Turkish media: Ukrainian President Zelensky through the United States agreed on Poland's participation in the conflict

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Turkish media: Ukrainian President Zelensky through the United States agreed on Poland's participation in the conflict

President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky, with the help of the American administration, managed to negotiate with the Polish authorities on the participation of the armed forces of this country in the conflict. The Turkish edition Cumhuriyet writes about this.

Apparently, these agreements were reached as a result of Zelensky's trip to Washington and his meetings with US President Joe Biden and a number of key figures in the American elite. The author of the Turkish edition Mehmet Ali Güller admits a high probability of Poland's direct involvement in the armed conflict with Russia.



According to the Turkish edition, now Russia is actively preparing for a possible expansion of the territory of hostilities. This can be evidenced by the concentration of joint Russian-Belarusian troops on the territory of Belarus, as well as certain activities carried out by the Belarusian leadership.

Mehmet Ali Guller refers to the words of the Deputy Minister of Defense of Poland, Marcin Očep. The Polish official directly stated a high degree of probability of Poland's participation in hostilities on the territory of Ukraine. It is worth noting that Poland is already heavily involved in the conflict: it trains Ukrainian soldiers, supplies weapons, and a large number of Polish mercenaries participate in the hostilities themselves, among which there are active servicemen of the Polish army.

What consequences such a policy of the Polish leadership can lead to can only be guessed at. Since the end of World War II, Poland has lived peacefully, its territory has not been attacked by any enemy troops, and Polish citizens have not died in “foreign” wars. Now stability and tranquility may be a thing of the past. Do the Poles need it?
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  1. +14
    December 27 2022
    The insight is certainly interesting. But purely analytically, there are only two options:
    1. attack on Belarus and Kaliningrad
    2. occupation of the western regions of the former Ukraine, possibly with access to the Dnieper line.
    In the first option, this is a hot war with Poland and possibly with NATO, possibly conventional. But rather with the use of tactical nuclear weapons.
    at the second variant-possible options. Especially if Kharkov, Chernihiv, Dnepropetrovsk, Nikolaev and Odessa go to the Russian Federation. All the same, this is a certain recognition of the section. Well, in the event that the Polish troops do not take hostile actions ...
    The main thing that the Poles need to understand when getting involved in the NWO is that no one is going to play dumb with them. In which case, all over the world, Warsaw will be remembered on a par with Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
    1. +14
      December 27 2022
      In which case, all over the world, Warsaw will be remembered on a par with Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

      Let's hope that it will. If they don't want any other option.
      1. 0
        December 27 2022
        If people like Abramovich again do not try to smuggle through the deal, as with grain.
    2. 0
      December 27 2022
      But purely analytically, there are only two options

      It is purely analytical to look at the components to which the "news" refers.
      Enough of this already
      ... refers to the words of the Deputy Minister of Defense of Poland, Marcin Očep. The Polish official directly stated a high degree of probability of Poland's participation in hostilities on the territory of Ukraine.

