the context of the topic, a supercharger, supercharger, compressor is that part of the device that pumps air into the internal combustion engine. The drive of the supercharger can be different: starting from the mechanical one from the engine itself, then from the turbine, which is rotated by the exhaust gases of the main engine, or a full-fledged turbine (like the Leclerc), as well as an electric drive. Recently, superchargers with a combined drive have begun to appear: a turbine, which is rotated by the exhaust gases of the engine + an electric drive (it came from the F-1). Some engines have combinations of these options. For example, when operating at low speeds, a supercharger with a mechanical drive from the engine operates, and at high speeds, a supercharger from a turbine powered by engine exhaust.
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    5. D16
      0
      30 December 2022 16: 48
      My God, what the hell?

      Leclercs use the so-called. pressurization system Hyperbar. There, pressurization is carried out by a gas turbine, which has its own compressor station, but at the same time works as a turbocharger from diesel exhaust gases. Provides a high degree of compression of the charge air, part of which goes to its COP.
      http://vdvizhke.ru/dvigateli-vnutrennego-sgoranija/nadduv-dvigatelej-vnutrennego-sgoranija/sistema-nadduva-lgiperbarr.html
      So it's not that crazy.
      1. 0
        31 December 2022 01: 13
        I understand that you really want to protect Kaptsov and that's why you ignore his mistakes, but it's not difficult for me to point them out to you again: “But a gas turbine. That is, another small diesel engine is connected to the turbine that supplies air to the diesel engine. Explain what kind of beast this gas turbine is, to which a small diesel engine is connected?
        To the so-called. Does the Hyperbar system also have a small diesel engine connected?
  3. +4
    30 December 2022 04: 06
    They themselves answered all the questions: not a real battle tank was created, but a PLATFORM of the future line was created. Raw, yes, but still unparalleled.
    1. DO
      +2
      30 December 2022 17: 07
      Yuri Sotnik, but we live in the material world. And you have to fight in the NWO with real tanks, and not with an abstract "platform".
    2. DO
      0
      30 December 2022 18: 16
      Yuri Sotnik, PS
      And if we talk about the platform, then the essence of Almaty's solution is rather a future "unmanned" tank. Unmanned, or inhuman :))
      1. 0
        2 January 2023 18: 51
        Someone from the front said that it was the Ukoroptsy who pulled out the unmanned box to shoot and removed it quickly, having used up the ammunition. I don't believe it, but the rumor...
  4. 0
    30 December 2022 04: 26
    Quote: Roust
    The time will come - you will have "Armata". Why write so much?

    Now, my friend, the local guards of liberal ideas will smear you with shit, and you are talking about "ARMATA" to them laughing
  5. +11
    30 December 2022 04: 29
    Quote: Yuri Sotnik
    They themselves answered all the questions: not a real battle tank was created, but a PLATFORM of the future line was created. Raw, yes, but still unparalleled.

    And you can ask, what kind of tank in the USSR without problems got into the troops? It’s just that earlier with all the problems and shortcomings they fought already in the troops!
    1. +5
      30 December 2022 08: 25
      Quote: UltraTotenkopF
      And you can ask, what kind of tank in the USSR without problems got into the troops?

      If we also take into account that the motor resource of the V-2 engine was less than 100 hours, which Skomorokhov does not seem to know about, then I would not drown much for his genius. It was then, gradually, to the B-92 that its characteristics were improved. It just seems that its further modernization has hit the "ceiling".
      In principle, engine building (piston, not jet) in Russia has always been a "disaster". So everything is not so simple, what they wanted and did. It doesn't work so far.
      1. +6
        30 December 2022 09: 24
        that the motor resource of the V-2 engine was less than 100 hours
        - it was in 41, by the year 43 he had already grown significantly ...
        1. -1
          30 December 2022 18: 42
          Personally, I had the good fortune to encounter in the 70s with a modification of the V-2 in the army on the launcher of operational-tactical missiles "Elbrus" with a capacity of 525 hp. By the way, there was no turbocharging on it. Warranty is only 500 hours. The current great-grandchildren of the B-2, as a rule, have a guarantee of no more than 1000 hours. Very little even nowadays.
          1. Alf
            +2
            30 December 2022 19: 50
            Quote: Alexey Lantukh
            The current great-grandchildren of the B-2, as a rule, have a guarantee of no more than 1000 hours. Very little even nowadays.

            In order to say a lot or not a lot, it would be good to bring the engine life of the Leopard, Challenger or Leclerc engines.
  6. +13
    30 December 2022 04: 32
    If you figure out what is such a breakthrough in Armata?
    Uninhabited tower. So such a bulk. At least the same BMP-3.
    Lots of electronics. So now, not a single military equipment can do without it.
    With the engine as it turned out plugging. The gun was promised as much as 152 mm, also a plug, I don’t remember it anymore. They promised from the new shells with liquid propellant. Generally silent.
    Naturally, if such a toy appeared on the battlefield, it would not be bad, not very bad. It would be better if they focused on electronic warfare, aviation, space, AWACS and new ammunition.
    So the conversations here are the Americans with their AWACSmi la la la blah blah blah, where are our AWACS, they saw once in the Republic of Belarus the hype for the whole world, our Russian AWACS flew what will happen now.
    1. +6
      30 December 2022 07: 08
      Quote: 28st region
      what is so breakthrough in Armata?
      Uninhabited tower. So such a bulk.

      Name a tank, domestic or foreign, with an uninhabited turret. Which "in bulk" ...
      1. -1
        30 December 2022 08: 42
        Quote: Luminman
        Quote: 28st region
        what is so breakthrough in Armata?
        Uninhabited tower. So such a bulk.

        Name a tank, domestic or foreign, with an uninhabited turret. Which "in bulk" ...

        If you take anything that has no analogues, in the form of the absence of a series, then it is complete. The same AbramsX that was recently shown. Yes, and a huge pile of prototypes is rotting in endless septic tanks with such a tower all over the world.
        1. -1
          31 December 2022 10: 48
          This is a prototype, not a production tank at all.
      2. +2
        30 December 2022 09: 02
        Ukro-"Rex", for example ... feel !
      3. +8
        30 December 2022 09: 36
        Quote: Luminman
        Name a tank, domestic or foreign, with an uninhabited turret. Which "in bulk" ...


        Italian "Armata" ... 2nd half of the last century ...

        OBJECT 450. USSR

        Well, so-so ... for a snack! Object 327 "Washer"
        I’ll keep silent about AbramsX ... I wasn’t the first to mention it!
        1. +4
          30 December 2022 15: 10
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          Object 327 "Washer"
          Actually, it's not her trunk. This is what it looks like with family:
    2. 0
      30 December 2022 21: 49
      Armata did not promise a gun 152. They tried it on another project. Ammunition is less, with mass production of shells a problem. The mass is huge. We are not yet ready to make heavy tanks
  7. +27
    30 December 2022 04: 35
    I had fun comparing B2 with UDT29. The author at least placed the pictures side by side for comparison, not to mention the internal structure. In my youth, I worked for Barnaultransmash, a manufacturer and modifications of B2 for a "citizen" - conversion, so to speak, workshop 190 - assembly and testing for D12 and D6. And the newest (1972) workshop 290 assembled just the first-born of the UDT line. I can compare both motors .
    1. D16
      +3
      30 December 2022 17: 31
      I had fun comparing B2 with UDT29

