Named the approximate number of upgraded T-90M "Proryv" tanks deployed to the NVO zone in recent days

The Russian command continues to introduce new reserves and military equipment into the NMD zone, including the latest Tanks T-90M "Breakthrough". Recently, the tankers of the "Brave" group received a batch of modernized tanks, which will soon join the troops on the first line. At the same time, information was received on the number of delivered equipment.

According to Russian Spring, the Russian military stationed on the territory of the LPR, and this is the group "O" - "Brave", received more than 50 T-90M tanks. All equipment has already been delivered to the territory of the republic and is now being tested by crews, some of it is participating in the preparation of reserves. As reported, soon this equipment will go to the line of contact in the Svatovo-Kremennaya direction.

The fact that a batch of modernized T-90M tanks arrived at the armament of the tankers of the "O" group in the NVO zone was reported on December 20, but without details.

The T-90M tank was developed as part of the Breakthrough-3 development work and is a deep modernization of the T-90 with an increase in combat and operational characteristics. During the modernization, a new turret module with a 90-mm cannon of increased survivability and accuracy was installed on the T-125M. The turret is equipped with a 12,7 mm remote-controlled machine gun mount. The new tank is equipped with a highly automated digital fire control system that provides search, recognition, auto-tracking and hitting targets.

The T-90M tank is actively used in the NWO zone along with the T-72B3 and T-80BVM. "Seventy-second" is still the most massive tank of the special operation, the T-90 is in second place, "eighties" is the least.

Comments

[Barberry25]

Well, now at least the specifics, and not fairy tales about "200 t-90m"

[Argon]

It's time to introduce armats. Help on the front line can never be superfluous.

[Machito]

Quote: Argon

It's time to introduce armats. Help on the front line can never be superfluous.

Armats cannot be entered. They need to be left for the parade on Victory Day.

[vlad106]

The T-90 is still pretty good. Armata would not interfere.


Barberry25 (Barberry)
it’s better to have an extra company of T-72B3m than to get one armature.

Hm! And what about the t-72, let's have a whole division of t-34 ...

[Barberry25]

well, what will they do there? it’s better to have an extra company of T-72B3m than to get one armature .. the conflict is not the one to drive an experimental tank

[Sevastiec]

If we ignore how ready the tank is and take into account the declared characteristics, as well as what seems to be announced about the transfer of an experimental batch to the troops, then it is precisely that one T-14 is better than several T-72s.
The fact is that the T-72 was created at that time and for such wars, when tanks went into battle in tens, if not hundreds. And to solve the problem, they had to be a mass, and the time of life on the battlefield, they were given minutes. In Ukraine, we do not observe tank breakthroughs, but we see only the support of the assaulting infantry (and it should be the other way around).
Armata, on the other hand, was declared precisely as a tank for a new generation of network-centric warfare, with a qualitative increase in potential in defense, attack and reconnaissance, and the ability to act alone, supporting the actions of troops at a long distance.

[Barberry25]

here, even if we assume that Armata already fully complies with its performance characteristics and we suppose we have a battalion, then from the point of view of the SVO there will be no more sense from them, they will either need to be very much covered, or used where the usual T-72b3m enough for the eyes, and if it’s loss or destruction? Any tank can be destroyed after all .. here some reputational losses, not to mention financial ones, will outweigh the benefit of appearing at the front a hundredfold ... It makes sense to introduce the T-14 at the later stages of the SVO, when the defeat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be be completed in order to calmly conduct tests and get a profit in the form of a "battle tank"

[newtc7]

Quote: Barberry25

here, even if we assume that Armata already fully complies with its performance characteristics and we suppose we have a battalion, then from the point of view of the SVO there will be no more sense from them, they will either need to be very much covered, or used where the usual T-72b3m enough for the eyes, and if it’s loss or destruction? Any tank can be destroyed after all .. here some reputational losses, not to mention financial ones, will outweigh the benefit of appearing at the front a hundredfold ... It makes sense to introduce the T-14 at the later stages of the SVO, when the defeat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be be completed in order to calmly conduct tests and get a profit in the form of a "battle tank"

Where do you come from such kings of logic, I don’t understand? Reputational losses have already been received in the maximum possible volume.
Armata was positioned as a center tank with a detachment of other weaker and less modern ones. In this case, 100 armats will be enough just to saturate the entire NWO zone with them. And forward to check whether they are capable of something or not.
I am amazed at how sometimes people who have nothing to do with power try to justify its stupidity and slowness with some kind of "half-intelligible" motives.