      ...to understand the price of "news".
      1. +1
        December 27 2022
        For 10 months now I have been reading in HBO that, from day to day, Wojsko Polskie will cross the Polish-Ukrainian border and annex Western Ukraine. And nothing has changed. And it will be there, because those who believe this mentally have forever remained in the 20th century, and are infinitely far from the realities of modern Poland.
        First, with the unconditional empathy of the majority of Poles to Ukrainians in Poland, they remember very well the terror unleashed by Ukrainian nationalists in the interwar years of the 20th century against the Polish administration in this region and the sympathy of the Ukrainian population of Western Ukraine for the idea of ​​a national state. As a result, the Poles do not intend to experiment again with the absorption of Western Ukraine.
        The second is the economic price and economic benefit. The benefit for Poland is zero. The price is high. It has long been calculated. And Poland, which has become the economic leader in Eastern Europe, having entered the top 30 largest economies in the world (24th place), does not intend to question growth for the sake of annexing part of the territory of Ukraine that does not represent a natural resource base.
        Ukraine suits Poland as a sales market and a market for cheap labor and a buffer from Russia. And all no more.
        And the outcasts who dream of Poland from sea to sea do not make the weather in Poland. And they do not play a decisive role in public administration.
        1. 0
          December 29 2022
          Quote: Kotov_Oleg
          First, with the unconditional empathy of the majority of Poles to Ukrainians in Poland, they remember very well the terror unleashed by Ukrainian nationalists in the interwar years of the 20th century against the Polish administration in this region and the sympathy of the Ukrainian population of Western Ukraine for the idea of ​​a national state. As a result, the Poles do not intend to experiment again with the absorption of Western Ukraine.
          The second is the economic price and economic benefit.
          .....
          And thirdly, a group of 600 thousand was mobilized, apparently for beauty.
      2. 0
        January 1 2023
        Nevertheless, Poland is being prepared for war, even on its territory. wrote that in Germany they were going to create an additional point, similar to the Polish one, for the collection and further shipment of weapons to Ukraine.
    3. 0
      December 27 2022
      there will be no strike either on Kaliningrad or on Belarus, because they will act as an aggressor, in response they will receive a nuclear strike (otherwise there is nothing to stop them in Kaliningrad thanks to the great plywood marshal) and will not receive clause 5 of the NATO agreements ... the Poles will fight on the territory of Ukraine
      1. +1
        December 27 2022
        Quote: Nikolay310
        in response they will receive a nuclear strike (otherwise there is nothing to stop them in Kaliningrad thanks to the great plywood marshal)

        you can find out your rank and position, well, you just write so confidently about the forces stationed in the KO that at least you are in the position of deputy chief of the general staff
        1. 0
          January 1 2023
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          you can find out your rank and position, well, you just write so confidently about the forces stationed in the KO that at least you are in the position of deputy chief of the general staff


          Unfortunately, after 10 months of SVO, you do not need to have any ranks and positions to come to such conclusions.
    4. +2
      December 27 2022
      Turkish media: Ukrainian President Zelensky through the United States agreed on Poland's participation in the conflict


      Is Zelensky really so stupid that he doesn’t understand how this will all end? Namely, that Poland will take over Western Ukraine. Zelensky thinks to outplay everyone, but they will outplay him. It’s very “smart” to negotiate with the cheaters by the Americans. They will scam the clown twice.
      1. +2
        December 27 2022
        Perhaps this is what he needs, but he will meet old age as the owner of a vineyard anywhere in Burgundy. Than not a career for a bad boy.
    5. +2
      December 27 2022
      A strike on Kaliningrad is already a direct attack on Russian territory.
      And here paragraph 5 of NATO will not apply.
      This is not an attack on a NATO country, but vice versa.
      Therefore, there is only one option, a direct strike on Warsaw.
      I hope they understand that this is playing with fire.
    6. -11
      December 27 2022
      God, that's nonsense...
      Firstly, no one will give us Nikolaev and Odessa, and secondly, even in the event of an attack by Poland on Kaliningrad or Belarus, strike tactical nuclear weapons and the gut is thin and the blow will be on non-nuclear Poland. The answer will come right away..
      1. 0
        December 27 2022
        Well, this is by itself. Such a strike is likely to hit the US missile defense bases in Poland and lead to a retaliatory strike.
        The worst retaliatory strike for us by NATO SSBN forces. In a flat way.
        1. +1
          December 27 2022
          Quote: Osipov9391
          The worst retaliatory strike for us by NATO SSBN forces. In a flat way.
          As if for the Strategic Missile Forces there is a difference in response to which strike to produce a mass launch ...
          1. +1
            December 27 2022
            Very big difference.
            An SLBM flat strike is a strike from a minimum distance, for example, from the North or Mediterranean Sea.
            This means that the flight time is 10-12 minutes to the most important targets in the European part of Russia.
            This is a significant advantage compared to ground-based ICBMs whose flight time is 3 times longer.
            Considering that NATO countries have more than 20 SSBNs (2 times more than Russia), this is still a big advantage.
            1. 0
              December 30 2022
              There will be no nuclear strikes from the Western side. Ordinary axes will be enough, given the current situation with air defense.
      2. +1
        December 27 2022
        Quote from Snay
        the blow will be on non-nuclear Poland. The answer will come right away..

