Prospects for the AK-308, created under the NATO cartridge

At the Army-2022 forum, one of the developments of the Kalashnikov concern attracted special attention. We are talking about the AK-308 assault rifle, chambered for .308 Win or 7,62x51 mm NATO.

Based on the characteristics of the ammunition, it becomes clear that this rifle weapon created for export purposes. The above cartridge is widely distributed throughout the world. At the same time, taking into account the fact that our weapons, as a rule, are cheaper than foreign models, broad prospects may open up for the AK-308.

It should be noted that the development of this machine is an initiative. AK-308 was created on the basis of AK-12. The first version of a promising weapon was presented in 2018.

The current, final, version of the machine received a new-style magazine for 20 rounds, a handle combined with a trigger guard, a telescopic buttstock, a fore-end with Picatinny rails already installed, and a more convenient fuse for the index finger. In addition, the machine already has a gas regulator in the base.

The weight of the AK-308 is 4,5 kg, the length with the stock folded is 608 mm, and the aiming range declared by the manufacturer is 800 meters.

It is worth adding that despite the seriously aggravated relations between Russia and the West, the AK-308 still has very tempting export prospects. In particular, this machine may be of interest to our friendly Brazil and India. In addition, it is likely that they will pay attention to it in Pakistan and a number of other countries whose armies use the 7,62x51 mm caliber.

Comments

[voice of reason]

There are prospects exactly where there are a lot of such cartridges. All the same, a weapon for the supply of ammo is an important criterion. The layout is successful, honed, time-tested, unpretentious, unlike bullpup, plus the ability to use ammunition. That is, just on the topic of the article-option for export to the former Western colonies.

[Monster_Fat]

Layout, layout, but there is one "but". Kalash is reliable due to the fact that it removes a Russian cartridge case with a large taper with a heavy shutter. American cases have a slight taper. The impulse to extract the American cartridge case should be more extended in time. Not?

[Alexfly]

the mass of an AK shutter with a long stroke is quite sufficient to disrupt any cartridge from its place .. I don’t think there was a problem with reloading even an over-contaminated device ..

[Andy_nsk]

I don't think it's the right time. It seems to me that now it would be worthwhile to focus on weapons for the SVO and not scatter the forces of engineers and designers. IMHO

[Frank Muller]

War is war, and dinner... ugh, hell... business on its own schedule.

[Igool]

Quote from Andy_nsk

I don't think it's the right time.

Well, the development of it did not start yesterday, it’s just that the product is ready today, that’s all. Do not postpone the almost finished product under the cloth just because of the SVO?

[Andy_nsk]

Well, its development didn’t start yesterday, it’s just that the products are ready today, that’s all

I'm not in the subject, how long does it take for such a small refinement? The CBO has been going on for ten months, does it really take years to finalize the AK under a slightly longer cartridge? We at the enterprise make such small improvements much faster.

[KCA]

Well, it’s enough to finalize it right for a week, and then test it, refine it based on the test results, change the design documentation for every detail, right down to the last screw, create flow charts, calculate the cost, refine to reduce the cost, test again, change the design documentation and flow charts, etc. .d., it’s one thing to modify the iron, it’s another thing that the product is ready for mass production

[YOUR]

As an example AK-12. We did it ... everything seems to be just a shine and then the war, and she made her own adjustments. As a result of the operation, a bunch of shortcomings and children's sores were revealed.

Concern "Kalashnikov" presented the AK-12, modified as a result of the special operation. His new index is AK-12M1.
From updates:
- There is no mode of firing in fixed bursts with a cutoff of two rounds.
- A new translator of fire modes has been installed.
- Implemented blocking of the bolt carrier when the fuse is on.
- The engineers installed a new handguard, as well as a stock with a lifting cheek.
- The new AK-12M1 muzzle flash hider-compensator will be non-removable, as on the AK-19.
- Changed the diopter sight of the machine gun. The AK-12M1 will have a reversible L-shaped rear sight with modes of firing at a target 0,5 m high at a direct shot range, as well as at targets at a range of 600 meters. In both versions, the aperture diameter of the diopter is 1,8 mm. There is also a diopter designed for shooting in conditions of limited visibility with a hole with a diameter of 4,5 mm.
Serial production of the new AK-12 assault rifle will begin in 2023.