[Barberry25]

Since when has the T-14 been positioned this way?

[newtc7]

Quote: Barberry25

Since when has the T-14 been positioned this way?

I'm too lazy to look for it yourself. But the concept was something like this: one Armata for 3 t-90s. Armata, with its radar and optical sights, is looking for targets, transmits the T-90, they hit and are also generally controlled by a tank platoon.

[Barberry25]

only this "brilliant" concept of MO has never been voiced anywhere, but sofa experts have voiced, so do not confuse God's gift with scrambled eggs

[newtc7]

Quote: Barberry25

only this "brilliant" concept of MO has never been voiced anywhere, but sofa experts have voiced, so do not confuse God's gift with scrambled eggs

And what's wrong with it? It would be a very reasonable use. Here you are now aiming your leftist ambition and you will see that in three months (our Defense Ministry has a tight head) armats will still be brought onto the battlefield and will be used that way.

[Barberry25]

1)problems with logistics and service,
2) Other tanks should be equipped with similar battle management systems in order to receive and process data, and at the moment it is the T-90M, which in terms of detection tools is not particularly inferior to the T-14 i.e. to get full efficiency, you need to make a unit from the T-14 and T-90M and, say, in the theory of the T-72b3mobr 22, provided that the necessary modules are there, in fact it is hemorrhagic and long, at best it will make sense in the last stages of the NWO , but obviously not now, and then if the Moscow Region decides to nevertheless introduce the T-14 by machine, and not by a unit. then the concept itself will be useless

[Sevastiec]

Here we argued, argued, and argued:

"The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are preparing "Armata" for battles in the NVO zone

Earlier it was reported that the crews of the T-14 "Armata" tanks are already undergoing combat coordination right in the zone of the special operation.


https://t.me/smotri_z/9478

[Barberry25]

yes, I wrote about this below today, let's see how they implement it, the main thing is not to be as "successful" as with the T-90m

[karabas-barabas]

Quote from: newtc7

and you will see, in three months (our MO has a tight head) armats will still be brought onto the battlefield and will be used that way.

And what have all the problems been solved? What's with the long-suffering X motors? I strongly doubt that when they planned the serial production of the Almaty, the designers hoped for 100% "import substitution" and they would do all these electron-optical devices themselves. After all, the main difference between the Armata and the classical layout is the absence of a direct optical channel, native Soviet-Russian sights cannot be screwed in parallel, all hope is for high-quality cameras, drives, electronics and cables. Everyone knows the level of the same Shvabe and the reasons why the deliveries are carried out by Peleneg. In short, when they dreamed of 2000 Armats by 2020, they thought that Rheinmetal, Thales, Nexter and other Western concerns (Bosch, Festo, Siemens) would continue to cooperate with the Russian Federation and supply all sorts of things, but the sanctions from 2014 slowed down all development, and China is not an alternative, they do not know how much. Now all sorts of components would be enough for the mastered equipment, the same T-90, T-72B3, BMP. After 2014, the sanctions were full of holes and the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation received matrices from Tales and other kits in a roundabout way, as it was found out in the spring when dismantling the destroyed BMD4M, they found a kind of kit manufactured in 2018-2020, after which they seriously strengthened control over this case. Therefore, in my opinion, it is strange to discuss Armata now, all the more so to expect it in the database at the front.

[Valnik]

Marvelous! We expected that a potential enemy would equip our weapons. What is it? Visibility of energetic work to improve technology. Europe even removed the supply of components for civilian cars.

[karabas-barabas]

So imagine how many kits, servomotors, sensors, cables, connections, etc., etc. are in a modern tank? It is clear that there is a well-established market for all this, in which other manufacturers are purchased and do not invent every screw and light bulb themselves. Everyone knows that spark plugs, or ABS systems, are best done by Bosch, price-quality, or some kind of pneumatic devices from Festo. And now suddenly the Russian Federation was cut off from all this. They hoped for someone, for the Chinese, who themselves buy the same components for import for their quality products, since the Chinese machine and machine tool industry leaves much to be desired, as a result of which the Chinese still do not know how much. I believe that there are still some components in the warehouses, but they had to somehow prepare for the sanctions after the start of the NWO? But on the other hand, when you look at the mess at the front, the lack of elementary things, clothes and shoes, then what kind of servomotors, etc. If someone thinks that it is possible to create a completely closed production cycle like in the USSR, then even the level of the 60s will be problematic to create , since there have been no enterprises for the creation of the element base for a long time.

