New uniform for "Admiral Vinogradov"

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New uniform for "Admiral Vinogradov"

So, judging by a bunch of joyful statements in the media, the former large anti-submarine ship of project 1155 "Admiral Vinogradov" will be finalized, modernized, rearmed and become a frigate. This will happen in 2025, after which the new frigate will continue to serve in the Pacific Ocean.

Speaking the language of the neighbors, let's try to understand whether this is a win or is it a nuisance? In general, the question is quite complicated, so you will have to rummage through a bunch of information related to both the Project 1155 ship and what they plan to do with it.




The Soviet large anti-submarine ship, also known as the Russian multi-purpose frigate of the 1st rank of project 1155M of the far sea and ocean zone with guided missile weapons, was laid down at the Yantar Baltic shipbuilding plant in Kaliningrad on February 5, 1986. Launched on June 4, 1987. Entered service December 30, 1988, commissioned into the Pacific fleet May 1 1989 year.


That is, today the ship is 33 years old. For comparison, the American cruisers of the Ticonderoga class, the Ticonderoga itself and the Vincennes were decommissioned and disposed of after 37 and 26 years, respectively. As they say, Vinogradov has a "golden mean".

"Admiral Vinogradov" came for repairs there, to the "Dalzavod Ship Repair Center" in Vladivostok. The same place where Marshal Shaposhnikov was modernized.


A few words should be said about the first modernization of the Project 1155 ship. The launchers of the Rastrub-B anti-submarine missile and torpedo complex (2x4) were replaced with Uran anti-ship missile launchers (2x4) and 3S14 launchers (2x8) for Caliber or Onyx. Removed one 100-mm gun mount. The ship has become stronger in the universal attacking plan, but the air defense has remained frankly outdated: the Kinzhal air defense system (8x8), which is completely irrelevant today.

Now comes "Admiral Vinogradov".


He will have to modernize the power plant, main engines, weapons and all the main mechanisms and systems, which, according to the schedule, require major or medium repairs.

The most terrible hemorrhoids with engines and turbines. "Admiral Vinogradov" is equipped with two marching gas turbine diesel engines with a capacity of 22 hp. each and two afterburner gas turbine engines with a capacity of 500 hp.

The turbines are reversible, made by the Zorya-Mashproekt concern in Nikolaev. With spare parts, everything is sad, about the same as with diesel engines from the Russian NPO Saturn, which promised to bring to mind the Russian analogue of the M-70, the so-called M-70FRU. In the case of Marshal Shaposhnikov, the Ukrainian gas turbine engines were not replaced by Russian ones. What will happen to Vinogradov is a question.

As for the replacement of the weapons complex, everything here is a little richer than that of Shaposhnikov.


Instead of the outdated Dirk, the Shtil-1 air defense system will be installed. There is information that "Calm" will be installed in the nose, cutting down 4 "Dagger" launchers from there. In place of the Dirk, one launch module for 12 Calm cells will quite normally stand up. If you remove 2 RBU-6000 Smerch-2 bombers in the stern, which is also not modern weapons (in service since 1961), then 12 more cells can be placed in the stern. That is, 2 modules for 24 launch cells. Considering that Shtil does not need a separate radar, the complex, through the ship's fire control system KMSUO 3R91E1, "sits" on any ship's radar, everything is optimistic.

In such quantities, "Shtil-1" is a very decent air defense system, capable of solving many tasks to repel an air threat. Considering that Shtil-1 uses the 9M317ME missile, which is a modification of the 9M317 Buk air defense missile system and can defend the ship 360 degrees along the horizon, this is much more acceptable and effective than Kortik, which showed its failure back in the nineties.

Launchers of the Caliber-NK complex.


On Shaposhnikov, PU 3S-14E were installed instead of one turret of the AK-100 artillery mount. The tower was dismantled along with the mechanisms for turning and supplying ammunition, and in its place fit 2 launchers for 8 missiles each. At Vinogradov, they want to repeat this operation, plus add 2 more launchers of 8 missiles somewhere behind the helicopter hangar. So far, there is no exact data, but there is simply nowhere else to shove the launchers.

As a result, it turns out that Vinogradov will carry 36 P-800, Caliber and Zircon missiles. This is quite a decent figure, at the world level for ships of this class, and even more than many.

Anti-ship missiles "Uranus"

Probably, the X-35 should be called an "anti-corvette" missile, since it is designed to destroy ships with a displacement of up to 5000 tons. You can’t call this weapon new, since the X-35 has been developed since 1977, and it was put into service only in 2003. But the seeker is active, radar, capable of operating in conditions of opposition, there is a warhead with a thermal seeker. The mass of the warhead is 145 kg, which will really make life difficult for both the missile boat and the corvette.

To install the declared number of X-35s, which is 4 launchers with 4 launch cells, it will not be enough to remove the Bell. There is an opinion that in order to install "Uranus", they will also remove torpedo tubes, which, we admit, have long been archaic. And 8 pipes of 533 mm take up a lot of space on the ship.

About anti-submarine

Yes, once, 30 years ago, it was a BOD - a large anti-submarine ship. So it turns out that if all the ancient types of weapons are removed from the ship, which cause nothing but healthy laughter in modern submarines, then the newly-minted frigate will not be very good at anti-submarine warfare.

The way out is seen in the installation of the anti-torpedo complex "Package-NK". How the place will be divided after the removal of the 4-tube torpedo tubes is not yet clear, but the fact that 533-mm Paket launchers will fit in the place of the 324-mm torpedo tubes and there will still be room is understandable.


Anti-submarine torpedoes MTT and anti-torpedo AT are more compact, and therefore 2 x 4 launchers can be placed on the sides. Paket-NK intends to use its own Paket-AE target designation sonar, but the Polinom sonar has already been installed on Vinogradov, which, in principle, is capable of detecting submarines within a radius of 40-50 km. The station is Soviet, it cannot be called new. But given the range of MTT torpedoes of 20 km, it is quite enough to target these torpedoes.

Of course, if it is possible to dismantle the Polynom under-keel, then this must be done with a replacement in favor of a newer and more advanced Package-AE.

In addition, sooner or later, the Otvet rocket-torpedoes based on the same Caliber, which can be loaded in the same 3S14, will be brought to the standard. So yes, both torpedo tubes and RBU-6000 can be sent to the Navy Museum.

Artillery


Only the bow turret will remain, in which the AK-100 will be replaced by the AK-190. The caliber is the same, 100 mm, but the gun turret is uninhabited, with remote control. Instead of the second tower, as mentioned above, missile launch cells will be installed.

There is a question regarding the AK-630. There is no evidence that they will be changed to something or they will be given a newer fire control system. That is, 2-4 six-barreled 30-mm installations will remain as an auxiliary air defense caliber.

