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Assault groups of PMC "Wagner" meter by meter are moving deeper into Artemovsk

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Assault groups of PMC "Wagner" meter by meter are moving deeper into Artemovsk

The heaviest fighting continues in the vicinity of Artemovsk (Bakhmut) and on the outskirts of the city. Evgeny Prigozhin’s telegram channel reports that in Artemovsk, Wagner fighters have to literally move forward meter by meter, capturing every building with battles. At the same time, the Kiev command of the trains is driving more and more new reinforcements into the city, making up for large-scale losses.


One of the commanders of the assault group of "musicians" says that the difficulty of taking Bakhmut lies in the fact that the Russian military has to go down to the city, which is located in a lowland, along a well-shootable slope. Despite the difficulties, some groups are already hooked, the assault on the city will continue until it is completely taken.

Prigogine expressed the opinion in his public that the so-called trenches dug by the Ukrainian military in Bakhmut are not. These are, most likely, communication passages between houses, in which the UAF militants traditionally place firing points. Judging by the footage published online, the trenches are straight, not zigzag, and do not have firing cells.

In the Ugledar sector, Russian troops, after artillery preparation, launched a ground attack in the direction of Prechistovka. The assault on Maryinka continues, here, as in Artemovsk, the Ukrainian garrison is trying to hold every building, fighting is going on on the western outskirts of the city.

In the Seversky sector, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation again tried to advance towards Verkhnekamenskoye. Russian artillery hit the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Sporny. Near Soledar, Russian troops continue their offensive, expanding the zone of control around Yakovlevka. On the southern flank, advanced groups of Russian forces drove Ukrainian units from the eastern outskirts of Kleshcheevka.



In the Kupyansko-Svatovsky sector, units of the Russian Armed Forces continue to push back Ukrainian formations in the area of ​​Dvurechnoye and Petropavlovka and are advancing in the direction of Tavolzhanka. Fighting continues in the forest near Dibrova.

On the southern front line, without serious advancement on both sides, there are positional artillery duels. Russian artillery hit the enemy's concentration in Kherson.

In the Kharkiv direction, Russian units are conducting assault operations near Masyutovka, which is located 50 km northwest of Svatovo. Our artillery and army aviation worked on units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Kislovka area in the Svatovo-Kremenny direction.

Almost daily reports that the enemy is constantly building up groupings on almost all sectors of the front, allegedly for the offensive, are very similar to the disinformation of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Its purpose may be to pin down our forces on the defensive in order to prevent the transfer to the hottest areas in the DPR or active offensive operations of the RF Armed Forces.

The Ukrainian General Staff in the morning report confirms the offensive actions of the Russian army at once in several areas in the Donetsk and Luhansk directions, reporting that the attacks of the Russian Armed Forces were “repulsed” in the direction of almost a dozen settlements of Donbass.

If Ukrainian propaganda is to be believed, the Russian command has nevertheless begun to implement a plan to eliminate high-ranking security officials of the Kyiv regime. Acting Chairman of the SBU Vasily Malyuk said the day before that an attempt on the life of the head of the Main Intelligence Directorate Kirill Budanov and Defense Minister Alexei Reznikov had allegedly been prevented. Although, all this may be another PR.
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  1. dmi.pris1
    dmi.pris1 22 December 2022 10: 43
    -2
    Positional warfare, nothing new. There are clearly not enough forces for a decisive breakthrough. To hit in the forehead is the death of people.
    1. Diana Ilyina
      Diana Ilyina 22 December 2022 10: 47
      -3
      Tell this to Gerasimov and Surovikin, otherwise they probably don’t know about frontal attacks. And Prigogine, along the way, also did not hear anything about tactics. From the sofa, it is more visible than it should be ... wassat
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        1. Diana Ilyina
          Diana Ilyina 22 December 2022 10: 54
          +10
          And he has only convicts in your opinion? The musicians are mostly professionals, and many of them are of extra class, which is why they fight, God forbid, for everyone. So do not throw at the fan, you personally are not worth these "convicts"!
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            1. antiquity
              antiquity 22 December 2022 11: 23
              +2
              If not difficult, a reference to the law of the Russian Federation, allowing persons serving sentences to participate in the activities of PMCs, which themselves do not have a clear legal status.
              1. AdAstra
                AdAstra 22 December 2022 11: 56
                +5
                Law? Nope, haven't heard laughing "" "" "
            2. Diana Ilyina
              Diana Ilyina 22 December 2022 11: 26
              +4
              Where are the firewood from? Or does Prigozhin personally report to you? Musicians are a closed office and only a select few can know about their number and composition, and you are clearly not one of them.
              You only know how to petty shit on people who are not like you.
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                      2. ABC-schutze
                        ABC-schutze 22 December 2022 14: 17
                        +1
                        But didn’t you “strain” to compare the scale of the ongoing SVO, with the scale of operations, with the participation of PMC Wagner, “before today’s” conflict? .. Talking about “today’s 20 thousand.” and "several thousand" PMC fighters earlier?..
                2. lopvlad
                  lopvlad 23 December 2022 09: 16
                  -1
                  Quote: Aron Zaavi
                  and Mr. Prigozhin is recruiting rapists, murderers and robbers in the Wagner Cheka.


                  the Israeli army consists entirely of such people. And terrorists from all over the world are recovering in Israeli hospitals.
              2. skeptick2
                skeptick2 22 December 2022 12: 26
                0
                Quote: Diana Ilyina
                Musicians are a closed office and only a select few can know about their number and composition

                Those. Are you clearly one of those few chosen ones?
                Where else is the data from? Where does this come from - "Musicians are mostly professionals, and many of them are extra class"?
                Happy for you. I'm glad you speak knowledgeably. Don't repeat TV slogans.
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            4. mikh-korsakov
              mikh-korsakov 22 December 2022 11: 50
              +2
              Are you convinced that 3/4 are prisoners? VS Prigozhin shared information with you, but you can see it better from the couch.
            5. Bolt cutter
              Bolt cutter 22 December 2022 12: 40
              +5
              3/4 are convicts.
              Suspiciously good results are shown by convicts, 9 out of 10 of whom held nothing heavier than a syringe in their hands.
              1. Konnick
                Konnick 23 December 2022 11: 51
                +2
                nothing heavier than a syringe was held in their hands.

