The result of reforming the monetary allowance of military personnel in 2012 year

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We continue the theme of changes in the monetary allowance of servicemen, begun in the last issue of the newspaper "MIC". The most significant event in the reform of the monetary allowance of recent years was the entry into force on January 1 of 2012 of the federal law “On the allowance of military personnel and the provision of separate payments to them”. In accordance with the aforementioned document and Resolution No. 5 of December 2011 of the Government of the Russian Federation, adopted on its basis, No. 992 “On the establishment of salaries for servicemen undergoing military service under the contract”, both the basic allowance of military personnel and the amount of military pensions increased significantly .

The entry into force of this law was accompanied by an unprecedented PR. First, more than a year before the beginning of the law, the highest level began to sound (and did not stop until December 2011) public promises to increase at times the level of military labor, as well as the relevant instructions to state bodies and individual officials. Secondly, the very next day after the signing of the aforementioned law, the overwhelming majority of the mass media, including the government-owned Rossiyskaya Gazeta, published messages under similar headings: “President Dmitry Medvedev signed the law“ On the allowance of military personnel and the provision of certain payments to them ” “From January 1 2012, the monetary allowance for military personnel will be increased by 2,5 – 3 times.”

The law is, with payments unclear

At the same time, apparently, deliberately (after all, it is difficult to suspect all journalists who have written on this subject of incompetence and unfamiliarity with the text of the regulatory legal act about which they report) was silent that the federal law “On the monetary allowance of military personnel and the provision of certain payments to them "Did not raise the money allowance at all (he only ordered the government of the Russian Federation to establish uniform salary levels for military ranks, salary levels for typical military posts of military personnel, passing their military service under the contract, and salary according to standard military posts of servicemen undergoing military service). On the contrary, the aforementioned law and the federal law “On Amendments to Certain Legislative Acts of the Russian Federation and Recognition of Certain Provisions of Legislative Acts of the Russian Federation” adopted on the same day in connection with the adoption of the Federal Law “On the monetary allowance of military personnel and the provision of certain payments” of the Federal Law “On Social Guarantees for Employees of the Internal Affairs Bodies of the Russian Federation and Amendments to Certain Legislative Acts of the Russian Federation” tmenyali a number of payments and in-kind benefits for servicemen. Below is an incomplete list. To assess the change in the real wage of military labor, it is necessary to calculate not only the change in the absolute value of the money allowance, but also the value expression of the abolished benefits.

1. The payment to servicemen undergoing military service under the contract, conscientiously acting as military service, according to the results of the calendar (academic) year of a lump-sum monetary remuneration in the amount of three payroll salaries has been canceled.

2. The payment of the monthly allowance for complexity, tension and a special regime of military service, which among other things bore the function of monetary compensation for previously canceled in-kind benefits, was canceled.

3. The relative amount of the long-term service premium has been significantly reduced, in particular, the length of service has been increased, at which this supplement starts to be paid (from six months to two years) and its maximum value is reduced (from 70 to 40 percent of the salary).

4. In fact, the salary supplements for the positions of associate professor and professor, academic degrees of candidate and doctor of science for military personnel serving in the scientific and teaching staff of military educational institutions of higher professional education have been canceled. The result is an absurd situation. The Federal Law “On Higher and Postgraduate Vocational Education” (Section 5 Art. 30) establishes that faculty members of higher educational institutions are paid premiums for official salaries in the amount of 40 percent for an associate professor position, 60 percent for a professor position, 3000 rubles - for the degree of Candidate of Science, 7000 rubles - for the degree of Doctor of Science. The federal law “On the monetary allowance of servicemen and the provision of separate payments to them” does not prohibit the payment of the above-mentioned allowances. However, they are not actually paid from 1 January 2012.

In the reference book on the types of cash allowance payments published on the website of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, these allowances are not listed even among those planned for introduction.

Note that according to the available information - this order was issued with the note “For official use”, it was not sent to the financial authorities, it was not communicated to the personnel and was not used in practice (as of June 2012), therefore the content of the order It is presented here on the basis of unofficial sources - a certain similarity of the mentioned payments was introduced by order of the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation of 21 in March 2012 of the year No. 500, namely: when determining the amount of the monthly allowance for special achievements in the service, the availability of An employee of a scientific degree, as well as his occupation as a professor or associate professor. However, it was established that the total amount of the allowance (taking into account the above, as well as all other grounds) can not exceed one hundred percent of the official salary. Consequently, if a soldier will have the right to establish a special allowance for special achievements in the service on other grounds (for example, a good level of physical fitness), then the amount of extra pay for a degree and the position of professor and assistant professor will be reduced, possibly to zero. not to exceed the mentioned limit.