Control systems

New types of weapons will naturally require new control systems. This is a huge job, which consists not only in replacing blocks, but also in laying new cable channels. If Vinogradov is overhauled, then not only weapons control systems, but also navigation, communications, electronic intelligence and combat systems will have to be changed.

This is normal, the Shaposhnikov was almost completely dismantled, the dismantling took only six months. The ship changed about 800 kilometers of cable routes. And of course, all mechanisms were replaced and overhauled.

However, the fact that Shaposhnikov was left with his ancient air defense is a miscalculation. They didn't save where they needed to. Or rolled back too much, I don’t know. But the fact that in the 2020s an air defense ship is at the level of the 1990s is simply utter nonsense. This is not a warship, this is for parades or boats with pirates in the Gulf of Aden to drive, nothing more.

Let's hope that with Vinogradov it will turn out differently, more generously.


They say that after the modernization, the Shaposhnikov and Vinogradov will have to serve for 10 years, and there they seem to be replaced by new Admiral Gorshkov class frigates. Well, if so.

The point is still in certain concerns caused by the sad results of the repair of "Moscow". Yes, project 1155 is smaller than 1164, but nevertheless, there is room for “mistake” and screwing up. "Dalzavod", however, was not noticed in such "mistakes" of a fatal nature, but this does not give a 100% guarantee. Alas. But in this day and age, that's the way it is.

You can replace 800 km of cables out of 900, and end up with a fire on the ship due to problems with the 801st km.

In the USSR, ships were built to last for centuries, but again, as the practice of "Moscow" shows, you can stagger anything you want, there would be a desire. The fact that the ships are already more than 30 years old does not add confidence in tomorrow, but we seem to have no choice.

"Admirals" of project 22350, of course, will get into operation. It's a matter of time, and until that moment the old men from the Soviet Navy will have to "drag".

In principle, if the hulls of ships allow (and they apparently do), then modernization is a fairly correct move.

As such, the Project 1155 BOD was frankly a very weakly armed ship, aimed exclusively at fighting enemy submarines. Well, some other escort operations, nothing more. For the 90s of the last century, the armament was also insufficient, the emphasis on artillery and mine-torpedo weapons made the ships inapplicable for other tasks.

The development of modern Russian weapons has made it possible to turn narrowly specific anti-submarine ships into attack frigates, which definitely look preferable to BODs.

The scale of the work, however, is somewhat disproportionate to the declared service life of 10 years. Too much money and labor and too little life. But there, as they say, it will be seen.

Yes, the problem of middle-class ships cannot be solved by endless upgrades, but if you take my personal opinion, then Shaposhnikov was a kind of pancake that came out lumpy. Vinogradov has every chance of becoming quite a decent frigate, at the level of the German Saxony or Brandenburg. Plus or minus, ships of the same class and ours do not look weak or flawed.


In general, such modernization, if it is done clearly and not like with Moscow, looks like a pretty decent set of works that will really allow Admiral Vinogradov to serve for some more years. It's only for our benefit.

The main thing is that the new frigate uniform for the Admiral Vinogradov does not look like Trishkin's caftan for the Soviet BOD.
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  1. +21
    25 December 2022 05: 14
    Is it "Peremoga" or "Zrada"? Hmmm ... Rather, it is a need that will be persistently passed off as a virtue. The modernization of old Soviet ships is good, in light of the fact that no new ships are expected to replace them in commercial quantities. However, the yard is restless, the economic situation is difficult, so the "terms to the right" will float with 146% probability ... And it will be a great success if there are no fires during repairs.
    1. +5
      25 December 2022 10: 29
      Quote: Anton Temnukhin
      Peremoga" is it or "zrada"? Hmmm ...

      Yes, what is it, the ship will soon be 34 years old, and that says it all ...
      There is simply no way out. The number of ships in the ocean zone is decreasing. The problem is solved (22350), but not without difficulty...
      The "Vinogradov" has every chance of becoming quite a decent frigate, at the level of the German "Saxony"

      Here the author turned down ... Saxony came out to plow the seas fifteen years later, there are incomparable electronic weapons, air defense systems with standards ... If they do, then our modernized frigate will unconditionally lead the anti-ship strike capabilities ...
    2. +6
      25 December 2022 11: 52
      "not foreseen" is not so simple here.
      When they design a new ship, they calculate
      1) what is or "in the morning" will appear from the armament.
      2) what about the "dvigunami"?
      And here we have a "spite". Engines for ships of the 1st rank, where were they made?
      Under EBN, so that the devils in hell are not lazy, they did not want to buy a license for the "Germans". So as not to offend the "fraternal people" and it is cheaper to use their engines.
      Well done Chinese: they bought a "commercial license," it's cheaper, and let's develop further.
      In Belarus, they also did it smartly: engines for new MTZ together with Steyer
    3. -13
      25 December 2022 12: 42
      You can easily build any ship. For an inexpensive one they will give two "unnecessary" islands, for a more expensive one they will sell half of the Far East. You need to know how to trade.
      1. 0
        25 December 2022 17: 38
        Quote: zenion
        For an inexpensive one they will give two "unnecessary" islands, for a more expensive one they will sell half of the Far East.

        For the sake of decency, take a look at the Constitution of the Russian Federation ... Or are you against its provision that the Russian Federation does not trade in "territories"!
        Quote: zenion
        You need to know how to trade.

        Looks like you can do just that! Sell ​​it, transfer the money to offshore companies, and then get yourself out of "this country" - everything is EBN... Building and creating is not about people like you! am
        1. +1
          26 December 2022 01: 28
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          For the sake of decency, take a look at the Constitution of the Russian Federation ... Or are you against its provision that the Russian Federation does not trade in "territories"!

          how does Kherson ... give back so much ... ?!!
          1. ada
            0
            1 January 2023 22: 08
            Quote: Vl Nemchinov
            ... like Kherson ... gives back like that ... ?!!
            And what about Kherson for you? It, in general, should not have been by a certain moment, just a coincidence of circumstances, some kind of absurdity and unexpectedness of the NWO. In general, I was somewhat surprised by the situation of the preservation of the city. Everything, the military operation completed its task - the time has come, although it is a pity for the bridgehead.
            Kherson was doomed starting from the end of the 80s, by the Ukrainian gentlemen themselves, who looked at me with a cunning squint, clearly imagining how they would look in the near future with European superiority because of the "ribbon" on the drowning "scoop" and on us, naked and barefoot, knocking on their "boyt" (board, Zhv.), but on the assumption that they are stupid people and they should look for a more favorable place to continue their life (not on the planned ashes), if they are not able to rule in their country , were very angry. And, perishing in 90 - what questions? They traded the country, the corrupt did not hesitate. National.
            How is life there now, among advanced Europioids, in the barrier section of the terrain? So this is not even close to that war. Passed? Fashion theme? Yes, they handed over the whole country to the West under the theater of operations and their joyful expectations.
            They left, and they did the right thing, but the task on the Left Bank is far from completed, but I believe that for a number of territories, including the city of Kherson, it will be ... (how to say this in a non-military term) - an environment unsuitable for comfortable living for the population for the period of several generations. There were worse things.
        2. 0
          19 March 2023 11: 27
          Let the Guarantor look into the Constitution that he does not put into anything)
    4. +7
      25 December 2022 13: 05
      Started reading the article
      equipped with two marching gas turbine diesel engines with a capacity of 22 hp. each and two afterburner gas turbine engines with a capacity of 500 hp.