                No, they held me, but they shot me in the back




                PMCs have big losses. A shell or mine does not make out "professional" or not. It doesn't get to the shooting range. As Prigogine finally noticed, there are no trenches, but there are communication passages. And the communication moves are for gunners in the artillery defense system, here the gunner with modern observation and fire control devices is a professional trained in NATO countries, and not at PMC bases.
                In the Great Patriotic War, such people were not allowed even close to the front, but they were sent to build Norilsk.
                Well, now it took cannon fodder. This is the second bandit from Saransk in the last two months from near Artemovsk, there were no other deaths from PMCs during this time.
                I don’t want to fight under the command of specialists from PMCs.
                Complement
                We can’t even turn off the connection so that there is no information from gunners and UAVs. Until we fail the connection, we will continue to show heroism "meter by meter" without results.
            6. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 22 December 2022 13: 04
              -2
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              For today? 3/4 are convicts. And professionals either command or in detachments.

              This is Zelensky in the national battalions, only convicts.
            7. ABC-schutze
              ABC-schutze 22 December 2022 14: 12
              0
              Especially...

              If professionals are in command, then no stupid "frontal attacks", moreover, "at any cost", even if "convicts" are subordinate to them ...

              Moreover, in conditions of extremely "shaky" quantitative parity with the enemy, in personnel, in the conduct of offensive operations ...

              For a professional is a professional ...
            8. sadam2
              sadam2 23 December 2022 19: 07
              +3
              They took 20 thousand convicts under arms ... it's like the Kherson group. Although the potential is huge 800 thousand across the country. Yes, and the budget for the FPS will be facilitated. Not as long ago as yesterday, Prigogine mentioned that they would also take women from prisons)))) beauty
          2. Dmitry Tsarevich
            Dmitry Tsarevich 22 December 2022 11: 23
            -1
            So they, the strategists of the mothers, are sitting here from the sofas trying to be clever.
          3. filibuster
            filibuster 22 December 2022 11: 24
            -2
            The musicians are mostly professionals, and many of them are of extra class, which is why they fight, God forbid, for everyone.


            Another hatred, it’s strange that a simple thing doesn’t reach you, the use of PMCs is necessary only when the state wants to distance itself from unpleasant consequences and all claims will be only against PMCs. And the fact that prisoners are recruited in violation of any laws in Russia, they have no legal status, they are not contract soldiers, not military personnel of the Russian Federation, they are officially serving their sentences, according to the documents, I suspect they are on the run, suggests that they are used, regardless of losses, there are no miracles.
            1. begemot20091
              begemot20091 22 December 2022 11: 43
              0
              go away, weirdo. there our guys who served, were in hot spots, retired officers. And ZK- they are no longer ZK. These are the men who redeemed themselves with blood. I have a father-in-law and served as Rokossovsky - he spent almost the entire war next to the penalty box - they were also ZK once. He told me that they fought like hell, as if they were looking for death. Change your hands on the couch, then something will turn in your brain .. In Smolny, too, the same brain twist regarding Menshikov's funeral. It has already reached the State Duma.
              1. filibuster
                filibuster 22 December 2022 12: 09
                0
                I wonder how much you will deny the reality, what does the PMC have to do with the penal companies of the Second World War? You will compare the legislative base, what orders were then, what status the former prisoners received while in the “penal” units, and on the basis of what Prigozhin now gets into the institutions of the Federal Penitentiary Service and recruits prisoners.
                1. begemot20091
                  begemot20091 22 December 2022 23: 05
                  0
                  Do you know what the status of the "penalty boxers" was? Calm down, connoisseur of "not everything and nothing." there were both penal and disciplinary battalions. go to war or at least dig trenches. Prigogine does the right thing. It is possible to return a person to a normal life. And if you're not lucky... The second grenade is his. And there is nothing to smear snot on the keyboard. Let at least all the camps stand near Avdeevka. At least they will die in honor, and not like foreigners who took Lars, Vilnius, Riga with a fight. With this one grenade = in the anal, so that the start is louder. There is no benefit from them, they still worked abroad. So let them stay there - close the return entrance for them. Cancel Russian passports right at the border and... Back, let them train on the mountain slopes and sands of Jurmala
            2. Askold65
              Askold65 22 December 2022 13: 17
              0
              Quote from: filibuster
              And the fact that prisoners are recruited in violation of any laws in Russia, they have no legal status, they are not contract soldiers, not military personnel of the Russian Federation,

              They are recruited into PMCs that do not have official status, and not into state structures.
              Would you like to trade places with them? They are back behind bars, as unworthy, and you, such a righteous man, in the trenches dug by them.

              Quote from: filibuster
              officially they are serving their sentences, according to the documents I suspect they are on the run, says that they are used, regardless of losses, miracles do not happen.

              Keep your suspicions as unfounded. From myself I will say that this is a kind of unofficial amnesty for criminals. And not on the occasion of a memorable date, immediately to freedom, but to the area of ​​​​combat operations, into the very inferno. With an unpredictable ending.
              1. filibuster
                filibuster 22 December 2022 13: 46
                -1
                They are back behind bars, as unworthy, and you, such a righteous man, in the trenches dug by them.


                Find me a word in condemning the prisoners themselves?

                They are recruited into PMCs that do not have official status, and not into state structures.
                Keep your suspicions as unfounded. From myself I will say that this is a kind of unofficial amnesty for criminals. And not on the occasion of a memorable date, immediately to freedom, but to the area of ​​​​combat operations, into the very inferno. With an unpredictable ending.


                Do you hear at all? The state unofficially gives an amnesty in general, what is it, apparently this is how states collapse when anarchy begins to operate.
                I repeat once again, since you apparently have problems with the perception of the text, I did not condemn either the moral or other qualities of the prisoners, or the professionalism of the entire PMC in general, I just think that such an absolutely illegitimate status of prisoners allows them to be used in any way, even to disassemble and I doubt the humanism of PMCs, it was not for this that they went in collusion with the authorities / the Kremlin to such an openly cognizable case.
                1. Askold65
                  Askold65 22 December 2022 15: 44
                  0
                  Quote from: filibuster
                  Find me a word in condemning the prisoners themselves?

                  And find at least a word from me in condemning you for condemning the prisoners themselves. In your condemnations, you are pushing the idea that the state illegally attracts convicts to participate in hostilities in the conflict zone and thus urge them to return to the legal field - to return the ZK back to jail. And I answer you that this is a kind of "deal with justice" - either sit on, or try to atone for your guilt at the risk of your life. Because righteous people condemning the state, like you, do not want to go into the trenches.


