On the Benefits of Conquest for the Conquered

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On the Benefits of Conquest for the Conquered
Companions of Alexander over his body. Frame from the film "Alexander the Great" (2010)



“... let us outwit him so that he does not multiply; otherwise, when there is a war, he will unite with our enemies, and will arm himself against us, and will come out of our land.
Exodus 1: 10

History and culture. Babylon is the greatest city of the ancient world. The city is in mourning, and there is a reason for that: the god-like Alexander, the Hellenic king, conqueror and ruler of the world, is dying. At the bedside of the dying man are his friends-commanders. Behind them are Macedonia, Egypt, Pontus, Bithynia, Pergamon, the Achaean and Aetolian unions. Lands and people, wealth and poverty, caravan routes and trade areas. Temples of the gods and their priests. Soldiers and officials. Warlords have only two questions that they want answered immediately. "To whom are you leaving your kingdom?" - "To the best!" is the short answer. - "Who will be the tomb sacrifice over you?" - "You!" - exhales the king his last word [1]. Then, colliding with each other on the battlefield, all of them will remember these words of his more than once. The era when Alexander's military leaders fought each other for power even received a special name: "The Wars of the Diadochi". And this era lasted until the conquest by Rome in 30 BC. e. Alexandria of Egypt, where Queen Cleopatra ruled ...




Before that, Greece repulsed the invasion of Xerxes, who gathered a huge army ... Frame from the movie "00 Spartans"

And now I would like to note that I really liked the series of articles by our author V. Ryzhov, in which it was just about the wars of the Diadochi that they were told. And he told everything there so well and interestingly that it would be a big disgusting thing for me to get into this topic of his and try to add something to it. However, there are also issues that Valery did not touch on, because they went beyond the scope of his story. And here is one of them, moreover, directly related to the events of today, we will consider.

When in Rome he established his principal in 27 BC. e. Octavian Augustus, neither Macedonia nor Greece as a whole had been independent states for more than a century. In 148 BC. e. Macedonia, and in 146 BC. e. Greece fell under the rule of a young and energetic Rome. And this was no longer the same Greece, whose warriors, like all 300 Spartans who met the Persians at Thermopylae, did not spare their lives, following the “precepts of the Lacedaemonians”.


In the movie "300 Spartans" (1966), King Xerxes is shown as a vindictive but stupid ruler. Although, it is possible that he was just that ...

In the II century BC. e. the ancient Greek historian Polybius (210/200–120), himself a former Greek military leader and son of a strategist of the Achaean Union, having started writing his “General History”, asked himself the question: how did almost the entire world then known fall under the rule of the Romans during some then fifty years? And he found an answer to it, which at the same time became a derogatory criticism of the mores of his contemporaries.

In his opinion, people have deteriorated, selfish interests, greed and money-grubbing, luxury and depravity have become dominant. Corruption seized Hellas to such an extent that the habit of not doing anything to anyone for nothing took root. Polybius denounced the carelessness of officials in charge of public money. But most of all, he was outraged that in Sparta, the heroic Sparta of Leonidas, it was now possible to get royal dignity and genealogy from Hercules for five talents distributed to five ephors.

“In the end, it got to the point,” he wrote, “that they endured almost constant wars and internecine strife, were depressed by very frequent redistribution of property and exiles, tasted the most hated slavery and even the tyranny of Nabis.”

And these were the same Greeks who had previously denounced tyranny and tyrants. And the Boeotians, according to Polybius, were so discouraged that they completely indulged in gluttony and drunkenness, and did not participate at all in the wars of other states, preferring to pay off both their own and other people's money. And many of them feasted so often that ... they had more meals than there were days in the month [2].


The same tunics, the same shields, the same cloaks dyed with expensive purple paint, the same helmets of Chalcis. That's when the first uniform began to appear

But the most striking changes that occurred with the Hellenes towards the end of the XNUMXrd - beginning of the XNUMXnd century BC. e., demonstrates the fate of the Athenians. Herodotus describes them as courageous, strong-willed, self-sacrifice citizens. In his opinion, the Hellenes withstood the fight against the Persians only thanks to their courage. Thucydides, a younger contemporary of Herodotus, speaks of them as those who know no other pleasure than doing their duty. In his opinion, nature itself intended the Athenians to ensure that they themselves did not have peace and did not give it to others.

Such characteristics are no longer found in Polybius. The Athenians of his day retained nothing of the glory and valor of their ancestors. They preferred to grovel before the kings of Macedonia and Egypt, who brought them bread and, most importantly, provided them with spectacles. They did not want to defend the freedom of Hellas on the battlefield, and they could not, since they had forgotten how to fight properly. And the independence they achieved in 229 B.C. e., the Athenians simply bought for 150 talents that were paid to Diogenes, the head of the Macedonian garrisons in Attica. Having returned their freedom in such a shameful way, according to Polybius, the Athenians rejoiced, and Diogenes was bestowed with many honors: he received both the rights of an Athenian citizen and the title of “benefactor”, and, finally, annual festivities were even established in his honor - Diogenes.


The main weapons the Spartans were precisely the spear! Frame from the movie "300 Spartans" (1966)

That is, now the Athenians, like all other Greeks, preferred to buy the freedom of their homeland for money. And they did not want to sacrifice their lives for her sake on the battlefields at all. The times of the heroes who forged the greatness and glory of Athens, Sparta, Thebes are gone without a return. Now in the first place they had the interests of ordinary inhabitants, who wanted only comfort, a calm and well-fed life, and material prosperity.

This was a potential threat to the ethnic group, to civilization, about which A. Tolstoy wrote in the same novel Aelita:

“The golden age was degenerating, in the cities of Atlantis satiety set in. Nothing held back a more unbridled fantasy, a thirst for perversion, the madness of a devastated mind.


As soon as the generals in the military camp began to "have fun with the girls", this became the first sign that society would sooner or later become corrupted and die from satiety and all sorts of excesses. Frame from the movie "Ducky" (1966)

After all, in the event of a collision with a young people full of strength and energy, the Greeks would inevitably be defeated. And when from the end of the III century BC. e. the Romans first entered the land of Hellas, the confrontation between these two peoples went exactly according to this scenario. And why be surprised, because it has become a country of quiet and passive inhabitants, where, as E. Bickerman wrote,

“it is easier to obey one ruler than to participate in the democratic government of the state; it is easier to bribe a judge than to convince a jury; it is easier to pay for the maintenance of the army than to serve in it yourself; it is easier to indulge in pleasant idleness in the bath than to train in the gymnasium; it is easier to watch sports than to participate in them yourself; it is easier to hope for some kind of magical cure than to follow a reasonable regimen; it is easier to laugh at some farce than to follow, let alone reflect on, the plot of a tragedy; it is easier to believe in your salvation than to analyze a philosophical argument and then act in accordance with the results of this analysis.

Such Hellas became an easy prey for Rome, which is not at all surprising!

By the way, all this, if not fully, then at least partially concerns us. And our present position. Love for a "strong hand", elections and re-elections of the same elective institutions at all levels ... "Russian peppers" that pot-bellied men so love to watch, lying on the couch. Kashpirovsky with passes from the screen and his charged water, the mass obsession of Russians with the treatment of their own urine, the dominance of "amoebic thinking" - "I was pricked, well, I'll prick in response too" - all this is not good at all. And we can only console ourselves with the fact that, precisely because of natural-geographical reasons, this has not yet gone so far in our country. What is someone with all this ... even worse!


And the Roman said, “Open the gate! Before you are the rulers of the world!”

Now it becomes clear why the majority of researchers, not only foreign, but also domestic, considered the conquest of Hellas by Rome to be a blessing, and first of all for the Greeks themselves. So, V.V. Latyshev writes that the relics of the Aetolian Union prevented

“General demoralization, the weakening of the moral and material forces of the Greek people and innate particularism (the desire for isolation), which constantly supported disagreements and strife between individual states, made it much more tolerable for the Hellenes to submit to Macedonian or later Roman power than to their fellow tribesmen [3]. »

Historian Yu. V. Andreev believes that the state of chronic "war of all against all", in which the Greek world was then, ceased only with the arrival of the Romans. So it turns out that the Roman conquerors in the full sense of the word "saved the Greeks from themselves." For G. A. Koshelenko it is obvious that

"The relative unity of Hellas came only after its subordination to the great Rome, that is, to a force external to the world of Hellenism itself [4]."


And the leader of the Dacians replied: “Not yet! Fight us first!"

That is why the statement, which appeared in the middle of the II century BC. e., quoted by Polybius: "We wouldn't be saved if we weren't quickly crushed» [5] spread so widely. It was short, succinct, and... extremely accurate in describing the current situation.

And now a little about why this happened. At that time, the existence of genes was not even suspected, but they tried to ensure that the most daring, strong and others went to war - with the “+” sign. People who were unhealthy, cowardly, "on their own minds", that is, with the opposite sign, tried to avoid war, although they supplied the combatants with provisions, weapons, ships ... Such people were also needed, no one argues. But the first ones basically died rather quickly and did not have time to multiply, which means they could pass on their “plus” qualities to their children. But no one and nothing prevented the reproduction of all others. And while the heroes paved the road to Babylon for the same Alexander the Great with their bones, they successfully passed on their views and their morality to their children. Women have always contributed their share of "anti-heroism". Still, being the wife of a living man is much more pleasant than entertaining yourself with an ivory phallus - a gift from a spouse who left to fight, and so on from a trip to his native Attica and did not return.

So it was the victorious wars of the Greeks that caused their unfortunate situation at the turn of the millennium, and then the once mighty and great Rome would also suffer their fate.

Centuries have passed, but only today, in the XNUMXst century, wars have finally begun to acquire precisely the character when the concepts of “victory” and “defeat” are decisive, both in the distant and not very distant past. That is, no matter how beautiful words military operations of the XX-XXI centuries. people didn’t cover up, there is only one reasonable goal of the war - the destruction of the enemy’s passionate gene pool in order to ensure the survival of the most prudent, tolerant and ... not prone to aggression people. Why, for example, neither we nor the Americans can put an end to the "caliphate" in northern Iraq? Not enough, bombs, planes, soldiers, or ... no one really wants to destroy it? Without a doubt, the latter. And all because he, like a vacuum cleaner, draws in all the radicals of the Muslim world, from whom they themselves are a continuous loss, and there ... there they die and do not multiply! So the main damage is not the destroyed plants and factories, they can be rebuilt, but the dead people (good people!), who left no offspring. Accordingly, the destruction of enemy soldiers, men capable of reproduction, is the primary task of the current level of hostilities, and everything else will be added to this over time. Moreover, the citizens of the defeated state, if it professes a misanthropic ideology, only benefit from their own defeat. The defeat of the USSR by fascist Germany would have been a catastrophe, because then the immoral ideology of fascism would have won. And vice versa - the defeat of Nazi Germany became a blessing for her, despite all the sacrifices suffered by the German people. However, we also got it: after all, how many worthy people died among us, while the “not quite worthy” quietly sat in the rear, and the same captured Bandera saved their genes from destruction ... in Siberian camps. There, of course, there was also no sanatorium, but the bullets and shells tearing the flesh to pieces still did not whistle. And remembering this and understanding all this is very, very important today!