        from whom and for what?
      3. +4
        December 27 2022
        Quote from Snay
        The answer will come right away.
        Reply from whom? The Poles have no vigorous answers.
        And for what reason? The Americans at the very beginning said that Poland could get into someone else's fight, but at their own peril and risk, neither America nor NATO will fit in for it if something goes wrong. I see no reason to change this position...
        1. 0
          December 27 2022
          Since when do we believe what the Americans said?
      4. -1
        December 27 2022
        No one will give you anything, the rest is your fantasy. And speak for your gut - expert mamkin.
    7. +3
      December 27 2022
      Quote: voice of reason
      In the first option, this is a hot war with Poland and possibly with NATO

      if Poland harnesses itself, then everything with NATO will remain as it is, they will send weapons of "volunteers", but they themselves will not climb
    8. -2
      December 27 2022
      Quote: voice of reason
      1. attack on Belarus and Kaliningrad

      This will not happen because, in this case, Poland is the aggressor, and if so, then point 5 (or whatever) will not work. Those. NATO will stand on the sidelines. And, if Poland has become so bold, insolent, as an option, then our strike on the territory of Poland is legally acceptable. Does Poland need it?
      Most likely, a limited contingent of Polish troops, disguised as a PMC or a hedgehog, will operate on the outskirts. In this case, most likely, we will not strike at Poland, because we can get a blow at Kaliningrad.
      The use of tactical nuclear weapons is the first step towards a nuclear war between us and the united West, including the United States.
    9. -2
      December 27 2022
      no one will give you Odessa and N Kolaev. You are already tired of thinking Russia is at the level of the advancing USSR in 1943. No one is going to share the territory with you, like this piece is for you, and this is for the Poles of the Hungarians. Moreover, those territories that could not even be captured. at the level of the Donetsk-Lugansk regions. And then they still need to be mastered. Yes, on the land corridor to the Crimea. And then it will stop for a short time. For three or four years. Until the Ukrainian army is mobilized in a new way, armed and trained for NATO equipment. Nikolaev and Odessa will be presented to you)))
      1. +2
        December 27 2022
        Quote: vlad2000
        no one will give you Odessa and n kolaev
        That's right, so let's take it. You are already tired of thinking that we are sleeping and seeing how to beg something from someone. Russia is not Ukraine, to hope for handouts...
      2. 0
        December 27 2022
        Quote: vlad2000
        no one will give you Odessa and N Kolaev. you are already tired of thinking about Russia at the level of the upcoming USSR

        And Russia will not ask anyone's permission for this or that action in the war. Svidomo Bandera tired of their stupidity...The time will come to take Odessa, Kyiv and other Russian lands. Return back to the Native Harbor .. Popanuvaly zhidoukry .. chore ..
      3. +1
        December 29 2022
        Khoklopitek, go to your own, otherwise it pulls with shit! (((
        Who said that they will leave you alone and let you recover?
        As always, the thought grows rich! (((
    10. 0
      December 29 2022
      Quote: voice of reason
      In the first option, this is a hot war with Poland and possibly with NATO, possibly a conventional one.

      And it is also possible: a series of gestures of goodwill, and the final "de-escalation" is our everything, where would we be without it.
  2. +7
    December 27 2022
    What consequences such a policy of the Polish leadership can lead to can only be guessed at.

    At least you can stay without light. As much as possible to disappear from the face of the Earth...
  3. +9
    December 27 2022
    under Stalin, the Bialystok region would have appeared as part of Russia, but in our times you don’t know what to expect
    1. +7
      December 27 2022
      But nothing that just under him she disappeared from the USSR
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    2. -5
      December 27 2022
      Stalin recreated the Polish People's Republic. under him, NATO bases simply would not have appeared there. this is under the great Yeltsin, to whom Putin allocates hundreds of billions from the budget every year, and everything was handed over to his trump cards
      1. -3
        December 27 2022
        Stalin recreated the Polish People's Republic.