                  Quote from: filibuster
                  The state unofficially gives an amnesty in general, what is it, apparently this is how states collapse when anarchy begins to operate.

                  States collapse for a different reason - as a result of the DEGRADATION of the elites and the society they lead, mutually mired in spiritual, political and moral decay. Anarchy begins to operate when the state, as a capable structure, collapsed in principle.

                  Quote from: filibuster
                  I repeat once again, since you apparently have problems with the perception of the text, I did not condemn either the moral or other qualities of the prisoners, or the professionalism of the entire PMC in general, I just think that such an absolutely illegitimate status of prisoners allows them to be used in any way,

                  This is your problem with the perception of the reality of what is happening. There is a war, and in war all means are good (naturally, they do not go beyond the limits where war crimes begin).
                  Quote from: filibuster
                  ..... at least to disassemble the organs and I doubt the humanism of PMCs, it’s not for this that they went in collusion with the authorities / the Kremlin to such an openly jurisdictional case.

                  And this is another liberal nonsense from the same series
                  officially they are serving a sentence, according to the documents I suspect they are on the run,

                  Here, infa comes on the net that the organs are being sorted out by the "invaders of Ukraine", and the corpses are burned in mobile crematoria carefully provided by Western partners. And the atrocities that they are doing against the population of Donbass generally amount to military and criminal offenses under the most serious articles.
                2. begemot20091
                  begemot20091 22 December 2022 23: 09
                  0
                  The state unofficially gives an amnesty in general, what is it, apparently this is how states collapse when anarchy begins to operate.
                  Anarchy begins when the constables mow down from the army, run to foreign countries and then from there they spit in the back of MEN - real men. All-Russian diarrhea begins with them, which fills the ranks of the Yabloko and Yabloko
            3. ABC-schutze
              ABC-schutze 22 December 2022 15: 34
              -3
              "And the fact that prisoners are recruited in violation of any laws in Russia, they have no legal status, they are not contract soldiers, not military personnel of the Russian Federation, they are officially serving their sentences, according to the documents, I suspect they are on the run, ..."
              ************************************************** ****************************************
              Outright heresy voiced ...

              Firstly, convicts are by no means enrolled in PMCs "in all respects."

              Secondly, service with a weapon in hand implies the presence of a permit for its carrying and use (use). What is for a subject retaining the status of a "prisoner", i.e. of a person who is in a place of serving a sentence with deprivation of liberty, it is impossible ...

              Thirdly, permission to leave the place of deprivation of liberty is given by the Federal Penitentiary Service, which thereby assumes the SUBSEQUENT LEGAL RESPONSIBILITY, and not by "Prigozhin" (he only selects and proposes candidates ...), in compliance with ALL CURRENT laws of the Russian Federation. And on completely LEGAL terms, mitigation of punishment or parole, with full compliance with the conditions ...

              Fifth, PURE LEGAL, the so-called. "convicts" - "musicians", participate in the database in the Donbass and NOVOROSSIYA (and these are LEGALLY Russian territories ...), DE JURE, take part in the armed repulse of aggression and the expulsion of the aggressor from these territories. That NO Russian "law", even citizens in places of deprivation of liberty, IN PRINCIPLE, is "not forbidden" to do. For example, no one "forbade" prisoners, even in their "status", to join the partisans, on
              Soviet territories temporarily occupied by the Nazis during the Great Patriotic War. If their colonies, prisons, incl. and transit or "stages" were abandoned by personnel or destroyed by the enemy ...
              1. filibuster
                filibuster 22 December 2022 15: 41
                -1
                Firstly, convicts are by no means enrolled in PMCs "in all respects."

                Secondly, service with a weapon in hand implies the presence of a permit for its carrying and use (use). What is for a subject retaining the status of a "prisoner", i.e. of a person who is in a place of serving a sentence with deprivation of liberty, it is impossible ...

                Thirdly, permission to leave the place of deprivation of liberty is given by the Federal Penitentiary Service, which thereby assumes the SUBSEQUENT LEGAL RESPONSIBILITY, and not by "Prigozhin" (he only selects and proposes candidates ...), in compliance with ALL CURRENT laws of the Russian Federation. And on completely LEGAL terms, mitigation of punishment or parole, with full compliance with the conditions ...


                Well, I say complete anarchy.
                1. begemot20091
                  begemot20091 22 December 2022 23: 14
                  +1
                  Uncle, where did you study, which Ukrainian school? There are 4 errors in one line. Go, don't dishonor "GREAT AND MIGHTY". And don't forget the Primer with you, anarchist. You will learn the letters, you will read Kropotkin. Learn something useful about anarchy.
                2. ABC-schutze
                  ABC-schutze 23 December 2022 12: 43
                  +1
                  Alas, until YOU "say" absolutely nothing ...

                  In any case, in response to my post, you did not give a single, intelligible counterargument. And your emotions and "suspicions" do not "roll" for them ... So-called. The "convicts" of PMC "Wager" may have an unexpunged conviction, but the conditions for serving their sentence imposed by the court can be changed in a proper way. For example, at the request of the administration, they were softened from being in places of deprivation of liberty to being outside them, under the supervision of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. With the appropriate behavior of the convict and his sincere repentance and desire to embark on the path of correction. This is just a fact...

                  And the presence of a "convict" in the PMC "Wagner", operating (I emphasize this ...) on the RUSSIAN territory of Donbass, Novorossia, Crimea, Kherson, Zaporozhye, etc., etc., accounting and supervision of him bodies of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia, does not interfere in the least ... In any case, claims from the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia, on this subject, nor the so-called. "zekam", nor PMC "Wagner", in which they are located, did not speak out ...

                  For this, no laws of Russia, no one, in this case, does not violate. Everything is legal and correct...
          4. for
            for 22 December 2022 12: 46
            +3
            Quote: Diana Ilyina
            The musicians are mostly professionals, and many of them are extra class, which is why they fight, God forbid everyone

            And why are they not mobilized and not in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation?
            1. ABC-schutze
              ABC-schutze 23 December 2022 12: 53
              0
              Yes, because the conviction, despite the LEGAL change for them, at the request of the administration of the places of punishment, the CONDITIONS of serving the sentence, has not been removed ...


              And persons with an unexpunged criminal record cannot serve in any of the so-called. "power" structures of Russia (Armed Forces, Ministry of Internal Affairs, SVR, FSB, etc.) ...

