Massive breakdown of the German Puma infantry fighting vehicles: it seems that the military is to blame for this, not machine defects

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Massive breakdown of the German Puma infantry fighting vehicles: it seems that the military is to blame for this, not machine defects

Perhaps the scandal with the massive breakdown of the advanced German infantry fighting vehicles "Puma" has already become known to the whole world. But if someone has not heard, then we will tell briefly.

On December 17, the German edition of Spiegel published a devastating article in which, with reference to a letter from the commander of the 10th armored division, Butler, it was told about the catastrophic situation: during the exercises of the 37th panzergrenadier brigade, all the Pumas in its composition in the amount 18 units were out of order. This report of the general caused such a strong response that the German defense department even refused to further purchase upgrade kits for this BMP.



All the media, ours and Western, literally exploded with all sorts of publications - from neutral to openly gloating in the style of "played out with this unnecessary and expensive thing" (in a mild formulation). But it seems that the military themselves had a hand in this.

"Puma" is really a problem car


It is hard to disagree with the fact that Puma has long acquired a reputation as a "difficult child" and a "black hole" or "bottomless barrel" for financial injections. And indeed, it costs about 17 million euros per unit, it was put into service seven years ago, and the entire Pum fleet has not yet been brought to full combat capability.

In our country, and in the West too, the term "incompetent" in relation to the "Puma" is attributed to a too unambiguous interpretation in style: it will not even reach the battlefield and will stand up due to defects or software errors. In reality, even after the elimination of all problems, a fully combat-ready infantry fighting vehicle will become after its integration into a single command and control system and synchronization with the “infantry of the future” kit, which combines the information channels of the “Puma” and its infantry squad into a single whole, about which there is a lot of information on the network - Anyone can read if they want. Therefore, it is too early to talk about the readiness of the machine in any case.

However, it is impossible to deny the existence of technical difficulties. "Puma" is an extremely complex product, rich in technological innovations and total digitalization of all its components. It won't work the first time around.


Even from the moment of trial operation and ending with the current use in the troops, the manufacturer, as well as the military and political leadership, regularly laid down on the table multi-page reports containing hundreds of points and recommendations about shortcomings. Some of them were corrected under the Puma technical support contract, while the other part was waiting for global waves of modernization. But in general, the shoals remain to this day.

Electronics were criticized for failures and defects, including a complex fire control system and the operation of automated software control of machine components planted on a single decentralized data exchange bus. Questions were raised by the actuators and systems of the BMP, communications, and so on - it’s impossible to list everything. In the end, there were and are indignations about ease of use: insufficient visibility from the driver's seat, poor contrast of black and white displays, the impossibility of normal aiming when driving at certain speeds due to body shaking, etc.

The government knew about this for a long time, and they knew it very well. Therefore, today's guesses that the German Minister of Defense was deceived (or deliberately spent the budget on unpromising equipment) remain only guesses.

But then why was it so "bombed" with this massive breakdown?

Because the Pumas were special, just like the 37th Panzergrenadier Brigade was special.

Not ready for the parade


Remember 2014? Crimea became part of the Russian Federation, fierce battles began in the Donbass, and the NATO organization decided to create a highly mobile high-readiness joint task force (VJTF). The goals of the formation of this grouping are in principle clear and without any special explanations - the fastest possible arrival of an advanced military contingent in the area of ​​​​combat operations in the event of Russian aggression against a member state of the North Atlantic Alliance.

The composition of the VJTF changes annually, as does the leader - a pre-selected advanced unit of one of the NATO countries. So, in 2016, Spain was the host, in 2018 - Italy, and in 2021 - Turkey.

Of course, this joint group is a fairly combat-ready unit within the NATO Rapid Reaction Force. But to a large extent, it also performs a demonstrative and, if I may say so, ceremonial function, designed to show allies and opponents the level of technical equipment, training and coherence in the combat work of troops. In general, it is impossible to lose face. In addition, it is better not to come up with a training ground for active running-in of equipment.

In 2023, Germany, namely the 37th Panzergrenadier Brigade with its ill-fated Cougars, should become the “star of the parade” and the leading country of the VJTF.