5. Canceled payments for the acquisition of essential property, which had previously been made in the amount of up to 12 monthly salary. For the military post "Commander of a tank (motorized rifle) platoon" (10-th tariff category) and military rank "Lieutenant" payment was 70 764 rubles. If we consider that this benefit was provided once during the service, then its size, distributed over 20 years, may seem rather insignificant (about 300 rubles per month of military service).

6. The right to preferential payment for sanatorium-resort treatment and organized recreation in sanatoriums, rest homes, boarding houses, children's health camps, and tourist bases of the Ministry of Defense has been abolished. Earlier, the military paid 25 percent, and their family members 50 percent of the cost of the voucher. At the same time, payment to contract servicemen in uniformed and permanently prepared military units at positions to be recruited by soldiers, sailors, sergeants and foremen, and entering military service under contract after 1 in January 2004 of the year, cash compensation instead of sanatorium-and-rescue service, was canceled at the same time treatment and organized recreation.

Table 1
The result of reforming the monetary allowance of military personnel in 2012 year


The average cost of a trip to a sanatorium in the Ministry of Defense in 2012 is 26 000 rubles. If we assume that, in addition to the serviceman, only one family member used the right to sanatorium-and-spa treatment, the monetary value of losses as a result of the abolition of this benefit will be 32 500 rubles per year (75 percent of the cost of a voucher for a soldier and 50 percent - for a member of his family) or 2708 rubles per month.

7. The annual payment of monetary compensation in the amount of 600 rubles to the soldier himself and 300 rubles to his spouse and each minor child has been canceled. For a family with two children, the value of this payment was 1500 rubles per year or 125 rubles per month.

8. The annual payment to servicemen for paying the cost of their children's vouchers aged from six and a half to 15 inclusive in organizing recreation and recreation for children in the amount of up to 10 800 rubles for each child has been canceled.

9. The payment of a lump sum in case of the dismissal of servicemen under contract has been canceled due to their recognition as unfit for military service as a result of illness received by them in the performance of their duties, in the amount of 60 salaries. For servicemen on military service, this allowance is reduced from 133 260 rubles to 50 000.

For example, for a soldier occupying the post of commander of a tank (motorized rifle) battalion and having the military rank of "Lieutenant Colonel", the amount of such allowance until January 1 2012 was 448 260 rubles.

10. Canceled payment for the maintenance of children of military personnel in kindergartens. Previously, its size was 80 percent paid by parents on the first and second, 90 percent - on the third and subsequent children.

11. The right of servicemen undergoing military service under the contract to travel free of charge to the places of use of main and additional holidays has been revoked. At the same time, servicemen undergoing military service under contract in formations and military units of constant readiness at posts to be recruited by soldiers, sailors, sergeants and foremen, and entering military service under contract after 1 January 2004, have been canceled the payment of the corresponding monetary compensation.

The right to travel free of charge once a year to the place of use of the main leave and back is reserved for servicemen serving in areas with adverse climatic or environmental conditions, as well as in the territory of the Ural, Siberian and Far Eastern federal districts. Even for the above categories, benefits are not fully preserved.

12. The payment to citizens who have a total duration of military service from 15 to 20 years and who were dismissed when they reach the age limit for military service, state of health or due to organizational and non-retirement activities, has been canceled for a period of five years in the amount of 40 percent of the amount of salary for the total duration of military service 15 years and an additional three percent of the amount of salary for each year over 15 years. Instead of this category of servicemen, for only a year after the dismissal, the payment of salary for military rank was maintained.

We will analyze the losses from the cancellation of this payment on the example of the same average officer in the battalion commander's position, in the military rank of “Lieutenant Colonel”, who has 18 years of service at the time of dismissal from military service. The amount of the allowance that would be paid to him before 1 in January 2012 of the year was 3661 rubles per month or 219 647 rubles for the entire five-year statutory period for this payment. This amount must be reduced by the amount stipulated by current legislation in the amount of salary for military rank during the year from the date of dismissal. For the officer in question, its value is 144 000 rubles, that is, losses will amount to 75 647 rubles.

13. Since January 1, 2015 has been canceled the payment of compensation in the amount of actually paid land tax and personal property tax to citizens who have been discharged from military service after they reach the age limit for their stay, state of health or in connection with organizational and staff activities 20 service years and more.

Currently there is no reliable information about what the value of the mentioned taxes will be in 2015 year.