      Instead of the outdated Dirk, the Shtil-1 air defense system will be installed. There is information that "Shtil" will be installed in the nose, knocking out 4 launchers "Kortika" from there
      ..

      I think what to do next - read to the end or immediately say what I think about the author?
      1. +1
        27 December 2022 00: 19
        Quote: S. Nikolaev
        I think what to do next - read to the end or immediately say what I think about the author?

        Yeah...
      2. +1
        28 December 2022 14: 25
        Tongue removed laughing
        Read up!
        There about the replacement of 800 k / meters of cable routes ....
        Everything else "unparalleled"
        "Saxony" is resting...
        And of course it's a shame kaneshna ....
  2. +1
    25 December 2022 05: 27
    This:
    was laid down at the Yantar Baltic Shipyard in Kaliningrad on February 5, 1986. Launched on June 4, 1987. She entered service on December 30, 1988, and was commissioned into the Pacific Fleet on May 1, 1989.

    Causes rejoicing, joy and a sense of pride for the country!!!
    The main thing is that the new frigate uniform for the Admiral Vinogradov does not look like Trishkin's caftan for the Soviet BOD.

    When I read up to this paragraph, my:
    The main thing is that the uniform of the frigate for "Admiral Vinogradov" does not turn out to be "Trishkin's caftan", which dragged the "Moskva" to the bottom

    It has ceased to be relevant.
    1. +9
      25 December 2022 05: 33
      After the sinking of the Black Sea Fleet "Moscow" flogship and the inactivity of the Black Sea Fleet in the NWO, you think more about what real use this ship will be?
      After all, the Black Sea Fleet and the Baltic Fleet can be said to be locked in their bases ... it means that Admiral Vinogradov can really be used only in the Northern Fleet and the Pacific Fleet ... is there infrastructure and tasks for him corresponding to his status?
      1. -3
        25 December 2022 06: 38
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        After all, the Black Sea Fleet and the Baltic Fleet can be said to be locked in their bases ...

        Alexey! Let's try to answer the question: "Why does some British or American destroyer in peacetime, in a situation where there is no declared war between Russia and these countries, calmly parade around the Black or Baltic Sea, and our fleets have received the status of locked ones?"
        Is there then a need to revise the quantitative and qualitative composition of these fleets so that they can fulfill any tasks to ensure the preservation of Russia's sovereignty in all forms? Why, after all, for thirty years nobody cares?
        I am not a naval officer (Ground Forces), but it is assumed that for these fleets the AUG will be sufficient (helicopter carriers are possible - for the Baltic) with all the necessary additional options. The main thing is not to be afraid of provocations ... You need to respond in a timely and adequate manner. Who are these overseas mentors carrying their sodomist knowledge to put up barriers for us?
        All this pack should REMEMBER ONCE AND FOR ALL !!!, which can become targets for the Russian fleet and the Aerospace Forces ...
        1. +5
          25 December 2022 10: 39
          Quote: yuriy55
          Why is it that some British or American destroyer in peacetime, in a situation where there is no declared war between Russia and these countries, calmly defiles along the waters of the Black or Baltic Sea

          Because it has opportunities for this and does not particularly feel the danger.
          Quote: yuriy55
          Is there then a need to revise the quantitative and qualitative composition of these fleets

          What a need!

          Quote: yuriy55
          Why, after all, for thirty years nobody cares?

          So there were only “partners” there for thirty years ... Now, if there were “opponents”, then yes ...
          Quote: yuriy55
          but I assume that for these fleets the AUG will be sufficient (the option of helicopter carriers is possible - for the Baltic) with all the necessary additional options.

          For the Baltic and Black Seas they will be redundant and very expensive. It would be enough for 6-8 fegates and the same number of light corvettes and NPLs, but modern ones ...
          Quote: yuriy55
          All this pack should REMEMBER ONCE AND FOR ALL !!!, which can become targets for the Russian fleet and the Aerospace Forces ...

          Absolutely agree hi
          1. -4
            25 December 2022 10: 49
            Quote: Doccor18
            For the Baltic and Black Seas they will be redundant and very expensive.

            Aircraft carriers should be ... Even if they are smaller in size ... Where without aviation?
            1. +4
              25 December 2022 11: 02
              Quote: yuriy55
              Aircraft carriers must be...

              I do not agree. The size of the water areas is quite acceptable for the successful operation (solution of all tasks) of naval aviation from the shore. Two IS regiments for each of the Fleets will be enough. Helicopters from the shore can be compensated by helicopters based on frigates / corvettes ...
              1. 0
                26 December 2022 04: 09
                It is necessary to take into account the development of means of attack. For example, the use of swarms of UAVs and underwater drones in large numbers, as well as mass missile launches. Small ships cannot carry both a large ammunition load and various means of detection at different lines. Also, small vessels are not stable platforms and cannot be protected by armor and free volumes as passive protection. It seems to me that the time has come to build the so-called combat platforms - with a displacement of at least 25 thousand tons, and preferably 50-75 thousand tons. Such ships have large free volumes to accommodate a variety of weapons, detection, control, protection and have great autonomy in terms of providing conditions for the crew and in terms of supplies for navigation. In addition, they can be based on UAVs, underwater drones, etc. On the deck, it is possible to install large add-ons to raise detection equipment to a great height. Something remotely similar began to be built in Iran, based on the alteration of civilian super anchors. But so far, they have only ships for command and control of the water area. We need to go further.
              2. PPD
                +1
                26 December 2022 22: 15
                The size of the water areas is quite acceptable for the successful operation (solution of all tasks) of naval aviation from the shore.
                And how did aviation help a lot in the naval battle in the war of 888?
        2. +2
          25 December 2022 12: 01
          “you need to answer in a timely manner” on TV they said: in 1987 an American brazenly entered our waters and “I don’t hear or see anything”, then an order from Moscow: push it out by force.! They picked up the ship in size and it began to put pressure on the Americans with the whole body. All no longer brazen.
          1. +1
            26 December 2022 22: 21
            If you use any boat, on which you can roll up a sewer truck with a hose and a more powerful pump, then in peacetime you can also drive an aircraft carrier. Well, no one will start a war because of this very thing, the descendants will simply laugh
          2. 0
            29 December 2022 01: 10
            Yes, the bulk of our skr on York town, I don’t remember which one is true, 1135pr
          3. 0
            29 January 2023 14: 45
            yes, in what sizes!))) our numbered TFRs were almost 2 times smaller in terms of displacement. that of the YORKTOWN cruiser, that of EM CARON. and the maneuver is called NAVAL. and they didn’t get impudent about it. why? this rkr then calmly came to Murmansk at 92, and our sailors greeted them as guests.
      2. 0
        25 December 2022 06: 38
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        it means that Admiral Vinogradov can really be used only in the Federation Council and the TF ... is there infrastructure and tasks for him corresponding to his status?