Now you can imagine the faces of the military and politicians when an elite brigade, chosen as the leader in such an event, almost immediately loses the entire fleet of its infantry fighting vehicles in a few days. Moreover, Butler decided to savor it and spoke in an extremely derogatory way about the “Pumas”, they say, there was not a single “live” left in my brigade, all 18 were out of order, the last two combat modules were covered, and another one even caught fire. In general, a spit in the face of the manufacturer is obvious.

Moreover, it has been suggested (for example, in Janes magazine) that it was not about simple Pumas, but about modified ones and received the VJTF index (VJTF23) - the same abbreviation as the joint high-readiness group. In total, the Bundeswehr has 40 units, and they represent a kind of elite among the rest of the BMP of this model.

The machines have undergone a deep modernization in order to correct some defects, including electronics and communications. In addition to everything, they were prepared to use the MELLS multifunctional missile system (the well-known Spike), as well as to synchronize with the system of that very “soldier of the future”. In fact, these are almost fully combat-ready infantry fighting vehicles that were planned to be used in 2023 as part of the VJTF.

BMP "Puma" modification VJTF
BMP "Puma" modification VJTF

In addition, the Bundeswehr ordered the modernization of 150 (other sources 154) vehicles to the S1 standard, which is a slightly more improved version of the VJTF. In this regard, the harsh statements of the German Ministry of Defense that the purchase of modernization packages for the Pum is suspended until the circumstances are clarified are understandable.

But the point is not whether there were simple "Pumas" or modernized ones, since important circumstances were revealed that completely change the essence of the problem.

It seems that it is not defects that are to blame, but the military


A couple of days ago, an article was published in the German magazine FAZ in which the manufacturers and the military themselves gave some comments that completely change the idea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbwhat happened.

After all the 18 out of order Pumas were subjected to a thorough inspection, it turned out that only two of them were in critical condition and really needed complex repairs. This is an infantry fighting vehicle in which a fire broke out due to a damaged cable in the control room, and another with a failed combat module, in which one of the components of the mechanism that sets this thing in motion is broken. At the same time, as the representatives of the manufacturer noted, this component cannot break on its own (perhaps, we are talking about some kind of gear), so the most likely option is that they banged something or drove somewhere.

The remaining 16 units had light malfunctions. Moreover, as indicated, the nature of these problems was more operational. So, as examples, a crushed display is given (probably they just stood on it with a foot), a loose fastening of a guided missile unit and some problems with heating inside the BMP.


Moreover, it turned out that ten Cougars had already worked out a decent amount of time and were about to leave for the next maintenance, and two more had already processed this period and needed it for a long time. The most interesting thing here is that the vehicles of the 37th brigade were used extremely intensively and were constantly transferred from company to company, where they were exploited literally to failure. One of the officers even gave these infantry fighting vehicles an apt nickname, which we cannot publish verbatim for reasons of censorship, but in a mild form it sounds like “wandering women with low social responsibility.”

At the same time, representatives of the manufacturer were present at the exercises, which was confirmed by the German defense department, but, according to some reports, they were simply not allowed to the broken Cougars. In this regard, the military was asked why requests for repairs and spare parts were not submitted in a timely manner when the BMP was just starting to break down, since manufacturers and the government were faced with a fact when the entire fleet of the brigade was out of order.

Conclusions


To be honest, the BMP scandal came out notable - those vehicles that were intended for the advanced unit, which would lead the highly mobile high-readiness joint task force, broke down. And already it seemed like they decided that instead of the Puma, the rather outdated, but reliable Marders would go there. However, all this fuss begins to flow into a different plane.

Yes, the new infantry fighting vehicles have problems, but due to all the circumstances that have come to the surface, some political leaders in Germany are already demanding that they start checking on the fact of improper supply of the brigade with spare parts and hiding data about Puma breakdowns in this military unit. In this case, naturally, the military is blamed, who did not report anything in a timely manner, trying to push the shortcomings of the supply service into the far corner.

