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The President explained the reason for the refusal to intensify hostilities during the special operation

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The President explained the reason for the refusal to intensify hostilities during the special operation

After the meeting of the State Council, the President held a press conference, during which he answered a number of questions related, among other things, to the progress of the special military operation. Vladimir Putin was asked if there was a variant of the negotiation process with the Kyiv regime.


The head of state noted that any armed conflict sooner or later ends with a negotiation process. For the umpteenth time, Vladimir Putin pointed out that Russia does not refuse negotiations, unlike the Kyiv regime, which forbade itself to negotiate. Putin called this approach of the Kyiv authorities "strange" and added that you can ban something as much as you like, drag out the situation, but in any case, the conflict will end with negotiations.

Also during the press conference, the president also touched upon the question of why the Russian troops are not intensifying the conduct of hostilities. The Russian president named the reason, noting that any intensification of hostilities always and everywhere leads to a significant increase in losses.

The president:

I have said many times that the intensification of hostilities leads to unjustified losses.

After that, President Putin pointedly added: "The hen pecks grain by grain."

There was also talk of the upcoming deliveries of Patriot air defense systems to Ukraine. The President of Russia called this air defense system a rather old system, which is inferior even to the S-300 air defense system.

Putin:

Let's slap them too

Recall that a wide range of issues was discussed during the meeting of the State Council. Particular attention was paid to the need to support volunteers and Russian youth. According to Putin, it is extremely important to ensure the continuity of generations for the full development of the country.
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  1. Orange Bigg
    Orange Bigg 22 December 2022 20: 36
    -34
    . After that, President Putin pointedly added: "The hen pecks grain by grain."


    A hint at Zelensky?
    The Russian president named the reason, noting that any intensification of hostilities always and everywhere leads to a significant increase in losses.


    The quieter you go, the further you'll get.
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 22 December 2022 20: 44
      -23
      Yeah, you go quieter, they’ll carry you faster! And, did the patriots decide to click on the smartphone’s camera ???
      1. Orange Bigg
        Orange Bigg 22 December 2022 20: 50
        +16
        You can, for example, on the Lancet-3 camera.
        1. Yves762
          Yves762 22 December 2022 21: 04
          +14
          Quote from Orange Bigg
          You can, for example, on the Lancet-3 camera.

          And a lot of photos from NASAMS Lancets, or IRIS-T of the same ones?
          So the "pociriots" will not be put close either ... crying
          1. topol717
            topol717 22 December 2022 22: 06
            +12
            Quote: Yves762
            And a lot of photos from NASAMS Lancets, or IRIS-T of the same ones?

            This formidable technique protects Lvov and Kyiv. Lancets do not reach there yet.
        2. Stas157
          Stas157 22 December 2022 21: 15
          +15
          The Nutcracker has everything in openwork!
          Hymars has already clicked. Now the Patriots are next!
        3. Warrior MorePhoto
          Warrior MorePhoto 22 December 2022 22: 26
          +7
          At least one Hymars clicked?
          Get down on the ground and look at the real state of affairs.
          We are moving hard and at the same time we are winning in armament ... while we are winning
      2. zloybond
        zloybond 22 December 2022 22: 09
        +38
        I won't take it. when there was an effective regrouping and gestures of goodwill, everyone was informed that our troops had withdrawn to more advantageous positions. After that, they again achieve and go to more advantageous positions with fights. Then it turns out more profitable in that case they left it, and now they return it with battles. Well, this is logical .... Some crap back and forth.
        1. My address
          My address 22 December 2022 22: 16
          +21
          We don't understand. How not to understand why we supplied / supply resources to the West and a significant part of the proceeds from this was / are kept in the West. These are cunning multi-moves of those who did not lead / did not command a production brigade / army platoon. I am silent about the quality of leadership / command.
          1. Yaroslav Tekkel
            Yaroslav Tekkel 23 December 2022 21: 40
            +1
            I will hardly reveal a secret to you if I say that the USSR also supplied resources to the West at the height of the Cold War. The currency was needed.

            The modernization of the Russian military-industrial complex was done through the purchase of Western (including Japan, Korea and Taiwan) equipment and technologies. Fortunately, until 2014 there was a window of opportunity, when almost everything was sold, and then there were ways. On the Soviet and Czechoslovak machines of 40 years ago, we would not have done much.
        2. AdAstra
          AdAstra 22 December 2022 22: 52
          +6
          This is for you, I suck, and for him the height of logic and genius.
          1. ch28k38
            ch28k38 23 December 2022 10: 38
            -5
            For people without an appropriate military education, moreover, who know the specific situation from the media, it is practically useless to explain the tactical and strategic actions of the army. So armies of couch strategists - further creative success.
            1. super-vitek
              super-vitek 23 December 2022 12: 55
              +6
              And if you try to explain to those who took part in the operation? There, it looks different. You get to the Internet and that's it. You understand that our people do not even know a fraction of the truth about what is happening at the front ... We are all clicking, all enemy aircraft have been killed .... Well, yes. That's right, on TV. But it's really hard .... Our connection is shit !!! There is not enough transport. We are riding on the nine !!! So when I hear VG, clicks, patriots ... It becomes sad ... Walkie-talkies would be normal for us. And I would like to see aviation more often ....
              1. Yaroslav Tekkel
                Yaroslav Tekkel 23 December 2022 21: 47
                +1
                By the way, about nine. Same problem on the other side. First of all, after the Maviks, the Armed Forces of Ukraine ask their volunteers for civilian off-road vehicles, even if they are SUVs. Moreover, this is a consumable: if it does not fall under fire, it will still quickly die from ultra-severe operation. Therefore, they buy used ones in Europe and, they say, the entire available fleet has already been swept away, now they are looking at the Chinese. I personally saw our video, I don’t remember, from a UAV or a turntable, how they destroyed a formidable Ukrainian military vehicle: an ancient Renault Espace minibus.
            2. AdAstra
              AdAstra 23 December 2022 13: 04
              +1
              So VG has no military education and he himself knows the situation from the media hi
        3. Vladimir Pavlov_2
          Vladimir Pavlov_2 22 December 2022 23: 24
          -2
          I must say - "back and forth" looks like onanism (God forgive me) .. or something else more shameful action ..
          1. A080083
            A080083 23 December 2022 16: 06
            -2
            Feel free to call these actions frictions of a masochist into an unplanned fence. It hurts there with splinters, back with relief
        4. meandr51
          meandr51 23 December 2022 01: 42
          +5
          Even Clausewitz noted: "Military business is simple and accessible to everyone. But it is difficult to fight."
        5. AndrewPlaxin
          AndrewPlaxin 23 December 2022 09: 21
          0
          They decided it wasn't fair. Returned to the outcome and now to be honest)
        6. Lis_Domino
          Lis_Domino 23 December 2022 11: 39
          +3
          there is a suitable word for this in Russian - "zavralsya"
        7. SergeyB
          SergeyB 24 December 2022 05: 19
          -2
          Quote: zloybond
          I won't take it. when there was an effective regrouping and gestures of goodwill, everyone was informed that our troops had withdrawn to more advantageous positions. After that, they again achieve and go to more advantageous positions with fights. Then it turns out more profitable in that case they left it, and now they return it with battles. Well, this is logical .... Some crap back and forth.


          It must be remembered that the situation is not static. She is changing.
          One and the same section of the front, depending on the change in the general configuration of the line of contact, changes in the ratio of the number of troops / weapons, and many other factors, can acquire increased value. Or maybe even lose value.
          Therefore, it is quite possible that it is more profitable to leave some section now. In a month, the general situation will change and it will be more profitable to occupy this site.
    2. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 22 December 2022 20: 57
      +43
      That's it, the wording of the NWO is canceled?" Our goal is not to spin the flywheel of the conflict, but rather to end this WAR. We are striving for this and will continue to strive. "Putin V.V.
      1. isv000
        isv000 22 December 2022 21: 19
        +1
        Quote: tralflot1832
        That's it, the wording of the NWO is canceled?" Our goal is not to spin the flywheel of the conflict, but rather to end this WAR. We are striving for this and will continue to strive. "Putin V.V.

        It is high time. It’s just that winter is very short, you have to have time to give before spring about ... to feel what war is, otherwise, as soon as it gets warmer again, they will howl and fight war ...
      2. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 22 December 2022 21: 57
        +32
        Strange logic. Does the intensification lead to an increase in the number of victims? Maybe. It is obvious that the slowdown leads to a decrease in the number of victims both for us and for the enemy. But the most unacceptable thing for me in this logic is that it turns out that the price of the life of the civilian people of Donetsk, who are now our Russians, is less than the price of the life of our military. Because conducting operations at such a pace as it is now leads to a multiple increase in the number of civilian casualties - after all, before the start of the NMD, shelling of Donetsk was carried out many times weaker than now. It is not clear who is intended for the statement that as a result of the SVO, the technical capabilities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine have decreased - they have not changed, but have been replaced by NATO weapons, often more advanced than those previously possessed by Ukraine. The issue of training with NATO weapons is resolved by training in NATO countries. Repair of damaged equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has been established in Poland. So what does he hope for? While the chicken is pecking, someone will enter the chicken coop.
        1. topol717
          topol717 22 December 2022 22: 09
          +4
          Quote: mikh-korsakov
          It is not clear who is intended for the statement that, as a result of the SVO, the technical capabilities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine have decreased - they have not changed, but have been replaced by NATO weapons, often more advanced than those previously possessed by Ukraine

          They would have already begun to possess new weapons. No one wanted war, it was inevitable. All 7 years after 2014, Ukraine has been methodically building up its military potential. and would continue to grow. And maybe in the summer of 22 or 23 the assault on Donetsk would have begun. Or have you already forgotten what it was all about?
          1. Dkuznecov
            Dkuznecov 23 December 2022 00: 07
            +1
            I heard it.
            And until 2014, Ukraine was behind the curtain?
            For more than 20 years it was possible to raise an ally
            on insane profits from oil and gas, and not to fill money.
            (a dozen per barrel of oil under the USSR
            considered a good price all over the world,
            not just ours)
            It's just that someone decided that they themselves would trample on.
            Here they are overwhelmed.
            I think just on the rulers of other countries of our axis
            there was compromising evidence, and they were "tame".
            Georgia was the first to buck.
            And then when the compromised ones left
            party bosses - away we go.
            Remained just one of the old guard - Lukashenka.
            As always, by tradition - purely my opinion.
            1. S. Nikolaev
              S. Nikolaev 23 December 2022 04: 00
              +7
              For more than 20 years it was possible to raise an ally
              on crazy profits from oil and gas

              There will always be someone who pays more. And then, didn’t they subsidize the independent, as, indeed, all the rest of the CIS, with a tariff policy for energy carriers and not only. As you can see it didn't help.
              1. mikh-korsakov
                mikh-korsakov 23 December 2022 10: 26
                +2
                Putin repeatedly says that the West deceived Russia by signing the Minsk agreements. Who said that there is no alternative to the Minsk agreements? I have a question, but Putin himself, he is like a college girl who was seduced by a passing lieutenant. And Russia seduced and abandoned. ri the fact that there are relevant bodies and institutes for the study ... in which employees sit with good salaries.
                1. S. Nikolaev
                  S. Nikolaev 23 December 2022 12: 11
                  +3
                  Putin repeatedly says that the West deceived Russia by signing the Minsk agreements


                  If Putin says otherwise, then he too will have to say that the agreements were designed to delay time until Russia could resolve the issue by force. After all, it must be admitted that in 14 neither our military-industrial complex nor the economy, which at that time would certainly have withstood the sanctions of the consolidated West, were yet ready for such a denouement. The blow was dealt when the Russian Federation was more or less ready for it, and even then, only after repeated warnings and calls for negotiations. In response, they just sent.
                  Merkel's words should not be taken for granted, she is only partly right, because Germany (like old Europe) had its own interest in resolving the looming conflict, different from the interests of the United States and Britain. It is now that they have been shown their place and, at the same time, whose interests they must defend, moreover, at any cost. And then they (Germany) still believed that they could play their game.
                  Well, be that as it may, what the grandmother blurted out, and she did it, of course, not on her own initiative, will now fall as another dark spot on their European policy. Let them explain themselves. Even though they don't need it anymore. They already have a lot of things soon will be unnecessarily.
                  1. topol717
                    topol717 23 December 2022 21: 08
                    +3
                    Quote: S. Nikolaev
                    Indeed, it must be admitted that in 14, neither our military-industrial complex, nor the economy, which at that time would certainly have withstood the sanctions of the consolidated West, were not yet ready for such a denouement

                    When you drink, then eat. Or do you recall what sanctions were introduced after 14 years? Or to remind you how they drove the Ukrainians and thought where to stop on the border of the Donetsk region or on the Dnieper or near Poland???? And it was not the Russian Army, but the DPR, albeit reinforced by volunteers. And here you write some kind of nonsense about the weakness of the country in 14. sanctions are not imposed on weak countries.
                    1. S. Nikolaev
                      S. Nikolaev 24 December 2022 04: 45
                      +1
                      Or remind you

                      Remind me. About all 12000, or how many were there? And about China, India, Iran ... Turkey, finally, and in general, about the whole East, with which we had to build relations in a new way during this time. Those relationships that you can now rely on. Remind me about Belarus, in which everything was just started and nothing has yet been decided. At the same time, tell me how many at least there were thermal imagers in combat tanks, I’m not talking about Caliber, they took off only in the 15th. Remind me about agriculture that it reached at least the minimum standards only by the year 18, probably. And about much more. Remind
                      From 1933, when Hitler came to power to 1941, about the same time passed as from 14 to 22. Yes, Zelya is far from Hitler, and today's NATO is no match for that well-coordinated Wehrmacht machine, but today's Russia is not the powerful USSR that managed to complete two five-year plans in that period. But, nevertheless, this time was necessary in order to somehow prepare.
                      thought where to stay on the border of the Donetsk region or on the Dnieper or near Poland?