Here is all that remains of the former courage of Sparta - a stone slab and these lines engraved on it: “Traveler, go and tell our citizens in Lacedaemon that here, observing our covenants, we all died with bones". Frame from the movie "300 Spartans"

1. Quoted. ed.: Diodorus Siculus. Historical Library / Per. from ancient Greek M.E. Sergienko. http://fanread.ru/book/10858833/?page=235, 2012
2. Quoted. hereinafter according to the ed.: Polybius. General history / Per. and com. F.G. Mishchenko. M., 2004. Part 1. S. 5-6
3. Latyshev V.V. Essay on Greek antiquities. Part 2. S. 311
4. Koshelenko G.A. Greece in the Hellenistic Era // Hellenism: Economics, Politics, Culture / Ed. E.S. Golubtsova. M., 1990. S. 143
5. Quoted. by: Polybius. General history / Per. and com. F.G. Mishchenko
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  1. +7
    25 December 2022 05: 51
    The idea is not new - the vector of development of society is determined by the quantity and quality of discomfort in society. When there is nothing to eat - battles for the harvest begin, when it floods - they begin to build dams, when the enemy comes - everyone goes to war. And in any case, there will be those who will try to adapt, and those who will lay down their lives for the benefit of their fellow tribesmen. But the main thing is that at this moment everyone will have a thinker - someone is better, someone worse, but everyone. And when nishtyaks are dumped by trucks to the global consumer society, society becomes dumber both as a society and its individuals individually. Nature, however, laid a fuse in the genetic program - an experiment was somehow carried out under the telling names - "mouse paradise" in which mice were created ALL conditions for an ideal life, so they stopped breeding in the fourth generation. Like this. So, as Dr. Aibolit sang, it’s very good that we feel very bad ...
    1. +7
      25 December 2022 06: 16
      Quote: Leader_Barmaleev
      the vector of development of society is determined by the quantity and quality of discomfort in society.

      Karasho said, zhigit sovsem!
      1. +8
        25 December 2022 13: 13
        Vyacheslav Olegovich, you made a grammatical error!
        Not "sovsem", but "savsem" should be written.
        wassat )))
        Good day to all good people! drinks )))
        1. +5
          25 December 2022 14: 02
          Not "sovsem", but "savsem" should be written.
          Good afternoon, Lyudmila Yakovlevna! Well, how does Vyacheslav know the Caucasian accent?
          1. +3
            25 December 2022 16: 33
            how does Vyacheslav know the Caucasian accent?

            How from where? From the movies!
            For example, "Prisoner of the Caucasus", there Saakhov is like that ... And also Vyacheslav Olegovich - a noble traveler in Abkhazia, even got into natural disasters there.
            1. ANB
              +3
              25 December 2022 17: 18
              . For example, "Prisoner of the Caucasus", there Saakhov is like that ... And also Vyacheslav Olegovich - a noble traveler in Abkhazia,

              How to say. Saahov was played by a Jew, and in Sukhum I did not meet a single Abkhazian who spoke Russian with an accent.
              1. +3
                25 December 2022 21: 31
                Saahova was played by a Jew,
                Played great. And there was also a Jewish film actor - Lev Sverdlin. He played the Uzbek in the film "Nasreddin in Bukhara" so accurately that you can't dig. And his last role was the role of Budyonny in "The Elusive". Semyon Mikhailovich turned out to be somewhat overweight, but the episode was also played beautifully. A real artist can play anyone.
            2. +5
              25 December 2022 21: 26
              How from where? From the movies!
              The movie is great, but still made a slight mistake, and you corrected it. As for the accent, I studied at the institute together with Arkashka Baghdasaryan, so until the age of 7 he did not know a word of Russian at all. When I went to the first grade (in the Kuban), the teacher of the Russian language set the pronunciation for him in such a way that there was not the slightest accent. His relatives had it, but he didn't.
        2. +2
          25 December 2022 15: 52
          Colleagues, then have a cheerful day to all cheerful people laughing
    2. +1
      25 December 2022 13: 24
      Quote: Leader_Barmaleev
      And when the society of global consumption nishtyaki truck dumped-society becomes dumber and as a society, and its individuals separately.

      Society and individuals are degrading, the birth rate is falling. But after the abolition of "serfdom" in Russia, the population only grew and grew by leaps and bounds

      An increase of 108%, which is impressive !!!
      1. 0
        7 February 2023 07: 40
        But judging by the conclusions made by the author, Russia only benefited from the Mongol invasion, and therefore the best friend of the Russian is the Mongol. By the fact that society got rid of the violent who did not know how to obey.
    3. +2
      25 December 2022 16: 48
      I’m not sure if in a well-fed America the army is much better in my opinion than in a hungry union, I managed to catch the end of the Soviet army in the ranks, and now there are a lot of friends from the KMP, obviously the difference is not in favor of the thick Soviet ensign
    4. +4
      25 December 2022 16: 57
      And yet, from 2005 to 2008, I served in Georgia as a military instructor, and so in a country that is not rich by all standards, very bad soldiers, well, quite right ... honestly, the morale is bad. And in 1998-2000, I also saw enough in the Abkhazian war, but the Abkhazians are not poorer for sure. No, there are more complex mechanisms
      1. +4
        26 December 2022 16: 20
        The mechanisms are complex and highly non-linear. But attempts to simplify lead to such incorrect conclusions. But even specialized scientists cannot describe them, what can we say about commentators on the Internet (including us).
    5. 0
      26 December 2022 20: 06
      And when the society of global consumption nishtyaki truck dumped-society becomes dumber and as a society, and its individuals separately.


      In today's consumer society, competition such as in war, in the United States, the "rat race to success" begins at birth and all life is a "struggle". Of course, there are those who go with the flow and, as you say, “get dumb”, but everything is saturated with the idea of ​​“success”.
    6. 0
      1 February 2023 15: 29
      Quote: Leader_Barmaleev
      an experiment was somehow conducted under the telling names - "mouse paradise" in which mice were created ALL conditions for an ideal life, so they stopped breeding in the fourth generation. Like this.

      *Sighs* Another apology for the "beneficence of suffering*. Of course, as always plus or minus, the apologists for "people must suffer" this very "medicine" (suffering) "for some reason" "generously prescribes" to other people. Not to themselves.
      The notorious experiment "universe-25". Which is used as a "justification for the concept". So. There is a big difference between laboratory mice and humans. And, one of the critical parts of this difference in this case is that mice (these are the very tailed animals - representatives of the order of rodents) are biologically "not able" to live in groups of more than 1 (one) adult male. They are generally solitary in nature. Groups are an exception. But even when they are formed (they always form in mice according to the principle of 1 male - several females), it is impossible for mice to live together in such groups of several adult males. Actually, because the creation of "greenhouse conditions" for mice at first caused ... an explosive growth in numbers. So far, crowding (precisely crowding) has not led to the breakdown of biological mechanisms. And for the reason described above.
      Conduct such an experiment with rats (by the way, animals from the same detachment of Georgians) and the rat colony will not have any such problems. They will happily breed as long as there is food and physically a place to live.
      ----------------------
      Actually, the notorious "consumer society" does not in any way prevent those who WANT to engage in self-development, or work for the development of the whole society, to do just that.
      The roads of self-development and public good are open to those who wish to follow them (these very roads).
  2. +10
    25 December 2022 06: 13
    Unexpected work from Vyacheslav!
    There is something to dispute on particular points, but in general I will take a break for now - I need to comprehend the article. Especially the reasons for writing it by the Author.
    All the good days!
  3. +3
    25 December 2022 06: 26
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!

    One of the theses of the article is the development of the position of the New Testament:

    Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth
  4. +8
    25 December 2022 06: 34
    The article confirms another thesis - barbarians are ruined by luxury and comfort after conquering richer and, say, developed societies.
    And the Greeks were barbarians against the backdrop of the Persians
  5. +7
    25 December 2022 06: 37
    My grandmother, an old Cossack woman, said, "The people are getting smaller. Soon seven people will be chopping a rooster." Something like this...
    1. +2
      25 December 2022 06: 49
      Well, your grandmother was a bit wrong. In 1977, while at work in the village, a duck's head was chopped off together. Me and wife. I pulled her head back and chopped it off, and she held on. When the head remained in my hands, the neck was wrapped back and the blood fountained. Therefore, she left her and she began to run quite successfully around the yard, sprinkling it with her blood. Then I already held my neck ...
      1. +6
        25 December 2022 09: 29
        Quote: kalibr
        the duck's head was chopped off together.

        Vyacheslav Olegovich, she is hung on a special brace, the wings are fastened, something like a large home-made pin, and arteries are cut through the beak with a sharp knife. So with the whole bird, it’s extremely inconvenient for one, especially if it’s a goose or a turkey, 10 kilograms.))) Here you just need to know how it’s done and that’s it, slaughter technologies for many millennia, I think, have not changed much.
        1. +5
          25 December 2022 09: 57
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          Alexey

          Well, Alexey... Who would tell me that? For the first time in my life I saw a live duck ... And the villagers EVERYTHING chopped in that village that way! Then I immediately got used to sticking my head into a mug and collecting blood. We made black pudding and stew with her.
          1. +10
            25 December 2022 11: 37
            Quote: kalibr
            I saw a live duck for the first time in my life...

            Oh Vyacheslav Olegovich, I ended up in the village after 30, otherwise I was a city dweller. The first pig was beaten and gutted according to the book, the pig on the right, the book on the left.))) And nothing happened. As for poultry, I kept broilers and I had to beat them with the "flow-conveyor method", and that's how I learned. In general, the bird turned out to be an unexpectedly interesting thing.))) They kept a gray crow, the children repulsed the cat, so after a week she barked the cat like a dog so that she wouldn’t go to her room. Toward autumn, I caught a young goshawk in the chicken coop, hunted my chickens, the choice was small, either roll his head, or leave it to himself. I left and did not regret it, an extremely interesting bird. Now I am mastering the difficult craft of a falconer.))) The glove is already flying from twenty meters, but it's a pity there is not enough time. I love the village, now you can’t lure me into the city.)))
            1. +2
              25 December 2022 12: 07
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              Nothing will lure me into the city now.