Naturally, little time has passed and we may see many more details of this case. It is still difficult to say who is right and who is wrong, but with some degree of probability it can be argued that the very defectiveness of Pum in this situation played far from the main role. And even more so, no one will refuse it, no matter how various experts vote about it. Too much money has been invested in this project, and its future is far from being as vague as it might seem.
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  1. +15
    28 December 2022 04: 59
    The listed breakdowns do not in any way relate to systemic ones, due to which the operation of the entire batch is not possible. As you can see, they also have mechanical drivers of the appropriate qualifications. Well, what about the crushed display that you stepped on with your foot.
    The car, of course .... BMP is heavier than a tank. The weight of the Puma is 43 tons, the weight of the T-72 is 41 tons, the T-90 is 46.5 tons. Moreover, the caterpillars are too narrow. On the Ukrainian mud will go with difficulty. European machine.
    1. -4
      28 December 2022 07: 40
      In short, all this junk will end up in Ukraine.
      1. -3
        28 December 2022 12: 13
        for the Germans to transfer the BMP Puma to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, then you need KAZ (!)
        this is at least some kind of protection against ATGMs and UAS: Chrysanthemum, Hermes, Cornet, Krasnopol, Gran
        Kitolov-2M
    2. 0
      11 March 2023 10: 26
      You're right. The vehicle for the BMP is heavy. And the fact that they write different nonsense in publications is one thing. But mostly driver mechanics complained about problems with the chassis and transmission. As a result, during the exercises, the machines lost their mobility as a result of active maneuvering. And what they write in the press is just a distraction. Well, the Germans cannot recognize the result of errors in design and production. They do not want to take dirty linen out of the hut.
  2. +10
    28 December 2022 05: 14
    At the same time, as the representatives of the manufacturer noted, this component cannot break by itself (perhaps, we are talking about some kind of gear), so the most likely option is something fucked up or entered somewhere.
    Um ... If a combat (!) Vehicle breaks down in peacetime due to the fact that they "did something / drove somewhere", then what will happen to it in combat conditions ?!
    So, as examples, a crushed display is given (probably they just stood on it with a foot), a loose fastening of a guided missile unit and some problems with heating inside the BMP.
    I won’t say anything about heating, I’ll only note that during the Great Patriotic War our tanks had neither stoves nor climate control. And they fought! But I have an idea about the crushed display. I understand the latest technology, progress, everything. But why did the display, since without it an infantry fighting vehicle is not an infantry fighting vehicle, not provide protection from any impact? It's like a fighting machine! And in combat conditions, it’s not that they can hurt their feet, fragments happen there. A loose mount is generally epic! Yes, during the years of my service, if something came loose on the car, they would have erased it into powder! You go into battle, and your bolts crumble along the way, great, huh? ..
    1. +3
      28 December 2022 05: 23
      "Puma" is an extremely complex product, rich in technological innovations and total digitalization of all its components.
      The more complex the unit, the more failures .... winked
    2. +8
      28 December 2022 05: 27
      Um ... If a combat (!) Vehicle breaks down in peacetime due to the fact that they "did something / drove somewhere", then what will happen to it in combat conditions ?!

      Breaking the mechanisms that drive an uninhabited combat module is not as difficult as it might seem. And flying at full speed into the branches is one of the many options for the development of events. This, of course, is not about bushes, but about heavy branches of trees. Especially if they get under the gun.

      no stoves, no climate control

      It was not, but this does not mean that all the hardships that our grandfathers endured should be endured by their grandchildren and great-grandchildren. So you can get to the point that grandfathers without a laser rangefinder and a sane fire control complex fired.

      But why did the display, since without it an infantry fighting vehicle is not an infantry fighting vehicle, not provide protection from any impact?

      Of course, I did not do such experiments, but what will happen if you hit the display of "Pine" or its "Double" with your foot? Maybe those who have experienced in the comments will add whether it breaks or not.

      A loose mount is generally epic!

      Well, it is not only found on Puma. She has a "box" with missiles generally screwed to the left of the uninhabited module. I don’t want to praise the German product and I won’t, but sometimes it falls off not only among the Germans.
      1. +1
        28 December 2022 05: 45
        Quote: Eduard Perov
        Breaking the mechanisms that drive an uninhabited combat module is not as difficult as it might seem. And flying at full speed into the branches is one of the many options for the development of events. This, of course, is not about bushes, but about heavy branches of trees. Especially if they get under the gun.