              And the law of Russia, at the same time, does not prohibit them from participating, as CITIZENS of Russia, in the armed defense of the territory of Russia, when the conditions for serving sentences are changed for them ...
        2. Ivan Ivanov
          Ivan Ivanov 22 December 2022 11: 01
          +4
          This is h.o.h.l.a.m. meat is not a pity, behind them are slightly more valuable Poles, Balts and other Eastern European material, our people have a limited resource. I do not think that Prigogine or Surovikin does not understand this.
        3. Alex Nevs
          Alex Nevs 22 December 2022 11: 13
          0
          I don't even think about it. Psole "Mariupol we are not welcome .... Mariupol we are not welcome .... Mariupol we are not welcome ....". Or doubt?
        4. isv000
          isv000 22 December 2022 20: 58
          0
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          And he does not feel sorry for the convicts. Even if he puts everyone down, but the city takes it, no one will say a word to him.

          They were convicts in a past life. Now the survivors are highly professional fighters who made their right choice, abandoning the blue zone in favor of valor at the front. Even if you don't understand it...
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 22 December 2022 21: 56
            -3
            Quote: isv000
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            And he does not feel sorry for the convicts. Even if he puts everyone down, but the city takes it, no one will say a word to him.

            They were convicts in a past life. Now the survivors are highly professional fighters who made their right choice, abandoning the blue zone in favor of valor at the front. Even if you don't understand it...

            Well, you, too, probably do not understand the feelings of people in whom these "fighters" killed, maimed, raped someone, and they see them not in the zone, but with medals and machine guns.
      2. glock-17
        glock-17 22 December 2022 10: 53
        -1
        Could skip lessons on tactics.
      3. dmi.pris1
        dmi.pris1 22 December 2022 10: 54
        -2
        yes It seems that it’s not that they don’t know about frontal attacks, but moreover, they don’t know what to do next ..
        1. Diana Ilyina
          Diana Ilyina 22 December 2022 10: 57
          -3
          Well, you certainly know how to do it, so go tell me, in our army everything is go * ota, you alone are d'Artagnan ... laughing
          1. glock-17
            glock-17 22 December 2022 11: 15
            +2
            It seems that only one Naryshkin had at least some idea before the start of the NWO what awaits us there. Yes, but his pathetic performance did not affect anyone. Though I had to think. And now nobody knows anything. We need a new Zhukov - a crisis manager, not to be confused with an effective one.
            1. isv000
              isv000 22 December 2022 21: 04
              -1
              Quote: Glock-17
              And now nobody knows anything. We need a new Zhukov - a crisis manager, not to be confused with an effective one.

              After the Victory, the world will receive a reformed, highly equipped and trained army of Russia! Meet the bitches Papa!!!
          2. dmi.pris1
            dmi.pris1 22 December 2022 11: 35
            +2
            I know for sure that people can simply run out of steam like that. And it will be like under Izyum and Krasny Liman, when the Armed Forces of Ukraine pull up fresh forces and strike.
            1. AdAstra
              AdAstra 22 December 2022 11: 58
              +2
              Well, you were told above about Gerasimov and Surovikin, so "everything is according to plan" hi
            2. isv000
              isv000 22 December 2022 21: 05
              -1
              Quote: dmi.pris
              I know for sure that people can simply run out of steam like that. And it will be like under Izyum and Krasny Liman, when the Armed Forces of Ukraine pull up fresh forces and strike.

              Your suspenders are going to burst!..
      4. Asad
        Asad 22 December 2022 10: 56
        +7
        And where did Prigogine learn the art of war? On the zone or in the restaurant? Why are Wagner and volunteers sent to the hottest spots? Because Shoigu will not report on their deaths on TV. And I don’t believe that the attacking side suffers less losses.
        1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
          Sergey Aleksandrovich 22 December 2022 11: 39
          -4
          To believe or not to believe is your choice. And the massive use of fire weapons can significantly reduce the losses of the attackers. There are many examples of this, even in the history of the Great Patriotic War.
      5. Trapp1st
        Trapp1st 22 December 2022 11: 01
        -1
        From the sofa, it is more visible than it should be ... wassat
        How do you know that Gerasimov and Surovikin are on the couch now? unless of course you are with them)) From each according to his abilities ...)
    2. Sniper
      Sniper 22 December 2022 10: 57
      +9
      I confess I am a sinner .. educate the difference in understanding of words. In the "surroundings", and on the "outskirts"! What is the difference?
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 22 December 2022 13: 08
        +1
        Quote: Sniper
        In the "surroundings", and on the "outskirts"! What is the difference?

        In the "neighborhoods" there are Russians, and in the "outskirts" there are Ukrainians.
        1. Sniper
          Sniper 22 December 2022 13: 35
          +8
          Thank you! So are they two different concepts?
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 22 December 2022 13: 42
            -1
            Quote: Sniper
            Thank you! So these are two different concepts?

            Previously no, but now yes.
    3. Trapp1st
      Trapp1st 22 December 2022 11: 00
      +8
      Positional warfare, nothing new
      This is not a positional and not a war, this is debelism. There were no civilians left in Artemovsk, Artemovsk itself was almost gone, why go there in general, storm something, incur losses? Burn everything to hell...
      1. AdAstra
        AdAstra 22 December 2022 11: 59
        +4
        Taken straight off the tongue. """"
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 22 December 2022 13: 09
          +1
          Quote from AdAstra
          Directly removed from the tongue.

          Even though I'm on the couch, I support.
    4. krex pax
      krex pax 22 December 2022 12: 21
      -4
      On the Internet, I met two more or less acceptable explanations for such a strategy. First, the stupid grinding of enemy forces to the point of inflicting unacceptable losses or to the refusal of Western countries to supply Ukraine. In this case, the process will stretch for years, a military victory and a change in the government of Ukraine are possible. Second, it is the stabilization of the front and the systematic destruction of the economy of Ukraine by missile strikes. As a result, the West will force Zelensky to sit down at the negotiating table.
      1. fax66
        fax66 22 December 2022 12: 54
        0
        krex pax (crex pax)

        IMHO Absolutely for sure, only these are not two explanations of the strategy, but this is the strategy that the General Staff is apparently following now.
        And I even think that, judging by his speeches, the President drove him into this framework with his demands (restrictions). I won’t be surprised if Shoigu is forced to approve the list of targets for each massive raid of the Kyrgyz Republic and drones from the GDP.
    5. Alexey G
      Alexey G 22 December 2022 15: 05
      -1
      There is clearly not enough strength for a decisive breakthrough. To hit on the forehead is the death of people.