              For me, the village is my dacha. The only place where I don't use my head. And another camp site with a pool by the sea ...
        2. 0
          26 December 2022 23: 30
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          it is extremely inconvenient for one, especially if it is a goose or a turkey, a kilogram per 10

          The simplest option is to cut off the tip of the fire bucket to make a hole three fingers wide. A rooster or a turkey's head is there, it is cut off and the bucket is placed in the usual one so that the blood is glass.
          A trick from a veterinary academy student - the head is cut as close to the skull as possible, the longer the neck, the better, since its weight is part of the carcass. The ideal hit is if the "patch" of the base of the turkey skull remains on the neck. In this case, the bird turns off and does not rock the boat.
          Demolition of the head of a standing turkey is already ... in general, the chicken breeder was surprised. But the bird didn't run either.
      2. +3
        25 December 2022 12: 20
        My grandfather was not very fond of blood and for this reason he simply pierced the neck of chickens. The blood went down, the chicken weakened. And everything...
    2. +6
      25 December 2022 07: 19
      Or another option: “They can’t finish a bucket of borscht.”
  6. +15
    25 December 2022 06: 49
    I want to note right away that such a film "Alexander the Great" filmed in 2010, as the author of the article writes here, does not exist "in nature" at all. In 2010 there is a film "Young Alexander the Great" filmed.
    I also want to note to the author that if you write about history and refer to American films in such an article, then this is ridiculous and naive! If you take the 300 Spartans you mentioned here, then, for example, the film "300 Spartans" directed by Zack Snyder is nothing more than a spit in the soul of the Iranians. Their national hero Xerxes is presented in the film as some kind of freak, the ambassador of Persia is for some reason a black man, and Xerxes' troops consist of monsters that the Greeks cut with courage. This is how the American director shows the national hero of the Iranians Xerxes.
    It can be assumed that if the director of the film "300 Spartans" undertook to create a film about our canonized hero Alexander Nevsky, showing him and our entire country in the same light as Xerxes and Iran, then in such a film the noble Germans wish to bring true faith to the wild Russian lands inhabited by cruel barbarians with Mongolian features! And what is this story???
    1. +3
      25 December 2022 07: 22
      Until I crossed the line to watch Spartans, Troy. "Alexander the Great" can and will look.

      There is some perception of events. And I don’t want to break it with the pop of today. Maybe not right.
      1. +7
        25 December 2022 07: 50
        Quote from Korsar4
        Spartans", "Troy". "Alexandra

        For an amateur, Sergey, for an amateur. Hollywood films on this subject from the fifties and sixties are better, the right word! In my opinion. hi
        1. +5
          25 December 2022 08: 11
          I agree, Seryozha. While the gaps and fill in the films of this period. Not very persistent.
      2. 0
        26 December 2022 23: 33
        Quote from Korsar4
        "Troy"

        An illustration of how not to make films! In the close-ups of the duels, the actors' hands are not strained, as the swords were painted on by a computer at the request of the insurance company. In the 1960s, duels were filmed with blunt swords, and the sound of blades was added during voice acting. But Soviet actors were taught "stage swordsmanship", but American ones are not taught.
    2. +6
      25 December 2022 07: 44
      It can be assumed that if the director of the film "300 Spartans" undertook to create a film about our canonized hero Alexander Nevsky, showing him and our entire country in the same light

      There are already similar “film frills”. I'm watching the latest episode of Vikings. Dada don't know whether to laugh or cry. After the first season, albeit not historical, but reliable from the point of view of life, religion and military affairs. Everything else is "spiritual dissonance" for a person who knows history a little.
      However, everyone got there, but the Moscow army of the era of "Ivan III" transferred during the time of "Prince Oleg" is tough !!!
      About the criticism of the slaves of Vyacheslav, I will say in defense of the Author. Alas, the format of "participants" especially "combat hamsters" requires a picture! Where to get them? Therefore, the journalists of the History section are spinning like snakes in a frying pan.
      If you don't do it yourself, the editor will do it for you. And there, as God sends. Just today and yesterday, in the title illustrations for the news block, I saw three “blunders”.
    3. +8
      25 December 2022 07: 48
      Quote: north 2
      directed by Zack Snyder is nothing but a spit in the soul of the Iranians.

      He was also accused of homophobia and racism. bully But you probably shouldn’t take this tape seriously. After all? Zach shot it based on ... comics! Which explains a lot. * Smile gentlemen, smile! * laughing
      Good morning everyone!

      Words from an interview with the director of the film. bully
    4. +1
      25 December 2022 07: 59
      Quote: north 2
      I also want to note to the author that if you write about history and refer to American films in such an article, then this is ridiculous and naive! If you take the 300 Spartans you mentioned here, then, for example, the film "300 Spartans" directed by Zack Snyder is nothing more than a spit in the soul of the Iranians. Their national hero Xerxes is presented in the film as some kind of freak, the ambassador of Persia is for some reason a black man, and Xerxes' troops consist of monsters that the Greeks cut with courage. This is how the American director shows the national hero of the Iranians Xerxes

      Did you read the article? Where are the links to the movies? Pictures are not links. These are illustrations of the appearance of people of that time, better shown or worse. I personally do not care at all in whose garden who spat there. I do not understand the merits and historicism of these films in this case. Xerxes is mentioned because it is simply striking and nothing more. But the funny thing is that there is NOT A SINGLE SHOT from Zach's movie in the movie. Not a single one, your respected awareness ... I write all the time: BEFORE YOU TAKE A COMMENT, THINK G-O-L-O-V-O-Y and look on the Internet for the sake of interest! Please remember! References to historical sources in the text are indicated by numbers in square brackets.
    5. +7
      25 December 2022 09: 21
      Quote: north 2
      If you take the 300 Spartans you mentioned here, then, for example, the film "300 Spartans" directed by Zack Snyder

      Yet a completely different film and a different director is mentioned. Rudolf Mathe.
    6. Fat
      +8
      25 December 2022 10: 08
      hi
      Quote: north 2
      I want to note right away that such a film "Alexander the Great" filmed in 2010, as the author of the article writes here, does not exist "in nature" at all. In 2010 there is a film "Young Alexander the Great" filmed.

      I can also notice that it was A. Chumak who charged the water with passes from the screen, and not Kashpirovsky. Nevertheless, the thought is quite understandable, Kashpirovsky also made a mark on TV, and more aggressively ... smile
      Staged shots from films are used solely as illustrations, and only because genuine film and photo documents of that era have not survived to this day, at least such finds have not yet been reported. Nevertheless, the development of archeology is such that sooner or later video evidence of Alexander's (Iskander's) campaign to the east will be discovered. wassat drinks
      Thanks Vitas good cheered up. laughing
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  7. +8
    25 December 2022 08: 07
    The purpose of the article is clear.
    Sooner or later civilization will die. And again young, evil wolves will come and tear her to shreds.
    The whole history of mankind confirms this.
    The author did not have the courage to draw parallels with today's events, but oh well, everything is clear.
    The state must primarily blame itself for the huge number of deviationists. This applies not only to Russia.
    If mass culture makes youth heroes, and presidents of tiktokers, rappers and stand-up artists, then the result is appropriate.
    If a young man is told on TV that if a bully hit you, then you don’t need to surrender, but run to the police and write a statement, and the law enforcement agencies will figure it out.
    If a house is on fire, and young healthy guys, instead of putting it out, stand and shoot it all on the phone and post it all on the Internet with the appropriate comments.
    That's the almost complete degradation of the nation.
    But the fish rots from the head, and again here history confirms this.
    The "collective west" is paying off, but this will not save it either.
    And the pernicious influence of liberalism came to us from there, and this is nothing but a process of decay.
    "Trust in God, but do not make a mistake yourself" (c)
    1. +7
      25 December 2022 08: 17
      Sometimes firefighters stand and watch as the building burns down.

      The masculine principle nevertheless manifests itself - and is tempered by situations where there is a choice. Only some situations - in megacities, others - in small towns.
      1. +8
        25 December 2022 08: 40
        A firefighter can assess the stage of a fire, that's one thing. And I wrote about something else.
        And yet, I don’t treat all young people with the same brush.
        I'm talking about those whom the media makes antiheroes, but in fact they are constantly being talked about.
        1. +6
          25 December 2022 08: 48
          Who are the anti-heroes now?
          The word "tolerance" is interpreted in different ways.

          And the information space is filled with what we fill it with. Or we want to fill.
          1. +7
            25 December 2022 09: 06
            Quote from Korsar4
            The word "tolerance" is interpreted in different ways.

            If tolerance does not go to extremes. An end in itself. I have nothing against * minorities *. Nothing at all. I treat with understanding. But! I am frankly against dictate on their part. What do I mean? The same extremes that have become an end in itself. *Parent number one*,*Parent number two*,*You are white, so you owe us*,*I'm a mother!*, and so on, so on, so on.
            With regards to phone filming? Someone shoots, and someone just goes into the fire, ice water and just saves people. No questions asked. Like before.
            1. +6
              25 December 2022 09: 13
              Seryozha, have you encountered your parents by numbers in your life? It didn't reach me.

              It's funny that one lazy student was given three African countries for the topic on settlement work. So they tried to accuse me of racism. But this is an unsuccessful attempt to push to pass the test faster.
              1. +7
                25 December 2022 09: 29
                Quote from Korsar4
                Seryozha, have you encountered your parents by numbers in your life? It didn't reach me.

                No. I didn’t come across it. It’s funny that this information was in our media. Thank God it was not confirmed. The conversation there was in particular about the USA, France and Great Britain. But do you know who will guarantee that this will not happen tomorrow?
                1. +7
                  25 December 2022 09: 38
                  So I agree with Prince Florizel that you will not get information from newspapers.
                  1. +7
                    25 December 2022 10: 15
                    Quote from Korsar4
                    that you won't get information from newspapers.

                    Oh Sergey!!!
                    That's really really ... puzzled!
                    Honestly. Frankly. As in spirit.
                    I forgot when I last bought a newspaper! A great printed word. laughing
                    Quote from Korsar4
                    you won't get

                    All from * news * sites, in particular RIA * News *. hi
                    1. +5
                      25 December 2022 11: 33
                      It's just that newspapers have gone electronic.

                      I take them when they are handed out on the plane.
              2. +5
                25 December 2022 10: 18
                Quote from Korsar4
                So they tried to accuse me of racism. H

                An Afro-Russian works at my *factory*. A great guy, he calls himself Maksimka. laughing
                1. +4
                  25 December 2022 11: 35
                  Master student - Indian - newsmaker of the last year.
                  Although for himself he did not find an answer to the question - why did he end up here. But he sings well.
            2. Fat
              +7
              25 December 2022 10: 38
              hi Greetings, Sergey!
              Quote: ArchiPhil
              If tolerance does not go to extremes. An end in itself.