The abolition of a number of payments that do not have intelligible goals for their introduction (except for the desire not to increase the size of military pensions with an increase in the money allowance), with a simultaneous increase in salaries and salaries has long been overdue and cannot be assessed otherwise as positive. This applies to monthly cash incentives, monthly surcharges for complexity, tension, and special military service regime. The size of the service premium has also become more balanced (in fact, he returned to the previously established in the USSR Armed Forces and in the 90s in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation). Salaries for military posts and military rank again became dominant in the money allowance.

Therefore, this list is given here only to demonstrate, to put it mildly, the dishonesty or incompetence of many media outlets, which have declared as a fait accompli a threefold increase in the money allowance a month before the release of the relevant regulatory documents. The real income growth of many servicemen since January 1, 2012, was absent altogether, and in those cases where it actually took place, it was not three- or even double, and was measured by percentages comparable to the consumer price increase index. The loss of the average officer from canceling a number of in-kind benefits from 1 in January of 2012 was approximately 9100 rubles per month (sum of 9 – 16 lines in the 2 table).

Income and benefits

Table 2


In further calculations, we will not take into account losses from the abolition of monthly social benefits to citizens who have been dismissed without the right to retirement, who have 15 years of service or more, as well as a lump-sum benefit when dismissing servicemen under contract to be rendered unsuitable for military service. on health. The refusal to take into account these payments is due to the fact that simultaneously with the cancellation of the said benefits, the size of the number of payments within the framework of the compulsory state social insurance of life and health of military personnel was increased, as well as the absolute amount of the monthly allowance dismissed without the right to retirement in the amount of military salary one year from the date of dismissal. Excluding losses from the abolition of these benefits, the average officer lost 1 2012 rubles a month from 6850 in January XNUMX.

Now we’ll find out how the total allowance of a soldier has changed since that date. In order not to overload the material with calculations, we will give their result for one average soldier, whom we considered above. Recall that this is a lieutenant colonel serving in the city of Moscow or the Moscow region, having 18 years of service, occupying the post of commander of a tank (motorized rifle) battalion, having two children: a schoolboy and a preschool age.

As of December 2011, the size of his cash allowance was 60 843 rubles. These include the following payments:

salary for military rank (3034 rubles);
salary for military posts (4437 rubles);
Monthly surcharge for complexity, tension and special military service regime (7099 rubles);
monthly cash incentives (4437 rubles);
long service interest rate (3736 rubles);
monthly interest allowance for military personnel admitted to state secret on a permanent basis (1331 ruble);
financial assistance (1 / 12 annual size - 1245 rubles);
monthly extra charge for command (leadership) of military units and military units (400 rubles);
monetary reward for class qualifications (for the first class - 355 rubles);
annual monetary compensation in the amount of 600 rubles for the serviceman himself and 300 rubles for the serviceman’s spouse and each minor child (1 / 12 annual size - 125 rubles);
award for exemplary performance of military duty (1 / 3 of the maximum size of a quarterly award - 1868 rubles);
lump-sum monetary remuneration for conscientious performance of military service duties (1 / 12 of the maximum annual remuneration - 1868 rubles);
additional payment stipulated by the order of the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation dated 26 July 2010 of the year No. 1010 (in the amount of one third of the calculated value for the IV quarter 2011 of the year - 40 000 rubles).



The amount received is reduced by the value of the personal income tax - 9092 rubles.

The calculation of the monetary allowance received in 2012 was made on the basis of the provisions of the order of the Minister of Defense of December 30 from 2011, 2700. At the same time, the said order was returned by the Ministry of Justice without state registration (letter of the Ministry of Justice of Russia dated 12 in March 2012 of the year No. 01 / 17687-DK). In accordance with the rules for the entry into force of regulatory legal acts of federal executive bodies, such an order shall not be applied as not having entered into force.

As a result, a legal vacuum has now formed. The Order of the Minister of Defense of 30 June 2006 of the Year No. 200 “On Approval of the Procedure for Providing Money Allowance for Military Personnel of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation” ceased to comply with higher-level regulatory legal acts (federal law “On monetary allowance for military personnel and providing them with certain payments” and adopted in accordance with regulations of the government of the Russian Federation), but not formally canceled. The order of the head of the military department of 30 December 2011 of the year No. 2700, designed to eliminate the existing gaps in legal regulation, has not entered into force and, most likely, will not enter into its existing form. The financial authorities of the Armed Forces are now forced to be guided in their work on the calculation of monetary allowances not by existing normative legal acts, but by telegrams, explanations, invalid acts of military authorities, in particular the order of the Minister of Defense from 30 of December 2011 of the year No. 2700 mentioned. In view of the above, the calculation presented here is also based on the content of the last order.