      I guess it's not really an assault, but tying fights. In Judo, there is such a tactic when wrestlers fight for a hold and each of them interferes with the opponent with their active actions. The point is not to throw, but simply to prevent the opponent from doing so.
      We push a little, but do not completely break the enemy.
      Putin is waiting. The army is not yet ready for a big war, because NATO is behind the kukarina and we must understand that if we overturn everything, we will face Poland, Romania, Lithuania and Estonia, and then the Chukhonians with the Norwegians and so on. And they have a network of centric forces, because it's not APU but NATO.
  2. Zhopir Tumanov
    Zhopir Tumanov 22 December 2022 10: 49
    +5
    This is why on the maps of the Donetsk region, along with Russian names, Ukrainian names are also given, although in the same Crimea they are not? What Yandex cal
    1. Quote Lavrov
      Quote Lavrov 22 December 2022 10: 53
      -3
      And what should Yandex do with the names of streets temporarily occupied by Ukraine?
      Come up with new names for them? Well, you see, this is not serious and even stupid.
      This is not the authority of Yandex. And state sites simply do not indicate the names of such streets at all.
      Well, this problem will not be solved until we regain these cities and towns.
      1. Zhopir Tumanov
        Zhopir Tumanov 22 December 2022 10: 57
        +1
        Are Donetsk and Lugansk occupied by Ukruina?
        1. Quote Lavrov
          Quote Lavrov 22 December 2022 11: 06
          +6
          Are you serious about this nonsense?
          Just on duplicated street names???
          Well then, you can turn around on the Moscow metro map - it’s still duplicated in English - just some kind of horror!
          I thought that you were talking about Kherson, for example, where in the Russian regional center on the maps of the Russian authorities there were streets like "heroes of the ato" and so on. (I can be mistaken that it was with Kherson that this problem was, but the point is not in the name of the city - the story is well-known and our state sites had to simply delete the name of part of the streets and now they are just nameless)
  3. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 22 December 2022 10: 49
    -1
    In general, the meaning of the storming of the city is little understood from the couch. Why not surround him?

    As for the elimination of leaders, work must be done at the middle level, not at the highest level. On the subordinates of these leaders, roughly speaking.
    And it is very strange that local crime is not involved. Dark web bounty is an obvious thing.
  4. Ivan Ivanov
    Ivan Ivanov 22 December 2022 10: 51
    +2
    But can't these houses with firing points be demolished, block by block? Or are we picking out rats one by one?
    1. Rustic
      Rustic 22 December 2022 11: 13
      0
      It looks like it can't. More precisely, it is prohibited. Apparently afraid that it turns out that soon there will be nothing to demolish. And then it’s like with a warrior, on paper there are all sorts of weapons, but touch it - in fact ... Villas and yachts. Well, you can call on the people at least a million more, who will count them? Look, the Wagnerites have already been written down as prisoners, as if they are not at all sorry. Soon they will say the same about the mobilized, "since the country somehow manages without them, then these are superfluous people, there is nothing to pity them."
    2. krex pax
      krex pax 22 December 2022 11: 48
      +2
      Well, most likely they will work as in Mariupol. The movement of the assault groups meets resistance, fire is called, everything that is possible is taken out, then further movement. And so house after house. Only there is a big difference. Mariupol was surrounded. While replenishment will come to Bakhmut and ammunition will not be taken. Of course, you can take it, but it will be a long and bloody process. Just in the end we get some ruins and the next line of defense
    3. SergLivi
      SergLivi 23 December 2022 14: 30
      +1
      What quarter after quarter! In Artemovsk, for several months, they allegedly got hooked on the outskirts, a small street in a private building with a couple of dozens of huts. Somehow the tongue does not dare to call this an offensive.
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 22 December 2022 10: 52
    +5
    This is an assault group attack. German tactics during the First World War. And she did bear fruit. The Germans lost the First World War in the rear.
    1. Fisherman
      Fisherman 22 December 2022 10: 59
      +4
      it appears to be more efficient. Although for me it's more practical to surround and strangle. Moreover, the Clown was in the States, and he flew from Poland through Germany, Zaluzhny in Poland - but on the "farm"? Apparently, the specialists are right - all their "government" and "command" are sitting in Rzeszow ... they could have already flown to London, but the owners are not letting go yet. Over disrupting the command and control system of the Armed Forces of Ukraine - the results will be almost immediately.
    2. solar
      solar 22 December 2022 12: 33
      +4
      In World War I, some of the success of the tactics of small assault groups among the Germans was determined by the fact that the average infantryman of that time was little adapted to close combat. A hand-loaded rifle with a long bayonet the size of a saber or sword, the heavy machine gun - a typical weapon of the time - was suitable for fighting against dense enemy groups at a distance, against cavalry or in oncoming bayonet fighting in close ranks in an open field.
      In a trench or urban area, all this created problems in close combat and did not provide the necessary density of fire. When creating assault groups, the Germans armed them with relatively short carbines, bayonets and trench knives, a Luger pistol, sometimes with a large magazine, hand grenades, light machine guns in some cases. Improved both protection and equipment - knees, elbows, helmet, ammunition. The capabilities of attack aircraft have increased dramatically.
      Assault teams have become much more effective than regular infantry in close combat.
      This explains to a large extent the success of their actions. The classic case is that the specialized is more effective than the universal.
      But now the time is different. The high density of fire due to the saturation of all sides with automatic weapons sharply reduces the capabilities of assault groups. In fact, both sides are armed in the same way, only one is in the trench, and the other is on the offensive. As a result, now it’s not actually assault groups, but continuous reconnaissance in combat to identify targets for heavy weapons.
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 22 December 2022 15: 30
        -2
        Quote from solar
        In fact, both sides are armed in the same way, only one is in the trench, and the other is on the offensive. As a result, now it’s not actually assault groups, but continuous reconnaissance in combat to identify targets for heavy weapons.

        The Wagnerites don't act like that. There is a movie they shot - "Best in Hell". You can see how they work in the building. It is difficult for heavy weapons to operate when there is a "dagger distance" between the parties. And with deep breakthroughs and the environment - their own problems. there is no required number of troops. otherwise, the breakthrough is cut off by flank fire and ... And ours are not ready to put a lot of soldiers in such offensives. Using the advantages in artillery, we lay down 10 enemies for one of ours - and these are a pity, but better than one to one?
        1. solar
          solar 22 December 2022 18: 45
          +1
          The Wagnerites don't act like that.