        So he serves there. And in the World Cup and BM, the task of the fleet in wartime is as simple as scrap - to stand at the bases and fire the Caliber KR, if necessary, supporting coastal air defense systems with their air defense systems.
        1. +5
          25 December 2022 10: 31
          Why is a warship needed if its task in wartime is to stand at its bases and play the role of a FIXED launcher for the missile defense system and the air defense system battery? For the money that it costs to build a ship, you can have three times as many missiles and three, if not more, SAM batteries. Moreover, unlike a ship, all this goodness can be dispersed, disguised, ensuring much better survival. So do not take it for a personal attack, but you wrote nonsense.
          1. +4
            25 December 2022 11: 42
            Quote: UAZ 452
            Moreover, unlike a ship, all this goodness can be dispersed, disguised, ensuring much better survival.

            That's how it is, but in peacetime, ships are needed for the projection of force. Is it possible to send conventional rocket batteries to the Mediterranean? no, you can’t, but the ship can.
            1. +6
              25 December 2022 12: 46
              You can only project what is. I often hear the definition of "flag demonstration". But this term itself is an indicator of parade-ostentatious thinking. It's one thing when some trifle from the US Navy shows the flag, only a dozen AUGs stand behind it. And who will be impressed by our flag? In what kind of distant seas-okiyans do we need to show it when we have potential front lines with stronger opponents hundreds of kilometers from the capital? In a possible future war (and we are very likely not talking about a very distant future), what will be more useful to us - thirty missiles on ground launchers and several batteries of air defense systems or one ship with eight missiles, and hardly able to protect even itself from air and submarine attack? But we will have to choose - we will not be able to be strong everywhere, both at sea and on land - we will overstrain once again.
              1. 0
                25 December 2022 14: 08
                Quote: UAZ 452
                In what kind of distant seas-okiyans do we need to show it when we have potential front lines with stronger opponents hundreds of kilometers from the capital?

                Our only enemy is thousands of miles from the capital.
                Quote: UAZ 452
                But we will have to choose - we will not be able to be strong everywhere, both at sea and on land - we will overstrain once again.

                That is why the Black Sea Fleet and the Baltic Fleet are saturated with RTOs. Of course, they are more expensive than ground launchers, but certainly an order of magnitude cheaper than ships of the 1st rank.
                1. +1
                  26 December 2022 21: 21
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  Our only enemy is thousands of miles from the capital.

                  Our real enemy is in the capital itself. And not only in the capital. With such internal enemies, external enemies can be forgotten.
              2. +1
                25 December 2022 17: 57
                Quote: UAZ 452
                And who will be impressed by our flag? In some such distant seas, oceans, it is so necessary for us to show it,

                1. our FLAG has so far impressed EVERYONE who was with us in the same water area;
                2. For us, the waters of the Mediterranean Sea are still STRATEGICALLY important ... There are at least 2 US SSBNs and 1-2 NATO SSBNs (Fr, Eng,) plus 2-3 NATO AMGs with 150-160 units of TNW carriers. In addition, 3-4 submarines / SSGNs with CRBD ... So, there is where to "show" our presence.
                On occasion, let me remind you of the complaints of the British about the fact that our submarines, while monitoring their submarines, disrupted the implementation of the BZ for launching the CRBD for the targets planned on the territory of the SAR. This is so, by the way. But in addition to the DPL in the waters of the SRM, there are also KSF boats with nuclear power and slightly different performance characteristics than 636.3.
                AHA.
      3. +2
        25 December 2022 10: 30
        well, Moscow did not undergo modernization, it was rather closer to the capital
        1. 0
          25 December 2022 12: 52
          Until now, at the Pacific Fleet, her sister ship "Varyag", after the same modernization, or capital, or just painting, so that it looks proud at the parade, is waiting for a long overdue write-off. Well, or a heroic and useless death from the very first rocket.
          1. +2
            25 December 2022 18: 08
            The only Atlant that has undergone modernization at Sevmash, Ustinov!
            We look forward to going to sea next year after the modernization of the cruiser Ushakov!)))
      4. +2
        25 December 2022 11: 05
        It seems that you are poorly versed in the Maritime business! (
        Geographically, both the Baltic and Black Seas are inland seas!
        At the Baltic Fleet, the flagship is the destroyer pr. 956, and the fleet of the coastal zone is developing there, taking into account the isolation of the basin. Two Hawks, 4 corvettes, plus RTOs (Buyans and Karakurts) cover the entire database theater.
        BSF, a slightly different situation. Crimea is the dominant and unsinkable geographic aircraft carrier. Large-capacity ships are needed for the Mediterranean KG (Tartus and a detachment of Our ships and Khmeimin Aviation, a bone in NATO's throat). The helicopter carrier under construction, two frigates 22350, which are intended for the Black Sea Fleet, will be of great help in the Eastern Mediterranean! And, in the Black Sea, corvettes 22380 (22385), Soviet RTOs and modern Buyans and Karakurts are sufficient!
        Yes, and the pearl about the infrastructure for the BOD in the Northern Fleet and Pacific Fleet, finally speaks of your competence in maritime affairs! Vinogradov was and will serve after modernization at the Pacific Fleet !!!
        1. 0
          26 December 2022 22: 30
          With the BF, everything is much more complicated than with the Black Sea Fleet. In which case, the Poles will start firing at the Kaliningrad base of the Baltic Fleet with conventional artillery. Missiles can be shot down, there will be no stone left unturned from Warsaw (but they are no strangers), but with such shelling it is not clear what to do
          1. 0
            13 September 2023 14: 51
            No one will stand at the base if something happens. Baltiysk is not Sevastopol. If something happens, ships go to sea. What about firing artillery at moving naval targets from more than 20 km away? It's kind of fun.
    2. +2
      25 December 2022 11: 27
      Well, until the Moscow Region solves the problem of supply chains and the increase in the cost of building ships, you can forget about the terms of 2 years for a frigate, on the same Yantar now there are 4 employees, and before there were 000 thousand.
    3. +4
      25 December 2022 15: 49
      Yes! "Gas turbine diesel engines" is a masterpiece!
  3. +20
    25 December 2022 06: 17
    "Admiral Vinogradov" is equipped with two marching gas turbine diesel engines 22 hp

    New type of engine? belay
    1. +10
      25 December 2022 09: 13
      Admiral Vinogradov is equipped with two 22 hp marching gas turbine diesel engines.
      A new word in engine building. How is it with the parodist Ivanov - "The pen wrote / overtaking even thought"
      1. +4
        25 December 2022 12: 12
        Quote: Aviator_
        A new word in engine building. How is it with the parodist Ivanov - "The pen wrote / overtaking even thought"

        Alexander Ivanov also had an even more biting (for such "perlo creators" as the author of the article), a reprise, -
        - https://youtu.be/1OAik17jEpc ...
        for such creativity-talents (!). Edgy but sharp!!! hi
      2. avg
        +2
        25 December 2022 14: 17
        Quote: Aviator_
        "Admiral Vinogradov" is equipped with two marching gas turbine diesel engines with a capacity of 22 hp.