From January 1 2012, the same soldier began to receive 64 206 rubles. This amount is obtained by taking into account the following components of the monetary allowance:

salary for military rank (12 000 rubles);
salary for military positions (24 000 rubles);
long service interest rate (9000 rubles);
monetary reward for class qualifications (for the first class - 4800 rubles);
monthly supplement for special conditions of military service (7200 rubles);
Monthly allowance for work with information constituting a state secret (4800 rubles);
award for conscientious and effective performance of official duties (1 / 3 of the maximum size of a quarterly premium - 9000 rubles);
annual financial assistance (1 / 12 annual size - 3000 rubles).


The total value is also reduced by the value of the personal income tax (9594 ruble).

Thus, without taking into account the loss in the amount of the cost of canceled in-kind benefits, the growth of the money allowance from 1 in January 2012 amounted to six percent for the officer in question (2011 60 843 in December, 2012 64 206 in December). If we take into account the loss in the cost of canceled benefits (6850 rubles), the total social security of such a soldier in January 2012 th decreased by about six percent compared to December 2011.

Table 1 shows the results of similar calculations for some common positions in the military. Note that for the analysis we have selected the positions of commanders tank (motorized rifle) units doing military service in the Moscow region, not taking part in combat duty and other special events that imply additional payment in the new system of monetary allowance.

As can be seen from the table, the most significant reduction in income occurs for the faculty of higher military educational institutions. First of all, this is due to the actual cancellation of the allowances for the posts of assistant professor and professor, academic degrees of candidate and doctor of science, academic title of professor and associate professor from 1 in January 2012 of the year. If the benefits had not been canceled, one could consider that the state had shown real care for its advocates.

The 2 table shows a list of social guarantees that were canceled during the period from 2002 to 2012 a year, indicating for the benefits provided in kind, their value expression.

A significant positive change in the payment of military labor was a very decent level of monetary allowances for servicemen performing tasks at risk to life and health, as well as in remote areas. So, the commander of a strategic missile submarine combat unit captain 2-rank, serving in the city of Severomorsk, on average, receives on hand 184 300 rubles per month. Unfortunately, in the event of his transfer to service in the military administration bodies (Navy Headquarters, General Staff) his salary may be halved. This may be a significant reason for refusing such a translation. Who then will be staffed by the highest military control bodies: company commanders and battalions from brigades near Moscow?

At the same time, considering the change in the social security system of servicemen from January 1, 2012, it is impossible to overlook such a positive moment as the long-awaited increase in the size of military pensions. For example, the battalion commander, a lieutenant colonel who retired from 22 service, received 2012 ruble pension before 6903, and from 1 in January 2012, its size amounted to 14 152 ruble, that is, for such a retiree from among former military personnel, the pension increased twice. At the same time, the majority of previously existing benefits were retained, only the payment of compensation in the amount of actually paid land tax and property tax on individuals was canceled (from January 1 2015 from the year).

In addition, the undoubted advantage of the reformed system of monetary allowances was the reduction of the corruption component of regulatory legal acts in this area. In particular, the commander’s right to redistribute large sums of money between subordinate servicemen without statutory criteria for such a decision is restricted. The voluntarism that took place earlier in this matter is replaced by a normative setting of the size and conditions of each of the payments.
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  1. Lavrik
    +3
    November 7, 2012
    This is called "increased salaries and incomes of military personnel"
  2. thatupac
    -4
    November 7, 2012
    So in our country, it seems, in the Army under a contract, and officers serve for the idea, for patriotism for the Motherland. Nope?
    1. -1
      November 7, 2012
      And then you got out. Admit it, did you take away the double bass from the woman?
  3. 0
    November 7, 2012
    In addition, the undoubted advantage of the reformed system of monetary allowances was the reduction of the corruption component of regulatory legal acts in this area. In particular, the commander’s right to redistribute large sums of money between subordinate servicemen without statutory criteria for such a decision is restricted. The voluntarism that took place earlier in this matter is replaced by a normative setting of the size and conditions of each of the payments.