              TOLERANCE (from Latin tolerantia - patience) -..1) the immunological state of the body, in which it is unable to synthesize antibodies in response to the introduction of a certain antigen while maintaining immune reactivity to other antigens. The problem of tolerance matters in organ and tissue transplantation
              2) The ability of the body to endure the adverse effects of a particular environmental factor
              3) Tolerance for other people's opinions, beliefs, behavior.
              Academic Dictionary.
              Thus, tolerance is a multifaceted concept.
              My son-in-law used to say to me over a glass of tea: “Andrey, you have an increased tolerance for alcohol, you won’t save enough for you” (2) ...
              I showed tolerance (3) and did not try to beat him. That was a long time ago smile
              1. +3
                25 December 2022 11: 11
                Quote: Thick
                Greetings, Sergey!

                Greetings Borisych!
                So I am wholeheartedly for versatility. But? If it is not included in the personal space of another person.
                Quote: Thick
                That was a long time ago

                Here I am too .... * dry law * announced for myself. Until the 31st. It's been three months already. laughing
              2. +4
                25 December 2022 11: 36
                More often through the second paragraph of the definition I perceive this concept. professional deformation.
            3. +1
              26 December 2022 23: 37
              Quote: ArchiPhil
              I have nothing against * minorities *. In general

              The topic of "minorities" in the Russian Federation distracts the population from real problems. No one thinks that it is possible not to go to a gay parade, but it is much more difficult to protect yourself from huge VAT, extortions in the FIU, all sorts of "licensings".
          2. +7
            25 December 2022 09: 06
            Tolerance is generally a medical term and it is not applicable to society.
            You can dispute - your right.
            The information space is filled not by "us", it is filled against your will and you only think that you influence something.
            Shpakovsky portrayed attempts in articles regarding influence on
            manipulation of the consciousness of society.
            It was just baby talk.
            Who thinks or thinks what he thinks, I strongly recommend the book by Sergei Georgievich Kara-Murza.
            The book is difficult, and this is natural. and the question is archi difficult!
            Serge - hello!
            hi
            1. +4
              25 December 2022 09: 17
              Sometimes the term "tolerance" is used as a synonym for "stability". Disagree with this.

              Any system (and society, of course, a system) develops according to similar laws. Cybernetics did not appear by chance.

              Is our exchange of remarks a contribution to the information space? Or inspired by someone?

              Thank you for mentioning the book. Put on the delayed list.
              1. +6
                25 December 2022 09: 34
                Tolerance is the attitude of the body to something foreign.
                Society can be called an organism, but it develops according to other laws.
                Society either accepts something "foreign" or rejects it. Having accepted something "foreign", it usually dies. What is the article about. The healthy part of society understands this and fights to the best of its ability, but here I am writing that society lives according to different laws than a living organism.
                Our, here, cabal does not affect the information space. So, an outlet to channel private opinions - yes. Estimate how many constants are here - that's all.
                The fact that our comments are being studied and analyzed is not a fortune teller, but the conclusions !!! We will never know about them.
                1. +5
                  25 December 2022 09: 42
                  Yes, that is right. Forum branch - a kind of club. By the way, the club principle often manifests itself in working situations.

                  Society does not consist of one organism. So I wouldn't compare. There may be stability of an individual, there may be stability of a community. Accordingly, this is a different level of hierarchy.
                  1. +5
                    25 December 2022 09: 56
                    Since we are comparing society and a living organism, a simple example:
                    - liver, kidneys, heart and general gastrointestinal tract, central nervous system "I want Esentuki!"
                    - the brain "Viskary, or something to roll ?!"
                    And now the question is, who do you think will win?
                    1. +9
                      25 December 2022 10: 17
                      Wallet and discipline.
                      Remember the episode from The Godfather. The doctor warns Nino Valenti not to drink.

                      And so: a strong desire wins. And the one who makes the decision.
                      1. +5
                        25 December 2022 11: 15
                        So all my comments are only about this.
                        They will not ask us.
                        Elections are a screen for democracy.
                      2. +4
                        25 December 2022 11: 30
                        Of course.

                        The funny thing is that on the way to work part-time I go to the Red and White alcohol store. He's on his way. I buy tea. After the previous conversation, I thought about Essentuki. Didn't take it. Whiskey, too, left alone.
                      3. +4
                        25 December 2022 12: 05
                        This is to the question of the benefits or harms of communication wink
                      4. +4
                        25 December 2022 13: 20
                        "Essentuki", of course, would be an indicator of benefit.
                      5. +3
                        25 December 2022 14: 05
                        "Essentuki" is an indicator of health disorder.
                      6. +3
                        25 December 2022 14: 39
                        Don't know. In summer, any mineral water is good to drink.
                        Is tea an indicator of pastime?
                      7. +3
                        25 December 2022 14: 45
                        Everything depends on the company.
                        Tea is a source of strength.
                      8. +4
                        25 December 2022 15: 17
                        From the Treatise on Tea:

                        The first cup moistens my lips and throat, The second destroys loneliness, The third examines my dry insides to find in them thousands and five volumes of strange signs; The fourth cup causes a slight perspiration - all the sorrows of life go through the pores; With the fifth cup I feel cleansed, The sixth takes me to the realm of the immortals, The seventh - ah, but I can no longer. I feel only the breath of a cool wind that rises in my sleeves. Where is Khoraisan? Let me fly there on the wings of a light wind.
                      9. +3
                        25 December 2022 15: 25
                        From the strength of 2 cups I can master drinks
                        Tea is not vodka - you don’t drink much.
                      10. 0
                        25 December 2022 16: 45
                        You can drink a lot.

                        No matter how tea plantations attack tropical forests.
                      11. +1
                        25 December 2022 17: 03
                        There must be something wrong with the body. I don't drink much tea.
                        The men in the bathhouse are whipping thermoses, and I am no more than a mug.
                        But I respect good tea.
                        Bring me a box of pu-erh tea as a gift 5-6 years ago - I still drink
                      12. Fat
                        +3
                        25 December 2022 17: 30
                        Quote: ee2100
                        Bring me a box of pu-erh tea as a gift 5-6 years ago - I still drink

                        Pu-erh properly brewed, especially elite - very good. good drink, you can use three revitalizations with boiling water with different effects smile Thermoses in the bath "tea" are whipped just like a multifaceted "inexpensive energy drink" ...
                        "Tea is not vodka lot don't drink here lot - means "excess"does not fit smile
                        However, everyone has their own practice. wink
                        PS... The reserves of pu-erh in the stores of the youngest of the sisters were worn out in 2 weeks. This is not because pu-erh is a tea for all teas, but because it is real and tasty and a rival to mediocre coffee. In addition, drinking pu-erh in the company, you begin to understand that this is no worse than the rituals of "smoking" tobacco ... Yes
                      13. +3
                        25 December 2022 17: 33
                        Now I'm drinking. Very decent.
                        And pu-erh is for the company.
                      14. +2
                        25 December 2022 23: 59
                        I brought tea from China a couple of times - I remember it. And the passage through the tea rows is a separate pleasure.
                      15. 0
                        26 December 2022 23: 39
                        Quote: ee2100
                        "Essentuki" is an indicator of health disorder.

                        Cycling marathon runners will not agree with you, replenishing the salt balance is a necessary thing.
          3. +5
            25 December 2022 09: 21
            Quote from Korsar4
            Who are the anti-heroes now?

            Nuuu. Questions also arise for the characters. For those. Some. bully
            Quote from Korsar4
            And the information space is filled with what we fill it with. Or we want to fill.

            No. I do not agree. We have only the right to accept or not. To believe or not. However, these are eternal questions.
            1. +5
              25 December 2022 09: 43
              Often we see only what we want or are able to see.

              It happens that dirt does not stick to a clean person.
    2. +4
      25 December 2022 08: 29
      Finally, an adequate comment from Alexander... Well, thanks!
    3. +7
      25 December 2022 10: 22
      Quote: ee2100
      And the pernicious influence of liberalism came to us from there

      I can't stand that word! Liberalism itself, as a relative concept, why is it bad? To a certain extent, both Marx and Lenin were also liberals.))) Liberal economy is a completely different concept.
      Quote: ee2100
      The author did not have the courage to draw parallels with today's events, but oh well, everything is clear.

      So he did it))) intentionally, unintentionally, I don’t know, but whoever needs it understands.
      Quote: ee2100
      The state should blame itself first of all...

      Much has been written. This is the case in all capitalist states today. The ideology of capitalism is, "money is the most important thing", "you die today, and I will die tomorrow", etc. etc. And all the efforts of Mr. Matvienko, Khinshteinov and others on the state ideology will not lead to anything, only the stratification in society will increase even more. "But Jesus, knowing their thoughts, said to them, Every kingdom divided against itself shall be laid waste; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand." Mt: 12:25-25. Alternatives to this are also well known, two recipes in total. Patterns of one underestimated Austrian artist and Lenin's way, nothing else has been invented yet. Personally, I prefer the second way. I'm afraid that very soon we will all face a very difficult choice, whether we like it all or not.
      1. +3
        25 December 2022 11: 10
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        To a certain extent both Marx and Lenin were also liberals.

        And even very liberal. But you will forgive this Alexander, he is a bit of that on Kara-Murza ... so he sometimes brings it up. However, not his alone, but others, and without "Murza"!
      2. +4
        25 December 2022 11: 11
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        "But Jesus, knowing their thoughts, said to them, Every kingdom divided against itself shall be laid waste; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand." Mt: 12:25-25.

        ++++++++++++++++++++
      3. +4
        25 December 2022 11: 11
        "In itself, liberalism, as a relative concept, why is it bad?" (c)
        The bad thing is that if we live in a democratic society, then there is no point in talking about any liberalism.
        One contradicts the other.
        Here, as they say, either a cross or cowards.
        And the fact that you will soon have to decide or do according to your choice is not far off.
        Now all the countries of Europe and not only, including the Russian Federation, in chess terms are in zugzwang.
        There are two exits for everyone.
        Raise the paws or clean the board and start a new batch.
        1. +1
          25 December 2022 18: 34
          Quote: ee2100
          The bad thing is that if we live in a democratic society, then there is no point in talking about any liberalism.
          One contradicts the other.
          Here, as they say, either a cross or cowards.

          If we roughly understand what liberalism (?), then what is a "democratic society"? Here we immediately come to a standstill.))) Because democracy does not exist in its pure form. There was Athenian democracy, there was democracy under a feudal society, there is bourgeois democracy, there is democracy and democratic centralism in Marxist parties, all this is democracy and it is very different.))) And liberalism is exactly the same. It's just that it's hardly appropriate to use formal logic here. Let's try to remember the liberal Stalinist tax code of 1936, try to compare it with Khruchevsky or Brezhnev, then look at the country's economic successes, we will see a big difference. In terms of personal freedoms, before the pre-war years, personal freedoms in the USSR were much greater than in developed capitalist states, with the only caveat, strange to most people. Again, liberalism.)))
          Quote: ee2100
          And the fact that you will soon have to decide or do according to your choice is not far off.