        Yeah ... How do you like Elon Musk? request
    2. 0
      26 December 2022 10: 26
      Quote: K-50
      New type of engine? :belay:

      But yak. From category swift jacks Nikifor Lyapis-Trubetskoy.
    3. 0
      13 September 2023 15: 00
      So he also mixed them up in some places. He called the marching ones afterburners and vice versa. And instead of the Dagger, he armed Vinogradov with the Dirk.
  4. +6
    25 December 2022 06: 22
    The ship is 33 years old, similar American ones were decommissioned after 37 and 26 years of operation. Thus, it can be APPROVED that our ship has a golden MEAN life cycle. (Text at the beginning of the article). Is the author in mathematics in the Marvel universe a medalist, or with an age of 33, is the middle 15-16 years old anyway? Hand face!
    1. +1
      25 December 2022 10: 43
      Quote: evgen1221
      Thus, it can be APPROVED that our ship has a golden mean of life

      Apparently the author had in mind the middle between 37 and 26 years. As for the age of the ship itself, it is close to the maximum. But you also need to take into account the intensity of its operation and the level of maintenance over this period.
      1. +1
        25 December 2022 11: 18
        The author meant Wishlist soft with a square to make friends.
    2. +7
      25 December 2022 11: 09
      Excuse me, but the ships are laid on bedridden patients, and we have ships !!!
      1. +1
        25 December 2022 11: 21
        We look at the marine register of the Russian Federation, we read carefully and do not dig to the post.
  5. +2
    25 December 2022 06: 51
    630s will remain at Vinogradov, control from the latest modification of Bagheera. Good station unlike lion and puma
    1. +1
      25 December 2022 18: 06
      Quote from: FoBoss_VM
      630s will remain at Vinogradov, control from the latest modification of Bagheera. Good station unlike lion and puma

      Yes, Bagheera is better than VIMPEL (!) From which this "Gas Cutter" fired in the main way all its life. bully
      And Leo and Puma are ARS for medium caliber, and not for MZA, however. Yes
      1. +2
        26 December 2022 09: 12
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        Lev and Puma are ARS for medium caliber, and not for MZA, however.

        Dear Alexander, can you explain to me ... from where on Vinogradov, according to citizen Skomorokhov, "Kortik" appeared ???
        1. +5
          26 December 2022 10: 30
          Quote: Serg65
          Dear Alexander, can you explain to me ... from where on Vinogradov, according to citizen Skomorokhov, "Kortik" appeared ???

          Duc is ... "Dagger", "Dagger" - what's the difference, the author will still understand the varieties of pierel.
          Say thank you that the "Rapier" did not appear on the "Vinogradov".
          1. +3
            26 December 2022 10: 31
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Say thank you that the "Rapier" did not appear on the "Vinogradov".

            And it would be cool)))
  6. +5
    25 December 2022 07: 00
    Has anyone been punished for Moscow? Not only for the mediocre loss of the flagship, but also for the bungling described here during the so-called. repair?
    1. 0
      25 December 2022 08: 58
      Quote: ermak124.0
      Has anyone been punished for Moscow? Not only for the mediocre loss of the flagship, but also for the bungling described here during the so-called. repair?

      The commander of the Black Sea Fleet was removed, obviously they also removed someone else .. And let's be realistic. What tasks were set, so com. fleet of the Black Sea Fleet and acted ... Punished or not? I do not know . There is no information. But this does not mean that conclusions were not drawn and punishment was not followed ..
  7. TIR
    0
    25 December 2022 08: 46
    Shipbuilding, military and civil, can become a locomotive for the development of the Far East. Moreover, we have huge needs for new destroyers and for the entire line of civilian ships. Rather than buying oil tankers and dry cargo ships in South Korea, it is easier to build them at home. Truth and BAM will need to be expanded
    1. +3
      25 December 2022 11: 12
      Read the shipbuilding program at the Amur Shipyard!
      Perhaps the questions will disappear. BAM is already expanding, and there a metallurgical plant is needed tied to shipbuilding !!!
      1. +3
        26 December 2022 09: 27
        Quote: Sergey39
        a metallurgical plant tied to shipbuilding is needed there !!!

        It has been under construction for a year now, 15 km from Zvezda!
  8. +5
    25 December 2022 08: 51
    Quote: yuriy55
    was laid down at the Yantar Baltic Shipyard in Kaliningrad on February 5, 1986. Launched on June 4, 1987. She entered service on December 30, 1988, and was commissioned into the Pacific Fleet on May 1, 1989.

    I also noticed that it was the pace! Now it’s just that repairs have been carried out for decades. And money is “tumbled in” - you can build a new ship. hi
    1. +2
      26 December 2022 09: 35
      Quote: fa2998
      I also noticed that it was the pace!

      Three years of construction + a year of commissioning works in the presence of all related plants, the same period is not short!
  9. +1
    25 December 2022 08: 58
    how many times to the right will the end of modernization be shifted? and will such a ship be needed, in the year of commercials in 2035?
    1. +1
      25 December 2022 11: 09
      everything depends on how quickly the Ministry of Defense will come to the idea of ​​​​building a large series of corvettes / frigates / destroyers with the intensification of production, you can forget about this for the next 5 years. priority given to ground forces explicitly
      1. +1
        25 December 2022 18: 14
        18 corvettes 20380 (20385) - is this a series or a single building?
        10 frigates 22350 and further development in 22350M - is this a series or a single building?
        1. 0
          26 December 2022 01: 33
          Quote: Sergey39
          10 frigates 22350 and further development in 22350M - is it a series or a single building?
          so far two (in fact), and the rest are "wet dreams" ...
          1. +1
            27 December 2022 02: 51
            Quote: Vl Nemchinov
            so far two (in fact), and the rest are "wet dreams" ...