[Metal bro]

Who's got God's gift? Those who cite the war 80 years ago as an example?

[stankow]

Alas, no one has ever announced this.

[Alexey Kudashov]

The only question is why is this happening? Because the initiative from the ground goes into the swamp... The system is tuned to the process, not the result, digital transformation changes it. People change with the system.

[yuriy55]

Quote: Barberry25

Since when has the T-14 been positioned this way?

T-14 "Armata" (Armata) - Russian main battle tank, developed as part of the concept of network-centric warfare. Designed for actions in a group, reconnaissance, adjustment and fire control. Considerable emphasis is placed on the communication equipment of the machine.

https://militaryarms.ru/voennaya-texnika/tanki/t-14-armata/#:~:text=Т-14%20«Армата»%20(Armata)%20—%20российский,сделан%20на%20коммуникационном%20оборудовании%20машины

[Barberry25]

and now for you, in what place did the Moscow Region or UVZ declare this? not some kind of left-wing site and its authors, but the people who developed it?

[yuriy55]

You, I see, are one of those users who consider only their messages to be true ...

[Barberry25]

this is how you will find the position of the Ministry of Defense that they originally set the task of the T-14 command vehicle at the head of the t-72 / t-90 platoon, then return

[Sevastiec]

Quote: Barberry25

here, even if we assume that Armata already fully complies with its performance characteristics and we suppose we have a battalion

I started with this.

Quote: Barberry25

after all, any tank can be destroyed .. here some reputational losses, not to mention financial ones, will outweigh the benefit of appearing at the front a hundredfold ...

That is, the tank was created in order to show it only at parades and exhibitions? So this is precisely the huge financial loss wasted on the "wedding general".
Are you afraid of reputational losses? Well, be afraid: the machine is forever and will remain raw until it becomes obsolete. If you don't throw a new car where it's meant to be (in combat), you'll never get it to perfection. Or you will not understand that it is no good for anything and stop wasting time and money on it. The Americans are not afraid of "reputational" losses, they build and use equipment in large quantities, due to which it is brought, if not to perfection, then the maximum is squeezed out of it. Like for example with the F-35. Fools will always laugh, but the real opinion is left to the professionals. Or if the Germans, at one time, would have been afraid to use the "Tigers" and "Panthers" - extremely raw in the first modifications, waiting until they corrected themselves.
And tell me, are you not afraid for the lives of soldiers, which new equipment should save? How much do you think they cost in reputational and financial terms?

[Barberry25]

are they not afraid? Did they tell you that? They tested the same F22 / 35 in near-combat conditions only when they began to raise the question, why do we need 2 hundred fifth-generation fighters, if f-15/16 fly on combat ones? then once the f-35 flew to drop a bomb on the militants. Moreover, there could not have been any reputational losses .. and now I repeat the question, what exactly should the T-14 crew know on the fields of Donbass? now tell us about the great combat achievements that the appearance of the t-14 on the line will provide?

[topol717]

Quote: Barberry25

Or will you now tell us about the great combat achievements that the appearance of the T-14 on the line will provide?

There is a phrase, get involved in politics, otherwise politics will take care of you.
Well, Supertank has been shown to the electorate many times. They said what a breakthrough. Well, the electorate will have to show the work of this super weapon.
I think there will be a video for you in March or April.

[Barberry25]

maybe it will, or maybe it won’t ... just knowing the electorate, he will be dissatisfied again, even here, under the news about fifty T-90Ms in one place, they threw a tantrum like cheap hysterical squirrels about “why not T-14? !where are they?! when will I see them?!!!"

[Metal bro]

Who are you, what do you know how to speak in such a tone? The tank has been under development for more than 10 years, and if we also take into account project 195, then how long has the epic been going on.
Of course they are dissatisfied, the T-90 has long been outdated, a new generation tank has long been needed.
I am amazed at characters like you, they probably take an example from effective state managers

[Barberry25]

And who are you to ask me this?

[Nag1984]

The T-90M is much more modern than what the enemy currently has, and even taking into account what NATO can give from its stocks.