          Yes, 23 or next, unfortunately.
          Quote: ee2100
          There are two exits for everyone.
          Raise the paws or clean the board and start a new batch.

          It is not very clear how it is to "clear the board and start a new game"?
    4. Fat
      +4
      25 December 2022 15: 52
      hi Greetings, Alexander.
      Quote: ee2100
      The purpose of the article is clear.

      Still unwritten songs, how many?
      Say, cuckoo, drink.
      In the city I live or on the settlements,
      To lay a stone or burn a star?
      A star.
      My sun, look at me -
      My palm has turned into a fist
      And if there is gunpowder - give fire.
      Like this...
      Who will follow the trail of the lonely one?
      Strong and bold heads laid down in the field in battle.
      Few have remained in fond memory
      In a sober mind and with a firm hand in the ranks, in the ranks.
      .....
      Where are you now, free will?
      With whom are you meeting the gentle dawn now?
      Answer.
      Good with you, but bad without you,
      Head and shoulders patient under the whip, under the whip.
      My sun, look at me -
      My palm has turned into a fist
      And if there is gunpowder - give fire.
      Like this...

      drinks
      1. +1
        25 December 2022 16: 05
        Good afternoon!
        Which side would Choi be on now?
        Vaughn Makarevich what the right songs he sang wink
        I remember one interview from the beginning of the XNUMXs, where he was asked about his position and connection with his lyrics.
        He said they were just songs.
        So this will become opportunistic. It seems that he touched on the topic, but about nothing.
        A propagandist with reduced social responsibility.
        Liberal to the bone marrow.
        1. Fat
          +3
          25 December 2022 16: 32
          I find it difficult to even guess. But I don't like the way A. Nevzorov's beliefs were transformed. Obviously, sometimes the point of view of a media person who has left the focus of attention due to lack of demand can change dramatically.
          smile
          Tsoi simply did not have time to "change shoes" even once smile
          1. +1
            25 December 2022 16: 48
            I respect different beliefs, well, opinions, but with regards to Nevzorov, when he was driving for 600 seconds, in one of the programs he made such an appeal, a car was stolen from a respected person
            Better return, otherwise it will be worse.
            Then it was already for sale.
            1. Fat
              +1
              26 December 2022 00: 55
              Today they say to someone: "Goodbye!" Tomorrow they will say: "Goodbye forever!" A heart wound heals.
              Tomorrow someone, returning home, Will find their cities in ruins, Someone will fall off a high crane. Look after yourself, be careful! Watch yourself! Look after yourself, be careful! Watch yourself!
              Tomorrow someone in the morning in bed Will understand that he is ill incurably, Someone, leaving the house, will be hit by a car.
              Tomorrow somewhere in one of the hospitals The hand of a young surgeon will tremble, Someone in the forest will run into a mine. Look after yourself, be careful! Watch yourself!
              Look after yourself, be careful! Watch yourself! At night, a plane flew over us, Tomorrow it will fall into the ocean, All passengers will die. Tomorrow somewhere, who knows where? War, epidemic, snowstorm, black holes in space... Take care of yourself, be careful! Watch yourself! (WITH)
              Attacks on the VO website are expected, but on users, specifically - wildness)))
  8. +5
    25 December 2022 09: 09
    In the movie "300 Spartans" (1966), King Xerxes is shown as a vindictive but stupid ruler.


    Very debatable. Xerxes in this film is smart, ironic and charismatic. He is not like a goblin, as in the recent historical fantasy "300".
    Basically, he got it all. The Athenians punished, burned Athens and returned safely with an army and booty to his native Persia.
    He certainly wasn't stupid.
    1. +6
      25 December 2022 10: 24
      Quote: Illanatol
      Basically, he got it all. The Athenians punished, burned Athens and returned safely with an army and booty to his native Persia.

      By the way, yes.
  9. +3
    25 December 2022 09: 18
    And all because he, like a vacuum cleaner, draws in all the radicals of the Muslim world, from whom they themselves are a continuous loss, and there ... there they die and do not multiply! So the main damage is not the destroyed plants and factories, they can be rebuilt, but the dead people (good people!), who left no offspring. Accordingly, the destruction of enemy soldiers, men capable of reproduction, is the primary task of the current level of hostilities, and everything else will be added to this over time.


    The thesis, in general, is correct, but it is stated not quite consistently. It can be understood that the radicals of the Muslim world are good people who are being destroyed by the evil Russians and Americans. laughing
    Yes, first of all, it is necessary to destroy the "people of action" of the enemy society - passionaries and subpassionaries. However, a more effective method is to try to make sure that there are as few of them as possible in the society of the "probable enemy", by purposefully influencing the existence of their society by the methods of the so-called. sociotronics and everything that comes with it.

    Well, in general, the methodology of the SVO is correctly stated. True, we do not pull on "Rome", two Greeces are fighting - we are the one that is bigger.
    1. +2
      25 December 2022 10: 03
      Quote: Illanatol
      However, a more efficient method is to try to do so

      And how to do it?
      1. +4
        25 December 2022 13: 15
        Quote: kalibr
        And how to do it?


        When did the USSR begin to lose the Cold War?
        Then, when the Soviet youth began to chase after imported clothes and get carried away with Western militants, they began to consider domestic crap and listen to Western "voices".
        What the West called "the erosion of socialism."
        In short, it is better to use aggression in the spiritual sphere, to impose your ideas and values, to instill inferiority complexes in foreign youth.
        And then you can win not just a victory: you can make yesterday's opponents your junior partners.
        You don’t have to go far for examples.
        1. 0
          25 December 2022 16: 13
          Quote: Illanatol
          Then, when the Soviet youth began to chase after imported clothes and get carried away with Western militants, they began to consider domestic crap and listen to Western "voices".

          And why did this happen? From the wind from the west? Or was there something inside...
    2. 0
      25 December 2022 10: 06
      Quote: Illanatol
      The thesis, in general, is correct,

      The main thing is that it is true in general, and it is impossible to count individual controversial particulars ...
  10. +2
    25 December 2022 09: 21
    Quote: ee2100
    Sooner or later civilization will die. And again young, evil wolves will come and tear her to shreds.
    The whole history of mankind confirms this.


    They won't come. There are no young bad wolves in the world today. So, an imitation of the ISIS type.
    1. +3
      25 December 2022 09: 36
      When you are devoured, you won't even feel it.
      And you will be that these are not wolves, but by chance!
      Joke. drinks
      Today there are few of them, and tomorrow ... who knows
      1. +3
        25 December 2022 13: 19
        Quote: ee2100
        When you are devoured, you won't even feel it.


        There are no wolves in our time, there are well-trained dogs that obey their masters.
        We must beware of these owners, not dogs.
        The world is much more manageable today than it was 1000 or 2000 years ago. And there are no more dark corners from which unfamiliar "young wolves" can jump out.
        Unless they fly from Sirius, but that's another story...
        1. +2
          25 December 2022 13: 25
          They also thought 1000 and 2000 years ago that the world is more manageable.
          Human nature does not change.
          Homo homini lupus est!
          1. +1
            26 December 2022 09: 52
            Quote: ee2100
            They also thought 1000 and 2000 years ago that the world is more manageable.
            Human nature does not change.


            And they thought right. The world gradually became more predictable and manageable. Progress, however.

            The nature of man does not change, but man himself is determined not only by nature. And over the past 2000 years, some changes in human nature have nevertheless occurred.

            The Romans, adding up the proverb, judged first of all about themselves. Volkov was insulted by comparison with himself.
            Since the manners in the wolf pack are somewhat different than what the ignorant inhabitants imagine. According to the observations of ethologists, wolves have both solidarity and care for the elderly and altruism even when it is to the benefit of the pack as a whole.
            1. Fat
              0
              26 December 2022 10: 45
              Quote: Illanatol
              The Romans, adding up the proverb, judged first of all about themselves. Volkov was insulted by comparison with himself.

              Greetings. Here I agree. But perhaps the Latins looked at the wolf pack in much the same way as you submit? The she-wolf put Romulus and Remus on their feet (according to legend)
  11. +4
    25 December 2022 09: 35
    When in Rome principal established in 27 BC. e. Octavian August

    Yet Octavian established the principleт. A principleл it's you or me when we conclude an agreement with a publisher))))
    As for the main message of the article, then ... too late!
    Yes. In the old days, if some developed European country came to some wilderness and established its own rules, then this could be a boon. Some kind of civil administration, education, culture appeared. Hospitals were being built, roads and other infrastructure making life better. There were, of course, disgusting things, as, for example, in the Congo, but basically everything was more or less blissful.
    I don't know for better or for worse, but those days are long gone. The White Sahibs no longer organize civil society. Now they just bomb, then take what they need, not at all caring about what will happen to the natives.
    1. +2
      25 December 2022 10: 05
      Quote: Senior Sailor
      Yet Octavian established the principate. A principal

      And where only correctors look ...
      1. +5
        25 December 2022 10: 17
        Quote: kalibr
        And where only correctors look ...

        They make sure that the participants do not swear like small children))
        1. 0
          25 December 2022 11: 15
          Quote: Senior Sailor
          They make sure that the participants do not swear like small children))

          That's it from you, colleague, this was not expected. Moderators are watching...
      2. +5
        25 December 2022 10: 41
        I recalled an old joke
        The primitive tribe killed the mammoth.
        - "We all gathered together, dragging to the camp" - shouted one.
        So the first commander appeared
        - "First of all, feed all women and children," shouted the second.
        So the first political officer appeared.
        And in the morning the mammoth disappeared ...
        So the first ensign appeared.
        1. +1
          26 December 2022 08: 55
          Before the last paragraph: "put the rest of the meat in an ice cave!" - said the third. So the first quartermaster appeared.
    2. 0
      25 December 2022 16: 04
      Quote: Senior Sailor
      Yes. In the old days, if some developed European country came to some wilderness

      Jack London wrote about this well in his story "Atu their atu"
  12. +2
    25 December 2022 10: 18
    The defeat of the USSR by Nazi Germany would be a disaster

    The author is right about the genes, but with one single caveat: what is the ultimate goal of the enemy at the end of the war?
    If the ultimate goals imply the presence of a population, then everything is OK, if not .. There is no population - there is no one to transfer genes to.
  13. +2
    25 December 2022 10: 28
    It's good that we haven't turned into the world of "diogenes" yet. Smoothly goes to it. Sad, but true. hi
  14. +5
    25 December 2022 10: 39
    Another clumsy attempt by the author to squeeze into the super-dense ranks of Russian propagandists, where the people are already suffocating from crowding.
    What attracts you there so much, Vyacheslav Olegovich? Okay, I would understand if you "gave out" some new, creative idea. But on "decoration" in the frame of historical events of propaganda clichés worn to holes, designed to convince the ohlos that "everything is going according to plan," neither fame nor money can be acquired.
    Yes, and the "frame" you got a curve. There is no criterion to determine when the conquest is useful for the conquered, and when it is vice versa. Therefore, it is not clear from a historical perspective whether, for example, the Tatar-Mongol yoke was useful for Rus' or, as official history claims, not very much.
    And you somehow kept silent about the fate of the "beneficial" conquerors. And if history is interpreted according to the principle "this is to play, this is not to play, there is a greasy spot here, they wrapped the fish," this is no longer history.
    1. +2
      25 December 2022 11: 03
      Quote from Passeur
      What attracts you there so much, Vyacheslav Olegovich?

