Nothing changes: The rhetoric of the Kyiv authorities in 1918 and today

Whenever Moscow's influence in Ukraine wanes for one reason or another, nationalists invariably come to the fore, shouting about the "independence" of the territory and proclaiming the Russians as their enemies.

In 1918, when Ukraine, after the collapse of the Russian Empire, tried to proclaim its independence, there was a very significant episode confirming the above.

The Russian international journalist Pyotr Fedorov, during the program “Traces of the Empire”, cited as an example the memories of a Kiev resident who was a direct witness to the events of 1918.

It all happened at a meeting in the cinema hall "Ars" during a speech to the people of the so-called Minister of Finance.

He went to the ramp and began to listen to the rumble in the auditorium. There was laughter. The minister smiled with satisfaction, nodded to some of his thoughts and asked: “Muscovites?” The unsuspecting Russians, who were in the majority in the hall, answered in the affirmative. “Why the hell did you come here from your filthy Moscow? Like flies to honey. What didn't you see here? Do you have anything to eat there?" shouted the angry official.

- the journalist read out an excerpt from the memoirs.

Fortunately, the "independence" of Ukraine, proclaimed in 1918, did not last even a year.

However, according to another participant in the program, historian Alexander Krushelnitsky, this happened in 1991, after the collapse of the USSR. As the expert put it, such events always happen when difficult times come in Russia or its influence in Ukraine weakens. Then ardent nationalists from the western regions seize power in primordially Russian cities and begin to accuse Moscow of "all human sins."

It is worth adding that today story repeats. Since the 2014 coup d'état, ardent nationalists have again been "in charge" on the territory of our "western neighbor".

At one time, our government made a mistake, trying to build partnership, good neighborly relations with "independent" Ukraine. As history has shown, this state is able to coexist peacefully with Russia only while being part of it.

Comments

[tihonmarine]

Needless to say, history is repeating itself today. Since the 2014 coup d'état, ardent nationalists have again been "in charge" on the territory of our "western neighbor".

Perhaps it started earlier, immediately after the collapse of the USSR, with the arrival of Kravchuk, and already in 2004, after the "Orange Revolution" and the arrival of Yushchenko, Ukraine followed the path of "Petliurism", "Scropadism", "Banderaism" with a bunch of atamans and hetmen.

[Machito]

My aunt from Kyiv, purebred Russian, with a university education back in 1990 rode: Vilna Ukraine. Vilna Ukraine. Let's live. Let's get into it. Two years later, she crawled to my mother in Moscow with a proposal to sell Ukrainian cheese on the market and store it in our apartment. Was immediately sent to Independence.
The environment is like that. Pan head.

[Reindeer]

This is not from memoirs, but from Paustovsky's "Violet Ray" (I'll just correct it for the sake of form). By the way, a lot of other things are written there, and there are a lot of coincidences with today - well, sooooooo much :) I recommend that you read it :)

[Andrey Moskvin]

The West will squeeze everything possible out of the confrontation between the Russian Federation and Ukraine, while it still exists. No one in the world believes that it will remain an independent state.

[PipeSmoker]

Truly said. Author. You would say that it was written by the writer Paustovsky.

[KTM-5]

Ukraine as a state should not exist at all. Southwestern Federal District of the Russian Federation. And that's it. So that never again will these territories rebel and be used by the West against the Russian World.

[Eugene Zaboy]

So to speak. The events of 1991 and 1917 were predetermined in the late 70s-80s of the last century. The catastrophic volume of customs smuggling, which later developed into guildry, was the catalyst. It was these people, who stole mountains of money and entangled border regions with corruption, who financed the separatist movements in Ukraine and other regions. The fear of inevitable punishment for the crimes committed pushed the criminals to make decisions aimed at secession from Russia. They saw in this the salvation of their freedom and deliverance from a miserable life in constant fear. Their hopes, quite justifiably, were based on the examples of other territories that have successfully passed this path and turned Russia into a cash cow. These same territories financed the separatists for their own benefit. So that the regions do not scatter, the economic model of the taxpaying state should ensure the priority development of the regions within Russia, including citizens. No need to make friends at a loss, you will live worse than a neighbor who will despise you, for your own money. This applies to autonomies within Russia, the more freedom, the less likely it is to receive funding from the country's budget and more deductions to the Russian budget. Stretching legs over clothes. Unfortunately, these principles run counter to the interests of large companies implementing large infrastructure projects abroad and in autonomies. For them, a short-term stop is tantamount to bankruptcy.

[zenion]

Eugene Zaboy. You might think that if there are elections in Rus', then the people govern. As it was for the king, exactly the same now, money rules again. Whoever has more money, he rules. And the people will be ruled by the one who will be put on the throne by people who have a lot of money. People are killed for their money. But not those whose money it is.

[Ivanov IV]

"Nothing changes".....
Some bastards, replaced by others.
You don't need to change, but eliminate.