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"Subsidy Needle": "Big Seven" intends to cover all "urgent" financial needs of Ukraine

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"Subsidy Needle": "Big Seven" intends to cover all "urgent" financial needs of Ukraine

The G2023 countries expressed their readiness to continue covering Ukraine's urgent financial needs. For the transfer to the Kyiv regime in 7, 32 billion dollars have already been allocated from the budgets of the G18 member countries. This amount includes the next funding package from the US, XNUMX billion euros from the EU, as well as loans and grants from individual countries.


In the outgoing 2022, the G7 allocated a comparable amount to finance Ukraine, which, however, was not transferred to Kyiv in full. Questions immediately arose already in Ukraine itself: where is the untransferred part of this significant amount? The G2023 says that in XNUMX funding will be "more rhythmic", and these are actually promises to enable the Kyiv regime to continue not to get off the subsidized "needle". True, we are not talking about gratuitous aid.

The West expressed its readiness to finance the Kyiv regime "as much as needed." The creation of an interdepartmental Coordinating Council of Donors was announced.

The G7 countries also called on Ukraine and the International Monetary Fund to agree on a financing program for 2023.

The GXNUMX countries also stated that the anti-Russian sanctions they have imposed do not apply to food and fertilizers in order to minimize costs and negative consequences for third countries dependent on the supply of products from Russia. However, despite these statements, the export of Russian products is blocked due to restrictions on sea freight. At the same time, Russia continues to fulfill its part of the obligations under the grain deal.
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  1. Orange Bigg
    Orange Bigg 22 December 2022 19: 05
    -2
    . "Subsidy Needle": "Big Seven" intends to cover all "urgent" financial needs of Ukraine


    belay An attraction of unprecedented generosity. Pinch me. I told you that it was necessary to start the NWO with strikes on the chiefs. On the Bank and the General Staff of Ukraine. Otherwise, this is not NWO, but it is not clear what. Tragicomedy.
    1. lucul
      lucul 22 December 2022 19: 08
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      Attraction of unprecedented generosity. Pinch me.

      How much the Zionists say, how much this puppet G-7 will give money to Ukraine, they are all puppets in the hands of world Zionism.
      1. Luka Nord
        Luka Nord 22 December 2022 19: 14
        +1
        Quote: lucul
        Attraction of unprecedented generosity. Pinch me.

        How much the Zionists say, how much this puppet G-7 will give money to Ukraine, they are all puppets in the hands of world Zionism.

        Quiet ..! Otherwise, they will run .. Although it's too late!
        You have opened pandora's box here .. This topic is prohibited on all resources!
        1. zenion
          zenion 22 December 2022 20: 22
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          Luka Nord. If the other country had not fallen, then the first country would not have been bombed. Reminds me of an underpass. Two men are sitting there, in front of them is a hat, both of them have something written on paper. One says give to a Jew who suffered in the war. Another says give to a person who has suffered from the Jews. People pass by and money is poured into the victim of the Jews, the second is a trifle here and there. One compassionate man, after throwing it to the victim from the Jews, went up to the victim of the Jew and said - after all, you are bad. Why don't you change your request so that you get something? A Jew shouts to another victim of the Jews - listen Abram here, this eccentric teaches us how to make money. Do you think that everything that gets into Ukraine will get to the affected Ukrainians? You think something will go to those who shed blood. Do you teach Ukraine how to make money? At least something will definitely not fall into Ukraine, if it does, then it will not be in Ukraine.
        2. maximaniak
          maximaniak 23 December 2022 08: 38
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          Guys, don't open this thread. You are young, playful, everything is easy for you. This is not it. This is not Chikatilo and not even the archives of the special services. It's better not to go here. Seriously, any of you will be sorry. Better close the topic and forget what was written here. I fully understand that this message will cause additional interest, but I want to immediately warn the inquisitive - stop. The rest just won't be found. )))
      2. Revolver
        Revolver 22 December 2022 19: 56
        -2
        Quote: lucul
        they are all puppets in the hands of world Zionism

        No water in the tap again? tongue
    2. Fedor Sokolov
      Fedor Sokolov 22 December 2022 19: 12
      +1
      On the one hand, these gentlemen shower the Kyiv regime with generous monetary "candy", and on the other hand, they suggest that they think about negotiations with Russia. What is there to think? He is not a complete fool, when manna from heaven pours on you, you need to use it as long as possible.
      1. Orange Bigg
        Orange Bigg 22 December 2022 19: 15
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        On the one hand, these gentlemen are showering the Kyiv regime with generous monetary "candy", and on the other hand, they are suggesting that they think about negotiations with Russia.


        And on the other hand, they also remained in the black, since they confiscated more than 300 billion dollars from us that belonged to Russia, and spent only 100 billion dollars on Ukraine. So they are also in the black. This banquet is at our expense.
        1. SKVichyakow
          SKVichyakow 22 December 2022 19: 49
          +1
          Quote from Orange Bigg

          And on the other hand, they also remained in the black, since they confiscated more than 300 billion dollars from us that belonged to Russia, and spent only 100 billion dollars on Ukraine. So they are also in the black. This banquet is at our expense.