      Viktor Nikolaevich! It attracts me ... here I was walking through the city, there was a stream of consciousness ... I thought, why not write. Phrases began to spin in my head, began to take shape in words. The words are remembered. The volume has developed. Literature was revered at home. It turned out well, "sat down" and wrote. And it was printed, as you can see, and commented on well. So what are you talking about? You are accustomed in the Soviet manner to believe that "a poet in Russia is more than a poet" and he should burn the "verb of people's hearts." What is Ehrenburg, and if you can’t reach him, then what the hell. Now it is different: many steps, many strata. Someone and mare bride. And the masses can't write like that. And someone writes better, well, God bless him, and someone worse - well, to hell with him. This is how it was for me: there was a mood, an opinion was written. Change the mood - change the mind. It is important that the amount of the fee does not change - this is the main thing. And why should I write about everything? You need you and write, but I don’t care about everything that I kept silent about, and what I don’t care about - fell on paper. These are my "customs" and "cockroaches in the attic." You don't need to come up with new ideas. New old people will not understand! The easiest way, of course, is to write in one sentence that everyone who is not with you and your tribe must be killed. But you can't write like that. This is not the spirit of the day. Not tolerant!
      1. +2
        25 December 2022 11: 30
        Are you accustomed to, in the Soviet style, to believe that "a poet in Russia is more than a poet" and he should burn the "verb of people's hearts"

        And where in my commentary did I classify you as a "poet" and made the appropriate demands? I was just interested in what attracts you today to the field of a propagandist, in which you successfully "gathered into granaries" in "soviet" times. But today nothing shines on her "children of Lieutenant Schmidt". The version about the mood is unconvincing.
        Yes, and among the "cockroaches" you have some kind of confusion. The question "And why should I write about everything?" clearly does not fit with your creative range in all nine octaves.
        As for home reading of literature in order to draw analogies with the present and the near future, I recommend The Short Victorious War, by David Weber. Suddenly, in your super-dense creative schedule, look for an opportunity, you will find a lot of interesting things.
        1. +2
          25 December 2022 12: 09
          Quote from Passeur
          clearly does not fit with your creative range in all nine octaves.

          So I'm a normal person, I can not write about something. People are made of contradictions, didn't you know that. ? Only the tombstone is consistent!
          Thanks for the suggestion. But I have already read this book.
          It's all in the first chapter of "The Roots of war"...
          1. +1
            25 December 2022 12: 13
            Probably the most futile thing in the world is to accurately define human character. All people are woven from contradictions, and the most capable of them even more so.

            Theodor Dreiser. "Financier".
            1. +2
              25 December 2022 13: 27
              At one time, Dreiser liked this book most of all.
            2. -1
              25 December 2022 15: 54
              Quote from Passeur
              All people are woven from contradictions, and the most capable of them even more so.

              What subtle flattery...
          2. +1
            25 December 2022 13: 00
            But I have already read this book.

            This is the wrong book and the wrong author.
            1. -1
              25 December 2022 15: 55
              Quote from Passeur
              But I have already read this book.

              This is the wrong book and the wrong author.

              I'm not blind, but this one is no worse!
          3. +2
            25 December 2022 15: 47
            So I'm a normal person

            Quite possible. I have another question - are you sincere at least in front of yourself?
            1. 0
              25 December 2022 15: 57
              Quote from Passeur
              Are you sincere at least in front of yourself?

              Are you smart when, when you sleep or when you speak in VO? The rules of the site speak unambiguously and do not allow interpretations: the article is being discussed, not the author. The fact that it is sometimes allowed does not mean that it is always possible for everyone. Explained clearly?
              1. +4
                25 December 2022 16: 35
                Well it started! As soon as you find yourself in an "interesting position", an appeal to the rules of the site begins. This is not the first time. Should I teach you? Complain to the administration and I will be banned again. What is the problem? The question is - will it help you to be sincere at least with yourself? After all, we are already at the age when it is worth thinking about the soul. They will ask there. And the option "complain to the site administration" is not provided there. After all, you like to quote biblical texts, you could delve into it. So you didn't explain anything. For explanations, try to diversify the comments.
                1. Fat
                  +1
                  25 December 2022 18: 23
                  hi Viktor Nikolaevich, Vyacheslav Olegovich. These "options of imaginary confrontation" do not work for me. If VikNik has a library comparable in size to the "Vatican cellars" - this is compensated by the reluctance to write articles.
                  IN. strives to share everything he has learned and seen himself, and Passeur, like a stingy knight, sorts through treasures alone and by candlelight, sometimes showing fragments of "hidden" knowledge To stung another commentator ... or author.
                  Such an erudite as Passeur cannot somehow correspond to the principle. wassat
                  1. 0
                    25 December 2022 19: 40
                    Do not dramatize the situation. There is no "opposition". At least from my side. As for the "desire to share", if you insist, I can answer in a personal. But the answer for you may be, shall we say, unexpected.
                    1. 0
                      25 December 2022 20: 18
                      Quote from Passeur
                      But the answer for you may be, shall we say, unexpected.

                      Does he know that you are the Count of Montecristo in disguise?
                      1. Fat
                        +1
                        26 December 2022 01: 32
                        Why? We find out, or we don’t find out, it’s either a conductor, or perhaps a smuggler ... in translation ...
                        I hope Passier will write to me in a personal about his motivation, of course, if the ill-wishers do not bang the correspondence)))
                    2. The comment was deleted.
                  2. -1
                    25 December 2022 19: 49
                    Quote: Thick
                    Pestrikov Andrey Borisovich

                    "Po ..." - the ending is not included in the censorship words - I don’t love. Yes, and no one loves.
                2. -1
                  25 December 2022 19: 40
                  Quote from Passeur
                  Complain to the administration and I will be banned again.

                  What for? An extra vote, an extra click, I just wanted to remind you that there are others here besides me. Why should I complain and cut up a chicken that lays golden eggs so well. But... rules are rules. It was not I who compiled them, but a simple polite reminder that you yourself, like a notebook ... are substituted for their action. And if you are pleased to shove your bare ass on a hedgehog - please. I don’t even put minuses, let alone complain ... why? Everything will work without me...
                  1. Fat
                    +1
                    26 December 2022 01: 44
                    Oh no. Your pragmatism is only a small part of the motivation...
                    One way or another, everyone is waiting for approval, and a small, and a very wise, old specialist ...
                    I am very glad that you find the opportunity to communicate with the "content creators")))
                3. 0
                  25 December 2022 19: 44
                  Quote from Passeur
                  "interesting position"

                  Am I falling? In my opinion, you are trying to put me in it with your questions. And what for? Add me comments, this can be done in another way.
                  Quote from Passeur
                  For explanations, try to diversify the comments.

                  I really don't like pompous phrases...
                4. 0
                  25 December 2022 19: 45
                  Quote from Passeur
                  The question is - will it help you to be sincere at least with yourself?

                  Are you interested in spiritual striptease or have you retrained as a psychotherapist?
                  1. 0
                    25 December 2022 20: 19
                    retrained as a psychotherapist

                    Yes, what a psychotherapist with me. Rather, the pathologist is an amateur.
      2. 0
        27 December 2022 16: 02
        Quote: kalibr
        This is how it was for me: there was a mood, an opinion was written. Change the mood - change the mind. It is important that the amount of the fee does not change - this is the main thing.

        In this phrase, the whole Shpakovsky. It is amazing that the mass of MO regulars applaud him. laughing
  15. +3
    25 December 2022 11: 25
    There is one conclusion.
    The brave ones will lay down their heads, and the Duma members from Edra, who have fallen away from the NWO, will continue to rule. and oligarchs.
    As can be seen from the LDNR. The Russian Spring did it, and then EDRO kicked her out with behind-the-scenes games.
    And now in the news they reward each other, PR, and feast outside the front line ...
    1. +2
      25 December 2022 12: 16
      Quote: Max1995
      The brave will lay down their heads

      Alexei Tolstoy has a wonderful story "The Viper" on this subject...
  16. +2
    25 December 2022 13: 29
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    To a certain extent both Marx and Lenin were also liberals.


    They were not liberals. Liberals put the interests of the individual above all else, while Marx and Lenin put class values ​​above everything else.

    Rather, they were physiocrats, they considered society as an organism (and the class of exploiters - as parasites, worms in the organism of society).
    1. +1
      25 December 2022 15: 59
      Quote: Illanatol
      Liberals put the interests of the individual above all else, while Marx and Lenin

      Well, when they drank Rhenish and cohabited with women out of wedlock, they put their personal interests above all else, they didn’t care about all other classes.
      1. +1
        26 December 2022 09: 34
        Quote: kalibr
        Well, when they drank Rhenish and cohabited with women out of wedlock, they put their personal interests above all else, they didn’t care about all other classes.



        If they didn't give a damn about the other classes, they would find themselves a more peaceful and safer occupation (I'm talking about Ilyich) than revolutionary activity.
        Business, advocacy, writing (politically neutral topics). All in chocolate and less consumption of nerve cells.

        Flies separately, cutlets separately. Personal life is one thing, professional activity is another song.

        Until Apollo demands the poet to the sacred lyre,
        this poet runs around the girls and gulps moonshine in one gulp.
        1. Fat
          0
          26 December 2022 15: 15
          Quote: Illanatol
          Until Apollo demands the poet to the sacred lyre,
          this poet runs around the girls and gulps moonshine in one gulp.

          Oh! awesome and true and evil!
          So everyone shut up? Duc, I'm trembling, al have the right?))))))
          At the "Agora" you will be taught to drink yada ...
  17. +4
    25 December 2022 13: 32
    After reading the article to the end, I could not believe my eyes - Shpakovsky! But as a witness of the sect of his name, it perked up and beat with a hoof - we live!
    Already at the beginning of the article experienced a culture shock:
    Polybius denounced the carelessness of officials in charge of public money. But most of all, he was outraged that in Sparta, the heroic Sparta of Leonidas, it was now possible to get royal dignity and genealogy from Hercules for five talents distributed to five ephors.