    Here is the key phrase. This is anonymization of payments. The clerk in ERRC does not give a damn that in the Nth part, someone is friends with the brigade commander, someone is not. Etc. By the way, for the sake of interest, try to find out how you had to do dates in Yaroslavl before? And who was going there?
    1. thatupac
      +2
      November 7, 2012
      So what did you want? It is clear that the position of financier in the headquarters of the unit is very good. And accordingly, all funds are good to enter the Higher School of Education in this specialty. In particular, money is welcome to achieve this.
      1. +4
        November 7, 2012
        It was in the dates that the sons of the general and close ones went. And they had cover from above and could fearlessly loot loot sharing with whom it is necessary.
        By the way, look what split in the ranks of the officers gave the 400th order? Now everything is much calmer. And the number of Korean cars at the gates of the unit has soared.
  4. +2
    November 7, 2012
    There is one more "downside" side of the increase in salaries. Now many officers are trying by any means to stay in place. Considering that the practice of punishing the commander for the misdeeds of his subordinates is still present in the "new" appearance of the Armed Forces, the practice of en masse concealing the real state of affairs has also increased. And in order to prevent an emergency in units and subunits during the BP, this very training is significantly curtailed and simplified.
    1. +1
      November 7, 2012
      There is one more "downside" side of the increase in salaries.
      Exactly. BUT here the most important thing is that the corruption scheme was initially removed.
      Considering that the practice of punishing the commander for the misdeeds of his subordinates is still present in the "new" appearance of the Armed Forces, the practice of en masse concealing the real state of affairs has also increased. And in order to prevent an emergency in units and subunits during the BP, this very training is significantly curtailed and simplified.
      But from this in more detail or the OBS agency?
      From those comrades who serve as officers, they began to dryuch much deeper for the BP of the entrusted units.
      + To that, let's compare the number of exercises for the period 2000-2007 and from 2007 to 2012?
      1. +2
        November 7, 2012
        "Dryuchili" used to be, now, more often than not, they are simply removed from office and fired. Therefore, the people are silent, like partisans. An armored personnel carrier swooped down during a march on a lekgovushku - a battalion commander with a company commander in the national economy. On the next planned march, the equipment is driven in a circle of 3 km. , without obstacles and turning the steering wheel in one direction only. An emergency happened with a grenade - and the conscripts perform the exercise only with a training blank. And if earlier the nearest landfill rumbled day and night, now only from time to time. But on the "show" imitation is not spared.
        I also had officers familiar with the troops, I have someone to talk to. Their verdict - the level of training continues to decline.
        1. +1
          November 7, 2012
          I also had officers familiar with the troops, I have someone to talk to. Their verdict - the level of training continues to decline.
          OBS and write. Or is the reluctance of officers involved in drug preparation? Huh?
          So what's up with the teachings?
          Their verdict - the level of training continues to decline.
          And those who are responsible for preparation say this. Or should they just get non-acidic sn for nothing?
          1. +2
            November 7, 2012
            Well, you can't name these "OBS" officers, not that "weight" category. Level - brigade command and above.
            After the "reform," the operational preparation of the headquarters (which still remain) is carried out on paper (not on maps - on paper!). The formations and units of the Coastal Forces were transferred to the Fleet, and the BV Directorate was reduced by 100%. The naval commanders do not know what to do with the "land". BP in the units is not properly controlled - there are no appropriate specialists, BP plans exist as plans. Commander training at the level of platoon-company commanders went into oblivion. The military prosecutor's office almost every day examines in parts the complaints of the fighters (for whom it is very difficult), the commanders write explanations and investigations. A situation has developed when the commander is put in the position of always making excuses. Therefore, many prefer to serve calmly, by gravity. Without much effort, they conduct classes, carefully fill out magazines, write "victorious" reports and get good money.
            And I participated in the exercises myself, and later I prepared them myself. The current exercises are not an indicator; the Minister is coming to the exercises of the battalion! But BSV with a real result or a RTU is now more and more rare!
            1. +1
              November 7, 2012
              Level - brigade command and above.
              I mean, colonies and general majors.
              not on maps - on paper!
              to memorize definitely.
              Though on whatman paper or on A4 from the blueprint folder?
              BP in parts is not properly controlled - there are no relevant specialists
              At what level? ZTU, RTU, BTU. Up until BTU control is fully ensured by the commanders. Or are they shaking for their soft spot?
              BP plans exist as plans.
              Yeah and the officers and nobody else are to blame. Or they beat Serdyukov personally. so that they hammer a bolt on the PSU?
              Commander training of the level of platoon-company commanders went into oblivion
              Yes, suddenly acquaintances here recently returned from part X. We went to learn to fight in the mountains. Bida Bida.
              The military prosecutor’s office almost every day examines the complaints of soldiers (who are very difficult) in parts, the commanders write explanations and investigations.
              This is her job. And the work of officers, in particular, on working with personnel so that there are no problems. And constantly improve.
              Therefore, many people prefer to serve calmly, by gravity. Without much effort, they conduct classes, carefully fill out magazines, write "victorious" reports and get good money.
              And again in a circle 5
              this is the problem of the CONTRACTOR, not the system. Can you understand it or not?
              1. +2
                November 7, 2012
                The performer is good when he is prepared by a competent leader. The task of the combat training system.
                An officer can lead if he himself is well trained. The task of the military education and command training system. I personally took young lieutenants into the unit. Preparation is practically "zero", but everyone knows what they are entitled to by law.
                Work with personnel should not be elevated to the point of absurdity - adults who are able to answer for their actions come to the army. The punishment system (our Laws) should work here, and not only in relation to commanders.
                1. +1
                  November 7, 2012
                  The performer is good when he is prepared by a competent leader.
                  An officer can lead if he is well trained