          What did they confiscate? Numbers on a computer? You did not ask yourself where the money came from in the country, because before, as it was, "there is no money, but you hold on." And now, under the pressure of sanctions, they are, a lot. I think we just printed at the exchange rate in rubles this amount that fell under the sanctions. And the West can do nothing against us. Remember their statement that they cannot find the 200 billion greens that are under sanctions.
          1. topol717
            topol717 22 December 2022 22: 20
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            Quote: SKVichyakow
            And now, under the pressure of sanctions, they are, a lot. I think we just printed at the exchange rate in rubles this amount that fell under the sanctions

            Did you understand what you wrote? This is the money that is considered a reserve that was in accounts in foreign banks. They cannot be printed. Russia can print only rubles. And that is not the state, but the Central Bank of Russia.
            BUT the money was not confiscated, it was frozen, they are not allowed to use it. Even a banal freeze made a lot of countries think about the "security" of the Western financial system. Therefore, while no one will confiscate. But there's a first time for everything.
            1. SKVichyakow
              SKVichyakow 22 December 2022 22: 51
              +2
              Quote from: topol717
              Did you understand what you wrote? This is the money that is considered a reserve that was in accounts in foreign banks. They cannot be printed. Russia can print only rubles. And that is not the state, but the Central Bank of Russia.

              And I wrote that they printed francs, dollars or euros? In RUSSIAN he wrote "printed at the RUBLE rate." I’ll add for you, at the exchange rate in relation to the ruble. Naturally, not the state, but the Central Bank, I didn’t write what the state printed. I see you did not even understand what I wrote, but commented.
              1. Rustic
                Rustic 22 December 2022 23: 06
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                And I wrote that they printed francs, dollars or euros? In RUSSIAN he wrote "printed at the RUBLE rate." I’ll add for you, at the exchange rate in relation to the ruble. Naturally, not the state, but the Central Bank, I didn’t write what the state printed.
                And what's the point of these printed rubles. The accounts had dollars to buy something in the west. Now they can't buy anything. And who is there, these rubles printed by us are needed even for nothing? Yes, and here they are the same with nothing provided. Oil and gas for which it was paid with those dollars is the same in the same place in the west. Looks like you've heard enough of Nabiulin and Silanov, they say yes, well, they pissed away garbage, nothing terrible. That's just all bullshit for hamsters. Money and goods in the west. And the rubles printed here have nothing to do with them.
                1. Mini Mokik
                  Mini Mokik 23 December 2022 07: 28
                  +1
                  He wrote everything correctly. The Central Bank of the Russian Federation prints rubles instead of selected currencies. Because even under Yeltsin an agreement was signed with the United States - the amount of ruble mass should be equated to the amount of currency owned by the Russian Federation at the rate. Plus minus such an agreement. There is information about this on the Internet. And now the Russian Federation is printing rubles instead of withdrawn (but not completely just for this reason, and not because they are good) dollars.

                  Something like this would be more accurate (not mine) -

                  Since part of the assets of the Central Bank of Russia was arrested, then the American financial model, Russia has the right to no longer comply. I believe that Putin specifically allowed the arrest of part of the assets of our Central Bank in order to get an excuse not to comply with the model created by the US Federal Reserve. Who is not in the know. The entire world financial system is arranged in such a way that not a single Central Bank of the world has the right to print its own currency.

                  Example: you need 100 rubles for the economy, in order to issue them you need to enter the currency (dollar) into the country. How much currency was brought in, how many rubles you can print at the rate. Where to get dollars? On the world market. Need something to sell oil or gas for example. We give oil, gas, us a dollar (a piece of paper that is not backed by anything), at the exchange rate against the dollar, we have the right to print rubles. This model, the US Federal Reserve offered more to Stalin. He sent them away. Therefore, after some time they created a coalition, financed Hitler and sent him to the USSR.

                  Russia was built into this model in the 90s, after the collapse of the USSR.
                  1. Rustic
                    Rustic 23 December 2022 12: 26
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                    Are you suggesting printing a bunch of unsecured paper? And how will this help the economy besides driving up inflation? There is no need to hang all this liberal noodles on the ears with which they are trying to explain their failures. Personally, yes, it is beneficial to them. With this, they will once again rob the population by forcing them to pay for their joint. Nothing else should be expected from this Silyanovo-Nabiulinsky viper.
                  2. topol717
                    topol717 23 December 2022 21: 02
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                    Quote: Mini Mokik
                    The Central Bank of the Russian Federation prints rubles instead of selected currencies. Because even under Yeltsin an agreement was signed with the United States - the amount of ruble mass should be equated to the amount of currency owned by the Russian Federation at the rate.