                      With a bare ass (in every sense) you could run to Lemberg. What's next?
                2. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 23 December 2022 21: 01
                  +1
                  "institutions of study ... in which employees sit"
                  ----
                  Nobody listens to them.
                  Who listens: on the one hand, a couple of ideologues of geopolitics and Eurasianism, plus a couple of radicals from the FSB/intelligence.
                  The first ones flew by, all their forecasts burst ...
                  On the other hand, the military
                  The military just said: offensives in the coming months are impossible, there are no funds and forces.
                  Hence: "there will be no escalation."
          2. Lis_Domino
            Lis_Domino 23 December 2022 11: 42
            -4
            Are you surprised that a country in which one region "left" and in the second "dream to leave" is building up its military component?
          3. nikniknik
            nikniknik 23 December 2022 12: 29
            0
            enough already about these 7 and 8 years, now it's 9. Tired, especially from our politicians. They just cry, that's 7-8 years, such and such. Your division, in 2014, the same regions asked for Russia, it would most likely be according to the Crimean version. We sat and watched how fortified areas were being built, how all kinds of weapons were brought to our borders, and so on. Che? we didn’t know chtol: Our intelligence didn’t know, the FSB didn’t know, etc. Everyone knew. And now people are dying, both peaceful and military. In addition, a quick end to the war is not beneficial to some, otherwise they would not have left either from near Kyiv or from the Chernihiv region, then they would not have surrendered further territory. Did you want to show power like a hat-throwing? Well done to our fighters, honor and praise to each of them, so long as they do not die. But the longer all this drags on, the more victims there will be. The Armed Forces of Ukraine are already hammering not only "new" territories, but also our "old" ones. And we, like bang, and in response to them, died out, so the APU bang and to us in response to the Bryansk, Belgorod, Kursk, Voronezh regions and have already reached Saratosk and Ryazan. Politics is theater for the common people. They knew back in September - November 2021 that there would be a SVO, but it was at this time that Naebullina and Silik took out the currency, gold, and the NWF in huge quantities and sizes. They kind of got frozen there. And so they will disappear like the gold of the revolutionary party, "but will end up in the pockets ...
          4. Yaroslav Tekkel
            Yaroslav Tekkel 23 December 2022 22: 00
            -1
            What new weapons would they begin to possess? Let me remind you that for 8 years Ukraine has not received any heavy weapons from NATO. And not only did they not give it, but they did not sell it for money either. We supplied several dozen ambulance Hummvies, several light counter-battery radars, 60-mm mortars, 50 Javelins (with the condition not to be used in the Donbass) and that’s it. Only our friend Rejep went against all of NATO and sold Bayraktars, I don’t remember, a dozen or two.

            It is now our mantra that Ukraine "was pumped up with NATO weapons for 8 years." And on the footage of February 2022, all Soviet junk with rare interspersed with all sorts of homemade Kozaks and BTR-4.
            1. topol717
              topol717 23 December 2022 22: 20
              +1
              Quote: Yaroslav Tekkel
              We supplied several dozen ambulance Hummvies, several light counter-battery radars, 60-mm mortars, 50 Javelins (with the condition not to be used in the Donbass) and that’s it. Only our friend Rejep went against all of NATO and sold Bayraktars, I don’t remember, a dozen or two.

              Do you understand the difference between free help and a purchase?
              You listed what Ukraine received for free.
              Now tell me what they bought. and how many Natsiks have been prepared during this time.
              1. Yaroslav Tekkel
                Yaroslav Tekkel 24 December 2022 18: 21
                0
                You directly write "Natsik" with a capital letter with such respect ...

                As for what they bought - I specifically wrote that it was also impossible to buy. There was an embargo on the supply of heavy weapons. We bought 50 decommissioned and demilitarized British police armored cars at the very beginning, some different rifles and 18 Bayraktars at the end (because our friend Rejep is such a friend). We also bought 50 used French civilian helicopters for the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Ministry of Emergency Situations. There were some boats, I won’t say this now, in view of the virtual absence of a fleet in Ukraine, it makes no sense to count them.
        2. Stas157
          Stas157 22 December 2022 22: 16
          +10
          Quote: mikh-korsakov
          So what does he hope for?

          For negotiations.
          1. sadam2
            sadam2 23 December 2022 01: 12
            -7
            Can it confuse the tracks again? )))
            Why did he send a reindeer breeder 2 times a week. Why did he go to the headquarters himself? ..
            1. Yellow bubble
              Yellow bubble 24 December 2022 02: 25
              0
              He is not a reindeer breeder, his mother is a zoologist, a teacher, but he himself is a builder and deputy secretary of the Communist Party, a commie, etc., in general, an oligarch from the USSR.
        3. alexoff
          alexoff 22 December 2022 22: 18
          +1
          The most ridiculous thing about Donetsk is that there are no regular Russian units there, as there were LDNR soldiers, they are standing there, well, maybe the volunteers will come or let them shoot from the TOS for a couple of days. Who is there and how it protects is not clear, the shelling warning system was not made and did not even try
          1. Vladimir Pavlov_2
            Vladimir Pavlov_2 22 December 2022 23: 26
            -19
            I am beginning you, personally responsible for the warning system for missile, nuclear and other strikes, proceed!
            1. alexoff
              alexoff 22 December 2022 23: 45
              -6
              Of course, exclusively on their own?
          2. Arkadich
            Arkadich 23 December 2022 05: 56
            +3
            There is no need for a shadow on the mold, the RF Armed Forces are also in Donetsk, but mainly the NM LDNR, so they have not yet become part of the RF Armed Forces. Pushilin said that only from January 1, they will be reformatted.
            1. alexoff
              alexoff 23 December 2022 22: 12
              0
              So the fact that Donetsk has to save itself is the main game of the situation. According to normal, some Russian artillery division should ride behind the defensive structures of Donetsk and furiously throw over the fortifications and other caches of the enemy. NM LDNR is armed worse than necessary, although it is better prepared. And the regular Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are fighting the campaign only somewhere near Energodar, then there is the NM LDNR, Wagner and those mobilized near Svatovo
              1. Arkadich
                Arkadich 24 December 2022 12: 41
                0
                Have you read carefully? NM DPR is subordinate to the government of the DPR! How can combat interaction be carried out if there is no single structure of subordination? In Chechnya, this has already been swallowed.
                1. alexoff
                  alexoff 24 December 2022 16: 04
                  0
                  The NM of the DPR is controlled by the same General Staff of the Russian Federation, our generals were constantly sent there to steer
                  1. Arkadich
                    Arkadich 24 December 2022 16: 19
                    0
                    Units on the ground are not directly subordinate to the General Staff; accordingly, a very long chain of coordination of actions grows, which is unacceptable, especially in war. Our generals do not lead there, but interact as well as instructors.
                    1. alexoff
                      alexoff 24 December 2022 17: 25
                      0
                      Well, this is the situation with all other Russian units that interact with each other either personally through agreed officers, or through a degenerate chain through superiors
                      1. Arkadich
                        Arkadich 24 December 2022 18: 08
                        0
                        I see you have deep structural knowledge of the organization and operation of units of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, a direct person who graduated from the academy under the General Staff, therefore I stop this "empty" dialogue.
                      2. alexoff
                        alexoff 25 December 2022 02: 42
                        0
                        You obviously have the deepest ones, sorry you can’t tell
          3. topol717
            topol717 23 December 2022 22: 26
            0
            A cannon projectile flies at a speed of 700 M/s. He will overcome 40 km in 60 seconds. Well, this is if you detect a shot and be sure that it is flying towards you. and if it’s true, then you have to wait for the top point, and this is about half the time, even a little more, i.e. where do you have 20 seconds for everything about everything, and where will you have time to escape in 20 seconds? with MLRS, of course, more time, but not much. Well, so we will announce the alarm for each fart?
            1. alexoff
              alexoff 23 December 2022 23: 26
              0
              If for each fart a lancet flies to the desired point and the siren starts howling sharply, then the farts will quickly become orders of magnitude smaller, and the dead too. In some countries, they say they can even predict which area they are flying to and signal to everyone on their mobile phones there so that they can bounce off the windows or lie on the ground. And if you do nothing, it will be as it is.
              1. topol717
                topol717 24 December 2022 00: 09
                0
                Quote from alexoff
                If for each bunch a lancet will fly to the desired point

                And now it's flying. for the counter-battery battle is underway. But it was smooth on paper, but ... ravines. There are also no fools, they gave a couple of bullets and let's go tick
                1. alexoff
                  alexoff 24 December 2022 02: 41
                  -2
                  For some reason, the whole counter-battery fight on roller skates is shown to us anywhere, but not near Donetsk.
              2. topol717
                topol717 24 December 2022 00: 11
                +2
                Quote from alexoff
                In some countries, they say they can even predict which area they are flying to and signal to everyone on mobile phones

                And in these countries, 80 missiles out of 30 launched are shot down. These countries are very smart, straight geniuses, they know in which area a cruise missile is flying.
                1. alexoff
                  alexoff 24 December 2022 02: 43
                  0
                  In Israel, people are really quite smart, but cruise missiles have not yet been launched before them, only some kind of crooked and oblique missiles. Afraid to really get
        4. Ivan Ivanov
          Ivan Ivanov 22 December 2022 23: 10
          +4
          at such a pace as now leads to a multiple increase in the number of victims of civilians
          She will most likely increase the casualties of the military if she fights for years.
        5. bayard
          bayard 22 December 2022 23: 44
          +16
          Quote: mikh-korsakov
          So what does he hope for? While the chicken is pecking, someone will enter the chicken coop.

          If the goal of a military conflict is not Victory, but the process itself, it cannot be otherwise. If "everything goes according to plan", then this means that this is the Plan ... "Peck on the grain", drag out the conflict, give victory to the weakest enemy, give in and retreat ... what It turns out that the Plan is precisely in this?
          It turns out .
          On practice .
          And indecisiveness in the voice (not in the text) ... and oddities in combat planning ... again about the intention to break through the echeloned defense with the forehead ... And the immunity of the main culprits of our "victories".
          Quote: mikh-korsakov
          It is not clear who is intended for the statement that, as a result of the SVO, the technical capabilities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine have decreased - they have not changed

          He is even in the order of the numbers of their losses ... as if softer ... confused. As an actor who has learned the role poorly or a student who does not know the lesson and chooses words crookedly.
          Quote: mikh-korsakov
          It turns out that the price of the lives of civilians in Donetsk, who are now our Russians, is less than the price of the lives of our military.

          So it was all 8 previous years ... The Kremlin was simply "not interested."
          One thing is clear - he does not strive for victory.
          And he has no vision of the future. . . Only maintenance of business projects.
          1. Anatoly Proskurin
            Anatoly Proskurin 23 December 2022 07: 46
            0
            No, it's just that LIFE, SUDDENLY, did not behave in line with the edited reports and reports from "reliable and devoted." Stalin's headquarters and the General Staff, during the Second World War, when calculating, the information about the losses of the Fritz from our reports, reduced by 2 times ... The whole war.
        6. Eroma
          Eroma 23 December 2022 00: 02
          +7
          From denazification and demilitarization, we move on to plan "B": coercion to negotiate, without intecification ..... wassat In short, the calculation is that in the end they will get bored there and they will agree on something anyway feel
    3. yuriy55
      yuriy55 22 December 2022 21: 00
      +25
      Quote from Orange Bigg
      The quieter you go, the further you'll get...

      ...From where you're going...
      The conversation should not be about haste, but about the effectiveness of responses (strikes on Ukrainian territory).
      What did he say at the meeting?! The Russian army has everything it needs ... And if there is what it needs, then it’s not a damn thing to stroke this Nazi brat on the head ...
    4. isv000
      isv000 22 December 2022 21: 11
      +7
      Quote from Orange Bigg
      The quieter you go, the further you'll get.

      From where you're going...
    5. Arbeiternegast
      Arbeiternegast 22 December 2022 21: 11
      +19
      And the cancellation of hostilities will eliminate losses altogether! If, according to the logic of the guarantor ...
      1. zenion
        zenion 23 December 2022 19: 37
        0
        Arbeiternegast. It is necessary to help foreign capitalists develop the economy, so that they don’t have something bad, if there is something bad there, they will have to close Russian feudal feudalism. For whom is it necessary, if everything goes like a katana to the very real tsarism. Brains on the shelf crown on the head.
    6. Stas157
      Stas157 22 December 2022 21: 30
      +21
      . and added that you can ban something as much as you like, drag out the situation, but in love case the conflict will end with negotiations.

      Not. Well, what a good guy. Threatening negotiations!
      How to fight!
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        1. Stas157
          Stas157 22 December 2022 22: 27
          +14
          Quote: Mitroha
          You carry garbage. As always, though.

          Don't lose your hat. There will be nothing to throw!
          1. mitroha
            mitroha 23 December 2022 06: 13
            -5
            Quote: Stas157
            Quote: Mitroha
            You carry garbage. As always, though.

            Don't lose your hat. There will be nothing to throw!

            That is, in fact, there is nothing to say, this is normal for you. Balabol, in other words. Fighter for the process
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 23 December 2022 07: 48
              +4
              Quote: Mitroha
              That is, in fact, there is nothing to say

              Already wrote about it before your spiteful comment. In the same article on the branch below.