            Well, all the same, the third on sea trials, if they are successful, a normal series will go. And I suspect that we won’t limit ourselves to 10 pennants ... when another 22350M is born there and the lead one is laid ... apparently it will be a completely different ship in terms of VI, capabilities and equipment. We are already talking about VI in 8000 - 10 tons and 000 UVP cells in 64 UKKS. This means that the construction and fine-tuning of the head one will take time, and at this time they will build project 8 (with 22350.1 UKKS).
            Greetings, Vladimir!
            1. 0
              30 December 2022 23: 22
              Quote: bayard
              Greetings, Vladimir!
              hi
              mutually (!). always with affection hi
              Quote: bayard
              Quote: Vl Nemchinov
              so far two (actually), and the rest - "wet dreams" ...

              Ну still the third on sea trials if successful

              I do not argue, but in the ranks - so far two (actually) hi alas and unfortunately ... but the fact recourse
              Quote: bayard
              ... if they are successful, a normal series will go
              I hope so too ...
              how are the classics, - "... I myself am glad to be deceived" ...?!! request
      2. +3
        25 December 2022 18: 16
        Quote: Barberry25
        priority given to ground forces explicitly

        No ... Priority is still given to the Aerospace Forces / Strategic Missile Forces !!! And it is right. There will be "bones" - (RVSN / Air Force), and meat - (general-purpose forces), we will somehow increase the thread!
        And in general, judging by the latest Collegium of the RF Ministry of Defense, our entire military organization of the state is in for a BIG RESTRUCTURING!
        2 VOs are created, the land moves to the normal THREE-LEVEL system: regiment-divia-corps / army. The brigades are deployed into normal divisions. Given that the strategic commands (directions) will remain.
        We will see all this at Zapade-2023. Yes
        AHA.
      3. +2
        26 December 2022 09: 36
        Quote: Barberry25
        everything depends on how quickly the Ministry of Defense will come to the idea of ​​​​building a large series of corvettes / frigates / destroyers

        And it depends on MO????
  10. +7
    25 December 2022 08: 58
    Dagger, Dagger ... Dagger-Dagger ... The author already decide what was there and read it before sending it to publication.
    1. 0
      25 December 2022 21: 21
      There have never been daggers there. Only on 1155.1 Chabanenko.
      1. +3
        26 December 2022 09: 45
        Quote: huntsman650
        There have never been daggers there. Only on 1155.1 Chabanenko.

        Don’t shoot, the author is not a sailor ... he is a prose writer ... but what bunnies are about, this is a mystery !!!
    2. +2
      26 December 2022 09: 43
      Quote: Introvert
      The author has already decided what was there

      citizen Skomorokhov is not a writer, he is more of a copy-paste.
      Here's what I understand as the original...
      https://dzen.ru/a/YuycHBIGGGR-R9ph
      The same mistakes, the same assumptions, the "author" only attributed the ending in his propaganda style!
  11. +5
    25 December 2022 09: 28
    NOT a military specialist, but such blunders cut the ear.
    replaced by PU anti-ship missiles "Uranus" (2x4). "Admiral Vinogradov" is equipped with two marching gas turbine diesel engines with a capacity of 22 hp each and two afterburner gas turbine engines with a capacity of 9 hp.as with diesel engines from the Russian NPO Saturn, which promised to bring to mind the Russian analogue of the M-70, the so-called M-70FRU. The tower was dismantled along with the mechanisms for turning and supplying ammunition, and in its place fit 2 launchers for 8 missiles each. At Vinogradov, they want to repeat this operation, plus add more 2 PU 8 missiles somewhere behind the helicopter hangar. As a result, it turns out that "Vinogradov" will carry 36 missiles type P-800, "Caliber" and "Zircon".To set the declared quantity X-35, which is 4 launchers with 4 launchers cells, removing the "Tell" will not be enough.
    It's just what is in plain sight. Even the desire to criticize everything must be treated "FRIENDLY" comrades
    1. +4
      25 December 2022 12: 07
      It's just another opus from Skomorokhov! He may not be a bad journalist, but in addition to working with sources like Wikipedia, you also need to have other knowledge of naval affairs! And, the result is an amateurish article designed for amateurs and their admirers! (((
  12. +9
    25 December 2022 10: 00
    "Admiral Vinogradov" is equipped with two main gas turbine diesel engines ... "- in the struggle of the keyboard with competence, the keyboard won! Dear Roman, you still read your texts before publishing, otherwise the appearance of "gas turbine diesel engines" will reject age readers from you with normal Soviet education.
    1. +2
      25 December 2022 10: 38
      In principle, there was a big article on VO
      Analysis: why are Saturn gas turbine engines better than Zorya-Mashproekt gas turbine engines
      April 29 2017

      Of course, this is not a diesel engine or an internal combustion engine, but a gas turbine.
      Who is interested read
      https://topwar.ru/114597-analiz-chem-gazoturbinnye-dvigateli-saturna-luchshe-gtd-zorya-mashproekt.html
    2. +2
      25 December 2022 11: 18
      Dear Roman, you, after all, read your texts before publishing, otherwise the appearance of "gas turbine diesel engines"

      And what's the point that he will read the text before issuing it with a seal, if he does not understand the difference between a turbine and a diesel engine. It's just letters and sounds for him.
      1. +1
        25 December 2022 18: 17
        And, most likely, the rustle of banknotes !!!
        The golden calf rules!
  13. D16
    +4
    25 December 2022 10: 12
    With spare parts, everything is sad, about the same as with diesel engines from the Russian NPO Saturn, which promised to bring to mind the Russian analogue of the M-70, the so-called M-70FRU.

    Everything about this sentence is great... lol What is this diesel engine from NPO Saturn? How have ZoryaMashProekt products been capitalized in Russia so far? After all, until recently, all naval GTAs were Ukrainian-made.
    RBU-6000 can be sent to the Navy Museum.

    There is no need to rush (s). Suppose the enemy's diesel engine lay down on the ground. How will you destroy it with the "Response-Package"?
  14. +2
    25 December 2022 10: 27
    "Admiral Vinogradov" is equipped with two marching gas turbine diesel engines 22 hp each and two afterburner gas turbine engines with a capacity of 500 hp.

    Diesel-gas turbine units are equipped with main engines (ICE) and afterburners (GTE).
    1. +2
      25 December 2022 12: 37
      Judging by the minuses, not only the author sat uselessly in physics classes at school ass.
      CODAG (English COmbined Diesel And Gas turbine, lit. a combination of a diesel and a gas turbine) is a combined diesel-gas turbine ship power plant in which a diesel and a gas turbine work together on one propeller shaft. The gearbox allows either of the two engines to operate alone or both engines together.

      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/CODAG
      1. 0
        13 September 2023 15: 25
        What does this have to do with it? The Project 1155M ship "Admiral Vinogradov" is equipped with two D090 sustainer gas turbine engines of 9000 hp each, and two DT59 afterburning gas turbine engines of 22500 hp each.
  15. +1
    25 December 2022 11: 42
    In the case of Marshal Shaposhnikov, the Ukrainian gas turbine engines were not replaced by Russian ones. What will happen to Vinogradov is a question.