It seems like a trifle, but it takes time to rebuild an established production.

[Andy_nsk]

Thank you, I have been developing complex products for many years and I know how to work, respected "Kalashnikovs" spend a lot of time on testing and making changes to the documentation (if they really need more than a year to do this) - IMHO

[Alexfly]

At one time, the Czechs offered the USSR a ready-made, more powerful cartridge, but the hegemon refused ..

[ssergey1978]

Saiga MK under 308 caliber has been produced for several years. Everything has been done for a long time

[fif21]

Quote from Andy_nsk

It seems to me that now it would be worthwhile to focus on weapons for the SVO and not disperse the forces of engineers

This paddle is for enemies! For your AKM!

[saved]

In the light of recent events, somehow I would not want to arm potential opponents with our weapons. Might be better to go back to a more powerful caliber.

[ssergey1978]

Brazil is not interested. Brazil releases its rifle. Perhaps India, I remember she was interested in AK under 7.62 NATO. That's probably all.

[Frank Muller]

We will beat the enemy with his own small arms, or rather his own ammunition. After all, ammunition is the basis of any small arms. Yes, and seizing someone else's sales market is not the last thing.

[for]

Quote: Frank Muller

We will beat the enemy with his own small arms, or rather his own ammunition.

Or us with our small arms and their ammunition.

[Pavel57]

Does it make sense to test in Ukraine with Wagner, for example?

[fa2998]

Quote: Pavel57

Does it make sense to test in Ukraine with Wagner, for example?

And where do you get NATO cartridges in commercial quantities?

[Sergey250455]

Novosibirsk Cartridge Plant manufactures

[Million]

For export? Under the NATO cartridge. To kill our fighters later from this machine?
And there is nothing sacred for hucksters, especially for hucksters of a state scale.

[KCA]

Well, right, as soon as we sell machine guns or a license to India or Pakistan, they will immediately declare war on Russia and go to kill us, or will NATO buy rifles from us?

[air wolf]

Well, Saiga-308 or AK-308 can only be used by hunters and for export, it would be better if they brought the AK-15 to mind, the barrel is 520 mm with a compensator ala Vepr-Hunter, the barrel is heavier and the recoil will not be thrown so well and you can shoot in bursts. And for 1000 meters, you need to distribute all SVD, SVD-K, SVD-U, etc. from warehouses to good shooters, Saracen nightlights to boot, and a Pecheneg machine gun in each compartment should be, then you can work at a distance. Each squad leader should have a thermal imager up to 6 times minimum, enough to save on the lives of our guys!

[Above_name]

for 1000 meters, you need to distribute all SVD, SVD-K, SVD-U, etc. from warehouses to good shooters

IMHO for 1000m SVD is extremely optimistic. Up to 800 m

[Vladimir Pavlov_2]

just a question - why? And why? To give up think galleries?

[Blackgrifon]

We are waiting for AM-17 and the development of this particular platform.

[Voronezh]

Hospidya ...... Yes, at least complete your army with something modern! But only all and not front parts. All these promising developments for export, instead of saturating their ARMY, the leading database, in my opinion look rotten. To whom is war and to whom is the prospect of dough.

[KCA]

What does the staffing of the army have to do with it? The Ministry of Defense is engaged in this, and the AK-308, it is written, was developed on its own initiative, which means that it has nothing to do with the funds of the developer himself and the Ministry of Defense, but if there was an order, but Kalashnikov did not fulfill it in full, it would be possible to make claims

[Voronezh]

[/ quote] What does the staffing of the army have to do with it? [quote]

Or maybe, on an initiative basis, send more drones (the production of which the concern has taken for itself) to send to its active army?

[AC130 Gunship]

There are not many external differences from the old AK47. Moreover, the store is slightly larger than that of modern pistols. Why don't they want to do something new?

[Kuziming]

Romania, Bulgaria, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Hungary and Poland are willing to buy.