          I wrote how
          now not actually assault groups, but continuous reconnaissance in combat to identify targets for heavy weapons.
  6. svp67
    svp67 22 December 2022 10: 56
    +6
    One of the commanders of the assault group of "musicians" says that the difficulty of taking Bakhmut lies in the fact that the Russian military has to go down to the city, which is located in a lowland, along a well-shootable slope. Despite the difficulties, some groups are already hooked, the assault on the city will continue until it is completely taken.

    Honestly, the meaning of such a capture of this city is not entirely clear ... I understand the desire of the Ukrainians to hold the city, but why don't ours go on the offensive from Kurdyumovka to Chasoy Yar? That is, they would move along the hill, covering Bakhmut-Artemovsk, which would be perfectly visible in the lowland
    1. Zhopir Tumanov
      Zhopir Tumanov 22 December 2022 11: 04
      +1
      And where did you get the idea that they are not moving anywhere from Kurdyumovka? The battles for the city itself probably have the goal of shackling and diverting the forces of the enemy
      1. svp67
        svp67 22 December 2022 11: 07
        +2
        Quote: Zhopir Tumanov
        The battles for the city itself probably have the goal of fettering and diverting the forces of the enemy

        The enemy is clearly showing his stupidity here. It is difficult to come up with a better "fire bag" than the city of Bakhmut-Artemovsk in this situation. Launch the enemy there and shoot him with artillery fire, which is on the way, that in the city itself, controlling all this from the dominant heights around the city. Look at the topographic map, everything is visible there, and I don’t understand why we climb there ... what is there in this Bakhmut-Artemovsk. What are the forces of assault units spent on?
    2. oleg-nekrasov-19
      oleg-nekrasov-19 22 December 2022 11: 14
      +3
      They also gradually go in the direction of Chasoy Yar. To date, they have occupied the eastern outskirts of Kleshcheevka, in the north-west of Kleshcheevka, a powerful fortified Armed Forces of Ukraine. Of course, they were preparing, because Artemovsk is a key city, they dug in in every village, so they pick it out. And in Artemovsk, there is simply a fettering of enemy reserves in battle. It's my personal opinion.
      1. svp67
        svp67 22 December 2022 11: 24
        +1
        Quote: oleg-nekrasov-19
        To date, they have occupied the eastern outskirts of Kleshcheevka, in the north-west of Kleshcheevka - a powerful fortification of the Armed Forces

        Yes, Kleshchevka is somehow aside, there is a direct path from Kurdyumovka to Chasovoy Yar
        1. oleg-nekrasov-19
          oleg-nekrasov-19 22 December 2022 11: 43
          +2
          I also looked at the map, I saw that it’s closer from Kurdyumovka, maybe they don’t want Kleshcheevka to remain “cleaned up”, who knows, I think they know better there on the spot, I graduated from the academy a long time ago when it was still named after Frunze, so nothing I can’t say new trends, new tactics and strategy, the active use of modern means of fire destruction in each sector.
      2. SergLivi
        SergLivi 23 December 2022 14: 21
        0
        That's when Artemovsk became a hub? It wasn't and isn't. Especially now.
    3. SergLivi
      SergLivi 23 December 2022 14: 24
      0
      Something interferes with such a dancer. If you attack from above, then the slope from below is shot through. If you advance uphill, then everything is shot from the mountain. That is, there is a reason in any situation.
  7. Dmitriy22
    Dmitriy22 22 December 2022 10: 58
    +1
    Is the use of tear gas in the NWO permissible? An opponent who has difficulty breathing and watery eyes is a much less difficult opponent. I think so!
  8. Jsem_CZEKO68
    Jsem_CZEKO68 22 December 2022 11: 00
    0
    Nechápu úsilí Ukrajinských vojáků, proč se tak drží mlýnku na maso. Jako by měl Bandera v Bachmutu zakopanou tunu zlata.
    1. Jsem_CZEKO68
      Jsem_CZEKO68 22 December 2022 11: 00
      +2
      I do not understand the efforts of the Ukrainian soldiers, why they cling to the meat grinder. As if Bandera had a ton of gold buried in Bakhmut.
      1. Asad
        Asad 22 December 2022 11: 05
        +8
        They defend their homeland, every square meter, 80 years ago, our grandfathers also defended from the Nazis. And now we're tearing each other's throats.
        1. Jsem_CZEKO68
          Jsem_CZEKO68 22 December 2022 11: 12
          +1
          Ano, je to moc smutné, že Slované poslouchají Ameriku, abychom se navzájem povraždili. Proc nejsme chytrí jako oni?
          1. Jsem_CZEKO68
            Jsem_CZEKO68 22 December 2022 11: 13
            +1
            Yes, it is very sad that the Slavs listen to how America kills each other. Why are we not as smart as they are?
        2. Alex Nevs
          Alex Nevs 22 December 2022 16: 37
          -3
          Homeland is yours! They protect someone else's and for other people's money.
      2. Alex Nevs
        Alex Nevs 22 December 2022 11: 15
        +2
        They were told so ... Goebbels mouthpiece .. They believe. They will not be shown or told otherwise. This is called a zombie
  9. fax66
    fax66 22 December 2022 11: 01
    +5
    Do we still have a General Staff? Or was he also "reorganized" to a state of complete incapacity?
    Months-long assault on Melitopol, we take every town, town and village after many days, weeks, months of stubborn battles ... And we perceive each occupied farm as a significant victory. Is this the work of the General Staff? Planning to take over villages? Or a couple of times a month to set targets for more or less massive strikes by CD and kamikaze drones? Do dozens of strategists-generals sit in Moscow for this?
    I apologize in advance to everyone, maybe I'm wrong, but this is the view of a person from the outside - the Ukrainian General Staff can be credited with the Kupyansk-Izyum operation, the return to Kherson and something else.
    And do not shout what it cost in "human resources" - they use the ideology and those methods that they can.
    And we cannot use the advantage in armaments at all !!!! Our strategy is to release hundreds of tons of shells, missiles, etc. and work in small groups of 10 people in the villages.
    Yes, this is also a strategy... But is the General Staff needed for this? And then be prepared for a long-term, protracted SVO to the last Ukrainian, to the last mercenary and Nazi (count when they end in the world).
    IMHO, now our everything is waiting. We are now the Waiters. I just don’t know what ... Maybe the General Staff knows?
    1. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 22 December 2022 11: 16
      +1
      And you are fast ... and funny in one bottle ... Probably catch fleas?
      1. fax66
        fax66 22 December 2022 12: 16
        0
        And you, judging by the review, brake and dull? Perhaps a builder?
    2. Stas157
      Stas157 22 December 2022 11: 20
      -1
      I agree with you.