                  In this case, if you take the summer, then this is the Higher School of Education and the School. So this is a VO problem and it appeared not yesterday and not the day before yesterday. She went back to the USSR when those who wanted to easily and not stressfully receive their salary went there to teach. and slowly grow in ranks.
                  Preparation is practically "zero", but everyone knows what they are entitled to by law.
                  It was everywhere like that and you yourself were (just do not have to tear the vest for yourself, try to figure out who you were in 21-22 years old and at 28-30 years old).
                  But now you have two leverage
                  cash reward for class qualification (for the first class - 4800 rubles)
                  award for conscientious and effective performance of official duties (1 / 3 of the maximum size of a quarterly premium - 9000 rubles);

                  I would make them more effective. But there is as it is. Understand how I line manager has long understood that people do not need to shout. We must beat them with the ruble and everything became a bunch. We don’t help each other. And I would also introduce general responsibility at the company / baht level.
                  Work with personnel should not be elevated to the point of absurdity - adults who are able to answer for their actions come to the army.
                  Ehh dreams dreams ...)))))
                  The punishment system (our Laws) should work here, and not only in relation to commanders.
                  How strange it works. Soldiers go not only to diesel but also to prison.
                  1. +2
                    November 7, 2012
                    Yes, as a young lieutenant, I was completely different, but I had effective knowledge gained in the Soviet military school behind me. I had honored people as commanders and teachers, many with combat experience (UGVTKU). I didn't know a lot, but I shot and drove perfectly. Physically I was much better prepared than each of the platoons entrusted to me. And I was also ready to learn. A year later, while still a lieutenant, I became a company commander. No, I don't have a general dad, I just "plowed" like a horse. The system of preparation and control over this preparation did not allow one to relax for a minute. And then someone would try to break this system, not to conduct a lesson or to conduct it on "write down".
                    And I was surprised when graduates of the military institute come to the unit and present themselves to the commander in red socks and crocodile leather boots. And even more I was surprised when conducting classes with them at the training camp for young officers. I did not even imagine such a show!
                    1. 0
                      November 8, 2012
                      I fully support! Everything is the same for me and my "little ones". Thanks.
                    2. 0
                      November 10, 2012
                      Fair. And the Yaroslavl school came from ordinary families, and not the generals' sons, as leon writes about.
                      Why the corrupt NTV is silent about such an "increase" in payments, probably thinks that the people do not need to know about it.
              2. +2
                November 7, 2012
                You, my dear, cannot understand the simplest thing! Well, so elementary that you recall Sherlock Holmes. If in one or ten military units of any level the plans are fake, the BP level is supported on paper, well, hereinafter, then the truth is yours - loafers and parasites have entrenched themselves. But if this happens universally, i.e. not in 1-10, but in 100 - 500 divisions, units and ships, then this, excuse me, SYSTEM and your opponent are right, but you are not. I see this mess every day, being inside the Navy (already as a civilian specialist, thank God). We went to the north for a monthly salary of eq. 500 US dollars (this is for the sake of comparison) and the level of training of the squadron ships, at the headquarters of which I had the honor to finish the service, was an order of magnitude higher than what is available now. Aren't you an hour political officer? Or from the prosecutor?
          2. +1
            November 7, 2012
            Quote: leon-iv
            So what's up with the teachings?