      Well, at least the Hispano-Suiza 12Ybrs was not registered as a relative. The cylinder diameter is also 150mm. laughing .
      1. +1
        30 December 2022 22: 58
        Oh, someone else remembers! And the rod looks like...
        1. 0
          31 December 2022 15: 02
          Quote: Yaroslav Tekkel
          Oh, someone else remembers! And the rod looks like...
          Is it? If we compare V-2 and UDT-29 then:
          B-2 on one of the blocks trailer connecting rods
          (And for the same reason, the piston stroke length on one cylinder block is different from the piston stroke length of the second cylinder block. The cylinder blocks are symmetrical to the engine axis).
          UTD-29, all connecting rods are the same (cylinder blocks are slightly offset along the axis of the engine, relative to each other, since there is a place on the crankshaft for each connecting rod. The piston stroke length in all cylinders is the same)
          [media=https://auto.vercity.ru/img/magazine/test_drive/v8_work.gif]
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  10. +11
    30 December 2022 05: 33
    I don’t presume to judge the technical side of the issue - because I’m not an expert, but, it seems to me, the main idea that the author is trying to convey is that there is a fundamentally wrong approach to the ideology of creating new technology, and not only military. You can tear a vest on your chest, defending or criticizing the technical characteristics of the Armata, but if the Russian modern industry cannot ensure the production of this equipment, then what is there to talk about? I got the impression that at the present stage of Armata this is an experimental model not intended for combat use. Perhaps some of it will find application in a future production model, or maybe not. And of course, it is worth remembering the national game - "cutting the dough".
    1. -5
      30 December 2022 06: 28
      In general - again, as they say, judging by reports in the official media, the T-14 has been on the assembly line for about a year and the first few batches have been delivered to the troops. But whether to drive the newest tank now into the NWO zone is a big question, and many agree that it is absolutely impossible to do this now.
      1. +1
        30 December 2022 12: 42
        "You must Fedya, you must" wink
        ..........
      2. DO
        +3
        30 December 2022 17: 18
        The Watcher,
        But whether to drive the newest tank now into the NWO zone is a big question, and many agree that it is absolutely impossible to do this now.

        Why do we need a tank that "categorically cannot" be used in combat? To cut the dough and parades?
  11. +10
    30 December 2022 05: 42
    If you endlessly improve an old tank, you will have an old tank, with old problems. If you create a new tank, you will end up with a great new tank that wins in the competition, i.e. the best, as happened with the T-34. We must not forget that the T-34 was created in a tough competition, so its creators had no choice but to create an outstanding tank. For high-quality products, competition is necessary, otherwise collapse and vegetation. By the way, the United States, admittedly, is trying to support and finance this strategy, understanding the consequences. United corporations with a single copy, albeit a successful one today, of weapons, the road to nowhere tomorrow. One can hardly doubt the prospects of Almaty - this is really the solution of tomorrow, perhaps requiring improvements and improvement, like any fundamentally new product.
    1. +8
      30 December 2022 06: 16
      Undoubtedly. The merger of some military-industrial complex enterprises and the liquidation of others was done not with the aim of increasing the quality of manufactured and designed products, as it killed competition, but with the aim of high-quality and quick cutting of budget funds.
    2. KCA
      -4
      30 December 2022 06: 23
      This strategy in the United States especially applies to tank building, in 2001 they stopped producing tanks altogether and did not develop a single new model, they showed a model of a new abrams with a plywood turret on an old tank and FSE, they look to the future right up to the year 3000, not otherwise, ingeniously
      1. 0
        30 December 2022 22: 00
        Everyone has shortcomings. Nevertheless, at least 3 companies participate in the US helicopter competition. I don’t think that if you find a flaw in the United States, everything will immediately get better in Russia. It is necessary to strive for a guaranteed, predictable result, and not to calm down. The results of self-hypnosis We are observing and ascertaining right now. Mistakes need to be identified, corrected, and moved on.
    3. -1
      30 December 2022 19: 31
      In the US and Europe, the situation is NOT BETTER. A lot of exclusively military firms have also been destroyed, technologies have been lost. Now they won’t even produce a Sherman with a Tiger. And repeating the path from "0" is not 2-3 years, 50 years!

      In terms of armor, the loss of technology is even more significant, as is the quality of the barrels of everything that shoots. The reliability of the equipment is based on MONTHS (and somewhere weeks of combat use) - it was believed that it would not survive longer, therefore, there was no point in repairing it.

      We are in exactly the same situation. Whoever is the first to get out of this hole dug by politicians, financiers, PR people into homespun REALITY, will win for the next 100-200 years.
    4. +1
      30 December 2022 23: 04
      Quote from Eugene Zaboy
      United corporations with a single copy, albeit a successful one today, of weapons, the road to nowhere tomorrow.


      The development and production of modern technology has become so complex and expensive that not only is it no longer possible for one country to deal with these different competing firms, but entire countries are forced to join forces. If during WWII in Germany and France there were different companies that created tanks and fighters, now we are talking not even about a single German or French, but about a single Franco-German tank and fighter.
      1. 0
        31 December 2022 11: 07
        If you think about it, automakers face equally daunting challenges when creating new models. Nevertheless, they create quite quickly, not only models, but also a lineup. You can refer to different tasks of developers, material consumption, etc. I do not think that the creation of a body, engine, electronics with the desired properties of safety, weight, reliability, corrosion-resistance is less easy than the development of a tank. Of course, the car weighs approximately 2-3 tons, the tank is 50-70 tons and the car has no armor and weapons, but a modern car is stuffed from the heart, and these are all continuous developments of a high degree of complexity.
        1. 0
          1 January 2023 19: 36
          But car manufacturers are already forced to unite in monstrous international conglomerates like Stellantis (Alfa Romeo, Chrysler, Citroen, Dodge, Fiat, Jeep, Lancia, Maserati, Opel, Peugeot and Vauxhall).
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  14. +3
    30 December 2022 06: 01
    The most important thing in this tank is its low replenishment due to long-term construction. Still no derivatives.
  15. -2
    30 December 2022 06: 12
    I read such authors and get crap from their verbiage, but the question to the author is how the air defense systems were created, all these anti-aircraft missile systems in Russia on them from whom do these electronics come from?
    Or the same Su 27 that bought its radar and electronics from Ali Express or Amazon?
    1. +2
      30 December 2022 12: 58
      Yes, and according to matrices, too, they have been producing their own for a long time: https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4244403.html
    2. +2
      30 December 2022 18: 13
      Be careful expressing your opinion, I was given a warning in this article, for my opinion about this author, and the comment was deleted. Although there was not a single bad word or insult. And here you have “crap”, “verbiage”.
    3. +3
      30 December 2022 18: 18
      Parvis Vii do not encroach on the sacred! You were told that Russia does not have electronics, and that's it. And then you will earn yourself a ban, objections are punished on this site! For example, I just received. I myself am an electronics engineer, I am dangerous with my observations on the Russian electronics industry! ;)
  16. +7
    30 December 2022 06: 21
    The case (which happens quite often here on VO) when the author wants to show that he is kind of deep in the topic, although in fact he doesn’t know shit - it’s all speculation and conjecture! The topic is only how the T-14 is made, what components it has (skating rinks, a cart, cameras, thermal imagers, sights, etc. ...) and how many of them have already been delivered to the troops - only the leadership of UVZ and the Moscow Region knows. Why the author of the hunchback sculpts is not completely clear! The device of the tank is still secret and, in fact, absolutely nothing is known about it.
    But the author, like many such "hacks in the subject," decided once again to dream up what is there, how it is there, and how effective it all will be in battle. Still, VO is, for the most part, a community of amateurs who think that they supposedly understand the issue in order to write such serious articles. Thus confusing those who understand this even less.
    By the way, on the same YouTube there are a lot of videos on similar topics, but there the authors often at least stipulate that these are just their guesses and nothing more.
    1. +1
      30 December 2022 07: 24
      Completely agree with your assessment. Why this article?
      1. D16
        +1
        30 December 2022 17: 41
        Why this article?

        More comments - more visits - more advertising. And it was necessary just to throw substances on the fan laughing .
    2. +4
      30 December 2022 14: 00
      I have been reading VO for a long time, I do not completely agree with you, articles on VO were previously very qualified, readable and truthful in general. Now, a whole band of shit articles has the feeling that not very competent authors are working out a grant. It is sad.
      1. +3
        30 December 2022 22: 38
        Ryabushkin Danil is with you and today we will find out what was once again given to Khokhls and why it is bad.
  17. -4
    30 December 2022 06: 32
    I read the comments and think and think alcohol dried up their whole brain? Respect to the author. He said the truth. In Russia, auto standards ... they didn’t learn how to make a modern tank, but they want to release a modern tank in Syria ?. That's funny
  18. +4
    30 December 2022 06: 45
    This is our global problem. A country with a native economy got into a proxy war with modern countries. It's worse than China during the Opium Wars. And the same problems as the then China with its rotten Manchu aristocracy.
    1. -7
      30 December 2022 09: 21
      A country with a native economy got into a proxy war with modern countries.