                    You read some nonsense on the internet. now spread this nonsense further.
                    If you don't understand this, then keep quiet.
                    By the way, all the leading Russian analysts, such as Khazin and Egishyans, simply persuade Mrs. Nabibulina to turn on the machine. And I partly agree with them. But the chief banker is sure that there is no such need yet, and OFZs are selling very well, demand always exceeds the supply of the Ministry of Finance. What money printing are you talking about?
        2. sak1969
          sak1969 22 December 2022 20: 27
          -3
          Quote from Orange Bigg
          On the one hand, these gentlemen are showering the Kyiv regime with generous monetary "candy", and on the other hand, they are suggesting that they think about negotiations with Russia.


          And on the other hand, they also remained in the black, since they confiscated more than 300 billion dollars from us that belonged to Russia, and spent only 100 billion dollars on Ukraine. So they are also in the black. This banquet is at our expense.

          Ukraine can now be compared with a party in a tavern, with breaking dishes. When everything has been paid. In this case, the Russian Federation pays.
      2. Ulan.1812
        Ulan.1812 22 December 2022 19: 26
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        Quote: Fedor Sokolov
        On the one hand, these gentlemen shower the Kyiv regime with generous monetary "candy", and on the other hand, they suggest that they think about negotiations with Russia. What is there to think? He is not a complete fool, when manna from heaven pours on you, you need to use it as long as possible.

        If it's easier, to have time to steal as much as possible - to the kids for milk.
    3. Andrey A
      Andrey A 22 December 2022 19: 31
      -1
      Why should we hurry? - Let them pay, the main thing is that they pay regularly, do not shirk, do not cheat. - Integrity in such cases is the main thing.... We have repeatedly stated that the JI will be brought to an end despite the support of Ukraine by the West.... And let the West ruin itself for now!!!
      1. Orange Bigg
        Orange Bigg 22 December 2022 19: 40
        +1
        Quote: Andrey A
        Why should we hurry? - Let them pay, the main thing is that they pay regularly, do not shirk, do not cheat. - Integrity in such cases is the main thing.... We have repeatedly stated that the JI will be brought to an end despite the support of Ukraine by the West.... And let the West ruin itself for now!!!


        So far, the West is giving our confiscated money to Zelensky.
        1. Andrey A
          Andrey A 23 December 2022 11: 03
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          The West, at the moment, does not give away our frozen money to anyone, so far, these are just wet dreams, nothing more.
      2. Mitia68
        Mitia68 22 December 2022 23: 53
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        And why should we hurry?.... And let the West ruin itself for now!!!

        In this case, in your understanding - ideally, the war will go on until the Western economy collapses under the weight of military spending?!
        1. Andrey A
          Andrey A 23 December 2022 11: 17
          +1
          The Western economy has a lot of problems and the cost of keeping the pants "square" is just one of these problems. Only the rise in energy prices last year alone cost the EU - $1 trillion, this year the losses will be even greater, since our supplies via Nord Stream - 1 are not expected and Europe will have to buy liquefied gas at $2-3 thousand per thousand cubic meters (and not for 300-400 dollars, as we sold them), well, oil prices may unpleasantly surprise our "partners" ... In 2023, perhaps, a new reserve currency will appear under the auspices of the BRICS .... Until recently time, the Americans (and the Europeans as well) covered the deficit of their trade balance by selling colored papers (and Treasuries), now this number is not working: even Washington’s closest allies are getting rid of the dollar (Japan, for example), with the euro everything looks even more unpleasant. ..But, it will only get worse ... Support for Ukraine in just 7 months cost the West - 126 billion dollars (17 billion dollars a month), in a year it will turn out - more than 200 billion dollars?! https://www.vedomosti.ru/economics/articles/2022/10/17/945836-pomosch-zapada-ukraine-dostigla-97-vvp In a few years, this could cost the West a trillion dollars .... Well, ah when the war ends, our military-political leadership decides ...
          1. Mitia68
            Mitia68 23 December 2022 13: 39
            -1
            The Western economy has a lot of problems


            You are all right. But here, unfortunately, the question is as follows - and who will have critical problems in the economy before, for them or for us.

            Europe will have to buy liquefied gas at 2-3 thousand dollars per thousand cubic meters


            Maybe yes, of course, but what if not?
            https://www.profinance.ru/news/2022/12/22/c7pb-tsena-gaza-v-evrope-opustilas-nizhe-1000.html
            The price of gas in Europe fell below $1000
            European gas continues to fall amid mild weather and ample supplies


            Support for Ukraine in just 7 months cost the West - 126 billion dollars (17 billion dollars a month), in a year it will turn out - more than 200 billion dollars?!