            and at the exercises, as expected, we continue to "smash" the conditional enemy ... feel
            he’s conditional ...
            1. 0
              November 7, 2012
              continue to "smash" the conditional enemy
              Yes, not for example acquaintances told (RKhBZ).
              Briefly introductory conditional terrorists deliver tactical nuclear strikes. All the horses were neighing.
        2. 0
          November 7, 2012
          "Dryuchili" used to be, now, more often than not, they are simply removed from office and fired. Therefore, the people are silent, like partisans. An armored troop-carrier flew during a march on a lekgovushku - a battalion commander with a company commander in the national economy.
          Such a battalion commander and stands on a citizen, since the soldiers can not help but teach, not throw grenades? Sense from him?
          But on the "show-off" imitation is not spared.
          And who shows these displays, if soldiers can only throw snowballs and ride in circles?
          1. +1
            November 7, 2012
            With the existing BP program (for one year) and taking into account that at first half of the fighters are “fattened up” for three months, bringing them to “condition”, it is really difficult to teach something. And the commander is not always to blame for the emergency - he did not teach, did not show, etc. Examples of this are the darkness!
            And on "show" the fighter only needs to run smoothly and loudly shout "hurray!" specially prepared simulation team. And hand-to-hand fighting shows specially prepared hand-to-hand combat group. Excellent shooting training demonstrate the combined officer crews. Is this news for you? Or have you seen a fighter who, after a year of service, drives perfectly, shoots excellently, is a good athlete and is simply a Russian military threat in the flesh?
            1. 0
              November 7, 2012
              three months "fattening up"
              Umm, what do you mean by that word?
              bringing to "condition", it is really hard to teach something.
              If the VUS is not complicated, then half a year is enough in part. For more difficult there are training.
              And the commander is not always to blame for the emergency - he did not teach, did not show, etc. Examples of this are darkness!
              Who. Who are the senior sergeants, foremen and officers.
              And at the “show” the fighter only needs to run smoothly and loudly shout “Hurray!”, The imitation of the battle is done by a specially trained imitation team. And the possession of hand-to-hand combat is shown by a specially trained group of hand-to-hand combat. Combined officer crews demonstrate excellent shooting training. Is this news to you? Or have you seen a fighter who, after a year of service, drives excellently, shoots well, is a good athlete and is simply a Russian military threat in the flesh?
              And again, who is to blame? OFFICERS who scored a bolt on the PSU and sitting exactly get a good RFP.
              1. +1
                November 7, 2012
                They feed those who are called "broilers", i.e. conscripted underweight personnel. It is forbidden to conduct classes in full with such types, it is regarded as a mockery.
                Not a complicated VUS - what is it? And the extremely "squeezed" BP program allows you not to teach, but only to acquaint you with the basics of military affairs.
                If a fighter got drunk on dismissal and committed a crime, then who is to blame? Sergeant and officer?
                But the bolt is driven in precisely because they realize the futility of fighting the system that has developed in the armed forces.
  5. +1
    November 7, 2012
    I served urgently just at a time when contentment was increasing. From 2010 to 2011. The officers walked as happy as cats. I saw with my own eyes (I worked with documents) salaries and similar articles now somehow look ridiculous.

    Is an officer off the beaten path receiving 60 monthly and 60 quarterly in his company, is this not enough? A sergeant is a kid 20 years old, 25-32 monthly and 32 quarterly, if he does not fly in front of his superiors. It is not enough? Given that in his village he will not find such a salary anywhere, and with all due respect, as if there are not enough stars from the sky and he has not been noted with special talents.

    Plus, we got such a part that in the Soviet years it was bigger and the military town as a result today is populated somewhere by 3/4. Those. no need to wait for an apartment, nor pay a lot of money for rent.
  6. +2
    November 7, 2012
    All the figures are quite real, the captain with a length of service of 24 g absolutely paid received 35 now 000. With the abolition of benefits despite a monthly increase in salary, the annual cash allowance decreases and this does not include the EDV for dismissal! Here comes the boost! am
    They added with one hand, took away with two. It was also in 2003 with teachers, mass media - the salary is increased by 33%, increased by 29%, but actually decreased by 200-500 rubles. The article is a big "+", but it doesn't really change anything.
    And who can explain the kozf. 54% for retirement, where did he come from and why not 20 or 80%?
  7. +1
    November 7, 2012
    This is called "increased salaries and incomes of military personnel"
    Plus, add the bill that is being considered by the State Duma to reduce tariff categories for contract workers. For many categories, this will also lead to a decrease in wages. Moreover, the lower the position, the more.
  8. -1
    November 7, 2012
    The only ones who won this promotion are we, military pensioners.
    1. +1
      November 7, 2012
      Well, if the transfer of a pension from the category of beggar to the category of a small one, and with the introduction of a castration coefficient of 0,54 for current pensioners, you consider to be a gain, then yes - you won.

      In fact, the pension to the military and law enforcement officers is not assigned by age, but as state compensation for the difficulty of service and voluntary restriction of civil rights. Of course, there are those who, having served twenty, retired full of strength and health, but there are not so many of them. Are you not one of them? If so, congratulations !!!

      By the way, the article deals only with the army. In the Ministry of Internal Affairs, official salaries are now significantly lower than in the Armed Forces. The salary for the major position of a senior opera falls short of the salary of an army platoon commander. At least Serdyukov turned out to be better at ... za Nurgalieva.
      1. 0
        November 7, 2012
        Did you expect it yourself?
        The proposed scheme for calculating military pensions with 2012 year:

        (ATS + HIA + NVL) × (50% + 3%) (for each year of service) × 54% (+ 2% annually in case of non-indexing of DD)


        Calculation: “lieutenant colonel” (length of service 25 years)

        (24 000 + 12 000 + 10 800) × 65% × 54% = 16426.2 rub.