      Quite right, it was necessary to focus on what they can do. The T-72 and T-90 are not bad tanks, Navryatli can withstand a hit of 155 mm Armata shells better than the T 72, then why is it.
      1. 0
        1 January 2023 22: 17
        Navryatli hit by 155 mm shells Armata will withstand better than T 72
        Until they hit her with such a projectile, I won’t know.
  19. +5
    30 December 2022 06: 59
    How many military-oriented factories in our country have not risen from their knees.
    But, Russia, got up from her knees smile
    1. +1
      30 December 2022 09: 43
      Quote: parusnik
      But, Russia, got up from her knees

      And who put her on her knees? And did you get up? Maybe got up? ... on bent and walks ...
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  21. -2
    30 December 2022 07: 16
    the truth, as always, is somewhere in the middle, the production and purchase of missiles is more likely to be a priority now than an increase in the production of armats
    1. 0
      30 December 2022 07: 24
      Tanks are not a panacea, even if there is communication and satellite reconnaissance ...
      1. 0
        30 December 2022 18: 20
        Of course there is. Just don't write here.
    2. +3
      30 December 2022 23: 12
      Yes. rocket. A simple Mykola in a trench, having received an SMS from his relatives in Kyiv “again we are sitting without light and water,” does not give up, but only shoots more angrily.
  22. +14
    30 December 2022 07: 23
    It would be better if the author did not write anything about the power plant. One gets the impression that the author has a humanitarian education, for a writer this is wonderful, but you just don’t need to comment on what you don’t understand. Diesel A-85-3 has a classic turbocharging without a drive supercharger. The author, for some reason, calls the drive supercharger a turbine. Please understand how the turbine differs from the same axial or centrifugal compressor. In the future, it will help you to make fewer mistakes when writing technical texts. It does not need to be argued that the A-85-3 is completely made on the basis of the Zimmering. "Simmering" has a divided combustion chamber, a different design of the connecting rod mechanism and a different cooling system, namely air. The fact that these two tank diesel engines are made according to one, X-shaped, layout does not mean anything. All existing engines are structurally similar to each other, as are cars and airplanes. Please be careful with technical comments.
    1. 0
      30 December 2022 07: 53
      Such details can be omitted, the essence of the article is different: Armata is a scam. And presented for the first time in the case.
      1. +2
        30 December 2022 08: 20
        Yeah, and the fact that Armata is a scam was concluded by a person who is technically poorly versed in the design of this platform. Don't you find it a bit illogical?
        1. +1
          30 December 2022 09: 29
          I won’t give a link, a kettle-user, there was an article about this engine on VO during covidla, in it (I don’t remember the details) problems and opportunities were sorted out, so it was stated that the engine on equipment (armata) in the field changes with a standard workstation in one and a half or two hours. and it was also about the lack of really mass production, and even more so the repair of this product in the factory
      2. +1
        30 December 2022 09: 06
        And here I do not agree. It's just that Armata is a more complex project. In the conditions of the sanction, it is still difficult to implement.
    2. 0
      30 December 2022 09: 10
      Diesel A-85-3 has a classic turbocharging without a drive supercharger. The author, for some reason, calls the drive supercharger a turbine

      Well, you yourself read about turbochargers driven by engine exhaust gases and with a mechanical screw compressor driven by the engine crankshaft.
      A turbine is what ordinary people call turbocharging.
      They made a fundamental mistake with the Almaty engine, it was necessary, the tank turned out to be too heavy and large, and they wanted to increase the specific power. And the X-shaped engine has much smaller dimensions compared to the V-shaped ones with the same power. As well as gasoline compared to diesel, which, by the way, was the use of the first in Wehrmacht tanks, and not the lack of diesel fuel. And using gasoline Maybachs in the Tigers. By the way, the X-shaped engine on the Royal Tiger was rejected. For example, I don’t know where X-shaped engines are used now.
      1. +1
        30 December 2022 09: 39
        On which of our tank engines have you seen screw superchargers? Screw blowers are called, for example, blowers of the "Roots" type or quite widely used screw compressors VK. Do not confuse concepts. If you are a layman, then do not try to strictly judge what you do not understand, due to the lack of basic technical education in this industry. So it is possible to agree generally it is not known to what. If you pretend to be objective, then carefully study the technical part of the question before writing an article. And so, it's just an ordinary thrashing.
        1. +3
          30 December 2022 11: 42
          On which of our tank engines have you seen screw superchargers?

          And where did I write about tank engines? I wrote what kind of supercharging happens on an internal combustion engine. And I saw a mechanical rotary supercharger at MAZ and KrAZ. A screw compressor on a Ford -GT.
          If you pretend to be objective, then carefully study the technical part of the question before writing an article. And so, it's just an ordinary thrashing.

          Actually, I graduated from a specialized university and worked for 10 years at a factory where, among other things, they repaired D-6, D-12 and D-100. You can continue to catch me on tryndezhe.
          In order not to search on Google for further dialogue - the D-6 is a 6-cylinder, and the D-12 is a 12-cylinder civilian, with an increased V-2 resource.
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  24. +4
    30 December 2022 07: 38
    The author forgot to say that everything written is only his guesses, and he cannot know anything from his sofa. An article about nothing, straight from 2014
  25. +8
    30 December 2022 07: 43
    You read the articles of Mr. Skomorokhov and for some reason the USSR is remembered in its brightest incarnation - the First Secretary of the rural district committee of the CPSU, who, as everyone admits, was the main and only specialist in his area in everything - from astronomy to gynecology, and therefore could judge and dress up about everything "as ̶b̶o̶g̶ party conscience" orders. As a result, grain was bought in Canada, and all the fields were littered with "skeletons" of torn tractors.
    1. +2
      31 December 2022 07: 05
      All my life I live in the village, I have not seen "skeletons".
      1. +1
        1 January 2023 22: 29
        Quote: almen1
        All my life I live in the village, I have not seen "skeletons".

        Well, of course, where are they from in the field. The remnants stood at the mill, but not for long, no one canceled the plan for the delivery of scrap metal. True, before getting into the Kalash series, the tractor worked for 20 years, the combine for 5-6 years. This is under Soviet rule. Well, then all the scrap metal was brought in and dismantled in the yards. Some people still have Soviet technology working.
  26. +14
    30 December 2022 07: 45
    that ALL diesel engines of Russian armored vehicles from V-84 (T-72), V-92S2F (T-72B3, T-90) to UTD-20 (BMP-1 and BMP-2) and UTD-29 (BMP-3)
    UTD-20 and UTD-29 are related to the V-2 family, only in the sense that it is also a DIESEL with a cylinder diameter of 150 mm, they are so excellent. I don't know why the author dragged them here ...
  27. -6
    30 December 2022 07: 48
    Respect to the author! Great article!
    Everything is on point. Opens everyone's eyes to the true state of affairs.
    It looks like it was a huge money laundering. Korea is resting!
    1. +8
      30 December 2022 09: 43
      Respect to the author! Great article!
      Everything is on point. Opens everyone's eyes to the true state of affairs.
      It looks like it was a huge money laundering. Korea is resting!