        Why did he give Bialystok? Which connected Belarus and KO. Stalin was not prudent. I couldn't think several moves ahead.
      2. +1
        December 29 2022
        Nonsense, crazy, Khoklopitek's preparation is immediately visible, according to the interpretation of history! (((
  4. +6
    December 27 2022
    If this is true, then the famous red lines will once again be crossed and no one will wait for a response from Russia, and under Stalin he would have already launched a nuclear strike.
    1. 0
      December 27 2022
      Under Stalin, such a situation as now, even theoretically, could not have arisen, and even if there were nuclear weapons, he, as the smartest person, would not use them, having the strongest and most trained in combat armed forces. I would just insert caps on the most do not worry and that's all, and did not look around like some.
  5. +3
    December 27 2022
    It seems to be easier to put heavy weapons along with Polish crews and aircraft with "volunteer" pilots than to lure tactical nuclear weapons to your territory?
    1. +2
      December 27 2022
      And this is already in reality. The Polish Army (vacationers) are fighting with might and main in the Donbass. There is no talk of tactical nuclear weapons, although they run into a lot
      1. 0
        December 27 2022
        The Polish army (vacationers) are fighting with might and main in the Donbass.

        That's what I'm talking about, they, quite, can fight without officially supplying equipment / aviation and making repairs on their territory without any consequences. Well, or almost without consequences, and any strike on their territory in this case is quite Article 5.
  6. +1
    December 27 2022
    agree with the Polish authorities on the participation of the armed forces of this country in the conflict
    What to negotiate if everything has long been agreed and valid. The Turkish author himself confirms this by saying that
    a large number of Polish mercenaries are involved in the hostilities themselves, among which there are active servicemen of the Polish army.
    If only he means the official entry of the Polish army into the territory of Ukraine?
  7. +2
    December 27 2022
    Before discussing possible scenarios, I would like to get an answer to one question - ARE THE POLES IN GENERAL IN THE KNOW THAT THE PRESIDENT OF ONE STATE SOLD THEM WHOLESALE TO THE PRESIDENT OF ANOTHER NON-STATE??? It seems to me that these are very wet dreams of Ze, well, and an acute desire of some bigwigs in Poland to promote themselves.
  8. 0
    December 27 2022
    Knowing the history of Poland, it can be assumed that all this “participation” will come down to the occupation of the western regions, a quick referendum and joining Poland. And the legitimate (I emphasize, LEGAL) owners of property in Western Ukraine will come later. With all the necessary documents for the right to own property. And we must give back to the Poles - they know how to talk with Svidomo Ukrainians. They do not have ,, fraternal peoples ,,
  9. +2
    December 27 2022
    We must be careful with this kind of information.
    The United States is likely to keep NATO countries from direct participation in the conflict
    since this is irrational for NATO as a whole.
    As long as there is the Armed Forces of Ukraine and their desire to fight.
    As long as they somehow can carry out offensive operations.
    If the potential of the Ukrainian army runs out, then yes, it is possible to push other countries
    in order to sustain the conflict.