[Letun]

Quote: Barberry25

why not T-14?! where are they?! when will I see them?!!!"

Well, as if people quite reasonably want to know why a tank that has been riding in parades for probably 7-8 years and on which a lot of state money has been spent does not do what it was actually created for. This is a perfectly normal question, I think. Or do you adhere to the point of view of a certain Mr. Karnaukhov who said: "Do you want to criticize? Criticize silently!"?

[Barberry25]

1) this is not a reasonable question, this is the principle of hysterical squirrels who never want to see a positive, but only a negative, believe me, if tomorrow a T-14 battalion appears in the NWO, there will be screams about why there are so few and where are the robots ?! This has already been passed many times. According to the T-14, how many of them are in the troops now? There are at most a hundred vehicles, many are in training units where cadets are being trained for them, what were the videos about and, in the opinion of our hysterical squirrels, what should be thrown into battle tanks with untrained cadets or with crews from the factory employees? Or do you need to drive one and a half cars so that they ride there for show, like the Ka-50 at one time?

[karabas-barabas]

Quote: Barberry25

According to the T-14, now how many of them are in the troops? From the strength of a hundred cars

No one, ever more than 20 Armats, has ever seen anywhere, and then 20 Armats at a time only at the parade. What is the secrecy to show at least a battalion of 30 and Armat during exercises, tests? So far, nothing has been shown, a walk with a turn of the tower and shooting at the shield 50m from the tank. If you read the press of the last 2-3 years, the statements of those responsible, then this Armata has long been put on the shelf to gather dust. And lately they suddenly remembered Armata, as if they could take it and send it to the front.

[Barberry25]

and what exactly will the video recording from the exercises give? You know, I think that if the recording appears, there will only be cries in the style of "this is window dressing, everyone is going to the front" and so on and so forth ... there are records from the Kazan tank, i.e. training is underway on the T-14 and there is a car, it makes no sense to run ahead of the steam locomotive. For me, in this situation, the news that the Ministry of Defense increased the purchase order for the T-90M and that now every year 200 t-90M of the new assembly will go to troops and that some Omsk residents will be connected to this topic. This is more useful

[Magnat231]

Never mind, the people will never be satisfied, not long ago everyone was whining that there was no T-90M "Breakthrough", they brought it in, and they will deliver it, now it's not that, come on Armata, well, after Almaty, what to give ?)))))))

[vlad106]

[quote = Magnat231] that's not it, let's go to Armata, but after Almaty, what to give?))))))) [/ quote]

For good, Caliber, Iskander, Daggers, Vanguards, etc. should prevail. along with attack aircraft

[Barberry25]

by the way, there is a suspicion that we will soon be able to test my idea - today infa has surfaced that Solovyov climbed the T-14 and that he was informed that "T-14s are undergoing combat coordination" i.e. in THEORY, I repeat, it is POSSIBLE that a couple of T-14 platoons will appear on the LBS, but I don’t think that there will be something epic, rather like the appearance of the Ka-50 in Chechnya at one time

[Sevastiec]

It has always amazed me how people in a dialogue ignore the main point of what they said and try to start an argument on a secondary topic.
Absolutely on the drum, what the Americans are afraid of, what they are not afraid of. But I will say this: no country will be afraid of this, because it understands that it is better to settle down now in small ways than later in big. And, be that as it may, their planes fly, fight, and the Americans earn billions on their sale. And Armata, the 7th year goes to parades.

Now the second thing: if Armata is good for nothing, is no better and does not provide any advantage ... then FUCK ... THEY DID IT?

[Aleksandr75]

Because Armata is an EXPERIMENTAL PLATFORM!
1. There will not be a large number of such tanks in the troops.
2. On the basis of Almaty, the main battle tank of Russia and other modifications of equipment will be produced.

[Sevastiec]

Ahh .... so there, Mikhalych! Experimental means. And they didn't tell us.

So the tank has already been made, like: T-14, based on the Armata platform, isn't it?
Or is it also experimental? Experimental tank, based on an experimental platform. And when will they start working? It would be time.

[Denis812]

Armata was supposed to become MBT.
If it is not massively in the troops and the reason is not at all in money. Either the industry is not ready to mass-produce it, or the military does not need it in this form.