      The result was not a cut, but simply a waste of money and resources.
      Top managers wanted to make a super-duper tank, but they seem to have come up with a concept without the terms of reference from ABTU. Designers, forced people, fulfilled all the instructions, received salaries and bonuses. And then it turned out the cart ahead of the horse, the tank is ready, and the horse, i.e. engine no. For some reason, they wanted to make an anti-tank self-propelled gun with a rotating turret out of the tank. Armata is powerless against infantry because of the huge birdhouses with optoelectronic devices, radar and other sensors and antennas. Try with such fragile devices to approach the positions of infantrymen with one machine gun. The result was such a long-range anti-tank for flat treeless plains, which also takes off shoes on a mine, with the same cannon that breaks through a heavy machine gun, with larger dimensions and weight like Abrams with its cross-bridges, with less durability of observation devices and sights, moreover, thermal imaging and optoelectronic in "one basket", they are separated near the dry Stronghold and in the daytime the thermal imaging one is closed by an armored shutter, and we have an armored shutter, but if you close it, then you can't aim.
      Armata is the clearest example of the joint work of defective managers and designers with the principle of "the main salary", one can even say that Armata is the embodiment of the modern era of "development" of Russia.
      How many minuses I received for criticizing Almaty, some finally began to see clearly. And now the uryapatriots will roll in, I'm waiting.
      1. +5
        30 December 2022 10: 15
        Yes, I’ll add, KAZ cannot be used on Armata, or rather, it can, but the tank will lose its combat effectiveness, and all due to the fact that observation and aiming devices are protected only by 5mm armor. In the T-90, only the head parts of the instruments, protected by armored heads, go out, and in the Armata, under the armor, only the breech of the gun with an automatic loader.
        1. 0
          30 December 2022 20: 33
          5 mm is not armor. It's just camouflage.
          ............
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  29. +5
    30 December 2022 08: 16
    Yes, without this article, we probably would not have learned that: “maybe”, “for sure”, “unknown, but most likely”, read here, don’t read here, they wrapped the fish here.
    Someone argued that the new still needs to be finalized and tested? No. Someone promised a company of Armat in the forefront to reach Kyiv? No. What is the article about, what does the author break spears in industrial quantities? And, let's ride for another 50 years on the old proven 72s and 90s?
    And about participating in battles - who said that the enemy has hundreds of HARMs hanging in the air per kilometer of the front? Or are there dozens of 30 mm guns from each trench? He will leave, they will shoot from Berdans, he will leave and that's it, there are no spare parts, the war is over.
    Armata will be. And the deliveries of tanks are coming. Not the way I wanted, not the way I expected. And the mistakes were recognized, and the stealers were imprisoned / caught, and money was allocated for the development of their industry.
    Once again, they believed the West, for which they received in general. I hope THIS lesson will be learned, memorized and cast in granite - how not to do it.
    By the way: why are there no such devastating articles about Western technology that cannot withstand loads and breaks out of the blue? Is it different? Didn't order?
    1. +1
      30 December 2022 08: 30
      The first, and the funniest, "Armata" shoots further than those things that the author of the article proposes to shoot down its electronic body kit.
      The second is that the charm is sharpened to destroy weakly armored mobile air defense radars.
      Those. except for a direct hit, it is not dangerous for a tank.
      1. +2
        30 December 2022 20: 36
        Fragments of the OF RS MLRS, especially the 227 caliber, are still dangerous for armored vehicles. And there are also cumulative cassette power supplies ...
    2. +5
      30 December 2022 09: 22
      There is absolutely no reason to believe what you wrote. No changes. Neither Su57 nor Armat nor all of the above, in the proper quantities. No progress with the component base for electronics. Complete degradation of the VPK. For 80 years, an intelligent diesel engine has not been made. And this is not only the military-industrial complex, it is also in heavy engineering, not any machine tools, excavators and other things. If there is something, it is almost completely from imported components! Show me 100 tons Russian auto crane or excavator. There is not . Liebherr, Sat. Hitachi and China. Everybody. Moskvich began to produce out. Why these lies
      1. +2
        30 December 2022 20: 37
        Rotary excavator NKMZ, 1000 tons saw. Also how it works!
    3. +3
      30 December 2022 09: 47
      Or are there dozens of 30 mm guns from each trench?

      For the anti-splinter casing of the Armata, mounted on pins with cotter pins, sheets 5 mm thick and huge matrices of the thermal imager, 5,45 bullets are enough.
      1. -4
        30 December 2022 10: 35
        How many meters will you get from a 5,45 machine into this matrix? And in the casing of the tank? Moreover, the tank will not stand still and wait for you to do this, but will actively work on you. And so he may not be alone, a copter can hang in the sky to detect such snipers.
        1. +8
          30 December 2022 10: 58
          How many meters will you get from the 5,45 machine into this matrix?

          Here in these?

          Well, from a machine gun with one store with 300 hits, and if the team helps, then you can go further.
          And in the city and a brick from the roof can damage this tripe.
          1. +3
            30 December 2022 14: 08
            Well, from the sofa, of course, you can plug it with a knife, have you ever seen a tank live, Mom's expert? I think when you see it, you will lose any thoughts about attacking it and shooting at it.
          2. +5
            30 December 2022 15: 19
            Seriously? I’ll be surprised if you even manage to hit a tank from 30 rounds in a combat situation from 300 rounds. Well, that is, not aiming with each cartridge, but with a burst somewhere in the direction of the armor ... For otherwise you are unlikely to be allowed to shoot.
            You can only get into these with a sniper rifle, lying on a hillock, outside the tank's line of fire. And then the question is, is one bullet enough or will you have to put your heels in there for complete incapacitation. You won't know whether it's all broken there or just a scratch.
            It's funny about the brick.
            PS. Go through the KMB for fun, at least they will tell you the basics, and maybe you can shoot live from 5,45 ... and see how it flies there and what can fly back.
        2. +1
          30 December 2022 14: 07
          yes, there are full trenches of these strategists and mother's marshals, general designers, engineers and other couch workers.
  30. 0
    30 December 2022 08: 24
    Say, now "Armata" will come, will put things in order.
    dispersed by the state media will win, you know,
    Well, you can’t be so subject to enemy propaganda as to frankly borrow enemy slogans ...
    The question arises: is it possible to solve some of the problems by simplification?
    Easily.
    It's as easy as shelling pears.
    The Americans stole the drawings of a fighter from the Russians. Collected - a tractor. Dismantled, assembled - a tractor! What to do, they stole a Russian specialist. The specialist takes the drawing, looks, looks and says: “In the same place at the bottom in small print: after assembly, process it with a file.”

    PS Funny article. And as usual, under such articles, the repressive apparatus is working to its fullest - at the moment, out of 51 comments, 10 comments have been deleted)) For there is no way to criticize the authors so that they do not write ...
    1. +4
      30 December 2022 20: 41
      I was not only removed, but also a warning ... The author seems to be on the editorial board ... But he does not understand military equipment.
  31. +8
    30 December 2022 08: 26
    But it seems to me that this is not our main tank problem. The problem is that the Armored Directorate of the Ministry of Defense does not know what it wants. We have not purchased new T-90s since 2009, the first piece deliveries went only from 2017. But India has 90 times more T-2s than ours. And now, when the rooster pecked, we suddenly realized that we were doing something wrong. Marvelous.
    1. -1
      30 December 2022 10: 21
      We have not purchased new T-90s since 2009, the first piece deliveries went only from 2017. But India has 90 times more T-2s than ours. And now, when the rooster pecked, we suddenly realized that we were doing something wrong.

      So it’s the same for everyone. First, the old equipment is put into battle, then instead of the destroyed one we make a new one. Capitalism, all the money counts.
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  33. +6
    30 December 2022 08: 39
    After the words that the UTD-20 is a modernized V-2, you can not read further. One thing is true, the author did not see both products in his eyes.
    1. -2
      30 December 2022 14: 10
      But who will give him Sergey, this article is unscientific fiction. No more.
  34. -2
    30 December 2022 08: 39
    Good article, Roman. Acute. Without criticism and highlighting problems, there will be no progress.
    1. +7
      30 December 2022 09: 49
      Good article, Roman. Acute. Without criticism and highlighting problems, there will be no progress.