      Quote: fax66
      And we perceive each busy farm as a significant victory. Is this the work of the General Staff? Planning to take over villages?

      And why is Artemovsk needed at all! There are already ruins. Is it possible to bypass it and move on? I can’t figure out the strategic plan of our General Staff! The strong impression that it does not exist at all.
  10. Chem1st
    Chem1st 22 December 2022 11: 11
    +3
    Quote: Sancho_SP
    In general, the meaning of the storming of the city is little understood from the couch. Why not surround him?

    The VFU defense system is built, as I understand it, as a system of strong points. From such a strong point it is convenient to defend against attacks from several directions at once, as well as to counterattack in several directions. That is, when our troops try to encircle the city, there is a high risk of receiving a series of flank attacks that can cut the advancing units into several isolated groups, which, in turn, is fraught with their blocking and destruction. IMHO, of course. And for a front-line offensive operation, apparently, l / s and heavy equipment are not enough ...
  11. break_beats
    break_beats 22 December 2022 11: 15
    -2
    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    Quote: Diana Ilyina
    Tell this to Gerasimov and Surovikin, otherwise they probably don’t know about frontal attacks. And Prigogine, along the way, also did not hear anything about tactics. From the sofa, it is more visible than it should be ... wassat

    And he does not feel sorry for the convicts. Even if he puts everyone down, but the city takes it, no one will say a word to him.


    I am aware of the swoop - with the fundamental agreement concluded by all - they go as attack aircraft. This is their choice and a chance to redeem themselves. Therefore, these snots are not needed here, happy whining good
  12. Void
    Void 22 December 2022 11: 15
    +2
    Why not just stupidly cover the entire perimeter with something like fab-1500?
  13. break_beats
    break_beats 22 December 2022 11: 17
    -3
    Quote: fax66
    Do we still have a General Staff? Or was he also "reorganized" to a state of complete incapacity?
    Months-long assault on Melitopol, we take every town, town and village after many days, weeks, months of stubborn battles ... And we perceive each occupied farm as a significant victory. Is this the work of the General Staff? Planning to take over villages? Or a couple of times a month to set targets for more or less massive strikes by CD and kamikaze drones? Do dozens of strategists-generals sit in Moscow for this?
    I apologize in advance to everyone, maybe I'm wrong, but this is the view of a person from the outside - the Ukrainian General Staff can be credited with the Kupyansk-Izyum operation, the return to Kherson and something else.
    And do not shout what it cost in "human resources" - they use the ideology and those methods that they can.
    And we cannot use the advantage in armaments at all !!!! Our strategy is to release hundreds of tons of shells, missiles, etc. and work in small groups of 10 people in the villages.
    Yes, this is also a strategy... But is the General Staff needed for this? And then be prepared for a long-term, protracted SVO to the last Ukrainian, to the last mercenary and Nazi (count when they end in the world).
    IMHO, now our everything is waiting. We are now the Waiters. I just don’t know what ... Maybe the General Staff knows?


    Forward to study at the Academy of the General Staff, we are waiting for you at the post of Gerasimov or Surovikin. You will show me how to make history! good
    1. Trapp1st
      Trapp1st 22 December 2022 11: 24
      0
      Forward to study at the Academy of the General Staff, we are waiting for you at the post of Gerasimov or Surovikin.
      Who are you waiting for, Gerasimov or Surovikin does not care, there are no places and no budget.
    2. Stas157
      Stas157 22 December 2022 11: 24
      +2
      Quote from breakin_beats
      we are waiting for you at the post of Gerasimov or Surovikin

      And how did these gentlemen show themselves?
      Put any officer in their place - it definitely won't be worse.
    3. fax66
      fax66 22 December 2022 12: 20
      0
      breakin_beats (Breakin Flaps)

      Those. the meaning of your post is to stick your tongue in .... and do not interfere with the professional military to do their important work?
      Well - this is also an understandable position, especially when absolutely nothing worries you and does not concern you in any way ...
  14. break_beats
    break_beats 22 December 2022 11: 22
    -1
    Quote: Stas157
    I agree with you.

    Quote: fax66
    And we perceive each busy farm as a significant victory. Is this the work of the General Staff? Planning to take over villages?

    And why is Artemovsk needed at all! There are already ruins. Is it possible to bypass it and move on? I can’t figure out the strategic plan of our General Staff! The strong impression that it does not exist at all.


    From the sofa, you are unlikely to unravel the plan of the General Staff drinks
  15. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 22 December 2022 11: 29
    0
    Quote: Aron Zaavi
    And professionals either command or in detachments.
    This is what a citizen from Israel gave out, especially about detachments. The worst thing is that a Jew is posting for Bandera trying to sling mud at Wagner.
  16. mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 22 December 2022 11: 31
    0
    "Almost daily reports that the enemy is constantly building up groupings in almost all sectors of the front, supposedly for the offensive, are very similar to the disinformation of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Its purpose may be to pin down our forces on the defensive..."? I have a question for the author. Why does our General Staff build its work on the basis of "daily reports" and not on the analysis of objective data? But that's okay. It's bitter to realize otherwise. Ukraine is doing in Donetsk what it wants. Even Rogozin birthday was spoiled. They refer to the fact that the enemy created a highly echeloned defense around Donetsk. However, I have before my eyes two examples of the breakthrough of the Red Army of the Mannerheim line in the winter of 1940 and in June 1944. It must be taken into account that the terrain on the Karelian Isthmus is beneficial for defense, and unprofitable for the offensive - forests, lakes, and swamps. But even in 1940, even with all the problems at that time, the Red Army broke through the defenses in a month and a half, and in 1944 in general in a week. How is it? The fact that the whole world is helping Ukraine does not convince me.The Finns were supplied with weapons from England and France, in the diplomatic plan the USSR was expelled from the League of Nations.
    1. skeptick2
      skeptick2 22 December 2022 12: 42
      -1
      Quote: mikh-korsakov
      I have before my eyes two examples of the breakthrough of the Red Army of the Mannerheim line