              Those who, foaming at the mouth, are trying to present us with their flawed series: negotiations, they say, is equal to capitulation, they forget about one small circumstance.

              Before surrender, there must be victory at the front. But those who seek negotiations until a decisive victory will never find it.
        2. Anatoly Proskurin
          Anatoly Proskurin 23 December 2022 07: 55
          +3
          Eco's hat-throwing propaganda has had an effect on you. Take off your rose-colored glasses - we are offered negotiations with the very Nazis. After our defeats.
          1. mitroha
            mitroha 23 December 2022 10: 47
            -4
            Quote: Anatoly Proskurin
            Eco's hat-throwing propaganda has had an effect on you. Take off your rose-colored glasses - we are offered negotiations with the very Nazis. After our defeats.

            Reading is good, but understanding what you read is even better.
            Where did I write that it is necessary to negotiate with the Nazis? Did you come up with it yourself?
            I just pointed out that surrender is the essence of the contract, which is signed by at least TWO parties. This means that in order for one side to sign a surrender agreement, it is necessary to conduct a negotiation process with it. This works for everyone, regardless of the Russian Federation and Ukraine.
            And victory in the war is not necessary for signing the act of surrender, the very surrender of the opposing side will mean victory in the war. Anderstand?
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 23 December 2022 13: 11
              0
              Quote: Mitroha
              Where did I write that it is necessary to negotiate with the Nazis?

              So you wrote it! Why are you forcing negotiations on us? Kherson that returned already? What about Izum?

              You want negotiations so badly that you can't eat? Well, go to your Nazis and negotiate. Offer them surrender! And we'll see what you get. Just look, no one will exchange you later. What for you are needed here so gifted!

              Quote: Mitroha
              И victory in the war is optional to sign the act of surrender

              Yeah. The Nazis will immediately capitulate as soon as they see you! Forward.

              Show us a master class from Mitrokha: capitulation without victory is easy!
              1. mitroha
                mitroha 23 December 2022 13: 40
                -3
                Quote: Stas157
                Why are you forcing negotiations on us?

                You die your sick fantasy. I do not impose anything on anyone.
                Quote: Stas157
                Show us a master class from Mitrokha: capitulation without victory is easy!

                If you are so stupid that you cannot (do not want to) understand obvious things, this is your personal pain and problem.
                So you wrote it!

                Show me where?
            2. Anatoly Proskurin
              Anatoly Proskurin 23 December 2022 20: 50
              +1
              yez ah du, ayem andestendin zeeah ... But that's the trouble, dear, in politics you can forgive everything, EXCEPT WEAKNESS! The position of seeking negotiations is a losing position! Woe to the vanquished, remember Tacitus ... And Lenin: the one who is ready to sacrifice everything wins the battle. Listen to Mikheev.
              1. mitroha
                mitroha 23 December 2022 21: 43
                -1
                Quote: Anatoly Proskurin
                But that's the trouble, dear, in politics you can forgive everything, EXCEPT WEAKNESS!

                Partially agree. The problem is that you can consider as a weakness what will be only a movement. Expressing our opinions and thoughts is normal, evaluating actions, 99% of which we cannot evaluate due to a lack of understanding of undercover processes, is stupid.
                Quote: Anatoly Proskurin
                Listen to Mikheev.

                Thank you, I'm somehow used to evaluating with my own mind
    7. iouris
      iouris 22 December 2022 23: 42
      +1
      Quote from Orange Bigg
      The quieter you go, the further you'll get.

      From where you need to go.
      A new front may open. Warnings have been sent out in Latvia: do not go to the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus for the holidays (on the 24th - Christmas).
    8. ISKANDER_61
      ISKANDER_61 23 December 2022 01: 21
      +2
      Already arrived a long time ago back in March, or you live on another planet. And then there is nowhere to go with this lame duck.
    9. YOUR
      YOUR 23 December 2022 03: 36
      -1
      The full saying sounds like this - you will go further quieter, from the place where you are going.
    10. Igor Nalivaiko
      Igor Nalivaiko 23 December 2022 14: 17
      +1
      Tell the people of the DPR! Why did you have to start?
    11. Oden280
      Oden280 23 December 2022 17: 32
      0
      Every day that the war drags on, there are casualties not only among the military, but also among civilians. These are the losses of the economy and the loss of confidence in the leadership of the state, as it is unable to cope with its duties.
      1. YOUR
        YOUR 24 December 2022 15: 01
        0
        Daily shelling not only of the DPR / LPR, but also of the Kursk and Belgorod regions.
  2. break_beats
    break_beats 22 December 2022 20: 38
    -51
    3 fundamental reasons due to which the rapid implementation of the stated goals of the NWO is impossible.

    1) Russians and Ukrainians are one people

    2) The main and main goal of the Special Military Operation is the unification of 2 parts of one people.

    3) The “Special operation” mode, and not “War”, proceeds from the first two points and no other status will be assigned to this process

    Bravo to our President for a clear mind good
    1. Zakirov Damir
      Zakirov Damir 22 December 2022 20: 51
      -2
      Quote from breakin_beats
      1) Russians and Ukrainians are one people

      I would send people like you to Wagner PMC. They would preach there!

      Quote from breakin_beats
      2) The main and main goal of the Special Military Operation is the unification of 2 parts of one people.

      The main part of the NWO is the annexation of territories under the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation, which automatically means denazification and demilitarization. But the opposite is not so obvious.

      Quote from breakin_beats
      3) The “Special operation” mode, and not “War”, proceeds from the first two points and no other status will be assigned to this process

      I agree on this point!

      Quote from breakin_beats
      Bravo to our President for a clear mind

      For 22 years, it was possible to teach a bear to govern the country.
      1. skeptick2
        skeptick2 23 December 2022 00: 13
        +10
        Quote: Damir Zakirov
        The main part of the NWO is the annexation of territories under the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation, which automatically means denazification and demilitarization.

        I apologize, I did not bother to listen to this speech of the guarantor, there was no time. Did the terms "denazification" and "demilitarization" even sound in it?
        Or has the guarantor already safely forgotten about this? What did he say on February 24th?
        1. Zakirov Damir
          Zakirov Damir 23 December 2022 01: 34
          +2
          Quote from: skeptick2
          I apologize, I did not bother to listen to this speech of the guarantor, there was no time. Did the terms "denazification" and "demilitarization" even sound in it?

          Putin is not our level!
          Can say a lot, but nothing. The specificity of the former work affects - "my language is my enemy."

          Here you can’t do without Peskov. It pours easily, naturally, like sand through fingers.

          In general, that other couple is "silent" and "talker". You listen to both and understand that you were politely sent to a well-known postal address.
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    2. _SAVO_
      _SAVO_ 22 December 2022 20: 54
      -2
      I hope it’s sarcasm ... The implementation of the stated goals is generally impossible, perhaps, only except for the LDNR ... And about the unification and one people ... Just now Simonyan, the wretched mouthpiece of the Kremlin, was applauded at the award for merit,
    3. novel66
      novel66 22 December 2022 21: 00
      +4
      Well, Biden is still far away ..
      Ttttttt
    4. Stas157
      Stas157 22 December 2022 21: 25
      +35
      Quote from breakin_beats
      Bravo to our President clear mind

      I don't understand one thing. Why did this clear mind start the operation if he wants to end it so ingloriously?
      1. certero
        certero 23 December 2022 11: 06
        0
        Quote: Stas157
        I don't understand one thing. Why did this clear mind start the operation if he wants to end it so ingloriously?

        Unfortunately, it's been clear for a long time. Like many rulers, they wanted a "small victorious war" to strengthen their power.
        Podteval nearby talked about how "we are easy and fast"
        Now none of them know how to get out of this shit. Only one garbage for them is shit and for the people - it's blood.
        In any case, it is necessary to end the hostilities
      2. nikniknik
        nikniknik 23 December 2022 12: 59
        0
        why do they need "ingloriousness"? they don’t give a damn, the people can grumble, then it will die out, but the “close ones” will grab the dough, fuel is oil, and who is the main oil?)) Right now we are restoring houses, it seems we are building, but it will be so, they didn’t have time to finish building it, like it was destroyed by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, yet we need money, build the industry, housing and communal services will not become poorer, we will issue benefits, pensions, but will we legally issue them? We will give certificates and apartments on the territory of Russia, we will rip money from the people. That's how it works. The budget is trillion-dollar surpluses, and most of the people are on the verge of poverty. from December 1, utility bills were increased to 9%, and pensioners will be indexed by 4,8 from January, the minimum wage will also be increased from January. They say the budget is socially oriented, but they sign the Decree on freezing the "reducing factor" of pensions of law enforcement agencies. Well, it’s worth learning to filter the tales of the Vienna Woods)))))
    5. nikniknik
      nikniknik 23 December 2022 12: 46
      0
      what are you talking about do you understand? Yes, we are one Slavic people. Ours are not at war with the Ukrainian people, but at war with the Nazis. The merger was possible as soon as possible in 2014. Even at the beginning of the NWO, in the first 2 or 3 months, most of the people of Ukraine were "for" the unification of peoples. And as our politicians began to "pull the cat by the balls", so the Ukrainian people, even the one that, let's say, were pro-Russian, now they hate us wildly. The longer the conflict drags on, the more hatred towards us sits in the brains of the Ukrainian people. We say that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are hammering at our infrastructures of vital importance, but we don’t do this, disabling the electric water supply instead of hammering at the weapons supply routes to the front line through the entire territory of Ukraine? Let's bang on electric water stations and sit and wait: Guys, let's bring more weapons to the front line. We will wait, and then we will continue to play war
    6. Yaroslav Tekkel
      Yaroslav Tekkel 23 December 2022 22: 09
      0
      The main and main goal of the Special Military Operation is the unification of 2 parts of one people.

      The bloodiest war in the history of the United States (in terms of losses equal to all their other wars combined) was for the unification of 2 parts of one people. Something I'm pointing...
  3. Stoler
    Stoler 22 December 2022 20: 40
    +20
    Such! We started and run with requests to start negotiations !! Feel the power!! good
  4. Thrifty
    Thrifty 22 December 2022 20: 41
    +40
    I don’t like these ever-sounding words about negotiations, this is not good! And at such a pace the chicken will peck, the fox will easily gobble it up! where is our "modern, unparalleled weapon in the world, if everything is very nasty with us even with communications?
    1. Yaroslav Tekkel
      Yaroslav Tekkel 23 December 2022 22: 11
      +1
      So the war was started in the expectation that the Armed Forces of Ukraine would crumble in a week, as in 2014. Who knew that for these 8 years they had not been engaged in biathlons and the construction of Warhammer temples.
  5. bath
    bath 22 December 2022 20: 42
    +8
    "The hen is pecking at the grain"


    I hear and understand that Russia will enter the marathon skirmish.


    We will not see the spectacle of tanks rushing along the frozen river, and we do not expect "Offensive in winter", "Battle on the arc".
    1. Pharmacist
      Pharmacist 22 December 2022 20: 49
      +14
      Namely, the conflict passes into a chronic phase, rather even into "sluggish schizophrenia." request
    2. Earthwalker
      Earthwalker 22 December 2022 20: 55
      -14
      Well, maybe we’ll click the patriots, as the supreme said, who cost more than 1 billion
    3. lopvlad
      lopvlad 22 December 2022 21: 20
      -4
      Quote from: wanna
      We won't see the spectacle of tanks rushing down a frozen river.


      most importantly, we will see mountains of corpses of the Bnaderites and the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and we will take care of our soldiers. Russia has begun to act wisely. Therefore, we will grind the AFU slowly and confidently while simultaneously destroying the infrastructure of Ukraine (the destruction of the energy infrastructure is only the beginning).
      By the way, for example, I cannot understand our nobility when VFU literally hunt not only our medical military vehicles and military hospitals, but also destroy civilian hospitals in which there are no soldiers and never have been.
      We calmly allow military hospitals of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to exist near the battlefield.
      1. 1razvgod
        1razvgod 22 December 2022 22: 21
        +3
        This is if the enemy sits and waits by the sea for the weather, they will still be thrown MLRS (more long-range and generally far beyond the line of battle, troops and the population will begin to die), artillery, not far off and tanks, and he will not let himself be broken just like that, if not us then they will begin to advance, any static line of defense (this is what some people hope that from such lines we will click the lesson like in a dash) is hacked, and the urks directly say the exit to the borders of 91g. At the expense of hospitals, I understand both in my heart and myself sometimes I talk about the answer, but we are not Nazis, especially since there are enough goals where to apply the answer
        1. lopvlad
          lopvlad 22 December 2022 22: 54
          -9
          Quote from: 1razvgod
          any static line of defense (this is what some people hope that from such lines we will click the lesson like in a dash) is hacked


          What are you talking about in history, there are many examples of "static" fortresses and fortifications that the enemy could not take for hundreds of years.