        During the Winter War, the Finns made such barriers, a log across the road at the level of the tank turret. The tank drove out because of the boom boom and remained without a tower. Let it be a little, but it was.
        I remember not so long ago the soldier wanted to eat, he began to warm up the stew, the BTR-80 burned out. How to approach such a case, the truth is not for you to ask your opponent.
      2. +5
        28 December 2022 06: 11
        flying at full speed into the branches is one of the many options for the development of events. This, of course, is not about bushes, but about heavy branches of trees. Especially if they get under the gun.

        Well, if the driver and the commander of the vehicle are thinking about something of their own, then of course.
        It was not, but this does not mean that all the hardships that our grandfathers endured should be endured by their grandchildren and great-grandchildren. So you can get to the point that grandfathers without a laser rangefinder and a sane fire control complex fired.
        I do not dispute that there should be progress. But I note that if the crew is not ready to fight without heating or a rangefinder that is out of order, then this is a crew that has surrendered in advance. But if he is ready, he will do much more than the first on the battlefield.
        Well, it is not only found on Puma. She has a "box" with missiles generally screwed to the left of the uninhabited module. I don’t want to praise the German product and I won’t, but sometimes it falls off not only among the Germans.
        Breakdowns happen to everyone, no one argues. But that's why the driver is called mechanic- the driver, who is obliged to monitor the technical condition of the car, and not just put pressure on the pedals with levers.
        1. +3
          28 December 2022 06: 29
          Well, if the driver and the commander of the vehicle are thinking about something of their own, then of course.

          Most accidents happen when everyone is thinking about something different.

          But I note that if the crew is not ready to fight without heating or a rangefinder that is out of order, then this is a crew that has surrendered in advance.

          I see that you are a man of the old formation. It is good. It's just that the Puma is not a vehicle that can be classified as an ordinary infantry fighting vehicle. There, if all the electronics collapse, there will be no BMP itself. But while the electronics are working, the vehicle (in its full combat version) is better than most infantry fighting vehicles in terms of interaction with the infantry squad and neighboring units.

          But the driver is called a driver because he is obliged to monitor the technical condition of the car

          The car has a driver, there is a commander, and above him are company commanders and so on, supplies and so on. The essence of the article and the manufacturers' comments is that reports of breakdowns did not reach them.
          1. +4
            28 December 2022 08: 11
            Quote: Eduard Perov
            The car has a driver, there is a commander, and above him are company commanders and other supplies

            The SA had a special order to organize the operation of the BTT (0125, if memory serves). There, all equipment was divided into categories of operation. And all the equipment of a combatant (not training) unit could not "chase" like a "wandering woman with low social responsibility." A combat training group could travel 3500 km a year to ensure the training process, a combat group could only travel 250 km during exercises and no more. Thus, there was a gradual achievement of the maximum standards of the technical state of readiness and the simultaneous failure of all equipment of the unit was prevented, the standard of combat readiness was observed. The RF Armed Forces still have a similar order today. We have here among the members of the forum a former tanker from Germany with 23 years of experience, so you need to ask him how such a situation can develop in the Bundeswehr with the failure of the entire park, apparently a motorized infantry battalion, driven like .... that very woman? It seems that an army with traditions, taught by the experience of many wars ....
      3. +1
        28 December 2022 08: 54
        Comrade Merkel and our comrades did an excellent job. The German Armed Forces are in a severe systemic crisis. Cougars are just a symptom. Any new product has problems, the task of trial operation is to eliminate them, of course, this is possible with the correct work of manufacturers and operators. That did not happen.
      4. 0
        28 December 2022 11: 16
        IMHO, the key problem is that the equipment was "passing" from unit to unit, so no one tried to tighten the bolts, fix the stove and not drive under low branches. By the way, how many photos there are of trucks stuck under a low bridge...
      5. 0
        9 January 2023 16: 05
        Quote: Eduard Perov
        Of course, I did not do such experiments, but what will happen if you hit the display of "Pine" or its "Double" with your foot? Maybe those who have experienced in the comments will add whether it breaks or not.

        No, it doesn't break. There is a large screen behind shockproof glass, with handles that are probably also difficult, according to sensations, to break. Although it is difficult to imagine how to stand on it with your foot (and why at all)
    3. 0
      28 December 2022 08: 31
      If my memory serves me right, then the ISU 152 had two regular kerosene heaters.
  3. -2
    28 December 2022 05: 35
    Quote: YOUR
    As you can see, they also have mechanical drivers of the appropriate qualification.