[Barberry25]

and that is why the Americans do not want to supply Kyiv with the latest tanks. aircraft and OTRK ... apparently because they want to?

[Tima62]

[quote = Barberry25] there are only reputational losses, not to mention financial ones, that will outweigh the benefit of appearing at the front a hundredfold ... It makes sense to introduce the T-14 at the later stages of the military defense, when the defeat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be completed, in order to calmly conduct tests and get a profit in the form "battle tank" [/ quote]
But there were times when they were not afraid of either reputational or combat losses, and experienced tanks were used in combat conditions.
[quote] SMK tank. Together with the experienced heavy tank T-100 close to it in characteristics and a prototype of the KV tank, it underwent front-line tests during the Finnish War - it was used in battles on the Mannerheim Line, where it was blown up by a mine and was subsequently evacuated. According to the results of comparative tests, the KV-1 turned out to be slightly better than the QMS. / Quote]

[Konstantin Shevchenko]

And what is the advantage of the "Armata" over the "breakthrough" in terms of firepower?

[certero]

Quote: Konstantin Shevchenko

what is the advantage of the "Armata" over the "breakthrough" in terms of firepower

Living fighters who, being in a more protected armored capsule, perform a combat mission more efficiently

[Konstantin Shevchenko]

This I know about the safety of the crew. As you can see, the Armata has no advantages over the "breakthrough", the same cannon, engine, it is also possible to knock it out and stop at a mine. And what should the crew do if Armata was hit and cannot go under its own power? Leave the tank or stay in the capsule until the last?
There are no special advantages, the quantity is small and expensive, all kinds of cameras and sensors can fail or be damaged during the battle. But if it is destroyed, and this is possible, there will be a joyful pig squeal even in the VO with the promise that the tank has a place in the parade. Armata will enter the battle, but the time has not yet come, because. the concept of supporting the tank itself has not been prepared.

[certero]

Quote: Konstantin Shevchenko

As you can see, the Armata has no advantages over the "breakthrough", the same cannon, engine, it is also possible to knock it out and stop at a mine

As you can see, the Armata, at least on paper, has huge advantages. Here you have KAZ, which for some reason we have never seen in battle yet, here you have a protected crew, here you have the best control system and communications, and, finally, when to check equipment if not in battle?

[ZeeD]

The gun is not the same! Look for targeted articles! The caliber is the same, but the gun has noticeably better characteristics.

[Herman 4223]

The engine is different X-shaped, it is smaller in displacement and more powerful at the same time. The gun is different, the crew is located more conveniently in the capsule. Of course, you can knock him out, but this is already more difficult to do, because there is a KAZ. I believe that weapons should be used and gain experience in combat operation, only this will make it possible to identify and eliminate design flaws and organization of use in combat.

[newtc7]

Quote: Konstantin Shevchenko

And what is the advantage of the "Armata" over the "breakthrough" in terms of firepower?

Radar, kaz, better sensors, better armor, better dynamic armor, harder to notice, better communications, unkillable crew members. In theory. It's enough?

[Alexander Fomichev]

in Defense, according to "minutes for a life on the field": it is much more convenient to hit a high fence. There are no barriers to the nimble T90M.

[smart ass]

What prevented for 20 years to rivet at least 5000 pieces. t90 breakthrough!? We need mass weapons for cheap / angrily and not single prodigies!

[Alexander Fomichev]

Yachts from 100m., Jeep Bentley.. Sq. to ceiling with banknotes

[multicam]

Is the Russian army capable of waging a network-centric war??

[Herman 4223]

Armata is already in the zone of its own. She was filmed there the other day.

[art having]

"the conflict is not the one to drive an experimental tank"

Not the one? What kind of conflict do you need to test this prodigy? War with the Zulus?

[Argon]

Why the hell is he needed when there is such a problem? You need to enter a lot. Now there is a war with NATO proxies. You need to test, refine and improve. How and where are they going to test this tank, if not on the outskirts? Is it only for export? And if soon the war with Pinda? It’s better to let there be anti-advertising if it’s raw than to get people from Abrams later. Here you need to beat the dill. Show the power of Russia!
Let the fascist tremble and run. Enough humiliation already. Not the humiliation of the soldiers, namely the tactics of the generals. Soldiers fight and die no matter what.

[Barberry25]

it’s a shame for soldiers too, there’s no need to ride on the ears ... What exactly will the T-14 give at the front? how does it hold up a mine explosion or artillery shelling?