          Quote from: 1razvgod
          they will still be thrown MLRS (more long-range and, in general, far beyond the line of battle, troops and the population will begin to die), artillery, not far off and tanks, and he will not let himself be broken just like that


          neither MLRS nor tanks will help them. Russia has a "long arm" which, thousands of kilometers from the moment the SVO began, allows them to be effectively destroyed.
          A static line of defense does not mean at all that the one who sits on this line does not begin to destroy the enemy advancing on him even at distant approaches.
          Thanks to the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in September, the Russian troops managed to grind tens of thousands of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in such a short time and with small losses. And if they were on the defensive, it would cost us much more losses and time to pick them out from these lines.
          1. 1razvgod
            1razvgod 22 December 2022 23: 20
            +4
            Give an example, if not difficult, of such fortresses that were stormed for centuries, started 200 years ago, every day they climb and climb onto the walls and did not take it? :)) MLRS did not help: the military correspondents are talking about something completely different. Donetsk is an example of how they iron it. No one knows about small losses, so when they say a lot of losses or a little, this is all speculation, there is no information from our side. Russia has a long arm: you didn’t notice how the hands of the lesson are lengthening to airfields in the depths of Russia, and after all, they are still learning and the devils from the west will train and equip them
            1. Egg
              Egg 23 December 2022 05: 32
              0
              Quote from: 1razvgod
              No one knows about small losses, so when they say a lot of losses or a little, it's all speculation, there is no information from our side

              If there had been heavy losses, there would have been a cry in the regions for a long time about the dead arriving there, remember the end of February.
              1. single-n
                single-n 23 December 2022 09: 16
                +1
                And how big is it? In the Russian Federation in 2019, about 300 thousand died of cancer .. Has anyone noticed this? For a country of 140 million, the death of even 1 million is less than a percent. Our population is shrinking by about 500 a year. Do you notice it?
                1. Egg
                  Egg 23 December 2022 12: 44
                  -1
                  Quote: Single-n
                  single-n
                  Today, 09: 16

                  -1
                  And how big is it? In the Russian Federation in 2019, about 300 thousand died of cancer .. Has anyone noticed this? For a country of 140 million, the death of even 1 million is less than a percent. Our population is shrinking by about 500 a year. Do you notice it?

                  You know, reading your comment, I begin to better understand the term "rotten intelligentsia" verbiage is your essence, right?
                  1. single-n
                    single-n 23 December 2022 12: 53
                    +1
                    Where are we up to the patriots (proletarians? Managers?). Here they speak clearly.
                    For example like this.
                    "The Nazis from the Azov extremist unit banned in the Russian Federation are war criminals, and they cannot be exchanged. This was stated by State Duma Vice Speaker Vyacheslav Volodin."
                    Or they will declare the goal of the NWO to be denazification, and everyone immediately understands what this means.
                    MOSCOW, 9 March. /TASS/. The special military operation of the Russian Federation does not aim to overthrow the current government of Ukraine or destroy its statehood, it is aimed at protecting the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics (DPR and LPR), demilitarizing and denazifying the country, as well as eliminating the military threat to Russia. This was stated on Wednesday at a briefing by the official representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry Maria Zakharova.
                    "The goals of the special military operation are the protection of the DPR and LPR, the demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine, the elimination of the military threat [against] Russia, which comes from Ukrainian territory due to its development by NATO countries in an appropriate way and pumping weapons. Its tasks include neither the occupation of Ukraine, nor the destruction of its statehood, nor the overthrow of the current government.. It is not directed against the civilian population," the diplomat stressed.
                    1. Egg
                      Egg 23 December 2022 13: 09
                      0
                      Here I am about the same thing, the ability to pour water and chat about any topic has always distinguished the "rotten intelligentsia" tongue
                      1. single-n
                        single-n 23 December 2022 14: 37
                        0
                        Well then. We will answer according to the IQ of the opponent: "be-be-be tongue "
            2. lopvlad
              lopvlad 23 December 2022 09: 31
              -1
              Quote from: 1razvgod
              military officers are talking about something completely different.


              a military commander is just a guy with a camera and not a brilliant strategist who sees the whole picture.

              Quote from: 1razvgod
              Donetsk is an example of how they iron it.


              this is just an example of those very capitally built static lines of defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbass, which we could not take in 10 months of fighting.

              Quote from: 1razvgod
              No one knows about small losses, so when they say a lot of losses or a little, this is all speculation, there is no information from our side.


              the information is very simple, you pick up a camera and make a trip to the cemeteries in your region. If the losses are like those of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, then you would be met by new huge cemeteries throughout Russia. And if there are no such new cemeteries, then the losses are small, unlike the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

              Quote from: 1razvgod
              Russia has a long arm: you didn’t notice how the hands of the lesson are lengthening to airfields in the depths of Russia, and after all, they are still learning and the devils from the west will train and equip them


              the only thing I noticed was that the drone was shot down by airfield air defense.
              1. 1razvgod
                1razvgod 23 December 2022 15: 00
                0
                1. You have not given the name of the fortresses that have been defending for centuries. Clearly, it was just blah blah blah
                2.and who is our brilliant strategist? The course of the SVO shows so many gaps from the conduct of hostilities, to the technical support, to the loss of huge money in the west, to theft in the Moscow Region, there is a long list of miscalculations and mistakes, moreover, the guarantor himself began to recognize something, and by the way, a commission composed of military correspondents approved by him. So is there a great strategist?
                3. Well, walking through cemeteries for filming doesn’t seem like sacrilege to you?!?? And how can I film a lesson in the country? Or do you offer a video to compare? Our losses are not voiced, this is all guesswork, and it is impossible to compare more or less than the lesson.
                4.Aircraft were damaged? They completed the minimum program. Well, I said they are still trying to train them and their arms are getting longer and more accurate
      2. Yaroslav Tekkel
        Yaroslav Tekkel 23 December 2022 22: 17
        +1
        We began to act wisely. True, it is not clear how we will slowly and confidently grind the VFU (by the way, what is it?), And we ourselves will not suffer losses if artillery plays the main role with a static front, and here the VFU and howitzers have long-range, and guided projectiles are better and more numerous, and NATO satellite reconnaissance, and KHIMARS, and a bunch of Soviet-caliber guns will return to business, because in Eastern Europe they are launching the production of ammunition for them. And VFU know how to use all this, in vain our geniuses counted them for 8 years.
  6. break_beats
    break_beats 22 December 2022 20: 43
    -41
    Quote: Thrifty
    I don’t like these ever-sounding words about negotiations, this is not good! And at such a pace the chicken will peck, the fox will easily gobble it up! where is our "modern, unparalleled weapon in the world, if everything is very nasty with us even with communications?


    Read carefully what the President said and learn how the Lord's Prayer.

    Like children by God, it's time to grow up.
    1. Akuzenka
      Akuzenka 22 December 2022 21: 06
      +27
      Read carefully what the President said and learn how the Lord's Prayer.

      Like children by God, it's time to grow up.
      Adult uncle, do not worry about us. We have learned about the retirement age, and we remember about the doubling of GDP (he definitely doubled it for himself, didn’t he triple it?), And we didn’t forget about import substitution either. Learned better than "Our Father". What's the point?! Promise - do not move bags! We have no problems with this, we turn around.
      1. Arbeiternegast
        Arbeiternegast 22 December 2022 21: 18
        +13
        Do not argue with this bot, he has stupid comments.
      2. Normal
        Normal 22 December 2022 22: 02
        -7
        Hello. Tell me, honestly, do you always get what you planned or planned, just be honest? How much in your life have you had to deal with the fact that something did not go quite the way you originally wanted? Also, in achieving your goals, how many people or situations got in the way? And if you honestly answered my own question (it is not necessary to voice it), then try to imagine now a country of 147 million, with 11 time zones and in which 190 nationalities live. Try to navigate through it all.
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 22 December 2022 22: 09
          +16
          Quote: Normal
          Tell me, hand on heart - you always succeed what you planned or planned, just be honest?

          I do not have. Only I do not cling to the chair with my teeth. And if something doesn’t work out, then I bear the full responsibility for it.
          a responsibility. And no one takes it off me.

          So there are two completely different cases, no matter how anyone would like to generalize them.
          1. Normal
            Normal 23 December 2022 00: 15
            0
            Are you sure that he clings to the chair, and is not forced to remain, since there is still a danger of a rollback? The second time the collective west does not flash through the flash. Their mistake was that Yeltsin brought him, and he was their man. Therefore, he continues to remain, and therefore they changed with Medvedev. Everything has its time, and we also have our time. Just look through, you can discover a lot for yourself.
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 23 December 2022 08: 20
              +5
              Quote: Normal
              forced to remain

              Like a galley slave? We heard, we know!

              But here everything is simple. If it doesn’t work out, then let him give in to someone who does it.
              1. Normal
                Normal 23 December 2022 10: 49
                0
                Doesn't work what? Are there heads of state who succeed? More recently, there have been mass protests and unrest in China. It would seem the first economy in the world, right? You can’t even formulate your claims specifically, but it’s more fun together, right? In the mass, the rally is more interesting, the main thing is not the war, yes, the main thing is maneuvers?
            2. nikniknik
              nikniknik 23 December 2022 13: 18
              +1
              I’m not against the GDP, it even impresses somewhere, but it seems to me that Biden’s symptoms are starting to appear. he is a career officer, and you look at some of his actions and interviews, it becomes sad. for example, "their own" are getting richer, and the reduction coefficient for security officials from year to year freezes, for civilians you have a bone (((
              1. Normal
                Normal 23 December 2022 13: 28
                0
                Here I agree with you. You're right. Unfortunately, it won't work perfectly. Too much time has gone by. But the rollback will be even worse if a pro-Western comes to replace it. I already wrote on the branch, perhaps a little lower, that I personally saw the passport of the Ural Republic in the early 90s. With older comrades. This is the fate prepared. Our strength, and at the same time weakness, is multinationality. The enemy wants to play on it. I think the tops are the same everywhere. Today there was infa that in Tatarstan they do not want to change "president" to "head". It seems to be a trifle, but it is a possible catalyst. Tatarstan is located in the center of Russia, and it is not so difficult to sow confusion there. Curators do not sleep. The tops will pour money for this simply immeasurably. So for now, as it is. GDP is not ideal, of course, but a noble collector from it. I found a key to reassure people in the Caucasus, but remember the same Basayev, who simply paraded around the country with his militants: Budyonnovsk, Beslan, Nord-Ost, etc. But could GDP? Smog. Is it really necessary to look for every grain of a person where he really makes mistakes? There is much more good.
                1. nikniknik
                  nikniknik 23 December 2022 14: 08
                  0
                  there is a lot of good, no doubt, but by promoting the interests of his close rich, he repels his people. the same Nabiullina and Silyanov didn’t do anything and how much blood they drank from the people, but they are again promoted and supported by the GDP, his friend Sechin earns how much for his own, in the same place with construction in the newly liberated supposedly territories, how much they write off and how much they get rich. Madame Arbidol ruined all medicine, and now we are building fapas again, the Minister of the Ministry of Internal Affairs has been ruining the system for how many years and how many corrupt officials there like Zakharchenko, and he doesn’t care how many security officials were given generals in the system of the Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSB in violation of the provisions on the assignment of special titles, vvp officer and must keep his word. said that during his presidency he would not raise the retirement age, did not keep his word. introduced into the constitutional provisions annual indexation of pensions and other incomes above the rate of inflation, are they fulfilling? no. and the government controlled by him, did he do anything useful? no. all "on behalf of the president" and you hear. what team he assembled, then he disentangles. and multinationality has nothing to do with it, we are all Russian in Russia and we all have a Russian mentality, regardless of the nation.
                  1. Normal
                    Normal 23 December 2022 14: 33
                    0
                    Perhaps this was part of the further development. Let me explain. Let's imagine yourself in his place, or even easier, you become the owner of a large plant. There is a team, fed. And it seems that the former boss recommended you, but they still look at you with caution. There are two options for the development of events, well, I see it that way, I do not pretend as they say. First, hard and immediately tighten the nuts wherever possible. Second, start smiling until you smile to look around. At the time when the GDP took over the country, it was terrible, in the literal sense of the word. People were ordered, cars were blown up, complete anarchy. Now it seems that there is no such thing, or it is isolated. How do you think, due to what and who did it happen? It is clear that crime is evil, it is bad. But if I didn't have a choice between uncontrollable and controllable, I would choose the second one. For a while.
                    Let's remember Khodorkovsky. Why did he sit down, worse than the rest of the oligarchs? No, the same, except for one thing: he came to the GDP to set conditions. Almost kicked open the door. This was his mistake. GDP can and does make mistakes, but he will not forgive a personal insult, you need to know his psychotype. Other oligarchs turned out to be more perspicacious, as well as the generals from the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Therefore, in order to retain power, he had to come to an agreement at least somehow. The whole tragedy of Putin is time, or rather, a catastrophic lack of time. It took a lot of strength to buck against Europe and the United States, and they can only be gained by gaining time.
                    GDP is a sooo cool strategist and an unimportant business executive.
                    Sometimes you can't take everything literally. Against us, in the west, not boys play, believe me.
                    Here's a real-life example of people taking appointments and information literally.
                    So - Minister of Defense Serdyukov. Who and how just did not vilify him. Everything seems to be true and correct. But there is one "but" and it is very significant. When viewed from the point of view of internal problems, within the country, the appointment seems simply absurd. But if you look at this appointment through the eyes of the same United States? Putin formally fooled them, just like children. By appointing Serdyukov, he only lulled their vigilance. And do you know how to understand it? yes, very simply, by "jumping" in 08 to Ossetia by Georgia. Yes Yes. It was then that Medvedev replaced the GDP. Westerners are not stupid either, they essentially probed how Russia would react without Putin. Fortunately, the country was still led by the GDP, albeit in the post of prime minister. Therefore, the task of Serdyukov was similar, GDP was gaining time, he was sorely lacking it. But in the meantime, Russia was rearming, strengthening, replenishing the gold reserves. After all, it was not in vain that he later awarded him. We just don't know a lot about what actually happens inside. If it were necessary to punish Vasiliev, they would have punished, believe me, Ulyukaev was punished when it was necessary? There is a game going on here, a chess game, where the pieces are not constant, today, as long as they are needed, they will be, for the time being. I could continue to tell and speculate, but I'm afraid there will be too much text, there is already a lot of it, as I see it.
                    1. gromovanton
                      gromovanton 23 December 2022 17: 51
                      +3
                      Interesting thoughts! They have logic. And probably some kind of such games are being played. I agree with your analogy with the new head of production - I had to smile. Half of the Duma was from proteges of organized crime, the second half from the oligarchy. Everyone was fed in this system from the traffic police inspector to the Prime Minister. The situation is, to put it bluntly, abysmal.
                      But questions arise:
                      1. Why destroy education, medicine, science? (such games of giveaway lead the whole country to death, and unlike just a change of head of state, departments - the consequences of their degradation cannot be corrected faster than in 20-30 years ....)
                      2. What was the plan to keep our reserves in the hands of the enemy?
                      3. From the sore - walkie-talkies could they have been riveted in 8 years?
                      1. Normal
                        Normal 23 December 2022 18: 03
                        +2
                        Thank you for your feedback. I just don't have an answer to your questions. And if they were, I'm afraid that I'll "swim" in them. I can only remotely guess with regards to education. This is the strongest slow-motion strike. If you want to defeat the enemy, raise his children. Something like this. For me personally, this is the most dangerous round of development. Because when you look at the interests of teenagers, at their values, and they are expressed only in consumerism, it really becomes scary for the future of the country. But the economist and financier of me is so-so, it's about the reserves. Therefore, this question for me is like Filkin's diploma)
                        In terms of radios, this is generally an oxymoron!
                2. nikniknik
                  nikniknik 23 December 2022 14: 27
                  +1
                  even such a trifle, on TV there are only talk shows and 60 minutes, and "who is against" and an evening with Vladimir Solovyov, you look already sick of the culture of speech from the hosts. Where is this culture? Is it really worth broadcasting to the whole of Russia rudeness, interruptions, shouts from the hosts at the participants in the discussion. Look at the same Solovyov, he trumps by the fact that he personally enters the GDP and how he behaves on public television, is it permissible that he gets up: but he does this because he personally knows and enters the GDP, by his behavior and permissiveness, frankly shames the President of the Russian Federation. It is from such examples that people judge the leadership of the country. For some, everything is possible, but for some, they are torn off by taxes and fines. What about the administration of justice? Corrupt officials who stole billions are tried, but they are under house arrest and fined in thousands, and billions remain with them, why everyone is not confiscated in favor of the state, but the collective farmer will be imprisoned for 5 years for a bag of potatoes, which he stole to live on from hopelessness. This is another so-called example. And the fact that chickens are kept in the country is a fine. Why are people doing this? in order for a person to have meat. Right now they are solving the issue of removing apples and beef from the consumer basket, like they are imported. And what prevents the development of our own production and not to interfere with agricultural farming or not to give loans to the same farmers at minimum loans and not predatory loans, so that there is meat and grain, vegetables and fruits? much can be discussed.
            3. Yaroslav Tekkel
              Yaroslav Tekkel 23 December 2022 22: 23
              0
              Yes, by the way, Medvedev. Explain what was the need not to release Medvedev for a second term (and he did an excellent job, especially looking from the bottom of current achievements), but to go over himself again?
        2. AdAstra
          AdAstra 22 December 2022 22: 57
          +4
          Then you need to directly say that it does not work and leave.
        3. Anatoly Proskurin
          Anatoly Proskurin 23 December 2022 08: 09
          +2
          the argument is not bad, but who is on the bench at VV? ... Dzyuba, Arshavin, Anopka? And where are the Suvorovs, where are the Bagrations, where are the GENIUS? So I see how brilliantly the reindeer breeder prepared the army for war - should I rejoice?
          1. Normal
            Normal 23 December 2022 11: 00
            0
            Of course, there are errors in many aspects, including the ones you mentioned above. But we essentially have no precedents with whom or with what to compare. Here is with regards to the "reindeer breeder" and how he prepared the army. let's talk together? There are states that have never fought a war with a seriously trained opponent. How can we understand their readiness for example? no way. Supplying weapons and giving instructors is not direct military action. Let's ask ourselves a question, purely hypothetically: what would be the picture if mobilization was announced in the United States?) Only the lazy did not discuss about ours who fled to neighboring countries. But what will happen if this happens in the states, France, Germany, Spain ... etc.?) It's not for nothing that there is a saying: it's good where we are not. But! We in the historical projection know about the victories of Russia, but what can the collective West boast of?
            I am not defending the frantic president, I just want an adequate comparison of the situation with other countries. if we compare something in our life, then the comparison should be identical for several objects, that is, the conditions for comparison should be the same. You won’t compare the conditions for living, let’s say Miami and Magadan, just because both cities begin with the capital letter “M”?) That is, even the temperature level, the duration of heat / cold are different, it’s just for fun I gave an example. Or how to compare, for example, the country of Portugal, the westernmost country in Europe, with Russia and its scale? One logistics only already unequal to compare. And then it is necessary to heat such a country ... in general, a critical mass for the eyes.
            1. Yaroslav Tekkel
              Yaroslav Tekkel 23 December 2022 22: 41
              0
              Quote: Normal
              There are states that have never fought a war with a seriously trained opponent.