      Good, if not useful in the nuances of the engine.
      1. +3
        30 December 2022 11: 43
        Maybe . Not all narrow specialists. However, you are a good shooter. From 300 I won’t hit, from 150 meters I’ll calmly remove all these screens
        1. +5
          30 December 2022 13: 58
          Maybe . Not all narrow specialists. However, you are a good shooter. From 300 I won’t hit, from 150 meters I’ll calmly remove all these screens

          He had diplomas .... and if the SVD, and a friend next to the machine gunner, this prodigy will not work closer than a kilometer. And in the city, this golden tank is simply helpless.
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  36. -11
    30 December 2022 08: 54
    Something on the VO has become a solid "everything is gone." How could they start producing at least something in a country where "efficient managers" with a "liberal paradigm" rule everything? It was necessary to "pump" money into the FNB - and for 300 stolen lards it was possible not only to set up factories for "Armat", but also BAM-2 to boot. But - no, because the IMF did not allow this to the Nabiullino-Siluanovs! Well, Putin and Shoigu - for the parades "Armat" is enough, but for more they don’t need it. Unfortunately, until the authorities understand that only Stalin and SMERSH can still save Russia, our fate is not enviable ...
    1. 0
      30 December 2022 09: 36
      Incorrect formulation of the question: why the hell do we need to produce 200 Armats now, when is it better to produce 350 T-90M tanks?
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  37. +4
    30 December 2022 08: 59
    as always with us .... someone screwed up everything and went to a promotion ...
  38. +6
    30 December 2022 09: 00
    Quote: Dmitry Karabanov
    Something on the VO has become a solid "everything is gone." How could they start producing at least something in a country where "efficient managers" with a "liberal paradigm" rule everything? It was necessary to "pump" money into the FNB - and for 300 stolen lards it was possible not only to set up factories for "Armat", but also BAM-2 to boot. But - no, because the IMF did not allow this to the Nabiullino-Siluanovs! Well, Putin and Shoigu - for the parades "Armat" is enough, but for more they don’t need it. Unfortunately, until the authorities understand that only Stalin and SMERSH can still save Russia, our fate is not enviable ...

    maybe it's time to get rid of these managers from ALL industries??
    1. +4
      30 December 2022 10: 03
      Evil you! And who will feed their families? If only one "Armata" was problematic. The planned cut of the budget on the topic of the "aircraft engine" APD-500 continues. The topic is being lobbied by Manturov and a group of comrades from CIAM. They are trying to create another "technical miracle" from a liquid-cooled car engine. They just forgot that all over the world, work on aviation liquids was curtailed immediately after 1945, due to their high vulnerability and lower reliability. I would like to send these figures, who make a decision on the APD-500 issue, to be sent somewhere in the Far North in the winter so that they perform "Polovtsian dances and dances with tambourines" there near airplanes and helicopters. These gentlemen do not even think about what can happen to the aircraft in the event of a loss of coolant in flight, let's say somewhere over the expanses of Siberia and the Far East.
      The reason for all our troubles is that in the early 90s, our demo-liberda with a humanitarian education was screaming: "Let the party steer." They gave us a steer, our "bus with passengers" flew not even into a ditch, but into a deep ravine. As a result, we have a broken "vehicle", that is, a state with industry and great loss of life. Maybe in a technocratic civilization it is necessary to legally limit the admission of humanitarians to government? There is a fair expression that the humanities brains are not structured by the exact sciences, they are constantly carried away somewhere. The demo-liberalists are carried away to "muddy distances with brown, pink-blue hues," and the communists are carried away to "muddy distances with red hues." Maybe it's time for the people to take up common sense and go to a Brighter Future without all these quirks listed above.
    2. -1
      30 December 2022 10: 36
      And shoot. Twice. Maybe even three to be sure.
  39. +4
    30 December 2022 09: 02
    Quote: Dmitry Karabanov
    ....... only Stalin and SMERSH can still save Russia - our fate is not enviable ...

    We are afraid to apply harsh measures ... everyone hopes for friendship and trade with the enemy .... here we are pissing ourselves off little by little
  40. -1
    30 December 2022 09: 04
    They will not mass-produce undeveloped equipment during the war, this is understandable, this is simply stupid, and not even because it cannot be produced, but because there is no time and no one to teach how to use it. All the best tank crews are already in the NVO zone, and training is not even a couple of months, because it is also not debugged ... 200 tanks are only 600 tankers, but we need more equipment and others, and not any, but the most intelligent ones. ..
    Why do we need French matrices? Russia itself makes good matrices. And even military boxes are made in Russia and Belarus.
    And they send tanks to the NWO zone in order to gain experience in use, and these people will later teach tankers, after the NWO, when there will be mass production ...
    1. 0
      30 December 2022 19: 00
      It would be nice to teach not only tankmen to fight, but also those who are directly in charge of the battle, to take exams from them, so that opponents would sling mud at them. Penalty officers were demoted in ranks. Just sending a tank to attack is not the time, not the Great Patriotic War. Any armor breaks through, any armored vehicles are burned or even broken.
    2. +1
      4 January 2023 13: 52
      Which ones? does Russia make such matrices?
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  42. +1
    30 December 2022 09: 07
    And the leadership of Uralvagonzavod decided to solve the issue of this engine in a very peculiar way: to take and develop a new tank for it!

    Along the way, they sawed money, took Armata to the parade, raised their rating and were re-elected to continue sawing. This is how negative selection happens in power. Corrupt officials manage to create ratings and continue to remain in power.
    It would be better if this money was spent on the modernization of the T-90.
  43. +1
    30 December 2022 09: 08
    The article does not pretend to be some kind of whistleblower or showing the moment of truth, but on the basis of a short argument, it shows the reality of what is happening even in tank building. And this is in the military-industrial complex, our standard and indicator of the level of the state of our state, what to say about other areas, the same picture, and what to say about the state of the civilian economy, there is generally wilds.
    Tell me, honestly, looking at the truth, Stalin would be able to cope with this problem, I am 100% sure that he could, would put the country in cancer, and would not be afraid of condemning his actions in the history of the country, would not be afraid to get dirty, but would revive the military-industrial complex , the country's economy. The author and the ideological inspirer of the project for the development of today's Russia left the country or simply fled, and the parade generals were left with a broken trough and they don’t know what to do, like blind kutyats, therefore they shy away from one extreme to another. And everything that was created by hard improper labor crumbled into dust at once, and everything must be created anew, starting with the birth of a child. I think now the primary and urgent task of the current leader is not the concentration of the state on the victorious completion of the special operation, it’s just very clear here, the search for a compromise with the West, about a mutually acceptable option for a peaceful settlement of the conflict, first of all in the reputation of the current leadership. And the primary task is to find a successor by the year 24, who will disentangle all the consequences of wise rule and, moreover, such a successor that would guarantee full security for the current rulers. And then what to say to the people, this has already been run in, those who are in their right mind and clear memory will close their mouths, but for fools, a beautiful illustrated picture is enough for them.
  44. +2
    30 December 2022 09: 11
    "How long do you think all this splendor will hold out under fire?"