        The formula for calculating military pensions in 2011 year

        The current scheme for calculating military pensions:

        (ATS + HIA + NVL) × (50% + 3% (for each year of service)) + surcharge according to UK. Etc. RF

        Calculation example: “lieutenant colonel” (25 years of service)

        (4750,45 + 3408,37 + 5303,23) × 65% + 1000 = 12606 rub. (Values ​​are given taking into account indexation in 2012 by 6%)

        Plus, there is also a district coefficient from 1,2 to 2,0
    2. +1
      November 7, 2012
      It’s hard to disagree! We won without a doubt. But it’s better to live away from the service and its current problems. Go away and forget everything to hell. And then, looking at how the Fleet collapses, it is possible not to live up to the general civilian pension.
  9. Denver1212
    +1
    November 7, 2012
    pensioners and conscripts won, serving abroad a salary of the conscript 10-15 thousand rubles. in some places more than the regional average
  10. +1
    November 7, 2012
    The value of the military pension can, of course, be viewed from different angles, but it is impossible to disagree that it nevertheless has grown significantly. I personally almost doubled. For a northerner this is a significant figure.
    1. +1
      November 7, 2012
      I agree with you, the pension has really become similar to a "human" one. It is a sin to me to complain when I see how much a simple hard worker earns in our Kaliningrad.
  11. +1
    November 7, 2012
    sad but predictable results
  12. gavijuar
    +1
    November 8, 2012
    At the same time, considering the change in the social security system for military personnel from January 1, 2012, one cannot but notice a positive moment, such as the long-expected increase in the size of military pensions. For example, a battalion commander, a lieutenant colonel, who retired after 22 years of service, until 2012 received a pension of 6903 rubles, and from January 1, 2012 its size amounted to 14 152 rubles, that is, for such a pensioner from the number of former military personnel there was a double increase in the pension. benefits are not saved in the article by Andrey Venediktov - crap am ] canceled only the payment of compensation in the amount of actually paid land tax and property tax of individuals (from January 1, 2015).
  13. toos_1799
    +1
    November 8, 2012
    Commentary on table 1.
    Until recently, he himself held a position in the 11th rate category, captain. Last year, in the month of September, he was placed at the disposal, but for more than half of the year he received the full allowance. Moreover, the prize was awarded by the so-called "ten-ten" order of the RF Ministry of Defense.
    It turned out that on average per month (until August inclusive), taking into account the even distribution of material assistance and EDV, the following came out:
    1. cash allowance:
    OF;
    OZ;
    allowance for seniority (45% of the sum of money laundering and health care);
    financial assistance (per each month of the year; only 200 of the sum of money laundering and health care);
    EDV (calculated for each month of the year; a total of 300 of the sum of OD and OZ);
    quarterly bonus (calculated for each month of the year; a total of 300 of the sum of OD and OZ);
    for working with classified documents (10% ML);
    for complexity, tension and a special regime of military service (160% ML):
    (3661+2635)*(1+0,45+2/12+3/12+3/12)+3661*(0,1+1,6)=23211,23 руб. (без учёта подоходного налога).
    2. The bonus (paid quarterly in accordance with the position that I held until the third quarter inclusive) was at first a lump sum of 15000 rubles, but at the end of the year they put things in order in the finances (they restricted the right of the unit commander to set the amount of the bonus "at his own discretion" having tied it clearly to the salary according to the position), and in the third quarter I received more (I think, about 30 or 40 thousand; again, without tax). That is, it turned out 10-13 thousand rubles per month.
    3. In total, taking into account income tax, 31503,77 rubles were issued. I should have received an average of a month in my arms.

    Now, being at the disposal, I am in my hands "for this", not fearing someone's arbitrariness, I receive 32886 rubles, being, however, deprived of the chances for allowances, bonuses, etc.

    The most interesting thing is that in the year preceding the more or less prosperous 2011, until no bonuses were paid, until the increase in money allowance (in August 2010), I received an average of only about 22 thousand rubles.

    CONCLUSION: the increase in "net" money allowance turned out to be really tangible and "multiple" for me (in my case, by 1,5 times). Too bad I don't get my full salary ...
    On the other hand, the "dispositioner" (being, to put it mildly, not at the limit of his physical stress: in fact, you only need to "participate" in everyday constructions at 9:00 and walk three or four times a month in a simple outfit) and this should be very satisfied!

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