              Yes. They just brought Japan to the sea, which had the second fleet in the world and which started the war by arranging a naval analogue for the Americans on June 22. At the same time, still managing to keep some of the ships in the Atlantic and the Mediterranean. With only negligible losses, in 1991, defeating the millionth Iraqi army, which had the largest (and most successful) experience of a major war in the world at that time.

              How can we understand their readiness for example? no way.

              Well, for example, comparing the actions of the USAF and the Aerospace Forces. If the Americans staged large-scale operations in all their wars with lump sum with the coordinated involvement of dozens of aircraft (reconnaissance, AWACS, tankers, attack, cover fighters), then the Aerospace Forces fly in formations. And who's tougher?
              1. Normal
                Normal 24 December 2022 08: 14
                0
                I meant on my territory. And I was not mistaken about readiness. All their opponents were obviously weaker than them. But this is not the essence in principle, but the fact that they understood impunity in essence. In our case, they understand what a jump in our direction can turn into, namely military operations specifically with Russia.
                The example with Iraq is unsuccessful. Iraq does not have nuclear weapons. Let me remind you of their bravura campaign towards North Korea. Well demonstrated and? And the "I" is that the UK has something to fuck, that's the whole story. And yet, they are directly dependent on the benefits. It was in Iraq, but it is not with the UK, well, except for the regime.
                Iron itself does not fight. People are fighting. Recently, they may have read how the crew of a Su-24, being hit, went to ram into a column of armored vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, with the words "meet dad with ....". And after all, this is not a single act on the part of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, there are a huge number of them in the NWO. That's when I read en masse about the same heroic deeds on the part of the US military, then we will have a subject of conversation. The SVO began, in principle, with a similar act, where a serviceman Gadzhimagemedov, being surrounded by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, blew himself up with a grenade. But at that time he had a daughter, whom he had not even managed to hold in his arms. What are you trying to tell me here? They are up to us as to China with cancer. And if you are so delighted with the possibilities of the United States, can you change your priorities?
                1. German
                  German 24 December 2022 14: 08
                  -1
                  Okay, let me tell you about the possibilities of the United States.
                  Despite all the sanctions, we sell all the raw materials they need: oil, diesel, uranium, titanium...
                  Despite all the sanctions, we are withdrawing money to them: see the Central Bank forecast for the withdrawal of capital this year,
                  Despite all the sanctions, the key commodity producers of our country are under their direct control!
                  At the same time, we are conducting military operations on our historical lands, practically a civil war. Which they organized: remember the famous "fuck euro!" Maidan times?
                  Well, why should their military show heroism? The military-political system of the United States contributed to the creation of this situation, so their military is now analyzing, studying, developing communication, interaction and intelligence systems. And they don't need to be heroic. And their military-industrial complex is loaded with orders from "colleagues" in NATO.
                  Here's a short story about the possibilities of the United States.
                  1. Normal
                    Normal 24 December 2022 19: 33
                    0
                    I understand you in theory, and this is a fact. It's about comparison. I compared, nothing more. And in comparison, your argument collapses as there is nothing to do. War is not your argument, and not mine, war is an existing fact.
                  2. Normal
                    Normal 25 December 2022 09: 32
                    0
                    I did not ask to talk about the possibilities of the enemy of my state. You can play on the possibilities of the United States. You are stuck like a bath leaf. I do not care about the possibilities of the United States. They will be nullified as well as other possibilities.
                  3. Normal
                    Normal 25 December 2022 09: 33
                    0
                    And yes, I'm not interested in tsipsota, everyone?
                2. Yaroslav Tekkel
                  Yaroslav Tekkel 24 December 2022 19: 29
                  0
                  Quote: Normal
                  Recently, they may have read how the crew of a Su-24, being hit, went to ram into a column of armored vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, with the words "meet dad with ....".


                  Was reading. I didn’t see independent evidence with photo / video recording, but, of course, I read it. But let's assume it's true. For starters, it was not the VKS crew. It was the crew of the Wagner. And given the cute custom of this office to sledgehammer those who surrendered, there is still a question of the motivation of the heroic crew. Because the Aerospace Forces are full of cases when the downed pilots calmly ejected, surrendered to the Ukrainians and then returned on an exchange.

                  And the main question, since you said that "it's not iron that fights, but people" - why did this happen at all? How could the Su-24 be knocked out at such close range that he could go for a ram? Obviously because he was going to process the convoy with NARs or / and free-falling bombs. Like IL-2, Thunderbolt or FV-190 from the Second World War, substituting not only for MANPADS, but even for machine guns. Is this something to be proud of? An American plane would hit with a dozen guided bombs / missiles without entering the affected area, destroy the convoy and calmly return to the airfield, where the crew would drink coffee, and the ground attendants would prepare the car to destroy the next convoy, possibly on the same day. Instead (even assuming that the ram was and was successful), they exchanged an expensive plane with a couple of highly qualified specialists for a couple of trucks / MTLBs, the drivers of which are trained in a couple of months.

                  Quote: Normal
                  And after all, this is not a single act on the part of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, there are a huge number of them in the NWO.


                  I am translating from patriotic into Russian: this is not a single flight, which is inevitable in any army, this is a system when a huge number of times the Russian military is forced to compensate with heroism for the general shitty quality of the army.

                  Quote: Normal
                  That's when I will read in droves about the same heroic deeds by the US military


                  That's when the US military in droves will start to do the same, so that they have to massively perform heroic deeds, then we'll talk. When the US military surrenders the state capital to some clowns without a fight, then we'll talk. When the term “XNUMXth” appears in the USA, and partial mobilization is carried out to compensate for them, and men from Texas and California begin to collect money for helmets and armor, while other men from Texas and California besiege the Canadian border - that's when we'll talk.

                  Quote: Normal
                  What are you trying to tell me here? They are up to us as to China with cancer. And if you are so delighted with the possibilities of the United States, can you change your priorities?


                  We are 50 years behind them. The US infantry in Vietnam received artillery support faster on request than ours in 2022. If we didn't have nuclear weapons, we would be rolled into a thin pancake. And yes, my priorities are the same as the American ones: to have a superbly trained army with effective modern weapons and competent tactics for their use.
        4. Akuzenka
          Akuzenka 23 December 2022 09: 01
          +2
          Did I write that it's easy for him. Find a normal adult who has everything simple. You won't find. My father instilled a simple thought in me from childhood. "Do not promise". You can do it - do it, come and say "done". And the promises of self-knowing and subsequent actions strangely coincided with some of the recommendations of the IMF and the WTO that this should not be done. Not with requirements, but with recommendations! And some of the promises from the very beginning were utopias. If only they were silent! So no!
          1. Normal
            Normal 23 December 2022 11: 10
            +1
            Of course your father was one hundred percent right! And you have the right to be dissatisfied with this or other moments. And I, including on many, very many issues, do not agree and are extremely dissatisfied. It's just that Russia's path is different from that of Ukraine. Look at how many leaders they have changed in 30 years. began to live better? Get out of Kravchuk, get out of Kuchma, get out of Yushchenko, get out of Yanukovych, get out of Poroshenko... Zelensky... how do you like this alignment? When the GDP came, our country was in such an ass ... How many freaks were there in the government ... remember Foreign Minister Kozyrev? Do you remember how he once said: Russia has no national interests .... it's just a northern furry animal ... And there were a huge number of them. Then try to bark the GDP, it would have been gone for a long time. You see, in any process there are deadlines, it all depends on the process. It is impossible for a woman to become pregnant and give birth in two months. Would she like that? Yes, is that possible? No! Because there is a process, and it must go through its stages of development, the fetus of the child must ripen. The state is also, figuratively speaking, a child. Russia is still young by the standards of the state, even if it is the successor of the USSR. Well, let it develop step by step. there was the first Chechen, the second Chechen, Basayev traveled around the cities, Budenovsk, Beslan, Nord-Ost ... has the situation changed? Of course it has changed. It just takes time, you need to become stronger, then give power to the receiver. And I am absolutely sure, one hundred percent, that he does not hold on to power, the time is now such that there are still risks of rolling back to the 90s. In the early 90s, I was in the hands of senior comrades with a passport of the Ural Republic. That's how it was. A little more, and the country would be torn to pieces. Do you think their plans have changed now? Of course not. Therefore, I will support my country's president even in the most difficult situations.
            1. Akuzenka
              Akuzenka 23 December 2022 11: 20
              +3
              5 years ago, I would have subscribed to your every word. Now, alas, the logic does not allow. I just took and analyzed the process of "building" the army in the Russian Federation. The pace of production of weapons, organization, changes in doctrine and tactics (very clearly manifested in the NWO) and came to an unpleasant conclusion. Then he analyzed the production of aircraft - the same. About import substitution - like a dead man. And so in all areas, except for the export of capital abroad. And he made a very bad conclusion from all this: the Russian Federation is already rolling downhill and the speed is increasing. I would like to be wrong. Of course, I don’t enter the “Olympic” spheres, but I see it this way.
              1. Normal
                Normal 23 December 2022 11: 31
                +2
                And again, I agree with your arguments! I think it's worth looking into the cause. One person cannot control up to the Housing Office, well, this is an oxymoron. Decrees are signed, only there are many saboteurs on the ground. And with regards to weapons in the first place. You're right. Only by refusing to understand this will it not be better for you, or for me, or for our people. In my humble opinion, now it is necessary to very clearly calibrate to whom to give power in the future. in my opinion it will be worse than a nuclear conflict. In the second case, it is inevitable if the enemy attacks; in the first case, it is a cold and calculated calculation. And if I make a mistake here, it would be better for me not to see it, that is, to die, seeing how we are being returned to the past, the terrible past, I mean the formation of young Russia.
                1. Akuzenka
                  Akuzenka 25 December 2022 11: 07
                  0
                  You have stated everything clearly and correctly. agree.
      3. lubesky
        lubesky 23 December 2022 00: 27
        +10
        Quote: AKuzenka
        We have learned about the retirement age, and we remember about the doubling of GDP (he definitely doubled it for himself, didn’t he triple it?), And we didn’t forget about import substitution either.