            All this is of course true.
            At one time, they spent 300 billion euros just to "rescue" the economy of tiny Greece.
            1. Andrey A
              Andrey A 23 December 2022 19: 23
              +1
              All this is true, but Europe has already spent more than 1 trillion dollars just to overcome the energy crisis, which is much more than Greece was given (and this is just the beginning) ... In addition, do not forget about the sharp reduction in revenue from printing dollars and euros .. Then, we must not forget that the whole of Europe is in debt like silk (like the States) and Greece is an example of how the EU, overstrained, saved tiny Greece from economic collapse, but here, in Spain and Italy, things are, by and large, not at all no better than in Greece, France does not lag behind them (and many others, they all balance on the verge of bankruptcy): there was no money to save them even under normal conditions .... Well. and BRICS stands behind Russia... China's manufacturing sector alone is $12 trillion, while the US has $3,9 trillion, and the EU has $4,5 trillion (the data is somewhat outdated). Those. only China alone produces much more than the US and the EU combined ... That's it, but there is also India, and Brazil, and South Africa, and the Saudis with the emirates, who prefer to be friends with the BRICS, Iran and many others ... Obviously that the West has no chance in an economic war... Absolutely!!!
              1. Mitia68
                Mitia68 23 December 2022 20: 52
                -1
                Well. and behind Russia is BRICS


                I don't understand you here.
                BRICS does not participate in the conflict on our side in any way, preferring basically not to interfere, but to observe and make the most of the situation.
                China and India are just happy to buy our resources cheaply and keep silent.

                But for example, the South African media spoke sharply negatively:
                https://russiancouncil.ru/analytics-and-comments/columns/africa/pozitsiya-yuar-po-ukrainskomu-krizisu/
                After the start of the operation, almost all South African media sharply criticized Russia's actions in the spirit of the general Western mainstream, and the Ukrainian ambassador to South Africa did not leave the screens of the country's main news channels for several days, having, in fact, unlimited access to her statements.


                And Brazil is also good, they have a tricky position, both yours and ours:
                https://www.gazeta.ru/politics/2022/10/31/15706447.shtml
                In an interview with Time magazine, Lula da Silva commented on the fighting in Ukraine - in his opinion, Russian President Vladimir Putin "should not have invaded Ukraine", but the responsibility lies "not only with Putin."
                1. Andrey A
                  Andrey A 24 December 2022 17: 06
                  +1
                  BRICS is not involved in the conflict, it's true. BRICS is not a formal union, but this does not prevent it from supporting the West, but helping Russia ... And so, let me remind you: Iran, strictly speaking, has no allies, but despite the sanctions (imposed by the UN Security Council), shops are full of goods, industry works, oil is exported and everything is covered in chocolate, cars are produced in Iran, which would be impossible without the supply of spare parts ... Formally, the BRICS countries do not support Russia (but do not condemn), but, in Russia, everything is there, the economy is working, oil and gas are sold, everything is OK. And let me remind you: Russia's trade surplus for this year will amount to $260 billion... We are not paying debts now, we are not transferring dividends abroad (which used to take a considerable part of the surplus), our tourists practically do not go abroad ( they don’t leave 50 billion dollars a year there, as it was before) .... So for this and next year we will fully compensate for what the West has stolen from us ... And all this is happening at the expense of the West ... So that everything is OK with us ... And even better !!! As for the South African media, this is, in general, a special topic ...
                  1. Mitia68
                    Mitia68 24 December 2022 21: 53
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                    Iran, strictly speaking, has no allies, but despite the sanctions ... everything is in chocolate


                    Just statistics.
                    Iran's GDP in 2012 - $644bn
                    Iran's GDP in 2020 - $231bn