    In wartime ... shoot the mechanic drivers for damaging the equipment entrusted to them ... commanders in the penal battalion for oversight.
    In general, how good it is that there is such a mess in the Bunderswehr ... in the war against us, this will facilitate the defeat of the German Wehrmacht.
    1. +4
      28 December 2022 07: 30
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      In general, how good it is that there is such a mess in the Bunderswehr ... in the war against us, this will facilitate the defeat of the German Wehrmacht.

      As I understand it, you will be in the forefront? Before such a political officer, look at our "victories" on the Ukrainian front! And especially our mess!
  4. +1
    28 December 2022 05: 58
    Whatever the reasons for the failure of these machines, there is reason to rejoice. Let our "dear" "partners" throw up such excuses more often.
  5. +6
    28 December 2022 05: 59
    Any military equipment must be created with a margin according to the criterion of "foolproofness", for this they conduct stages of military tests in order to test the vehicles in this regard as well. After all, it is one thing when they are controlled by testers and quite another when they fall into the "playful hands" of ordinary soldiers
    1. +1
      29 December 2022 22: 18
      A machine worth half an attack helicopter or a quarter of a fighter, by definition, should not fall into the hands of an eight-class dunce.
  6. +5
    28 December 2022 06: 39
    The army is the same everywhere, and the rule that a crystal member in the hands of a soldier is covered with rust is an axiom! And we have the same system, for some reason everyone thinks that they have taught, but everything is so beautiful and complex, and how it will famously work everything ... Only when all this turns out not even in real combat conditions, but in exercises in the field .... At one time, I, muzzled with such communication products, already spoke to my eyes (there was nothing to lose), put the crew of the designers and let them show! The coolest thing was once they sent the best connoisseur from the factory, who shamefully fled, leaving some piece of iron as moral compensation! The rest of the factory workers sat together with the military representative in the corners, listening to my lectures on the need to transform them into a sharashka for the result! There were no objections! Once I met a more normal communication product from the Ryazan plant, the designer said his ingenious principle, I believe that the mechanic driver is an Uzbek, and the boss is an eternally drunk ensign!
    1. fiv
      0
      28 December 2022 07: 18
      The soldiers are stupid, the designer is unfinished, the military representatives are in a sharashka. As a commander and officer, your position is flawed, your honor.
      1. +4
        28 December 2022 07: 27
        The position is adequate, and it follows from the fact that your equipment cannot fulfill a combat mission in real hostilities for the reasons I have indicated, and you, as a boss, are put against the wall ... South Ossetia, Java, the ACCS complex, which "accidentally" turned out to be part of my communication node. By the way, my funds just covered the connection ... But the nobles from the Arbat district were looking for the last in my person .... So my position is adequate as that of a commander and an officer who actually served in the troops!
  7. +3
    28 December 2022 07: 51
    Pumas, like the Panthers in 1943, are systems with artificial intelligence that appeared spontaneously in machines. They break because they do not want to burn out in battles.
  8. +5
    28 December 2022 14: 23
    I suggest that the "reading brethren" of VO not "relax" under the influence of this article, but "concentrate" on the current events of the NWO and the prospects for its continuation and end ... Believe me, "Puma" will be "brought to mind" just like Germany will not freeze without our gas .... The Germans are a disciplined, punctual and meticulous people, although they are already "swollen" with burgher fat ... And all this propaganda "boom" about the freezing West, devastated army warehouses and "fragile" military equipment NATO - distracting the maneuver of the domestic media from the seriousness of the processes taking place, on the outer contour of Russia, and inside .... I think it makes sense to concentrate all the "couch enthusiasm" on the keynote speech of the Supreme Commander regarding the reorganization of the RF Armed Forces ... Here is "an unplowed field "for the "flight of the mind", assumptions, analysis and, of course, speculation and "flashes" of memory and common sense ... And "Puma" is a small "cog" in the entire solid military machine of NATO, which we have to resist with the addition of the word " actually and "... And this will not be a Ukrainian theater of operations, with alleged "agreements", "goodwill gestures" and other new "trends" in the tactics and strategy of the Armed Forces of capitalist Russia .....
    1. +1
      29 December 2022 22: 45
      Quote from nordscout
      The Germans are a disciplined, punctual and meticulous people.