        But what about 25 million high-tech jobs with wages outpacing the EU? But what about the sharp increase in production with "high redistribution and added value"? wassat
        1. Akuzenka
          Akuzenka 23 December 2022 09: 06
          +1
          But what about 25 million high-tech jobs with wages outpacing the EU? But what about the sharp increase in production with "high redistribution and added value"?
          So the TV didn't show that! And it doesn't show that.
        2. vitvit123
          vitvit123 23 December 2022 11: 01
          +1
          Well, not 25 million, but several hundred thousand jobs were created in their own .. with a salary. ahead of anything.. (sarcasm)
  7. break_beats
    break_beats 22 December 2022 20: 45
    -2
    Quote: Stoler
    Such! We started and run with requests to start negotiations !! Feel the power!! good


    Any war ends with negotiations. Surrender is the same negotiations on the terms of the winning side.
    1. Rustic
      Rustic 22 December 2022 20: 52
      +7
      Surrender is the same negotiations on the terms of the winning side.
      You can do without surrender. It is only necessary to completely destroy all Bandero-fascists to the last. That there would even be no one to capitulate.
  8. Carib
    Carib 22 December 2022 20: 47
    +1
    About negotiations, this is for Western journalists. And for their own, only complete denazification and complete demilitarization.
    1. Dmitry_24rus
      Dmitry_24rus 22 December 2022 20: 53
      +2
      Yes, no, I feel in good spirits, there will be negotiations and there will be acts of "good will" on our part. Ready for discussion))
  9. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 22 December 2022 20: 48
    +21
    An attempt by GDP to make a good "mine" in a bad game.
    1. fa2998
      fa2998 22 December 2022 21: 01
      +1
      Quote: 16112014nk
      An attempt by GDP to make a good "mine" in a bad game.

      In other words, "nothing works, then we will not do anything"
      1. 16112014nk
        16112014nk 23 December 2022 11: 55
        0
        Yes, something like this Zhvanetsky said:
        So let's leave it as it is for now. It is very difficult to change without changing anything, but we will..
    2. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 22 December 2022 21: 22
      +22
      Slowly, little by little ... "A hen by grain" ... the male population is slowly knocked out, crippled bodily and spiritually ... Who are going to replace it? Tajik-Uzbeks? Chinese? From whom do women "give birth"?
      1. Ivan Ivanov
        Ivan Ivanov 22 December 2022 23: 28
        -1
        They are not thinking about replacement, of course, but how to sit on two chairs, where we have been sitting since 2014, so that we can achieve some goal and not exacerbate too much.
  10. Botanologist
    Botanologist 22 December 2022 20: 49
    +15
    "but in any case, the conflict will end with negotiations"
    The Great Patriotic War, I remember, ended with an act of unconditional surrender ..
    1. lopvlad
      lopvlad 22 December 2022 21: 22
      -14
      Quote: Botanologist
      The Great Patriotic War, I remember, ended with an act of unconditional surrender ..


      the signing of an act of unconditional surrender was the result of negotiations.
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 22 December 2022 21: 40
        +13
        Quote: lopvlad
        the signing of the act of unconditional surrender was result of negotiations

        Did you happen to miss anything?
        Maybe the result of victory on the battlefield?

        But she was not mentioned in the speech.
        1. lopvlad
          lopvlad 25 December 2022 13: 57
          -1
          Quote: Stas157
          Did you happen to miss anything?


          there is nothing. Victory on the battlefield - negotiations on the terms of surrender - signing the act of surrender.

          Quote: Stas157
          But she was not mentioned in the speech.


          what should be said there? the conditions for successful negotiations were put forward by Russia at the beginning of the NWO, namely denazification, demilitarization, the neutral status of Ukraine without Donbass + Zaporozhye and Kherson regions (added as a result of a referendum).
          Or do you think that the president in his every speech should endlessly mention this for those who are "in the tank"?
  11. filibuster
    filibuster 22 December 2022 20: 51
    +19
    "We haven't started anything yet," in other words. By the way, Putin is generally aware that Kherson was left, otherwise he didn’t say a word about him at all.
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 22 December 2022 23: 30
      +1
      On mail.ru "the news is dangling" that ATTENTION! the head of a group of advisers called "Tsar's Wolves" (the name, then what, Lord ...) Dmitry Rogozin was wounded in the back during the shelling of the hotel where he was. They shot, apparently, the French "Caesar". Leader of the group of "advisers"! how! With such advisers we will definitely win yes
      1. igork735
        igork735 23 December 2022 10: 32
        0
        The wounds of the former head of Roskosmos, Dmitry Rogozin, turned out to be more severe than it seemed at first. This was written on December 22 by the ex-deputy of the Verkhovna Rada Oleg Tsarev in his telegram channel.

        Tsarev also added that Rogozin's wife received a severe concussion.
        Fontanka.ru
  12. Iris
    Iris 22 December 2022 20: 53
    +29
    Unjustified losses are when it is stupid to storm fortified areas for months with frontal attacks with limited artillery and air support. Such an impression. that in the Moscow Region they did not hear about detours, coverage, flank strikes, pincers and much more that was invented by the Scythians.
    1. lopvlad
      lopvlad 22 December 2022 21: 36
      +1
      Quote: Kasatik
      Unjustified loss is when


      you advance in military columns at a gallop, while losing a week of battles under a hundred tanks and under 2 thousand killed, and as a result, the result of this is not only zero, but one can say negative with the withdrawal of troops from near Kyiv, because without a continuous front line with putting things in order in your The rear of the enemy cannot be defeated by any breakthroughs.
      Ukraine will be turned into ruins.
  13. Ulan.1812
    Ulan.1812 22 December 2022 20: 54
    +8
    And what else can he say with such results.
    Interestingly, Stalin could say this, like, be patient, we are not in a hurry.
  14. Arkady007
    Arkady007 22 December 2022 20: 54
    -16
    Too expensive device is the Patriot.
    There is no doubt that ours will cover it.
    Well, the Ukrainians ran into even more debts on this score. Americans need new systems, and old ones can be sold. So they found fools in the face of Zelensky, they sold what is called.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 22 December 2022 21: 46
      +7
      Quote: Arkady007
      The fact that ours will cover it no doubt.

      Really?
      Has Ukraine's air defense already been knocked out?
      And how many rszo highmars were destroyed?
      1. Arkady007
        Arkady007 22 December 2022 22: 41
        0
        Do you generally distinguish the principle of operation of the MLRS and air defense systems?
        1. Dmitry Rigov
          Dmitry Rigov 22 December 2022 23: 26
          +5
          So if the RF Armed Forces could not cope with the Soviet S-300s, then where does such confidence come from that more modern Patriots can endure?
    2. fa2998
      fa2998 22 December 2022 22: 31
      +9
      Quote: Arkady007
      There is no doubt that ours will cover it.

      And the fact that two dozen "Haymars" mosquitoes our troops, and the population - only in the reports destroyed 100500 pieces. hi
  15. break_beats
    break_beats 22 December 2022 20: 54
    -31
    Quote: Kasatik
    Unjustified losses are when it is stupid to storm fortified areas for months with frontal attacks with limited artillery and air support. Such an impression. that in the Moscow Region they did not hear about detours, coverage, flank strikes, pincers and much more that was invented by the Scythians.


    Forward to the military registration and enlistment office, show on the front line good and you are bored and we have fun drinks
    1. Arbeiternegast
      Arbeiternegast 22 December 2022 21: 25
      +25
      Forward to the recruiting office, show good at the front line and you are not bored and we have fun

      You then, bots, always have fun .... Nothing smart, just a hackneyed hurdy-gurdy, and stupid slogans. What, absolutely trouble with the brains in the propaganda field?
    2. vitvit123
      vitvit123 23 December 2022 12: 03
      0
      Well, you tell him to go to the military registration and enlistment office ... but what, in the military registration and enlistment office they will give him a general's position so that he shows himself? So it's not equal! His privates will be sent to take the fortified area ... but the generals still do not recognize all the maneuvers that he mentioned ... therefore, you are not teasing him correctly ..
  16. PC
    PC 22 December 2022 20: 55
    +24
    It is very strange to hear such a thing from the lips of the President. I remember that on February 24 of this year there was no talk of negotiations. "Patriots" click? Have you clicked on a lot of Chimeras? I have no further words, only interjections.
    1. alexoff
      alexoff 22 December 2022 22: 28
      -1
      What have you forgotten? Negotiations immediately began with the participation of Medinsky, Zelensky elected president, all that. Here you can rather take an interest in his saying about the Ukrainian offensive in September - they say, let's see how it ends. And I suspect the Hemars are protected by the red line, they roll up to the front closer than the Caesars, but the Caesars were brought many times less, but we saw footage of their defeat. So that not a single lancet could reach the Hemars is some kind of nonsense, or no one even tried, because the Can wants to sell them for billions, you can’t touch it. Caesars can be, paladins too. And if they hit, then do not give shots!
      1. Dmitry Rigov
        Dmitry Rigov 22 December 2022 23: 59
        -2
        Well, these are still different guns, Hymars arrived at night - shot back - left, while Caesar can work at one firing point for a very long time. What is there with the thermal imagers of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, I think those who read the reports of military correspondents guess.
        1. alexoff
          alexoff 23 December 2022 02: 44
          -4
          But there are more hemars, and the mars are also not too fast. They fired from them with unguided rockets, and during the day, too, and drove along the roads. That they have never caught the eye of drones, I very much doubt it. I am 95% sure that they are as elusive and invulnerable as Ukrainian officials, businessmen, propagandists and generals (in 2014, Kulchitsky was shot down over Slavyansk in May, and then almost a hundred dead colonels and zero generals, even by chance, along with some they didn’t hurt the brigade commander!), And container ships with tankers sail surprisingly easily to Odessa - very quickly and far away, not a single helicopter can fly and check what it is being transported there. Yes, and Natsiks probably don’t take bullets from the basement, they shot them - they shot them, and the bullets fly off, well, they sent them home. In general, if not for numerous oddities, I might have believed in a miracle weapon, but now I doubt something
  17. Fangaro
    Fangaro 22 December 2022 20: 56
    +2
    Any conflict ends at a table with representatives of the parties to the conflict and a pile of papers that are agreed in advance, and at the table they simply sign.
  18. Elephant
    Elephant 22 December 2022 20: 57
    +8
    In our case, the armed conflict, which is more like a war, should end not with negotiations, but with a tribunal over Kyiv war criminals!
  19. Tagan
    Tagan 22 December 2022 20: 57
    -5
    Quote: 16112014nk
    An attempt by GDP to make a good "mine" in a bad game.

    Well, who is good?
    1. filibuster
      filibuster 22 December 2022 20: 59
      +8
      China, India, the United States in general is not bad
      1. Ivan Ivanov
        Ivan Ivanov 22 December 2022 23: 33
        -8
        The United States is good, and the Sino-Indian neutral mine will end with their new colonization. Maybe for some of their elites, this is just what they need.
    2. Aag
      Aag 22 December 2022 23: 05
      -1
      Quote: Tagan
      Quote: 16112014nk
      An attempt by GDP to make a good "mine" in a bad game.

      Well, who is good?

      Would you clarify: a game or a mine ...
  20. break_beats
    break_beats 22 December 2022 20: 58
    -22
    Quote: Zakirov Damir
    Quote from breakin_beats
    1) Russians and Ukrainians are one people

    I would send people like you to Wagner PMC. They would preach there!

    Quote from breakin_beats
    2) The main and main goal of the Special Military Operation is the unification of 2 parts of one people.

    The main part of the NWO is the annexation of territories under the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation, which automatically means denazification and demilitarization. But the opposite is not so obvious.

    Quote from breakin_beats
    3) The “Special operation” mode, and not “War”, proceeds from the first two points and no other status will be assigned to this process

    I agree on this point!

    Quote from breakin_beats
    Bravo to our President for a clear mind

    For 22 years, it was possible to teach a bear to govern the country.