[Argon]

Exactly! It is necessary to give the tankers. Let them run and fight. It will be clear what needs to be changed. Or is he already? Stillborn?

[karabas-barabas]

To drive Armata, you need a reliable engine from 1200 hp. I haven’t heard anything good about bringing X engines to mind yet, but B92 can be put on Armata, but it will be slow, there is another version of the gas turbine engine with the T-80, but they are not enough for the T-80 of the same, since this gas turbine engine has long been do not produce.

[newtc7]

Quote: Barberry25

well, what will they do there? it’s better to have an extra company of T-72B3m than to get one armature .. the conflict is not the one to drive an experimental tank

Why build weapons so as not to use them and only show them in cartoons?!?!
A tank is a tank, let it go to the front line and fight. And there it will already be clear whether it is good or bad or something else.

[kartantirambler.ru]

Somewhere infa slipped that a production line was built at UVZ for Armata, but it is worth it. No money - MO does not order. There is no salary, until bankruptcy.

[Sith]

so it's 50 pcs. only the brave ... how many of them were scattered along the front line xs .zh

[Barberry25]

not at all .. spraying these tanks throughout the LBS piece by piece is at least stupid, and maintenance has features, and efficiency will be with concentration on the site

[Sith]

On the contrary ... the more of some kind of MBT ... the easier it is to drag it somewhere and repair or maintain
There are no strong problems, what to do with it ...

[Barberry25]

that's it, drag, repair, serve .. that is. it will be necessary to create either centers for every 50 km of the front where they can serve, including T-90M, or concentrate them in one place and create only one repair and supply base. T-90M, at best, about a hundred vehicles were produced, too gemorno for the sake of say tank company in a section of 100-150 km to teach specialists and prepare a separate supply.

[Osiris]

To really break through the front lines of defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, you need to have 3-4 groups of 600-800 tank groups, and 50 units. in a positional war of the 1st World War model, they won’t bring us victory, sho with Armata sho without Armata ...

[Reznov]

200 is the total number of T-90M tanks that have been delivered since Feb 24. By the way there are also Proryv-s in Belarus and Bakhmut that we know about.

[Rasp]

Dear, we are talking about tanks that are handed over to the brave, other tanks will be handed over to other units, it’s not so difficult to overestimate, I suggest increasing your logical thinking by 13 percent.

[Herman 4223]

Group "O" received 50 tanks. And there are also others “V” “Z”.

[YOUR]

In Belarus, in the Gomel region, a train with a T-90 was noticed. I wonder how effective the 12,7 mm remote-controlled machine gun mount is. And how much is enough. In the sense of a machine-gun belt, it is known that you need to reload manually by leaning out of the tower to the waist.

[Andrey Moskvin]

After the "Breakthrough" abandoned in the forest, it is possible to supply large batches, which is now a secret ...

[rotmistr60]

grouping "O" - "Brave", received more than 50 T-90M tanks

I don’t understand one thing, why openly report on the number of tanks received? So that enemy reconnaissance does not bother itself or to scare the enemy? Yesterday on TV they showed shooting from these tanks at the training ground. Crews from the mobilized are trained from the beginning of mobilization.

[1976AG]

Quote: rotmistr60

grouping "O" - "Brave", received more than 50 T-90M tanks

I don’t understand one thing, why openly report on the number of tanks received? So that enemy reconnaissance does not bother itself or to scare the enemy? Yesterday on TV they showed shooting from these tanks at the training ground. Crews from the mobilized are trained from the beginning of mobilization.

And who said that the number is correct? Yes, and "more than 50" is a very loose concept.

[Aviator]

Clear cell phone footage, the number of tanks that arrived...everything is great, but why is it all in the public domain?

[filibuster]

And what to hide, from satellites this column has long been tracked and counted.

[Alexey Lantukh]

It would be nice to supply mock-ups of decoys along with real T-90m tanks. Of course, this is unlikely to be discussed.

[Viktor fm]

"Clear cell phone footage, the number of tanks that arrived...everything is great, but why is it all in the public domain?" For fun, go to the satellite map, count the cars at your house.

[opposite28]

The Russian command continues to introduce new reserves and military equipment into the NMD zone, including the latest T-90M Proryv tanks. Recently, the tankers of the "Brave" group received a batch of modernized tanks, which will soon join the troops on the first line. At the same time, information was received on the number of delivered equipment.