      Are you talking about the Bismarckian Germans. The current ones... Let's just say that at work our company dealt with the Germans on the industrial side. Well, before the introduction of final sanctions, even though the production is 100% peaceful. So, since the 200s, the Germans are already very much not the same, and the farther, the worse. Indifference, optionality and not weak even by Russian standards corruption. A quarter of the units could arrive in the batch not at all of the model that was ordered. But in the right boxes. Okay, everyone has punctures. So the Germans reacted to any complaints in the style of "not our problem." Earlier than two weeks later, they did not even answer with a formal reply. Getting them to fix the jambs is an epic feat. Local dealers are a special song. Roughly speaking, the products of a respected German company in Russia can only be bought through the office "Horns und Hooves" with a staff of three secretaries and an authorized capital of XNUMX bucks. The cheating is huge, there are a lot of jambs, there is no support, the responsibility is zero, the deadlines are prohibitive. At the same time, all complaints about the dealer to the head office go down the toilet, because he personally unfastens the head of the "CIS and the Balkans" direction for a super comfortable life. By the way, the Japanese do business in a very similar way, only without corruption, they just disinterestedly do not care. Compared to them, the Taiwanese and even the Spaniards are just another planet.
  9. 0
    28 December 2022 20: 37
    Did the abbreviation VJTF come from WTF? smile
  10. 0
    28 December 2022 22: 16
    Everyone has breakdowns. It does not give special ideas about the technique. But the fact that everything is being tested to the maximum is excellent. The time of development in the troops is sharply reduced. Then all units will be combat-ready and everyone will be fine.
  11. +1
    29 December 2022 01: 14
    Axiom one: The more complex the mechanism, the easier it breaks. Axiom two: If the product can be broken, it will be broken for sure.
    The fact that NATO extols and constantly presents as its superiority, the stuffing of its equipment with electronics, is its Achilles heel. This is what the story of cougars actually shows. A high-tech electronic component, a necessary element in modern warfare, BUT! in its complete absence, and this is not about NATO technology. The second point regarding Western technology, arising from the above. All technology of NATO countries requires a high level of technical literacy, which even in peacetime is a problematic factor, since the average soldier is far from a technical genius in any army. This is the answer to the question of why Soviet / Russian equipment, with its "clumsiness" and "primitiveness", is the most belligerent and in demand. The total superiority of the Yankees in modern weapons over the Taliban completely did not help them win. And the Soviet Army is quite itself I decided this task so that liberda would not sing there. In that war, the USSR won, although we for almost 40 years they have been suggesting the opposite.
    1. +1
      29 December 2022 22: 54
      Both the USSR and the USA faced the same problem. You can stand very firmly in Afghanistan, control the cities, destroy the Basmachi detachments, but all this will have to be done forever. One has only to weaken the presence, the Basmachi will immediately take over, and the local army, at best, will scatter, at worst, go over to the side of the enemy. And no country can fight forever.
  12. 0
    30 December 2022 21: 02
    Let's try the "validation action".
    Consider all of the above in terms of WHY we should believe it at all.
    All comments are based on the fact that the described did take place and became public in full.
    Let's imagine that some of our units with "Armata" participated in some exercises.
    Part of "Armat" was broken, part was "lost" what
    And our general reports all this to the top and to the manufacturer.
    And .... Attention! This report gets to the correspondents of "Komsomolskaya Pravda" or to the editors of "Technique of Youth"
    Can you imagine this?
    I personally do not.
    Yes, anything can happen with new technology, the most unexpected problems can come up. This is fine.
    And it's just as normal that this can NOT become a subject of discussion in the tabloid, no - in general in any press.
    In addition to thin brochures marked "for official use"
    And if suddenly ... In the German press, they begin to discuss the problems of promising weapons mixed with the biography of some kind of pop diva or football star.
    That only says one thing - that's the way it should be. And the veracity of this kind of information tends to zero.
    Approximately so, many naively understand Merkel's recent revelations literally.
    Although it is very comfortable for someone to consider the Germans naive simpletons.
  13. 0
    11 March 2023 10: 27
    I wonder how much the manufacturers of German technology pay for such articles, and how is this being implemented now? The order just drips from all the cracks))

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