    1) Oh yes, it would be an honor for me to be in PMC ,, Wagner ,, good

    2) The President is distinguished by the fact that he thinks many moves ahead. The average human brain is dull to the point of being straightforward. lol

    3) no, you wouldn’t teach a bear, there is a little more consciousness than a cat hi
  21. Zhopir Tumanov
    Zhopir Tumanov 22 December 2022 21: 01
    +5
    You will not please commentators from VO:
    You say one thing - it's bad,
    You say something else - it's bad,
    Silence - the same is bad
    1. Comrade I
      Comrade I 22 December 2022 21: 19
      +7
      Well, for a change, you can also do something ...
      1. alexoff
        alexoff 22 December 2022 22: 29
        +2
        You can still first say, and then bam - and do it!
    2. Stas
      Stas 23 December 2022 01: 23
      0
      Maybe people in power should be responsible for their words and prove it with deeds? No? Understood. This is different... The gentleman gave his word, the gentleman took his word. OK. We drove. wassat
  22. break_beats
    break_beats 22 December 2022 21: 03
    -15
    Quote: p-k
    It is very strange to hear such a thing from the lips of the President. I remember that on February 24 of this year there was no talk of negotiations. "Patriots" click? Have you clicked on a lot of Chimeras? I have no further words, only interjections.


    No, at the very beginning of the operation, Russia indicated that it was ready for negotiations if they were constructive. Russia will follow this position until the end of good
  23. break_beats
    break_beats 22 December 2022 21: 06
    -11
    Quote from Fangaro
    Any conflict ends at a table with representatives of the parties to the conflict and a pile of papers that are agreed in advance, and at the table they simply sign.


    Exactly! Even WWII ended this way.
    And given that the Russians and Ukrainians are one people, then God himself ordered good
  24. break_beats
    break_beats 22 December 2022 21: 07
    -14
    Quote: _SAVO_
    I hope it’s sarcasm ... The implementation of the stated goals is generally impossible, perhaps, only except for the LDNR ... And about the unification and one people ... Just now Simonyan, the wretched mouthpiece of the Kremlin, was applauded at the award for merit,


    Everything will be exactly as described, infa weaving drinks
  25. tarragon
    tarragon 22 December 2022 21: 20
    +2
    It is possible to agree. Only the reality is that there is no one ...
    Deceived….
  26. break_beats
    break_beats 22 December 2022 21: 20
    -19
    Quote: Arbeiternegast
    Do not argue with this bot, he has stupid comments.


    Of course a bot! Your on-duty template snot with hashtags ,,authority, the Kremlin, leaked, kickbacks, retreat, blew, corruption, etc. did not have time to put into the logic of my work laughing
    1. Reklastik
      Reklastik 22 December 2022 23: 00
      0
      In the logic of my work, they did not have time to lay your on-duty template snot
      - so this is ... Both the bear and the cat, and, moreover, the bot are trainable ... Let's fix the firmware. So that more balanced judgments are issued
  27. Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 22 December 2022 21: 28
    +5
    And what will comrade Roma Abramovich say about this? An ardent patriot of Russia with a residence permit in London and citizenship of Israel, as well as a big fan of mercenaries and the natural wealth of Russia.
  28. break_beats
    break_beats 22 December 2022 21: 30
    -10
    Quote: Arbeiternegast
    Forward to the recruiting office, show good at the front line and you are not bored and we have fun

    You then, bots, always have fun .... Nothing smart, just a hackneyed hurdy-gurdy, and stupid slogans. What, absolutely trouble with the brains in the propaganda field?


    #Kremlin
    #power
    #passed
    #profuced
    #leaked
    #corruption
    #who will answer
    #shamefulretreat

    Did you forget anything from the hashtags you understand? lol
    1. Mobidic
      Mobidic 23 December 2022 02: 14
      -1
      #how long!

      Sorry, I'm not smart enough to write a normal comment
  29. Million
    Million 22 December 2022 21: 34
    +11
    In, I have already changed my shoes. Goals and tasks are changing like the weather today.
  30. Iris
    Iris 22 December 2022 21: 37
    +8
    And what, the ancient "Strela-10" and "Osa" have already clicked everything? I’m generally embarrassed to ask about the Buk ...
  31. arthh
    arthh 22 December 2022 21: 38
    +13
    Well, even let's say the LPR and the DPR remain with Russia, (Let's say the West miraculously agreed)
    Zelensky remains at the helm

    So, what is next? Did you say there are no guarantees? Where will the negotiations lead? But the West will in no way agree to leave the territories of Russia for the sake of all this, if only to make concessions to the West.
  32. Normal
    Normal 22 December 2022 21: 44
    +5
    It should end with the surrender of the Sumerians. What are the negotiations? We still have to return Odessa, Kharkov, Nikolaev.
    1. Amper
      Amper 22 December 2022 22: 01
      +7
      What forces, means, under whose command? belay Please post the entire list! lol
      1. Normal
        Normal 22 December 2022 22: 05
        -1
        Yeah, I blew up right at your request to scribble a report for you.)) Military secret)
        1. Amper
          Amper 22 December 2022 22: 20
          -1
          I understand, I sympathize, I don’t insist ... and so it’s clear to the majority, it’s only terribly to believe after 1945. belay A time to live and a time to die... crying
    2. forty-eighth
      forty-eighth 23 December 2022 01: 21
      0
      Do you plan to return Kherson any more?
      Quote: Normal
      It should end with the surrender of the Sumerians. What are the negotiations? We still have to return Odessa, Kharkov, Nikolaev.
  33. Ghost1
    Ghost1 22 December 2022 21: 53
    +4
    In general, this, as it were, hints that there will be no large-scale offensive / strike, which I'm still waiting for. Well, or it's hpp with distraction, which of course takes place, but somehow unlikely.
  34. Konnick
    Konnick 22 December 2022 21: 57
    +7
    After that, President Putin pointedly added: "The hen pecks grain by grain."


    Well, you ...... passed back.
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 22 December 2022 23: 19
      +4
      When I communicate with colleagues, from those who "believes", to the question: "Why do you think that we will win and this whole" story "will end happily for the country?", in response I hear only one thing: "So how. ..we can’t help but win, our Supreme has probably already thought out and calculated everything in advance, everything is going according to his plan - he himself said so and he probably has some aces up his sleeve, and he will get them at the right time and therefore, everything will end with our complete victory ... It simply cannot be otherwise! These are the thoughts of some - a complete and unconditional hope for another HPP and "aces in the hole", which will lead to victory. request
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 23 December 2022 00: 44
        -6
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        When I communicate with colleagues, from those who "believes", to the question: "Why do you think that we will win and this whole" story "will end happily for the country?", in response I hear only one thing: "So how. ..we can’t help but win, our Supreme has probably already thought out and calculated everything in advance, everything is going according to his plan - he himself said so and he probably has some aces up his sleeve, and he will get them at the right time and therefore, everything will end with our complete victory ... It simply cannot be otherwise! These are the thoughts of some - a complete and unconditional hope for another HPP and "aces in the hole", which will lead to victory. request

        Come on, why primitize people's confidence in Russia's victory? Well, mattresses have been sticking out in Afghanistan for 20 years with all their advanced standards, equipment and aviation, but nevertheless, having skied together ears on the dunes, without defeating the bearded homeless with Kalash.
        Russia has used no more than 20% of its military potential. Starting the NWO on February 24, 2022, the degree of involvement in the Ukrainian conflict, the United States and NATO countries was practically zero and increased as it developed, through the supply of weapons, funding and sending recruits of mercenaries. Without an increase in the number of l / s, the tasks set in the changed conditions could not be solved, which resulted in a change in tactics to the transition to defense and partial mobilization. Now the front is being saturated with personnel, equipment, b/p and debugging interdepartmental interaction, after which the picture on the theater will definitely change not in favor of the banderlogs and their puppeteers. There is no HSP, there is routine work to prepare for the offensive. If NATO fits directly against Russia, then in this case the Military Doctrine will be implemented up to the delivery of a nuclear strike, and therefore the mattresses and co will only angrily look from the side at how Russia is hammering nails into the coffin of Banderlogs, since they try on nuclear umbrellas do not burn with desire, however, like us. And without outside support, Ukraine will not last long. its resources are negligible.
        1. Monster_Fat
          Monster_Fat 23 December 2022 01: 46
          +4
          Firstly: this is a blind and unconfirmed belief in the "insignificant resources" of Ukraine, largely created by our media, their "chants" about "near-minded" "pans", "diggers of the seas", "Sumerians", etc. calling derogatory nicknames having nothing to do with reality. Secondly, as I understand it, some still do not understand that NATO and the United States have adopted a whole program to ensure the victory of Ukraine, and it is being consistently carried out and will continue to be carried out, that is, they are serious about ensuring victory for Ukraine, thirdly: confidence in the "exhaustion of the West and the dissatisfaction of the burghers with the deterioration of life is not justified by anything, except for the desire for it to be so. In fact, on the contrary, the strengthening of the work of the Western defense complex and everything connected with it is a jump in the labor market, the demand for jobs in all areas , investment growth, Fourthly: with the depletion of human resources in Ukraine, mercenaries and other "volunteers" from Western countries will be connected in increasing numbers, for the payment of whose services the West will always find funds, fifthly: NATO no longer hides its participation its military personnel in the events in Ukraine and says that it will continue to strengthen their presence there, that is, NATO does not deny its direct participation there in the future. Finally, sixth: NATO has warned that any use of nuclear weapons by Russia will be followed by an immediate response and its severity and responsibility for the further development of the event will be entirely on the one who used these weapons. What is meant by this - I do not know, but nothing good for us and perhaps for the whole world as a whole ...
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 23 December 2022 07: 55
            -2
            Quote: Monster_Fat
            Firstly: this is a blind and unconfirmed belief in the "insignificant resources" of Ukraine, largely created by our media, their "chants" about "near-minded" "pans", "diggers of the seas", "Sumerians", etc. calling derogatory nicknames having nothing to do with reality

            Well, if so, then list their factories that are currently forging weapons of victory, cartridges, shells, missiles, aircraft, ships, tanks and other related products !!!
            Quote: Monster_Fat
            Secondly, as I understand it, some still do not understand that NATO and the United States have adopted a whole program to ensure the victory of Ukraine and it is being consistently carried out and will continue to be carried out, that is, they are serious about ensuring victory for Ukraine
            This is exactly what no one denies. But the failure in their planning began with the departure of the Crimea, in November 2021 they were asked to revise the plan and take into account the interests of Russia, which was rejected, and on February 24, opposition to their plan began.
            Quote: Monster_Fat
            thirdly: confidence in "the exhaustion of the West and the dissatisfaction of the burghers with the deterioration of life is not justified by anything, except for the desire that it be so
            Yes of course. Even in the United States, dissatisfied voices are already heard against financing Ukraine in the amount of more than 40 billion dollars, while Bidon cannot find 1,7 billion dollars to extend medical insurance. Discontent is growing in Europe as well.
            Quote: Monster_Fat
            Fourth: with the depletion of human resources in Ukraine, mercenaries and other "volunteers" from Western countries will be connected in increasing numbers, for the payment of whose services the West will always find funds

            When transit goes in one direction, from where there is no return, there will not be very many people who want it, although of course there will be many.
            Quote: Monster_Fat
            Fifthly, NATO no longer hides the participation of its military personnel in the events in Ukraine and says that it will continue to strengthen their presence there, that is, NATO does not deny its direct participation there in the future.
            It is difficult to hide what is already obvious, but for now, NATO forces do not participate in combat formations and operate in a limited way under the guise of instructors. There are no tankers, pilots and infantry in the state of NATO.
            Quote: Monster_Fat
            NATO has warned that any use of nuclear weapons by Russia will be followed by an immediate response and its severity and responsibility for the further development of the event will be entirely on the one who used these weapons. I don’t know, but nothing good for us is possible, for the whole world...
            The blame will lie entirely with the initiators and instigators of the current war, that is, the United States and NATO, and the use of nuclear weapons will be our last argument in establishing justice and punishing those responsible. Let there be no one left after that. The planet will not collapse, it will heal wounds and life will be reborn, but without humanity. Mankind has proven that it is not worthy of this planet. Apparently, this is the providence and punishment of the Lord. Let's finish for this.
            1. single-n
              single-n 23 December 2022 09: 41
              +2
              It is easier to list which are NOT
              Well, if so, then list their factories that are currently forging weapons of victory, cartridges, shells, missiles, aircraft, ships, tanks and other related products !!!
              AROUND THE WORLD.


              Since the end of February, the United States has supplied Ukraine with 140 artillery systems and 660 shells and missiles for them, according to official figures from the United States Transportation Command.

              In addition, Ukraine received:

              41 man-portable missile systems to combat armored targets (ATGM);
              1,4 thousand portable anti-aircraft missile systems (MANPADS);
              15 helicopters;
              38 radars;
              10,2 thousand assault rifles and pistols;
              about 63,8 million small arms rounds;
              18 patrol boats.

              As of October 10, the general list of military and humanitarian aid provided by Berlin to Kyiv includes 66 items. Another 33 positions are under approval. Among the received German weapons are:

              30 ZSU Gepard and 6 thousand cartridges for them;
              14,9 thousand anti-tank mines;
              3 thousand light and smoke grenades;
              54 armored personnel carriers M113 with weapons from Denmark;
              10 Panzerhaubitze 2000 self-propelled howitzers;
              4 IRIS-T SLM air defense systems (one transferred);
              53 thousand cartridges for self-propelled anti-aircraft guns;
              21,8 million small arms rounds;
              100 thousand hand grenades;
              as well as 400 ready meals and 100 first aid kits.

              About the other 38 countries, too, spread the information?
              1. Nyrobsky
                Nyrobsky 23 December 2022 11: 10
                -1
                Quote: Single-n
                About the other 38 countries, too, spread the information?