      Do you specify the number of corpses, the number of wounded and frostbite?
      Not every victory is a victory. Sometimes it is pyrrhic.
      1. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 22 December 2022 15: 05
        0
        I clarify, according to Krivosheev, "Russia and the USSR in the wars of the twentieth century." The losses of the Red Army in the Vyborg operation on June 10-20, 1944, which ended with the capture of Vyborg, amounted to: irretrievable 6018 people, sanitary 24011 people. Your sarcasm is inappropriate - there were no frostbite in June. These losses are comparable to the published losses in the Northern Military District, but on the other hand, Finland received such a blow from which it did not crawl out, but at the present time, apart from gestures, we have nothing that would allow us to hope for victory. Problems in the Red Army in 1940 were due to the fact that the command staff of the army was almost completely cut out in 1937-1938. But where to get new ones, their upbringing and training took time? Although there were exceptions - Zhukov. At present, no one has repressed our command, but no victory, even a Pyrrhic one, is in sight.
  17. gromit
    gromit 22 December 2022 11: 32
    +9
    "The difficulty of taking Bakhmut lies in the fact that the Russian military has to go down to the city, which is located in a lowland, along a well-shootable slope"

    And the difficulty of taking Ugledar is that you have to climb a well-shootable slope.

    The main difficulty in achieving the goals of the NMD is that Ukraine is not flat and they shoot there.
    Our politicians and generals were not ready for this.
    Ukrainians have no idea about modern warfare, where is biathlon? Where is the air darts? Where are the parades after all?

    Crawled into their ugly trenches and shoot. Savages.
  18. faterdom
    faterdom 22 December 2022 11: 33
    -1
    Prigozhin turned to Navalny about helping the former "candidate for president", as well as the former Russian nationalist, personally participate and atone.
    The seriously poisoned Novichok has not yet responded, because "on the Kolchak fronts he is wounded" and a white ticket is supposed to ...
    Yes, and I think it's better to sit. And then he will see where the sledgehammer is and get dirty.
  19. IvanR
    IvanR 22 December 2022 11: 34
    -2
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    This is an assault group attack. German tactics during the First World War. And she did bear fruit. The Germans lost the First World War in the rear.

    And what are the losses in manpower during such attacks by assault groups? ..
  20. break_beats
    break_beats 22 December 2022 11: 36
    -3
    Quote: faterdom
    Prigozhin turned to Navalny about helping the former "candidate for president", as well as the former Russian nationalist, personally participate and atone.
    The seriously poisoned Novichok has not yet responded, because "on the Kolchak fronts he is wounded" and a white ticket is supposed to ...
    Yes, and I think it's better to sit. And then he will see where the sledgehammer is and get dirty.


    In fact, this is a great chance for Navalny to show that he is for Russia drinks
  21. Horon
    Horon 22 December 2022 11: 38
    +5
    Assault groups of PMC "Wagner" meter by meter are moving deeper into Artemovsk

    Yes, yes, meter by meter for what month. Look, the other day Zelya allegedly came to him, and it’s hard to refute, because “meter by meter”, but Artyomovsk is under dill, and we can only talk about meters. Maybe stop writing nonsense and report on the fact of settlements cleared of dill, and even then, only if you manage to keep them?
    So far, all the information about the state of affairs in the frontier zone can fit in one phrase: "the situation in the combat zone is stable" and even then, if we do not take into account the increasing shelling of adjacent territories. No.
    1. AdAstra
      AdAstra 22 December 2022 12: 06
      +3
      We take meter for meters, "regroup" in kilometers.
      1. Horon
        Horon 22 December 2022 12: 25
        -1
        Quote from AdAstra
        We take meter for meters, "regroup" in kilometers.

        These are military operations, and if the opponents are proportionate, then this is a completely natural process. Tiring idleness from all sides, especially when there is nothing behind what was said, except for subsequent explanations in the style of "I couldn't, and I shouldn't have!" The power turned out to be unprincipled and unprincipled leaders, surrounded by people-weathervanes with whom it is convenient for them to work.
  22. RoTTor
    RoTTor 22 December 2022 13: 08
    -1
    If instead of the mediocre and sabotage Defense Ministry and General Staff put PMCs, maybe there will be more sense?
    It is not clear, however, how a private army, in terms of its legality and how, for example, its planes are arced or squeezed out, and how they pay for the use of airfields, airfield facilities, guidance systems, RTV, etc.
    PMC does not have a nuclear submarine yet?
  23. Zik256x
    Zik256x 22 December 2022 13: 19
    -1
    Quote: Aron Zaavi
    For today? 3/4 are convicts

    Well, straight 3/4 laughing , and you apparently work there in the personnel department? lol
  24. VladimirNET
    VladimirNET 22 December 2022 15: 45
    0
    Quote from starina
    If it’s not hard, a link to the law of the Russian Federation, allowing persons serving sentences to participate in the activities of PMCs

    If this is not prohibited by law, then it is allowed, following the example of "work outside the place of punishment."
  25. Amper
    Amper 22 December 2022 21: 53
    0
    Dumb, still dumb, a lot of dumb and even dumber ... wassat It would be funny if it were not scary for the people ... how long will they endure? recourse Perhaps the instinct of self-preservation is stopped? what Do not confuse heroism with idiocy! stop
  26. Last centurion
    Last centurion 23 December 2022 12: 45
    0
    So if he can flood everything with napalm in the lowland? Or do we not keep this in the arsenal?
  27. AlexSmi1970
    AlexSmi1970 23 December 2022 18: 54
    0
    Ukrainians, according to them, have already cleared Bakhmut for 3 days.
  28. Anatoly Proskurin
    Anatoly Proskurin 23 December 2022 21: 08
    0
    fuck your mother!!!!!... Raise the librarians, let them look for the memoirs of Rokosovsky, Vasilevsky, and other bulls of breakthroughs and coverage. Raise the post-war training manuals at the Academy of the General Staff. In the generals, we have, as in our football, a manets !!! Some Arshavins and Anopkas, Dzyubs are dry jerks!
  29. Polar
    Polar 23 December 2022 21: 20
    0
    [quote = filibuster] [quote] prisoners are recruited in violation of any laws in Russia, they have no legal status [/ quote]

    There is no violation of the law. A prisoner can be pardoned, for example, by the President of the Russian Federation by his decree. The decree does not have to be public - moreover, it can be classified as secret. The personal files of prisoners are being studied to determine whether such a person is worthy of such a fate, based on the history of his offenses, and whether he will cope.