    But so far it hasn't been seen. The pumping of Ukraine's weapons continues.
  10. +1
    December 27 2022
    “Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, with the help of the American administration, managed to negotiate with the Polish authorities on the participation of the armed forces of this country in the conflict. ”
    And then they probably informed Mehmet Ali Güller about this so that he would write a report about it in a Turkish newspaper, about which the author of the military review somehow found out and we are now discussing it here.
  11. 0
    December 27 2022
    Or maybe our leadership is trying to achieve this in order to kill two birds with one stone .... If the Poles harness themselves, then 5 tbsp. does not work, and there are no fraternal people there ..... Limited mobilization - cleaning up the outskirts, and at the same time cutting a corridor to the Kaliningrad region ..... and after that you can put up vigorous ultimatums to Nate (Fashington) .... .
    1. 0
      December 27 2022
      Hello, they are organizing a group of a couple of dozen GRU officers who attacked a nuclear facility in Poland in order to create an environmental catastrophe and destroy the Polish people. All 5 articles work, and whoever does not understand that it should not work will be made to understand. Vucic has already been explained, Romania has also been explained by closing the tranche of 30 billion euros and there they will explain it to those who are especially dull.
      1. 0
        December 27 2022
        Article 5 only works if there is no threat to the US. If this is a threat to them, then the article will be inoperative for a number of reasons.
  12. -1
    December 27 2022
    Finally, the army that was under the control of Germany is gathering. The end of this army will be the same. Only Western warriors can constantly step on a rake.
  13. +4
    December 27 2022
    Mehmet Ali Guller will not lie and knows exactly what he is talking about. )))
  14. +2
    December 27 2022
    Let's discuss what a certain Mehmet Ali Guller sprinkled in a Turkish newspaper.
  15. 0
    December 27 2022
    The Poles do not need, but the United States needs a deep power and its agents to power in Poland, such as Sikorski, Tusk, etc. ... and the Vatican and the Catholic Church, which has always helped the Nazis, and Fanarioti from Istanbul also help all this. It is necessary to ask the massons for whom they work and who do they help?
    The people are completely zombified through the media, they managed to turn the people into a sheep, like in Ukraine. Interestingly, no one disclosed the methodology of how Hitler and the company around the ego zombified the people in Germany and in 5 years from 1933 managed to turn most of the people into CATTLE. The same methodology of stopping the people in SKOTINA was applied both in Ukraine and throughout Europe. All this leads the world to a great tragedy. It is also interesting here that no one touches the "effective managers" who will lead a world tragedy like Pelosi, Blinken, Ursula, Zelensky, Poroshenko, Turchynov, Yatsenok, Tusk, Sikorsky, Macron, Scholz, etc. into action. There are only a few thousand of them here. It turns out that it is easier to kill millions of zombie people than several thousand real ZLOCHINTS.
    If the world just removed Hitler, Goebels, Eichmann and the rest of the 1938 head Nazis in 100, would there be a world war or not ???
    1. 0
      December 27 2022
      If the world just removed Hitler, Goebels, Eichmann and the rest of the 1938 head Nazis in 100, would there be a world war or not ???