I hope that the crews of the tanks, before leaving the vehicle, will carry out high-quality measures to bring the entrusted property to a high-quality inoperable state if it is impossible to evacuate the armored object, as well as the lack of confidence in the implementation of minor repairs with properly placed combat guards (for example, installing a caterpillar belt) on the march when performing combat mission.

[Alexander Grigoryev_2]

And in the tank there is a red lever - "Pull when leaving equipment to the enemy"? And after 20 seconds, undermining everything secret and not so much. And the check from the lever should be presented to the special officers. By statute. In the current realities, it is relevant, I think so. Especially after recent events.

[Herman 4223]

Well, 20s will not be enough. And yes, it's a good idea. If there is a fear that the enemy might get the car, they pulled it and after about five minutes the charges in the fighting compartment and the engine went off, the car will become completely unusable and you can safely leave it.

[Bad_gr]

Approximate number given modernized tanks T-90M "Breakthrough" ....

In my opinion, it is not written correctly.
The T-90M tank is new and goes to the troops from the assembly line of the plant. Modernization is usually understood as something old, on which equipment is updated, improving the overall characteristics of the tank.

[1976AG]

Quote: Bad_gr

Approximate number given modernized tanks T-90M "Breakthrough" ....

In my opinion, it is not written correctly.
The T-90M tank is new and goes to the troops from the assembly line of the plant. Modernization is usually understood as something old, on which equipment is updated, improving the overall characteristics of the tank.

Tanks T - 90M are partially new construction, and partially previously released models undergoing modernization. So everything is written normally.

[VladimirNET]

Quote: Bad_gr

T-90M tank is new and goes to the troops from the assembly line of the plant

We do not know this for sure, because there were 350 tanks not upgraded, and upgrading is faster than making new ones. A source:
https://militarist-info.ru/2022/05/21/tank-army-russia-2022-god/#Сколько_танков_в_России

[Bad_gr]

Quote: VladimirNET

We do not know this for sure, because there were 350 tanks not upgraded, and upgrading is faster than making new ones.

The T-90M, compared to other T-90s, has a completely different turret, a more powerful engine, and different electronics. That is, only the hull can be taken from the previous T-90. With this approach, it will turn out to release a new tank both faster and cheaper, since it will not be necessary to spend time and money on dismantling old equipment.
Or it means that the T-90s themselvesМ several generations and modernize them (T-90М)?

[Herman 4223]

There was a plan to upgrade 400 T-90A to the level of T-90m long before the start of hostilities. The T72 was modernized according to approximately the same principle, the hull, turret and some simple instruments remained from the old one. Everything else is new, including the road wheels.

[zenion]

Beautiful name Breakthrough. Of course, those who are not aware of the name will think that it is either nausea or diarrhea.

[VladimirNET]

Quote: Bad_gr

The T-90M, compared to other T-90s, has a completely different turret, a more powerful engine, and different electronics. That is, only the hull can be taken from the previous T-90.

I meant that it is much easier to cook alloy steel and make replaceable parts than to produce the entire tank again. Otherwise, the old ones would simply be thrown away.

However, the old T-90s are relatively new (T-90 1992-2004, T-90A 2004-2011), so apparently you are right - there is no point in upgrading them to "M".

Or it means that the T-90s themselvesМ several generations and modernize them (T-90М)?

And this is also possible - because. experience has been gained in Syria and in the NWO, it was not in vain that the T-72B3 was being finalized (by installing screens).

[tvgpvo]

Quote: Bearded

Quote: Argon

It's time to introduce armats. Help on the front line can never be superfluous.

Armats cannot be entered. They need to be left for the parade on Victory Day.

You were probably dropped on the floor a lot as a child.

[Yuriy77]

Such tanks should be issued exclusively to crews who distinguished themselves in battle with the appropriate additional training!

[Bodipancher]

IMHO Armata should be equipped with a 152 mm cannon and play the role of a heavy, well-protected self-propelled gun for storming cities and breaking into fortified areas. The OFS concrete-piercing projectile for working on buildings and a projectile with remote detonation and ready-made submunitions or a cluster projectile against infantry and light vehicles. Now there is nothing to drop high-rise buildings with direct fire. The main tank should be the Breakthrough, in its current form, the Armata has no fundamental advantages over it.