    I think that they will do the same - they will leave the old engines. There are no problems with the construction of hulls now, while there are no engines even for new ships. I have the impression that they are modernizing our old ships instead of replacing them with new ones just to use their engines, because the new ones seem to have begun to be produced, but it seems that production is still experimental.
    1. +2
      25 December 2022 12: 27
      I suggest that you familiarize yourself with the information on which engine is installed on frigates 22350 Admiral Golovko (passed the first stage of sea trials), Admiral Isakov next on the schedule and frigates next on the construction schedule ???
      1. +2
        25 December 2022 12: 40
        Does this refute the acute shortage of ship engines that slows down the production of frigates?
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  16. +3
    25 December 2022 12: 24
    "NPO" Saturn "this is the whole trouble: we" wisely "decided that" Zorya * the whole Union to supply dviguns.
    "Saturn" has not yet reached its design capacity.
    Previously, there was a comrade "Fuel cutter * he knew everything about ships and engines for them.
    "rybentsi" so far: "they give a teaspoon per hour." So they are guessing: where is it more necessary?
    It's like Stalin, in November 1941, distributed the PTRD piece by piece along the fronts.
    So about with "rybintsy". Why did they stop building "admirals" ("Talaver"). It’s easier to repair 2-3, but for now, develop and put on stream new ones
  17. +3
    25 December 2022 13: 11
    . As such, the Project 1155 BOD was frankly a very weakly armed ship, aimed exclusively at fighting enemy submarines.

    This ship was conceived to work in tandem with the project 956 destroyer. The destroyer in this "duo" was assigned strike and air defense functions, the BOD was supposed to perform the functions of an anti-aircraft defense ship. Unfortunately, our industry has not been able to create "two in one".
    1. +1
      25 December 2022 18: 24
      These BODs were conceived in the Sov. Doctrine to combat American submarines in the oceans. And, under this doctrine, they built the BOD from project 61, which We called toothless. There were KPUGs which included heterogeneous ships for their intended purpose, including the BOD.
    2. +3
      25 December 2022 18: 41
      Unfortunately, our industry has not been able to create "two in one".
      Well, not really. The attempt was also very successful. I'm talking about project 1155.1 "Adm. Chabanenko". He had a shock RO - 2 × 4 PU anti-ship missiles "Moskit". Self-defense air defense complex --2 Kinzhal air defense systems (64 missiles); 2 ZRAK "Dagger" (128 missiles, 24 rounds). and strong PLO - 000 × 2 launchers PLUR "Waterfall" (4 PLUR 24-RN or 83-RN). PTZ tasks were solved by RBU-84 - 1200 × 2 - 10 mm RBU-300 (12000 RSL). Among other things, he had a TO - 120 × 2 mm TA ChTA-533-53 (1155 torpedoes 8-53K, SET-65 or PLUR 65RN). And to top it all off - 83 Ka-2PL helicopters.
      So, Chabanenko was a very "toothy" fighter for his time. But he was alone! Everything began to collapse, and countries too ... And then we started with Grachenko ... Therefore, we need to do everything wisely and start building a BALANCED Russian Navy anew.
      IMHO.
  18. +3
    25 December 2022 13: 14
    equipped with two main gas turbine diesel engines 22 hp each
    wassat
    Author! you need to have a snack when you write an article! wassat
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  20. +1
    25 December 2022 16: 25
    Speaking the language of the neighbors, let's try to understand whether this is a win or is it a nuisance? In general, the question is quite complicated, so you will have to rummage through a bunch of information related to both the Project 1155 ship and what they plan to do with it.

    Alas, the author was unable to master the "heap of information", as a result of which his thought flowed through channels far from reality.
    Anti-submarine torpedoes MTT and anti-torpedo AT are more compact, and therefore 2 x 4 launchers can be placed on the sides. Paket-NK intends to use its own Paket-AE target designation sonar, but the Polinom sonar has already been installed on Vinogradov, which, in principle, is capable of detecting submarines within a radius of 40-50 km. The station is Soviet, it cannot be called new. But given the range of MTT torpedoes of 20 km, it is quite enough for target designation for these torpedoes.

    Of course, if it is possible to dismantle the Polynom under-keel, then this must be done with a replacement in favor of a newer and more advanced Package-AE.

    The question is that the MTT torpedo of the "modern" Packet-NK complex, according to the characteristics provided by the manufacturer
    The range of the equipment of the anti-submarine channel of the homing system (SSN) for a submarine target with an equivalent radius of 3 ... 4 m at speeds of the submarine target of 3 ... 35 knots:
    at a sea depth of more than 200 meters - 2,5 km
    at a sea depth of 40 to 200 meters - 1,5 km
  21. 0
    26 December 2022 12: 09
    And the author definitely did not confuse "Dagger" and "Dagger"? What kind of launchers does "Dagger" have, what for, that can be "knocked out of the hull" of the ship ???
  22. 0
    26 December 2022 13: 34
    I wonder what about "Admiral Chabanenko"? How is it modernized?
    1. 0
      26 December 2022 15: 10
      Quote: Efiop
      I wonder what about "Admiral Chabanenko"? How is it modernized?

      judging by the fact that the power plant 1155, at one time, did not begin to "clone", and did not attend to the release of analogues of such gas turbine engines, on their territory ... (!) ...
      Just like in the case of "Vinogradov", ... in reality, the patient is more dead than alive ...
      and irrevocably...
      Most likely, just during the modernization of "Shaposhnikov", they used underworn gas turbine engines from the (donor) "Kharlamov" .... (!).
      No more donors...!!! (it’s a pity, of course, - turbopatriots), but most likely, this is a FACT ...
      There are simply NO analogues of "their gas turbine engines", such as DT-59, or marching D-090 .. !!!!
      M-75, planned to replace them, "never went into the light serially" (!) ...
      And the afterburner M-90 FR, instead of the DT-59, ... is probably redundant and cumbersome ...
  23. 0
    26 December 2022 14: 07
    The news is definitely good. If the condition of the body allows, why not. The main thing is not to delay the repair and modernization. And they didn’t burn out of carelessness, as it regularly happens with Kuznetsov.
  24. 0
    26 December 2022 15: 01
    C
    The cost of such a modernization is clearly more than 50% of the original. 10 years is not enough, you need at least another 15 years of service.
  25. exo
    +1
    26 December 2022 16: 59
    Most often, the advantages of modernization kill the timing of its implementation. And there is nothing to say about the long-suffering Kuznetsov. But, we are unlikely to build aircraft carriers in the short term. There is probably a point.
    But instead of upgrading 1155, it is better to build another 22350. Or, which is better: 22350M. Of course, provided that our imported engines and TZA work normally. I think that as a result, in terms of terms (real, not declared), it will turn out faster.
    1. 0
      26 December 2022 19: 31
      I repeat - we build hulls much faster than engines for them. Therefore, they took up the modernization of those old men who had not yet been completely killed by ugly exploitation in the 90s. It seems that if this were not a direct recognition of the full F, which was allowed, refusing to create their own engines for 30 years, motivating by the need to feed the enterprises of a neighboring state, then instead of such an expensive, complex and short-lived modernization, they would probably put in new ships old engines (then could they be replaced with fresher ones?) And so - we pretend that everything is going according to plan, we don’t need more, we just save like that.
  26. 0
    26 December 2022 20: 01
    It looks like another scam with a drink of big money from the budget.