    7 - 15 minutes as usual
    1. +2
      30 December 2022 20: 44
      Can I have a video where the tank stays for 7-15 minutes? And how do they manage to fight for a year already?
  45. 0
    30 December 2022 09: 27
    Well, I expected something like this - there will be no kin ...
  46. +1
    30 December 2022 09: 29
    There are also a lot of things on the Breakthrough that are not even on the T-80U and T-72BM3. And in the Kyrgyz Republic there are a lot of all sorts of chips that it is not clear where they come from. And teplaki for horse money, but they are still sold in stores. Yes, this is not what a tank needs, although sometimes these characteristics are impressive.
    The fact that the B-2 had already been sucked to the bottom was clear by the end of the 50s. Therefore, 5TD, 6TD, GTD were created, and already in the 80s. engaged in X-shaped diesel engines. B2 at first was far from a gift, even by 1945 its reliability by modern standards was below any criticism. If you don't do something, you won't be able to do it. And in general, judging by the way tanks are now used in the Northern Military District, a gas turbine engine would be more useful to them than any diesel engine. You don't have to go far anymore. It became unnecessary.
    You need to invest in production, in people, in equipment and tooling, then everything will be fine. Rostec can basically "optimize" enterprises. Hence the result, and it will be the same not only with Armata, but in general with everything.
    1. 0
      31 December 2022 11: 05
      There's a lot more that can be changed.
      At least increase the volume.
      Put a turbocharger less primitive.
  47. -1
    30 December 2022 09: 33
    Is it Roman who decided to lay the straw like that? I see no reason to discuss each of his points, from which it follows that "there will be no kina and Almaty too" ... I wonder how we have been making tank and other sights without French matrices for 4 years now? In general, I propose to remember Roman's words about "there will be no tanks, and if there are few and they will not serve for a long time, and if they do, they will not be sent to the front, and if they are sent, then not to the most advanced" .... The main thing is not to forget )
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  48. 0
    30 December 2022 09: 35
    I don’t want Armata, even if they pay extra, even if it’s already in the series, even if it’s reliable.
    "Armata" is already yesterday. The carrier of "TVs" at a short distance is not our way.
  49. +2
    30 December 2022 09: 54
    It is unlikely that "Armata", even in noticeable quantities, will affect the results of the SVO. But checking at least the existing samples in real conditions is necessary.
    1. +3
      30 December 2022 11: 01
      Conceptually, no. Artillery will suffer the same way. No one complains about breaking through 2a46.
      That would be useful from the Coalitions.
      1. +1
        30 December 2022 13: 08
        A noticeable effect from the use of all these innovations in ground technology can be achieved only if the lower-level commanders at least up to the level of brigade-division and aviation are equipped with ESU TK.
      2. 0
        30 December 2022 14: 23
        well, provided that the Coalitions go along with the new Krasnopole-like shells with a range of 70 km, then it will be epic
    2. -3
      30 December 2022 19: 02
      For what?
      naker those armats in a nuclear war ...
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  52. +6
    30 December 2022 10: 15
    I scratch my head thoughtfully...does anyone still doubt the need to clone Joseph Vissarionovich? And those who threw into the masses the slogan “We will buy everything!” Long ago, with a pick in the face, we would have mastered the correct one - “We’ll do everything ourselves!” Lavrentiy Pavlovich's clone will help them.
    1. +1
      1 January 2023 01: 14
      The problem with placing a new "master" on the throne is that you have no control over who gets carried out next. Then there was one master for you, now there is another, each with his own quirks. You don’t want to participate in this, because most likely you don’t belong to the circle of those close to you who “elect” the future leader, and you don’t even call for establishing institutions of democracy. Therefore, if your bet wins, you will again live with who you are.
    2. 0
      1 January 2023 07: 38
      New Stalin, it's you. And Beria is the same. It's time to understand this.
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    1. -2
      30 December 2022 14: 25
      the key point is not even that you can publish information, but that professionals know what cannot be published
      1. 0
        1 January 2023 07: 40
        Professionals, easily connect the green wire to the phase. Judge by their deeds.
    2. Lad
      +1
      1 January 2023 15: 29
      Professionals??? What pathos. ))) This site is purely entertaining with some propaganda bias of course. And what do professionals have to do with it? They are not here either among the writers or among the readers. What kind of readers and writers are they? And exceptions only confirm the rule.
  54. +1
    30 December 2022 10: 30
    Quote: Prokop_Svinin
    When a man is not Blucher
    And not my lord stupid -
    Belinsky and Gogol
    Will you carry it from the market?

    Good for you!
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    1. -4
      30 December 2022 14: 19
      If Russia loses, then the inhabitants of this worthy country will mine uranium in mines with their bare hands, since the pot-heads are genetically sharpened to bring pain and torment to civilians
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  59. +5
    30 December 2022 10: 46
    Let's put it bluntly and briefly - they stole.
    Under Stalin, mass executions would have started long ago. And now I see how he did the right thing in relation to such a thief! The wind of history is already blowing away the debris deposited by enemies on his grave.
    1. +5
      30 December 2022 11: 40
      There is one thing, Stalin wanted to win, had the will and loved his country. Are you sure it's the same now?
      1. -3
        30 December 2022 14: 21
        We have nowhere to retreat, Moscow is behind us. Can you imagine what will happen here if Russia loses the Northern Military District. The living will envy the dead, as one of the commentators above correctly wrote.
      2. -1
        30 December 2022 15: 14
        There is one thing, Stalin wanted to win, had the will and loved his country. Are you sure it's the same now?

        Maybe they do, but they don’t have a mind like Stalin’s.
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  62. +2
    30 December 2022 10: 58
    There is a lot that is fair. Especially hope for foreign equipment. Although how and what to make from if everything you have was destroyed. The same machine tool industry disappeared almost as an industry.
    But there is also a Strange approach. Make it easier through electronics, and will electronics make it much easier? This is not armor. There is no comprehensive approach. In 1938, we took a more comprehensive approach, creating all the missing elements of future equipment and factories at once. There is hope that if it shows a good result in the sample compared to the T-90, then we can adjust and develop what is missing, but already our own.
    About the PRP-4A "Argus". Why does the author think that they will not shoot at it and will not be discovered, but the Armata will be discovered and will definitely be shot at? Of course, the Argus costs less, but it is also less protected. Moreover, the Armata has less time to make decisions time, since he can immediately destroy some of the targets himself.
  63. +1
    30 December 2022 10: 59
    The development of such projects is necessary and important. It is where concepts are born and tested.
    And the T14 now, with the availability of the serial T90MS, is not as important as a heavy infantry fighting vehicle (which we never had) We need a “7 roller bogie for all types of vehicles and superstructures. Accordingly, the country also needs a 1500-2000 hp Diesel, because . V92 has reached its maximum 1180 hp. And for now, and 30 years in the future, we need a tank fleet of T90M. One model. With the installation of a 2A82 125mm gun and KAZ, this vehicle will be relevant for a long time.
    1. 0
      30 December 2022 15: 57
      Sore point: DIESEL 1500-1800 hp.
      Why is it needed? A gas turbine engine of a given volume together with a hydrostatic transmission will produce at least 3000 hp!
      Cost-effective? But what the hell is it if you are not going to make a 500 km breakthrough? Yes, and with weight/volume additional fuel + gas turbine engine 2000 hp. will cover the same range.
      And the T-14 needs to go into battle, as they say, “figure out who you are, a coward or the chosen one of fate.” Otherwise we will wait for some brilliant tank without fear or reproach.
  64. +8
    30 December 2022 11: 03
    After this article, I became even more convinced that 1937 and other years were vitally necessary, otherwise we would not have won the war. Shoot, imprison for long periods, there is no other way. I have anxious thoughts about the future, the Russian army turned out to be a colossus with feet of clay .Nuclear club? As the attacks on the strategic aviation base showed, not everything is in order there.
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      1. +4
        30 December 2022 13: 39
        I completely agree with you, my thoughts are the same. Then everything is really bad. And really, if there’s a mess everywhere, then why will there be order there? It looks like they’ve screwed up the country..
  65. +3
    30 December 2022 11: 26
    but everyone received prizes and awards... that’s the point
  66. -3
    30 December 2022 11: 30
    Roman’s syllable is depressing from the first line. But in the case of armatures, it is necessary to do it, even on the knee. Another question is that there are no prospects in sight.
  67. +3
    30 December 2022 11: 37
    But for this it was necessary to invest money in industry. Repurpose those same 200 factories that would begin to produce components and spare parts for hundreds of Armatas.
    First, these factories must be pulled out of private hands, i.e. - nationalize all defense industry enterprises in general, remove them from the threat of bankruptcy, and selling them for pennies to various hucksters, and much more to do in organizational terms, and then we can hope, I repeat - hope, that something similar to what has no analogues we may appear. sad
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    1. 0
      30 December 2022 14: 17
      How many of these tales can be told to an ignorant public. Soviet technology was one of the best in the world, despite the achievements of other countries, incl. in electronics. It is impossible to build technological chains limited to one country; this is a path to failure. This did not happen in the USSR. The question is management competencies, when it is necessary to choose what to borrow and what to “import to replace” and the quality of managers. Soviet managers, when they could not do it themselves, honestly gave the task to the GRU and received technology. Trade with Europe under the current policy is a factor destroying the development of Russia. We must survive this time, end the Nazis in Ukraine and correct the historical mistake, i.e. will return to Europe as an ally of Germany, not the Anglo-Saxons.
      1. 0
        1 January 2023 07: 59
        End the Nazis in Ukraine??? But what about the transit of oil, gas, ammonia? What about the unpunished theft of the Russian military budget? If we wanted to end Nazism in Ukraine, we should have ended it on March 1st.
      2. -1
        2 January 2023 17: 32
        And how did you plan to ally with Germany? Maybe give them Kaliningrad? Or immediately the Urals? In 1941, it was necessary to be friends with Germany, not to fight. So we made a mistake.
  69. +3
    30 December 2022 11: 52
    Quote: glory1974
    We still have a military system from the Second World War interspersed with equipment from the early 21st century.