    In general, twice wassat wassat )))
    That means where the roots grow from!
    I remember that back in the 90s, a line of deputies of the State Duma lined up for Mr. Zakatov, the secretary of the Russian Imperial House, to receive genealogical trees. Well, not from Hercules, of course, because even the magician Zakatov is inaccessible, but from Rurik - easily! However, the greatest demand was for trees from the Petrine era, they sold like hot cakes!
    1. +3
      25 December 2022 14: 43
      Do not forget the doctors to point out the life-giving effect of Vyacheslav Olegovich's articles.
      And according to genealogy: Krylov has a fable about geese, whose ancestors saved Rome.
      1. +2
        25 December 2022 16: 40
        Sergei, do not force me to read the fable - unknown! Meaning: do not chop off the heads of geese, because the forward detachments of bloggers always have something to guffaw and save from whom? Well, or at least remind you that consumables in the form of passionaries are not endless?
        1. +1
          25 December 2022 16: 43
          Surely she came across, Lyudmila Yakovlevna:

          “Where can we, Geese, be more unfortunate to find?
          The man pushes us around like that,
          And we, as if simple Geese, are driving us;
          And this ignoramus does not understand this,
          That he owes us respect;
          That we are leading our noble family from those Geese,
          To whom Rome once owed salvation:
          There are even holidays in their honor established! —
          “And what do you want to be distinguished for?”
          A passer-by asked them. - "Yes, our ancestors ..." - "I know
          And I read everything: but I want to know
          How much benefit have you brought? —
          “Yes, our ancestors saved Rome!” —
          ‎"That's right, what did you do?" —
          "We? Nothing!" “So what is good in you?
          Leave your ancestors alone:
          In fact, they also had honor;
          And you, friends, are only fit for roasting.
          1. +3
            25 December 2022 16: 57
            Well, here it is - the thought is so deep that I drowned in it. But, floundering, she swam out.
            Fleur! The veil of the greatness of the ancients, to which you are involved by birth at least on paper, decorates and makes attractive even the most worthless physiognomy. But in digital times, everything fades quickly, the flair fades, and paper confirms greatness and is useful only when it is an action.
            If not, you're roast on the table.
            1. +1
              26 December 2022 00: 04
              Paper can be both a good book and a blank slate. Both of these have some value.
            2. Fat
              +1
              26 December 2022 11: 32
              Consider how much more complicated things were in the days of papyri and codices on parchment. Paper made people idiots (not abusive, idiot means special) Figure... Estimate. my paper library is about 700 "volumes" (I flattered myself, everything is half buried by friends) and a 600 mb disk is already 20 ... and it's easier to share ...
              And you are "paper" ... Paper is indispensable if it is pipifax and that is, there are options))))
  18. +3
    25 December 2022 13: 33
    The idea is interesting, but here it is necessary to make a reservation that there can be benefits only when the conquering side is more technically and culturally developed than the one that was conquered. That is, when he can give something to the conquered that they themselves do not have - more just laws, a better standard of living, more developed science, medicine, culture, etc.
    1. +2
      25 December 2022 17: 22
      Oh, Andrey! How does life refute your statement, seemingly true. The "white man's burden" seems to be true only for himself, it is a burden for the receiving party as well. Saklya is quickly replaced by a palace, and the mentality is replaced by long centuries and is essentially inescapable. There is no limit to him, just as there is no gratitude to the one who brings the palace instead of sakli (medicine, education, technology). The new generations of the beneficent do not remember who the benefactor is. And then a question from the newcomers to the conqueror: what are you doing here on our land? Palace, you say, where the yurt used to be? This is how our ancestors built it. And you, "white", - after all, you took something in return, didn't you?
      The memory of mankind is short and does not know gratitude. What the article says.
      1. +1
        25 December 2022 18: 16
        So what kind of gratitude did the "white man" expect? Conquerors are always treated as conquerors. Yes, and they build palaces for themselves, and not for the natives. My comment was only about a higher culture and civilization, and all sorts of "thanks" are from another opera.
        1. +1
          25 December 2022 19: 35
          Andrei, "Kim" Kipling's novel is a very interesting book... On this subject.
  19. -1
    25 December 2022 13: 40
    Quote: Senior Sailor
    In the old days, if some developed European country came to some wilderness and established its own rules, then this could be a boon. Some kind of civil administration, education, culture appeared. Hospitals were being built, roads and other infrastructure making life better. There were, of course, disgusting things, as, for example, in the Congo, but basically everything was more or less blissful.


    Yes, thankfully. "White Man's Burden", huh. This is where, allow me to be curious? In Africa, where the "black bone" was sent to plantations, for export? Moreover, less than half of the blacks reached their destination, the rest went to feed the sharks. In India? Well, yes, they even built railways there. To take out the loot was handy. Mass starvation under the British colonialists, the destruction of the local economy (wild local weavers produced cloth of better quality than English chintz ... how can white gentlemen close their eyes to this?) In China, where the drug trade has reached such proportions that the current Colombian drug lords are just small children against their backdrop.
    And then and now the white masters worried and care only about the robbery and exploitation of the locals. Just then it was easier to hide all this indecency.
    1. +2
      25 December 2022 16: 05
      Quote: Illanatol
      In India? Well, yes, they even built railways there. To take out the loot was handy. Mass starvation under the British colonialists, the destruction of the local economy (wild local weavers produced cloth of better quality than English chintz ... how can white gentlemen close their eyes to this?)

      You tell all this to the Indian and listen to what he will answer you. I spoke at lectures... to Indian comrades. I have never met a more friendly and negative reaction. I forgot - remind me about the Uprising ... after all, the Russians inspired it to drive the British out of India.
      1. +2
        25 December 2022 18: 02
        O!...
        Either a white man who feels constantly guilty for having invaded and brought civilization, or a white gentleman in military uniform, with a stack, contemptuously rustling his eyes towards the locals and a little something from them - tie them to the muzzles of cannons and shoot them with shells! Such is the greatness of the white queen. Very impressive, you know. And, by the way, it reformats consciousness from the "burden of the white man" towards the concept of "the right of the strong."
        The strong without reflections is always right and respected. It has been and will be for a long time.
        1. Fat
          +1
          26 December 2022 11: 52
          "Oh, East is East, and West is West, and never the twain shall meet,
          Till Earth and Sky stand presently at God's great Judgment Seat;
          But there is neither East nor West, Border, nor Breed, nor Birth,
          When two strong men stand face to face,
          tho' they come from the ends of the earth!"
          ("Oh, the West is the West, the East is the East, and they will not leave their places,
          Until Heaven and Earth appear at the Terrible Judgment of God.
          But there is no East, and there is no West, which is a tribe, homeland, clan,
          If strong with a strong face to face,
          Does it rise at the edge of the earth?) translated by E. G. Polonskaya
          Quote: depressant
          The strong without reflections is always right and respected. It has been and will be for a long time.

          And were there doubts?
  20. -1
    25 December 2022 14: 34
    How not to remember: it is better to eat carrion for 300 years than fresh flesh for 30 years !!! ???
    1. +4
      25 December 2022 15: 36
      How not to remember: it is better to eat carrion for 300 years than fresh flesh for 30 years !!! ???

      You are ignorant. At least you need to know your own classics.
      “Listen,” said Pugachev with some wild inspiration. “I’ll tell you a fairy tale that an old Kalmyk woman told me as a child. Once an eagle asked a raven: tell me, raven bird, why do you live in this world for three hundred years, and I'm only thirty-three years old? - Because, father, the raven answered him, that you drink living blood, and I eat carrion. The eagle thought: let's try and we eat the same. Okay. The eagle and the raven flew. They saw a fallen horse, went down and sat down. The raven began to peck and praise. The eagle pecked once, pecked again, waved its wing and said to the raven: no, brother raven, than to eat carrion for three hundred years, it’s better to drink living blood once, and then what God will give! - What is the Kalmyk fairy tale?

      A. S. Pushkin. "Captain's daughter".
  21. +1
    25 December 2022 15: 49
    = On the benefits of conquest for the conquered =
    Is Shpakovsky preparing us for the role of the conquered?
    1. +1
      25 December 2022 16: 07
      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
      = On the benefits of conquest for the conquered =
      Is Shpakovsky preparing us for the role of the conquered?

      Drinking undiluted alcohol again? I understand how cold it is in Krasnoyarsk, Siberia. But it is impossible in such quantities. But in general, yes, he cooks ... only who you will become - conquered or conqueror, does not depend on me. From you!
      1. +4
        25 December 2022 17: 20
        But it is impossible in such quantities. But in general, yes, he cooks ... only who you will become - conquered or conqueror, does not depend on me. From you!

        Nothing depends on you or him in this regard. Whom the king will indicate - that you will become. Tradition and mentality are stubborn things.
    2. Fat
      +1
      26 December 2022 12: 17
      Greetings! Are you from Kiev? Who is preparing you for the role of the conquered and enslaved by the promised all sorts of benefits?
      Putin, maybe Biden, maybe Ursula von der Leyen?
      Oh yes - Shpakovsky!
      1. 0
        29 December 2022 20: 49
        [quote=fat]Hello![/quote]
        Hello to you, too.
        [quote = Fat] Are you from Kiev? [/ Quote]
        No. Does my nickname mean anything to you?
        [quote = Thick] Oh yes - Shpakovsky! [/ quote]
        Why not? Given his pro-Western views and dislike for his native land. After all, not a single article about Russia. - "What are the museums in Russia? What are you talking about? There are museums in the blessed West, these are museums!"
        I understand that everyone sees what they want to see and does not see point-blank what they do not want to see.

        Quote: kalibr
        This is how it was for me: there was a mood, an opinion was written. Change the mood - change the mind. It is important that the amount of the fee does not change - this is the main thing. [/ Quote]
  22. +1
    25 December 2022 16: 44
    Oh, I’m not sure, but they gave the topic to think about, the only thing is, he’s such a Polybius ..... a very controversial historian, very. A radical and a conservative, what to look for, and even a great pro-Roman if you read it. However, I read, like you, a translation, which quite possibly does not coincide with the original.
    PS By the way, the original also seems to be in Latin, not in Greek. Although I could be wrong, if Vyacheslav Olegovich is in the know, enlighten me pliz ...
  23. +2
    26 December 2022 00: 31
    And no one mentioned the movie "The Hurt Locker". This is the most honest study of the issue raised. All the answers are there.
    I lost my bell.
    1. Fat
      +3
      26 December 2022 02: 04
      Hello. The notification disappeared for many, after the attack of evil villains)))
      Maybe The Hurt Locker? Did I miss something? What to watch?
      1. +1
        26 December 2022 08: 44
        Did you fall asleep too late, Andrey Borisovich? )))
        This is bad! Feeling today?...
        No, the Hurt Locker, of course, is an adrenaline junkie, but his adrenaline is the leaven on which a well-fed America decomposes. And so - the miner Lord of the Storm is kind, fair and selfless. With the help of such, the most evil deeds are done.
        And the bell - and do not care! Yes, there was an attack, the site reported. Just for what? There are such evil telegrams that the VO website with its commentators are peasants at the front entrance. Nobody even tries to attack Telegrams, and the VO website was attacked. Apparently, there was a moment of some particularly evil and painful truth. It is believed that this destroys the state. With which I disagree fundamentally. It is destroyed by the flattery of liars. But how is the question here? The state is me! I don't remember who said.
        1. Fat
          +2
          26 December 2022 09: 44
          Greetings, Lyudmila! EMNIP the words "The State is I" (L'État c'est moi) are attributed to Louis 14, as the beautiful legend says))
          And bad sleep is not at all from a state of health, but rather from excitement over the prospect of a site that was downed last night by malicious hackers. He is still limping now, but it is already possible to communicate) Until it worked, he slept restlessly. Like this
  24. 0
    26 December 2022 09: 42
    Quote: kalibr
    You tell all this to the Indian and listen to what he will answer you. I spoke at lectures... to Indian comrades. I have never met a more friendly and negative reaction. I forgot - remind me about the Uprising ... after all, the Russians inspired it to drive the British out of India.