                    And about the sanctions on Iran.
                    Iran is not banned from selling oil to the EU.
                    Therefore, the EU is now the largest buyer of oil from Iran (35,5%), only China is in second place (24%).
            2. Andrey A
              Andrey A 25 December 2022 12: 23
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              Well, in terms of purchasing power parity, Iran's GDP did not decrease, in 2012 - 1295 billion dollars, in 2022 - 1599 billion dollars. So GDP is only growing and growing well....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Iran#:~:text=GDP.%20%24191%2C7%20billion%20(nominal%2C%202021) .%20%241%2C189%20trln%20(PPP%2C%202021) As for restrictions on the sale of our oil to Europe, we have been selling it all over the world (to India, for example) this year and are selling well.. Oil is in price (like gas, like food, like fertilizers, etc.), so our trade surplus has reached $260 billion this year. This is much more than in previous years (at the same time, we also allowed not to pay our debts, we do not transfer dividends) ... Everything is OK with us ... And it could hardly have been without the support of other BRICS members ... But the situation in the same Germany is much worse and the vice-speaker of the German parliament talks about the threat of bankruptcy in Germany at current gas prices https://1prime.ru/energy/20221225/839298223.html?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop in Germany it is much better than in France, for example, and in France it is much better than in Italy and, especially, in Spain .... What will Europe do if the economy begins to collapse in southern Europe?! To save tiny Greece, extraordinary efforts of the whole of Europe were required, the burghers were almost left without pants, but saving Italy, in which case, especially in the current situation, is simply an unsolvable task ... And all this in the conditions of the beginning deindustrialization of Europe. And the bankruptcy of the backbone of the EU - Germany may also be on the agenda ... So not everything is as beautiful as some would like to see.
    4. Mikhail Maslov
      Mikhail Maslov 22 December 2022 19: 44
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      And how much do they pay you for a "blizzard"? Maybe you will be more modest?
      1. Andrey A
        Andrey A 23 December 2022 11: 40
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        Well, I obviously write and express my opinion for free.
    5. Thrifty
      Thrifty 22 December 2022 20: 28
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      Irange-Bigg is a farce of pure water! Everything is done with the aim of inflicting maximum damage on Russia, and eliminating the maximum possible number of "Ukrainians" in order to then take their lands for themselves.
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    6. Evil543
      Evil543 22 December 2022 21: 52
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      The most interesting thing is that we are members of the IMF. So our money is tekkt for an independent
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  2. spirit
    spirit 22 December 2022 19: 07
    +2
    An ordinary European and an American will pay with their taxes, and big capital that expects to earn on the "Marshall Plan 2.0" will get rich
    1. Alexander Salenko
      Alexander Salenko 22 December 2022 22: 00
      0
      There are spiders in the bank, not only everyone will earn, as the classic says.
    2. Rustic
      Rustic 22 December 2022 23: 11
      -1
      An ordinary European and an American will pay with their taxes
      Well, the Americans will pay. Hold your pocket wider. It is their European slaves who will first pay out of their own, and then again out of their own, but for the candy wrappers printed by the Amer.
  3. dmi.pris1
    dmi.pris1 22 December 2022 19: 13
    +1
    They bought a bulky and heavy suitcase without a handle
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 22 December 2022 21: 28
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      Quote: dmi.pris
      They bought a bulky and heavy suitcase without a handle

      The G7 says that in 2023 funding will be "more rhythmic", and these are actually promises to enable the Kyiv regime to continue not to get off the subsidized "needle".

      Poor stupid Europeans believe that it was they who hooked Ukraine on a "subsidized needle." Haha three times...
      It was Ukraine that stuck to them like a big and insatiable leech.
      The suitcase can be thrown if you muster up the courage. The needle can be pulled out if you get tired of driving glucose through it. But try a leech, shake it off ...
      And if the chief Duremar said to feed that leech, where would Pinocchio go? They will squeeze the last freshly squeezed birch juice out of themselves ...
  4. Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
    Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov 22 December 2022 19: 13
    -2
    The GXNUMX intends to cover all the "urgent" financial needs of Ukraine

    ***
    - "Too many cooks spoil the broth" ...
    ***
  5. Ulan.1812
    Ulan.1812 22 December 2022 19: 23
    0
    Freebie come, freebie come. lol
    Well, there are different countries, but the fact that the whole country is a freeloader will be included in all textbooks.
    1. Rustic
      Rustic 22 December 2022 23: 13
      +2
      Well, there are different countries, but the fact that the whole country is a freeloader will be included in all textbooks.
      And don't speak. The Jews were already weeping with envy. laughing
    2. Ulan.1812
      Ulan.1812 22 December 2022 23: 47
      +1
      Quote: Ulan.1812
      Freebie come, freebie come. lol
      Well, there are different countries, but the fact that the whole country is a freeloader will be included in all textbooks.

      It looks like some freeloader-ukroshumer was offended and gave me a minus.
      It is stupid to be offended by the truth, they themselves have brought the country to such a shameful state, so eat it with a full spoon.
  6. Ghost1
    Ghost1 22 December 2022 19: 26
    +5
    I remember how in the summer there were a lot of commentators that by winter the West would definitely support Ukraine, because they themselves would have problems.
    1. bovi
      bovi 22 December 2022 21: 54
      +1
      So the funny thing about this is that there are still problems and, like Godzilla, new ones peek out from around the corner. J7 is a public hangout where the sitzchairmen of the controlled territories meet. Look at Scholz - he is still in his chair despite the sabotage that is obvious to every German. BUT ... the reality, apparently, is not in who is looming in the chamber on Zh7, but in why they can be forced to voice outright nonsense and at the same time nothing will happen to Scholz from the Germans. Think about it and be horrified - this is the real force of coercion of the "West" - this is the inner core of the "capitalist society".
      The return to "liberalism" in the Russian Federation against the backdrop of such demonstrative coming-outs of the F7 only makes me dumbfounded. "Are they idiots"? Apparently yes.
      1. Mitia68
        Mitia68 22 December 2022 23: 49
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        So the funny thing about this is that there are still problems and, like Godzilla, new ones peek out from around the corner.


        The funny thing is that we are here hoping for the solution of our problems due to the fact that they will have even bigger problems. Like, well, the West will finally rot completely, everything will collapse with them, and even then everything will finally be fine with us.