    Algeria is offered to build new frigates on Yantar. 11356 which, in any case, is better than 33-year-old BOD pr. 1155.
    And at the same time they are modernizing 33-year-old rubbish at the price of a new frigate .....
    How lacking is the Chinese or North Korean approach to reduce the number of thieving officials ....
    1. 0
      26 December 2022 20: 09
      Perhaps they are trying to repeat the same scheme as with frigates for India? (When we sold the ships destined for us to the Indians, the engines for which they refused to supply us, and the same engines were delivered, as it were, not to us, but to India)
    2. 0
      27 December 2022 13: 21
      If we compare the performance characteristics of a project 11356 patrol boat (in fact, an export frigate of the near sea zone) and a large, but, in my opinion, still poorly armed destroyer with project 1155.1M URO, it will become clear to anyone that a destroyer in today's Pacific Fleet is much more preferable than a frigate.
  27. +1
    26 December 2022 23: 39
    It is very doubtful that the German frigates of the "Saxony" type, although they are much younger than our BOD, could compete with the same "Admiral Vinogradov" ... The "Admiral Vinogradov" will be armed with: "Caliber", "Onyx", "Uranus "with ranges up to - 2000 km ("Caliber"), and the frigates: "Saxony" and "Brandenburg" are armed with "Harpoons" and an even more ancient "Exoset", with a range, at best, 10 times less .. This is a weapon that has a place in the museum .... God knows what in terms of air defense systems: "Standard", capable of intercepting targets at a height of 150 m, and (on the "Brandenburg") "Sea Sparrow", whose performance is somewhat better . ..And with regards to age ships, the Americans still have Nimitz-class aircraft carriers in service, the eldest of which will be 48 years old at lunch ... Such a round figure and no one has yet assembled the ancient "old man" Nimitz "send for scrapping, for" needles ".... So with normal modernization, it is possible that" Admiral Vinogradov "will serve for another 20 years ... And that's good!
  28. 0
    27 December 2022 01: 20
    equipped with two main gas turbine diesel engines with a capacity of 22 hp.
    -----------(((


    What? Gas turbine diesels? You may not read further.
  29. +1
    27 December 2022 10: 50
    Yeah. "Irrelevant Dagger". That's why the land Thor is "lashed" on "patrol ships" instead of a helicopter.
  30. -1
    27 December 2022 21: 58
    All this is patching Trishkin's caftan, because judging by the pace and number of units being introduced, the future of the Russian Navy for the coming decades is 20-25 nuclear submarines plus diesel-electric submarines, pr. 06363, corvettes, pr. 20380/20385, RTOs, pr. the Soviet period will give us "white elephants" with the combat capability of the deceased RKR "Moskva".
    1. 0
      29 January 2023 14: 44
      I don’t minus you, but you forgot about the RTO Karakurt and the most important weapon of the far sea zone, the frigate 22350 (two in service, one on trials 5 in different degrees of readiness and two contracted. And of course the next series of frigates 22350M. Cruiser Nakhimov and his numerous weapons, starting with the Zircon, his only minus is his large displacement.)
      And it's normal that people are divided into two parts, some have a glass half full, and others half empty!!!
  31. 0
    28 December 2022 14: 28
    Quote: Kok_Ivanov
    Tongue removed laughing
    Read up!
    There about the replacement of 800 k / meters of cable routes ....
    Everything else "unparalleled"
    "Saxony" is resting...
    And it's so embarrassing...
  32. 0
    29 January 2023 14: 35
    Everyone's favorite and respected Skomorokhov, again exaggerated and is trying to cast a shadow on the wattle fence!
    It is not for him to judge the results of Shaposhnikov's modernization. Both in terms of air defense and X35, and this missile is an analogue of the Harpoon, which NATO ships are armed with, AK 630 is a combat and topical complex.
    Do not forget that any ship of our time is a group weapon and they rarely sail alone. BOD is the BOD, not an attack ship. For this reason, there was a bias in the PLO weapons.
    There is nothing to blame on Moscow, which was not modernized, but made in Sevastopol, an incomprehensible engine repair. Now, if it were modernized, like Ustinov, or at worst, like the Varyag.
    The NK package is usually located below deck and the on-board placement of the X-35 anti-ship missiles in the launch containers will not take up much space and they will not interfere with each other.
    The Otvet system has been tested and put into service. So, anti-submarine weapons, plus a helicopter will be enough.
    It looks very positive, the desire to place Calm air defense on the tank and stern, which our three last Burevestnik 11356 are armed with.
    Our industry has learned how to repair Ukrainian engines from Zorya-Mashproekt. The last example that was repaired at Yantar is the Neustrashimy TFR. Replacing Ukrainian gas turbine engines with gas turbine engines of the Russian Federation is complicated and impractical. For this reason, they refused to complete the construction of the admiral series of frigates Burevestnik 11356.
    The upgraded frigates will still serve in the Pacific Fleet. They will be replaced by 4 frigates 22350, which are at different stages of construction, according to the plan until 2026, should be handed over to the fleet, only one BUT! Our Shipbuilding Corporation has not yet learned how to hand over ships on time, without shifts to the right.
    To our entire fleet, seven feet under the keel!)))
  33. 0
    17 February 2023 13: 29
    Tin, of course, such colossus was built in 1,5 years ... now they will be picking for 20-30 years, and as a result, they will not be completed. And there are hundreds of such examples...
    And all this was exchanged for jeans and Coca-Cola ........ fool
  34. 0
    27 February 2023 07: 06
    --- "Instead of the obsolete Kortik, the Shtil-1 air defense system will be installed ... it will be installed in the nose, knocking out 4 Kortika launchers from there" ----
    Author ... Didn't you confuse "Dagger" with "Dagger"? As far as I remember, there was no "Dagger" at all - there were 4 AK-630s ... And in the nose there are not 4, but 8 "Dagger" installations - It looks like there are 4 in the photo...
  35. Eug
    0
    8 March 2023 20: 43
    There is a mistake in the article - NPO Saturn does not make a diesel engine, it has mastered the production of afterburner gas turbines and economical turbines.
  36. 0
    19 March 2023 11: 31
    Skomorokhov, this portal is not "95 quarter", here clowns with illiterate compilations on near-naval topics are not needed ...
    Teach yourself, young man, at least in naval matters and - materiel ...

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