                Well hello to you. Don't bother yourself with hard work. My colleague and I are actually talking about the resources of Ukraine, and not about the resources of the United States and NATO, without the supply of which Banderlogs will not last long. I myself can tell you about their deliveries and the possibility of information on three sheets.
                If you have already decided to enter into a dialogue, then at least read our previous correspondence.
                1. single-n
                  single-n 23 December 2022 11: 38
                  0
                  It's just that the resources of Ukraine in its military model are inseparable from the resources of NATO. It's like considering the Resources of a separate military district. Ukraine has been trained for at least 8 years as a supplier of soldiers. Technology is secondary. The task of the leadership was to "pump" the population and train the soldiers. It did great with the first one. The second one was difficult. And not just because of losses. It's just that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are being re-equipped with NATO weapons. Therefore, now mass training is being conducted on the territory of the countries of the alliance.
                  Therefore, it makes no sense to count the plants on the territory of Ukraine. There may not be a single enterprise larger than a car service for minor repairs of equipment.
                  And for 8 years, the media have been laughing out loud at the miserable military-industrial complex of Ukraine. And yes. Remember these ridiculous reports about the "Yatsenyuk wall". I remember the reports and articles very well, even on VO. About how a single boar "broke through" this wall. And now every day there is a cry about "powerful fortifications". On all channels, they neighed from "stupid ukrov" who are picking something there. We are hammering away from the Caspian in Syria. What are these trenches worth. We'll roll it out in an hour or two. And then, as in 2014. The APU will run dropping slippers. So far, through all channels, they were engaged in self-praise and “Crimean invasion”, the Armed Forces of Ukraine were stubbornly preparing.
        2. Anatoly Proskurin
          Anatoly Proskurin 23 December 2022 07: 30
          0
          well well. Regarding the nuclear mushrooms in the cities, do you really believe in the epmatia of the frostbitten and arrogant AMER General in relation to ANY civilian population? Do you seriously think that a missionary in an American military uniform, who firmly believes in the "City on the Hill", which he protects, will tremble to press the nuclear button?! .... you do not know the psychology of a BELIEVER .... I assure you- they will press with an orgasm from the lust to do this, because they have long imagined themselves to be the hand of the Lord and his archangels!!!...These people BELIEVED WITH THEIR ALL FATED lives, the achievements of their country, THE ABSENCE OF WARS on their land, in their CHOSENESS!!!... apply and apply. With faith in the chosenness and their technologies.
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 23 December 2022 09: 15
            0
            Quote: Anatoly Proskurin
            Do you seriously think that a missionary in an American military uniform, who firmly believes in the "City on the Hill", which he protects, will tremble to press the nuclear button?! .... you do not know the psychology of a BELIEVER .... I assure you- they will press with an orgasm from the lust to do this, because they have long imagined themselves to be the hand of the Lord and his archangels!!!...These people BELIEVED WITH THEIR ALL FATED lives, the achievements of their country, THE ABSENCE OF WARS on their land, in their CHOSENESS!!!... apply and apply. With faith in the chosenness and their technologies.

            I just don't believe it. They would have done this long ago without blinking an eye if we didn’t have a nuclear arsenal capable of guaranteed to destroy them, and therefore I say to my colleague "Monster_Fat" who doubts Russia's victory that we cannot afford the luxury of losing, and therefore we will go to the end, to the point that we arrange a nuclear armageddon for them.
            As VVP said - "If there is no Russia in this world, then why do we need this world." In my opinion, in these words, our entire military doctrine is very concisely and briefly stated.
  35. Amper
    Amper 22 December 2022 21: 58
    +16
    According to Putin, it is extremely important to ensure the continuity of generations for the full development of the country....!? belay The oligarchic succession must be preserved in any way (read my lips)! bully If not PuCo, then who!? fellow
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 23 December 2022 08: 40
      0
      Like who"? Clearly, "who" is a cat! fellow
  36. samarin1969
    samarin1969 22 December 2022 22: 22
    +17
    Yesterday, the Commander-in-Chief outlined three thoughts.
    1) There will be no intensification of the war
    2) There will be no restructuring of the economy on a war footing.
    3) NATO is increasingly drawn into the conflict.

    The whole strategy boils down to "negotiating coercion." To be frank, even Trotsky's "No War, No Peace" looked more realistic.
    The states are slowly moving the infrastructure to the East, modernizing the Armed Forces of Ukraine, strangling the economy of the Russian Federation, pumping up the front with "volunteers". All this they used against Germany in the world wars. Then they robbed the vanquished and the "winners". In this way, they compensated for the expenses of the budget.
    "Kurochka" does not break these plans of the USA in any way.

    ps Judging by the tour of the "Azovites" and the tendency to "negotiate", "denafication" was thrown into the trash. The Armed Forces of Ukraine see this and cold-bloodedly wage a "war without rules."
    After all, they do not negotiate with those who are hanged.
    1. Amper
      Amper 23 December 2022 19: 04
      -1
      Let the chicken peck! Fatter broth will be!? belay
  37. Andriuha077
    Andriuha077 22 December 2022 22: 36
    +3
    Everything is forgiven in politics except weakness.

    Only one power in the world can defeat Russia. This is Russia itself.

    What Russian doesn’t like fast driving? The one on which they ride.

    Leonid Vladimirovich Shebarshin, lieutenant general, head of foreign intelligence
  38. flyer
    flyer 22 December 2022 22: 46
    +12
    After the word "Click" I realized that the VVPs continue to put on the table polished reports like marble statues.
  39. AdAstra
    AdAstra 22 December 2022 23: 04
    +2
    I sympathize with the pilots recourse "" ""
  40. Ivan Ivanov
    Ivan Ivanov 22 December 2022 23: 07
    +2
    After that, President Putin pointedly added: "The hen pecks grain by grain."

    You have been pecking since 2014, with some success. With such an approach, the front-line cities will turn into dust. The number of victims depends on the thoughtfulness of the operation. It is possible that one-time casualties may be greater, but the total, given the duration of the conflict, is likely to be less.
    1. Amper
      Amper 23 December 2022 19: 08
      +1
      This is it about the period from the 90s coup! And the fact that a grain is disingenuous as always, you can’t build a palace from grains and you won’t do good to all your loved ones .. feel bully
  41. EFIM LYUBIN
    EFIM LYUBIN 22 December 2022 23: 23
    -1
    What else can he say? Russian oligarchs, thieves and traitors, who are interested in prolonging the war for more profit, hold him and his team tightly for Faberge's Easter products!
    1. single-n
      single-n 23 December 2022 09: 44
      +2
      Are they holding themselves? Masochists. Or are there white and fluffy generals / officials, and next to them are evil olyagarchs-vryaditeli?
  42. wladimirjankov
    wladimirjankov 22 December 2022 23: 24
    +4
    have already pecked. Almost half have already been given away from what they won with the blood of our soldiers. It turns out that all this was in vain? And it looks like nobody is going to RETURN anything. They probably began to hope and count on Minsk 3, with another scam from the West and the Nazis. What was our whole plan?
  43. obodrit
    obodrit 22 December 2022 23: 30
    +10
    What kind of "large-scale offensive" can we even talk about? Since September, Russia has only been retreating, showing goodwill gestures. Neither the POSSIBILITY nor the DESIRE of the leaders to wage war is visible.

    Nothing is being done to show at least the theoretical possibility of a forceful solution to the Ukrainian issue. The most conciliatory wording from the top. Over "deals" such as grain, only the lazy did not whinny. About how the partners "deceived us again." This is no longer a circus, this is something worse.

    The President's current formulations have no continuity with the February ones. What head can fit "denazification and demilitarization of Ukraine" and "any armed conflict sooner or later ends with a negotiation process"? What is it like? Negotiate with the kakls so that they cut themselves out of the territory of Ukraine? Is it possible to carry out the demilitarization of the territory in some way through negotiation?

    I think that the real real solution to the problem (and not this circus) will only be if we are pinned to the wall with a knife to our throats. Yes, but it wouldn't be too late. Until then, we will only hear about chickens and willingness to negotiate.

    When the mind is asleep, the loot clouded the eyes, and incompetence has become the rule, nothing good will come of it.
    1. Plover
      Plover 23 December 2022 00: 11
      +2
      Until the majority realizes that he is not a strategist at all, but acts only for momentary interests, everything will only get worse and worse. Everything became clear to me in 2003, when no one followed Khodorkovsky.
  44. arthh
    arthh 22 December 2022 23: 40
    -6
    And I also want to add - yesterday Putin himself said that the SVO will be completed and the tasks will be completed. There was nothing special about the negotiations, only that the enemy was not planning them.
    1. Plover
      Plover 23 December 2022 00: 06
      +2
      He also said that "we DO NOT refuse negotiations" and constantly blames that it was the Ukrainians who refused. And so we are ready.
  45. iouris
    iouris 22 December 2022 23: 54
    +2
    Quote: "The President of Russia called this air defense system a rather old system, which is inferior even to the S-300 air defense system." End of quote.
    It seems that the president does not take into account the possibility of expanding supplies. At one time, he also imprudently disparagingly spoke about the supply of "Hymars", saying that "this is just" to replace the destroyed Soviet MLRS. And now I want to ask: well, how?
    Isn't this an invitation to Biden to increase supplies? Biden does not want a retaliatory strike against the United States. He "only" seeks the victory of "Ukraine", i.е. "peace".
    1. Sergei Kazarin
      Sergei Kazarin 23 December 2022 02: 57
      +1
      Well, Merkel back in 2014 said that she had lost touch with reality
  46. Shefango
    Shefango 23 December 2022 00: 00
    -1
    The prolongation of the conflict is paramount and archaic. The military-industrial complex in the United States has not yet unfolded, the crisis has not yet been overcome. Therefore, the fighting goes on as it goes. When this happens (the United States will solve its problems in the economy), the conflict will move into another phase. Already in Russia. With the implementation of the Federal Law on evacuation and the activation of disposal standards (mass burials). Laws and regulations have been adopted and will be implemented. This whole game in a sovereign country is a smokescreen over the implementation of the plan that Kissinger (my personal opinion) brought to a meeting with the "guarantor" in the early 2000s. Make a monster out of Russia, start a war, rake Europe under you and finally dunk Russia, or rather its "inconvenient" population. Do you really think that our "state" structures completely controlled by the USA will do something for the country? On upik.de (until it was blocked) it was possible to see what our "government agencies" are like. All completely commerce registered in the states of Oregon, California and so on. I especially touched the SIC code of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation: "PMC. Type of activity: ensuring the security of the United States." Everything. You can ban.
  47. Plover
    Plover 23 December 2022 00: 05
    -2
    So far, "everything is going according to plan." Attention! I formulate the goal: to liberate the entire territory of the LDNR, constantly looking for opportunities for negotiations. If nothing happens by the end of the liberation of the LDNR, freeze everything on the occupied lines. No peace, no war.
  48. Shefango
    Shefango 23 December 2022 00: 26
    +5
    Quote: Plover
    So far, "everything is going according to plan." Attention! I formulate the goal: to liberate the entire territory of the LDNR, constantly looking for opportunities for negotiations. If nothing happens by the end of the liberation of the LDNR, freeze everything on the occupied lines. No peace, no war.

    "Everything according to plan" which no one knows except someone, somewhere and everything is very secret. Personally, my puzzle was formed immediately after leaving Kherson. "Difficult decision..." Yeah, of course. Prince Kurbsky made a difficult decision betraying the sovereign, and the policemen in the Second World War, before becoming policemen, made a difficult decision, both General Vlasov and Penkovsky. And in Stalingrad, no one was allowed to make a "difficult decision", and in Voronezh, and in Brest, and near Kursk, and near Königsberg, and in Berlin. Losses were not afraid. They fought for life and for Truth. Now everything revolves around the bubble. Happy New Year everyone! And also with a new rise in prices, with new taxes, and so on. There is something to fight for.
    1. Alexander Trubitsin
      Alexander Trubitsin 23 December 2022 01: 14
      0
      I completely agree, so that gifts for the new year will probably be sent. And the population has swallowed everything and will accept congratulations on its own skin
      1. Amper
        Amper 24 December 2022 22: 31
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        The people are you and me! Then for the Brotherhood of the End! drinks
  49. Dmitrii
    Dmitrii 23 December 2022 00: 27
    -2
    Quote: Fighter MoreThings
    At least one Hymars clicked?
    Get down on the ground and look at the real state of affairs.
    We are moving hard and at the same time we are winning in armament ... while we are winning

    It's very hard for us to move on without you. The country needs you.
  50. Former soldier
    Former soldier 23 December 2022 00: 46
    -2
    The Russian president named the reason, noting that any intensification of hostilities always and everywhere leads to a significant increase in losses.

    This means that there will be no decisive offensive, at least for the liberation of the Left Bank. All hope for negotiations. Let's wait for the results.
    1. Amper
      Amper 24 December 2022 22: 35
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      Rather, they would be sick of successful rearrangements in the blood. am Bayonets in the ground and "plow the land", there will be no sense in such a war, and everyone needs bread, including cowboys. hi
      r / s The Hague support! love
      1. Former soldier
        Former soldier 25 December 2022 00: 00
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        Rather, they would be sick of successful rearrangements in the blood. am Bayonets in the ground and "plow the land", there will be no sense in such a war, and everyone needs bread, including cowboys. hi
        r / s The Hague support! love

        You have chaotic desires. Especially about Gaga. Look first at the preliminary conditions announced by official Kyiv for the start of negotiations.

        "All hope for negotiations. We will wait for the results.

        My quotation should be understood as follows; - only those who want them have hope for negotiations; - if someone stubbornly wants them on any terms, then we can only wait for how they end. I don't think you'll like the results. Me too.