        That is, it turns out that although we became sovereign, we never got rid of dependence on the West?
        1. bovi
          bovi 23 December 2022 17: 30
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          Quote from Mitia68
          became sovereign

          already? I, apparently, read another TV on the news. The Russian Federation stands in a liberal raskaryake only playing with the muscles of the buttocks. The ohlos are somehow too gullible if they consider everything that the GDP says has already happened. The commander in chief has no financial model to offer to replace the old thieves. Old though in the old way. The population of the Russian Federation does not want to fight for clean hands and does not even ask the GDP to impale. Want something we all want at home, especially under the blue lights of advertising.
          If it works out, then the GDP will carve out autocracy for a narrow circle of people who are still alive. But when it is no longer alive, then what or who guarantees a reasonable attitude towards the West in the Russian Federation? Boyars always want money, preferably for free. They don’t need a revolution, all the more so, the result of which should be the restriction of arbitrariness and the strengthening of autocracy.
  7. evgen1221
    evgen1221 22 December 2022 19: 26
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    Ok, let's consider a possible scenario for squeezing out the Polish part of Ukraine in the spring (they are already building camps for moving only pig-nosed nationality and preparing an army, not to mention the media and politicians). Let's say they squeezed it out, the referendum is all business. And then what? Part of us and God forbid with Odessa, part of the Poles. The war must stop, sort of. Where will Ukraine's debts go? And the fund for the restoration of it? (404 then no). And cherry, what's next guys? With the Russians, they were disgraced .... If the entire collective farm, there are no cheap energy resources and raw materials in principle on the collective farm, they swelled the money and printed it, and it will no longer be possible to spread its inflation around the world. On what to live then miserable. Agricultural land, by the way, is also not enough for Europe, even taking into account the European collective farm squeezed out in Ukraine to feed. Plus, NATO goes directly to the borders of the Russian Federation on a wide front, and in Ukraine there are many who want NATO to fight for them, and there are plenty of weapons and they will not disappear overnight, like pig-faced uprooters. One arrival from their side from a duck offended by the section of the dead and hello NATO attack on the Russian Federation with all the bells and whistles.
    1. Mitia68
      Mitia68 22 December 2022 23: 44
      -1
      Let's consider a possible scenario of extraction in the spring of the Polish part of Ukraine


      Alas, this will not happen, no matter how much our "analysts" would like it.
      Poland absolutely does not need a territory inhabited by millions of Ukrainians.
      Poland is now a mono-ethnic state and they absolutely do not need a multi-million national minority living compactly as part of their state.
      1. Ulan.1812
        Ulan.1812 23 December 2022 00: 18
        +1
        Quote from Mitia68
        Let's consider a possible scenario of extraction in the spring of the Polish part of Ukraine


        Alas, this will not happen, no matter how much our "analysts" would like it.
        Poland absolutely does not need a territory inhabited by millions of Ukrainians.
        Poland is now a mono-ethnic state and they absolutely do not need a multi-million national minority living compactly as part of their state.

        I don't think it's all that clear. The Poles dream of grabbing Eastern kresy.
        Putin has just said a phrase from an analytical note by the Minister of Internal Affairs of the Republic of Ingushetia Durnovo - if you want to lose Ukraine, attach Galicia to it.
        This is probably a clear signal to what extent Russia will go and that we do not need Galicia.
        It must have been heard in Poland as well.
        And by the way, this is consonant with what many VO participants wrote.
        1. Mitia68
          Mitia68 23 December 2022 03: 08
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          The Poles dream of grabbing Eastern kresy.


          Yeah. They sleep right and see how to win them back from Belarus, Ukraine and Lithuania.
          They allegedly just desperately need Novogrudok, Lvov and Vilnius.
          But alas, no.
          Of course, this would be desirable.
          Then we would be able to say with full right - yes, we are not the only ones remaking the borders, you first look at the Poles!

          But alas, the Poles have no such intention, and even our ambassador declares:
          https://rossaprimavera.ru/news/38a4ea29
          Russian Ambassador: Poland has no territorial claims against Ukraine