    It seems that your Indian "comrades" were descendants of local gentlemen who had their gesheft from contacts with white Sahibs. They got goodies, these compratodors, and so they still have pro-English sentiments.

    The Russians inspired... out of nowhere, like? Were the sepoys happy with everything? Or did the Russians push them a little, give a spark?
    If there is no "social gunpowder", then no matter how much you inspire, the fire of the uprising will not flare up.
    Well, that's an old story. But the famine in Bengal, when Churchill ordered all the grain to be taken out, is already closer to our time. Or are the Russians also to blame (the bloody Stalin advised the narrow-minded Briton)?
    1. 0
      26 December 2022 14: 18
      Quote: Illanatol
      Or are the Russians also to blame (the bloody Stalin advised the narrow-minded Briton)?

      How do I know? Talk to the Indians - they will tell you.
    2. -1
      26 December 2022 14: 21
      Quote: Illanatol
      yours were descendants of local masters,

      May be. But there were a lot of them there, a whole stream ... But even if so. Whose opinion is more important? Poor beggars or decision makers?
      1. 0
        27 December 2022 13: 32
        Quote: kalibr
        May be. But there were a lot of them there, a whole stream ... But even if so. Whose opinion is more important? Poor beggars or decision makers?


        And what did you expect? To meet among the students representatives of the Dalit caste?

        For you, of course, the opinion of the "majors" means more. This is called "class flair".
  25. 0
    26 December 2022 22: 11
    The Spartans were actually called the Lacedaemonians. And their laws were left to them by Lycurgus.
    Both the article and the comments lack the brevity of Lacedaemonian expressions ...
    "With a shield or on a shield ...". A mother's wish to her son when going on a trip abroad.
  26. 0
    27 December 2022 00: 28
    1. Brad Pitt, of course, in the first photo he lies so beautifully.
    In my opinion, the film does not deserve much attention.
    2. The article lacks frames - inserts from "Caligula",
    Once there was a question about some licentiousness of that society.
    3. "300" came out not only in 1962, but also in 2007.
    "Author" writes about the 1966 film (?) What kind of film?

    As - for me, the article is a vinaigrette, in the good sense of the word.
    Thanks for letting me chime in.
  27. -1
    28 December 2022 12: 19
    "how many worthy people have died in our country, while "not quite worthy""

    And nature has neither worthy nor unworthy.
    As there are no good atoms and bad ones.
  28. 0
    29 December 2022 14: 19
    The article is controversial. Strictly personal opinion. The perception of history through the prism of the philosophy of idealism is more than a strange phenomenon for a historian (a lover of Istria is not appropriate here, in my opinion). Especially for a person who has studied materialism well. According to my feelings, from any theory of idealism in history, the smell of Nazism very clearly breaks through. Little people always "not those" come across.
  29. 0
    2 February 2023 00: 55
    Very clear and correct article!
    I especially liked this idea: "There is only one reasonable goal of the war - the destruction of the enemy's passionate gene pool in order to ensure the survival of the most prudent, tolerant and ... not prone to aggression." Yes, there is such a thing.
    One of the very strategic, rare
    and far-reaching goals. But this is only one of the goals of the war!
    The goals of the war for the warring parties are usually much simpler: the seizure of territory, women (long stories: Chukchi against the Eskimos) and / or resources, political suppression, annexation, ideological leaps (religion - 30-year war in Europe), conflict resolution is fundamentally not resolved by negotiations (our SVO), external intermediaries, international courts (they also have their own interests!).

    The trick is that people do not see the goals of all wars (any war) are for nature itself! Nature/evolution/life (whatever you want to call it) has its own goals/laws/paths, and for wars, it also has a simple, obvious goal: group selection the best groups of people (countries) during the war.
    I do not mean that individual natural selection, which is well described in Darwin's theory and simply hackneyed to holes.

    I'm talking about another selection: about GROUP.
    Selection according to the adaptability of the whole group to the changing surrounding reality, where the survival rate of the group in a hostile environment is important. Even a pack of wolves survive not as separate individuals, but as a close-knit team under the leadership of an alpha couple. The better they interact, the more chances they have to survive, defend their territory, wrest territory from other flocks, feed themselves, multiply, raise a new generation healthy and adequate to reality.

    Paradox: in our communist science, which seemed to promote collectivism in everything, there is ALMOST NOTHING about group selection.
    Apparently they were afraid of the association with Nazism, a completely logical comparison of a strong wolf pack with a strong nation. Moreover, the socialists before 1917 raised these questions and wrote about similar things in nature. Take at least the famous A.P. Kropotkin - in 1902, he wrote (indignant that Darwin's theory was misunderstood: as an endless fight of all against all) his book "Mutual Aid as a Factor in Evolution" - I almost finished reading it. I definitely recommend it - it has not lost its relevance at all! It destroys many clichés, for example, that there was supposedly a village community in Russia, but it did not exist in Europe. But the circulation of this book is only 100 copies. There is no prophet in his own country: how to print ancient Jewish fables in millions of copies, but his prophet, well, he is hardly 100 copies.

    Now in biology they do not write much about GROUP SELECTION. I walked around the entire Darwin Museum in Moscow (the museum is huge, I had to come twice) - not a word about the group selection! Although examples of interspecific cooperation of animals are shown. There are scientists abroad who insist on the existence of group selection and others who vehemently deny it. Moreover, the latter are usually ardent humanists and liberals. It seems that they are in principle opposed to the idea that in nature and in war, the best individuals simply win, and GROUPS and this selection have not disappeared and never disappeared. Attempts to debate online with communists and leftists on the same topic usually show the same thing.
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      10 March 2023 16: 31
      Quote: PavelT
      Paradox: in our communist science, which seemed to promote collectivism in everything, there is ALMOST NOTHING about group selection.

      There is about class. And about the class struggle.
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    2 February 2023 01: 37
    On the subject of this quote: "There is only one reasonable goal of the war - the destruction of the enemy's passionary gene pool in order to ensure the survival of the most prudent, tolerant and ... not prone to aggression."
    I can give specific examples of their history when the passionate (fierce, independent, fighting) gene pool of an already captured enemy was purposefully suppressed by the aggressor not through destruction, but through IDEOLOGY.

    Examples are directly opposite, but very characteristic:

    1. After the ruin of the Russian principalities by Batu, the new Khan Berke cunningly exhausted all his rivals, including Batu's son Sartak (who was a Christian), then he began to carry out a systematic occupation in Rus': a population census and tribute collection. In 1257, imperial officials appeared in the Vladimir-Suzdal, Ryazan and Murom principalities. Military districts were organized according to the standards of the Mongolian decimal system (tumens, thousands, hundreds, tens). The so-called Yoke began. Only members of the clergy were exempted from taxes! “Toe the same winters, the numerals arrived, searching the whole land of Suzhdal and Ryazan and Murom and setting tenants, and centurions, and thousands of men and temniki, and going to the Word, a lot of abbots, blacks, priests, kliroshans who look at St. Theotokos and the lord". Those. the Christian religion and the ROC suited the top of the Mongols quite well! Under Khan Berke, they began to issue labels not only to princes, but also to Russian metropolitans. Search the net: Khan's labels for Russian metropolitans. Under the same khan, in 1261, the now little-known Sarai diocese of the Russian Orthodox Church was opened in the capital of the Golden Horde. This was done by the Metropolitan of Kyiv and All Rus' Kirill II at the request of Prince Alexander Nevsky. The Khan probably had an idea to use the Orthodox clergy as intermediaries in relations with the restored Byzantine Empire.
    Why such privileges of the Orthodox religion on the part of pagan aggressors (gradually converting to Islam)? Because Khan Breke was not, asked him to explain the foundations and precepts of this religion (when he learned about the commandment "Thou shalt not kill!" He probably laughed for a long time) and found it not only not harmful, but even useful for educating a submissive non-belligerent population in the occupied principalities. Now the opposite is poured into our ears, stories from the Russian Orthodox Church.

    2. In 1620-1650, the Manchus (settled Jurchens), together with the Mongols and Han rebels, captured China and built the Qin Empire, crushing the rebellions with genocide. Already in the XVIII century, the population of China grew from 100 to 300 million people. Fertile lands remained in Manchuria. Its provinces were separated from the rest of China by a wall as the homeland of the Manchus. An imperial decree forbade the Han people to settle there. The government also forbade the Mongols from leaving their Banners, as well as penetrating into the 18 provinces of Inner China, setting severe punishments for this so that the Mongols remained divided for the benefit of the Qing Empire. At that time, the Manchus suppressed the Mongols not childishly, and therefore now in Mongolia this period is called the "Manchurian Yoke". I once worked with the Mongols in physics. With one of them, with Khurelbator, I had frequent conversations about the history of our peoples (I even wanted to give him a beautiful book "The Battle of the Kalka", but he had already bought it himself). I told him about the attitude of the khans towards the Russian Orthodox Church, and he said: "So we had the same garbage under the Manchu yoke: the Manchus imposed Buddhism in Mongolia with all their might to make us submissive." There was even a Manchu proverb reflecting the very essence: "Let a Buddhist monk grow up in every yurt rather than a warrior!" I didn’t know about the Manchurian yoke then, I asked him to tell me, he roughly explained the situation, somewhere in the middle of the story I began to smile and he asked me: “What’s funny?” I answered something like "justice still exists in nature" ...
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    7 February 2023 07: 23
    Chot spun then spun - cast a shadow on the wattle fence, pulled the owl on the globe
    two sentences are enough to form your message
    1. Let's love the Motherland and not money
    2. To have no money - let's live as beggars
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    20 March 2023 20: 51
    Here I look at the last photo and understand that I was a Kuban in childhood, having heard enough of the Kuban surzhik, I understood almost 50% of this text .. Herr Shpakovsky. How do you like this

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