    In Russia today, the military system is closer to the times of Tsushima and the First World War, and not the Second World War.
    And the Armata, in its concept, is more reminiscent of the royal battleships, or the “Royal Tiger” of the Wehrmacht, and not the T-34.
    1. +4
      30 December 2022 16: 04
      The Royal Tiger and Jagdtiger fully fulfilled their purpose, hindering the advance of enemy mechanized troops due to their indestructible frontal projection and powerful (Royal Tiger) or ultimate (Jagdtiger) weapons. They gave the Third Reich three or four extra months, allowed it to reincarnate as the Federal Republic of Germany and, in the end, allowed post-war Germany to contribute to NATO.
  70. +7
    30 December 2022 11: 55
    I am only interested in one thing: why is the former speaker of the State Duma, who said that no one needs your factories, we will buy everything over the hill for petrodollars, still not in jail under the article of treason?
    1. +1
      30 December 2022 16: 05
      Because the death penalty has been abolished in our country, and the rest is insignificant compared to what was done.
  71. -4
    30 December 2022 12: 01
    I wonder what our grandfathers would have written about the T-34 in 1941-1942. I smell the same article. The B-2 became famous after the war, and until 1943 this engine was developed, suffered and spat on. If you’re interested, you can read about what the service life was in 1940 and what it became during the war.
    About the fact that the tank will glow, it’s true, but how much everything will glow at that moment, the Kharmovs won’t have enough, and they’ll shoot them down quite well. In addition, for some inexplicable reason, towed artillery is alive and active in the NVO zone, on both sides. And the cry on the Military Review was that she couldn’t live even five minutes on the battlefield, but she lived...
    The only and main reason why the T-14 did not go into large production was the price and qualifications of the tank crews. For now, this is a real working demonstrator for the future and, apparently, will remain so for now.
    I’d really like to read the author’s devastating article about the Leopard 2A7. If you smear it with shit, then do it all at once.
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    1. -3
      31 December 2022 18: 38
      What's better? Two T-90m tanks are hit by 2-3 javelins. And Armata will probably reject them all.
    2. -1
      2 January 2023 17: 25
      Better 203 mm or 280 mm rifled ones. 152 is not enough for modern warfare. And two more 57 mm guns for fighting infantry and lightly armored targets. And also a launcher for 6 UAVs for reconnaissance and guidance. And also a troop compartment for the escort squad.
  73. +2
    30 December 2022 12: 14
    The author doesn’t know anything for certain, but he made a stuffing. Did site traffic drop before New Year's Eve? Need some help on the forum? In general, as they said before, kg/am
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    1. 0
      30 December 2022 14: 24
      So I just hope that those who do this also understand everything.

      That’s why they don’t accept Armata into service and don’t give this “miracle” the green light. I'm talking about military experts in the Ministry of Defense.
  75. +11
    30 December 2022 12: 41
    For 30 years, working professions have not been honored. Vocational schools have fallen asleep. come to any machine-building plant, you will see a sad picture of the personnel - among the workers, 50% are people well over 40, 30% are pre-retirees and working pensioners. the rest are casual, temporary workers - mostly women on maternity leave, students from the street - without a profession or experience. but in the IT there are only young people under 30! and not a single one has a specialized education! all as one managers. The word master has become synonymous with administrator. None of them know how to solve production problems in principle. But they are very good at licking the ass of higher management and transmitting their will to their subordinates - peredasty. So how to work with this staff? what “own” developments could there be? what domestic microcircuits if no one knows Ohm's law? So it's much worse, much deeper. If there were radio amateurs in the USSR, now they are looked at as fools - why the hell do you do it yourself if you can buy it? So with military equipment it has reached the point of nonsense - they are using weapons and equipment produced by a potential enemy on domestic ones!!! And it would be nice if these were trophies, these are government purchases...
    1. +3
      31 December 2022 00: 25
      You need to pay normally, and everything will be held in high esteem. Otherwise they don’t want to pay, and then they get offended that people don’t come
  76. +7
    30 December 2022 12: 49
    Sometimes you just can’t wrap your head around the frenzy with which defense enterprises go bankrupt and are scrapped, since they stand on very tasty plots of land. At the same time, the “defective managers” in ministerial offices have the sacred confidence that everything they need can simply be taken from the warehouse. And the question: where does all this come from in the warehouse plunges these “defective managers” into a stupor.
  77. +4
    30 December 2022 12: 53
    A good tank is one that is, and cannot be. The problem of damage to sighting and viewing devices is solved:
    1. Using armored periscopes - raised/lowered. It's harder to get into a tube from above than into a bunch of optics on a tower. She will also look from above.
    2. Using armored shields - it is not critical whether the sensor works for 1 second or 4 if it illuminates the target. But it lives 4 times longer.
    3. Using the old idea of ​​a drone on a wire, or better without a wire, communicating via radio, or better yet, a laser: top view, difficult to get into, you can work from behind bushes/ravines. Optionally - you shoot down a drone, a new one takes off, or you work according to your neighbor’s data.
  78. BAI
    -4
    30 December 2022 13: 03
    1.
    But can the Russian army have, say, two hundred at its disposal? These are two tank regiments, that is, practically a tank division. Shock, since these breakthrough machines can try to have a significant impact on the state of affairs in the Northern Military District.

    The whole problem is that mass production of the Armata is now impossible for many reasons.

    again 25. And again I ask the author a question: Which battalion Armat saw and showed in his program V. Soloviev with the words - the battalion is undergoing combat coordination at the training ground before being sent to the North Military District zone? At the same time, he climbed inside and confirmed that the tank was stuffed with electronics.

    2.
    How long do you think all this splendor will last under fire?

    But this is a fair question. Everything that protrudes beyond the turret and hull (except the cannon) will be demolished. This already took place near Moscow in 1941 using the example of Lieutenant Gudz’s KV-1.

    3. The tank is designed to fight an obviously weaker enemy, on the one hand, and in general, there is no invulnerable equipment, on the other.
  79. -2
    30 December 2022 13: 08
    You can argue and reason endlessly. Let's wait and see whether the T-14 will truly become a production tank and whether it will appear in the required quantities in the army.
  80. +4
    30 December 2022 13: 31
    Yes, we don’t need Armata in the first place, but modern armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles with adequate armor since the time of Afghanistan, the issue of protecting motorized rifles has not been resolved, how many losses could have been avoided if the army had well-protected equipment and not these plywood coffins on which everyone rides on top, artillery just to work on such targets, a shell fell nearby and cut everyone with shrapnel, and they began to send the same armored personnel carrier 82 into battle, although this is a bus to the battlefield, consider it to have no armor, this is generally a crime, we have a huge number of trained crews in reserve, equipment can be produced, and people, how many vocational schools were closed after the collapse of the USSR, where we will look for personnel, also concerns officers, military departments were closed and now during mobilization there are not enough officers, although they warned that this should not be done, in general there is something wrong with the Ministry of Defense, they know about the problems but do not solve them....
  81. -3
    30 December 2022 14: 03
    What (or who?) is preventing us from installing a turbine or two diesel engines and other options. There are examples in history when a whole line of engines was installed on one tank, even paired ones, and they weren’t complex like chicks. And who said that engines from World War II from the Thirty-four are somehow reliable. My bulldozer driver cursed the tank motor installed on the DET-250. As the hero of the famous film comedy said, “When it’s not too tight, you’ll get too excited.”
  82. 0
    30 December 2022 14: 39
    The armata has a problem area - the turret, and I think it is very inconvenient for the crew; no one thought about pinching the nerves of the spine. That's why he didn't go into series. It may be good, but it needs to be modified to meet the needs of the crew, which no one thought about when developing the tank. And why ours don’t make large tanks like the Abrams with good protection is unclear.
    Personally, I don’t like the Armata tank; I wouldn’t want to sit in the crew’s seat when, if something gets stuck, there’s no way to turn around. His tower is not protected by anything, there is no dynamic protection. Have you seen the tanks that come out of battle, their entire turret is often broken, parts of the dynamic protection have flown off.
    Everyone understands that he shouldn’t be sent there. To be captured by the enemy.
  83. 0
    30 December 2022 14: 46
    If we talk about the engine, the old engines can withstand a blow to the tower, but it is not known how the new ones will behave. They were not designed to withstand strong impacts on armor. The engine may simply stall in combat. Did the Armata fire at them, did they check whether they could withstand shell strikes?
    1. D16
      +4
      30 December 2022 17: 59
      If we talk about the engine,