          Poland has no territorial claims to Ukraine. This was stated by the Russian Ambassador to Warsaw, Sergei Andreev, on March 26 on the air of Solovyov.Live.
          “In the statements of officials, this topic is taboo. No territorial claims, of course, no attempts on the territorial integrity of Ukraine,” Andreev said.
  8. 1razvgod
    1razvgod 22 December 2022 19: 27
    -1
    Leading economists of the world ... They swell a lot of money and funds ... The economy is the basis of war, which means everything will go to strengthen this process
    1. evgen1221
      evgen1221 22 December 2022 19: 46
      +1
      The case, of course, is anecdotal in world history, when its own puppet twists and twists coca as it wants to the country positioning itself as the only superpower on the planet.))) I feel it will be hilarious to read in old age when everything settles down., excuses and excuses of historians on this fact.
      1. Rustic
        Rustic 22 December 2022 23: 23
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        The case, of course, is anecdotal in world history, when its own puppet twists and twists coca as it wants to the country positioning itself as the only superpower on the planet.)))
        And I wouldn't say that for sure. Slap Zelu Amers like pissing 2 fingers. One will be slapped, another will be imprisoned, who will give them everything with giblets for free. Another thing is that while the CBO is going on, this feint cannot be pulled off. So amers have to swell the loot, and for the most part it’s not their own. For if you stop swelling now, then there is a chance that later they will have nothing to grab at all, except perhaps some offal in the form of a zap.ruina.
        1. evgen1221
          evgen1221 23 December 2022 05: 22
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          I disagree, of course they can slap, but even then the stream of compromising evidence will go to the media, and then the canister of the Democratic Party, and then the entire Western bloc, is very bad. After all, jkrnalists will quickly connect the maniacal support of the ukrov by America with the desire to sit in the chair of one old man, and Europe will legally ask, and for this we are cold and we were robbed, yes you are crazy. America's reputation as the leader of the West will crumble. So the can fawns, here is the personal fear of flying off and the Wishlist with the remnants of the Cold War and the megalomania of the Americans and the bonuses from the robbery of Europe and bioweapons and the devil knows what other skeletons in the cabinets will come out to publish compromising evidence. Yes, just one word that he lied to the congressional commission and because of this the can won the elections, this already puts the legitimacy of the usurper of power in the United States and the Democratic Party as a whole in jeopardy.
          1. Rustic
            Rustic 23 December 2022 11: 24
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            Come on, what compromising materials, what journalists. Look, everyone knows who blew up the streams and is now putting Germany in cancer. And nothing, shut up. So here, the journalists, on the contrary, everyone will start screaming at the interruption that Putin personally strangled / stabbed him with his own hands or something. Some psycho will be caught on karaynyak and everything will be attributed to him. They are not used to it.
            1. Mitia68
              Mitia68 23 December 2022 14: 15
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              Vaughn, everyone knows who blew up the flows


              Actually, for example, I don’t know and, in my complete naivety, I am waiting for the end of the investigation of the Swedes (they are investigating, because the explosion was in their economic waterways).
              And everything is already known to everyone! Well, who blew it up?
              Americans? British? Ukrainians? Or the Swedes themselves? Or maybe the Norwegians, they are the main beneficiaries (after the explosion, they became the largest supplier of gas to Europe)?
              1. Rustic
                Rustic 23 December 2022 15: 17
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                Will they search in the same way as Russian submarines? Then they will definitely find and investigate, even if Russia was not even close. They are not used to it.
                1. Mitia68
                  Mitia68 23 December 2022 16: 54
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                  Sorry, you never answered - but who blew it up ?!
                  And according to you, everyone knows this, everyone is aware of it. Tell me please.
                  1. Rustic
                    Rustic 23 December 2022 17: 04
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                    I'll tell you. Anglo-Saxons. I even have irrefutable evidence. But they are secret.
                    1. Mitia68
                      Mitia68 23 December 2022 21: 18
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                      I even have irrefutable evidence. But they are secret.


                      Got it, thanks a lot.
                2. Mitia68
                  Mitia68 23 December 2022 17: 32
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                  Will they search in the same way as Russian submarines?


                  Well, they can be partially understood, among the Swedes such a panicky fear of our submarines began in 1981, when the Soviet S-363 submarine with nuclear torpedoes ran aground off the coast of Sweden.

                  Well, they don’t believe in such a miracle and fantastic Russian gouging that, due to a navigational error, our boat simply got lost and passed through their most difficult fairway only 12 meters wide to their very main naval base (it ran aground 2 km southeast of the base in Karlskrona).