[AlexSam]

Quote: Barberry25

well, what will they do there? it’s better to have an extra company of T-72B3m than to get one armature .. the conflict is not the one to drive an experimental tank

and what kind of conflict will be considered the one to drive armata there? and why the hell is the armata an experimental tank?

[Argon]

Quote: takeshi

Quote: Bearded

Quote: Argon

It's time to introduce armats. Help on the front line can never be superfluous.

Armats cannot be entered. They need to be left for the parade on Victory Day.

Two morons is power

Third and more powerful!

[Vashek]

If anyone is interested, take a look http://ormvd-zib.ru/n1_2020/vybor_perspektivy_str_36-37/

[zenion]

An excessive number of unnecessary tanks have been named that need to be sold to someone, or exchanged for paper money, which is more profitable.

[t200404]

Strange, isn't this classified information?

[Ovsigovets]

Quote: Barberry25

here, even if we assume that Armata already fully complies with its performance characteristics and we suppose we have a battalion, then from the point of view of the SVO there will be no more sense from them, they will either need to be very much covered, or used where the usual T-72b3m enough for the eyes, and if it’s loss or destruction? Any tank can be destroyed after all .. here some reputational losses, not to mention financial ones, will outweigh the benefit of appearing at the front a hundredfold ... It makes sense to introduce the T-14 at the later stages of the SVO, when the defeat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be be completed in order to calmly conduct tests and get a profit in the form of a "battle tank"

I, as an almost civilian and very cynical person, want to clarify what kind of reputational damage is and what is this reputational damage in general, even if the T-14 "Armata" tank is lost in battles ???? I’m deeply purple in your personal and some other persons dancing with a tambourine, I’m only concerned about the presence of the RF Armed Forces on the database line of the most modern types of weapons and military equipment, which will give them an advantage over the opponent ...... Why the hell are we then sponsoring development and taxes with taxes the creation of these tanks, but why the hell do we then give birth to them in metal ??? - to read gray-haired nonsense about reputational losses at a time when T-62 tankers are being restored ???? Would you walk through the forest a.............

[Ovsigovets]

Quote: Bodypuncher

IMHO Armata should be equipped with a 152 mm cannon and play the role of a heavy, well-protected self-propelled gun for storming cities and breaking into fortified areas. The OFS concrete-piercing projectile for working on buildings and a projectile with remote detonation and ready-made submunitions or a cluster projectile against infantry and light vehicles. Now there is nothing to drop high-rise buildings with direct fire. The main tank should be the Breakthrough, in its current form, the Armata has no fundamental advantages over it.

IMHO, the "armata" is equipped with what it is equipped with and until 152 mm is fired at it, therefore I suggest that the armata that already has to play the role of a tank on the DB line, and the role of self-propelled guns to be performed directly by self-propelled guns that are in service with the RF Armed Forces?!?! ? what do you think of my latest offer?

[chingachguc]

You don't need many tanks in this war. Now the tank is not an independent branch of the military, but a tactical infantry support unit. Unfortunately, aviation is out. Drones and precision-guided munitions rule

[dementor873]

Quote: rotmistr60

Yesterday on TV they showed shooting from these tanks at the training ground. Crews from the mobilized are trained from the beginning of mobilization.

Previously, it seemed like new equipment was transferred to the most experienced and distinguished crews. As I understand it, at the forefront they are all provided with 90s instead of 72 and 62, and can you safely put mobiles into operation?

[Sergey Samkov]

To drive those who like to scratch their tongues with a pissing broom .... Let's already lay out the appearances, names, addresses of the crews ... What is there .. I am surprised at the stupidity of the hype hacks ... I hope the KGB is not sleeping and is already preparing a place on the plots in Siberia ..

[Roman Efremov]

For a few more years, our main tank will be the T-72 of varying degrees of modernization, but the percentage of T90M in the tank forces must be increased by all means with the prospect of completely replacing the T-72 with it.

[Roman Efremov]

Quote: Bodypuncher

IMHO Armata should be equipped with a 152 mm gun

How to manually reload the automatic loader of HE shells weighing 40-50 kg? And if the Armata has a unitary shot in the AZ, then it’s generally unbearable weight.

[Zaurbek]

More important than ARMATA is the BMP on its cart. And so, the T90M has all the same. KAZ needs serial.