      To put it mildly, Skomorokhov lied about the engine. Before becoming the A-85-3A, it was in the eighties in the form of the A-85-2. This was its sixteen cylinder version. Tested on ob.187. Based on the test results, it was recommended to shorten it to a 12-cylinder version. So it was originally created as a tank diesel engine and had nothing to do with gas pumping stations. There is no need for such a dense layout. The products of the Kolomna plant are more suitable for them.
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    1. +2
      30 December 2022 15: 19
      Ride on the field, like Smesharik. Better yet, take off your armor, it won’t help
      1. -1
        30 December 2022 15: 23
        Something takes you from one extreme to another. This is not good, it is not constructive.
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    1. -1
      30 December 2022 15: 37
      The story with the conveyor belt is just for the advocates of basing the military-industrial complex on private companies competing with each other.
    2. 0
      10 January 2023 00: 31
      There may be a conveyor belt, but electronics are unlikely to be produced on it. And without electronics, it is comparable to the T-90M in terms of all its characteristics.
  86. +1
    30 December 2022 15: 33
    The article is a little difficult to read due to Skomorokhov’s not the most concise and structured language. But the essence of the article is true - there will be no T-14 Armata, because most of the systems that this platform and tank consists of, our industry is not capable of producing, or producing on an industrial scale. There is no point in having a tank if it is hand-built and is produced in a quantity of 20 units per year (relatively speaking).

    And since the development and power of the military-industrial complex is a continuation of the development and power of the WHOLE economy and industry. And since the only industry in it that has not degraded is resource extraction. There are also problems with the armature. The military power of a state is impossible without industrial power!
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  88. +3
    30 December 2022 17: 10
    Well, that is. as a summary: will go to parades for a long time
    1. -1
      30 December 2022 17: 29
      The Armata, like no other tank, is suitable for modification for remote control, that is, control is carried out from another special tank within line of sight, or from a stationary point through a drone repeater, then the size of the Armata can be sharply reduced, for example, reducing the number of rollers from seven to five and use a lighter engine
      1. 0
        30 December 2022 18: 28
        Vaughn will show it in real life, but it’s useless to argue
      2. DO
        -1
        30 December 2022 18: 51
        agond, any existing tank can be modified for remote control.
        This is me to the fact that:
        1) it is advisable to test an externally controlled tank today in the Northern Military District;
        2) today in the series it is not Armata, but other tanks;
        3) to formulate adequate requirements for a future unmanned tank on the Armata platform, combat experience in using its simpler prototypes is needed - otherwise you will end up with a meaningless craft like today’s Armata as it is.
    2. +1
      31 December 2022 18: 37
      Why don’t we produce 20 pieces a year?
  89. -1
    30 December 2022 17: 24
    Let's say we have parts and microelectronics to equip a couple of hundred T-14 tanks.
  90. -3
    30 December 2022 17: 30
    The tank is good, but we can’t mass produce it
  91. +3
    30 December 2022 17: 38
    I can already unmistakably determine who is the author of this “masterpiece” by the depressing title. lol
  92. +1
    30 December 2022 17: 39
    Quote: erased
    Who will be responsible for the failure of the project and the collapse of defense? Nobody.
    Who will ensure the reconstruction of the military-industrial complex and take responsibility for the result? Nobody.
    Who will reverse the unsuccessful course of the Special Warfare and win? ...
    And who will survive in the vastness of the Russian Federation in the event of total defeat and collapse of the country? ...

    And the living will envy the dead...


    Yawned, thanks laughing
  93. +1
    30 December 2022 17: 44
    From the first line I understood whose opus it was. As always, Roman took a few facts, quite left-wing ones at that, spiced them up with propaganda and his own fantasies, passed off as someone’s plans and promises, and voila - the devastating thing is ready :). Well, well, the money has dropped, so it’s normal....
    1. 0
      30 December 2022 18: 35
      “I understand whose opus this is,” to be honest: our Roma likes to exaggerate
      I always remember: “boss, everything is gone. The plaster is being removed tomorrow.”
      Gaidai's films are a delight. He had nothing empty
  94. +3
    30 December 2022 17: 57
    "will definitely send"
    They are already participating in hostilities. My son saw them. I don't know how many there are.
    But I specifically asked about the T 72 B3 (there was a lot of negativity about them on the website).
    My son praises him very much. One of the most advanced tanks.
    Sorry, but I believe my son more: HE IS FIGHTING THERE
    1. +1
      31 December 2022 18: 34
      Almaty is not there. Yours probably doesn’t even know what it is.
      1. 0
        16 February 2023 15: 31
        You can see clearly from here, but your son can’t see it there?
        My son graduated from Kazan and he is now fighting there, and you?
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    1. -1
      30 December 2022 18: 25
      Yes, God bless him and all his comrades
    2. +1
      31 December 2022 01: 03
      And I read that the Marines respected the SVT.
  96. 0
    30 December 2022 18: 45
    "Armata" will not be. You can disperse

    ...I immediately agreed to separate and separated, that is, separated...
  97. +6
    30 December 2022 18: 54
    Armata will not join the troops, that’s for sure! And not because of the lack of components, reliability, or high cost. The Tiger was also not the pinnacle of reliability and super expensive compared to the T4, but it fought! reluctantly, but he fought because it was appropriate. Armata was created for the battle of the future (this is where there is a common digital battlefield, satellites, drones, tanks, infantry, all in a common system), which is what the Americans are doing now. Now look at the “modern” digital control we have in the Northern Military District. This is the same thing what about taking the most expensive sniper rifle and going into hand-to-hand combat with it. First of all, you need to create a system and a weapon for it, as the same Americans do, that’s why their Abrams is still being modernized. They don’t yet see the point of creating an analogue of Almaty and putting it into production for now they won’t fix the system. But here, as usual, the tail rules the dog hi
  98. -1
    30 December 2022 18: 57
    In fact, no one needs an engine that consumes fuel. What are three tankmen doing there? They don't do anything. Bring the pedals to their feet and let them push them with their feet. If the bicycle is rolling, then the tank can roll on the tracks, the main thing is not to slow down and nervously push the pedals. The benefit is fuel savings, no exhaust, no sound, quiet running. If silencers are installed on the rest of the equipment, the sound of a shot from a cannon and the rest of the firearm will be inaudible. Go behind enemy lines and destroy them for your own pleasure. There is no need for fuel, but shells and other shooters will need to be replenished. But here it will already be possible to use throwing weapons. It will be possible to throw bricks, stones, bags of cement. He waved a bag of cement and the enemy went blind. And if the cement was exposed to rain or urine before throwing, then the enemy is defeated. They won't be able to tear this cement off the tank. And there are plenty of these weapons where construction is going on. You can come up with something else so that this tank could literally remove the tracks from enemy tanks on the move, and tie together guns and so on, maybe weld the tank hatches on the move, let them go and surrender themselves if they want to live. Of course, I alone will not be able to pull all this improvement onto a new tank. But I feel in my gut that there are people who can do this. You can grab bonuses and other things, or transfer them to kindergartens. There are people who made such a tank, sheer beauty, then there are others who will bring it to mind.
    1. -2
      31 December 2022 18: 34
      )))) just 5 points. This wretched article evoked approximately the same associations for me.
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  100. -6
    30 December 2022 19: 19
    I'm proud of Armata! We are the best! There are no analogues! Glory to Special Operations!