                  But before this incident, our relations with Sweden were very warm - the Swedes even frankly did not give a damn about the American boycott of the Olympics-80 and came to us in Moscow in 1980.
            2. evgen1221
              evgen1221 23 December 2022 15: 05
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              But politicians are not particularly receptive to cries in the media, they have other sources of information.
  9. Oleg Ogorod
    Oleg Ogorod 22 December 2022 19: 54
    -1
    To answer this, Russia needs:
    1. Raise the efficiency of the economy in general;
    2. Raise the efficiency of the military-industrial complex in particular, and, moreover, noticeably in terms of cost and modernity of products;
    3. Raise the effectiveness of the army in general and the effectiveness of command in particular.
    But such cases are not solved with a kandachka ... the human pancake factor.
    However, we need to somehow move in this direction. And not just throwing hats up and shouting cheers.
    1. Rustic
      Rustic 22 December 2022 23: 25
      +1
      However, we need to somehow move in this direction. And not just throwing hats up and shouting cheers.
      And don't you do the same? For all the good and against all the bad. At the same time, without even hinting at least approximately how to do this. Write then and at the same time colonize Alpha Centauri. Well, what, the same will not be superfluous.
  10. Revolver
    Revolver 22 December 2022 19: 54
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    Yes, of course, money is important and necessary, but you can’t eat it. Of course, you can keep warm, but even Musk is not rich enough to heat the stove with cash all winter. And the throughput of transport communications to / from 404 is such that they can’t cope with military transportation, where else can consumer goods be imported? In general, we will see.
  11. alexey_444
    alexey_444 22 December 2022 19: 59
    +1
    Good news, let them pay, the main thing is that it’s not for us, otherwise all sorts of shooters offered to capture the whole hohland, and who would feed the shooters or something. They just don’t understand that next year they will have to pay an order of magnitude more, at such a pace Asia tear them up.
    1. Rustic
      Rustic 22 December 2022 23: 30
      -2
      otherwise all sorts of shooters offered to capture the whole hohland, and who would feed, shooters or something
      So maybe he meant to capture the xohland, but without the hoxls. Such a variant of the norms like. Leave a maximum of 5 most adequate lyams for agricultural work, and the rest will go to Europe with underpants, or for fertilizer.
      1. alexey_444
        alexey_444 23 December 2022 08: 10
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        I agree, but as soon as you kick them out, how many of them return when they find out that houses are being built, they give benefits, they are cunning
        1. Rustic
          Rustic 23 December 2022 12: 33
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          So this is elementary. With what fright, Russia should let people without Russian citizenship into its territory, and even they should have something to do? No, at least on a general basis, with a visa and confirmation of their ability to pay. Well, to obtain citizenship, and even more so ... At least have a permanent place of work, and not anyhow, but where the state benefits, in the same agriculture and work there for at least 5 years. And this is all at best. And according to normal, for citizens of a country waging war against Russia, there should be a multiple reduction in rights and special conditions for supervision. If you don't like it, no one invited you here. For it is actually better to populate the territory with some kind of Tajiks than to allow these swine degenerates to remain.
  12. nellyjuri
    nellyjuri 22 December 2022 20: 46
    +2
    It’s a pity that you can’t track the status of the accounts of cocaisimus, lyuska and Zalupny - that would be a cool reality show.
  13. Petr_Koldunov
    Petr_Koldunov 22 December 2022 21: 00
    +1
    It was not the countries that expressed their readiness - but their heads, most arrogantly seated in these chairs by the States in the XNUMXs and XNUMXs ... just for such purposes.
    1. Rustic
      Rustic 22 December 2022 23: 35
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      Yeah, it's like a prostitute expressed her willingness to extend it even more when the pimp has already been paid for it. laughing
  14. Mitia68
    Mitia68 22 December 2022 23: 30
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    "I tell you frankly - the European Union will unanimously support Ukraine in 2023, morally, financially, politically, and with military assistance"
    EU President Charles Michel
  15. iouris
    iouris 22 December 2022 23: 32
    +1
    Of course, we will print money, but you hang on there. And good mood to you, American Euro-Banderites!
  16. APASUS
    APASUS 23 December 2022 08: 13
    0
    Why these entries and official recognitions, Ukraine has already entered into everything it can (NATO, EU, World Bank, IMF) The question is rather, how will they accustom Ukraine to live on its own?
    1. Mitia68
      Mitia68 23 December 2022 14: 01
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      The question is rather, how will they teach Ukraine to live on its own?


      The Americans will.
      Here, South Korea in 1953 was a backward agricultural country completely destroyed by the war with an illiterate population (the illiteracy rate was as much as 77%!) Without any industry.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 23 December 2022 15: 46
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        Quote from Mitia68
        The Americans will.
        Here, South Korea in 1953 was a backward agricultural country completely destroyed by the war with an illiterate population (the illiteracy rate was as much as 77%!) Without any industry.

        Americans forced?
        In South Korea, society has consolidated on the idea of ​​a good life for their children. A whole generation sacrificed their lives to restore the country. Do you believe in such a concept for Ukraine?
        1. Mitia68
          Mitia68 23 December 2022 16: 48
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          In South Korea, society has consolidated on the idea


          :-)))
          In the South Caucasus, society was not asked about ideas and was not interested in the opinion of society in general.
          From the very beginning, since 1948, there was a tough authoritarian regime.
          In 1948, the Americans put the government of Lee Syng-man on the neck of the Koreans, who for this purpose was specially brought from exile to the United States, where he had lived since 1925.

          Lee Seung-man quickly amended the ROK constitution to allow running for an unlimited number of terms. And he sat as president until 1960, until he was overthrown (Americans became dissatisfied with his passivity and corruption). He then fled to the United States, and the military came to power (with the full consent of the Americans), led by General Pak Chung-hee (a hero of the 1951-53 war, was trained in Japan and the United States). And now he carried out VERY tough liberal economic reforms under the guidance of advisers from the USA (he created a special dictatorial body called the "Supreme Council of National Restructuring", that's where our perestroika comes from!), Created chaebols, received billions of dollars of investments from the USA for all this , helped the Americans with Korean troops in Vietnam, etc.
          At the same time, the state of emergency (restriction of freedom of speech, assembly, prohibition of parties, etc.) has been in continuous operation there since 1951, since the beginning of the Korean War.

          I believe in about such a series of future leaders of Ukraine. I even see an analogue of the war hero general ...