      Would be, but later. Another villain would come out or be appointed. For example, current events. Recently, "villains" are appointed, only until the "villains" fulfill the role that the owners of the world want from them.
      If Russia fails, China will be next. Someone decided to cheer up this world with another massacre, and these are not some kind of reptilians, these are the same people, only they consider the world to be their patrimony and have all the resources and opportunities for this.
    2. +1
      December 27 2022
      The main Nazis in Britain and the United States were already there and they brought Hitler and his party to power.
  16. 0
    December 27 2022
    Possible.
    But then ... if I were the Tsar ... I would organize the Great Wasteland (Tribaltika, Poland, Romania - from sea to sea!), Which would separate Holy Rus' from the remnants of Europe.
    This would provide that very safe zone for centuries on the western outskirts of the Empire.
    1. +2
      December 27 2022
      Quote: I dare_notice_
      would organize the Great Wasteland (Tribaltica, Poland, Romania - from sea to sea!), which would separate Holy Rus' from the remnants of Europe.
      it's good that you're not a king, baby
  17. +2
    December 27 2022
    President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky, with the help of the American administration, managed to negotiate with the Polish authorities on the participation of the armed forces of this country in the conflict.

    If such an agreement is reached, then the question of the use of nuclear weapons may arise before the President of Russia ...
    Warnings have been made. It remains to identify goals.
    The smallest evil may be when there is no one to protect in Ukraine. That is - complete denazification.
    In any case, Warsaw should not hope that Russia will look at this hyena through the sight of the “mosquito” ...
  18. 0
    December 27 2022
    Everyone is promoting as best they can, the topic is in the air. Only we will not do anything, it makes no sense and there is no possibility, just until the Poles themselves are ready, having taken one step, we must be able to take others. While there are only swings, we are strengthening in Belarus, we are hinted that Poland will also enter Ukraine.
  19. +1
    December 27 2022
    strike on Belarus and Kaliningrad

    Although I live in Krakow, I still understand that the answer will be in full.
  20. 0
    December 27 2022
    With NATO directly, the war will most likely become nuclear, but if the Poles enter Ukraine, it is difficult to make any predictions.
  21. 0
    December 27 2022
    Poland still surrendered and entered the war! Who will be the first to rush to defend Poland now? who is next?
  22. fiv
    0
    December 27 2022
    I propose to create a section on VO where each colleague could leave his predictions, marking one or another scenario with a symbol. It would be very interesting. And we would know which of us is Gerasimov. A. maybe himself ..........
  23. 0
    December 27 2022
    I hope that at least on the logs they will use it with might and main, but not quite the same, we have rags sitting there ...
  24. +1
    December 27 2022
    A year ago, this would have been unthinkable. About the very possibility of this. And a lot more about the possibility. Putin and Lavrov failed wherever it was possible to fail, and wherever it was impossible to fail. Jae about the exclusion of Russia not only from the UN Security Council, but also from the UN. On all counts, Putin and Lavrov flew in full. From military affairs to economics and demography. No one is talking about such “little things as sports, culture, any international relations. Now the Americans have calmly started talking about the “physical elimination of Putin.” Lavrov admitted this and murmured something absolutely pitiful in response. Like,
    in the West, it seems, "they have completely discarded any decency"

    Dropped, so what? And why not discard with such toothless "partners"?
  25. 0
    December 27 2022
    Quote: voice of reason
    at the second variant-possible options. Especially if Kharkov, Chernihiv, Dnepropetrovsk, Nikolaev and Odessa go to the Russian Federation. All the same, this is a certain recognition of the section. Well, in the event that the Polish troops do not take hostile actions ...

    Do you think they will give Odessa with access to the Black Sea in a friendly way, I seriously doubt it. They will occupy everything along the banks of the Dnieper and from there they will already be dirty, and forcing it in terms of losses is many times worse than fighting somewhere from the outskirts of Odessa.
  26. Two
    +1
    December 27 2022
    Raise orders for Poland, military equipment in the USA, Germany, South Korea and what they have already bought. There is this information on the Internet. Based on these orders alone, it can be judged that an invasion army is being formed, and not a defense one. Poland, like a spring, has cocked it and it should shoot anyway, they have no way back.
  27. 0
    December 28 2022
    Fortunatly, besides all propaganda and visible russfobia, at least half of Polish citizens don't want any war with Russia.
    A lot of people afraid and do not want to take part in next year military exercises (200.000 reservists). They know what that's mean...

    Unfortunatly, citizens can do nothing to influence Polish government. Theoretically, it's democracy... but you can change nothing. You can do nothing.

    So, please remember, that Polish government do NOT represent Polish people.
  28. 0
    January 1 2023
    Quote: vlad2000
    no one will give you Odessa and N Kolaev. You are already tired of thinking Russia is at the level of the advancing USSR in 1943. No one is going to share the territory with you, like this piece is for you, and this is for the Poles of the Hungarians. Moreover, those territories that could not even be captured. at the level of the Donetsk-Lugansk regions. And then they still need to be mastered. Yes, on the land corridor to the Crimea. And then it will stop for a short time. For three or four years. Until the Ukrainian army is mobilized in a new way, armed and trained for NATO equipment. Nikolaev and Odessa will be presented to you)))


    Russia does not need gifts. If they do, fine.
    Russia needs its own security. Security of their borders and the entire territory as a whole.
    It's about the state.
    We also need the security of Russian citizens, wherever they are.
    And the absence of a biased attitude towards Russia as a state, towards Russian companies, as a noticeable part of the economy, towards politicians and big businessmen (they not only plundered their businesses in the 90s, but also hit many foreign "colleagues" on the back of the backbone) - this also important.

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